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coordinator0
10-15-2009, 09:47 AM
The Ravens go into Minnesota on 2 game losing streak, while the Vikings are coming off of a commanding win against the Browns. This is a very important game for the Ravens who don't want to go into the bye week on a three game losing streak.

This will be a very good game in my opinion. I'm not going to make a prediction (I will vote for the Ravens in the poll as always), but I could see this game as a loss for Baltimore. I don't like that we've gotten away from the run recently (that might be good against the Vikings though), and our defense just isn't what it was. I don't know if it's play-calling or player performance, but it's not good. Perhaps all of Ryan's crazy blitzes were to cover up for our poor coverage in years past, we just didn't notice it. I hope we get back to at least a decent pass defending team soon.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
10-15-2009, 12:18 PM
I think the Vikings plan to run run run and people are going to sleep on our run defense because of last week. This is going to be a incredibly hard game and I want to say we are going to win and I voted that way because I am a homer but Vikings are the favorite

banetzdererste
10-15-2009, 12:58 PM
We will win this Thing.

AP is tough to stop, but we will bounce back after last week.
Our D will not alow him to rush for 100+

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-15-2009, 08:17 PM
I voted Vikings, but I have a better feeling about this game than I did with the Patriots game.

Ravens1991
10-15-2009, 08:25 PM
This is a big game I think we have a shot.

I want to see a WR step up and actually get the hell open

I want to see our pass rush actually help our CBs out, our pass rush is pathetic. I would want to see us fix up the defensive system, we do not have the players to have a traditional 43 defense.

I would like to see more of the suggs package, just to mix things up a bit.

TACKLE
10-15-2009, 09:05 PM
I feel confident in the D. I think they're going to bounce back and have a big day against AD. The corners are the weakness of the D but I think without an effective run game Favre will struggle to exploit them. Also, if Brett wants to chuck up a deep ball off his back foot, E Reed is going to run another one back to the house.

Offensively, Flacco and the WR's need to step up and have a big game. It's going to be hard to run the ball and the Recievers need to step up and make some plays.

coordinator0
10-15-2009, 09:23 PM
This is a big game I think we have a shot.

I want to see a WR step up and actually get the hell open

I want to see our pass rush actually help our CBs out, our pass rush is pathetic. I would want to see us fix up the defensive system, we do not have the players to have a traditional 43 defense.

I would like to see more of the suggs package, just to mix things up a bit.

How so? The only thing that's really missing IMO is an UT, and Pryce can move inside there anyways. Mattison is calling plays in the 3-4 like it's a 4-3 anyways, he just rushes 4 and puts the other guys in coverage. The problem is that the four guys he rushes can't get to the QB, and Suggs won't be able to do it alone. Nobody can.

Ravens1991
10-15-2009, 09:27 PM
I think our players are better suited in the 3-4 when you dont know who is blitzing. I just feel we should go back to the rex ryan D. Plus I dont really like JJ as a 4-3 OLB

coordinator0
10-15-2009, 09:33 PM
I agree that it's better suited for us when we bring unknown pressure, but that's just not Mattison's way of doing it (or at least it doesn't look that way so far). It would really surprise me to see him start throwing in Ryan-esque blitzes and such now after we've already played a couple of tough games and an important divisional game. He's just not a 3-4 defensive coordinator, nor had he run it anywhere before this year.

JJ isn't an ideal OLB I know, but as a SLB he can do just fine. After all he is one of the most versatile defensive players in the league. I would guess that he would get rotated in at LE in a true 4-3 anyways. The 4-3 might be the defense of the future in Baltimore, and both our head coach and defensive coordinator have a lot of experience on teams that run that style of defense.

EdReedUnstoppable
10-15-2009, 10:03 PM
Vikings 28
Ravens 16

Tough game, late AP TD makes the score look worse than it is.

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-16-2009, 06:10 PM
Jared Gaither has been down graded to doubtful, I guess something felt wrong during Thursday or Friday. Harbaugh says he'll be a game time decision.

