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diabsoule
10-06-2009, 09:59 PM
Just another manic Monday

Last night was the much anticipated showdown between the Vikings and Packers and it did not disappoint.

If the Vikings offensive line isn't the best in the NFL then it's one of the top 3. Favre had all day to pass which not only shows how good Minnesota's OL is but also how anemic Green Bay's pass rush is.

Brett Favre looks like the man of old and not the one that was traded to the Jets. His shoulder seems to be holding up fine but his deep ball was inconsistent. As long as he's not asked to do anything more than manage the game then the Vikings should be playing in January.

In the final seven minutes of the game, Leslie Frazier took his foot off of Green Bay's throat and settled down into the prevent defense which allowed Aaron Rodgers and the GB offense to march down field and pick up 9 points. Again, why in the hell do defensive coordinators only rush four and drop seven back into coverage?

Jared Allen is an absolute beast. 4.5 sacks in one game?! Just beastly.

Aaron Rodgers is developing into a top tier QB but he's going to regress if Green Bay doesn't shore up their offensive line. Rodgers was sacked 8 times last night and 20 times so far in four games. Green Bay must do something in the off-season to address that.

After watching him play Ryan Grant would be a great complimentary back but he should not be the featured back in any offense.

I was not a fan of Green Bay hiring Dom Capers and switching to the 3-4 in the off-season and am still not a fan of it now. Green Bay is 27th in the league in sacks which means their not getting to the quarterback. It's not their coverage as they possess two great corners. The problem is not having the proper personnel to run the 3-4. Green Bay panicked and hired Capers, which was a poor move. I understand firing Bob Sanders, since he was not the right guy, but there were plenty other candidates out there with experience in the 4-3 that they could have hired.

In the Lions den

The 2008 Detroit Lions set a new standard in the NFL for ineptitude but there are a couple teams this year that look like they want to try and one up them. Right now there are five 0-4 teams (and one 0-3 team) with St. Louis, Cleveland, and Tampa Bay waving the banner of incompetence. The leader of the pack, though, are the St. Louis Rams who have been shut out twice this season and are averaging a league low 6 points per game.

I don't like saying how a team is the best 0-4 team because that's like saying that you're the smartest kid on the short bus, however, the Tennessee Titans have more talent than any of the other 0-4 teams. The biggest reason for their 0-4 start is the defensive coordinator. I thought Cecil was an above average secondary coach but that was it. I thought that if Jeff Fisher was to promote an in house candidate then it would have been Dave McGinnis, who seemed like the logical choice. I guess decisions like that make Jeff Fisher one of the best coaches to have never won a Super Bowl.

I'm trying to figure out which head coach was the worst hire of this past off-season: Todd Haley or Eric Mangini. I think Haley will be given one more year to prove himself but Mangini must go at the end of this season. Can the NFL take a mulligan on giving Cleveland another franchise after the first one left?

The Oakland Raiders are probably the worst 1-3 in the NFL right now and I think it's time that JaMarcus Russell can be labeled a bust. He shows none of the signs of wanting to improve as a quarterback, his worth ethic is piss poor, and his IQ matches his jersey number. The Raiders would be better off signing Jeff Garcia and starting him for the rest of the season.

It starts at the top

Every fan of the NFL knows how Al Davis has ruined the Oakland Raiders with his terrible free-agent acquisitions and abysmal draft history but what I want to know is how Dan Snyder doesn't receiver as much criticism? Those two owners are destroying two once-proud franchises.

You could also say winning starts at the top and I will admit that I was a detractor of Josh McDaniel's due to his poor handling of the Denver Broncos when he was first hired. I was skeptical of them switching to the 3-4, of trading Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton and picks, and of the Brandon Marshall fiasco but so far none of that has affected the team. Orton is being a game-manager and limiting his mistakes, Mike Nolan's coordinating a top 5 defense, and Brandon Marshall showed against the Cowboys why he is one of the best wide receivers playing.

The same can be said about the job Mike Singletary is doing in San Francisco. Even with primadonna Michael Crabtree still holding out they have managed a 3-1 start and came very close to beating the Vikings in Minnesota.

All you can eat crow

I would have never thought the Cincinnati Bengals would have started the season 3-1. I assumed the team had lost faith in Marvin Lewis two seasons ago.

Pittsburgh being 2-2 and losing to the Bengals is another head-scratcher. It goes to show you what happens when your scat-back breaks down and you switch from an offense based around a power run game to the pro-equivalent of a spread offense.

Yes, Denver would hire Josh Daniel's today knowing now what they knew then.

I thought Seattle would at least be 2-2.

It's getting hot in hurr

Already into week four and coaching hot seat is warming up.

Jim Zorn – It was a foregone conclusion that if the Redskins didn't beat the Lions that he was probably gone. Guess what he didn't do?

Dick Jauron – He can put together a team but he can't coach it.

John Fox – He's been on a short leash for a while but going to the NFC Championship game last year bought him time. Getting off to an 0-3 start does nothing to inspire confidence to want to keep him around for another year.

