2010 Draft Discussion Thread

[bored of education]

Never too early!

Early needs thus far: Offensive line, Wide Receiver, Linebackers.

[BPhilb]

I would add safety to the list also. Brown is a one year guy it appears.

[Splat]

I was going to make a top five needs list but its pretty hard I got OT #1 and NT #2 and after that I can't make up my mind there are so many.

[T-RICH49]

the top 5 on my board

1. Berry S
2. Okung OT
3. Bryant WR
4. Mays S
5. Williams OT

[nepg]

Depends on where they pick. I think they'll be in the 15-19 range. So I thinkk this makes WR, RB, DE, or OLB possibilities. Benn, LaFell, Best, Jones, Wootton, Hardy, McClain (ILB in 3-4)...

[BPhilb]

the top 5 on my board

1. Berry S
2. Okung OT
3. Bryant WR
4. Mays S
5. Williams OT


Overall I like that list.

[TonyGfortheTD]

Depends on where they pick. I think they'll be in the 15-19 range. So I thinkk this makes WR, RB, DE, or OLB possibilities. Benn, LaFell, Best, Jones, Wootton, Hardy, McClain (ILB in 3-4)...

Unless they trade down to get there, that would place the Chiefs at around 8-8 for the season. Already up to 5 losses so I just don't see that happening. Now it's possible they actually place outside of the top 5 and have a shot at moving down though.

As for my top 5 list:
1. Eric Berry S
2. Ndamukong Suh DT/DE
3. Russel Okung OT
4. Taylor Mays S
5. Bryan Bulaga OT

I added Suh onto the list as I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Dorsey is traded out of Kansas City during the offseason, and Dez Bryant off due to missing time because of losing eligibility. Pioli will frown upon that.

[nepg]

I've got them with 6-7 wins still. They're starting to put it together and their schedule is significantly weaker in the second half.

If they're picking early in the first, I'd stick Suh #1, with Dez Bryant #2.

[Splat]

The only way the Chiefs don't pick in the top ten is if they trade down.

[vidae]

My list is as follows:

1. OT
2. NT
3. LB
4. S
5. WR

If we're able to draft Eric Berry I think it would extremely difficult to pass on him, but we absolutely need to fix that OLine and quick. Cassel is getting killed back there.

[Hermstheman83]

My list is as follows:

1. OT
2. NT
3. LB
4. S
5. WR

If we're able to draft Eric Berry I think it would extremely difficult to pass on him, but we absolutely need to fix that OLine and quick. Cassel is getting killed back there.

Here's my list:
1.OT
2. OLB(pass rushing variety)
3. NT
4. S
5. WR


I think you have to take into consideration that Berry seems like once in a decade players, so It might be a problem passing on him. I put him lower on the list since DaJuan Morgan has shown promise, so if we do pass on him it might be because Pioli and Haley think Morgan can be a legit SS. I'm ok with Okung, but I've seen Bulage get bent over by Grahmn in the Michigan/Iowa game and don't think he'll be picked high. But, we have to get protection for Cassell if we expect him to survive 10+ years. Then if we take Okung, do we move Albert to guard or Right Tackle?

[vidae]

It depends. If Brian Waters stays, I could see Albert moving to RG or RT. That instantly makes our line better. Or, depending on where we pick, the OT we draft high could start at RT while Albert/Waters controls the left side.

[villagewarrior]

BPA unless said player is a QB or a CB. The Chiefs are terrible enough that they should just get the highest rated player and that would be an upgrade. In theory, with priority placed on certain positions like LT and pass rushers that should be a position that goes a long way towards bringing the Chiefs further from the edge.

[bored of education]

I agree about the BPA. I said this past off season was a lame duck off season the whole time. This season was all about bringing in the new mind set and finding players who are on the roster or some pick ups who fit the philosophy. I feel this offseason will be bringing in some decent vets nad just good overall football players.

A draft of LT, RB, DE, WR, OLB in that order wouldn't shock me. I think they will take best player available and maybe pick up a stop gap NT. I don't like this NT class but there are some younger guys in college that are like 6'0-6'2 310-330lbers that I am keeping an eye on.