Hines
10-16-2009, 07:13 PM
I have the Vikings in this game because I your team's guts. hahaha. But Ray Rice better have a good game.

mikedoobie
10-17-2009, 01:28 PM
This is gonna be an awesome game
The key to this game is keeping it tight and do not fall behind early. if we can even get a 3 point lead early on i think we have the game but if we fall behind, Childress will pull the ball control game and let loose the freaky vikings DL.
But i think if we stick to our gameplan, stop adian get obvious pass situations, and hold on to the ball we can win. Also we gotta get all backs involved but i think the game will be ray rice's. they come upfield quick we need to take advantage with cutbacks, screens, draws and delays to the flats and out of the backfield
I picked Baltimore, i think it will come down to the last couple of drives

General Zod
10-18-2009, 12:26 AM
Good luck today all. Here's to a good injury free game!

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 12:23 PM
Geez, Minnesota is just moving down the field at will. No pressure on Favre on that 3rd down throw to Sidney Rice, and Peterson is getting positive yardage on everyplay. So far, it's looking like Minnesota will dominate this game.

edit- Wow, Berrian wide open in the endzone, absolutley embarassing. Chris Carr and Washington just ran into each other. Geez, this is exactly what I was hoping not for, our defense expects our offense to carry the team, and they just aren't good enough.

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 12:35 PM
Wow, why is Chris Carr returning punts? He had an easy catch and he let it bounce and roll all the way to from the 28 yard line to the 8. Put Webb back there!!

coordinator0
10-18-2009, 12:40 PM
Geez, Minnesota is just moving down the field at will. No pressure on Favre on that 3rd down throw to Sidney Rice, and Peterson is getting positive yardage on everyplay. So far, it's looking like Minnesota will dominate this game.

edit- Wow, Berrian wide open in the endzone, absolutley embarassing. Chris Carr and Washington just ran into each other. Geez, this is exactly what I was hoping not for, our defense expects our offense to carry the team, and they just aren't good enough.

Actually Harvin bull-dozed Washington down and it wasn't called...

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 01:59 PM
yeah, I saw that on the replay. but either way, the Ravens defense is playing like crap. I thought they were gonna improve after Benson tore em up, but obviously not.

coordinator0
10-18-2009, 02:05 PM
They are looking better now. When Minnesota doesn't have tremendous field position, we are getting stops.

Ray Rice FTW!

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 02:12 PM
geez, big plays. big ******* PLAYS!! our defense is pathetic.

coordinator0
10-18-2009, 02:21 PM
Fabian is pathetic. He's responsible for a lot of the big pass plays against us.

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 02:48 PM
okay, Flacco and the offense does there job and gets a score with Clayton, lets see if the defense can keep the Ravens in it and get a stop.

Guess not, Adrian Peterson just had a 58 yarder as I was typing this. Pathetic. This defense really isn't what they used it be. I don't even know whats wrong, I mean I thought if all else fails, stopping the run was be a staple in this defense, guess I was wrong.

DHVF
10-18-2009, 02:49 PM
edit wrong thread

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 02:55 PM
okay, the Ravens offense gets them BACK IN THE GAME ONCE AGAIN! lets see if our defense can get 1 FREAKING STOP!!! which will get us back into the game!!

-edit, Lardarius Webb is a stud special teamer, great job returning kicks as well as coverage on kickoffs and downing the ball on punt teams.

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 03:04 PM
Wow, what an epic comeback, can our defense hold Favre and the Vikings offense in the 4th quarter?

LETS GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ily Ray Rice


WHY THE **** IS FRANK ******* WALKER IN THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ****!!!

A Perfect Score
10-18-2009, 03:25 PM
well that was disappointing, to say the least.

TACKLE
10-18-2009, 03:33 PM
**** YOU HAUSCHKA!!!! Miss from 44. Are you kidding me!!

On a more positive note Flacco was excellent and Raymell was godly.