Wade Phillips – The defense isn't playing well and the offense isn't good enough to bail them out. At 2-2 they have beat two floundering teams but lost to the ones they needed to beat.

The Gun Show

Top 10 power ranking at the Ό of the season mark

1. New Orleans Saints – People thought their defense would be improved but no one, not even a Saints fan like myself, thought their defense would be this good.

2. Indianapolis Colts – The defense is playing great, without Bob Sanders and Gary Brackett, and Manning is already having an MVP season.

3. New York Giants – 4-0 without several key contributors on defense. Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, and Hakeem Nicks are making Giants fans forget all about Plax.

4. Minnesota Vikings – They have a stout defense and a potent offense. I just wonder if Favre can last the entire season.

5. New England Patriots – They stumbled out of the gate with a narrow win against Buffalo and a loss to the Jets but they seem to be finding their stride.

6. Baltimore Ravens – Joe Flacco and company are a Mark Clayton drop away from being undefeated.

7. New York Jets – Their defense showed what it's capable of by keeping Drew Brees from throwing a TD pass for the 2nd straight week. Sanchez just needs to take care of the ball a little better.

8. Denver Broncos – Mike Nolan is working wonders in the Mile High City but I'm still skeptical. The next 5 weeks will prove a lot.

9. Atlanta Falcons – “Burner” Turner needs to start living up to his nickname. They have a murderer's row coming up.

10. Philadelphia Eagles – Outside of the loss to the Saints in week 2 they have looked great even with McNabb and Westbrook out.

MVP!

1. Peyton Manning – He's on pace so far this season for back-to-back MVP wins.

2. Drew Brees – At the start of the season he was in the lead but two straight weeks without a touchdown pass has dropped him in the MVP race.

3. Adrian Peterson – Green Bay shut him down but before Monday he was running past the competition.

4. Eli Manning – Has anyone ever thought about just how important he is to the Giants success?

5. Joe Flacco – He has taken a giant step since his freshman season last year.

vikes_28
10-06-2009, 10:18 PM
It looks good Diab. Now I am finally starting to agree that the Vikings deserve to be where they are on most people's power rankings.

Iamcanadian
10-06-2009, 11:47 PM
Just another manic Monday

Last night was the much anticipated showdown between the Vikings and Packers and it did not disappoint.

If the Vikings offensive line isn't the best in the NFL then it's one of the top 3. Favre had all day to pass which not only shows how good Minnesota's OL is but also how anemic Green Bay's pass rush is.

I think it is more a case of a weak defense in Green Bay, they were weak last year and it is continuing to be so this year. Too early to rate Minny's OL IMO.

Brett Favre looks like the man of old and not the one that was traded to the Jets. His shoulder seems to be holding up fine but his deep ball was inconsistent. As long as he's not asked to do anything more than manage the game then the Vikings should be playing in January.

I think Favre is much more than a game manager, he won the last game on his own and he dominated in the GB game.

In the final seven minutes of the game, Leslie Frazier took his foot off of Green Bay's throat and settled down into the prevent defense which allowed Aaron Rodgers and the GB offense to march down field and pick up 9 points. Again, why in the hell do defensive coordinators only rush four and drop seven back into coverage?

Beats me???

Jared Allen is an absolute beast. 4.5 sacks in one game?! Just beastly.

I agree. Why KC traded this guy is beyond me.

Aaron Rodgers is developing into a top tier QB but he's going to regress if Green Bay doesn't shore up their offensive line. Rodgers was sacked 8 times last night and 20 times so far in four games. Green Bay must do something in the off-season to address that.

Not completely sold on Rodgers just yet but time will tell.

After watching him play Ryan Grant would be a great complimentary back but he should not be the featured back in any offense.

I agree.

I was not a fan of Green Bay hiring Dom Capers and switching to the 3-4 in the off-season and am still not a fan of it now. Green Bay is 27th in the league in sacks which means their not getting to the quarterback. It's not their coverage as they possess two great corners. The problem is not having the proper personnel to run the 3-4. Green Bay panicked and hired Capers, which was a poor move. I understand firing Bob Sanders, since he was not the right guy, but there were plenty other candidates out there with experience in the 4-3 that they could have hired.

Their defense stunk last year and it still stinks. Simply must develop a pass rush.

In the Lions den

The 2008 Detroit Lions set a new standard in the NFL for ineptitude but there are a couple teams this year that look like they want to try and one up them. Right now there are five 0-4 teams (and one 0-3 team) with St. Louis, Cleveland, and Tampa Bay waving the banner of incompetence. The leader of the pack, though, are the St. Louis Rams who have been shut out twice this season and are averaging a league low 6 points per game.

I don't like saying how a team is the best 0-4 team because that's like saying that you're the smartest kid on the short bus, however, the Tennessee Titans have more talent than any of the other 0-4 teams. The biggest reason for their 0-4 start is the defensive coordinator. I thought Cecil was an above average secondary coach but that was it. I thought that if Jeff Fisher was to promote an in house candidate then it would have been Dave McGinnis, who seemed like the logical choice. I guess decisions like that make Jeff Fisher one of the best coaches to have never won a Super Bowl.

