Early Look at the 2010 Draft for us.

[Bengals78]

Judging from what I have seen so far, depth is what we will need most.

I say our biggest needs will be:

1. Safety - Outside of Chinny there is no depth and Roy is old.
2. Corner - Beyond Hall and JJ we have no depth of solid backups.
3. Wide Receivers - Caldwell has shown promise but Simpson is yet to come around. We are gonna need to make some upgrades for the future.
4. OL - Guard needs some depth. I like the way we have played but Bobbie cant play forever.
5. Linebacker - Rey will soon enough be our MLB and we will need a SLB. Rivers has WLB down for as long as he wants and that leaves SLB open.

That said, my ideal draft: (I am not savvy on all juniors as many so it will be mostly seniors)

rd 1.
Reshad Jones S UGA

rd 2.
Eric Norwood OLB SC

rd 3.
Jacoby Ford WR Clemson

rd 4.
Mike Johnson OG Alabama

rd 5.
A.J. Jefferson CB Fresno St.

rd 6.
LeGarrette Blount RB Oregon (just seems like something we would do)

rd 7.
Rafael Priest CB TCU

[PalmerToCJ]

I'm not really sure how the needs are going to play out at this point. The only one I'm comfortable saying is a big need is OG. Bobbie Williams isn't getting any younger and we'll have to see what they do when Andre gets healthy.

[Bengals78]

I am pretty confident DB and OG will end up our biggest needs.
WR and LB will be secondary by the years end.

[themaninblack]

Yea I'd like to see a guard brought in but Evan Mathis has looked good filling in for Nate Livings thus far. I definitely would like to see a safety for the future to play opposite Chinny as well as a Corner at some point even though I do like David Jones. Morgan Trent could also end up being decent so we'll have to see I guess.

[Pat Sims 90]

I dont see a WR being a Need at all Caldwell is coming along we still have Henry i see us re-signing him and the verdict is still out on Simpson we have Crosby who is a good PR he could develop into a good WR and we still have Purify on PS he is a good blocking WR verdict is still out on him

[Bengalsrocket]

It's still early, but I think right now is the first time this decade we don't have huge and obvious glaring hole somewhere on either side of the ball that needs to be fixed immediately.

Dare I say kicker is our biggest need? I like Shayne a lot, but if he misses to many 35+ field goals again this year, we're going to need someone with a big boot.

[bengalbuck]

I would put the needs as this:

1. TE. I was never sold on Coffman and if he can't even sniff the active roster when his competition is Foschi and Coates, it doesn't bode well for his future. I don't think Utecht will ever play again. Should get one more year out of Reggie Kelly, but that's about it.

2. OL. I'll just leave it general because I don't know who is going to end up where. Is Whitworth a LT or should he go back to guard? Long term is Andre Smith the RT or LT? Most likely, we will just need a guard but potentially we could grab a LT and move Whit back to guard.

3. LB. I'd prefer a 3rd or 4th rounder who Zimmer and Fitzgerald can develop than using yet another early round pick on a guy, but Dhani is getting up there.

4. DB. There is a need for depth at both Safety and Corner but I like all 4 of the starters.

5. D Line. The recent injuries there are showing you can never have too many good players at the most injury prone position in football.

[Bengals78]

I think with Odom's season ender, we need to look at DE earlier now. I really like Michael Johnson's potential, but Odom was an anchor it seems and we need a guy like that.

Right now I would say our draft might be best suited as:

1. Everson Griffen DE USC - Stout and a solid pass rusher.
2. Michael Hoomanawanui TE Illinois - After these past 2 weeks, even when Coffman gets his chance, we need another guy.
3. Kam Chancellor S VT - Depth in the back field will be needed.
4. Javier Arenas CB Bama - Returner and solid corner who can be a good dime/nickle guy.
5. Al Woods DT LSU - Depth at DT. He was hyped up big but hasnt produced. Maybe he can still turn it around.
6. Brandon Carter OG TT - OL depth is needed and Carter has a lot of experience.
7. Mark Herzlich LB BC - Personally I just want this kid to get drafted. I wouldnt even care if he can never play again (God forbid) but he should still get drafted IMO.

[themaninblack]

I don't think it's time to throw Coffman under the bus just yet. I think he's going to be just fine but you have to be able to block in this league, which is something he's obviously not real familiar with.

[Bengals78]

I still think even with Coffman we are gonna need a second TE. Kelley is old, Utecht really REALLY likes the IR. Coats and Foschi have ball control and catching issues. I do not see it as our first immediate need but it is up there.

[hobbes2053]

I think with Odom's season ender, we need to look at DE earlier now. I really like Michael Johnson's potential, but Odom was an anchor it seems and we need a guy like that.

Right now I would say our draft might be best suited as:

1. Everson Griffen DE USC - Stout and a solid pass rusher.
2. Michael Hoomanawanui TE Illinois - After these past 2 weeks, even when Coffman gets his chance, we need another guy.
3. Kam Chancellor S VT - Depth in the back field will be needed.
4. Javier Arenas CB Bama - Returner and solid corner who can be a good dime/nickle guy.
5. Al Woods DT LSU - Depth at DT. He was hyped up big but hasnt produced. Maybe he can still turn it around.
6. Brandon Carter OG TT - OL depth is needed and Carter has a lot of experience.
7. Mark Herzlich LB BC - Personally I just want this kid to get drafted. I wouldnt even care if he can never play again (God forbid) but he should still get drafted IMO.

I like these. Especially Herzlich. Aside from his story, he is an animal.

[Bengals78]

I admit I dont know much about juniors in the draft so most of those are a rough outlines or just positions.

[Bengals78]

Of these options for first 4 rounds which one is the best for us? (Mostly Seniors any advice on underclassmen is cool)

Option 1

1. Sean Weatherspoon LB MIZZOU
2. Kam Chancellor S VT
3. Ed Dixon TE ORE
4. Javier Arenas CB BAMA

Option 2

1. Everson Griffen DE USC
2. Darryl Washington LB TCU
3. Justin Woodall S BAMA
4. John Jerry OG OLE MISS

Option 3

1. Rolando McClain LB BAMA
2. Jerry Hughes DE TCU
3. Justin Woodall S BAMA
4. Al Woods DT LSU

Option 4

1. Terrence Cody DT BAMA
2. Darryl Washington LB TCU
3. Ed Dixon TE ORE
4. Javier Arenas CB BAMA

[StripedWalrus]

Of these options for first 4 rounds which one is the best for us? (Mostly Seniors any advice on underclassmen is cool)

Option 1

1. Sean Weatherspoon LB MIZZOU
2. Kam Chancellor S VT
3. Ed Dixon TE ORE
4. Javier Arenas CB BAMA

Option 2

1. Everson Griffen DE USC
2. Darryl Washington LB TCU
3. Justin Woodall S BAMA
4. John Jerry OG OLE MISS

Option 3

1. Rolando McClain LB BAMA
2. Jerry Hughes DE TCU
3. Justin Woodall S BAMA
4. Al Woods DT LSU

Option 4

1. Terrence Cody DT BAMA
2. Darryl Washington LB TCU
3. Ed Dixon TE ORE
4. Javier Arenas CB BAMA

I just dont see us taking a LB in the first or second unless someone insane falls into our laps.

[Pat Sims 90]

I still think we need a DT we have a couple good ones but we dont have a dominate DT. A Dominate DT would really help are pass rush and clogging up the middle

TE is also a need even though we have Coffman who i still think he can be good. Kelly and Utect are FA and Coats and Foshi really are not starting material for TE.

DB is are biggest need we could use a Ballhawking Saftey Crocker and William are decent but they are not ballhawking. Could use a 3 CB if Joseph or Hall goes down. Trent has been decent this year but not starter worthly.

LB is a need but i am thinking OLB one that can cover the TE i see us most likely kick Rey Rey inside since Jones is a FA after the year. Someone like Witherspoon would be nice

DE could use another DE opposite of Odom Geathers is a little overrated i think he would be better fit as a situational Passrusher but i dont see us takeing one in the first round since we have so much money tied into DE with Geather and Odom

OL could always use depth but i think we are pretty deep at OT we could use another G but i dont think we take 1 with are first 2 picks in the 3rd round would be good.

If we take a DT TE DB LB or DE in the first round i will be fine with that. Terrence Cody is who i really like but i dont think we will have a chance to get him

[Bengals78]

I just dont see us taking a LB in the first or second unless someone insane falls into our laps.

I really think if McClain or Weatherspoon is there we might pull the trigger.
Or if it is an elite style pass rusher like a Jerry Hughes. We keep building this defense and with how young we are, we have massive staying power.

[PalmerToCJ]

I might be the only one but I'm pretty set on this.

I REALLY would be a fan of taking a RB in the 1st. I know Benson is playing great and carrying the load but there are two issues with this. We've got nothing if he gets hurt and we don't want him getting worn down.

The run game this year has made this team what it is. The defense is playing well and Carson has been clutch but what has killed us since '05 is the lack of a successful/steady run game.

Get a solid two headed monster going and we could just run it down teams throats.

Given how well Mathis has played, I'm cooling on the idea of having to take a OG in the first couple rounds. Could finally use a TE since they're actually using the TE for once.

DB depth in the 3rd-5th would be nice.

Could also use a LB. I really wish Brandon Johnson was a SLB.

WLB-Rivers MLB-Maualuga SLB-Johnson would be sick.

Pretty happy with the teams near future layout, don't have any absolutely glaring needs at the moment (save maybe needing a future LB with Dhani being gone eventually).

[themaninblack]

I think we could see that lineup with Rivers-Maualuga-Johnson or they could put Jeanty in there. Either way that's a hell of a group but I wouldn't mind adding someone in the mid to late rounds. I'd really like to see them take Eric Norwood but he'll probably be gone by the 2nd or 3rd.

Safety is probably going to be our biggest 'need' come draft time. I like Chinny and what he's capable of but Crocker and Roy are probably not the long term answer back there. I would absolutely love to see the team get Eric Berry but there are some others out there we could add as Berry figures to go early.

[FootballGod]

Our biggest needs in order are: Safety, DT, TE, CB, LB, OG.

Safety: Williams is 30+ years old and has now become injury prone. Crocker was picked up off the street and starts now. If Ndukwe can't start order one of these two then he is not starter caliber in the NFL.

DT: Tank Johnson is on a one year contract with no guarantee that he will re-sign. Peko is a for sure starter and Sims could fill in as a starter as well if Williams leaves. Zimmer likes to rotate his line in and out to keep them fresh so depth is a for sure issue if Johnson leaves.

TE: Let's face it, Coates and Foschi are not the answer. Coates has butterfingers and Foschi has a fumbling problem. Coffman has not gotten on the field yet because he can't block. Kelley might never play again and if he does it will be on a limited basis. I am not sure that Utecht will ever play football again and even if he does, he didn't show me anything when he did play. That is why we drafted Coffman in the first place. I would move this need down the list if Coffman can learn how to block before next season.

CB: Depth is a major issue. I do not want Trent on the field unless we are in a dime package. JJ and Hall are very good but spread formations and the West Coast offense have made it a priority to have three Cornerbacks that can be on the field at once. Nickel corner needs to be upgraded.

LB: I think that Maualuga is playing out of position right now. I want him to be our MLB once Jones becomes subpar, which I don't think he is quite yet. Johnson and Jeanty are quality back ups but I want either a starting MLB or SAM to upgrade this unit.

OG: Bobbi Williams is a quality veteran but he is getting a little long in the tooth. It would be sick if Shirley could use his natural talent to become a OG but he is still a project. Mathis has filled in adequately but he lacks the true behemoth size I like in an OG.

Let me know what you guys think. I am not filling in players from the upcoming draft to fill these spots because the college season is still young but I will be at a later date.

[Bengalsrocket]

BPA excluding QB in every slot. Aiming for a nickelback and quality guard at some point in the draft. We should bring in one of the many free agent RB's next year. A list of guys who could compliment Benson every 2-3 series would be:

Jerious Norwood - ATL

Willie Parker - PIT

Darren Sproles - SD

Chester Taylor - MIN

LenDale White - TEN

Kevin Faulk - NE

My only concern for bringing in another RB next year is what do we do with Leonard and Scott? They both have strengths that are valuable to this team, but the coaching staff doesn't believe in pulling Benson it seems. If we could get a little more out of Scott or Leonard I'd like to see us ignore the RB position for once in the last 7 - 9 years.

[Bengals78]

Darron Sproles would be a wet dream with Benson

[hobbes2053]

Darron Sproles would be a wet dream with Benson

While I completely agree, I think Scott could be somewhat like Sproles if he gets more time and can get used to the pro game. I would think that the coaches want to see what he can do, which is why he's ben getting a little bit more time lately.

[themaninblack]

Ya, I don't see the need for a RB right now at all. I'm really high on Scott and Leonard has been a fantastic pick up thus far.

[Bengalsrocket]

Ya, I don't see the need for a RB right now at all. I'm really high on Scott and Leonard has been a fantastic pick up thus far.

I'm really hoping the bye week will allow the coaches to figure out a way to use Scott more. We could probably handle any injury right now besides losing Benson (and obviously Palmer as we saw last year). If Scott can show us that he's able to carry the load, it would really allow us to rest Benson a little bit more.

I'm sure we all agree that Benson had to many carries in the Chicago game, even if it was all for revenge, it was still to much :P

[themaninblack]

Well, I think if we can get more consistent in the passing game, Scott will get more opportunities. We've been riding Ceddie pretty hard because of how successful the run game has been thus far.

[PalmerToCJ]

Leonard is a PERFECT 3rd RB. I absolutely would want to keep him on the roster.

The thing you have to look at is if Benson were to go down, do you really want Scott handling the full load?

The running game this year and in other years where our offense was productive has always been the key. If we could have a two headed RB setup it would take load of each of the RB's while providing insurance in the event one was hurt. It would really put my heart at ease if we had another RB lol. Not to mention this team needs to run first to set up the pass, then the offense becomes nasty.

[hobbes2053]

I have a feeling that they are trying to get Scott going in the run game so Benson can stay healthy and not get overworked. If we can get a Benson / Scott duo going, we could be super deadly.

[PalmerToCJ]

Scott is just determined for the Bengals to take a DT in the 1st round... Still isn't going to happen I don't think.

[Bengals78]

Scott is just determined for the Bengals to take a DT in the 1st round... Still isn't going to happen I don't think.

Pretty much. And I dont see why we would as Peko and Sims have been playing very very well lately.

[crites09]

I think we will take a OG or a Safety.

Mike Iupati or Earl Thomas

[Bengals78]

1. Earl Thomas S Texas - Provides what could be a true playmaker at the safety spot. Ndukwe and Crocker are both good but could be upgraded.

2. Toby Gerhart RB Stanford - The Oakland loss proved that we need someone who can pound the rock when Benson needs out. Gerhart provides the grit and toughness of Benson and is more explosive than Leonard.

3. Javier Arenas CB Alabama - Morgan Trent really let me down this week. Arenas is a good CB in coverage, who is also a stud return man. Allows us to use Scott in the run game more and reduces his injury chances.

4. Jimmy Graham TE Miami FL - Huge target who has shown upside at the U. Dear lord our TE needs any and all depth and help.

5. Brandon Deaderick DT Alabama - Has shown the ability to collapse pockets and be very solid pro.

6. Roddrick Muckelroy OLB Texas - We are gonna need depth at LB. IMO Brandon Johnson is our only real back up. Hodge and Jeanty are both big ? to me.

7. O'Brien Schofield DE Wisconsin - Depth at DE never hurts. I have a ton of faith in Michael Johnson to become the future pass rush expert we have wanted.