[BPhilb]

I believe we need to add tight end to the list of needs. Obviously we will never have a Tony G, but just someone to go to the middle and make defenses give some attention would be a big help to the passing game overall.

[villagewarrior]

I believe we need to add tight end to the list of needs. Obviously we will never have a Tony G, but just someone to go to the middle and make defenses give some attention would be a big help to the passing game overall.

I think Sean Ryan is capable. I wouldn't be opposed to taking a TE (Gresham) but I think the Chiefs really need a big play threat at receiver to stretch the field. They already have a middle of the field type guy in Bowe.

[vidae]

I still like Cottam but I'm not sure what the deal with him is. Last week it showed him on the sideline in street clothes so I think he could be hurt. We drafted him in the third last year and haven't given him a real opportunity to be that guy.

[Splat]

I still like Cottam but I'm not sure what the deal with him is. Last week it showed him on the sideline in street clothes so I think he could be hurt. We drafted him in the third last year and haven't given him a real opportunity to be that guy.

I don't think he was hurt I think he just wasn't active thats not a good sign.

[villagewarrior]

They went out and got Pope while they already had Cottam. He must not be getting it. There were a lot of issues with him coming out of Tennessee and that may be a pick that we end up regretting.

[TonyGfortheTD]

It depends. If Brian Waters stays, I could see Albert moving to RG or RT. That instantly makes our line better. Or, depending on where we pick, the OT we draft high could start at RT while Albert/Waters controls the left side.

Even if Waters stays, Albert to move over to LG. Waters really needs to go though. Tired of seeing his bi-polar effort.

[John Preston]

I'm not ready to give up on Albert. I think he has just as much upside as any LT coming out next year. I think that he's still adjusting to a significant weight loss, and the new offensive scheme and coaching (Bill Muir is also a bad OL coach, IMO).

Personally, I think the Chiefs need to focus far more resources on developing the interior of the line, as it is absolutely among the worst I've ever seen.

I'd have no problem with spending our second pick on someone like O'Dowd, and Atlanta's second on a NT or OLB.

I think our first pick should be either S or a rush backer.

[vidae]

I'm not ready to give up on Albert. I think he has just as much upside as any LT coming out next year. I think that he's still adjusting to a significant weight loss, and the new offensive scheme and coaching (Bill Muir is also a bad OL coach, IMO).

Personally, I think the Chiefs need to focus far more resources on developing the interior of the line, as it is absolutely among the worst I've ever seen.

I'd have no problem with spending our second pick on someone like O'Dowd, and Atlanta's second on a NT or OLB.

I think our first pick should be either S or a rush backer.

I agree with you about everything you said.

I don't know that there will be a rush LB worthy of our first pick, which at this point has to be a top 5 pick, but Eric Berry will be there and he instantly makes our defense better.

I do agree with grabbing a Guard or Center with the first pick in the second, depending who is there, and people seem to like Boo Robinson for NT though I haven't seen him play. Could then use the third round pick to grab a RB if there is one worthy or one that happened to fall. RB is going to be a major need too.

[Splat]

RB is going to be a major need too.

If we fix the OL via draft and or FA I think we could get by with Charles and Smith or Charles and a later round rookie.

[villagewarrior]

I'm not ready to give up on Albert. I think he has just as much upside as any LT coming out next year. I think that he's still adjusting to a significant weight loss, and the new offensive scheme and coaching (Bill Muir is also a bad OL coach, IMO).

Personally, I think the Chiefs need to focus far more resources on developing the interior of the line, as it is absolutely among the worst I've ever seen.

I'd have no problem with spending our second pick on someone like O'Dowd, and Atlanta's second on a NT or OLB.

I think our first pick should be either S or a rush backer.

Yes.

I don't know much about Berry, haven't been able to see him play, but Mays hasn't impressed me from what I've seen. And I'm not sure about 3-4 edge rushers who are worthy of a top 5 pick. Kindle maybe, but I'm not sure. I like Jeremy Beal from Oklahoma, I doubt he'll come out and even if he does I doubt he'd still be around at the top of round 2.