I predicted the collapse of Tennessee in the preseason. They had the weakest SOS last year with almost all of their tough games very late in the season. Anybody who thinks Collins is a solid QB was just dreaming and they lost their best defensive player to FA. I saw no way they would be a contender and predicted they would finish in last place in their Division so I'm not at all shocked to see them 0-4 and I also predicted that VY would be their starting QB by mid season. At least I got this one right.

I'm trying to figure out which head coach was the worst hire of this past off-season: Todd Haley or Eric Mangini. I think Haley will be given one more year to prove himself but Mangini must go at the end of this season. Can the NFL take a mulligan on giving Cleveland another franchise after the first one left?

Not a fan of Mangini but the real problem in Cleveland is their owner Lerner. He looks like the second coming of William Clay Ford as far as competence is concerned. You do know that HC's like Tom Landry and Jimmy Johnson had rotten first seasons along with a large # of SB HC's so I'm not prepared to write off Haley just yet.

The Oakland Raiders are probably the worst 1-3 in the NFL right now and I think it's time that JaMarcus Russell can be labeled a bust. He shows none of the signs of wanting to improve as a quarterback, his worth ethic is piss poor, and his IQ matches his jersey number. The Raiders would be better off signing Jeff Garcia and starting him for the rest of the season.

To be fair to Russell, his HC is nothing but an Al Davis 'yes man' and the organization is so disorganized that it is almost impossible for a player to develop in that atmosphere. Russell may indeed be a bust but until he gets a shot at playing for a decent HC if he ever does, the jury is still out.

It starts at the top

Every fan of the NFL knows how Al Davis has ruined the Oakland Raiders with his terrible free-agent acquisitions and abysmal draft history but what I want to know is how Dan Snyder doesn't receiver as much criticism? Those two owners are destroying two once-proud franchises.

Actually Al Davis has destroyed Oakland because he only hires 'yes man' to run his ship. For years he was the de facto HC of the Raiders but old age has caught up to him and he is no longer able to coach his players but still insists on the last say about who plays and who doesn't. The talented HC's he did hire never lasted long because they stood up to AL so he fired them quickly.
This is a dead franchise which is sad because Al was once one of the great minds in Pro football.

You could also say winning starts at the top and I will admit that I was a detractor of Josh McDaniel's due to his poor handling of the Denver Broncos when he was first hired. I was skeptical of them switching to the 3-4, of trading Jay Cutler for Kyle Orton and picks, and of the Brandon Marshall fiasco but so far none of that has affected the team. Orton is being a game-manager and limiting his mistakes, Mike Nolan's coordinating a top 5 defense, and Brandon Marshall showed against the Cowboys why he is one of the best wide receivers playing.

Let's see what happens when they play the meat of their schedule which I believe is quite tough. Zorn had a 5-0 record to start his career before it came to an abrupt end last year. Never be too early in judging a new HC. The good ones will usually use the first season to rid the team of the deadwood and their teams usually have a weak 1st year. Year two can see a .500 season with a playoff contender in year 3. Occasionally some go faster.

The same can be said about the job Mike Singletary is doing in San Francisco. Even with primadonna Michael Crabtree still holding out they have managed a 3-1 start and came very close to beating the Vikings in Minnesota.

I have much more confidence in Singletary's future success because his team has taken the next step in his 2nd season.

All you can eat crow

I would have never thought the Cincinnati Bengals would have started the season 3-1. I assumed the team had lost faith in Marvin Lewis two seasons ago.

People didn't realize how banged up Palmer was for the last 2 years and now that he is healthy we see the impact of a true franchise QB. I also jumped the gun on Lewis and thought he should have been fired but I was clearly wrong.

Pittsburgh being 2-2 and losing to the Bengals is another head-scratcher. It goes to show you what happens when your scat-back breaks down and you switch from an offense based around a power run game to the pro-equivalent of a spread offense.

Pittsburgh has a weak OL and before Mendenhall stepped forward, their running attack was one of the worst in the NFL so I wasn't shocked to see them slide. Now that Mendenhall has stepped forward and if he maintains his high level of performance, Pittsburgh will again move toward the top of their Division but their OL still worries me.

Yes, Denver would hire Josh Daniel's today knowing now what they knew then.

Don't get too carried away this early in the season.

I thought Seattle would at least be 2-2.

Hasselbach has to stay healthy or they have no chance.

It's getting hot in hurr

Already into week four and coaching hot seat is warming up.

Jim Zorn – It was a foregone conclusion that if the Redskins didn't beat the Lions that he was probably gone. Guess what he didn't do?

I place a lot of the blame on Snyder. Tough to be his HC.

Dick Jauron – He can put together a team but he can't coach it.

Again, the owner has to take a lot of the blame. I believe he hasn't had a winning team since the salary cap era began. He refused to pay his LT what the going rate was for that position leaving Buffalo's OL in a mess. He has consistently refused to keep his own stars when they reach FA leaving the team to use the draft to replace lost FA's instead of using it to fill positions of need. That makes it tough on any Buffalo HC.