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 03:39 PM
I'm sure everyone is pissed at Hauscka, but lets face it, the defense played like **** today. They broke down in the 4th quarter on the game winning drive like they normally do and allowed Longwell to kick the Game winning FG, sure Hasuscka let us all down, but in the end, the offense put up 31, and even the Detriot Lion defense can hold offenses under 33. Absolutely pathetic by the Ravens defense. Mattison needs to go and Clarence Brooks needs to be in charge of what the Ravens do defensively.

General Zod
10-18-2009, 03:49 PM
Great game all. Flaco/Rice=Studs.

TACKLE
10-18-2009, 03:53 PM
I'm sure everyone is pissed at Hauscka, but lets face it, the defense played like **** today. They broke down in the 4th quarter on the game winning drive like they normally do and allowed Longwell to kick the Game winning FG, sure Hasuscka let us all down, but in the end, the offense put up 31, and even the Detriot Lion defense can hold offenses under 33. Absolutely pathetic by the Ravens defense. Mattison needs to go and Clarence Brooks needs to be in charge of what the Ravens do defensively.

The defense didn't play well and the whole team was outplayed for 3.5 quarters but nonetheless, they were in a position to win the game and Hauschka choked.

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 04:03 PM
The defense didn't play well and the whole team was outplayed for 3.5 quarters but nonetheless, they in a position to win the game and Hauschka choked.

yeah, most definitely, but I think they were outplayed for a full 4 quarters, they are the ones that let Favre drive down and allow Longwell to make the GW, not Hauschka, while Hauschka he did lose the game for us, the defense IMO is the main reason why we lost. They just don't have it anymore, they look great against Kansas City and Cleveland, but they've been opened up by all the good teams. I really hope Harbaugh demotes Mattison and gives the play calling to Clarence Brooks, its the perfect time to do so, since we are entering a bye week. I mean freakin 33 points is just way too much.

dcarey20
10-18-2009, 05:35 PM
Greg Mattison, Frank Walker, Fabian Washington, Chris Carr, Dawan Landry, and especially Steven Hauschka...

GTFO!!!!!!!!

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 06:19 PM
Greg Mattison, Frank Walker, Fabian Washington, Chris Carr, Dawan Landry, and especially Steven Hauschka...

GTFO!!!!!!!!

yup. they all suck. We should put Tom Zbikowski at SS and give Lardarius Webb the starting nickel spot. Let Clarence Brooks take over the defensive play calling and if not that, then let Ray Lewis and Ed Reed run the defense.

America
10-18-2009, 07:36 PM
Such a disappointing way to lose. Especially another close loss for the 3rd straight week. We've choked on offense (Clayton), Defense (whoever was covering Caldwell) and now special teams. We badly need new corners. And what is up with the pass rush?

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
10-18-2009, 07:43 PM
We played awful for the most part but came back and made some big defensive plays late in the 4th to give out offense(Ray Rice) a chance to come back....Still think one of their touchdowns were from a offensive pass interference but we could of won it with a FG and we choked.

dcarey20
10-18-2009, 07:49 PM
I'm sure everyone is pissed at Hauscka, but lets face it, the defense played like **** today. They broke down in the 4th quarter on the game winning drive like they normally do and allowed Longwell to kick the Game winning FG, sure Hasuscka let us all down, but in the end, the offense put up 31, and even the Detriot Lion defense can hold offenses under 33. Absolutely pathetic by the Ravens defense. Mattison needs to go and Clarence Brooks needs to be in charge of what the Ravens do defensively.

The defense is ****** terrible. The secondary outside of Ed is absolutely pathetic.

Fabian is the biggest pansy I've ever seen, he wants nothing to do with tackling once his man catches the ball. It was almost tolerable last season, because his coverage was alright. But now he can't even stick his man so he's worthless.

Frank Walker has no business even being on this team. He's either getting beat, commiting a PI, or doing both on the same play.

Chris Carr is one of the worst acquisitions Ozzie has ever made. No explosiveness as a return man and can't even manage to make the correct decisions when he's returning. I saw him field a punt at the 5 yard line today with 4 Vikings around him. He's good for one bonehead decision every game. And on defense, he's as bad if not worse than Washington as far as being physical. Can't tackle, and even when he does make an attempt his man gets an extra 2 or 3 yards because Carr gets bulldozed.