[bored of education]

1. Eric Berry Umm DUH
2. Jason Fox LT (move Albert to Guard maybe?)
2a. Desmond Briscoe WR, stud across from Bowe
3. Brandon Lang OLB prospect who could spend time behind Vrable for a year
5a. Mike Petrus solid Guard prospect with a lot of experience
5b. Boris Lee ILB a tackling machine with experience and has a high football IQ
6. Bryan Anderson WR a larger target with good hands (i am going to see him this weekend vs. BC)
7. some big ****** that can play nose

[bored of education]

Pioli has had some succes with drafting linemen between 2-5. Some names to keep an eye on are Vladimen Ducasse out of UMASS. He is an LT but would be best suited playing inside at G. He is a mammoth of a man. Mike Petrus and Mike Johnson, two SEC linemen with a lot of experience and solid fundamentals.

development projects: Jared Veldheer who is efffing huge. I was doing research on this kid and holy hell is he huge. Ill find some tape on him.

Sergio Render has been up and down this year and so has Sam Young, who could be a stud RT.

[Hermstheman83]

Agreed, I think the only Olineman in NE that's a first rounder is Logan Mankins. I'd give the guy more than a year, he's improved our team in many areas and is always looking for constant improvment.
I'd also like to put a guys' name in the hat, the Right Tackle Calloway from Iowa. He's often overlooked because of Bulaga, but he's pretty good as well.

[adschofield]

I really want Eric Berry. Playmakers in the mold of Berry and Ed Reed don't come around often and they make a big impact. I wouldn't mind Sergio Kindle either. I don't really want Okung. He's not really an upgrade over Albert at the LT position plus we can find some OL gems in the later rounds. Scott has us taking Dez Byrant. Not a bad pick, but I think we have bigger needs. I really Renaldo McClain and CJ Spiller if we trade down. They would def. be reaches where we'll be picking. I wouldn't mind Terrance Cody either.

[vidae]

I would love Eric Berry here if he's available. It's painfully obvious that we need a presence in the secondary and Mike Brown is not it. Page and Berry would be a very good S combo.

If Eric Berry is gone, and we're picking top 5, the pick absolutely has to be Okung. I'm not a gigantic fan of his, and I think Albert has done a damn good job at LT, but we need as many talented offensive lineman as we can get. Drafting Okung would allow us to move Albert to RT if they don't feel O'Callaghan is the answer or inside at RG.

A line consisting of Okung -> Waters -> C -> Albert -> RT looks a hell of a lot better than what we're staring at now, and if someone like O'Dowd is there at the end of the second or early third, we could turn that line around in one draft.

[adschofield]

If Eric Berry isn't there, we need to trade down if at all possible and draft a Kindle, McClain, Cody, or maybe Spiller. I've fallen in love with CJ Spiller. He would be perfect for our offense.

[Splat]

If we pick top five which it looks like we will be doing I think it is going to be very hard to trade down.

[nepg]

If Eric Berry isn't there, we need to trade down if at all possible and draft a Kindle, McClain, Cody, or maybe Spiller. I've fallen in love with CJ Spiller. He would be perfect for our offense.

This is not the draft to trade down for the Chiefs. They have at least 5 great options. I'll still roll with Suh as the first choice, followed by Berry, McClain (he's Top 10, easy), Bryant, Hardy, and maybe Okung (though I doubt they go OL that early).

[bored of education]

Suh is a round peg in a cirle hole for an NT in a 3-4. i Dont think you risk your top pic ko nhim if he is there. I just dont like the fit at all. at all. at all.

it could work but id rather bank 20 guaranteed on a bookend franchise LT like Okung Okung is a top 8-10 LT prospect in the last 6 years.

[Hermstheman83]

But is Okung better than Albert? If he is, and Berry is not available. Why take another LT? Take Davis from Rutgers, Shane McCallum(is that his name? he's scotts' right hand man) says Davis is a RIght tackle naturally. I think Albert has done a great job holding us up while our entire O-line is crapping out on us. There is your two bookend tackles of the future. You take Davis, Iupati and our line will be solid for years. I think we should also look at projects at the O-line too, CP was supposedly great at finding talent in the late rounds, but he eventually got burned on that and it truned our line to shattered pillows. The great teams have good depth as well...