John Fox – He's been on a short leash for a while but going to the NFC Championship game last year bought him time. Getting off to an 0-3 start does nothing to inspire confidence to want to keep him around for another year.

I believe he was 12-4 last year or close to it but whoever decided to sign Delhomme to a long term expensive contract is the guy in trouble. I think he gets another year otherwise he will be gobbled up quickly by another team.


Wade Phillips – The defense isn't playing well and the offense isn't good enough to bail them out. At 2-2 they have beat two floundering teams but lost to the ones they needed to beat.

Why he still is the HC is beyond me. Of course Jerry Jones is one of the worst GM's in the NFL and hasn't won much since Jimmy Johnson ran the show and made all the decisions. I think you can include Jerry Jones with the Al Davis's, Snyder's, William Clay Ford's and Lerner's of this league. You right, it all starts at the top.

The Gun Show

Top 10 power ranking at the Ό of the season mark

1. New Orleans Saints – People thought their defense would be improved but no one, not even a Saints fan like myself, thought their defense would be this good.

2. Indianapolis Colts – The defense is playing great, without Bob Sanders and Gary Brackett, and Manning is already having an MVP season.

3. New York Giants – 4-0 without several key contributors on defense. Steve Smith, Mario Manningham, and Hakeem Nicks are making Giants fans forget all about Plax.

4. Minnesota Vikings – They have a stout defense and a potent offense. I just wonder if Favre can last the entire season.

5. New England Patriots – They stumbled out of the gate with a narrow win against Buffalo and a loss to the Jets but they seem to be finding their stride.

6. Baltimore Ravens – Joe Flacco and company are a Mark Clayton drop away from being undefeated.

7. New York Jets – Their defense showed what it's capable of by keeping Drew Brees from throwing a TD pass for the 2nd straight week. Sanchez just needs to take care of the ball a little better.

8. Denver Broncos – Mike Nolan is working wonders in the Mile High City but I'm still skeptical. The next 5 weeks will prove a lot.

9. Atlanta Falcons – “Burner” Turner needs to start living up to his nickname. They have a murderer's row coming up.

10. Philadelphia Eagles – Outside of the loss to the Saints in week 2 they have looked great even with McNabb and Westbrook out.

I'd have the Giants at #1, best balanced team in the NFL.
Indy at #2 and NO at #3. New England at #4 once Brady gets the rust out of his system something like Peyton last year. Minny at #5, Atlanta at #6 until murders row is played. Baltimore at #7 and the Eagles at #9(they might be #5 if McNabb can stay healthy)
I don't like the Jets or Denver at this point. Sanchez will win some but he will also lose some. I don't believe in Denver at this point and will be totally shocked if they manage 8 wins.

MVP!

1. Peyton Manning – He's on pace so far this season for back-to-back MVP wins.

2. Drew Brees – At the start of the season he was in the lead but two straight weeks without a touchdown pass has dropped him in the MVP race.

3. Adrian Peterson – Green Bay shut him down but before Monday he was running past the competition.

4. Eli Manning – Has anyone ever thought about just how important he is to the Giants success?

5. Joe Flacco – He has taken a giant step since his freshman season last year.

Solid top 5.

Just a few of my thoughts and opinions.

RaiderNation
10-06-2009, 11:58 PM
Yup Russells a bust as of now. If he keeps it up he will end up worse than Ryan Leaf

Rosebud
10-07-2009, 12:08 AM
Did I just read someone defend Jauron? wow, that's all I've got, wow. I me...nevermind, I'm sticking with just wow.

Hines
10-07-2009, 12:15 AM
Just a few of my thoughts and opinions.

The Steelers OL has gotten a lot better since last season. Also, Ben makes the OL look worse than they really are.

Rosebud
10-07-2009, 12:16 AM
The Steelers OL has gotten a lot better since last season. Also, Ben makes the OL look worse than they really are.

That's something I've noticed about them. Yes they give up pressure and sacks, but usually ben has a good 5 seconds before that starts to happen, after which he'll scramble and hold onto the ball for another 3 or 4 before finally getting sacked or getting rid of it. That's a pretty good job by the oline.

CC.SD
10-07-2009, 12:17 AM
Charger's leading rusher after 4 games is Darren Sproles with 90 yards on the ground. Wooooo what's the record for lowest leading rusher in a season?! Thank God for Rivers

TACKLE
10-07-2009, 12:19 AM
I want Russell to succeed so bad. I know he been playing like crap but he has by far the worst WR's in the league. Those guys can't catch anything and are not good route runners at all.

Also Raiders fans, when does Chaz Schillings come back?

Job
10-07-2009, 01:18 AM
Let's imagine for a second Big Ben with the Packers' OL.

BlindSite
10-07-2009, 03:37 AM
Let's imagine for a second Big Ben with the Packers' OL.

Let's imagine for a second Rogers behind New York's Oline.

I got something in the works to make up for missing what will be nearly 3 weeks of writing my thing, YAY uni assignments getting in the way.


I liked the bit about John Fox and i agree, the team needs to do better, Jake Delhomme isn't past the point of no return though, the two INT's he threw against Dallas weren't his fault, neither of them were and the defense did play well, the team needs more offensive production, more so the play calling than anything else.




