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dregolll
10-01-2009, 09:47 PM
Matt Barkley is great looking prospect, with the size, and armstrength that projects to the next level, which QB in the NFL or former QB does he remind you of? This is from a physical standpoint. For me it is Troy Aikman. The armstrength, release is classic Aikman. Your thoughts.
CC.SD
10-01-2009, 10:30 PM
Matt Barkley is great looking prospect, with the size, and armstrength that projects to the next level, which QB in the NFL or former QB does he remind you of? This is from a physical standpoint. For me it is Troy Aikman. The armstrength, release is classic Aikman. Your thoughts.

I want to say Carson really badly, and he can get there, but Stafford is probably a better comp at this point.
ElectricEye
10-01-2009, 10:32 PM
He does oddly resemble Matt Stafford at this point in his career. I think the guys at USC are much better at developing quarterbacks, so I'm willing to bet Barkley will end up being a much better prospect.
BuddyCHRIST
10-01-2009, 11:46 PM
Does he have Stafford arm strength? Its hard to tell right now because he hasn't been asked to do a whole lot. But obviously he's got a great build and seems to be pretty smart and starting in a pro style offense for atleast 3 years won't hurt when he comes out.
ElectricEye
10-01-2009, 11:52 PM
Does he have Stafford arm strength? Its hard to tell right now because he hasn't been asked to do a whole lot. But obviously he's got a great build and seems to be pretty smart and starting in a pro style offense for atleast 3 years won't hurt when he comes out.

The billing on him is that he does have that type of arm. I've only seen him twice and he did make a couple(literally) of deep throws and had really great zip on all his throws.
wonderbredd24
10-01-2009, 11:57 PM
Everything I've heard is that while he has a sufficient arm, he does not have an overwhelmingly big arm like Stafford and makes up for it with his brain

From that standpoint, a prettier version of Bernie Kosar
ToldLikeItIs
10-02-2009, 01:47 AM
He's only 6'2, and about 225.

To me he accurately resembles Brady Quinn, with a bigger arm and less mobility.
Race for the Heisman
10-02-2009, 11:36 AM
Jimmy Clausen. Will justify as necessary.
GhostDeini
10-02-2009, 11:53 AM
Barkley is nothing like Palmer. Same college jersey means nothing. Palmer is an above average NFL QB but he is a sitting duck back there. Barkley has tools to be better on roll outs and might get some 1st downs with his feet as last resort. At this point he looks like Stafford w/o the RIDICULOUS arm strength but it's too early to tell since he hasn't been asked to throw downfield much.
YAYareaRB
10-02-2009, 12:52 PM
Barkley is nothing like Palmer. Same college jersey means nothing. Palmer is an above average NFL QB but he is a sitting duck back there. Barkley has tools to be better on roll outs and might get some 1st downs with his feet as last resort. At this point he looks like Stafford w/o the RIDICULOUS arm strength but it's too early to tell since he hasn't been asked to throw downfield much.

Couldn't agree with you more.
Babylon
10-02-2009, 01:16 PM
Everything I've heard is that while he has a sufficient arm, he does not have an overwhelmingly big arm like Stafford and makes up for it with his brain

From that standpoint, a prettier version of Bernie Kosar

Bernie Kosar? come on. Let's keep in mind he's just turned 19 and has a banged up shoulder. I would put him on a par at the same stage with Stafford. The velocity may not be Stafford's by his junior year but it will still be in the elite class at the NFL level.

As for the Aikman comparison, Troy was trying to run the wishbone at OU as a freshman so let's see how it plays out.
wonderbredd24
10-02-2009, 01:27 PM
Bernie Kosar? come on. Let's keep in mind he's just turned 19 and has a banged up shoulder. I would put him on a par at the same stage with Stafford. The velocity may not be Stafford's by his junior year but it will still be in the elite class at the NFL level.

As for the Aikman comparison, Troy was trying to run the wishbone at OU as a freshman so let's see how it plays out.

Why is suggesting he looks like a quarterback who won a national championship as a freshman a bad thing?

It may not have looked good when he did it, but Bernie got it done, especially in college.
Babylon
10-02-2009, 01:32 PM
Why is suggesting he looks like a quarterback who won a national championship as a freshman a bad thing?

It may not have looked good when he did it, but Bernie got it done, especially in college.

Your post started with he doesnt have an overwhelminly strong arm and ended with a comparison to Bernie Kosar, that to me sounds like you're comparing their arm strength. Nothing is being said about what Bernie did while at the U.
ElectricEye
10-02-2009, 01:54 PM
Why is suggesting he looks like a quarterback who won a national championship as a freshman a bad thing?

It may not have looked good when he did it, but Bernie got it done, especially in college.

Barkley does look good when he does it and has at least twice the arm Kosar had. That's the difference. Horrible comparison.
wonderbredd24
10-02-2009, 01:56 PM
Your post started with he doesnt have an overwhelminly strong arm and ended with a comparison to Bernie Kosar, that to me sounds like you're comparing their arm strength. Nothing is being said about what Bernie did while at the U.