Dawan Landry is a completely different player, he looks CLUELESS at times. Anyone see him on the 2nd Shiancoe TD? He had NO IDEA about where he should be. He's timid since his injury, and slow as hell to boot. Had no chance to catch Peterson on that one long run.

Greg Mattison's blitz packages are garbage. Not only do they not get any pressure at all, but they leave the middle of the field completely exposed. Our corners aren't good enough for us to blitz like he tries to.

As for Hauschka, not much that can be said other than you have to be able to hit a 44 yarder in a dome. Period. Especially after your team went through as much as they did to get in that position. I didn't really question the Stover decision too much before today. I was willing to give Steve the benefit of the doubt and see what he could do. But it's clear that letting Matt go was a mistake. It's not even like Hauschka is even doing anything for us on kickoffs either. Every kick is within the 5-10 yard line. If we're lucky he'll get 1 kickoff here and there to the goalline. Matt would have made that kick today. Not a doubt in my mind. We've seen it time and time again.

Some other things:

-Domonique Foxworth is clearly not a #1 corner. I'm not gonna get on his case too much, because he's been by far our best corner. And it's hard to pick on him when your other guys (Fabian, Carr, Walker) are all god awful. With that said, his play isn't warranting that 4 year, 28 million dollar deal, and he's clearly not a #1.

-Lardarius Webb needs to take over that nickel spot. He's been good at just about everything we've asked him to do, and he certainly can't be worse than that P.O.S. Chris Carr. Get the man on the field.

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-18-2009, 08:07 PM
The defense is ****** terrible. The secondary outside of Ed is absolutely pathetic.

Fabian is the biggest pansy I've ever seen, he wants nothing to do with tackling once his man catches the ball. It was almost tolerable last season, because his coverage was alright. But now he can't even stick his man so he's worthless.

Frank Walker has no business even being on this team. He's either getting beat, commiting a PI, or doing both on the same play.

Chris Carr is one of the worst acquisitions Ozzie has ever made. No explosiveness as a return man and can't even manage to make the correct decisions when he's returning. I saw him field a punt at the 5 yard line today with 4 Vikings around him. He's good for one bonehead decision every game. And on defense, he's as bad if not worse than Washington as far as being physical. Can't tackle, and even when he does make an attempt his man gets an extra 2 or 3 yards because Carr gets bulldozed.

Dawan Landry is a completely different player, he looks CLUELESS at times. Anyone see him on the 2nd Shiancoe TD? He had NO IDEA about where he should be. He's timid since his injury, and slow as hell to boot. Had no chance to catch Peterson on that one long run.

Greg Mattison's blitz packages are garbage. Not only do they not get any pressure at all, but they leave the middle of the field completely exposed. Our corners aren't good enough for us to blitz like he tries to.

As for Hauschka, not much that can be said other than you have to be able to hit a 44 yarder in a dome. Period. Especially after your team went through as much as they did to get in that position. I didn't really question the Stover decision too much before today. I was willing to give Steve the benefit of the doubt and see what he could do. But it's clear that letting Matt go was a mistake. It's not even like Hauschka is even doing anything for us on kickoffs either. Every kick is within the 5-10 yard line. If we're lucky he'll get 1 kickoff here and there to the goalline. Matt would have made that kick today. Not a doubt in my mind. We've seen it time and time again.

Some other things:

-Domonique Foxworth is clearly not a #1 corner. I'm not gonna get on his case too much, because he's been by far our best corner. And it's hard to pick on him when your other guys (Fabian, Carr, Walker) are all god awful. With that said, his play isn't warranting that 4 year, 28 million dollar deal, and he's clearly not a #1.

