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S4L
10-01-2009, 11:37 PM
I know we had a nice thread going with the Beijing Olympics last year, but I'm excited for today, since the IOC decides who will host the 2016 Olympics.

For Olympic newbies, the four finalists to host are Chicago, Rio de Janeiro, Madrid, and Tokyo.

I know there are a lot of Chicagoans out there, so what does SWDC think about the vote today?

Rob S
10-01-2009, 11:39 PM
I hope Chicago wins for US pride, but I think the other three are good choices as well.......except maybe Rio.....its a bit dangerous/dirty.

Giantsfan1080
10-01-2009, 11:43 PM
I'm sensing Madrid. No idea why.

WMD
10-01-2009, 11:55 PM
If not Chicago, I hope Rio gets it.

Todd Bertuzzi
10-01-2009, 11:56 PM
Only olympics that matter are Vancouver 2010.

fischbowl
10-02-2009, 12:00 AM
Only olympics that matter are Vancouver 2010.

Damned Straight Todd Me Boy!

Barcelona had the 1992 Olympics so I do doubt Spain gets it again so soon. My money is on Rio, even though the risks involved are high, there hasn't been games on the South American continent

brat316
10-02-2009, 12:04 AM
It'll probably be Rio, they have more than enough time to get things straight for the olympics.

dabears10
10-02-2009, 12:18 AM
Let's Go Chicago! I would be extremely happy. Many Chicagoans do not trust Daley or the State government. All that aside it will be good stimulus and be a lot of fun going to events, if I stay in Chicago.

Giantsfan1080
10-02-2009, 12:28 AM
Damned Straight Todd Me Boy!

Barcelona had the 1992 Olympics so I do doubt Spain gets it again so soon. My money is on Rio, even though the risks involved are high, there hasn't been games on the South American continent

Atlanta and Salt Lake City had it within a 10 year period.

fischbowl
10-02-2009, 12:41 AM
Atlanta and Salt Lake City had it within a 10 year period.

That was different as one was a summer and one was a winter. Then again, you could make the Lake Placid/Salt Lake argument....

iowatreat54
10-02-2009, 12:44 AM
What is it, less than an hour until presentations start? I think Chicago is first...

I really hope Chicago gets it. If they don't, it's going to be Rio. Tokyo has no chance, and Madrid could be a darkhorse but there really has only been talks of Chicago and Rio.

Rosebud
10-02-2009, 12:44 AM
Let's Go Chicago! I would be extremely happy. Many Chicagoans do not trust Daley or the State government. All that aside it will be good stimulus and be a lot of fun going to events, if I stay in Chicago.

That has yet to be seen, there are enough examples of cities incurring massive debts in preparation for an Olympic Games that they were unable to re-coup thanks to the games themselves, in which case it wouldn't be anything but a redistribution of wealth. That said if the finances work in the city's favor I'd love to see the games back in the USA.

awfullyquiet
10-02-2009, 05:26 AM
That has yet to be seen, there are enough examples of cities incurring massive debts in preparation for an Olympic Games that they were unable to re-coup thanks to the games themselves, in which case it wouldn't be anything but a redistribution of wealth. That said if the finances work in the city's favor I'd love to see the games back in the USA.

It'd be good for the city by adding massive transit infrastructure that we desperately need. So, massive debt or not, as long as the plan is to build more mass transit, create more green space, and bring in construction jobs, i'm okay with that. It also has been proven to open international trade more. Which is ALWAYS a plus. We could sell more beanie babies.

That said:

Oddsmakers say Chicago is the favourite, with Rio being in second. Madrid and Tokyo both will probably NOT get it.

no bare feet
10-02-2009, 08:15 AM
Olympics in Chicago, really? Do they have ther appropriate facilities to hold the Olympics theire or they gonna raise taxes to build a 5.8 billion dollar Olympic facility that will be used for few weeks? I scan see the numerous scandals already. How did the Olympics fair in Salt Lake?

JFLO
10-02-2009, 09:26 AM
My money is on Chicago

However, aside from my patriotism, I think it would be interesting to see them in Madrid.

wordofi
10-02-2009, 09:32 AM
I want them to be be in Rio. I don't want to pay for the Chicago 2016 Olympics.

iowatreat54
10-02-2009, 09:33 AM
My money is on Chicago

However, aside from my patriotism, I think it would be interesting to see them in Madrid.