[Bengalsrocket]

I love Gerhart in the 2nd for us. In fact, I like all of your picks.

This up coming draft is going to be about depth mostly, for the first time since Marvin has been here, we don't need 3-4 rookies to step in and start making an immediate impact.

As much as I love Mauluaga, Huber, Scott & all the other rookies that have had situational time, I'm always afraid one of them is going to make a huge rookie mistake (hasn't really been the case thus far though). Next year, I could see us only starting a rookie safety if we drafted one. Every other position should be locked up.

[Bengals78]

I think getting a playmaker safety should be a big time goal for us.
Gerhart would be a perfect back to spell Benson

[bengalbuck]

1. Earl Thomas S Texas - Provides what could be a true playmaker at the safety spot. Ndukwe and Crocker are both good but could be upgraded.

2. Toby Gerhart RB Stanford - The Oakland loss proved that we need someone who can pound the rock when Benson needs out. Gerhart provides the grit and toughness of Benson and is more explosive than Leonard.

3. Javier Arenas CB Alabama - Morgan Trent really let me down this week. Arenas is a good CB in coverage, who is also a stud return man. Allows us to use Scott in the run game more and reduces his injury chances.

4. Jimmy Graham TE Miami FL - Huge target who has shown upside at the U. Dear lord our TE needs any and all depth and help.

5. Brandon Deaderick DT Alabama - Has shown the ability to collapse pockets and be very solid pro.

6. Roddrick Muckelroy OLB Texas - We are gonna need depth at LB. IMO Brandon Johnson is our only real back up. Hodge and Jeanty are both big ? to me.

7. O'Brien Schofield DE Wisconsin - Depth at DE never hurts. I have a ton of faith in Michael Johnson to become the future pass rush expert we have wanted.

I like this draft except Gerhardt. Not a need or a fit in my opinion.

[crites09]

You should have addressed the OL in the draft somewhere... possibly round 2

[themaninblack]

I would love to get Georgia safety Reshad Jones in this draft

[Bengals78]

I would love to get Georgia safety Reshad Jones in this draft

It would depend on when we get him. If Earl Thomas comes out and is available, we pull the trigger.

[Bengals78]

Updated to address some concerns in it

1. Earl Thomas S Texas - Provides what could be a true playmaker at the safety spot. Ndukwe and Crocker are both good but could be upgraded.

2. Javier Arenas CB Alabama - I hate to take a CB this early, but Arenas is a special kind of player who is very valuable to defense and more valuable to ST. Allows us to use Scott in the run game more and reduces his injury chances.

3. John Jerry OG Ole Miss - Big mauler who can man RG for us when we lose Bobbie in FA (im guessing) Imagine him and Andre on the right side for Benson. Now go take a cold shower.

4. Jimmy Graham TE Miami FL - Huge target who has shown upside at the U. Dear lord our TE needs any and all depth and help.

5. Brandon Deaderick DT Alabama - Has shown the ability to collapse pockets and be very solid pro.

6. Roddrick Muckelroy OLB Texas - We are gonna need depth at LB. IMO Brandon Johnson is our only real back up. Hodge and Jeanty are both big ? to me.

7. O'Brien Schofield DE Wisconsin - Depth at DE never hurts. I have a ton of faith in Michael Johnson to become the future pass rush expert we have wanted.

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Alternate picks:

Round 1 - Jermaine Gresham TE, Jerry Hughes DE
Round 2 - Tyson Alualu DT, Reshad Jones S, Daryl Washington OLB
Round 3 - Sergio Render OG, Kyle Wilson CB

[Bengals78]

If we had a shot at trading for a top 5 pick and shot at either Berry or Suh, would you guys do it?

Figure in what it would take, and is it worth it for one of them.

[Pat Sims 90]

If we had a shot at trading for a top 5 pick and shot at either Berry or Suh, would you guys do it?

Figure in what it would take, and is it worth it for one of them.

In a heartbeat both Berry and Suh are game changers but we would have to give up a lot to go up that far but i would Kiss Mike Brown if we traded up and got Eric Berry

[hobbes2053]

In a heartbeat both Berry and Suh are game changers but we would have to give up a lot to go up that far but i would Kiss Mike Brown if we traded up and got Eric Berry

As sweet as that would be, it's never going to happen because Mike Brown is a tight ass and won't spend what it takes to jump draft spots... especially in the first round.

[Pat Sims 90]

As sweet as that would be, it's never going to happen because Mike Brown is a tight ass and won't spend what it takes to jump draft spots... especially in the first round.

Yea i know it wont happen i am just saying if it did happen it would be awesome. We most likely will trade back possiably into the 2nd round

[Bengals78]

Just go ahead Mike, trade for Suh PLEEEEEAAAASSSEEEE

[bengalbuck]

I wouldn't want to trade up in the first this year. This is the deepest draft in a really long time. There are going to be a ton of guys declaring early b/c of the collective bargaining negotiations.

The Bengals should get 2 great comp picks with TJ and Stacy Andrews each garnering either 3rd or 4th rounders. Those picks can't be traded, but they would allow us to be aggressive with our other picks.

I think the team has done a good job of building depth and there's no way 8 or 10 rookies can make the team. I'd love to see a bunch of small moves to move up in the middle rounds. Like packaging a 4th and 5th to get a 3rd.

I also don't see many really glaring holes anywhere on the team so I think for once the old BPA approach actually could work.

[bengalbuck]

I'll take a quick stab at a mock draft:

1. Jermaine Gresham, TE- I've never been high on Coffman and it's obvious Carson needs more weapons with the passing game struggling a bit. Palmer's in his prime and you can't waste him.

2. Javier Arenas, CB- I like this guy and we need to keep the depth at CB strong b/c our whole D scheme only works with great CBs. Joseph has been injury prone and both he and Hall will be FAs soon. I like Mich CB Donovan Warren a lot also and we've had success getting their underachieving DBs coached up.

3. Dexter McCluster, WR- Again, I think we need to keep getting Carson weapons and a fast run after the catch guy would be nice. I could also see going after a bigger WR like Danario Alexander or the guy from GT as a possibility.

3. (Comp) Jermale Hines, S- There are a lot of safeties I like. Kurt Coleman, Chad Jones, Reshad Jones. I think Hines is a guy who will declare early and fly up draft boards though. Great size and speed, big hitter, real solid in coverage and a good character guy as well.

4. OG- It's hard to intelligently discuss mid draft interior linemen so I'll just name the position. USC has a couple guys (Byers and O'Dowd). Alabama (Johnson). Mississippi (Jerry). Florida (Pouncey twins). I don't know enough to differentiate, but this is about the time for a guard.

4. Comp LB- LB Coach Fitzgerald had a lot of success at B'more taking raw athletes in the mid rounds and turning them into stud LBers (Bart Scott, Adalius Thomas, Jarrett Johnson, Antwan Barnes, etc.). I'd like to see him grab a guy, possibly a small schooler, with great pass rush potential.

5. Another safety

6. A DT

7. A DE


Something like this would help the offense (currently #21) get back on track passing the ball and back to being a top 10 or 15 unit with a great TE and another young weapon at WR (Chad and Laverneus will be 32 next year).

On D, it would give us a ton of young, talented depth at DB. CB is absolutely crucial to the scheme. If we keep a deep stable of CBs who can cover man to man, it allows Zimmer to dial up all kinds of run and pass blitzes. As we've seen this year, we can get by up front even when missing some star guys at DL (Odom, Peko for some games) and LB (Johnson looked great filling in for Rivers).

[Bengals78]

I wouldn't want to trade up in the first this year. This is the deepest draft in a really long time. There are going to be a ton of guys declaring early b/c of the collective bargaining negotiations.

The Bengals should get 2 great comp picks with TJ and Stacy Andrews each garnering either 3rd or 4th rounders. Those picks can't be traded, but they would allow us to be aggressive with our other picks.

I think the team has done a good job of building depth and there's no way 8 or 10 rookies can make the team. I'd love to see a bunch of small moves to move up in the middle rounds. Like packaging a 4th and 5th to get a 3rd.

I also don't see many really glaring holes anywhere on the team so I think for once the old BPA approach actually could work.

To say this draft is deep enough that if someone was willing to trade with us so we could pick Suh is wrong. Suh could be the best DT prospect since Sapp. He honest to God reminds me of Reggie White. Just sheer dominance.

[bengalbuck]

To say this draft is deep enough that if someone was willing to trade with us so we could pick Suh is wrong. Suh could be the best DT prospect since Sapp. He honest to God reminds me of Reggie White. Just sheer dominance.

To trade up from the late 20s to the top 3 would take almost our entire draft and probably some future picks also. I wouldn't do it. I'd rather load up with 6 picks in the top 4 rounds of the best draft in a decade and keep our first rounder next season also.

I just think our defense needs a bunch of solid players that play together as a team as opposed to giving up all hopes of having depth going forward just so we can pay one guy 8 million dollars a year. Plus, if you look at it, we really need to add some offensive guys as well. The depth of the draft means that you don't have to draft in the top 3 to get an All Pro and that we'll have a great opportunity to get a star even drafting late first.

[Pat Sims 90]

Anybody else think we should draft a QB that we can groom to be a backup and possiable starter after Carson is done? We know what happens when we lose Carson

[Bengals78]

Ehh, if you mean another Jeff Rowe (5th rounder) then yes I might be ok with it.

[themaninblack]

Unless they absolutely fall in love with someone in the later rounds then I don't really see the need. Carsons probably got a good 5 years left in him.

[bengalbuck]

Anybody else think we should draft a QB that we can groom to be a backup and possiable starter after Carson is done? We know what happens when we lose Carson

This would be the year to do it. With 2 or 3 comp picks, we have 9 or 10 picks and there's no way that many guys will make the roster. So it might make sense to draft a guy late. But more as a backup, not future starter.

Carson just turned 30 and is under contract forever. I wouldn't worry about finding his replacement for another 3 or 4 years. Maybe in 2013 use a 2nd rounder and let that guy learn under CP for 2 or 3 years...

[Bengals78]

The more I hear Mardy Gilyard talk the more I wouldnt mind spending a pick on him. He could be a future #1 guy according to some. He seems to really like the city. Would be nice to keep him in Cincy

[crites09]

instead of the idea of drafting Suh Terrence Cody might be there when we pick and then we could have an amazing DT trio in Sims Peko and Cody... that would be nightmare.. Imagine all three of them in on running downs... and I could not agree more with Mardy Gilyard, all the guy does is make plays. We could land him in round 2 though

[Pat Sims 90]

instead of the idea of drafting Suh Terrence Cody might be there when we pick and then we could have an amazing DT trio in Sims Peko and Cody... that would be nightmare.. Imagine all three of them in on running downs... and I could not agree more with Mardy Gilyard, all the guy does is make plays. We could land him in round 2 though

We have too many needs on the offense side of the ball to take a luxary pick in the 1st round

[Bengals78]

Cody would be a bad pick for us. He doesnt exactly fit in our system. He is a NT through and through. I think he would be wasted here.

[lost33cause]

I think the WR position is looking to be a major need ATM with Henry out. The Simpson experiment looks to be a failure. Caldwell looks to be a situation player. Coles looks to be a good run blocker at best.

Besides the WR from Cincy who else would fit what we want to do that would be available for us late in the 1st or 2nd round?

[Bengals78]

Outside shot at Golden Tate if he works out bad.
I would personally wait til later (3-5) look at guys like Decker, Shipley and Cooper who can succeed in the slot really well. I think Caldwell will become a good number 2 guy in time. He is still green.
Jacoby Ford from Clemson is another guy who could be a later round guy to look at.

[Bengalsrocket]

Everyone knew Simpson was going to be a 3 year project. Giving up on him now would be this decade's biggest draft mistake. He was probably the furthest WR in that draft class from "pro ready" and we knew that. His potential is off the chart though, and that's why we pulled the trigger in the 2nd round.

Anyways, I'd love to see us pick up Gilyard, but it's definitely a luxury pick. Right now we have 4 WR's that we trust, 2 project receivers and a young returner that could fall into the project category.

It'd be just plain silly to bump either Chad, Coles, Henry or Caldwell for Gilyard at this point. And with the love that Marvin gives Purify, and the potential that Simpson has, and Cosby being an above average returner it would seem there just isn't much room for Gilyard at the moment.

The only way I'd want him on the team is if we dropped Coles (which I'm fine with at this point).

[crites09]

We have too many needs on the offense side of the ball to take a luxary pick in the 1st round

I agree. I want us to take a safety or a Oline in round 1, but if nothing is there then we can look to area's which we can improve.

Cody would be a bad pick for us. He doesnt exactly fit in our system. He is a NT through and through. I think he would be wasted here.

I know he doesn't fit the 4-3 scheme very well, but it could work. I think its in the air if we resign Tank Johnson at this moment. They will evaluate Clinton Mcdonald before the draft to see if they need to draft another one. I just think having him on the line would help our DE's generate a lot more pressure and we wouldn't need to blitz as much with LB's or Safetys. Our line could be similar to the Vikings DL which pretty much just dominated us.

Outside shot at Golden Tate if he works out bad.
I would personally wait til later (3-5) look at guys like Decker, Shipley and Cooper who can succeed in the slot really well. I think Caldwell will become a good number 2 guy in time. He is still green.
Jacoby Ford from Clemson is another guy who could be a later round guy to look at.

Golden Tate would be huge for us. True playmaker and if all the underclassmen come out at WR he will be there when we pick. I wouldn't mind cutting our losses with Coles if we draft a receiver in round 1 or 2.

[Bengals78]

1. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma - We really need to upgrade TE now more than ever. Coats is horrid and forces Carson to make bad throws to the guys who can actually catch. He has no safety net.

2. Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati - I hate to say it but we really need a WR now. We need to stretch the field again. Gilyard could help that a lot.

3. Best available safety (Woodall? Coleman?)

3 (comp). John Jerry OG Ole Miss - Big mauler who can man RG for us when we lose Bobbie in FA (im guessing) Imagine him and Andre on the right side for Benson. Now go take a cold shower.

4. Walter McFadden CB Auburn - Provides much needed depth at CB. We lack a true nickle guy. Trent is ok but has shown a lot to be desired.

5. Brandon Deaderick DE Alabama - Played DE this year at Bama. Bringing him in allows us to use him inside like we do Rucker.

6. OL depth

7. DB depth

[Pat Sims 90]

1. Jermaine Gresham TE Oklahoma - We really need to upgrade TE now more than ever. Coats is horrid and forces Carson to make bad throws to the guys who can actually catch. He has no safety net.

2. Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati - I hate to say it but we really need a WR now. We need to stretch the field again. Gilyard could help that a lot.

3. Best available safety (Woodall? Coleman?)

3 (comp). John Jerry OG Ole Miss - Big mauler who can man RG for us when we lose Bobbie in FA (im guessing) Imagine him and Andre on the right side for Benson. Now go take a cold shower.

4. Walter McFadden CB Auburn - Provides much needed depth at CB. We lack a true nickle guy. Trent is ok but has shown a lot to be desired.

5. Brandon Deaderick DE Alabama - Played DE this year at Bama. Bringing him in allows us to use him inside like we do Rucker.

6. OL depth

7. DB depth

Would like to see us get a LT we need a new one Whitworth has been terriable the last 6 games. I also think we might need to draft another WR Simpson has a chance now if he shows up then we only need 1 WR.

[Bengalsrocket]

Like I said earlier, Simpson was a project and everyone should have known he was going to take awhile.

Also, I don't know why people think Simpson is going to get a chance to prove something now. He's only practiced 1 WR position, the X spot, and that is Chad's spot lol. He's been practicing with the 2nd team all year and probably has zero timing down with Palmer right now. Simpson still has a good shot at being something, we just won't know till next year.