-Lardarius Webb needs to take over that nickel spot. He's been good at just about everything we've asked him to do, and he certainly can't be worse than that P.O.S. Chris Carr. Get the man on the field.

wow, I have to say, I completely agree with EVERYTHING you said. Our defense is playing at an all time low. There is no pressure, there in no pass coverage, and for the first time in Ravens history, there is no run defense. Nothing is clicking and I must say, if we want to make the playoffs, its GATTA GET FIXED. Our offense is good enough to win games, but not when the defense is constantly on the field and allowing opposing offenses to score 20+ a game. (+rep to you dcarey, nice post)

EdReedUnstoppable
10-19-2009, 12:34 AM
Not gonna take up for Hauschka, but here's a few other things that lost us this game.......

Where was our offense for 3 and a half quarters?

Why do John Harbaugh/Cam Cameron have zero balls? Settling for 3 before the half, on the 3rd down prior to the miss at the end, every pass is getting you 8-10 yards and you run a ******* draw play? How bout lets get it as close as possible for our basically rookie kicker making his first pressure kicking attempt of his entire kicking career!!!!!! When you play not to win you lose!

The D looks awful they get absolutely no pressure at all. The 60 million dollar man is awful, the 2nd rd pick who was supposed to save the pass rush doesnt even dress for games, its ridiculous. The DBs are all small and 2 of them dont belong in the NFL (Chris Carr/Frank Walker).

Dannell Ellerbe is better than Tavares Gooden, I hate to say it but its true, he needs more time out there next to Ray. And Brandon McKinney needs to be involved a little bit more, because that dude is an immovable object in the middle.

All that said Im not overly upset at this game, because with the start we had I thought the Vikes were gonna win 59-0. So while going into the bye week at 3-3 when you started 3-0 sucks (though I called it) Im not as mad at this loss as I was the Bengals loss.

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-19-2009, 11:35 AM
Not gonna take up for Hauschka, but here's a few other things that lost us this game.......

Where was our offense for 3 and a half quarters?

Why do John Harbaugh/Cam Cameron have zero balls? Settling for 3 before the half, on the 3rd down prior to the miss at the end, every pass is getting you 8-10 yards and you run a ******* draw play? How bout lets get it as close as possible for our basically rookie kicker making his first pressure kicking attempt of his entire kicking career!!!!!! When you play not to win you lose!

The D looks awful they get absolutely no pressure at all. The 60 million dollar man is awful, the 2nd rd pick who was supposed to save the pass rush doesnt even dress for games, its ridiculous. The DBs are all small and 2 of them dont belong in the NFL (Chris Carr/Frank Walker).

Dannell Ellerbe is better than Tavares Gooden, I hate to say it but its true, he needs more time out there next to Ray. And Brandon McKinney needs to be involved a little bit more, because that dude is an immovable object in the middle.

All that said Im not overly upset at this game, because with the start we had I thought the Vikes were gonna win 59-0. So while going into the bye week at 3-3 when you started 3-0 sucks (though I called it) Im not as mad at this loss as I was the Bengals loss.

I wouldn't blame Suggs, he's just one guy, its the whole front 7 as well as Greg Mattison, and it's not Krugers fault he's not playing, as far as I know, the coaches are the ones not letting him play because of his lack of special teams play. I think its a dumb decision, especially when our pass rush is struggling as it is now. I agree about Walker and Carr, both are terrible, I mean, I thought Carr was a decent punt returner, but I was wrong, he's terrible. He's useless and Frank Walker is a joke. Fabian is worthless against teams with bigger WR's and same goes for Foxworth, although he was halfway decent yesterday. Our defense is really killing us now, and if Harbaugh and the coaching staff doesn't get it fixed, then I can't see the Ravens beating the Packers, Steelers, Bears, Bengals, Broncos, or even the Lions.

Lemme hit on some positives -
Lardarius Webb is a great KR, I don't know why he isn't our PR as well.

Michael Oher is for real, he played better than I thought against Jared Allen, and he is only going to get better. I can't wait till we get Gaither back. Our o-line will be back to elite status :) I really hope Ozzie doesn't let Gaither go, just because Oher has been playing well, that would be a disastrous decision.