I think Madrid would be sweet, but I think they will stay away from giving the Summer Olympics to Europe twice in a row.

Also, I'm really pumped for the 2010 games and idk why. I think Vancouver is going to be fantastic.

drowe
10-02-2009, 09:56 AM
Chicago or bust. really hope it works out. 2016 is a long way away, but i heard they'd have some events (likely cycling) in the Madison, WI area. Not saying I'd be able to make it down there, but having the option would mostly kick ass.

YAYareaRB
10-02-2009, 10:01 AM
I want Chicago!

This is also the place where they vote in Rugby or Gold into the olympics right? LETS GO RUGBY LETS GO!!!

dabears10
10-02-2009, 10:05 AM
Chicago or bust. really hope it works out. 2016 is a long way away, but i heard they'd have some events (likely cycling) in the Madison, WI area. Not saying I'd be able to make it down there, but having the option would mostly kick ass.

Yes Cycling would be in Madison. I watched the presentation last night and supposedly they claim that the cyclist will have any easy transit to Chicago from Madison to watch the other games. It made me chuckle. Also, the Shooting events are an hour outside the city as well.

the dude
10-02-2009, 10:25 AM
wow chicago got the least votes

dabears10
10-02-2009, 10:26 AM
wow chicago got the least votes

Couldn't you have pulled strings! You are there!

Yeah I am really surprised that Chicago got bounced real early.

Giantsfan1080
10-02-2009, 10:28 AM
I didn't think they would be 4th. Weird.

iowatreat54
10-02-2009, 10:39 AM
Oh well. Chicago isn't going to be bidding again anytime soon.

For those of you not in the area, watching the Chicago news is hilarious. They have basically stopped reporting the vote and talked about all the people being sad. Like, there are people who are depressed and are saying they will be in pain for a while because of this. It's hilarious.

drowe
10-02-2009, 10:48 AM
Oh well. Chicago isn't going to be bidding again anytime soon.

For those of you not in the area, watching the Chicago news is hilarious. They have basically stopped reporting the vote and talked about all the people being sad. Like, there are people who are depressed and are saying they will be in pain for a while because of this. It's hilarious.

haha.

Chicago: finding new and exciting ways to fail at sports since 1908.

JFLO
10-02-2009, 10:52 AM
Personally, I would rather see it in Madrid, but it will probably end up at Rio.

On Chicago getting eliminated first, I really can't say that I'm surprised. I don't think the US will get to be a host city for till at least 2020 or 2024. It's going to be a longtime, to many distractions and conflicts.

iowatreat54
10-02-2009, 10:53 AM
I honestly don't think the US puts in a bid until at least the 2024 games, prolly not even then imo.

I would rather Madrid get it, but the one bonus if Rio gets it is that there won't be much of a time zone difference from most of the US. So that means no lame delayed tapings.

diabsoule
10-02-2009, 10:59 AM
Since I first heard of the nominated cities I was wanting Rio De Janeiro to get it.

P-L
10-02-2009, 11:09 AM
There were actually a lot of people from Chicago who didn't want to get the bid. It really didn't make sense from an economic standpoint either, but that's a debate for another time and another place.

awfullyquiet
10-02-2009, 11:26 AM
There were actually a lot of people from Chicago who didn't want to get the bid. It really didn't make sense from an economic standpoint either, but that's a debate for another time and another place.

last poll was 65%, which was 20% more than tokyo (for favorablity)...

all my friends are harping excitement. i'm sad because that screws over international business

iowatreat54
10-02-2009, 11:30 AM
I think it's funny that the media are reporting that Chicago rumored to have been voted out because of concerns with corruption and crime.

I guess that means Rio won't get it either... :rolleyes:

Saints 4 Lyfe
10-02-2009, 11:56 AM
what were the odds makers smoking?

Gay Ork Wang
10-02-2009, 11:56 AM
imo it was kinda obvious that it went to Rio

yodabear
10-02-2009, 12:00 PM
Yeah, um, I am glad Rio won if Chicago didn't. Europe has the 2012 in London, so there went Madrid. One Tokyo higher up said they wanted the 2016 Olympics cuz they would be the last olympics ever because of global warming, so I am glad Tokyo didn't get it. And South America has never had them. My first choice woulda been my patriotic choice in Chicago, but Rio woulda been my second.

brat316
10-02-2009, 01:48 PM
ahhaha, your glad Tokyo didn't get it because some guy mention global warming. I would take Tokyo's word for it, they are much more technologically advanced, and put time, money and research into those things.

