Suh at NT in a 3-4?

[LarryJohnson27]

Does anybody think Suh would be a good fit at the NT spot in a 3-4 defense like the Chiefs? He just screams Pioli/Patriots type of player to me.

[Paul]

Don't the Chiefs have more dire needs then another D-lineman? Especially when they just spent 2 top 5 picks on Dorsey and Jackson the past 2 years. I don't think it would be very prudent of them to invest another high pick on Suh.

[Hurricanes25]

Personally, I think he is a little bit too small to play NT in the 3-4.

[LarryJohnson27]

Don't the Chiefs have more dire needs then another D-lineman? Especially when they just spent 2 top 5 picks on Dorsey and Jackson the past 2 years. I don't think it would be very prudent to invest another high pick on Suh.

While I do somewhat agree and this is pretty much the response most Chiefs fans have had at this idea, Pioli clearly believes in building a foundation through the Dline, and our starting NT as of now is Ron Edwards. I myself would prefer Berry, but I see this possibly playing out like the Curry/Jackson situation.

[LarryJohnson27]

Personally, I think he is a little bit too small to play NT in the 3-4.

This is what led me to the question, as I can pretty much see him playing anywhere else. But maybe he can be a Jar Ratliff type of NT (who's very similar in size) due to his strength? Haley also seems to prefer smaller and more physically fit guys who have the strength to win battles, but the coniditioning to do it for 4 straight quarters.

[SwagU]

Does anybody think Suh would be a good fit at the NT spot in a 3-4 defense like the Chiefs? He just screams Pioli/Patriots type of player to me.

I see a bit of Richard Seymour in him line him up anywhere on the line and he will make plays for you but IMO he is just to much of an atheltic freak to use at NT. Put him in the 4-3 that is where his potential maxes out he showed he can stop the run, rush the passer and the guy can even drop back and cover. Definitely a 4-3 DT it would be a waste of his versatile talents to have him at NT.

[vidae]

Don't the Chiefs have more dire needs then another D-lineman? Especially when they just spent 2 top 5 picks on Dorsey and Jackson the past 2 years. I don't think it would be very prudent of them to invest another high pick on Suh.

I agree with this.

We need to be picking the best OT or Eric Berry if he's available.

[Paul]

This is what led me to the question, as I can pretty much see him playing anywhere else. But maybe he can be a Jar Ratliff type of NT (who's very similar in size) due to his strength?

I can't speak for all Cowboys fans, but as good as Ratliff is, I'm begging for a legit NT this offseason. I'd much rather have Ratliff and Ware coming off the same or opposite edges, with a big fat NT driving up the middle(That's what she said). I really believe we've done Ratliff a disservice by not going out and acquiring a real NT.

[Hurricanes25]

This is what led me to the question, as I can pretty much see him playing anywhere else. But maybe he can be a Jar Ratliff type of NT (who's very similar in size) due to his strength? Haley also seems to prefer smaller and more physically fit guys who have the strength to win battles, but the coniditioning to do it for 4 straight quarters.

If you look at the great 3-4 NT's in the league, they all have size.
Kris Jenkins- 6'4 360
Casey Hampton- 6'1 325
Shaun Rogers- 6'4 350
Vince Wilfork- 6'2 325

Jay Ratliff is a good player but is undersized for NT.

If you are looking for a great NT, Suh is not that guy but if you are looking for a good/solid NT, Suh can fit that bill.

[Babylon]

I'd try to avoid double teams with someone as great as Suh so i wouldnt play him at NT. As for the Chiefs i agree you cant put all your money at the DL position unless you're guaranteed your looking at the steel curtain/doomsday defense/fearsome foursome etc.

[D-Unit]

There is a misunderstanding of the Wade Phillips 3-4 defense. His 3-4 is very much unlike the Parcells and Lebeau 3-4 defenses. It's a 1 gap penetrating scheme versus the 2 gap space eating scheme. So saying Ratliff is undersized as a NT is correct if he's in a 2 gap scheme, but it's not correct if you're talking about Phillips' scheme. In Phillips' scheme Suh would be a beast. Not so much for the Chiefs though.

I can see where Paul is coming from... even I used to have that misconception until I did further research on the subject. Dallas doesn't need a big fat NT as long as Wade's scheme is in place. They need better DE play and ILB play. As long as we have Marcus Spears, we're playing with one arm behind our back.