[villagewarrior]

Suh is a round peg in a cirle hole for an NT in a 3-4. i Dont think you risk your top pic ko nhim if he is there. I just dont like the fit at all. at all. at all.

it could work but id rather bank 20 guaranteed on a bookend franchise LT like Okung Okung is a top 8-10 LT prospect in the last 6 years.

BOE, wouldn't a round peg fit perfectly in a circle hole? Haha, just kidding, I couldn't resist.

If Suh is the best player available then the Chiefs have to take him. The Chiefs aren't in a position to turn down any players. They are pretty attrocious.

[vidae]

Taking Suh means we would have taken 3 3-4 DEs in the top 5 for 3 years in a row.

We are atrocious but we're never going to get better AS A TEAM if we continually draft one position.

Mike Brown is trash so we need a S and we need OL help.

[TonyGfortheTD]

Mike Brown is trash so we need a S and we need OL help.

This a million times. With that in mind, I'd say chances of Jarrad Page getting a new deal with the Chiefs are pretty slim. Between floating as a back up and landing on IR, he's probably walking in FA. The Chiefs need a impact player in FA and Safety likely will becoming a gaping hole. Eric Berry (if available) is almost a no brainer.

[adschofield]

Okung is growing on me. I think my big board would be...

1. Eric Berry
2. Russell Okung
3. Renaldo McClain
4. Dez Byrant

[vidae]

I actually still really like Page. I also really liked Pollard so my opinion doesn't mean dick!

I do like Berry at SS and Page at FS though. I think they could be very good for years.

[nepg]

Taking Suh means we would have taken 3 3-4 DEs in the top 5 for 3 years in a row.

We are atrocious but we're never going to get better AS A TEAM if we continually draft one position.

Mike Brown is trash so we need a S and we need OL help.
You have to detach from the Carl Peterson Era. Anything that happened before Pioli is irrelevant.

Suh's the best player in the draft and the DL is as big a need as any position they have. DL is where Pioli is going to place the most emphasis. If they're still going to go after Romeo Crennel, Suh's gotta be the guy.

[Ho0k Em']

You have to detach from the Carl Peterson Era. Anything that happened before Pioli is irrelevant.

Suh's the best player in the draft and the DL is as big a need as any position they have. DL is where Pioli is going to place the most emphasis. If they're still going to go after Romeo Crennel, Suh's gotta be the guy.

DE is not a position a need. We have Dorsey from the Peterson era(he's not goin anywhere), and we have Jackson and Magee from the Pioli era. So unless you think Suh will come in and play the nose he won't be the pick. Alot of people said Curry was the best player in the draft last year and he wasn't the pick. Since Flowers and Carr are from the Peterson era would we take a CB that high if there was an elite one, No.

[Hermstheman83]

This a million times. With that in mind, I'd say chances of Jarrad Page getting a new deal with the Chiefs are pretty slim. Between floating as a back up and landing on IR, he's probably walking in FA. The Chiefs need a impact player in FA and Safety likely will becoming a gaping hole. Eric Berry (if available) is almost a no brainer.

Just out of curiosity, why do you think page wont get resigned? He's a good player. Pioli didn't get to where he is by letting good, potentially great players walk.

[villagewarrior]

Just out of curiosity, why do you think page wont get resigned? He's a good player. Pioli didn't get to where he is by letting good, potentially great players walk.

Bernard Pollard is sure playing well down in Houston.

[vidae]

You have to detach from the Carl Peterson Era. Anything that happened before Pioli is irrelevant.

Suh's the best player in the draft and the DL is as big a need as any position they have. DL is where Pioli is going to place the most emphasis. If they're still going to go after Romeo Crennel, Suh's gotta be the guy.

You could argue that Dorsey has been our best DL since day one. DE is not a position of need. Dorsey is playing very well and he drafted Jackson and Mcgee. Most years I would agree with the BPA approach, but we have MUCH MUCH MUCH bigger areas of need in Safety and Offensive Line to take a 4th DE in the top 3 rounds, especially since we're playing the 3-4.

If Suh can play the nose, at an elite level, I can easily see him being picked there. But he's a 3-4 DE, that's what he is, and I seriously doubt we'd throw more money into that position.