I'm still all for drafting Gilyard, but we need to release Coles if we do. I would be pretty happy with Chad / Gilyard / Caldwell / Simpson as our top 4. Purify as the 5th and Quan as the returner / 6th (if we draft Gilyard, we might use him as a returner his first year, which means no room for Quan though).

[Pat Sims 90]

Like I said earlier, Simpson was a project and everyone should have known he was going to take awhile.

Also, I don't know why people think Simpson is going to get a chance to prove something now. He's only practiced 1 WR position, the X spot, and that is Chad's spot lol. He's been practicing with the 2nd team all year and probably has zero timing down with Palmer right now. Simpson still has a good shot at being something, we just won't know till next year.

I'm still all for drafting Gilyard, but we need to release Coles if we do. I would be pretty happy with Chad / Gilyard / Caldwell / Simpson as our top 4. Purify as the 5th and Quan as the returner / 6th (if we draft Gilyard, we might use him as a returner his first year, which means no room for Quan though).

He will most likely be the 4th WR Sunday that is y i said he has a chance. Purify is gone now and Crosby and Simpson most likely will be shareing time at 4th WR. Really would like to see them open the passing game up this week but it wont happen because Brat will just run the ball we could be down by 30points and he would still run it everytime. This would be the week San Diego Secondary is not very good.

[Bengals78]

Would like to see us get a LT we need a new one Whitworth has been terriable the last 6 games. I also think we might need to draft another WR Simpson has a chance now if he shows up then we only need 1 WR.

I dont know if I would call Whit terrible. Did he give up any sacks to Allen?

[Pat Sims 90]

I dont know if I would call Whit terrible. Did he give up any sacks to Allen?

He did not give up a sack but there was not a time that Allen was not in the backfield on a passing play Whit is much better a LG he does not have the penalitys at LG like he has at LT either

[Bengals78]

Round 1: Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati

Our pass offense is anemic. We have no deep threat. While personally I like Caldwell as a #2 possession WR in the future, we have no one to replace Ocho, or play slot to stretch the field. Gilyard could really work well as a slot guy and soon take over for Chad as a #1 target.

Round 2: Vladimir Ducasse OL Massachusetts

We need some help getting that push up front. Ducasse is a huge rising prospect and he could really turn into something special. Massive man who could play OT or OG at the next level. Maybe even LT and allow us to move Big Whit back to LG where I think he is Pro Bowl caliber.

Round 3: Robert Johnson FS Utah

Johnson has been a playmaker for the Utes and could be a steal here. With Zimmer's emergence as a big time DC, I think defensive needs could honestly take a backseat to offense. He can work magic it seems.

Round 4: Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky

Rey seems comfortable at SLB and Johnson is a very good prospect but has been injured. Could work well under Zimmer. Great size; 6-2, 258. Gives us a chance for a nasty LB core.

Round 5: Prince Miller CB Georgia

A great college corner who fits best a dime - nickle guy in the pros. Right where we need a lot of help in the secondary.

Round 6: Jeff Owens DT Georgia

Once a highly touted prospect, Owens suffered a horrible knee injury but returned and has played well. Probably selected sooner, could just as easily fall.

Round 7: BPA


Notes:
No TE? Yeah I know. But with spending a 3rd on Coffman last year as much as I would like to draft one, this class is weak outside Gresham. I say give Foschi and Coffman another year, and hope local boy Kyle Rudolph declares.

Waiting for a safety? Yes. As stated, I think Zimmer can do a lot with the guys "no one wants." We have 3 first round defensive players, Hall JJ and Rivers. A second in Maualuga, 3rd in MJ and Sims, 4th in Peko. I think we can be fine using mid-round, high upside guys to fill the voids. Especially with Zimmer now. He should be HC soon IMO.

Offensive Line that early? I dont think there will be a true LT available at our pick in round 2 I really like but I think Vlad might be and I really like what I hear about him. If he could hold up at OT we could move Whit back in and really have a stellar line.

[bengalbuck]

Round 1: Mardy Gilyard WR Cincinnati

Our pass offense is anemic. We have no deep threat. While personally I like Caldwell as a #2 possession WR in the future, we have no one to replace Ocho, or play slot to stretch the field. Gilyard could really work well as a slot guy and soon take over for Chad as a #1 target.

Round 2: Vladimir Ducasse OL Massachusetts

We need some help getting that push up front. Ducasse is a huge rising prospect and he could really turn into something special. Massive man who could play OT or OG at the next level. Maybe even LT and allow us to move Big Whit back to LG where I think he is Pro Bowl caliber.

Round 3: Robert Johnson FS Utah

Johnson has been a playmaker for the Utes and could be a steal here. With Zimmer's emergence as a big time DC, I think defensive needs could honestly take a backseat to offense. He can work magic it seems.

Round 4: Micah Johnson ILB Kentucky

Rey seems comfortable at SLB and Johnson is a very good prospect but has been injured. Could work well under Zimmer. Great size; 6-2, 258. Gives us a chance for a nasty LB core.

Round 5: Prince Miller CB Georgia

A great college corner who fits best a dime - nickle guy in the pros. Right where we need a lot of help in the secondary.

Round 6: Jeff Owens DT Georgia

Once a highly touted prospect, Owens suffered a horrible knee injury but returned and has played well. Probably selected sooner, could just as easily fall.

Round 7: BPA


Notes:
No TE? Yeah I know. But with spending a 3rd on Coffman last year as much as I would like to draft one, this class is weak outside Gresham. I say give Foschi and Coffman another year, and hope local boy Kyle Rudolph declares.

Waiting for a safety? Yes. As stated, I think Zimmer can do a lot with the guys "no one wants." We have 3 first round defensive players, Hall JJ and Rivers. A second in Maualuga, 3rd in MJ and Sims, 4th in Peko. I think we can be fine using mid-round, high upside guys to fill the voids. Especially with Zimmer now. He should be HC soon IMO.

Offensive Line that early? I dont think there will be a true LT available at our pick in round 2 I really like but I think Vlad might be and I really like what I hear about him. If he could hold up at OT we could move Whit back in and really have a stellar line.

I liked your draft a couple weeks ago better. I agree that Gresham is far and away the cream of the crop and think the Bengals almost have to take him if he is available in the 1st. With the improved running game and defense, the pass offense can afford to do more play action and high % stuff so the TE takes on added importance.

I also think that this is a really deep WR draft and that any of the top 8 or 10 guys would be a big addition and that we can get one of those guys easily in the 2nd round.

It's also a good, deep draft for OGs and I wouldn't feel the need to grab Iupati or Duchasse early. Those guys are good but I don't see a huge drop to one of the Pouncey twins or Mike Johnson or a guy like that in the 3rd. Also think the 3rd (TJ comp pick) is a great spot to grab a S.

My first 4 picks would probably look like this:

1. Gresham
2. Danario Alexander (badly need a bigger WR) along with Gresham, would solve a lot of the current red zone struggles.
3. Kurt Coleman- Love this guy at FS.
3b. Mike Pouncey- Experienced and talented G.
4a. CB
4b. Another S

Overall, something like this would provide a big boost to the offense with a couple big red zone playmakers and a long term solution for next to Andre Smith at RG. Getting some young weapons on O for Carson has to be priority #1 at this point and that's why I'd use the top 2 picks on TE and WR. On D, it would add 3 mid-rounders to a secondary that is lacking in depth, especially at S. You'd have a great young core with Hall, Joseph, Trent, Ndukwe plus these 3 guys.

Unfortunately, the one thing it doesn't address at all is the front 7 on D. You can't address everything and I think DL and LB are the deepest position groups on the team. They've played well and all are expected back next year (Tank is a FA). Plus, Peko and Odom will be back from injury. Guys like MJ, Fanene, Brandon Johnson and Jeanty have all shown well off the bench so the depth is already solid.

[Bengals78]

Im not a big fan of Coleman. I had a friend who is a buckeye nut show me some games with him and im not impressed that much. If were a 4th rounder then maybe. My safety ranks go:
1. Eric Berry
2. Taylor Mays
3. Nate Allen
4. Robert Johnson
Just those who have declared/seniors.

[Aftermath]

We need a Housh for Carson.

I really want Damian Williams and his supreme route running and hands in round 1.

[AkiliSmith]

Every mock I've seen has us taking Gresham. I just don't see that possible with Coffman on the roster. Two non blocking tight ends? Doesn't fit in with Brat's philosophy.

[hobbes2053]

We need a Housh for Carson.

I really want Damian Williams and his supreme route running and hands in round 1.

A friend of mine brought up the idea of getting Williams and I think it's an excellent idea. He would be the perfect student to learn under Chad and could turn out to be a stellar pro WR.

[ThePudge]

Every mock I've seen has us taking Gresham. I just don't see that possible with Coffman on the roster. Two non blocking tight ends? Doesn't fit in with Brat's philosophy.

Gresham's a significant talent to be had in the late first round. Had he played this year, he'd likely be among my Top 10 players overall. He's one of the best TE prospects I've seen and he gets it done on the field. He'll be able to block a bit better from the get-go than Coffman and is more of a threat down the field. I'd love to get Jermaine in the late first.

[Bengals78]

Gresham's a significant talent to be had in the late first round. Had he played this year, he'd likely be among my Top 10 players overall. He's one of the best TE prospects I've seen and he gets it done on the field. He'll be able to block a bit better from the get-go than Coffman and is more of a threat down the field. I'd love to get Jermaine in the late first.

I think we all would love to get him. But WILL we? Different question.

[Bengalsrocket]

We need a Housh for Carson.


I've been thinking about our receivers all year long because of how poorly our passing offense has been. And I think the biggest problem we have is that we're to short.

Housh was 6'2, that's not exactly the tallest receiver ever, but he played tall. He would extend and reach unlike any of our current receivers. Chris Henry was 6'4 and super fast. He could get down field and win a lot of jump balls.

Caldwell / Coles / Ochocinco are all 6'0 or under, and none of them extend for the ball really well.

This became extremely evident to me when we played San Diego. Rivers didn't need great accuracy to beat us, he basically laid the ball up and knew either Floyd, Gates or Jackson were going to come down with it.

Palmer would make great use of a guy who is either extremely tall or can play as if they're tall. We need a Houshmandzadeh or a Chris Henry on our roster next year.

[PalmerToCJ]

Every mock I've seen has us taking Gresham. I just don't see that possible with Coffman on the roster. Two non blocking tight ends? Doesn't fit in with Brat's philosophy.

If we're lucky Brat's philosophy won't matter around here next year but I do agree.

I also definitely agree on the getting a bigger WR. That was kind of the role Henry was going to fill in my eyes. It'd be nice to get a big body in there, my only problem is I just don't see drafting one and getting an immediate impact.

If you do that, you're giving up on Simpson. At 6'2 with those long arms he could be that guy. We (myself definitely included) have to remember the guy is a 2nd year player who was definitely on the developmental side of things. You'd have to think he gets an opportunity next year.

Cosby has been a pleasant surprise as well. I really think WR should be addressed in FA. With that said, we also need a replacement for Chad, I don't have high hopes of him hanging around after his contract is up. It can be argued either way really. I don't see a glaring 1st round type need at this point like OL and CB has been in years past.

We're good at DT, DE, CB, OT, QB. We gotta remember the short shelf life of RB's, seems like just yesterday Rudi was tearing things up. I'm not saying Benson will be done after this year but he just turned 27 and it's nice to have a backup.

OG is a need (Williams isn't getting younger) but not a 1st rounder. Rey will take over MLB when Dhani leaves I assume so SLB will get addressed.

Safety is tricky, I definitely think Chinny is a starter and I'm happy with Crocker/Roy going into next year but once again they're older and both are currently hurt anyway.

Marvin has absolutely proven he doesn't like to go TE, S or DT early in drafts. CB, RB, WR, OL and LB are his big ones.

By position since Marvin took over here is how frequently he addressed each position in the first 3 rounds.

QB - 1
RB - 2
WR - 4
TE - 1
OT - 2
OG - 1
DE - 2
DT - 1
LB - 7 (includes Ahmad Brooks)
CB - 3
S - 1

A good TE would do this team a lot of good since they're finally using a TE. Coffman could be that guy, hard for us to say at this point. Granted, it's definitely discouraging that he can't get his way on the field yet.

I wouldn't be shocked with a WR or RB early.

It kills me EVERY YEAR people mock DT/TE's to the Bengals and EVERY YEAR it doesn't happen. They're still doing it this year. I could actually see TE being addressed in the 2nd this year, with the current configuration it absolutely must be a guy that can block.

Then again, I hope Brat is gone after this year so a new philosophy could completely change everything.

Wow that was long winded.

[SC Igniter]

Agree that moving on from brat would be the best move we can make this off season, however, this probably wont happen due to our success this year. One can only hope. Serious consideration should be given to extending/renegotiate Chad's contract for 3 years or so, it was interesting the comment from Chad during hard knocks that mike Brown said he would never leave Cinti. Wonder our true this was? Chad's identity is linked to the Bengals, cant imagine him playing for anyone else.

Haven't commented much on the draft yet. My gut is thinking offense heavy. Watched the Wisconsin game last night and came away impressed with Graham from the badgers. Like to see us get play makers in the early rounds as it is obvious to everyone except brat that we need to score more TD's. Spiller fits this, been watching him for 4 years at Clemson and he is a scoring machine (20 TD's this season). We would need to move up the board to get him, I know that this doesn't answer our current needs but would be an immediate kick start to our kick return and running game getting more TD's.

[Clarkpba]

Well everyone i've been a fan of this forum for along time and just finally decided to make a name for myself and add a bit to the conversation.

As for the draft what I see us really needing to focus on is safety and tight end. Those positions are really weak on the team right now. As for the reciever core we could use a deep threat but i really think a big part of the problem with going deep isn't so much the WR's but Palmer and his arm. I know he and everyone around him says he's healthy but if you really watch him this year and look back at him a few years ago you'll notice a huge difference in arm strength and his ability to make throws. I wouldn't rule out picking up a QB in the draft early in the next couple years. I know this isn't popular but take a step back and strip away the team pride and look at it from an outsiders point of view.

[Bengalsrocket]

I really disagree, I think Palmer's arm is fine. The problem is our receivers.

When T.J. left everyone said he was a product of Chad's double teams and Palmer at QB and he would never do anything that warranted his current contract. Now maybe that's true, but he is an individual with a skill set that our offense is severely lacking now: a hard nosed receiver who plays big and has soft hands. Maybe he wasn't the fastest guy ever, but when someone is able to catch everything thrown his way you can design routes that don't rely on speed.

A tight end can fill this role for us (Tony Gonzalez has been doing this for 13 seasons, as well as many other TEs). But just because a TE can do it, doesn't mean we need a TE to do it. One thing you sacrifice when you rely on a TE to be your reliable receiver is a nice big run blocking TE to help with runs to the outside.

I think our first round pick absolutely has to be spent on Gresham (if he's available) or we need to look at a big receiver in the 2-4 round range.

Also I'm going to say it now, I'd rather not draft another RB. Marvin doesn't like keeping more than 3 on the roster (it became even more apparent with hard knocks this year) and I like Benson / Scott / Leonard to much to give one up for any of the RBs we could realistically obtain in this year's draft.

Edit: Also, welcome to the posting part of the forums Clarkpba, most of the Bengals fans will +rep you around here if you care about it. Also, you can go the NFL section of the forums and find a way to say Brian Leonard is awesome and Scotty will give you like 2,000 rep or something ridiculous.