[villagewarrior]

I see a bit of Richard Seymour in him line him up anywhere on the line and he will make plays for you but IMO he is just to much of an atheltic freak to use at NT. Put him in the 4-3 that is where his potential maxes out he showed he can stop the run, rush the passer and the guy can even drop back and cover. Definitely a 4-3 DT it would be a waste of his versatile talents to have him at NT.

I agree. Suh is too athletic to make him a space eater in the 3-4. You could do it, he'd be good, but you wouldn't be maximizing his full potential. He needs to play in the 4-3.

[MarioPalmer]

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!

He is a premiere 4-3 DT, not a fat ass with no pass rush moves. He is a beast at the DT spot. The Chiefs have much bigger needs than NT, they need a legit pass rushng OLB, a 2nd receiver, a legit TE, a real safety, and a corner who can actually run with any one. You guys are horrid, and NT is not a priority, so how about you take Suh off your list and just be glad you suck enough to get Berry.

[JFLO]

I think he has the capabilities of playing a 3-4 NT, but he is definitley best suited to play inside in a 4-3 or a 3-4 DE.

It seems this question pops up each week though...

[MarioPalmer]

I think he has the capabilities of playing a 3-4 NT, but he is definitley best suited to play inside in a 4-3 or a 3-4 DE.

It seems this question pops up each week though...

But these people are the same tools that said Mario Williams shoudl be picked by a 3-4 team cause he can play at the 3-4 DE spot. Sure he can, but you would be wasting your time and Mario's talent. There are certain players that are so damn good where they are that you should never mess with that. Mario is definitly one of them and so is Suh. McCoy is the other one. Suh and McCoy are absolute monsters, and Suh could technically play in the 3-4 but why waste him like that? As well as McCoy could technically play DE in a 3-4, but once again why the hell waste him like that?

[JFLO]

But these people are the same tools that said Mario Williams shoudl be picked by a 3-4 team cause he can play at the 3-4 DE spot. Sure he can, but you would be wasting your time and Mario's talent. There are certain players that are so damn good where they are that you should never mess with that. Mario is definitly one of them and so is Suh. McCoy is the other one. Suh and McCoy are absolute monsters, and Suh could technically play in the 3-4 but why waste him like that? As well as McCoy could technically play DE in a 3-4, but once again why the hell waste him like that?

That is just the belly of the beast though...if a team thinks that Suh is their best fit for a 3-4 NT, then they are going to draft him.

For example, Cleveland wouldn't care if Tampa Bay thought Suh was a better threat inside than outside. In Cleveland's eyes, putting him inside in a 3-4 isn't a waste, it is a very valuable pick.

I totally agree with you though. It's just the fact that some talent goes wasted like every draft pick from Oakland in the past 10 years:D

[MarioPalmer]

That is just the belly of the beast though...if a team thinks that Suh is their best fit for a 3-4 NT, then they are going to draft him.

For example, Cleveland wouldn't care if Tampa Bay thought Suh was a better threat inside than outside. In Cleveland's eyes, putting him inside in a 3-4 isn't a waste, it is a very valuable pick.

I totally agree with you though. It's just the fact that some talent goes wasted like every draft pick from Oakland in the past 10 years:D

There is nothing I hate more than watching talented young players go to waste because some franchise thinks they can turn him into something he is not. It pisses me off like no other. I'm dead serious. Even if it's a team I liek and they draft someone and try to turn him into something he's not. Prime example is this past draft when the Redskins drafted Orakpo then turned him into a OLB.....I mean WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate wathcing players get burned by the team that drafts him. I freakin despise it. Glen Dorsey will never be the guy who is suppsed to be playing as a 3-4 DE. He just won't. He's totally playing out of position. He needs to be traded so that he can salvage any remaining talent he has left.

[D-Unit]

There is nothing I hate more than watching talented young players go to waste because some franchise thinks they can turn him into something he is not. It pisses me off like no other. I'm dead serious. Even if it's a team I liek and they draft someone and try to turn him into something he's not. Prime example is this past draft when the Redskins drafted Orakpo then turned him into a OLB.....I mean WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate wathcing players get burned by the team that drafts him. I freakin despise it. Glen Dorsey will never be the guy who is suppsed to be playing as a 3-4 DE. He just won't. He's totally playing out of position. He needs to be traded so that he can salvage any remaining talent he has left.
I agree. But that just shows you that even NFL teams think that way. NFL coaches have tremendous egos that make them believe they can mold a guy so long as he has the talent to work with. But sometimes they are right, you know. They're not always wrong.