While our government doesn't really to much into any issues, they rather let people do their own research.

Brent
10-02-2009, 01:50 PM
There were actually a lot of people from Chicago who didn't want to get the bid. It really didn't make sense from an economic standpoint either, but that's a debate for another time and another place.
Post-Olympic studies show it's a negative economic/environmental effect on a city to host the games.

awfullyquiet
10-02-2009, 02:16 PM
Post-Olympic studies show it's a negative economic/environmental effect on a city to host the games.

1984: Los Angeles Olympic Games made profits of US $250 million.

1988: Seoul Olympic Games made profits of US $300 million, a record high for a government-run Olympiad.

1992: Barcelona Olympic Games made profits of US $5 million.

1996: Atlanta Olympic Games made profits of US $10 million.

1932: Los Angeles made profits of $1 million

YAYareaRB
10-02-2009, 02:51 PM
Does anyone know if they included Rugby or not?

nrk
10-02-2009, 02:58 PM
1984: Los Angeles Olympic Games made profits of US $250 million.

1988: Seoul Olympic Games made profits of US $300 million, a record high for a government-run Olympiad.

1992: Barcelona Olympic Games made profits of US $5 million.

1996: Atlanta Olympic Games made profits of US $10 million.

1932: Los Angeles made profits of $1 million

And Montreal, Barecelona, Sydney, and Athens all lost money from it.

sweetness34
10-02-2009, 03:02 PM
I'm actually glad we didn't get the games. I'm going to school in Chicago right now and there were a lot of people who didn't want the games because of variables outside the Olympics.

Without getting political there were many who were worried about the political corruption in Chicago, making tax payers cover the expenses (when the estimate for all the building was exceeded), cleaning up our streets (we are the most violent city in the country from what I understand), we have the highest tax rates in the country, and our CTA system isn't functioning properly.

I understand that it's still 7 years down the road and we have plenty of time to fix some of those things but with the economy hurting I think it was the right decision to not let us host. My dorm is right off Michigan Avenue and there was a huge march this morning in support of the bid. It was quite entertaining to see people crying after we were eliminated..

awfullyquiet
10-02-2009, 03:06 PM
ew... rio. i wonder where they'll ship all the poor people to, so that they don't ugly up the city during the games. security ought to be entertaining as well. too bad south america couldn't have put up a decent city for the games.

aq - i think you can add SLC to the above list, although iirc, the effects were all post-games, rather than the games having made that much money.

i wouldn't doubt it.

really, the potential to make money is ridiculous, if you don't pull a beijing and spend a trillion (i was going to say a billion, but they already spent a billion plus, so much for hyperbole), or don't have almost 100k security guards (like athens did). Seoul did a bang up job and made South Korea a real place of business (like now), by bringing international tourism, building relationships, and then using their strength and newfound connections to make ****... When people say they don't make money, i don't expect the events to be immediate, but, if you look at long term growth post-olympics, like in Atlanta... Atlanta 20 years ago to Atlanta today is night and day, and they're not 'really' in the red more than any other are is these days.

meh.

literally, my inbox is exploding with people saying, i'm so glad, i'm so glad, we dodged a bullet.

hell. the IOC would have made a killing by hosting it in the US. viewership would go up like 40% or so. making the price of advertising go up, and the IOC's pockets even fatter.

awfullyquiet
10-02-2009, 03:17 PM
Without getting political there were many who were worried about the political corruption in Chicago, making tax payers cover the expenses (when the estimate for all the building was exceeded), cleaning up our streets (we are the most violent city in the country from what I understand), we have the highest tax rates in the country, and our CTA system isn't functioning properly.

Quick rebuttal: 1) There was an insurance on overrun on cost by like 20% of the estimated cost. The cost of the insurance was covered in the estimated cost. 2) cleaning up our streets is one thing... but we're not rio, which is significantly higher crime than Chicago... significantly... and we're still not Detroit or St. Louis on crime... and that's because cap'n jody weis is a d-bag. 3) we do not have the highest tax rates in the country, just sales tax on certain items. the median income in chicago outweighs the sales tax impact. for all the bad. chicago does a lot of things right. 4) the CTA was actually one of the projects that was getting an overhaul. i don't know if you live in the city sweetness, but, for as 'bad' as the CTA is, it's phenomenally light years ahead of every other metropolitan area in the states with the exception of: new york and to a lesser extent DC. yes, for all of its dysfunction, it's a quality transit system, sure it's not like it is in tokyo or london or paris... but it's good. and with the olympics almost a billion dollars would be put into upgrading the cta (and other transportations :-\)

I understand that it's still 7 years down the road and we have plenty of time to fix some of those things but with the economy hurting I think it was the right decision to not let us host. My dorm is right off Michigan Avenue and there was a huge march this morning in support of the bid. It was quite entertaining to see people crying after we were eliminated..