I agree on Marvin Lewis as well, it's testament to just how good a coach he is, realistically the bengals have had a lot of issues with injuries, chemistry, legal and all the rest of it, but now that they've gone a week without someone breaking laws and everyone's healthyish they're becoming a competitive good looking unit. It'll be interesting though how far they can go in such a tough division.

Rosebud
10-07-2009, 05:13 AM
Let's imagine for a second Rogers behind New York's Oline.

I got something in the works to make up for missing what will be nearly 3 weeks of writing my thing, YAY uni assignments getting in the way.


I liked the bit about John Fox and i agree, the team needs to do better, Jake Delhomme isn't past the point of no return though, the two INT's he threw against Dallas weren't his fault, neither of them were and the defense did play well, the team needs more offensive production, more so the play calling than anything else.




I agree on Marvin Lewis as well, it's testament to just how good a coach he is, realistically the bengals have had a lot of issues with injuries, chemistry, legal and all the rest of it, but now that they've gone a week without someone breaking laws and everyone's healthyish they're becoming a competitive good looking unit. It'll be interesting though how far they can go in such a tough division.

Our Oline isn't really that good at pass blocking. It's mostly Eli's remarkable pocket presence and the tremendous speed with which he reads a defense and goes through his reads that keep our sack totals low.

Gay Ork Wang
10-07-2009, 07:08 AM
Our Oline isn't really that good at pass blocking. It's mostly Eli's remarkable pocket presence and the tremendous speed with which he reads a defense and goes through his reads that keep our sack totals low.
The Packers Oline is a pee wee football OLine compared to the giants Oline

LizardState
10-07-2009, 08:39 AM
I think you can include Jerry Jones with the Al Davis's, Snyder's, William Clay Ford's and Lerner's of this league. You right, it all starts at the top.

Forgot the Bidwell family in Zona, maybe Mike Brown in Cincy as the worst of the hands-on owners/GMs.

Jones got his fingers burned after giving away 2 top picks to Seattle for Joey Galloway 10 yrs. ago & backed off on manipulating Dallas personnel. Now he's dicking around again, anything for material for his annual Draft Day interview... Jones will fight his way through an SRO auditorium to the camera light for facetime. Garrett's playcalling & Romo's folding under big game pressure are what's heating up the seat under Wade Phillips now, just this one very frustrated Dallas fan's opinion.

wicket
10-07-2009, 09:09 AM
I want Russell to succeed so bad. I know he been playing like crap but he has by far the worst WR's in the league. Those guys can't catch anything and are not good route runners at all.

Also Raiders fans, when does Chaz Schillings come back?

I'm sorry but no, since today the browns officially have the worst receiving corps in football (and probably the worst in recent history).
To make it even worse for the browns, they dont have a tight end either. Their leader in receptions is there third string running back and in yardage it is a rookie.
seriously i could keep going here.

terribletowel39
10-07-2009, 09:36 AM
Massaquoi is legit. I have been a fan of his since he started at UGA.

themaninblack
10-07-2009, 01:46 PM
Yea, even though he did his damage against my Bengals and is in our division, I'm really happy to see Massaqoui succeed.

yo123
10-07-2009, 01:51 PM
Great writeup, but our line usually doesn't pass block that well. The first three weeks Favre was getting pressured constantly.

Rosebud
10-07-2009, 03:27 PM
The Packers Oline is a pee wee football OLine compared to the giants Oline

Was not saying anything to the contrary, just responded to the comment that one should imagine Rodgers behind our line as though we had a great pass blocking oline, so I was merely pointing out that we don't. Hell if Clifton were healthy and they had a competent RT instead of Barbre I'd say the difference is negligible, although Barbre has been Winston Justice bad and Clifton has been injured so that renders that point moot.

awfullyquiet
10-07-2009, 03:41 PM
You might want to take your lips off of Eli's wang Rosebud.

Rosebud
10-07-2009, 03:46 PM
You might want to take your lips off of Eli's wang Rosebud.

I'm sorry, let me correct that post. I'm sorry Green Bay, but the giants had the greatest pass blocking oline of all time. [/vocoder] And the receiver? He's throwing to 8 hall of famers. Hell if he had offensive talent and coaching someone like Philip Rivers has had to overcome he'd be out of the league already...

Better AQ?

Edit: Just for my information AQ, am I ever allowed to say a good thing about eli? Or would mentioning the fact that he's the most important player to the 4-0 giants and key to our offense be considered more snobbing of his knob?

P-L
10-07-2009, 03:57 PM
Let's imagine for a second Big Ben with the Packers' OL.
He'd break David Carr's sack record... in the first half of the season, lol.

aNYtitan
10-07-2009, 04:03 PM
How about this:

The Titans defense is really awful.

DeepThreat
10-07-2009, 04:11 PM
Joe Thomas has faced Jared Allen, Elvis Dummerville, Terrell Suggs, and Antwan Odom. The only sack he's given up was when he had his guy (Odom) completely owned and Anderson ran right into him.

awfullyquiet
10-07-2009, 04:14 PM
How about this:

The Titans defense is really awful.