[JT Jag]

I don't think Suh is ideal as a NT.

I think he could be an Aaron Smith-like impact player at 3-4 DE, however.

[BUC backer]

Personally I'd rather see him as a 5-tech than a nose. We know he has good strength to hold the point at end (otherwise this thread wouldn't even have validity). Also its clear that he is athletic, has good COD skills and is great at shedding blocks with his hands.

In addition at 6-4 305ish he has the frame for the position.

[MarioPalmer]

I agree. But that just shows you that even NFL teams think that way. NFL coaches have tremendous egos that make them believe they can mold a guy so long as he has the talent to work with. But sometimes they are right, you know. They're not always wrong.

No, I get it. Richard Seymour was an outstanding pick and fit the 3-4 DE perfectly. Same goes for Merriman and Ware as 3/4 OLB. So I know it works. But to turn an obvious 4-3 beast, Suh, into a 3/4 DE and hoping that he fits the mold, instead of taking someone like Eric Berry ,at the same draft spot and the team is desperatley needing, who has just as much of an impact on the field and who is also an elite prospect seems to be an EPIC FAIL from the beginning. Why risk it with Suh if you can get Berry, who seems to be a safer pick and who will impact about the same?

[Todd Bertuzzi]

I agree with this.

We need to be picking the best OT or Eric Berry if he's available.

Unfortunately it's a pretty weak draft at OT. You guys need to stop winning or Okung won't be there when you pick!

The only way I can see the Chiefs drafting Suh is if they trade Dorsey.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Unfortunately it's a pretty weak draft at OT. You guys need to stop winning or Okung won't be there when you pick!

The only way I can see the Chiefs drafting Suh is if they trade Dorsey.

Agreed. I also really think Haley will want some offensive pieces this time around.

And Suh likely is a DE in a 3-4. Definitely not a NT on any type of rushing down at least.

[Babylon]

Unfortunately it's a pretty weak draft at OT. You guys need to stop winning or Okung won't be there when you pick!

The only way I can see the Chiefs drafting Suh is if they trade Dorsey.


That is pretty funny, "better stop winning", they've won one game. As for Okung he should be there when they pick because he frankly has no business going in the top 8-10 picks.

[PossibleCabbage]

Yeah, from what I can tell Suh's best positions would be either the 3-technique or the 5-technique. He's probably a guy you can feel comfortable subbing in the 0-tech or the 1-tech in case your starter needs to take a breather because he's a monster, but NT seems kind of like a waste of his talents.

That being said, if you need to put him in at NT in a 1-gaping system, I have no doubt on his ability to perform, but it's not going to be ideal for either him or the scheme. They say that the personnel weakness of the 3-4 is that good NTs are hard to find, and they say that because... good 3-4 NTs are hard to find.

[D-Unit]

I just wanna say... how amazing is it that Bill Parcells found Jay Ratliff in the 7th round...?

[DeepThreat]

I've gotta reiterate what was said earlier. In a Phillips 3-4, yes he can, but in a 2 gap, no. He's best of as a 5 tech or 4-3 nose.

[Rosebud]

Suh might not have the frame for this comparison but he reminds me of albert haynesworth with his length, athleticism and ogreish strength. I think he could be a monster 3-4 DE, so while I think he could also be a very high caliber player at NT in a few years, he'll be much more dangerous at DE or in a 4-3 scheme.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

If Suh figures out the leverage game better and works on using his legs more, I guess he could probably pass as a nose guard, but he's a far ways away from that right now. I would agree that he's a 5 or a 3 tech right now.

[RaiderNation]

He can play it and do alright, or you can move him to DE in a 3-4 or DT in a 4-3 and play like Richard Seymour

[BamaFalcon59]

Suh is very, very good. Dominant in the college game.

But he is going to have to improve in some facets. Right now he is thriving off of his insane upper body strength, awareness, and explosion off the ball. But like Paranoid said, his lower body could use some work along with his leverage.

I think Suh will be very good, but I don't think he is the prospect right now people are making him out to be.

