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MarioPalmer
10-05-2009, 10:59 PM
I mean, how bad can the Packer offensive line be? Can it actually get worse? They are definitely up there with past horrible offensive lines.

I have the 2009 Packers line up there with the 2006, 2007 and 2008 St.Louis Rams O-Line. They are in the same league as the Bengals 2007 and 2008 O-Line. They are in the same neighborhood as the 2002, 2003, 2004 and 2005 Texans offensive line. They are probably worse then the 2006 and 2007 Oakland Raiders offensive lines and worse then the 2007 Steelers O-line as well.

The Packers line is the sole reason why they are 2-2 and not the best team in their own division. The opponents of the Packers, other than the Rams, have completed and utterly dominated the Packers in the trenches. I understand that Chad Clifton was a huge key to their lines success, but with the amount of draft picks that have been spent on offensive lineman, the failure of these youngsters is unacceptable to say the least.

Week 1: @Bears

4 Total Sacks
9 QB Hits

Al Afalava (Safety)- 1 Sack
Adewale Ogunleye (DE)- 2 Sacks
Daniel Manning (Safety)- 1 Sack

Week 2: Bengals

6 Total Sacks
10 QB Hits

Antwan Odom (DE)- 5 Sacks
Rey Maualuga (SLB)- 1 Sack

Week 3: @Rams

2 Total Sacks
0 QB Hits

Leonard Little (DE)- 2 Sacks

Week 4: @Vikings

8 Total Sacks
N/A QB Hits

Jared Allen (DE)- 4.5 Sacks
Brian Robison (DE)- 1.5 Sacks
Ben Leber (SLB)- 1 Sack
Jimmy Kennedy (DT)- 1 Sack

Can the Packers get away from the failure of the Packers offensive line? Can they succeed without some consistency in the trenches? We all have seen how good the Packers can be when the offensive line can give Rogers some time in the pocket. He is one of the best quarterbacks in the league hands down, but with a line as bad as theirs they are doomed from the beginning of the game and there is no way to get around it.

So what are your thoughs?

CC.SD
10-05-2009, 11:01 PM
In before the team board deportation!

Todd Bertuzzi
10-05-2009, 11:01 PM
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Splat
10-05-2009, 11:02 PM
How bad is the Green Bay Packers O-Line?


Not as bad as the Chiefs...

KCJ58
10-05-2009, 11:03 PM
Not as bad as the Chiefs...

St. Louis Rams is the real answer

EvilMonkey
10-05-2009, 11:12 PM
TJ Lang was playing LT at the end of the game and some undrafted guard name Evan Dietrich-Smith was active for the game.

We couldn't find a spot for Jamon Meredith on the roster why????

aNYtitan
10-05-2009, 11:13 PM
Trust me, if the Titans were playing the Pack this season, Rodgers' uniform wouldn't even need to be washed, cause he wouldn't get hit

tjsunstein
10-05-2009, 11:31 PM
Clifton comes back after the bye. Let's not judge it until then. Anytime you lose your LT in the first game and RT for the last 8 years in the offseason, it definitely has an effect.

tjsunstein
10-05-2009, 11:32 PM
Can the Packers get away from the failure of the Packers offensive line? Can they succeed without some consistency in the trenches? We all have seen how good the Packers can be when the offensive line can give Rogers some time in the pocket. He is one of the best quarterbacks in the league hands down, but with a line as bad as theirs they are doomed from the beginning of the game and there is no way to get around it.

So what are your thoughs?

Come on now. Rodgers.

brat316
10-05-2009, 11:33 PM
wait Meredith got cut?

Edit: I see he is on teh Bills.

GB12
10-05-2009, 11:36 PM
wait Meredith got cut?
Yes. And people overreact to that way too much, especially Packer fans. He was a 5th round pick, he was not good, and he got cut. Not a big deal. 5th round linemen get cut all the time. It's only because he was falsely built up as a good prospect on this site that anyone cares. He was worse than the crap we threw out there tonight.

SuperMcGee
10-05-2009, 11:38 PM
Yes. And people overreact to that way too much, especially Packer fans. He was a 5th round pick, he was not good, and he got cut. Not a big deal. 5th round linemen get cut all the time. It's only because he was falsely built up as a good prospect on this site that anyone cares. He was worse than the crap we threw out there tonight.

Good enough for Buffalo!

*returns to having nightmares about Cam Wake*

MarioPalmer
10-05-2009, 11:52 PM
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Him or Trent Williams, I guess we all know what position the Packers will be picking in the draft.