[TonyGfortheTD]

Just out of curiosity, why do you think page wont get resigned? He's a good player. Pioli didn't get to where he is by letting good, potentially great players walk.

I think he's been living far too long off his reputation he earned from his rookie season. His coverage ability has been a hit or miss for the last year at least.

[Splat]

Page wasn't even starting when he got hurt I don't think he will be back.

[vidae]

We might be playing our way out of one Eric Berry. 3 wins might not be good enough to secure him. Really would not hate Okung if that is the case. Our line is still pretty ugly.

[Splat]

Every week I come away feeling worse about out back field on D Flowers in the only player that should be starting I think Carr is a nickle back.

[bored of education]

Yeah another corner would be nice. The pass rush is still lacking. But I think we let up too many big runs up the middle and I feel a stud ILB like McClain would be a great fit. It really will depend on draft position. I do hope the Falcons keep losing though so the 2nd round pick of theirs is more in the 10-14 range in the 2nd.

[Splat]

The Chiefs are going to have to spend some money this off season they don't have to be the Skins but it can't just be the draft that fixs the holes.

[T-RICH49]

IMO Berry and Okung are my top two choices for our 1st pick.But if both are gone who would you take?

[bored of education]

It would come down to 5 guys, no order:
Rolando McClain, Anthony Davis, Bryan Bulaga, Dez Bryant, best 3-4 OLB prospect.

One of Bulaga or Davis will emerge as a top 10 pick. ILB's are not the best to take unless you know they will be like Mayo or Willis. Bryant could be a beast of a beast of a beast. Someone in the 3-4 olb class will emerge: Kindle most likely.

[Ho0k Em']

My board for the chiefs is berry, bryant, mays,mclain, okung. I view berry,bryant, and mclain as elite players. I thing safety is a bigger need than lb though that's why I have mays ahead of mclain. I would much rather spend a couple second or third round picks on interior o-line then spend a first on a position we really don't have a need at like lt.

[Hermstheman83]

If Berry were gone, I'd probably go: McClain,Bryant,Kindle, Davis, , Dunlap(Can he play OLB?). I think McClain has that potential and Tuna prodigy's definately go after big time ILB's. I used to like Sergio, but I think the guy from South Carolina has more potential(both could be snagged in the upper 2's). If you go O-Line, you take Davis with the knowledge that he's going to be RT. There's no reason to make two rookies be your booken(since Albert would be playing his first year at RT if haley moved him.

[nepg]

McClain is one of the elite talents in this draft. If he's available, he should be among the very-short list guys (along with Suh, Berry, Bryant, and maybe Okung). ILB is a clear weak link on this team. McClain would instantly fix a lot of problems they're having defensively. The DL has been doing their job, but the ILBs haven't been making the plays.

[vidae]

Our NT play is a stopgap at best, and if the DL is doing their job why do you keep suggesting we draft another 3-4 DE at the top of round one? Not making sense there.

As far as ILBs go, I wanted Aaron Curry last year and was told drafting an ILB that high was a bad move and I eventually agreed, and I'm sorry but I completely disagree with the thought that drafting an ILB "instantly fixes" a lot of anything. Is an upgraded needed there? Yes. Is S and NT a much bigger need to get this defense to an elite level? Absolutely.

[Splat]

DE is not even close to being a need.

[bored of education]

Vidae the difference is Rolando McClain is in the P-Willie, Jerod Mayo level of prospects for ILB in a 3-4. Curry would not have been best suited in that roll and for 35 million guaranteed is not the best idea. McClain is a guy who could be the center piece of a defense for 10 years. I am all about McClain because I feel we will be in the 7-10 range drafting wise. Raiders, Browns, Lions, Rams, Bills, Washington, Tampa, KC.

IF we are drafting 7th their is no way Okung or Berry are there. So then you take BPA, non QB even if it means McClain, Bulaga, Davis, Kindle, Bryant (those are the 5 I have pegged being there) Someone will emerge though.

I dont care if its a right tackle, but imagine one of the two Albert of Davis will emerge as an LT and one an RT. Book ends for 10 years.

But it is still wide open, we have 6 games left and the Chiefs are playing solid. I want to see Studebaker play some more and see Tyson Jackson, Dorsey and Magee improve.