[D-Unit]

I like Suh as a 3-4 end in Wade's scheme only. If he's just asked to be a space eater, then he will not only not be used correctly, but he will not do that well. Suh will be pushed backwards all day long if he's not rushing the passer or hitting the gaps.

Gerald McCoy is the superior prospect.

[DeepThreat]

I don't see that at all. I think he's a stronger Richard Seymour basically, and Seymour did fine in the two gap 3-4. Maybe you can offer more of an explanation, but to me, it just doesn't make sense.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

I don't see that at all. I think he's a stronger Richard Seymour basically, and Seymour did fine in the two gap 3-4. Maybe you can offer more of an explanation, but to me, it just doesn't make sense.

"Stronger" is pretty vague. Suh has more upper body strength than Seymour had coming out of Georgia, to be sure. But Suh has by and large relied on that arm strength to get blockers off-balance and not much else while Seymour was taller, longer, and got better leverage. Seymour was a smarter and better technical player when he left school than Suh is right now. Not to say Suh doesn't have gobs of potential, but he'll have to expand his repertoire significantly once he hits the pros.

[quincyyyyy]

I just wanna say... how amazing is it that Bill Parcells found Jay Ratliff in the 7th round...?

or Jeff Ireland. I wouldn't immediately give Parcells credit for that. From my understanding he let the scouts have at it in the later rounds.

[D-Unit]

or Jeff Ireland. I wouldn't immediately give Parcells credit for that. From my understanding he let the scouts have at it in the later rounds.
I'd believe you if you could back that up.

Parcells has always cherished late round picks.

[ElectricEye]

He's an end in a 3-4 every single time. No way anyone would use him at NT. That position is about lower body strength and leverage, which are the only concerns with Suh. Doesn't make sense at all.

[quincyyyyy]

I'd believe you if you could back that up.

Parcells has always cherished late round picks.

That's just what I've read. Although, I can't imagine Parcells knew a lot about someone like McQuistan from Weber state. He cherished late round picks, but that doesn't mean he was the one that picked the players.

[bored of education]

MarioPalmer. you have no ******* clue. Do you know what happens when someone like Pioli comes into an organization? Do you understand no part is greater than the whole? The Chiefs are a abysmal, yes I will agree with you there. Glenn Dorsey is just a number, Mario Williams is just a number, Tom Brady is just a number. Pioli is the type of guy who has the success whether through trades, good coaching staffs, a lot of numbers who fit a system and buy into a philsopohy that impreganates success. Dorsey is playing better than any 3-4 DE in the NFL right now. Dorsey for the immense talent he is, is buying in to the system which makes him better than any UT he could be in a 4-3 with ****** players. Dorsey is a square peg trying to fight in a round hole. But right now he is the MVP on that defense. As much as that means at this point we will never know. But one thing it is doing for the rest of the defense is that, Dorsey a former top 5 pick is buying into a system, buying into a philosophy. He knows he could be the next Warren Sapp, he knows he makes more money than most guys on that team will sniff. But he is doing something that is more admirable than being a stud UT on a team never going to snff .500. He is going to be a part, whether traded for more pieces or staying on KC that will lead this team to be more than a joke in this league. I hated the idea of Dorsey being a DE in the 3-4. I thought no way would he succeed. He is making me beleive, the film doesn't lie. He has been a force and he is playing a position you say he doesn't fit the typical mold. WHO THE **** ARE YOU?

I would type up another 5 paragraph response to what you have said about the Chiefs being terrible, yes they are. No one who knows football would want Suh to play 3-4 NT in the Chiefs system. It's almost as bad as thinking the Chiefs should draft Cody with a top 20 pick. But they are slowly making strides. They do need an offensive line, you know how that is being a fan of the Texans and Bengals. If a Qb gets a few seconds in the pocket your team can go from starting 1-5 to a 4-2 team in a heartbeat. The need another weapon. They need a guy in the 2nd or 3rd to develop to be the OLB opposite Hali.

But I want to assume you have an understanding about football. Understand that people like Dorsey can succeed if they want to regardless of system. Give it time let things work out the way the may, Dorsey is one of the few reasons why the Chiefs are not 0-5, are not a complete and utter embarrassment to football, one of the reasons they haven't lost a game by more than 59 points.