You have some Pro Bowl Corners there now... eh?

TitanHope
10-07-2009, 04:17 PM
I predicted the collapse of Tennessee in the preseason. They had the weakest SOS last year with almost all of their tough games very late in the season. Anybody who thinks Collins is a solid QB was just dreaming and they lost their best defensive player to FA. I saw no way they would be a contender and predicted they would finish in last place in their Division so I'm not at all shocked to see them 0-4 and I also predicted that VY would be their starting QB by mid season. At least I got this one right.

You can repeat this statement as many times as you'd like, IAC, but that doesn't mean it'll ever be factually accurate.

You have some Pro Bowl Corners there now... eh?

Finnegan has been injured for the past game and a half. He's questionable for the Colts game, and now Nick Harper is uncertain as well after sustaining a rib injury midgame against the Jags. Vincent Fuller, the #3 CB, fractured his wrist midgame against the Jets as well.

By the end of the Jags game, rookies Ryan Mouton and Jason McCourty were the starting two CB's out there for the Titans. It's very possible that both may start against the Colts with the injuries to the #1, #2, and #3 corners for the Titans.

wicket
10-07-2009, 04:18 PM
Joe Thomas has faced Jared Allen, Elvis Dummerville, Terrell Suggs, and Antwan Odom. The only sack he's given up was when he had his guy (Odom) completely owned and Anderson ran right into him.

yeah anderson doest that for you.

CashmoneyDrew
10-07-2009, 04:22 PM
You have some Pro Bowl Corners there now... eh?

We have one pro bowl corner, who is currently hurt. We do have two pro bowl safeties, though. But the entire secondary looks horrible because we are getting zero push up the middle with our pressure and quarterbacks have all day to sit there and step up into the pocket without any bodies or hands in their face.

diabsoule
10-07-2009, 04:29 PM
How about this:

The Titans defense is really awful.

They did fine last year with the same personnel plus Albert Haynesworth. I have a hard time believing that Haynesworth had that big of an impact on the defense as a whole. He sat out last year in the week 16 game against Pittsburgh and the Titans easily won that game.
A lot of it has to do with the defensive play-calling and the execution of the defensive plays which are both products of coaching. The pressure and blitzes that worked last year no longer work effectively this year. Their slower to develop and by the end of the play the opposing QB is still standing in the pocket and is able to hit a WR for positive yards.
If you look at the rushing yards allowed by Tennessee then it's noticeable that the problem is not stopping the run; it's the pass rush. The Titans rank 7th in the league in allowing only 79.8 rushing yards per game but their pass defense ranks near the bottom of the league ((31st) in allowing 282.2 per game.
Last year the Titans allowed 199.8 passing yards on average which was good for 9th best in the NFL. The loss of Haynesworth doesn't affect a pass rush that much when their giving up 82+ more yards this season than they did last season. Last season with Jim Scwartz the Titans were ranked 7th in total defense, this year with Chuck Cecil their ranked 22nd in total defense.

TitanHope
10-07-2009, 04:32 PM
We have one pro bowl corner, who is currently hurt. We do have two pro bowl safeties, though. But the entire secondary looks horrible because we are getting zero push up the middle with our pressure and quarterbacks have all day to sit there and step up into the pocket without any bodies or hands in their face.

Jason Jones was out against the Jags as well, and was ejected against Houston for "punching" one of the Houston plays in a scuffle on the sideline (Jones never punched anyone, and the refs incorrectly called fouls on players on both sides who weren't the ones involved in the fight but were trying to separates the ones involved - ie, separating Andre Johnson's hands from Cortland Finnegan's facemask and helmet). Jones is the Titans's best interior pass-rusher and is being relied on greatly to help replace Haynesworth in that regard.

The biggest thing about having Haynesworth was that he was a safety blanket. The defense could lose starters, but having Fat Al in there helped protect the liable new players. Now, the injuries are popping up and they're all the more harder to overcome without the best DT in the NFL in there.

diabsoule
10-07-2009, 04:35 PM
By the end of the Jags game, rookies Ryan Mouton and Jason McCourty were the starting two CB's out there for the Titans. It's very possible that both may start against the Colts with the injuries to the #1, #2, and #3 corners for the Titans.

One thing I noticed from watching the highlights of the Jags/Titans game was how far the corners were playing off the wide receivers. They allowed at least a five to seven yard cushion before the ball was even snapped. So before the ball even reaches the quarterbacks hand you have started off with a disadvantage in the passing game. Every time the corners lined up like that Garrard nailed them for positive yards. You just can't defend the pass like that. Not to mention you have Jovan Haye and Tony Brown as your started DT's. Tony Brown is fine but Jason Jones is the one that needs to be starting next to him as every time he started last year he was consistently in the backfield. In week 16 he wreaked havoc in the Steelers backfield.