How long do you think the economy is going to be in the tank? This is totally going to be fine, create tons of planning jobs, engineering jobs, tech jobs, communication jobs... as well as construction jobs, labor jobs, planning jobs... our city is one of culture. LOTS of culture...

I'm also assuming you go to: Columbia, RMC(U?), or IIT... I might be missing one... but.

JFLO
10-02-2009, 03:19 PM
I'm pushing for Boston, Cape Town or Venice in 2020.

Never too early...

S4L
10-02-2009, 03:26 PM
Does anyone know if they included Rugby or not?

The IOC session goes on for a whole week; this is just the beginning of it. I'm pretty sure the vote on new sports is early next week.

YAYareaRB
10-02-2009, 03:27 PM
The IOC session goes on for a whole week; this is just the beginning of it. I'm pretty sure the vote on new sports is early next week.

Man I hope Rugby gets it. I got a cousin on Fiji's team and it will give me a reason to travel to Brazil. Besides, ass....and boobs...and perfectly tanned women on nude beaches..

sweetness34
10-02-2009, 04:03 PM
Quick rebuttal: 1) There was an insurance on overrun on cost by like 20% of the estimated cost. The cost of the insurance was covered in the estimated cost. 2) cleaning up our streets is one thing... but we're not rio, which is significantly higher crime than Chicago... significantly... and we're still not Detroit or St. Louis on crime... and that's because cap'n jody weis is a d-bag. 3) we do not have the highest tax rates in the country, just sales tax on certain items. the median income in chicago outweighs the sales tax impact. for all the bad. chicago does a lot of things right. 4) the CTA was actually one of the projects that was getting an overhaul. i don't know if you live in the city sweetness, but, for as 'bad' as the CTA is, it's phenomenally light years ahead of every other metropolitan area in the states with the exception of: new york and to a lesser extent DC. yes, for all of its dysfunction, it's a quality transit system, sure it's not like it is in tokyo or london or paris... but it's good. and with the olympics almost a billion dollars would be put into upgrading the cta (and other transportations :-\)



How long do you think the economy is going to be in the tank? This is totally going to be fine, create tons of planning jobs, engineering jobs, tech jobs, communication jobs... as well as construction jobs, labor jobs, planning jobs... our city is one of culture. LOTS of culture...

I'm also assuming you go to: Columbia, RMC(U?), or IIT... I might be missing one... but.

Thanks for the rebuttal and you do bring up some good points. I just flat out don't trust Daley or any of his guys.

How long do those jobs last though? It's a great short term solution for people but at the same point, once the projects are done where do they go?

I believe there is a reason we were knocked out first from the race. I found it quite surprising since this thing between us and Rio was "close as hell."

The one big positive that Chicago has going for it is that it is a very developed city with a **** ton of tourism. It's already developed as one of the largest cities in America but right now, I believe we have bigger fish to fry.

awfullyquiet
10-02-2009, 04:27 PM
Thanks for the rebuttal and you do bring up some good points. I just flat out don't trust Daley or any of his guys.

How long do those jobs last though? It's a great short term solution for people but at the same point, once the projects are done where do they go?

I believe there is a reason we were knocked out first from the race. I found it quite surprising since this thing between us and Rio was "close as hell."

The one big positive that Chicago has going for it is that it is a very developed city with a **** ton of tourism. It's already developed as one of the largest cities in America but right now, I believe we have bigger fish to fry.

Oh, don't get me wrong, i don't trust major delay all that much, but, I'd be just as pissed at the alternatives.

How long to do jobs last? Depends on how many contractors settle in Chicago? How many companies develop more trade with local businesses. Yes, the olympics bring rich people from all over the world to 'watch'... but really to do business as well. i can tell you for sure, my company was busy as hell during the olympics making deals, greasing palms... what does madrid have to gain? or tokyo? both are highly developed cities too... even rio has its moments... and brazil as a whole has industrialized so much over the past 30 years... it's phenomenal...

but, all of the these cities had something to benifit.

yodabear
10-02-2009, 04:33 PM
ahhaha, your glad Tokyo didn't get it because some guy mention global warming. I would take Tokyo's word for it, they are much more technologically advanced, and put time, money and research into those things.