[bored of education]

DE is not a need btw :)

[bored of education]

I don't see NT or Safety as big of a need as ILB, OLB, OT/OG/OC. Ron Edwards is doing well enough as where Corey Mayes and Javon Belcher are neither that good and shouldnt be starting. One can, but not both. Demorrio Williams sucks I think but he is all over the place. We have no sure tacklers. The surest tackles is Belcher. I think after Berry at S their are some ok guys but I'd rather give Morgan a chance than draft someone like Allen or Stuckey early 2nd round. Their are no 'true' NTs other than Cody. Boo Robinson could be but he wont be drafted until the third. OLB, Vrable is gone most likely, and opposite Hali you could go with Studebaker/Walters but a studly guy would make that defense better and make the secondary look better.

It's still early though I want to see more of Walters/Studebaker. I still think the Brown guy and the guys we picked up from the Dolphins could be starters. OCallaghan, but a stud olinemen is needed. Albert is looking ok. Not great.

But Like i said..still quite early.

One guy I just have no clue about and I love him as a prospect but I would fear him being a bust on my team: Taylor Mays. I think he can be Sean Taylor LIKE. But he could be like some piece of poop. So I dont want him at all lol.

[Splat]

I don't think NT is as big as a need it was a few weeks ago but I still think FS and SS are both huge needs that said I think we might play our way out of the Berry race.

[adschofield]

BoE, where do you live in Boston?

[Ho0k Em']

McClain is one of the elite talents in this draft. If he's available, he should be among the very-short list guys (along with Suh, Berry, Bryant, and maybe Okung). ILB is a clear weak link on this team. McClain would instantly fix a lot of problems they're having defensively. The DL has been doing their job, but the ILBs haven't been making the plays.

I agree, I think mclain is every bit the prospect P-Willie was, but I also think Bryant is every bit the prospect Crabtree was(imo better). I feel that our biggest need although is safety. Mike Brown has probably lost us two.games on his own. Ilb isn't really a highly valued position in the 3-4 and I don't think mays and belcher have been bad, and I think the coaches like em. So for me if berry is gone than it comes down to bryant and mays. I think they'll both be great, but mays is more of a ? So it once again comes down to bpa or need

[nepg]

I don't see them bothering with Mays. His bust potential is through the roof, and he's a safety. Rolondo McClain and Bryant are about equal as far as "BPA" goes, imo.

[KaneMarko]

I don't see NT or Safety as big of a need as ILB, OLB, OT/OG/OC. Ron Edwards is doing well enough as where Corey Mayes and Javon Belcher are neither that good and shouldnt be starting. One can, but not both. Demorrio Williams sucks I think but he is all over the place. We have no sure tacklers. The surest tackles is Belcher. I think after Berry at S their are some ok guys but I'd rather give Morgan a chance than draft someone like Allen or Stuckey early 2nd round. Their are no 'true' NTs other than Cody. Boo Robinson could be but he wont be drafted until the third. OLB, Vrable is gone most likely, and opposite Hali you could go with Studebaker/Walters but a studly guy would make that defense better and make the secondary look better.

It's still early though I want to see more of Walters/Studebaker. I still think the Brown guy and the guys we picked up from the Dolphins could be starters. OCallaghan, but a stud olinemen is needed. Albert is looking ok. Not great.

But Like i said..still quite early.

One guy I just have no clue about and I love him as a prospect but I would fear him being a bust on my team: Taylor Mays. I think he can be Sean Taylor LIKE. But he could be like some piece of poop. So I dont want him at all lol.

I agree from the standpoint that NT isn't a HUGE need. But I think it is a need. Big Ron has been solid. But there is nothing behind him. And with him being north of 30 he's not a long term solution. The NT position is a major key in the 3-4 defense. So hopefully we can land one via the draft or free agency. Like you said, outside of Cody, there really aren't many options through the draft. People disagree with me, but I can easily see a scenario where Cody falls to the second round. Maybe even further than people think when it's all said and done.

I know safety is a huge need for us. But I really don't like taking safeties high. I like Alabama's Justin Woodall for a SS in the middle rounds.