[D-Unit]

That's just what I've read. Although, I can't imagine Parcells knew a lot about someone like McQuistan from Weber state. He cherished late round picks, but that doesn't mean he was the one that picked the players.
Why would he cherish late round picks and not pick the players? This is the grocery guy, remember? He wanted to cook the meal and buy the groceries. This is the guy who left Head Coaching to move on to player personnel management. Parcells has an eagle eye for talent. It's proven. I have no reason to believe he didn't make the late round picks. It's the first round picks that Jerry clung onto more.

[BamaFalcon59]

I don't see that at all. I think he's a stronger Richard Seymour basically, and Seymour did fine in the two gap 3-4. Maybe you can offer more of an explanation, but to me, it just doesn't make sense.

Watch Suh play. Often times he wins his battle simply by tossing the guard or center to the wayside. If he doesn't do this he either jolts off the ball or waits for the pass in an effort to bat the ball down.

But he is also a very smart player; I wouldn't doubt his ability to adjust.

[quincyyyyy]

Why would he cherish late round picks and not pick the players? This is the grocery guy, remember? He wanted to cook the meal and buy the groceries. This is the guy who left Head Coaching to move on to player personnel management. Parcells has an eagle eye for talent. It's proven. I have no reason to believe he didn't make the late round picks. It's the first round picks that Jerry clung onto more.
Um no: Barbie Carpenter was a Parcells pick, as was JuJo, as was Jacob Rogers, as was Stephen Peterman, as was Fasano, as was Spears etc. ect.


Furthermore, Parcells wanted that tackle that the Jets took in '03 instead of Newman, but Jerry and Lacewell (? I think it was him) had to take Parcells out to dinner the night before to convince him to draft Newman. In '05 Parcells wanted to take Spears at 12 instead of Ware.

Parcells was very much a sub par evaluator of talent.

Furthermore, I'm sure Parcells was involved in drafting the late rounds at some level, but during the Parcells days the scouts had much more say in the late round picks than they did in the early round picks. Which is a stark contrast from today where the scouts have heavy influence from round 1 to 7.

[vidae]

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!

He is a premiere 4-3 DT, not a fat ass with no pass rush moves. He is a beast at the DT spot. The Chiefs have much bigger needs than NT, they need a legit pass rushng OLB, a 2nd receiver, a legit TE, a real safety, and a corner who can actually run with any one. You guys are horrid, and NT is not a priority, so how about you take Suh off your list and just be glad you suck enough to get Berry.

Wait, wut? Our corners are legit.

Tell us how you really feel bro.

[TACKLE]

Yes I think Suh could be a very good 3-4 NT. He is so strong and can take on double teams and does a great job at shedding blocks. He's not a 350lb 2-gapper but his skillset would allow him to be a successful NT even if he is a bit undersized. It's not his best fit at all but he could still be effective there.

[LarryJohnson27]

MarioPalmer. you have no ******* clue. Do you know what happens when someone like Pioli comes into an organization? Do you understand no part is greater than the whole? The Chiefs are a abysmal, yes I will agree with you there. Glenn Dorsey is just a number, Mario Williams is just a number, Tom Brady is just a number. Pioli is the type of guy who has the success whether through trades, good coaching staffs, a lot of numbers who fit a system and buy into a philsopohy that impreganates success. Dorsey is playing better than any 3-4 DE in the NFL right now. Dorsey for the immense talent he is, is buying in to the system which makes him better than any UT he could be in a 4-3 with ****** players. Dorsey is a square peg trying to fight in a round hole. But right now he is the MVP on that defense. As much as that means at this point we will never know. But one thing it is doing for the rest of the defense is that, Dorsey a former top 5 pick is buying into a system, buying into a philosophy. He knows he could be the next Warren Sapp, he knows he makes more money than most guys on that team will sniff. But he is doing something that is more admirable than being a stud UT on a team never going to snff .500. He is going to be a part, whether traded for more pieces or staying on KC that will lead this team to be more than a joke in this league. I hated the idea of Dorsey being a DE in the 3-4. I thought no way would he succeed. He is making me beleive, the film doesn't lie. He has been a force and he is playing a position you say he doesn't fit the typical mold. WHO THE **** ARE YOU?

I would type up another 5 paragraph response to what you have said about the Chiefs being terrible, yes they are. No one who knows football would want Suh to play 3-4 NT in the Chiefs system. It's almost as bad as thinking the Chiefs should draft Cody with a top 20 pick. But they are slowly making strides. They do need an offensive line, you know how that is being a fan of the Texans and Bengals. If a Qb gets a few seconds in the pocket your team can go from starting 1-5 to a 4-2 team in a heartbeat. The need another weapon. They need a guy in the 2nd or 3rd to develop to be the OLB opposite Hali.