[Clarkpba]

Leonard is a really great situation back. I love his toughness above everything else. I do agree we have some hard hands on the recieving core that we have right now. I'm not saying we shouldn't address the WR spot during the draft, but i think it can wait a few rounds.

I also agree if Gresham is there and the bengals pass on him they are making a huge mistake. He is by far the top TE prospect in the draft this year. Its actually nice to only have a few spots of need and be able to draft for solid depth for a change.

And back to the Palmer thing i do think he is still a top notch QB but he has lost something. Its either his arm or he to skidish and worried about getting hurt again. The fact is he isn't right. I only mentioned his arm due to the way he has thrown the deep ball. he doesn't have that zip on it like he used too. I almost compare it to the way Blake used to throw it. Its got alot of air under it instead of being crisp and firm. One thing is for sure he has been a victim of way to many drops this year. There isn't a WR on the team that can hide from that fact. Coles has to be the biggest dissapointment on the team this year. For a guy who was supposed to come in and be a solid slot guy he has sure fell short on that. I think the only reason he doesn't catch as much flack for drops as TO or Edwards is his drops aren't on deep balls. that and he doesn't run his mouth.

[Pat Sims 90]

Leonard is a really great situation back. I love his toughness above everything else. I do agree we have some hard hands on the recieving core that we have right now. I'm not saying we shouldn't address the WR spot during the draft, but i think it can wait a few rounds.

I also agree if Gresham is there and the bengals pass on him they are making a huge mistake. He is by far the top TE prospect in the draft this year. Its actually nice to only have a few spots of need and be able to draft for solid depth for a change.

And back to the Palmer thing i do think he is still a top notch QB but he has lost something. Its either his arm or he to skidish and worried about getting hurt again. The fact is he isn't right. I only mentioned his arm due to the way he has thrown the deep ball. he doesn't have that zip on it like he used too. I almost compare it to the way Blake used to throw it. Its got alot of air under it instead of being crisp and firm. One thing is for sure he has been a victim of way to many drops this year. There isn't a WR on the team that can hide from that fact. Coles has to be the biggest dissapointment on the team this year. For a guy who was supposed to come in and be a solid slot guy he has sure fell short on that. I think the only reason he doesn't catch as much flack for drops as TO or Edwards is his drops aren't on deep balls. that and he doesn't run his mouth.

If a true LT is there and Gresham i would go with LT at that point never been a fan of Whitworth at LT he gets beat by the speed guys all the time Plus we can move Whitworth back to his true postion at LG

[J24]

What do you guys think of Marcus Easley from connecticut with his size 6-2(216) and with his 4-4 speed is he a guy we should consider drafting?

[Pat Sims 90]

What do you guys think of Marcus Easley from connecticut with his size 6-2(216) and with his 4-4 speed is he a guy we should consider drafting?

I really dont care who we draft as long as we draft a New K and and New QB

[Bengals78]

I really dont care who we draft as long as we draft a New K and and New QB

A new kicker yes. A new QB? There isn't a QB in recent drafts I would take over Palmer period. And even then, Id still pick Carson.
He has no one to throw to. The system we use sucks at developing receivers since Hue left. We need WR and TE.

[Clarkpba]

Palmer has a great idea of what it takes to be a QB but he is hurt. His arm is in bad shape and he knows it. Thats why he is short-arming his throws and over throwing everyone. I wouldn't be upset if the bengals picked up a QB in the draft if it was a good value. Its not a first round need for sure but something to look towards the future. TE and Safety are still the top needs in my mind. WR is close behind that. Cosby played one heck of a game last night IMO. I think he can really turn into a good solid WR for the bengals. They do need a tall fast guy but untill Palmer gets his problems figured out it wont be much help if he cant get the ball to him. Thats what beat us in the 2005 playoff game when palmer got hurt. The Steelers knew Kitna couldn't throw it over 15 yards so they dropped everyone short. The same thing is happening now. the other teams aren't rolling the safties over on deep routes since there isn't a real threat.

[SC Igniter]

Why is our offense so anemic is the question I keep on stewing on? And how do we fix this for next season? Is the OL the weak link? or is because of coaching? Palmer? Not enough play makers?

My opinion is we need play makers first, so my preference is WR and TE early in rounds 1 & 2 that can make a difference in putting points on the board. Perhaps Coffman is the answer in this area at TE but I can't judge what I can't see. I really like Hernandez over Gresham at this point, willing to give up a little in the blocking area if we can bring in a big upgrade to our offense. Even consider Spiller if he is available.

1st TE Hernandez
2nd WR or S
3rd WR or S

[ThePudge]

23rd in line today. If the Cardinals lose, that's where we'll stay. If they win, then we cement our place at 22nd Overall for the upcoming draft. Also, if Baltimore wins we'll move up. So, 21st is the Bengals ceiling.

[flowjob219]

Really cannot mock up anything other than Round 1, virtually impossible. But you can look at needs. Need depth all over the field! Safety, Tight End are the two positions that need a major overhaul. OR not even an overhaul but just depth, our depth at TE and S is horrible. Tom, Kyries, Roy are all expendible on everydown, they should just be regulated to special teams! TE Foshi and Coats, wowzers are they terrible. And Chase Coffman, are you mentally challenged? Learning a playbook is not that tough! So unless Chase shows the staff something they have to go TE early. Some depth along both lines would be nice, a 4th WR in the middle rounds would be nice since Jerome Simpson is another early round Bengals draft pick disapointment. Take a kicker in the middle rounds to put some pressure on mister ginger. Finally I would say in free agency pick up a vet CB, to be the 3rd guy Keiwan Ratliff, NFL's virtual step child, is not the answer.

[PalmerToCJ]

I've always been against a TE early but this year could be the year it's a luxury and they actually wanted to throw to the TE this year for once.

Taking a TE in the 1st, sign a WR in FA, keep working on the OL (draft an OG in the 3rd/4th)

Safety could be an early round need but Marvin has generally gone away from taking a safety early.

Simpson is going to have to make a dramatic improvement to get much done next year, I hate to give up on a guy in 2 years but he hasn't even seen the field.

1. TE
2. S
3. WR - Big play or solid slot WR.
4. OG - Bobbie Williams isn't getting younger
5. LB - Dhani isn't getting any younger, I like Jeanty but Marvin always has an eye for LB's.

[Pat Sims 90]

I've always been against a TE early but this year could be the year it's a luxury and they actually wanted to throw to the TE this year for once.

Taking a TE in the 1st, sign a WR in FA, keep working on the OL (draft an OG in the 3rd/4th)

Safety could be an early round need but Marvin has generally gone away from taking a safety early.

Simpson is going to have to make a dramatic improvement to get much done next year, I hate to give up on a guy in 2 years but he hasn't even seen the field.

1. TE
2. S
3. WR - Big play or solid slot WR.
4. OG - Bobbie Williams isn't getting younger
5. LB - Dhani isn't getting any younger, I like Jeanty but Marvin always has an eye for LB's.

I would have to go and say these are top needs in offseason in no paticlur order

1.TE Nobody on the Roster is starter quaitly Kelly would be 2nd String on alot of other teams

2.WR We have nobody that can crate seperation from Corners and Offense has not been the same since lost Henry

3.K Graham is not clutch at all missing a 28 yard field goal really??

4.LT Whitworth is not a good LT he is a Great LG but not a LT He gets beat by speed rushers alot

5.QB Carson is having another Offseason Surgery Need to start looking for future Replacement

6.Pass Rushing DE After Odom went down we lost all are pass rush

7.MLB Dhani is showing sides of age

8.S Need a Playmaking S we have Good/Average S no Playmakers

Coaching Changes i would like to see but most likely wont happen

Fire OC Brat
Bring in Hue Jackson

Opt not to Bring back Marvin
Promote Zimmer to HC

Promote LB Coach Jeff Fitzgerald to DC
Bring in Adam Zimmer to Be LB Coach also would help keep Mike around

[Bengals78]

I've always been against a TE early but this year could be the year it's a luxury and they actually wanted to throw to the TE this year for once.

Taking a TE in the 1st, sign a WR in FA, keep working on the OL (draft an OG in the 3rd/4th)

Safety could be an early round need but Marvin has generally gone away from taking a safety early.

Simpson is going to have to make a dramatic improvement to get much done next year, I hate to give up on a guy in 2 years but he hasn't even seen the field.

1. TE
2. S
3. WR - Big play or solid slot WR.
4. OG - Bobbie Williams isn't getting younger
5. LB - Dhani isn't getting any younger, I like Jeanty but Marvin always has an eye for LB's.

Well according to some (especially the bengals site boards) we should trade Carson and get Clausen... I Like your list of needs.
I think Safety needs to be #1 and TE #2.
The fact Keller raped us like he did bc our safeties are usually lost in coverage should make this our top one.

My 2 mock scenarios:
1. Earl Thomas or Nate Allen. Thomas first, if gone, Nate.
2. Jason Fox OT The U
3. Riley Cooper WR UF
3b. Michah Johnson ILB UK
4. Brandon Deadrick DE Alabama
5. Ed Dickson TE Oregon
6. John Jerry OG Ole Miss
7. Leigh Tiffin K Alabama

Earl or Nate fills the huge need at S.
Fox moves Whit back into LG.
Cooper has very reliable hands and works in the slot.
Johnson is a thumper who can learn under Dhani.
Deadrick is what Frostee was meant to be.
Dickson has really come on this year.
Jerry replaces Bobbie in 2011
Tiffin for his accuracy.

1. Greg Romeus DE Pitt
2. Danario Alexander WR Mizzou
3. Larry Asante S Nebraska
3b. Riley Cooper WR UF
4. Walter McFadden CB Auburn
5. Mike Johnson G Alabama
6. Colin Peek TE Alabama
7. Aaron Pettery K OSU

Romeus helps bring some pass rush we need from the down 4.
Alexander is a big target who should be able to stretch the field.
Asante provides a better option at S
Cooper is a medium/underneath target with great hands like TJ was.
McFadden is an upgrade over Trent and gives us great depth.
Johnson could be a stud LG.
Peek is a great blocker and has good hands. Not gonna go vertical but gives Carson a safety valve.
Pettery...kicker yeah.

[Bengals78]

I would have to go and say these are top needs in offseason in no paticlur order

1.TE Nobody on the Roster is starter quaitly Kelly would be 2nd String on alot of other teams

2.WR We have nobody that can crate seperation from Corners and Offense has not been the same since lost Henry

3.K Graham is not clutch at all missing a 28 yard field goal really??

4.LT Whitworth is not a good LT he is a Great LG but not a LT He gets beat by speed rushers alot

5.QB Carson is having another Offseason Surgery Need to start looking for future Replacement

6.Pass Rushing DE After Odom went down we lost all are pass rush

7.MLB Dhani is showing sides of age

8.S Need a Playmaking S we have Good/Average S no Playmakers

Coaching Changes i would like to see but most likely wont happen

Fire OC Brat
Bring in Hue Jackson

Opt not to Bring back Marvin
Promote Zimmer to HC

Promote LB Coach Jeff Fitzgerald to DC
Bring in Adam Zimmer to Be LB Coach also would help keep Mike around

I love the coaching changes. 100% agree. I disagree about the QB thing mostly because this draft is weak on QB.

[PalmerToCJ]

Kicker can be addressed in FA... Ala a Matt Stover, I would really rather not have a rookie kicker.

I don't see DE as much of a need for a couple reasons. I'm happy with Fanene/Rucker/Geathers for their run D. Fanene/Geathers are adequate at pass rushing. Odom can get at the QB and I really think Michael Johnson will become a monster next year.

[Bengals78]

Kicker can be addressed in FA... Ala a Matt Stover, I would really rather not have a rookie kicker.

I don't see DE as much of a need for a couple reasons. I'm happy with Fanene/Rucker/Geathers for their run D. Fanene/Geathers are adequate at pass rushing. Odom can get at the QB and I really think Michael Johnson will become a monster next year.

Yeah but without Odom our pass rush is like it was last year...abysmal.
And if Odom goes down again....

[J24]

I feel Dt is a bigger need then DE personally.

[Bengalsrocket]

I don't want to "settle", but Marvin has posted 2 play off seasons in 7 years. He's also had a lot of really close seasons and dealt with some major adversity. Frankly, we're a small market team and I don't know that we can do better.

Are you guys positive Zimmer is a good head coach? In his 20 some odd years of coaching experience, he's never once been a head coach. There are plenty of guys out there who make great defensive coordinators but then can't get it done as a head coach. I think Zimmer has a lot of heart, and with everything this team has been through with him here, I think he could get these guys to rally around him. But I'm not sure future players that we bring in will buy into him, and there is no way to tell if he has what it takes to be a head coach.

There are a couple of assistants I think we need to fire and definitely get rid of Bratowski because our offense is just way to vanilla. But other than that, I say we keep Marvin and hope Zimmer sticks around as a DC.

[PalmerToCJ]

I'm always iffy on the idea of promoting a coach from within to HC.

I think Michael Johnson can really develop into a monster, Geathers I'm fine with at DE.

A lot of the problem we have from the outside in trying to figure out what the needs are is how the coaches feel on two players... Chase Coffman and Jerome Simpson. If they still feel like both can get it done, TE definitely won't be addressed and WR will surely be addressed but not as a huge need. We could very well have two players at TE/WR to add that are already on the team, in the same breath both could very well be flops. It just baffles me that they couldn't find the field when both positions were in huge need.

I'm really wondering how much gas Dhani has left. I mean, I have no reason from this year to think he's getting towards the end of the road but it's just that I'm kind of waiting for when that happens. What if Brandon Spikes is there? I can't say I'd be against it. Granted, Rey is just waiting to slide to the MLB spot.

Like I said earlier, Marvin doesn't go for safeties early in the draft. He really seems to prefer to go after veterans in FA. Curious to see how that works out.

With Crocker/Williams and Chinny coming back next year there also isn't a ton of room. They had a bad game in the Jets game but other than that they've been adequate in the passing game.

There are a lot of different routes they can go with this draft. I usually have a really good feel of what positions will be taken but this year I'm really lost at this point. Marvin always preaches about just taking BPA but I usually call BS on it, however this year I could see that really being the case.

[Bengalsrocket]

The best guy doesn't always see the field in a case like this. There happens to be more politics to the Jerome Simpson thing than people are willing to admit to here.

If a guy is never given a shot, how is he suppose to do his job? If we break down the depth chart ahead of him, it becomes glaringly obvious why he hasn't done anything for us yet:

1) Chad Ochocinco - This is pretty self explanatory. If we're expecting Jerome to be good, no one is going to take Chad's job from him yet.

2) Lavernius Coles - We just gave him a huge contract. While he hasn't exactly worked out, no coach is going to put a 2nd year WR project ahead of a guy who's a proven player. His experience puts him ahead of Jerome, regardless of skill.

3) Chris Henry - this guy was just flat out more talented. I know he's no longer with us (R.I.P.) but that effects Jerome. If Henry is taking up a spot during training camp, preseason and half of the regular season then that means Jerome misses out on potential reps. Not necessarily Chris' reps because it's likely that Andre would have gotten those reps, but then the chain moves up with Quan Cosby taking Andre's reps and Jerome taking Quan's reps.

4) Andre Caldwell - this guy is solid. He's not explosive, but he does fill a roll for us. He's got reliable hands (or rather, reliable compared to the rest of the team) and seems to get in under coverage pretty well.

5) Quan Cosby - He's a punt returner. I still am not convinced that he's better than Jerome, and I don't believe for a second that Marvin thinks Cosby is the better receiver. Unfortunately for Jerome though, Quan does dress every week for punt returning so when Marvin thinks about the 5th receiver to take snaps / reps with the first team (most importantly Palmer) he is going to pick the guy who dresses every week in case there is a chain of injuries in a game.