I can't believe that Daryn Colledge isn't a top player. I loved him coming out of Boise St. and I thought he'd be a top giard at the very least. I know he was considered light in the weight department, but his athleticism was supposed to be his strong suit. Spitz I like alot, but you can see he is playing out of position at OG. With that said though, I always thought that OG and Center went basically hand in hand. A good guard could always be a good center and certainly a good center could play a good guard. But I guess I was wrong.

tjsunstein
10-05-2009, 11:56 PM
Good enough for Buffalo!

*returns to having nightmares about Cam Wake*

*looks up stats from Sunday's game*

Yeah, Cam Wake had a pretty good game. Haven't heard much about him until this very moment.

tjsunstein
10-05-2009, 11:58 PM
Him or Trent Williams, I guess we all know what position the Packers will be picking in the draft.

I can't believe that Daryn Colledge isn't a top player. I loved him coming out of Boise St. and I thought he'd be a top giard at the very least. I know he was considered light in the weight department, but his athleticism was supposed to be his strong suit. Spitz I like alot, but you can see he is playing out of position at OG. With that said though, I always thought that OG and Center went basically hand in hand. A good guard could always be a good center and certainly a good center could play a good guard. But I guess I was wrong.

Daryn Colledge is an exceptional LG. The whole line is playing out of position because of Clifton's injury.

GB12
10-06-2009, 12:04 AM
Him or Trent Williams, I guess we all know what position the Packers will be picking in the draft.

I can't believe that Daryn Colledge isn't a top player. I loved him coming out of Boise St. and I thought he'd be a top giard at the very least. I know he was considered light in the weight department, but his athleticism was supposed to be his strong suit. Spitz I like alot, but you can see he is playing out of position at OG. With that said though, I always thought that OG and Center went basically hand in hand. A good guard could always be a good center and certainly a good center could play a good guard. But I guess I was wrong.
Colledge has actually been pretty good playing left guard. He's had to slide over to LT though with Clifton out and isn't having the same success. Spitz isn't really playing out of position. He had been a guard his whole career until this year. Spitz and Colledge have become decent starters. The biggest problem right now is that Clifton is out. He's our one high quality lineman and he plays the most important position. When healthy our left side isn't bad at all with Clifton-Colledge-Spitz. It's our right side that was killing us. Now with Clifton out both sides are killing us and it's one of the worst lines I have seen. When Clifton is healthy we had been giving Barbre help on the right and would still get killed. Now with both sides being weak we can't help out both and that leaves no time for Rodgers.

I feel comfortable with Colledge and Spitz as long term starters. The problem is that we still have no one at RT and Clifton is old and will need to be replaced soon. Sitton hasn't been too impressive either and could definitely be replaced.

critesy
10-06-2009, 12:04 AM
*looks up stats from Sunday's game*

Yeah, Cam Wake had a pretty good game. Haven't heard much about him until this very moment.

lets just first two years in the cfl = 39 sacks.

edit, including playoffs 46 sacks, 10 ff. he was a man

Brent
10-06-2009, 12:04 AM
St. Louis Rams is the real answer
San Francisco's is up there.

tjsunstein
10-06-2009, 12:11 AM
lets just first two years in the cfl = 39 sacks.

edit, including playoffs 46 sacks, 10 ff. he was a man

Oh yes, of course. I meant more so since he signed on with the Dolphins. Personally didn't hear too much about him in the preseason and up until this point in the regular season.

Hines
10-06-2009, 12:26 AM
The Packers' offensive line makes the Steelers look like Hall of Famers.

Flyboy
10-06-2009, 12:31 AM
Could've had Michael Oher...

Gay Ork Wang
10-06-2009, 01:41 AM
seriously for all the people that are saying their line is worse, the packers line is really erally bad right now

Stash
10-06-2009, 01:45 AM
They are probably worse then the 2006 and 2007 Oakland Raiders offensive lines
To even be mentioned in the same sentence with the Raiders '06 line means your bad, but I don't think the Packers line has quite reached that point.

Gay Ork Wang
10-06-2009, 01:56 AM
Ogunleye was in Rodgers face every play. Ogunleye.

Stash
10-06-2009, 02:09 AM
I still have nightmares about the Raiders in '06. It was a jailbreak as soon as the ball was snapped, every time.

TitleTown088
10-06-2009, 02:25 AM
and he got cut. Not a big deal. 5th round linemen get cut all the time. .

He didn't get cut. He was claimed off the practice squad by the Bills. Not to mention word it the Packers actually tried to offer him a spot on the 53 after the Bills made a claim for him and he decided to leave anyways.

LizardState
10-06-2009, 09:59 AM
Whoever was blocking Jared Allen Monday night was completely flummoxed, the ESPN analysts said he devoured the GB O-linemen.

Subtract the sacks on Rodgers & GB would've won the freaking game. The Packers are bleeding to death through these holes in their o-line.