But I want to assume you have an understanding about football. Understand that people like Dorsey can succeed if they want to regardless of system. Give it time let things work out the way the may, Dorsey is one of the few reasons why the Chiefs are not 0-5, are not a complete and utter embarrassment to football, one of the reasons they haven't lost a game by more than 59 points.


I agree with everything you said, but doesn't that kind of contradict what you're saying about Suh? If Dorsey can work out at his 3-4 DE position, I don't see why Suh can't play NT. It's not his best fit, but i think he can command double teams and hold his own in the NFL. My only question is, good enough for a top 10 pick? Probablly not, but it's worth discussion.

[ElectricEye]

I agree with everything you said, but doesn't that kind of contradict what you're saying about Suh? If Dorsey can work out at his 3-4 DE position, I don't see why Suh can't play NT. It's not his best fit, but i think he can command double teams and hold his own in the NFL. My only question is, good enough for a top 10 pick? Probablly not, but it's worth discussion.

He's not capable of playing the position at an NFL level. Why on earth would you draft him to do that? Dorsey was drafted to play in a 4-3. Had the Chiefs known they were going to switch schemes this soon, no way in hell they wouldn't pick someone else.

[BamaFalcon59]

He's not capable of playing the position at an NFL level. Why on earth would you draft him to do that? Dorsey was drafted to play in a 4-3. Had the Chiefs known they were going to switch schemes this soon, no way in hell they wouldn't pick someone else.

Disagree.

Suh is capable of playing it at a NFL level. It's just far too big of a risk considering his skill set to justify a top ten pick.

[ElectricEye]

Disagree.

Suh is capable of playing it at a NFL level. It's just far too big of a risk considering his skill set to justify a top ten pick.

I'm sure he's "capable' of playing it. Ty Warren could play NT in a 3-4 if he absolutely had to, but you wouldn't want that situation, let alone choose it.

This is a bit of a pet peeve of mine. People always want to play people out of position in a 3-4. You get a million threads like this every year about can so and so put on twenty pounds and play NT and such. It's just getting a little tired. Suh is an obvious penetrator who plays the gaps well, but he's not a space eater. Doesn't have the build of the skillset for it.

[PossibleCabbage]

Suh's certainly not going to be able to play NT in the 3-4 effectively right away, as it's one of the hardest positions in the NFL to master. With the exception of the rare player who seems tailor made to play that position, most of the good 3-4 NTs in the league start out at a different position or are brought along slowly. I mean, Kris Jenkins and Sean Rodgers started out as 4-3 DTs, Vince Wilfork split time with Keith Traylor at NT as a rookie, Green Bay drafted their NT of the future last year and they're starting him out at DE (while starting at NT a guy who started out 2-gapping in the 4-3), etc.

The Chiefs just really need to spend a later round pick on a developmental NT, and bring him along so he's ready to start in 2-3 years. I don't think there's anybody in this draft ready to play NT in the 3-4 right away, so any 3-4 team picking an NT in the first is going to also line him up at DE. The Chiefs don't need to spend any more first round picks on 3-4 DEs. Guys like Boo Robinson and Cam Thomas can absolutely develop into starting caliber 3-4 NTs with some development grooming, and can probably be had without spending a premium pick on them.

[wordofi]

Does anybody think Suh would be a good fit at the NT spot in a 3-4 defense like the Chiefs? He just screams Pioli/Patriots type of player to me.

No, because that would minimize his strengths such as his penetration and pass rushing.

[TonyGfortheTD]

ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!

He is a premiere 4-3 DT, not a fat ass with no pass rush moves. He is a beast at the DT spot. The Chiefs have much bigger needs than NT, they need a legit pass rushng OLB, a 2nd receiver, a legit TE, a real safety, and a corner who can actually run with any one. You guys are horrid, and NT is not a priority, so how about you take Suh off your list and just be glad you suck enough to get Berry.

You are a moron. The 3-4 all starts at the NT position. The Chiefs only have a journey man trying to fill in as a legit NT and that's it.

P.S. Stop posting.