TitanHope
10-07-2009, 04:53 PM
One thing I noticed from watching the highlights of the Jags/Titans game was how far the corners were playing off the wide receivers. They allowed at least a five to seven yard cushion before the ball was even snapped. So before the ball even reaches the quarterbacks hand you have started off with a disadvantage in the passing game. Every time the corners lined up like that Garrard nailed them for positive yards. You just can't defend the pass like that. Not to mention you have Jovan Haye and Tony Brown as your started DT's. Tony Brown is fine but Jason Jones is the one that needs to be starting next to him as every time he started last year he was consistently in the backfield. In week 16 he wreaked havoc in the Steelers backfield.

Yeah, Harper has been playing so far off the ball it's ridiculous. If an opponent needs a 1st down, just have the WR on Harper run a slant and get ya what you need. Harper has had a few PI's called on him too. Jason McCourty has only had one start, so him doing it is understandable, but his cushion was wider than Harper's. He was at least 10-yards off the LOS.

Finnegan is the only man-coverage CB the Titans have, and is the only one who'll jam the line and run bump 'n run coverage. No Finne = full on zone. Lack of pass-rush, huge cushions by CB's, and miscommunication between DB's = opposing QB's carving up the secondary and having big plays through the air.

Jones is indeed the starter next to Tony Brown. Jovan Haye is the #3 guy, and Kevin Vickerson is the 6'5, 310 lbs. rotational guy when the DL needs size. SenDerrick Marks is usually inactive, but he saw action with Jones out against the Jags. The only time his name was called was when he was flagged for an intentional hands to the face penalty, lol. Marks is still a project at this point, and to an extent so is Jones. Jones came into the NFL at around 275 lbs. He's only just now at 290 lbs and has kept his quickness and athleticism, but he can still play too high and show poor technique at times. The Steelers game last season was mostly hustle and raw ability on his part. He definitely has a bright future, but he seems a bit injury prone. Titans fans still love him.

Saints 4 Lyfe
10-07-2009, 04:58 PM
They did fine last year with the same personnel plus Albert Haynesworth. I have a hard time believing that Haynesworth had that big of an impact on the defense as a whole. He sat out last year in the week 16 game against Pittsburgh and the Titans easily won that game.
A lot of it has to do with the defensive play-calling and the execution of the defensive plays which are both products of coaching. The pressure and blitzes that worked last year no longer work effectively this year. Their slower to develop and by the end of the play the opposing QB is still standing in the pocket and is able to hit a WR for positive yards.
If you look at the rushing yards allowed by Tennessee then it's noticeable that the problem is not stopping the run; it's the pass rush. The Titans rank 7th in the league in allowing only 79.8 rushing yards per game but their pass defense ranks near the bottom of the league ((31st) in allowing 282.2 per game.
Last year the Titans allowed 199.8 passing yards on average which was good for 9th best in the NFL. The loss of Haynesworth doesn't affect a pass rush that much when their giving up 82+ more yards this season than they did last season. Last season with Jim Scwartz the Titans were ranked 7th in total defense, this year with Chuck Cecil their ranked 22nd in total defense.

they are replacing a very good DC.

Denver Bronco56
10-07-2009, 05:04 PM
Joe Thomas has faced Jared Allen, Elvis Dummerville, Terrell Suggs, and Antwan Odom. The only sack he's given up was when he had his guy (Odom) completely owned and Anderson ran right into him.

Well if we're talking about pass blocking...look no further than Clady he owns the nfl record for longest streak of not allowing a sack at 19 games and counting...and if you look at the the "Super" star DE/OLBs he faced so far in his career speaks volumes

diabsoule
10-07-2009, 05:05 PM
they are replacing a very good DC.

I know they are but as I mentioned in my original post I thought they would put Dave McGinnis in charge than Chuck Cecil if they wanted to promote an in house candidate. Cecil impressed me as a DB coach but I didn't think he would be able to make the transition to a DC. He was a DB in the pro's and then a DB coach. He doesn't know the in's and out's of coaching DB's or LB's.
Cecil never made any of the lists I've made about the next defensive coordinator's in the NFL.

49ersfan_87
10-07-2009, 05:07 PM
How about the Broncos defense? They've allowed a whopping 26 points over 4 games, and only 2 Touchdowns. I know they've faced weak competition, but that's still an amazing feat.

Dam8610
10-07-2009, 05:10 PM
How about the Broncos defense? They've allowed a whopping 26 points over 4 games, and only 2 Touchdowns. I know they've faced weak competition, but that's still an amazing feat.

They did well against the Cowboys, but the Cowboys are such an up and down team. They might end up surrendering more points this week than they have all season, much as I'd like to see the exact opposite happen and them somehow pull off the upset...

DoughBoy
10-07-2009, 05:21 PM
they are replacing a very good DC.

Yes we are. Jim had his struggles early in his career (lack of talent for the most part) but he still was creative. Chuck runs the exact same defense as Jim, but he doesn't have Jim's feel for the game. Maybe he just needs time but as talented as our defense is (and it is talented), we should be so much better than we are.

Shiver
10-07-2009, 05:28 PM
They aren't missing Haynesworth in the run game, but the lack of the interior pass rush has exposed their secondary. They reminded me of the 2004 Carolina Panthers last year, in that their D-Line protected a mediocre secondary. How did three of those guys made the pro-bowl is beyond me. They have been shredded by every single QB to date and now they face Brady and Manning.