Cincy Bengals: Antwan Odom (DE)- 5 Sacks

Homer adulation here for Crimson Tide pass rusher specialist DE Odom, who had the quickest 1st step I had ever seen when he played at Bama. With 5 sacks he was closing in on the single game sack rcd. held by Derek Thomas, KC Chiefs, coincidentally also a Bama player, set vs. Seattle, I think it's 7.5 or 8 sacks the late HoFer Thomas got in that game.

You would've thought they could get a TE or FB help for the hapless OT blocking Odom in that early game, that 5-sack game should have been a wakeup call for the GB staff. Instead of fixing it, it's now at critical mass & a game to game crisis.

no bare feet
10-06-2009, 10:16 AM
They are terrible but I will not discredit Jared Allen for having a great night.

MarioPalmer
10-06-2009, 11:12 AM
seriously for all the people that are saying their line is worse, the packers line is really erally bad right now

I swear, I bet all Texans fans that watched last nights games were having nightmarish flashbacks of David Carr running for his life in his first 3 seasons..LOL Thats how bad the Packers line is right now.

The Packers are such a good team, it's obvious what is losing them games, unless they play inept teams like the Rams the rest of the year or play nervous nelly's like Jay Cutler and his dumbfounded recievers they are looking at a 8-8 record at best.

I guess on the bright side that would give them a shot at the 2 best OT's in the 2010 draft.

bigbluedefense
10-06-2009, 11:22 AM
Alot of this is McCartney's fault. Do some max protect. Leave guys in to block.

I understand he likes spreading the field with his WRs, but when you lose both your OTs, you gotta adjust.

I LOVE McCartney's playbook, but he needs to adjust in these situations.

Also, having a RB who isn't doodoo would be nice too.

Giantsfan1080
10-06-2009, 11:47 AM
McCarthy not McCartney.

bigbluedefense
10-06-2009, 11:58 AM
my bad. (7 char)

Gay Ork Wang
10-06-2009, 12:00 PM
I swear, I bet all Texans fans that watched last nights games were having nightmarish flashbacks of David Carr running for his life in his first 3 seasons..LOL Thats how bad the Packers line is right now.

The Packers are such a good team, it's obvious what is losing them games, unless they play inept teams like the Rams the rest of the year or play nervous nelly's like Jay Cutler and his dumbfounded recievers they are looking at a 8-8 record at best.

I guess on the bright side that would give them a shot at the 2 best OT's in the 2010 draft.
The Oline was prolly the biggest reason why the bears were still in the game and why the Bengals won

Babylon
10-06-2009, 02:04 PM
Clifton comes back after the bye. Let's not judge it until then. Anytime you lose your LT in the first game and RT for the last 8 years in the offseason, it definitely has an effect.

That's a pretty good point, most of the pressure was coming from that LT area although against the Bengals it looked like the other side to me. Green Bay has always seemed to go the mid round O-lineman route, correct me if i'm wrong, but will probably have to invest an early pick this year.

On another note the 3-4, while good against the run, was not putting any pressure on the QB, Kampman is being wasted and on a related note so is AJ Hawk.

They arent alone in being bad, Seattle's O-line has been abysmal.

tjsunstein
10-06-2009, 02:25 PM
That's a pretty good point, most of the pressure was coming from that LT area although against the Bengals it looked like the other side to me. Green Bay has always seemed to go the mid round O-lineman route, correct me if i'm wrong, but will probably have to invest an early pick this year.

On another note the 3-4, while good against the run, was not putting any pressure on the QB, Kampman is being wasted and on a related note so is AJ Hawk.

They arent alone in being bad, Seattle's O-line has been abysmal.

Our RT situation has been horrible. Allen Barbre shouldn't be on the field.

I agree, I think Kampman should put his hand on the ground more often.

S T R I N G
10-06-2009, 02:39 PM
Alot of this is McCartney's fault. Do some max protect. Leave guys in to block.

I understand he likes spreading the field with his WRs, but when you lose both your OTs, you gotta adjust.

I LOVE McCartney's playbook, but he needs to adjust in these situations.

Also, having a RB who isn't doodoo would be nice too.

You probably haven't watched the Packers much this year. McCarthy has been running a lot of max protect. In fact, he has perhaps ran it too much because a lot of the sacks are coverage sacks.

Plus, the Packers' best blocker at RB (Jackson) has been out and Grant and Wynn don't seem to block very well. Their tight ends are more receiving threats as well.

Gay Ork Wang
10-06-2009, 02:49 PM
why do this kind of threads always turn into one-upper-threads?

bigbluedefense
10-06-2009, 04:19 PM
You probably haven't watched the Packers much this year. McCarthy has been running a lot of max protect. In fact, he has perhaps ran it too much because a lot of the sacks are coverage sacks.