[bigbuc]

Think he would be a better fit as a 3/4 DE and not a NT. I myself want to see him in a 4/3. I want him in Tampa Bay bad. But if a 3/4 team gets him, they'll be getting a great player.

[PossibleCabbage]

You are a moron. The 3-4 all starts at the NT position. The Chiefs only have a journey man trying to fill in as a legit NT and that's it.

P.S. Stop posting.

The Chiefs really need to sign a FA as an NT, and not bother drafting a guy high. There's nobody in this draft who's ready to play NT in the 3-4 at a high level right away. Everybody you'd draft looking at playing them at 3-4 NT is going to take a couple of years of seasoning (as will the Chiefs, to be honest), so you don't really need to devote a first rounder to it.

Vince Wilfork might hit FA, Ryan Pickett might hit FA, Casey Hampton might hit FA. If the Chiefs need a NT (and they do), they should look at those guys and not try to plug a rook in at one of the most challenging positions of any NFL defense.

[Rosebud]

The Chiefs really need to sign a FA as an NT, and not bother drafting a guy high. There's nobody in this draft who's ready to play NT in the 3-4 at a high level right away. Everybody you'd draft looking at playing them at 3-4 NT is going to take a couple of years of seasoning (as will the Chiefs, to be honest), so you don't really need to devote a first rounder to it.

Vince Wilfork might hit FA, Ryan Pickett might hit FA, Casey Hampton might hit FA. If the Chiefs need a NT (and they do), they should look at those guys and not try to plug a rook in at one of the most challenging positions of any NFL defense.

Unless they get Wilfork they'll need a replacement within the same 3-4 years you say it'll take a NT to develop so what they need to do is find both an FA place holder at the position and draft a young player to work with behind him.

For such an important position they need both a short term and long term solution and rarely do you get both from the same guy.

[D-Unit]

Um no: Barbie Carpenter was a Parcells pick, as was JuJo, as was Jacob Rogers, as was Stephen Peterman, as was Fasano, as was Spears etc. ect.


Furthermore, Parcells wanted that tackle that the Jets took in '03 instead of Newman, but Jerry and Lacewell (? I think it was him) had to take Parcells out to dinner the night before to convince him to draft Newman. In '05 Parcells wanted to take Spears at 12 instead of Ware.

Parcells was very much a sub par evaluator of talent.

Furthermore, I'm sure Parcells was involved in drafting the late rounds at some level, but during the Parcells days the scouts had much more say in the late round picks than they did in the early round picks. Which is a stark contrast from today where the scouts have heavy influence from round 1 to 7.
I'm not gonna say Parcells was perfect because he was terrible at times, but he did land us some gems that I am appreciative to him for. I don't think you can deny the way he turned the Cowboys around.

[D-Unit]

The Chiefs really need to sign a FA as an NT, and not bother drafting a guy high. There's nobody in this draft who's ready to play NT in the 3-4 at a high level right away. Everybody you'd draft looking at playing them at 3-4 NT is going to take a couple of years of seasoning (as will the Chiefs, to be honest), so you don't really need to devote a first rounder to it.

Vince Wilfork might hit FA, Ryan Pickett might hit FA, Casey Hampton might hit FA. If the Chiefs need a NT (and they do), they should look at those guys and not try to plug a rook in at one of the most challenging positions of any NFL defense.
Here I was kinda bummed that the Cowboys didn't draft Tank Tyler... thanks for clearing my conscience on that one. ;)

[MetSox17]

I'm not gonna say Parcells was perfect because he was terrible at times, but he did land us some gems that I am appreciative to him for. I don't think you can deny the way he turned the Cowboys around.

But how much of those gems that we have were at the hands of Parcells? Like quincy said, was it him, or the scouting department?

[quincyyyyy]

I'm not gonna say Parcells was perfect because he was terrible at times, but he did land us some gems that I am appreciative to him for. I don't think you can deny the way he turned the Cowboys around.

I do deny it.

[Mr. Stiller]

IMO:

Running downs: Suh = SDE
Passing downs: Suh = DE or NT

Suh like JT jag said.. Aaron Smith. But a bit quicker.

He's a guy I'd line up at DE in base sets.. but in Nickel/Dime, I'd line him up at Nose or On a gap for an attack.

What I'd do for Suh on the Steelers. a 2-4-5 Nickel with him and Ziggy Hood on the DL would be phenomenal.

He reminds me of a leaner, quicker, better shape version of Ngata.