While our government doesn't really to much into any issues, they rather let people do their own research.

Without getting to political, I do believe global warming is somewhat of an issue.....but having one of your reasons of wanting the olympics there in 2016 because the world will not see the 2020 Olympics was kind of a weird reason for wanting the olympics IMHO.

vikes_28
10-02-2009, 05:15 PM
I think the Olympics should come to Sioux Falls, SD. Just to stir things up a bit.

yodabear
10-02-2009, 05:28 PM
I think the Olympics should come to Sioux Falls, SD. Just to stir things up a bit.

If u sex some1 enough u prolly could get it. It sounds like the IOC dude who wanted Rio (the IOC doesn't get along well with the US) got the African nation voters to vote for Tokyo because the African nations did want to go with Chicago telling them that Tokyo had the cleanest plan, and that it was pretty much guaranteed Chicago would get to the second round, so it almost sounds as if some1 did a job of playing politics.

TitleTown088
10-02-2009, 09:00 PM
I think the Olympics should come to Sioux Falls, SD. Just to stir things up a bit.

At the Arena and Howard Woods field? Haha.

Brodeur
10-02-2009, 09:14 PM
I guess the Committee was moved by City of God and said "That would be a great city to have the Olympics in."

bored of education
10-02-2009, 10:09 PM
The IOC is RACIST!

vikes_28
10-03-2009, 12:53 AM
At the Arena and Howard Woods field? Haha.

Sioux Falls would have to revamp then entire city for that.

wogitalia
10-03-2009, 01:23 AM
I think I might start planning a trip to Rio, normally Australia puts on neat packages to go to Olympic cities around the event so might be a great way to go to a city that I really want to go to and you know, be showing Aussie Pride or something...

YAYareaRB
10-03-2009, 01:35 AM
Has Dallas or any city in Texas ever had the olympics?

S4L
10-03-2009, 11:42 AM
Has Dallas or any city in Texas ever had the olympics?

Nope, here are the US cities that have hosted the Olympics:

Summer:
St. Louis 1904
Los Angeles 1932
Los Angeles 1984
Atlanta 1996

Winter:
Lake Placid 1932
Squaw Valley 1960
Lake Placid 1980
Salt Lake City 2002

CashmoneyDrew
10-03-2009, 12:16 PM
Anyone here ever been to the Olympics? I went to the 1996 summer games in Atlanta and got to see Michael Johnson in all of his world record beastliness. Granted I was only 7 at the time, but I had great fun.

awfullyquiet
10-03-2009, 01:26 PM
Anyone here ever been to the Olympics? I went to the 1996 summer games in Atlanta and got to see Michael Johnson in all of his world record beastliness. Granted I was only 7 at the time, but I had great fun.

I was there too!
It was a bitching good time.

CashmoneyDrew
10-03-2009, 02:05 PM
I was there too!
It was a bitching good time.

Which events did you go to? I went to a few basketball games and different track meets. I'm pretty sure I saw some rowing and cycling stuff too. I need to bust out the old pics.

awfullyquiet
10-03-2009, 03:18 PM
Which events did you go to? I went to a few basketball games and different track meets. I'm pretty sure I saw some rowing and cycling stuff too. I need to bust out the old pics.

I saw: Swimming, Diving, Archery, Track (the night Johnson won the 200), Rowing/Canoeing... Cuba vs US baseball at the old Fulton County... Dressage for equestrianism, and Beach Volleyball. Edit: and the opening ceremonies...

Went to the olympics in Turnio too. Which is awesomely cool.

YAYareaRB
10-03-2009, 03:21 PM
I think Dallas or Houston should have one

awfullyquiet
10-03-2009, 03:27 PM
I think Dallas or Houston should have one

'should' sounds so much nicer than 'doesn't have a chance in hell'

Brodeur
10-03-2009, 07:01 PM
*spits beer* houston? ugh. might as well play it in cleveland or philly.

Or..............DETROIT!

awfullyquiet
10-04-2009, 09:47 AM
*spits beer* houston? ugh. might as well play it in cleveland or philly.

yes...

Or..............DETROIT!

and yes...