Jerome may never amount to anything, but just because he hasn't seen the field doesn't mean he's doing poorly, it just means he hasn't been giving a shot. The only guy I don't think should have dressed before him is Purify, but it's possible Marvin just wanted a tall receiver dressed and practicing for us.

[Clarkpba]

I do think next year Jerome Simpson will get a chance to see the field along with Chase Coffman. My guess is with them going into training camp as players expected to contribute instead of backup players the aren't in the game plan they will be able to sink or swim. Hopefully swim.

I still think the bengals need to focus on a Safety that can cover in space. We have enough guys that can support the run and lay a big hit. Its obvious they cant cover anyone. I also would like to see them get a TE. the ones who played late in the season need to be working at the Citgo. I dont know if I've ever seen two worse tight ends. I dont think either one could catch an STD at a prostitute convention.

As much as I'd like to see a solid LT so Whit can move back inside it isn't going to happen in this draft. Our best hope is that Andre Smith can come on strong and be able to handle LT in the pros. That will allow the bengals to pick a tackle later that can play on the right side. I dont really see a good top end LT available in the draft this year anyways.

I would like to see them pick a good nickle corner up as you can never have to many good corners on your team. Plus i have feeling that the great duo we have right now wont be together in a few years. Come contract time one of them if not both will move on for the all mighty big payday that the bengals wont be willing to give them.

[Bengals78]

Offseason moves we should make:

Fire Bratkowski (DUH)
Hire Hue Jackson

Make an offer for Derrick Johnson MLB Kansas City.
Probably have to lose a 3rd rounder due to him being a RFA.
Make a move to get Owen Daniels if he isnt resigned.
Cut Coles.
Resign Bobbie Williams.
Make an offer for a mid-level safety who would be an upgrade over our current group. (Bigby?)
Sign FA Kicker

Draft.

1. Golden Tate WR Notre Dame - Provides the big play threat.
2. Nate Allen FS USF - Playmaker in the secondary.
3 - Lost for Derrick Johnson - Worth it.
3 (comp) Ciron Black OL LSU - Big big man, moves into LG.
4. Austen Lane DE Murray St - Project but ridiculous size.
5. Colin Peak TE Alabama - Runs good routes, solid hands & can block.
6. Stephen Williams WR Toledo - Tall WR to groom like Henry.
7. Zac Robinson QB Oklahoma State - I just like him as a player.

Offense:

Tate.........Peak/Whitworth/Black/Cook/Williams/Smith/Daniels...........Ocho
............................................. Palmer

............................................. Benson



Defense:
...............................Allen
.................................................. ....Bigby



...........................Rivers....D.Johnson.... ..Maualuga
Hall.............................................. ......................................Joseph
..........................M.Johnson....Tank.... Peko....Odom

[Bengalsrocket]

I'd be ok with that I suppose, though I guess I want your opinion on a few things:

1) Do you really think Tate can win that job over Caldwell?

2) Under what circumstance do you see Houston not resigning Owen Daniels?

3) Why are you replacing Geathers / Dhani? They seem to be 2 of our better starters on defense.

[Bengals78]

1. I think Caldwell is best suited for the slot.

2. Injury, they have some young guys there who are really good and have potential.

3. Dhani is a great leader, but he is getting older, and losing a step. (He is one of my favorite current Bengals but I want to get better as a team)

Geathers is overrated by fans. He got paid like a double-digit sack guy and hasnt lived up to it. I think MJ is such a rare talent he will win that spot.
If he keeps improving, its his to take.

[PalmerToCJ]

Geathers is overrated as a pass rusher but he's also underrated as a run defender. He's a solid overall 4-3 DE out there.

I don't see the Bengals going after Johnson... Plus I don't think you replace Dhani till he's done given all he does for the defense above just making tackles.

When Purify was playing over Simpson, that was a huge reason for concern. You've gotta give the coaching staff a reason to play you, there were several spots this season when another WR was in need but Simpson didn't sniff the field.

Most importantly Zimmer is back so I'm not sweating the other stuff too much haha

[Bengals78]

Geathers is overrated as a pass rusher but he's also underrated as a run defender. He's a solid overall 4-3 DE out there.

I don't see the Bengals going after Johnson... Plus I don't think you replace Dhani till he's done given all he does for the defense above just making tackles.

When Purify was playing over Simpson, that was a huge reason for concern. You've gotta give the coaching staff a reason to play you, there were several spots this season when another WR was in need but Simpson didn't sniff the field.

Most importantly Zimmer is back so I'm not sweating the other stuff too much haha

I am very worried about Jerome. When we were calling PS guys up over him. Even brought in Joey Galloway for a work out.
I like Dhani but I worry about his coverage skills.

Plus we need depth at LB. I am not at all as satisfied with our depth there as others. Look at how our defense died off without Rey and even Keith throughout the season.
Johnson and Jeanty are good back ups but not starters.

[SC Igniter]

Get rid of Coles and resign Williams. Brat is here to stay, no more changes on the coaching staff are expected.

Upgrading the LB does make sense, however, instead of FA or trade, mid level draft pick might be a better option so that you got someone to develop under Dhani. I think resigning Williams lessens the urgency of spending one of our top choices on a safety.

Picking up Owen Daniels would be huge even though he is coming off injury. Unlikely that Houston will let him go.

"Playmakers" "Down the Field" "Consistency" are the words Lewis keeps using. Offense needs to be our focus in the off season and draft for the WR and TE positions. I think our 1st and 2nd round will be used for those 2 spots. Both of these folks need to be able to start.

Lets assume we don't pick up TE FA. Who will be the best play makers available at our 1st pick?

TE: Gresham (likely), Hernandez (doubtful to maybe)
WR: Bryant (doubtful), Tate (likely), Benn (likely)

Of the above grouping, the biggest impact play maker in the 1st round for next season in my opinion is the TE position with either Gresham or Hernandez. One of them should be available. There should be a number of solid WR's for us to choose in the 2nd - Williams, Gilyard or Lafeil.

If not TE with 1st, Tate would be my choice, he is the most ready of the WR bunch to make an immediate impact. Although he doesn't have the size that i like. Maybe I'm crazy, another route would be to trade for Brandon Marshall, he is the complete package for what we need. For down the field draft consideration, my Jacoby Ford will be available in the mid rounds and has the speed to get by anyone in the next level. He and Spiller will light it up at the combines.

[Bengals78]

Get rid of Coles and resign Williams. Brat is here to stay, no more changes on the coaching staff are expected.

Upgrading the LB does make sense, however, instead of FA or trade, mid level draft pick might be a better option so that you got someone to develop under Dhani. I think resigning Williams lessens the urgency of spending one of our top choices on a safety.

Picking up Owen Daniels would be huge even though he is coming off injury. Unlikely that Houston will let him go.

"Playmakers" "Down the Field" "Consistency" are the words Lewis keeps using. Offense needs to be our focus in the off season and draft for the WR and TE positions. I think our 1st and 2nd round will be used for those 2 spots. Both of these folks need to be able to start.

Lets assume we don't pick up TE FA. Who will be the best play makers available at our 1st pick?

TE: Gresham (likely), Hernandez (doubtful to maybe)
WR: Bryant (doubtful), Tate (likely), Benn (likely)

Of the above grouping, the biggest impact play maker in the 1st round for next season in my opinion is the TE position with either Gresham or Hernandez. One of them should be available. There should be a number of solid WR's for us to choose in the 2nd - Williams, Gilyard or Lafeil.

If not TE with 1st, Tate would be my choice, he is the most ready of the WR bunch to make an immediate impact. Although he doesn't have the size that i like. Maybe I'm crazy, another route would be to trade for Brandon Marshall, he is the complete package for what we need. For down the field draft consideration, my Jacoby Ford will be available in the mid rounds and has the speed to get by anyone in the next level. He and Spiller will light it up at the combines.

I would put a lot on Hernandez not being on our draft board....He is very similar to Coffman. No thanks.
Getting a playmaker like Golden Tate seems like it might be our draft priority numero uno

[themaninblack]

I'm not ready to give up on Coffman unlike pretty much everyone else so I am really opposed to a TE in the first. I'm not saying we don't take one at some point because its obviously a need even if Chase can develop into a player.

[Bengals78]

I'm not ready to give up on Coffman unlike pretty much everyone else so I am really opposed to a TE in the first. I'm not saying we don't take one at some point because its obviously a need even if Chase can develop into a player.

I agree, but I also think Gresham is a special kind of player who could really step in right away.
I would love to run 2 TE sets with Gresham on the strong side and Coffman on the weak side. That would be lethal for Carson in the redzone.

[Bengalsrocket]

I agree, but I also think Gresham is a special kind of player who could really step in right away.
I would love to run 2 TE sets with Gresham on the strong side and Coffman on the weak side. That would be lethal for Carson in the redzone.

Yah, if Coffman gets a chance this year, he'll be a monster in the red zone. The guy is 6'6 lol.

[Pat Sims 90]

As along as we dump Daniel "Stonehands" Coats i will be fine with whoever

[Clarkpba]

My guess is at the tight end spot they will do what they have done in recent past and pick up an old over the hill guy from free agentcy. I wouldn't mind that so much as long as the guy is a very good blocker and can at least catch better then an offensive lineman(coats foschi). Hopefully Coffman can figure out how to read sometime during the offseason(playbook) and can find the field so we can reap the rewards of his great hands and route running. I still wouldn't hate the bengals picking Gresham in the first though. Granted this is all based on him having a good showing at the combine and bouncing back from his injury. My main desire in the first round is a cover saftey if one is available and a good value at the pick. That seems to be the biggest void in the defense. Depth would be nice but i think you have to have solid performers at EVERY position before you start looking at depth.

A guy I'm really liking and think would be a good fit for the bengals at the WR spot is Jordan Shipley. I think he could fill that need that was left by TJ. I just really like the way he plays the game and has some really good hands. As much as i think Gilyard would be a great athlete to add to the team I dont think he is worth a first round pick and i doubt he would be there in the second. Honestly i dont see any of the WR's in this class being first round talent. I know Benn and Bryant will most likely go in the first but i feel both will have issues in the NFL and wont be top flight WR's. they can be servicable and have decent careers but thats about it. that to me isn't worth a first round pick. Those need to be used on guys who can step in right away and contribute to the team or be part of the long term plans

[Pat Sims 90]

My guess is at the tight end spot they will do what they have done in recent past and pick up an old over the hill guy from free agentcy. I wouldn't mind that so much as long as the guy is a very good blocker and can at least catch better then an offensive lineman(coats foschi). Hopefully Coffman can figure out how to read sometime during the offseason(playbook) and can find the field so we can reap the rewards of his great hands and route running. I still wouldn't hate the bengals picking Gresham in the first though. Granted this is all based on him having a good showing at the combine and bouncing back from his injury. My main desire in the first round is a cover saftey if one is available and a good value at the pick. That seems to be the biggest void in the defense. Depth would be nice but i think you have to have solid performers at EVERY position before you start looking at depth.

A guy I'm really liking and think would be a good fit for the bengals at the WR spot is Jordan Shipley. I think he could fill that need that was left by TJ. I just really like the way he plays the game and has some really good hands. As much as i think Gilyard would be a great athlete to add to the team I dont think he is worth a first round pick and i doubt he would be there in the second. Honestly i dont see any of the WR's in this class being first round talent. I know Benn and Bryant will most likely go in the first but i feel both will have issues in the NFL and wont be top flight WR's. they can be servicable and have decent careers but thats about it. that to me isn't worth a first round pick. Those need to be used on guys who can step in right away and contribute to the team or be part of the long term plans

Jordan Shipley is a slot reciver we dont need anymore slot guys we have 4 guys on the roster right now in Coles, Caldwell, Simpson, Crosby we need someone to play opposite Chad and someone that can go deep Golden Tate Mardy Gilyard Dez Bryant Arrelious Benn are a couple guys i can think of off the top of my head that would fit nice in are offense

[Bengals78]

Jordan Shipley is a slot reciver we dont need anymore slot guys we have 4 guys on the roster right now in Coles, Caldwell, Simpson, Crosby we need someone to play opposite Chad and someone that can go deep Golden Tate Mardy Gilyard Dez Bryant Arrelious Benn are a couple guys i can think of off the top of my head that would fit nice in are offense

I agree about Shipley, although a guy like him or Decker if they fell in the 4th I would jump all over the chance then.

Crosby? Bing or Mason? ;)

My ranks go:
1. Golden Tate - The more I watch him the more I think he will be something special.

2. Mardy - Plays with the right attitude and makes plays, but is the value there in the first?

3. Dez - He would be great but wont make it to 21.

4. Demaryius Thomas - Love the size and the big play threat, but I question the transition to the pros.

5. Benn - Impossible to grade him until he gets some chances at pro-days and workouts with a real QB.

[Clarkpba]

I agree we have alot of guys on the roster to play the slot but who has been reliable doing it? Caldwell did the best job and lets face it it wasn't something to jump and down about. The reason I brought up Shipley is he has great hands and more then likely will be available in the later rounds. and like Bengals78 said Decker is another guy I'd like to see picked if available in the late rounds. To me there just isn't any stand out guys available that would really make a difference in the first round at WR. We need a big play threat I agree. But there isn't any in this class that are worth a first round pick.

[PalmerToCJ]

I'm not ready to give up on Coffman unlike pretty much everyone else so I am really opposed to a TE in the first. I'm not saying we don't take one at some point because its obviously a need even if Chase can develop into a player.

Yeah this is why I'm really up in the air on it. Seemed it was pretty much solely blocking they worried about. That clearly is more important to the staff than pass catching (see the fact the Coats even had a roster spot). I'm way less concerned with him than I am Simpson for sure.

As for LB depth... I'm actually really big on Brandon Johnson, I honestly don't see much of a drop off from Rivers to him. Jeanty is adequate as a backup. It would be nice to draft a guy that could play the middle and strong side for depth.

I keep trying to think of how they'll go in the draft but I still don't have much of a clue. Starting to think it could be WR in the 1st. Coles is old and not that good, CJ might be gone soon and all that leaves is Caldwell.

[Clarkpba]

My dream come true would be Taylor Mays dropping down to the Bengals. That would be so awesome. He could end up being a real solid player for years. We know Eric Berry will be long gone as i'm sure Mays will also. I'm up in the air about Nate Allen and if he is worth the 21st pick. I think a safety really needs to be addressed early in this draft. Its hard to keep trying to get by with others castoffs and late round backups.

[themaninblack]

Lets trade up and get Mr. Berry. /dream.

[Bengals78]

Lets trade up and get Mr. Berry. /dream.

But we can dream....

[themaninblack]

He would be a hell of a fit for us. I bet Marvin is drooling over him because he's exactly the type of versatile safety he seems to covet.

[Bengals78]

He would be a hell of a fit for us. I bet Marvin is drooling over him because he's exactly the type of versatile safety he seems to covet.

The only teams he doesnt fit would be Pittsburgh, Baltimore or Cleveland

[themaninblack]

Great point. Imagine that secondary. Ugh I need to stop thinking about it.

[PalmerToCJ]

I'm really hoping they go safety early. Given the lack of glaring needs, I would hope it would be an option this year. Marvin really seems to favor veterans at that spot. Madieu is the only early pick he's taken there.

I saw a mock on NFL that had Dez Bryant falling to 21, I pee'd myself a little bit no matter how absurd it was.