Plus, the Packers' best blocker at RB (Jackson) has been out and Grant and Wynn don't seem to block very well. Their tight ends are more receiving threats as well.

Ive seen 2 games. Maybe I wasn't paying as much attention to it as I shouldve, but I didn't see much max protect. I could be wrong.

awfullyquiet
10-06-2009, 04:24 PM
it's that bad.

probably the worst for a top half team in the nfl.

tjsunstein
10-06-2009, 04:34 PM
Their tight ends are more receiving threats as well.

Donald Lee couldn't even do that last night.

bigbluedefense
10-06-2009, 04:37 PM
GB's TE is a bad ass. If they teach him how to block, he could be a beast.

He has all the physical tools, and looks like a real good passing threat.

Gay Ork Wang
10-06-2009, 04:38 PM
GB's TE is a bad ass. If they teach him how to block, he could be a beast.

He has all the physical tools, and looks like a real good passing threat.
i assume you are talking about Finley

tjsunstein
10-06-2009, 04:38 PM
GB's TE is a bad ass. If they teach him how to block, he could be a beast.

He has all the physical tools, and looks like a real good passing threat.

Jermichael Finley. Still a bit 'raw' if you can believe that.

senormysterioso
10-06-2009, 04:40 PM
PFT says that the packers are going to sign Tauscher back soon. He worked out for the Chiefs last week and they passed...so that's how bad their line is.

bigbluedefense
10-06-2009, 04:40 PM
yeah, Finley. the name was escaping my mind. the guy is a beast.

TitleTown088
10-06-2009, 04:49 PM
Alot of this is McCartney's fault. Do some max protect. Leave guys in to block.

I understand he likes spreading the field with his WRs, but when you lose both your OTs, you gotta adjust.

I LOVE McCartney's playbook, but he needs to adjust in these situations.

Also, having a RB who isn't doodoo would be nice too. The thing is his playbook dosen't work with max protect. It just dosen't. We say that in '06.

Allen Barbre shouldn't be on the field.


Barbre has improved a bit in comparison to week one. He's hasn't been that bad since week 1.

SuperMcGee
10-06-2009, 04:55 PM
I'm still a little surprised that Langston Walker isn't on a team. Guy was in camp all year and I wouldn't think of him as a terrible RT option at this point.

MetSox17
10-06-2009, 06:42 PM
yeah, Finley. the name was escaping my mind. the guy is a beast.

Of course he is, he's from Texas ;)

Smooth Criminal
10-06-2009, 06:46 PM
Its because of the injuries. They slid the line down and slid all the starters. Colledge and Spitz are playing out of position and look like they're lost. Barbre looks simply terrible.

They'll be getting their LT back and they signed Tauscher back. Once they get everyone back where they should be the line will improve.

GB12
10-06-2009, 08:19 PM
Could've had Michael Oher...That doesn't really work here. The only reason we were in position was because we traded up specifically for Matthews. Oher was not an option.

He didn't get cut. He was claimed off the practice squad by the Bills. Not to mention word it the Packers actually tried to offer him a spot on the 53 after the Bills made a claim for him and he decided to leave anyways.He got cut to get to the practice squad. If we cared about him he would have made the 53 man from the start. He's a developmental project that could eventually be good in a couple years and is nothing special. He is terrrible as he is right now though.

Alot of this is McCartney's fault. Do some max protect. Leave guys in to block.

I understand he likes spreading the field with his WRs, but when you lose both your OTs, you gotta adjust.

I LOVE McCartney's playbook, but he needs to adjust in these situations.

Also, having a RB who isn't doodoo would be nice too.
Not true. We do leave extra guys in to protect and due to that have had to cut down significantly on our spread packages. We've only used our Big 5 like twice so far and even our 4 WR sets have been limited quite a bit. We aren't able to take full advantage of our great depth at WR because we need to waste guys to help out the line.

The problem is that the ends of both sides of our line suck. We've been giving Barbre a ton of help on the right side. We can't really do the same on the left at the same time though. If we keep a tight end in on each side and a running back to block we're down to only two potential receivers. That's not going to work in the NFL. You can manage with helping out one side, but not both.

PackerLegend
10-06-2009, 11:05 PM
He is on pace to be sacked like 80 times.. what was the record 67 by Carr or something. There is a bright side. Look at how good Rodgers is with absolutely no time, imagine what he could do if they decided they want to block once in awhile.

Donno
10-07-2009, 12:24 AM
Anyone got any good footage of the 2006 Raiders oline's uglyness?

Rosebud
10-07-2009, 12:26 AM
delete please