TitanHope
10-07-2009, 06:15 PM
They aren't missing Haynesworth in the run game, but the lack of the interior pass rush has exposed their secondary. They reminded me of the 2004 Carolina Panthers last year, in that their D-Line protected a mediocre secondary. How did three of those guys made the pro-bowl is beyond me. They have been shredded by every single QB to date and now they face Brady and Manning.

They absolutely deserved all their awards they received last season, and saying the lack of pass-rush has exposed them is like saying the lack of pass-blocking has exposed a QB. Harper has been trash, though.

Of the 3 Pro Bowlers, I'd say Michael Griffin has been the shakiest, but I don't think Cecil is using him effectively. He's a middle-fielding FS, yet Cecil has both him and Chris Hope up on the line either blitzing or whatever. Hope has been fine, in my opinion, and so has Finnegan until he was injured. But yeah, I think Griffin is being moved around too much.

Plus, it's not all on the DB's. Even Keith Bulluck, Stephen Tulloch, and David Thornton have struggled - especially on TE's. It seems that Bulluck is just a half step late covering TE's, so guys like Heath Miller, Owen Daniels, and Marcedes Lewis/Ernest Wilford have had good outings with just quick passes underneath and screens.

bigbluedefense
10-07-2009, 08:45 PM
Im concerned about Eli. He carries our offense, but this injury can really screw up his mechanics and mobility.

Mr. Stiller
10-08-2009, 12:03 AM
That's something I've noticed about them. Yes they give up pressure and sacks, but usually ben has a good 5 seconds before that starts to happen, after which he'll scramble and hold onto the ball for another 3 or 4 before finally getting sacked or getting rid of it. That's a pretty good job by the oline.

Thats part of it.

Theres only been one occasion that Roethlisberger threw the ball away this season, and that was against the Chargers to save yardage for a field goal attempt.

The OL Looks worse when people look at it Stats based. Sure we give up a high amount of Pressures and Sacks, but Ben is a live by/die by the big play kind of player. He'll take unnecessary sacks, but he'll make plays that most other QB's would have gotten rid of the ball.

Here's a telling sign of Roethlisberger and that OL cohesion this year.


Ben is:

#2 in completions
#5 in Attempts
#1 in completion (73.2%)
#7 in Avg attempts per game
#3 in Yards
#3 in YPA
#8 in QB Rating

And I think the next 2 games will heavily inflate those #'s provided the OC doesn't turtle with a 14 point lead.


And I wouldn't say that Roethlisberger is necessarily making that line look worse than what it is. I'd lean that more on Willie Parker.

He's not the same RB before his leg injury to end 07.

He's indecisive and tentative. Lacks his FWP Burst. (Granted it was the Chargers) but Mendenhall was decisive, explosive and showed the vision that we've been lacking severely since "Running the Wheels" off Willie.

Atleast 10 times this season I saw Willie get tackled by Shoelace tackles or arm tackles... not to mention the times he runs in the back of his offensive lineman....

The best was the 3 times in the Titans game, 4 in the bears and 3 in the Bengals.... The OL opened a wide gap, he never cut back, only to run directly into a defender, as if he gave up on the play.

Breath of Fresh air watching Mendenhall see that Jersey and cut it back up inside for 4+ yard gains.

Iamcanadian
10-08-2009, 04:24 AM
Forgot the Bidwell family in Zona, maybe Mike Brown in Cincy as the worst of the hands-on owners/GMs.

Jones got his fingers burned after giving away 2 top picks to Seattle for Joey Galloway 10 yrs. ago & backed off on manipulating Dallas personnel. Now he's dicking around again, anything for material for his annual Draft Day interview... Jones will fight his way through an SRO auditorium to the camera light for facetime. Garrett's playcalling & Romo's folding under big game pressure are what's heating up the seat under Wade Phillips now, just this one very frustrated Dallas fan's opinion.

While I'm not too crazy about the Bidwell and Brown, they at least have/had some excuses for fielding weak teams. They both had low revenue teams and lacked the money to compete for top FA's and maintain solid scouting departments. Phoenix built Bidwell a new stadium with a huge increase in revenue and since then Arizona is far more competitive. It is extremely tricky to field a competitive team if you are a low revenue team. Cincy, Buffalo, etc. are just a couple of examples. Some small revenue cities have been successful by having a top organization but it will always be a lot tougher for a low revenue team to win consistently.

Jones hardly has that excuse and neither has Ford or Snyder.

jth1331
10-08-2009, 06:38 PM
I just find it interesting how many people still dog on the Broncos.
Heck, someone saying they'd be shocked if the Broncos won 8 games after already starting 4-0 is something. They should be virtually guaranteed wins vs. KC and Oakland at home, so they will only go 1-9 in the remaining 10 games?
I think people loved to hate on the Broncos and make fun of them in the offseason and now that they are showing they are respectable with a decent core on offense and defense, it is making them look silly for the early predictions. For one, all the people predicting the Broncos to finish in the bottom 5 of the league.