[SC Igniter]

Kiper has us picking up hernandez. While this isn't popular with some of you because of the Coffman similarities, I wouldn't mind if this happens. This guy would be real tough to cover and would create some mismatches that Palmer needs to have happen for our passing game. On top of this his yards after catch stats are huge. We are too one dimensional in our passing game.

With that said, my bet for 1st will be either a WR/TE and most likely one of the 4 guys I mentioned earlier (i dont want Mays). You never know who may drop to us, but if it unfolds like the experts are saying its either Hernadez/Gresham or Golden Tate being available for us at #1. I'm OK with any of them. Just can't validate that Coffman will do anything positive for us next year, if he had shown anything last season it probably would change my mind on this.

If not TE at first, then I would go after the Wisconsin kid (graham) in 3 or 4th round.

[Bengals78]

Hernandez is in no way a first round value

[Clarkpba]

I will cry if the bengals take Tate in in the first round. The guy made some good plays in college and does have some good hands, but the one thing i seen that really worries me about him as a pro is the fact he had a hard time getting seperation in college. If he couldn't sepereate from college corners he will be ate up in the pro game. That to me doesn't equate to a first round WR. Bryant or Benn are the closest things to first round talent in this class but even they have some downfalls that worry me about transitioning from college to the pro's. Bryant didn't play most of the year and we seen how that effected Williams when he challeged the NFL to come out as a sophmore. A year of no real game action takes its toll as you cant simulate it in practice. Benn just really dissapeared at Illinois. The lack of a real satring QB had a bit to do with it but even when the ball came his way he did'nt make alot plays you expect from a top reciever.

What all this equates to is it kinda sucks being in the mid to later round when picking if you have some glaring needs. its hard to get a really strong top notch player in the first allthough not impossible. Hopefully the bengals can find some diamond in the rough that can come in right away and contribute like Rey did for the defense this upcoming season.

[Bengals78]

I will cry if the bengals take Tate in in the first round. The guy made some good plays in college and does have some good hands, but the one thing i seen that really worries me about him as a pro is the fact he had a hard time getting seperation in college. If he couldn't sepereate from college corners he will be ate up in the pro game. That to me doesn't equate to a first round WR. Bryant or Benn are the closest things to first round talent in this class but even they have some downfalls that worry me about transitioning from college to the pro's. Bryant didn't play most of the year and we seen how that effected Williams when he challeged the NFL to come out as a sophmore. A year of no real game action takes its toll as you cant simulate it in practice. Benn just really dissapeared at Illinois. The lack of a real satring QB had a bit to do with it but even when the ball came his way he did'nt make alot plays you expect from a top reciever.

What all this equates to is it kinda sucks being in the mid to later round when picking if you have some glaring needs. its hard to get a really strong top notch player in the first allthough not impossible. Hopefully the bengals can find some diamond in the rough that can come in right away and contribute like Rey did for the defense this upcoming season.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA5bpJU2eJQ
He has the ability to go up and get the ball.

[Clarkpba]

the first play was just a plain streak pattern and the second play was really bad coverage by the corner. He did show his quality hands which i stated in the earlier post that he has. My point is your not going to see coverage that poor in the NFL. when your giving a 7 yard cusion and shading the sideline when there is only 15 yards to the goaline any mediocre QB/WR tandam should make that same touchdown.

Dont get me wrong i think Tate can be an ok WR in the NFL he just dont seem like a first round talent. If he had more size to him I'd like him alot better. he has a decent skill set but will get blanketed by corners at the next level. If he was a 6'4" WR he could make up for the lack of seperation by just being able to use his reach and size to out muscle the CB's. If he is available in the second and the bengals dont take a WR in the first then i think its a good value.

[Desert]

I'm surprised to see so few people mention Brandon LaFell. I think our 1st rounder is going to be between him and Gresham, and as good as Gresham is (I would love to see him in stripes), I'd prefer LaFell. The guy put up good numbers consistently against top competition despite inconsistent QB play and a very conservative option offense. He's big, fast, has good hands, is great on jump balls, and is a hell of a playmaker. In other words, he seems to be exactly the type of WR the team is lacking without Housh and following the Henry tragedy. LaFell might fall to the 2nd round, but I doubt all the way to our 2nd pick, so I think he'll get some serious consideration at 21.

[Bengals78]

LaFell is not nearly the big play threat you make him out to be.
He only cracked 100 yards this season, and was a no-show in the bigger games.

Errr...if he was 6'4 he would be named Randy Moss.
He can get separation but once Floyd went out with his injury he was double covered every game. And still managed to put up over 100 yards in all but 3 games this year. Factor in he comes from a pro-style offense where they make them run a lot of pro routes, and he would be an immediate player.
If we could, I would wait until next year to draft a WR (Jones, Green, Floyd) will all likely declare. But because of Carson's age, we cant afford to keep waiting. We have to make our move now.

[themaninblack]

I also am not a fan of Golden Tate. He just screams bust to me but I do like that he played in a pro style offense. I also don't see a TE OR a WR being our first round pick but thats probably just me. I wouldn't be opposed to a WR but I think they're pretty much set in their eyes to the point where a high pick is probably not warranted(again, in their eyes).

A guy I would like to take a shot at as a WR is Danario Alexander. He could be a pretty nice consolation if and when they give up on Jerome. But I expect to see something from Simpson this year. I think he'll finally get his shot to some degree and he's gonna have to show some things if he's gonna be a part of this team.

[Pat Sims 90]

I also am not a fan of Golden Tate. He just screams bust to me but I do like that he played in a pro style offense. I also don't see a TE OR a WR being our first round pick but thats probably just me. I wouldn't be opposed to a WR but I think they're pretty much set in their eyes to the point where a high pick is probably not warranted(again, in their eyes).

A guy I would like to take a shot at as a WR is Danario Alexander. He could be a pretty nice consolation if and when they give up on Jerome. But I expect to see something from Simpson this year. I think he'll finally get his shot to some degree and he's gonna have to show some things if he's gonna be a part of this team.

Alexander has red flags with Injury History and this team has had a bad history of injuries i would take him in 4th or lower but i would not take him in the top 3 rounds

[bengalbuck]

Alexander has red flags with Injury History and this team has had a bad history of injuries i would take him in 4th or lower but i would not take him in the top 3 rounds

I'd be worried about the injuries as well, but if he ran a good 40, then he's worth the risk in the 2nd or 3rd.

I'm just not sure he's fast enough to get open in a normal offense (not that Texas Tech/Houston style 5 WR crap Mizzou runs).

[JP1980]

Mardy is pretty upfront about where he wants to be next year.

Bengals.com

“I told my brother that if I could pull an Eli Manning, I’d be in orange and black next year,” Gilyard said as he walked to the North’s first team meeting of the week. “I feel like I can do so much good for them. I can play in the slot. I can help return kicks. I can go outside. I can help. I want to be there if I could make it happen.”

[Bengals78]

Its hard not to want the kid here.
It would be nice to get him, but it seems like he falls in the no-mans land between our first and second.

[JP1980]

Its hard not to want the kid here.
It would be nice to get him, but it seems like he falls in the no-mans land between our first and second.

I agree 100%. A big showing at Bowl this week-end could change that though.

[Bengals78]

Could but it would have to be spectacular IMO. I could see us using the reach there.
It would be similar though not nearly has horrendous as the Jags taking Tebow.

[Clarkpba]

If the bengals reach for a WR in the first Gilyard would be the one guy I could live with. The only reason being is he has multiple uses and fills more then one need. He is kind of like a poor mans C.J. Spiller. One of the things that really impresses me is his attitude. He seems really focused when it comes to the game. The only thing that worries me is his size but he plays bigger then that.

[themaninblack]

I could not possibly be mad if we drafted Mardy.

[Bengals78]

I could not possibly be mad if we drafted Mardy.

I wouldnt be mad, I would be a little upset if we did in the first because I question the value.
Im sure if we got Nate Allen or Reshad Jones in the second all would be good.

I was just browsing over Scott's scouting reports and one really bothered me:
http://www.draftcountdown.com/ScoutingReports/WR/Brandon-LaFell.php
"Questionable work ethic --- Immature. "
That worries me about him.

[hobbes2053]

I'm really big on Mardy. He plays with more heart than I have seen in a long time and it's easy to see that he is in love with the city of Cincinnati. I think he would be a perfect fit for our offense as he can be a deadly slot receiver. But is 21 too high? And if so, does anyone see us trading up in the 2nd to possibly get him there?

[Bengals78]

It would cost a lot to do.
I would say this years 2nd AND 3rd?
Or do you just reach for him at 21

[hobbes2053]

It would cost a lot to do.
I would say this years 2nd AND 3rd?
Or do you just reach for him at 21

That's really not that much considering you're just trading 2nd round picks. And with our 3rd round comp via TJ, I wouldn't say it's out of the realm of possibility. You know Mike Brown is all about saving the most money in the draft. I'd love to have Mardy that I think he really might be worth trading for.

[Bengalsrocket]

Hometown heroes are a rare find. Generally they don't line up in the draft / fit with their pro teams, thus it's a rarity to see them stay in town.

However, there wouldn't be that much forcing to get Mardy in stripes. He's a bit of a reach at 21, and might not be there at 42, but I wouldn't be upset if we used either pick to get him and I also wouldn't mind a little trade to try to make it smoother.

That being said, if we go for Mardy, we absolutely have to make sure we address safety very quickly afterward.

[themaninblack]

I think the only question about his work ethic really stems for his academic situation but I think he has answered that without a doubt. He did so much to get back where he is and I think it would be safe to overlook that in scouting him. Honestly, I don't think anyone works harder than Mardy Gilyard and it would be great to have him here. While I wouldn't necessarily love getting him with our first round pick, I still can't say no to it. He deserves to be here and he obviously wants to. If we do get him in the first then we must go safety in the second. MUST.

Also, this MIGHT be the year we trade up in the second round anyway. Just seems like a good opportunity to do so with the extra 3rd and the team is at the point where we can afford to make such a move in order to shore up our positions of need.

[Bengals78]

I would be more for trading #21 overall, move into the top of the 2nd and possibly gain an extra 3rd.

That way we could more likely go:
2a Mardy
2b Reshad Jones
3 Gronk

[hobbes2053]

I would be more for trading #21 overall, move into the top of the 2nd and possibly gain an extra 3rd.

That way we could more likely go:
2a Mardy
2b Reshad Jones
3 Gronk

I love this. This or safety at #21, then trade up for Mardy in the early 2nd would be glorious to me. Either way, I think getting a safety in the first 2 rounds is imperative.

[Bengals78]

Gronk would be a stretch in the 3rd me thinks but the first two choices would be great.

[JP1980]

Hometown heroes are a rare find. Generally they don't line up in the draft / fit with their pro teams, thus it's a rarity to see them stay in town.

However, there wouldn't be that much forcing to get Mardy in stripes. He's a bit of a reach at 21, and might not be there at 42, but I wouldn't be upset if we used either pick to get him and I also wouldn't mind a little trade to try to make it smoother.

That being said, if we go for Mardy, we absolutely have to make sure we address safety very quickly afterward.

Mardy COULD be what we missed out on with Desean Jackson. I don't care about size and timed speed. The kid makes plays. Don't be shocked to see them deal down in round 1 instead of up in round 2 to get him.

Disclaimer: I'm from Canada and have no ties to UC Football what so ever.
But I do want this kid in orange and black.

[Bengals78]

Disclaimer: I'm from Canada

You just disqualified yourself from all validity in future arguments....just kidding but I do think it would make for a funny sig

[themaninblack]

Lets get Iupati in the first n trade up in the second for Mardy. Me likey.

[SC Igniter]

Players who I will be watching closely at the Senior bowl

Spiller - my wish 1st round gift. he would change our team.
Ford - WR, 3-4 round. Speed amplified. ran track at Clemson. big heart.
Mays - S, 1st round. Scott says he is man amongst boys. Fulcher w/speed?
Norwood - LB, 2-3 round. Mean and nasty like his brother but quicker.
Mardy - WR, 2nd round. Enough said about him. Wouldn't use 1st pick on him.
any CB that can stop/cover the above receivers

[Pat Sims 90]

Lets get Iupati in the first n trade up in the second for Mardy. Me likey.

I dont think Iupati will be there when we pick i think he is going to go the way of Brandon Albert.

[AkiliSmith]

I dont think Iupati will be there when we pick i think he is going to go the way of Brandon Albert.
Except Iupati is a guard only where as Albert was considered a left tackle

[Bengals78]

Except Iupati is a guard only where as Albert was considered a left tackle

I read they tried him at LT during senior bowl practices and he was struggling.

Anyways, what is everyone's take on Clifton Geathers? Roberts younger brother.
6-8 280
Big kid, late round guy, couldnt hurt to keep it in family and maybe get some sibling rivalry going to spark one.
Saw his name tossed around a lot on the Bengals site.

[Shahin]

So i was snoopin around in the KC forum and somebody mentioned that Kerry Rhodes may be traded or even cut maybe. How dope would it be to pick him and Derrick Johnson up?

[hobbes2053]

So i was snoopin around in the KC forum and somebody mentioned that Kerry Rhodes may be traded or even cut maybe. How dope would it be to pick him and Derrick Johnson up?

The dopest dope ever. It would make the draft so much easier. But I think we all know the chances of it happening are <1 :(

[Bengals78]

I think we have an outside shot at Rhodes

[AkiliSmith]

Can Rhodes or Crocker play SS? I can't seem them giving up picks for Rhodes (unless it's a 6th or 7th) to back up Crocker.

Also I think it's safe to assume the Browns are going to trade down 4 times in the 1st round and end up acquiring Rhodes.

[themaninblack]

Rhodes would be a dream come true. If we get him S would be locked up for awhile with him and Chinny.

[Pat Sims 90]

Can Rhodes or Crocker play SS? I can't seem them giving up picks for Rhodes (unless it's a 6th or 7th) to back up Crocker.

Also I think it's safe to assume the Browns are going to trade down 4 times in the 1st round and end up acquiring Rhodes.

That is what is going to happen they will get Kellen Clemons and someone else

[Bengals78]

And Gholston pleeeeaaasse let them pick up Gholston

[Bengals78]

The more I think about it the more I like trading out of 21. Picking up a 2nd and 3rd and picks next year.

Get into the early 2nd.

2a. Mardy Gilyard - Provides a big play WR threat from anywhere
2b. Reshad Jones - Perfect FS for us. Plays run and pass well.
3a. Rob Gronkowski - Great TE pick up
3b. Danario Alexander - Vertical Play threat
3comp. Ciron Black - Moves inside to G
4. Rennie Curran - Undersized but I love him at OLB or even SS
5. Brandon Deaderick - Big DE in the mold of Fanene and Rucker
6. Hunter Lawrence - Seems to be a clutch kicker.
7. John Conner - FB. T2 is on AMC right now so yeah.

[hobbes2053]

The more I think about it the more I like trading out of 21. Picking up a 2nd and 3rd and picks next year.

Get into the early 2nd.

2a. Mardy Gilyard - Provides a big play WR threat from anywhere
2b. Reshad Jones - Perfect FS for us. Plays run and pass well.
3a. Rob Gronkowski - Great TE pick up
3b. Danario Alexander - Vertical Play threat
3comp. Ciron Black - Moves inside to G
4. Rennie Curran - Undersized but I love him at OLB or even SS
5. Brandon Deaderick - Big DE in the mold of Fanene and Rucker
6. Hunter Lawrence - Seems to be a clutch kicker.
7. John Conner - FB. T2 is on AMC right now so yeah.

Zomgz. If we are somehow able to get Rennie Curran, nothing else would matter to me. This would be the most amazing draft in the history of the draft.