Joe Flacco is the mother ******* truth. HE is so damn calm in the pocket, FANTASTIC poise and he is ineed Joe Cool. He was getting hit all day and still making great throws. I think we definetely have our franchise QB in Baltimore

Ray Rice is a monster. Need I say any more? He's an absolute stud.

Ravens1991
10-19-2009, 11:45 AM
-seriously **** Hauscka or w/e his name is, there is a reason why I said we should keep matt stover, yeah he has a sketchy leg but this Hauscka turd just isnt a ******* NFL quality kicker. every kicker in the NFL and a good amount of college kickers should make a 44 yard FG in a ******* DOME seriously that was embarassing. That kick wouldnt have been a 10 yard FG it was so disgustingly shanked.

-Flacco is a god, this guy will be very good 4 a very long time. The stats he put up against a good D is amazing, It is looking like we made the right choice Flacco over Ryan(homer statement o well)

-This defense is embarassing, seriously WTF. It is a mixture of the scheme and the players IMO. We aren't a traditional 4-3 team, the pass rush we get on the passer is pathetic, we gotta use the exotic blitzes that Rex Ryan used, it isnt that hard to figure out.

-I also hate to say it but we are missing Bart Scott drastically, I think our young ILB have a lot of talent but they are not on Scotts level yet.

-Landry is horrible as a cover SS, he looks like he never played football in his life before.

-Chris Carr makes Yamon Figures look like a mastermind at making the right decisions in returning Punts, that is just embarassing.

-Yes our secondary sucks they are afraid to be within 5 yards on a WR on coverage and are so un physical I want to puke.

-I have been a big fan of using a 1st round pick on a WR but seriously we might want to spend all of our picks on defense this game was embarassing.

dcarey20
10-19-2009, 01:26 PM
Dannell Ellerbe is better than Tavares Gooden, I hate to say it but its true, he needs more time out there next to Ray. And Brandon McKinney needs to be involved a little bit more, because that dude is an immovable object in the middle.

Word my man. Dannell made some huge tackles down the stretch. Gooden's a fine athlete but he's the Fabian Washington of middle linebackers. No physicality whatsoever. Huge downgrade from Bart. Bart may have not been the biggest playmaker in the world but he made every tackle, and drove his man back when he did make those tackles. Tavares is the opposite, he gets driven forward on his tackles. We took Bart for granted.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
10-19-2009, 01:40 PM
Word my man. Dannell made some huge tackles down the stretch. Gooden's a fine athlete but he's the Fabian Washington of middle linebackers. No physicality whatsoever. Huge downgrade from Bart. Bart may have not been the biggest playmaker in the world but he made every tackle, and drove his man back when he did make those tackles. Tavares is the opposite, he gets driven forward on his tackles. We took Bart for granted.

Not me. I hated that we had to lose one of our LB's this offseason. Just about everyone said how over-rated he was and how he is just a product of being next to Ray but I never thought that at all. I loved Bart Scott and how he played. I feel like when Ryan and Scott left they took our balls with them. I don't feel the emotion when our defense takes the field like we normally do. I mean we are usually moving all around and confusing offenses and that is what made us great. This year we sit there and let the offense know exactly where the blitz is coming and because of that we are getting no pressure. We have always had C-mac to do his job and we always worried about our second CB. This year we are worrying about both the corners and have no confidence in them. If it were a perfect world we would have Ryan/Scott/C-mac all playing for us but instead we lost all 3. We could of at least kept C-mac but instead we did him dirty and we don't even have the option of bringing him back. A lot of things are wrong with our defense this year but lets just hope we can get back to our normal selves and start ******** on teams defensivly

BmoreBlackByrdz
10-19-2009, 01:52 PM
yeah man, our season rests on how the defense plays, if they can turn it around, then we have a chance to beat the elite teams, however, if we must rely on the offense to carry us to the playoffs, it just isn't going to happen.