How about Rivers then?

Mel Kiper actually compared Rivers to Kosar when he came out. Rivers has a good arm

But the biggest attribute Barkley brings to the table from everything I've heard is his intelligence. Kosar and Rivers had that
ElectricEye
10-02-2009, 01:59 PM
How about Rivers then?

Mel Kiper actually compared Rivers to Kosar when he came out. Rivers has a good arm

But the biggest attribute Barkley brings to the table from everything I've heard is his intelligence. Kosar and Rivers had that

Again, you're thinking small arm quarterbacks. Everything that's been said on Barkley is that he's a big arm guy. You can see the velocity when he throws. Read his profiles. You have to take people who evaluate high school talent with a grain of salt, but they usually don't miss on basic things like straightline speed and arm strength.
wonderbredd24
10-02-2009, 02:02 PM
Everything I heard was that Barkley, while having a good arm, does not have an elite arm, but what seperated him from the pack was his football IQ.
ElectricEye
10-02-2009, 02:03 PM
Everything I heard was that Barkley, while having a good arm, does not have an elite arm, but what seperated him from the pack was his football IQ.

Where have you heard that from? I'm curious about how a perception like that that's so against everything we heard about him when he was being recruited could manifest itself so quickly.
wonderbredd24
10-02-2009, 02:06 PM
Where have you heard that from? I'm curious about how a perception like that that's so against everything we heard about him when he was being recruited could manifest itself so quickly.

ESPN analyzing USC before the season and Matt Barkley during the competition for the starting QB spot and after he was picked.
ElectricEye
10-02-2009, 02:09 PM
That's funny because I've heard the people on Game Day consistently talk about how good his arm strength is. A few recruiting sites had him ranked number one amongst recruits last year in terms of arm strength
Babylon
10-02-2009, 02:19 PM
He had a rocky senior year, supposedly all new receivers but really got it back together at the Army Bowl (think that's what they call it).Arm isnt a problem with this guy, he can zing it 70 yds without a problem and had nice touch on his deep balls against WSU. Can't nitpick a few MPH when you have an above average arm. He's going to be a top pick in 3 years.
FUNBUNCHER
10-02-2009, 04:07 PM
He had a rocky senior year, supposedly all new receivers but really got it back together at the Army Bowl (think that's what they call it).Arm isnt a problem with this guy, he can zing it 70 yds without a problem and had nice touch on his deep balls against WSU. Can't nitpick a few MPH when you have an above average arm. He's going to be a top pick in 3 years.

He SHOULD be a top three pick, but we'll have to wait and see. I still remember how Carson Palmer was an alltime bust for USC until his senior year being coached by Norm Chow.
It's still too early to say what Matt Barkley is or will be as a QB. The kid for Michigan right now looks like a much better college QB, IMO.
Staubach12
10-02-2009, 04:33 PM
I know throwing around comparisons like this is generally stupid, but maybe a poor man's Peyton Manning. Good arm but not out of this world, great accuracy, incredible football IQ, good mechanics, and both are true pocket passers that can also move well in the pocket and be effective outside the pocket. I'm not saying this guy is going to be one of the best QBs to ever play the game, I'm just saying that from a standpoint of tools and IQ, they're similar. Obviously it's not a perfect comparison, though, and I'm not claiming that. Manning had stiffer competition in the SEC while Barkley may take some flack come draft time for not having to play a lot of elite teams, Manning's taller, and Manning succeeded without a great coach, while Barkley is playing for one of the best college coaches of the era if not of all time.
SenorGato
10-03-2009, 01:44 AM
Jimmy Clausen. Will justify as necessary.

I'm going to have to +1 this.

Question: Sanchez or Clausen?
ElectricEye
10-03-2009, 01:48 AM
Question: Sanchez or Clausen?

I think Clausen has more long term upside, but Sanchez is just so good so early. I would say it's almost dead even in terms of long term projections.
KCJ58
10-03-2009, 02:12 AM
funny i was having this discussion with some of my friends and they said Brady Quinn & I said Stafford, it was 3 against 2, anyway I'm glad to read to this and most people are on the stafford side
JT Jag
10-03-2009, 11:17 AM
He looks exactly like Clausen to me, at this point.
Babylon
10-03-2009, 11:41 AM
He looks exactly like Clausen to me, at this point.

He's ahead of Clausen at a similar stage but in Jimmy's defense he had a poor O-line in front of him. Barkley to me is physically superior to JC and has a better arm. Not to knock one guy to make a case for the other but i'll take Barkley in the long run.
Race for the Heisman
10-04-2009, 02:57 PM
I'm going to have to +1 this.

Question: Sanchez or Clausen?

Sanchez. I was for picking him over Stafford last year (I know I wasn't the only one, but I was that high on him). Sanchez was just infinitely polished even if he did have the experience question. Now I love Clausen and I think he and Sanchez will ultimately have similar grades, but between the two, it has to be Sanchez.