[Bengals78]

Looking back on it, I would do things with that draft. Mmmm draft sexy.

[themaninblack]

Would obviously love both of them Dawgs lol. Is Rennie Curran's stock really that low? I thought he'd be a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick at least. Wouldn't complain with getting him there even if I am content with our LBers.

Do we pull the trigger on Taylor Mays if hes there at 21? I have a hard time believing we would pass that up regardless of how I feel about him personally.

[hobbes2053]

Would obviously love both of them Dawgs lol. Is Rennie Curran's stock really that low? I thought he'd be a late 2nd or early 3rd round pick at least. Wouldn't complain with getting him there even if I am content with our LBers.

Do we pull the trigger on Taylor Mays if hes there at 21? I have a hard time believing we would pass that up regardless of how I feel about him personally.

Simply reposting due to absolute truth. Rennie Curran is the man and I cannot believe he projected to go so low (maybe due to his size). And I'm still not sold on Mays.

[Clarkpba]

With the bengals love of picking USC players if Mays is available I see them going with him. The only reason they would pass is if he has a really bad combine. I remember last year alot of people wasn't to high on Malaluga but we see how that turned out. Lets hope if Mays falls the bengals have the same luck.

[Bengals78]

I see Curran as a 3rd rounder who could even slide to the 4th because of his size.

As for Mays, I want nothing to do with him. Actually I want less than nothing. I wouldnt touch him til round 2

[Bengals78]

Whats everyone's thoughts on Iupati?
Personally I dont want a guard with our first pick.
We could have the best line ever but with no one to get the ball to its kinda pointless right?
I am really liking the idea of John Jerry or Ciron Black later.
I have heard Jerry has been beastly at senior bowl practices

[SC Igniter]

Personally, I just dont see us drafting OL early. Frankly since there are so many teams with WR needs in this draft, wouldn't be surprised if we dont do anything early in rounds 1/2 or maybe even 3rd at WR because everyone of value will be taken. Unless we can pull off a Marshall trade, we may be screwed. I still think its going to be TE unless we trade out of our 1st pick.

[StripedWalrus]

I really like Reshed Jones. We need a Safety that can play both pass and run.

[hobbes2053]

Reshad jones and Rennie Curran would be a godsend. I remember the last time we got two defensive monsters from Georgia. It worked out quite well on the field.

[Bengals78]

Reshad jones and Rennie Curran would be a godsend. I remember the last time we got two defensive monsters from Georgia. It worked out quite well on the field.

Well lets pray for no drugs or freak injuries with these 2.

[themaninblack]

I don't think those two have any type of history with off the field stuff. I know Rennie is a very high character guy, or at least hes been portrayed as such. I am still very suprised he's ranked so low, dude is a beast. I know his size may turn some off but he plays much bigger and I actually think one of his best assets is his ability to get off blocks. Hes a VERY powerful guy and I would absolutely love to have him here though that probably means keeping Rey at SLB. He's probably a better fit at WILL but we have the prototypical WILL LBer already in Rivers.

Actually a linebacker that I am VERY high on is Eric Norwood. I think if we are gonna draft a LB he would certainly fit in at SLB in our scheme. Plus, hes a natural pass rusher and he actually reminds me of David Pollack in a lot of ways.

Bringing in Reshad would be a hell of a pick up. Hes a play maker who could do wonders on the back end with the CB tandem we've got. Hes also very willing to come up in the run game. His versatility is fitting for a Marvin Lewis type safety.

[Bengals78]

I have announced Reshad Jones as my Rey Maualuga for this draft. The player I will cream myself if we get. And I came damn close to it last year in the second round.

[Clarkpba]

What would you guys think of the Bengals drafting Miron Rolle in the second? If we are talking about high character guys i dont anyone in the draft outside of Tebow who would rate higher. From what everyone is saying he came just flat ripped and has outshown every safety at the senior bowl. Mcshay even said he is playing better now then he did a year ago even though he hasn't been on the field all year. He could be the kind of insperational player the bengals could really use in the locker room.

[Bengals78]

Rolle is not a 2nd round guy. He might be playing well now but his history is not very good. He is limited strictly to SS and even then I think he had problems with pursuit angles and coverage.

[Clarkpba]

Ah it was just a thought. was thinking about the boost to the Character on the team more then his overall play. Allthough I do think he will turn out to be a pretty good pro. May not be a multiple all-pro guy but i think he can contribute very well.

[Bengals78]

That early in the draft you gotta take a guy who you think will be a player who starts and makes the team better right away. We are very close to being there as a team and getting a back up SS in the first few rounds wont help.

[Pat Sims 90]

I have announced Reshad Jones as my Rey Maualuga for this draft. The player I will cream myself if we get. And I came damn close to it last year in the second round.

i have annouched Mardy Gilyard as my Rey Maualuga for this draft after watching the Senior Bowl. He made a lot of big plays down the field and that is what we need.

[Bengals78]

i have annouched Mardy Gilyard as my Rey Maualuga for this draft after watching the Senior Bowl. He made a lot of big plays down the field and that is what we need.

Which is why we trade out of the first, draft both our guys and live happily ever after.

[TACKLE]

How would go feel about the Bengals drafting Iupati at #21?

[themaninblack]

I personally would really like it. He's obviously gonna need some work but the physical tools are all there and his attitude seems right as well. We're in need of a Guard for the future with Bobbie Williams getting up there in age. I also think Bobbie would be a perfect mentor for someone like Iupati.

[Bengals78]

How would go feel about the Bengals drafting Iupati at #21?

i would be pissed,
i would much rather get john jerry later

[Bengalsrocket]

How would go feel about the Bengals drafting Iupati at #21?

Not good, but not bad either. While I believe he would help us win games, I do think there are a lot of other guys that could help us win more games.

The bottom line is the Bengals need to address both defensive back and receiver. If we don't resign bobbie williams then offensive line as a whole does become an issue, but I still wouldn't rank that problem higher than our other current needs.

[Pat Sims 90]

How would go feel about the Bengals drafting Iupati at #21?

Like it was stated in a Mock Draft Are team likes OL that can play mutiple positions i think Iupati is strickly going to be OG after he struggled playing OT at Senior Bowl So i doubt we take him there i think we will either go TE WR LT S with are 1st Round Pick

[crites09]

I think we will take Mardy Gilyard... I know it may seem like a reach but we badly need a playmaker like him so in my mind its not a reach at all... were filling a team need with the bpa for our teams needs not the BPA in the whole draft.

[TACKLE]

What about Brian Price?

[crites09]

What about Brian Price?

I don't think DT is a position we address in the draft this year at all...

Peko, Tank, Sims, Clinton McDonald

[Bengals78]

I don't think DT is a position we address in the draft this year at all...

Peko, Tank, Sims, Clinton McDonald

if we do it will be 3rd round or after

[Pat Sims 90]

What about Brian Price?

DT is one of are deepest Postions expecally if we bring back Tank
I dont think we address this postion if 1st 2 rounds i could see it in 3rd and lower depending on if their is a guy they really like

[SC Igniter]

Trade our 1st to Denver for B Marschal. Dump Coles. This solves WR for us with the big play threat that we need. I wouldn't be surprise if we make a run at him when the trading activity starts up (I think in early March?). Lewis can deal with the headaches.

[Pat Sims 90]

Trade our 1st to Denver for B Marschal. Dump Coles. This solves WR for us with the big play threat that we need. I wouldn't be surprise if we make a run at him when the trading activity starts up (I think in early March?). Lewis can deal with the headaches.

i just cant see Mike giving the money that Marshall wants

[Bengals78]

Marshall wants big bucks and Mike wont pay it for another receiver.
Mike has done a great job but he is still in a mid-size market.

[Clarkpba]

Yea the part that Mike Brown wont pay him and you cant have Marshall and Ocho Cinco in the same locker room. Just wont work from an attitude standpoint.

[themaninblack]

I wouldn't be opposed to a DT in the first because outside of Peko we really don't have a lot. Tank is a nice player but who knows if he'll be back and Sims has been kind of up and down thus far and has dealt with injuries. I would rather see DT addressed than LB. That said, IDK about DT in the first at the moment as I'm pretty set on Mardy.

[Pat Sims 90]

I wouldn't be opposed to a DT in the first because outside of Peko we really don't have a lot. Tank is a nice player but who knows if he'll be back and Sims has been kind of up and down thus far and has dealt with injuries. I would rather see DT addressed than LB. That said, IDK about DT in the first at the moment as I'm pretty set on Mardy.

WR S TE DT DE LB OT these picks would not bother me if we took them in the 1st Round but i think top 3 needs i think we need WR S TE but i dont know how it we will go. If we take a inteior OL in the 1st that is the only thing that would really make me mad that and takin Tebow in the 1st

[Bengals78]

If we make some FA moves, that would really impact us in terms of draft.
But thats a big if.
As long as we resign Bobbie Williams OG will not be a first round need.

[crites09]

I see us going either WR or TE in round 1, those are the only 2 positions I think we will get real value for our team at. DT would be nice but its not as big of a need at WR or TE. I wouldn't mind a S but I don't think any of the top 3 safeties will be available so will pick one up in rounds 2 or 3 depending on whose available at those picks. I really believe those 3 positions will be our first 3 selections followed by OG.

[Pat Sims 90]

I see us going either WR or TE in round 1, those are the only 2 positions I think we will get real value for our team at. DT would be nice but its not as big of a need at WR or TE. I wouldn't mind a S but I don't think any of the top 3 safeties will be available so will pick one up in rounds 2 or 3 depending on whose available at those picks. I really believe those 3 positions will be our first 3 selections followed by OG.

Will most likely go BPA in S WR TE OL DL LB in the 1st. I cant see us taking a TE in 1st 2 rounds Mike has never picked a TE in those 2 rounds and i cant see him picking one

[Bengals78]

I am about settled on wanting out of the 21st pick.
I just dont see value and need there and trading out would be the best option.

[Pat Sims 90]

I am about settled on wanting out of the 21st pick.
I just dont see value and need there and trading out would be the best option.

Unless someone like Earl Thomas drops to us then i would also perfer to trade down and pick up a couple more picks

[crites09]

Will most likely go BPA in S WR TE OL DL LB in the 1st. I cant see us taking a TE in 1st 2 rounds Mike has never picked a TE in those 2 rounds and i cant see him picking one

Mike has been surprising of late though... I mean all the FA moves we made in the last 2 years... that sh*t is whack

[Bengals78]

Unless someone like Earl Thomas drops to us then i would also perfer to trade down and pick up a couple more picks

Thats a big if. lol. but I am there with you.

What if Mays is there?
Im not sold on him as a player, I question his instincts. Now if he is there, to we field options? Because personally I think we could get a King's Ransom if Mays is on the board at 21.

[crites09]

I am about settled on wanting out of the 21st pick.
I just dont see value and need there and trading out would be the best option.

Its so hard to trade out of your pick though.. mind you #21 is around the area say if a QB starts falling teams will trade back into round 1 or move up to grab them before someone else does.. So I guess it's not out of the question but if we do trade our first round pick I want a high 2nd round pick so we can get a WR.

[Bengals78]

I honestly hope some team falls in love with Iupati or someone like that and wants to get him badly.

[crites09]

Thats a big if. lol. but I am there with you.

What if Mays is there?
Im not sold on him as a player, I question his instincts. Now if he is there, to we field options? Because personally I think we could get a King's Ransom if Mays is on the board at 21.

Well it doesn't look like were resigning Roy Williams so if Mays is there I think we take him. I mean look what Zimmer has done with our safeties as is. I think he could make Mays a solid player for us.

[Bengals78]

I just think this year is so deep at S we could sell high on Mays and draft a guy like Reshad Jones, Robert Johnson (2 guys I really like) in the 2nd-3rd rounds and get some extra picks to spend on Guards, DT, DE and positions that arent huge needs but could use upgrading.
I would hope someone the Patriots really like is on the board then so we could shoot for some of their 2nd rounders and load up.

[crites09]

I just think this year is so deep at S we could sell high on Mays and draft a guy like Reshad Jones, Robert Johnson (2 guys I really like) in the 2nd-3rd rounds and get some extra picks to spend on Guards, DT, DE and positions that arent huge needs but could use upgrading.
I would hope someone the Patriots really like is on the board then so we could shoot for some of their 2nd rounders and load up.

That's the same thing I was thinkin about all those 2nd rounders... the only problem I see with NE is that the pick right after us in round 1... So unless they really have a hard on for 2 guys in the first don't count on them trading with us

[Pat Sims 90]

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/Super-update-Chad-lobbies-for-TO/ed6db45d-31f2-4390-b796-24513e64331d

OMG if this i happend i would not root for the Bengals TO is by far the player i hate most in NFL. We just rid of the cancer players in are Locker Room then we would add the biggest one in the NFL

I would take any WR in the Draft over TO

[Bengals78]

My guess is they are just friends (Chad & TO)
and its friendly banter. I would be pissed.

[Bengals78]

Its been a slow day so...

Trade into the early 2nd

2a. Mardy Gilyard WR UC 6-1 187
2b. Reshad Jones FS UGA 6-2 215
3a. Danario Alexander WR Mizzou 6-5 215
3b. Ciron Black OL LSU 6-5 322
3comp. Rennie Curran LB UGA 5-11 225
4. Freddie Barnes WR BGSU 6-0 206
5. Clifton Geathers DE SC 6-8 281
6. Brandon Carter OG TT 6-7 344
7. DeMarcus Granger DT OU 6-2 327

3 WR's?!?!?!? I know right? I think Simpson might be done. Coles is over the hill and done.
Depth: Ocho, Caldwell, Mardy, Danario, Freddie. Quan but mostly returner. So 5 WR/1 RS
I fully would expect Caldwell to fall if he cant fix his fumble issue.
Freddie serves as a TE substitute while we see what we have in Coffman. He has great hands and finds ways to get open. Same with Mardy who could one day take over the lead role.

2 Guards? Well Paul Alexander has been vocal about preferring more versatile lineman. Black is that. He could play LG mainly and if need be sub at LT. Carter would be a great guy to get and work with on his run blocking coming from the pass happy TT offense. (I dont hold pure G in high regards.)

I just see such huge potential in Reshad. He would be a superstar under Zim.
Same with Curran. He could play SLB or even more of a SS in running situations seeing as he is roughly the same size as Roy Williams.

Clifton has amazing size, the great potential is there and hopefully a little sibling rivalry sparks something.

[crites09]

Its been a slow day so...

Trade into the early 2nd

2a. Mardy Gilyard WR UC 6-1 187
2b. Reshad Jones FS UGA 6-2 215
3a. Danario Alexander WR Mizzou 6-5 215
3b. Ciron Black OL LSU 6-5 322
3comp. Rennie Curran LB UGA 5-11 225
4. Freddie Barnes WR BGSU 6-0 206
5. Clifton Geathers DE SC 6-8 281
6. Brandon Carter OG TT 6-7 344
7. DeMarcus Granger DT OU 6-2 327

3 WR's?!?!?!? I know right? I think Simpson might be done. Coles is over the hill and done.
Depth: Ocho, Caldwell, Mardy, Danario, Freddie. Quan but mostly returner. So 5 WR/1 RS
I fully would expect Caldwell to fall if he cant fix his fumble issue.
Freddie serves as a TE substitute while we see what we have in Coffman. He has great hands and finds ways to get open. Same with Mardy who could one day take over the lead role.

2 Guards? Well Paul Alexander has been vocal about preferring more versatile lineman. Black is that. He could play LG mainly and if need be sub at LT. Carter would be a great guy to get and work with on his run blocking coming from the pass happy TT offense. (I dont hold pure G in high regards.)