Ravens1991
10-19-2009, 07:24 PM
Not me. I hated that we had to lose one of our LB's this offseason. Just about everyone said how over-rated he was and how he is just a product of being next to Ray but I never thought that at all. I loved Bart Scott and how he played. I feel like when Ryan and Scott left they took our balls with them. I don't feel the emotion when our defense takes the field like we normally do. I mean we are usually moving all around and confusing offenses and that is what made us great. This year we sit there and let the offense know exactly where the blitz is coming and because of that we are getting no pressure. We have always had C-mac to do his job and we always worried about our second CB. This year we are worrying about both the corners and have no confidence in them. If it were a perfect world we would have Ryan/Scott/C-mac all playing for us but instead we lost all 3. We could of at least kept C-mac but instead we did him dirty and we don't even have the option of bringing him back. A lot of things are wrong with our defense this year but lets just hope we can get back to our normal selves and start ******** on teams defensivly

Something is up w/ Cmac IDK what it is he was doing good in baltimore til that atrocious Colts game, he went on IR then he got cut and no one has heard from him since.

But I agree it feels our swagger was lost w/ the departure of Scott and Ryan, at first when Scott said to the Ravens if you match the 48 million NYJ offered me I will sign, I thought GTFO you are not that good we probably have 3 LBs on this roster that can replace you. It turns out I was very wrong, yeah Scott wasnt the player he was in 2006 but he is very well rounded. he could rush, cover, hit as hard as anyone, and was willing to gobble up blockers so Ray could get all the glory. He had a Ray Lewis like intensity and work ethic as well, it shows we miss him.

dcarey20
10-19-2009, 11:23 PM
Not me. I hated that we had to lose one of our LB's this offseason. Just about everyone said how over-rated he was and how he is just a product of being next to Ray but I never thought that at all. I loved Bart Scott and how he played. I feel like when Ryan and Scott left they took our balls with them. I don't feel the emotion when our defense takes the field like we normally do. I mean we are usually moving all around and confusing offenses and that is what made us great. This year we sit there and let the offense know exactly where the blitz is coming and because of that we are getting no pressure. We have always had C-mac to do his job and we always worried about our second CB. This year we are worrying about both the corners and have no confidence in them. If it were a perfect world we would have Ryan/Scott/C-mac all playing for us but instead we lost all 3. We could of at least kept C-mac but instead we did him dirty and we don't even have the option of bringing him back. A lot of things are wrong with our defense this year but lets just hope we can get back to our normal selves and start ******** on teams defensivly

I loved Bart as well, thought he was a fine player. However I did believe that he was very replaceable. I thought we could plug someone in just like we did with Hartwell. Was wrong on that one.

Also, on a completely different subject, who wants Dawan Landry benched? I sure as hell do. I'd love to see what Nakamura can do, I think he can do a hell of alot better than Dawan in right now.

Ravens1991
10-19-2009, 11:33 PM
yea IDC nakamura or Zbi or Webb at SS IDC. I have never seen a player so confused in a goalline situation then Landry on that 2nd TD to that TE.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
10-20-2009, 08:36 AM
I have always been a fan of Landry but he hasn't been good this year and if benching helps I say do it

Ravens1991
10-20-2009, 11:48 AM
one thing I noticed is everyone hates Frank Walker I understand he is crap, but when he got that second pass interference he kept a sure fire TD to a FG putting us in a position to win the game. I think that any other CB gives up a TD there. (Yes that shows how pathetic our secondary is)

dcarey20
10-20-2009, 12:28 PM
one thing I noticed is everyone hates Frank Walker I understand he is crap, but when he got that second pass interference he kept a sure fire TD to a FG putting us in a position to win the game. I think that any other CB gives up a TD there. (Yes that shows how pathetic our secondary is)

Frank Walker is completely worthless and I hate to defend him in any way, but he probably should have had some sort of safety help there. For some reason Landry and Reed were about 30 yards behind that play.

That said, it doesn't excuse committing a pass interference AND giving up a catch on the same play. That's just comical. Not only can you not keep your hands off him Frank, but he still makes the grab. Dude is trash.