I just see such huge potential in Reshad. He would be a superstar under Zim.
Same with Curran. He could play SLB or even more of a SS in running situations seeing as he is roughly the same size as Roy Williams.

Clifton has amazing size, the great potential is there and hopefully a little sibling rivalry sparks something.

I don't think we will go 3 WR's, that is a little much especially if we have 3 rookie WRs in the line up... There has been some rookies to make impacts in their first year but it isn't common. So I don't see us putting 3 rookies in at WR out of 6..

[Bengals78]

I don't think we will go 3 WR's, that is a little much especially if we have 3 rookie WRs in the line up... There has been some rookies to make impacts in their first year but it isn't common. So I don't see us putting 3 rookies in at WR out of 6..

Couldnt be worse than Coles/Simpson

[crites09]

Well it could be if they couldn't beat them out in camp... I'm not a huge fan of Coles but I still give him the benefit of the doubt that he can play and that he had a bad year...

[Bengals78]

I quit giving benefits of the doubt out.
Coles sucked. No two ways around it. I would rather be prepared than caught with our pants down again. And who knows how long Ocho is gonna be around. IF we win the big one, would he retire and do OCNN full time? lol.

[Pat Sims 90]

I made this Mock Draft Based on New England Givin Us 2 2nd Round Picks for our 1st Round Pick

2a. Mardy Gilyard WR UC Would be a fan Fav and Just what we need at WR

2b. Greg Hardy DE Ole Miss I think Mike will Fall in Love with Hardy and i think Hardy Brings a much need Pass Rush and i think could mainly play in a roatation with Geathers then put Odom inside and Michael Johnson on outside on 3rd Downs "Drool"

2c. Reshad Jones S UG Brings that Playmaking ability that we need at S

3. John Jerry OG Ole Miss Jerry could be Future LG or RG IMO I really like Shirley Future at G i think Shirley will be RG and Jerry can play LG

3 Comp Rennie Curran OLB UG Will Fall because of his Size but Curran is a beast in Coverage This would give the ability to Move Maualuga to the Inside

4.Colin Peek TE Alabama Peek is a proven Blocker and a decent Pass Catcher Team him with Coffman and we will be set at TE

5.DeMarcus Granger DT OK Big Body to add to DT roation was overshadowed by McCoy at OK

6.Hunter Lawrence K Texas Lawrence was pretty clutch at Texas and has a decent leg would be a upgrade over Graham

7.Richie Brockel FB Boise State Johnson wore down the strech and not sold on Fui as a Blocker Brockel will give us a decent size Run Blocker

What Do you think?

[Bengals78]

I would do naughty things to that draft.
My only problem is: OUR is the possessive term :P

[Pat Sims 90]

I would do naughty things to that draft.
My only problem is: OUR is the possessive term :P

lol my bad i dont proof read anything before i post i fixed it :)

[Bengals78]

Proof....I could do this all day...lol jk.

[Pat Sims 90]

Proof....I could do this all day...lol jk.

Srry i Fail i will just stop posting Now

[crites09]

Great idea trading our pick with NE but very highly unlikely that it would happen... ever. They hold the pick right after us at #22. If they really like a guy they may trade up further into the 1st round maybe. But I guess you never know if they really like 2 guys in round 1 maybe they throw 2 2nd rounders at somebody

[Pat Sims 90]

Great idea trading our pick with NE but very highly unlikely that it would happen... ever. They hold the pick right after us at #22. If they really like a guy they may trade up further into the 1st round maybe. But I guess you never know if they really like 2 guys in round 1 maybe they throw 2 2nd rounders at somebody

It was a situation were i had CJ Spillar Falling to them they take him with the 21st pick then they draft a 3-4 OLB with the 22nd pick. Yea it was just a situation i would like to happenend but i doubt it will it was just for fun

[crites09]

It was a situation were i had CJ Spillar Falling to them they take him with the 21st pick then they draft a 3-4 OLB with the 22nd pick. Yea it was just a situation i would like to happenend but i doubt it will it was just for fun

Ok, yea that would a dream scenario haha... CJ Spiller and Jerry Hughes fall to #21 and the Pats scramble and give us two 2nd rounders... I would love that too

[hobbes2053]

Not to mention the Pats are one of the best at trading out of the first and getting good players at a lower cost (i.e., last year).

[crites09]

Say Jonathan Dwyer fell to us in round 2... what would you guys think about picking him up?

[Pat Sims 90]

Say Jonathan Dwyer fell to us in round 2... what would you guys think about picking him up?

I would not want us to adress RB at all in the draft unless we knew Benson is gone after this year. I liked what Scott did last year and Leonard made too many plays to not keep him.

[hobbes2053]

If we even think about RB, especially early, I'll be pissed. There's really no need for us to waste a pick on one when we have a fairly nice looking three-headed monster. I'm interested to see how Scott develops after a full year of training with the team.

[PalmerToCJ]

I'm not sold on Scott being an every down type back. I like his current role but wouldn't want him manning the load if Benson went down. I love Leonard but we know he's a passing situation type RB.

The shelf life on RB's is so short, I'm never against adding depth at the position. Rudi goes for 1450 yards in '05-'06 then he was done in '07-'08. Plus, as I said. I like Scott just not sold he can be an every down type back. If a RB they liked fell to the 2nd, I wouldn't be against it at all. Granted, with Marvin almost exclusively relying on Benson to carry the ball it wouldn't allow much of a two headed monster to happen.

[crites09]

I'm just worried about how hard we work Benson... We don't utilize our 3 headed monster very well. The only time Scott seemed to see the field was when Benson was hurt. Hopefully we see more of Scott though this year.

[themaninblack]

I'm really big on Bernard Scott, I believe he can handle the workload and be an every down type of back for the future. We could probably get at least two more solid years out of Benson as well. The only RB I feel wouldn't be an inefficient use of an early pick is CJ Spiller.

[StripedWalrus]

I'm really big on Bernard Scott, I believe he can handle the workload and be an every down type of back for the future. We could probably get at least two more solid years out of Benson as well. The only RB I feel wouldn't be an inefficient use of an early pick is CJ Spiller.

This isnt the best RB draft, thats for sure. So I don't really see a RB worth drafting high. I like Scott and want to see what he can do but I don't think he will ever be a full time back.

[Bengals78]

spiller is the only RB i look at in this draft personally.
i like some up coming drafts better. 2011 & 2012

[bengalbuck]

I like a few of the RBs in the mid-rounds. Like Hardesty from Tennesse and Dixon from Mississippi State. If one of those guys slid to our 3rd round comp or to the 4th round, I wouldn't mind it.

Benson is only under contract for 2010 and that's it. If he has another big year, he is going to want big money and a long term deal. I wouldn't be totally opposed to that but it is pretty risky if he gets another 350 carries this year. That's a lot of pounding to take.

It would be nice to have another option so we'd have more bargaining power with Ced.

All that being said, there are much bigger needs at positions like WR, TE, S, and some other spots so it is somewhat a luxury pick. Or one of those things where the guy would have to be the best player on the Bengals board by a big margin.

[crites09]

The more I watch Demaryius Thomas the more I want him on our team... I think he plays a lot like Andre Johnson. If he runs a fast 40 I think we should take him in round 1 because he will not be there when pick in the second round. He is 6'3 229, that's the exact mold that Andre Johnson is and sure if may not be a return guy but he is a playmaker and that is something we need badly. He is has shot up to be my favourite WR that will available when we pick

[Bengals78]

The more I watch Demaryius Thomas the more I want him on our team... I think he plays a lot like Andre Johnson. If he runs a fast 40 I think we should take him in round 1 because he will not be there when pick in the second round. He is 6'3 229, that's the exact mold that Andre Johnson is and sure if may not be a return guy but he is a playmaker and that is something we need badly. He is has shot up to be my favourite WR that will available when we pick

Wow. I doubt we should in the first but may I suggest my trading out of the 1st and getting an early 2nd to take him.

[Pat Sims 90]

The more I watch Demaryius Thomas the more I want him on our team... I think he plays a lot like Andre Johnson. If he runs a fast 40 I think we should take him in round 1 because he will not be there when pick in the second round. He is 6'3 229, that's the exact mold that Andre Johnson is and sure if may not be a return guy but he is a playmaker and that is something we need badly. He is has shot up to be my favourite WR that will available when we pick

I have not seen enough of him in a "real offense" to give a real true judgement on him but i think he is a 2nd or 3rd rounder right now. If he has a good combine and good workouts i think he could slip into the 1st Round. Right now the only WRs i think that are worth 1st Rounders without Combine and workouts is Bryant, Benn, and Tate
Really i dont care what who we get in 1st i would like us to adress WR TE or S but u never know

[themaninblack]

I really came away impressed with DT every time I got to watch him. He certainly is a big target that we could use.

[crites09]

Wow. I doubt we should in the first but may I suggest my trading out of the 1st and getting an early 2nd to take him.

That's what I would ideally want to do too, but can't assume that we can trade out of round 1.

I have not seen enough of him in a "real offense" to give a real true judgement on him but i think he is a 2nd or 3rd rounder right now. If he has a good combine and good workouts i think he could slip into the 1st Round. Right now the only WRs i think that are worth 1st Rounders without Combine and workouts is Bryant, Benn, and Tate

Yea right now he isn't a first rounder but we have seen through past years athletes that have real good combines shoot up boards like crazy. He has size that would wow people if he say ran a 4.3 40-yard dash. As long as he does well in all drills I can see his draft stock climbing fast.

[Bengals78]

That's what I would ideally want to do too, but can't assume that we can trade out of round 1.



Yea right now he isn't a first rounder but we have seen through past years athletes that have real good combines shoot up boards like crazy. He has size that would wow people if he say ran a 4.3 40-yard dash. As long as he does well in all drills I can see his draft stock climbing fast.

Personally I will be more interest in his cone drill times.
If he runs those good and shows he has fluid hip movement for a big guy, means he will have less trouble becoming more than just a vertical threat guy and could be a true #2

[crites09]

http://www.bengals.com/news/article-1/AFC-arms-buildup/4cd71275-163c-4474-87c1-145f807455a6

Looks like someone else thinks we should take Thomas in round 1 :)

Well apparently he broke his foot... lets take him with our 3rd round comp pick then

[redbills]

hey guys I have the Bengals on a fourm mock, i traded pick 21 for 24 and 87. Going to draft a WR like Tate i think then a S like Chad Jones or Nate Allen. Can you guy give me your top 5 nees or so? thanks

Draft so far

1 - St. Louis Rams - Ndamukong Suh - DT - Nebraska
2 - Detroit Lions - Gerald McCoy - DT - Oklahoma
3 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Eric Berry - S - Tennessee
4 - Washington Redskins - Russell Okung - OT - Oklahoma State
5 - Kansas City Chiefs - Anthony Davis - OT - Rutgers
6 - Seattle Seahawks - Jimmy Clausen - QB - Notre Dame
7 - Cleveland Browns - Joe Haden - CB - Florida
8 - Oakland Raiders - Carlos Dunlap - DE - Florida
9 - Buffalo Bills - Rolando McClain - LB - Alabama
10 - Jacksonville Jaguars - Derrick Morgan - DE - Georgia Tech
11 - Denver Broncos - (f/CHI) - Dez Bryant - WR - Oklahoma State
12 - Miami Dolphins - Dan Williams - DT - Tennessee
13 - San Francisco 49ers - C.J Spiller - RB - Clemson
14 - Seattle Seahawks - (f/DEN) - Bryan Bulaga - OT - Iowa
15 - New York Giants - Brian Price - DT - UCLA
16 - Tennessee Titans - Jason Pierre-Paul - DE - South Florida
17 - San Francisco 49ers - (f/CAR) - Trent Williams - OT -Oklahoma
18 - Pittsburgh Steelers - Earl Thomas - S - Texas
19 - Atlanta Falcons - Kyle Wilson - CB - Boise State

[Bengals78]

hey guys I have the Bengals on a fourm mock, i traded pick 21 for 24 and 87. Going to draft a WR like Tate i think then a S like Chad Jones or Nate Allen. Can you guy give me your top 5 nees or so? thanks

Draft so far

1 - St. Louis Rams - Ndamukong Suh - DT - Nebraska
2 - Detroit Lions - Gerald McCoy - DT - Oklahoma
3 - Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Eric Berry - S - Tennessee
4 - Washington Redskins - Russell Okung - OT - Oklahoma State
5 - Kansas City Chiefs - Anthony Davis - OT - Rutgers
6 - Seattle Seahawks - Jimmy Clausen - QB - Notre Dame
7 - Cleveland Browns - Joe Haden - CB - Florida
8 - Oakland Raiders - Carlos Dunlap - DE - Florida
9 - Buffalo Bills - Rolando McClain - LB - Alabama
10 - Jacksonville Jaguars - Derrick Morgan - DE - Georgia Tech
11 - Denver Broncos - (f/CHI) - Dez Bryant - WR - Oklahoma State
12 - Miami Dolphins - Dan Williams - DT - Tennessee
13 - San Francisco 49ers - C.J Spiller - RB - Clemson
14 - Seattle Seahawks - (f/DEN) - Bryan Bulaga - OT - Iowa
15 - New York Giants - Brian Price - DT - UCLA
16 - Tennessee Titans - Jason Pierre-Paul - DE - South Florida
17 - San Francisco 49ers - (f/CAR) - Trent Williams - OT -Oklahoma
18 - Pittsburgh Steelers - Earl Thomas - S - Texas
19 - Atlanta Falcons - Kyle Wilson - CB - Boise State

I think we will go BPA. As long as it serves value. I mean QB is out and things like OLine too.

Tate and Gresham are the only 1st rounders I see there I like that would be available.

If Gresham is gone, IDK if I personally would too upset with just going BPA.

How many rounds is this?

[redbills]

3 rounds but we might do more if people don't miss their picks

[Bengals78]

WR, S, TE
but they dont need to be addressed in that order.

I really like Reshad Jones and Demaryius Thomas as possible second and third rounders.

[redbills]

Yea was thinking R1-Tate, R2-C.Jones/N.Allen, R3-(2 picks) J.Jerry, BPA/TE

[Bengals78]

I would be absolutely OK with that. I like Reshad Jones a lot too
If you go Nate Allen in the second, and Reshad is there in the 3rd, I would be ok with both myself. Nate - FS Reshad - SS.
And if you got John Jerry too, I would **** bricks of happiness

[Clarkpba]

I would rather see Benn over Tate in the first as a WR. He has the size and speed combo thats lacking that Tate wont fill. Tate is no different then all the WR's on the team now except he is younger.

[Bengals78]

I would rather see Benn over Tate in the first as a WR. He has the size and speed combo thats lacking that Tate wont fill. Tate is no different then all the WR's on the team now except he is younger.

Tate is a lot different
Benn has questionable hands. I like his size and all but I think he will require more work than Tate.

Tate is thickly built unlike any of our guys.
He has shown great hands and great skills for YAC.
No one outside Chad showed that.

[PalmerToCJ]

I'm all about a safety... Just not sure they'll be willing to go that route in the 1st 3 rounds. Granted, there aren't much for glaring needs for once so maybe it would allow them to pull the trigger.

[Bengals78]

I'm all about a safety... Just not sure they'll be willing to go that route in the 1st 3 rounds. Granted, there aren't much for glaring needs for once so maybe it would allow them to pull the trigger.

This year's draft needs to be mostly finding guys who will be starters in a few years.
We wont find our answers on offense this year in the draft. We need an established WR opposite Ocho.
We can build talent and depth on defense which is why I am more comfortable going defense more often because I trust Zimmer to make what we give him work for him.

The offense needs established players.