I think one of the high priorities is ILB. Mays and Belcher look ok at times. But, IMO, they are backups. And I don't really see DJ in KC past this season. I'm a huge Rolando McClain fan and I think he's a big option with the Chiefs' first pick. With the relationship between Saban and Pioli, I can see Pioli plucking quite a bit of talent from the Bama program this year and beyond. And I think McClain can be a pillar for us for 10+ years.

Another cat I see taking a huge fall in April is Brandon Spikes. I see him falling into the second round. And potentially deep into the second. Greedily, the though of McClain and Spikes holding down both ILB spots for 10+ years is exciting.

I think an edge rusher opposite of Tamba is a big need. I think Tamba can be a highly effective rush end provided he has another big threat opposite of him. We've seen how good he can be when he had Jared Allen opposite of him. Although he's kind of fallen off this season compared to his first 3 seasons, I'm really hoping Shawne Merriman makes it to the open market in the offseason. Depending on what happens with the CBA, he'll be a UFA at the end of the season.

Speaking of which, depending on what happens with the CBA, San Diego will have Marcus McNeill, Vincent Jackson and Shawne Merriman as UFAs this offseason. Course, like I said, that's all contigent on what happens with the CBA. Be that as it may, we could certainly use any one, or all , of them.

It's changed quite a bit over the months and will change more as the weeks go by until the draft. But right now my mock goes:

Round 1 – Rolando McClain – LB – 6’4” 258 lbs out of Alabama
Round 2a – Terrence “Mount” Cody – NT – 6’5” 365 lbs out of Alabama
Round 2b – Brandon Spikes – ILB – 6’3” 258 out of Florida
Round 3 – Jason Fox – OT – 6’7” 318 lbs out of Miami (FL)
Round 4 – Justin Woodall – S – 6’1” 220 lbs out of Alabama
Round 5a – Sam Young – OT – 6’8” 320 lbs out of Notre Dame
Round 5b – Koa Misi – DE/OLB – 6’3” 263 lbs out of Utah
Round 5c – Chris Scott – OT/OG – 6’5” 346 lbs out of Tennessee
Round 6 – Brandon Deaderick – DT – 6’4” 296 lbs out of Alabama
Round 7a – Al Woods – DT – 6’4” 323 lbs out of LSU
Round 7b – Brandon Banks – WR - 5’7” - 150 lbs out of Kansas State

With Weis and Crennel coming in to be offensive and defensive coordinators next season.

[vidae]

Solid draft I guess but I find it hard to believe that someone won't pull the trigger on Cody sooner and I really don't see Fox lasting until the 3rd.

[BPhilb]

I'm not sure if Banks lasts to the 7th either given the premium on return men, though I would love to have him. That said I like the thought process of the draft. It will provide depth throughout the lines and LB core which is sorely needed.

[KaneMarko]

True. Someone could pull the trigger on Cody before the second. But sometimes prospects go higher than people think. Sometimes they go lower than people think. We all watched Alan Branch go from being a top 10 lock to falling to the top of the second round. And I don’t think Cody is quite the prospect Branch was when he came out several years ago. Which is one of the reasons I think he’s going to fall. But you never know. No one saw Donte Witner going top 10 several years ago to Buffalo either. But, each draft is different. So you never truly know until the trigger gets pulled.

Right now I have Fox on that second tier of OTs and going late 2nd/early 3rd depending on what juniors come out. Which I think a lot of juniors are going to come out due to the potential changes in rookie pay for the 2011 draft. Thus pushing some guys down some.

[KaneMarko]

Banks is hard to figure because he's so small yet so lightening fast. Former K-State player Yamon Figures went mid-draft if memory serves despite being small yet running in the 4.2s. So I can see Banks going higher. Just depends on how people view him at 5'7" 150 lbs.

[villagewarrior]

Round 1 – Rolando McClain – LB – 6’4” 258 lbs out of Alabama
Round 2a – Terrence “Mount” Cody – NT – 6’5” 365 lbs out of Alabama
Round 2b – Brandon Spikes – ILB – 6’3” 258 out of Florida
Round 3 – Jason Fox – OT – 6’7” 318 lbs out of Miami (FL)
Round 4 – Justin Woodall – S – 6’1” 220 lbs out of Alabama
Round 5a – Sam Young – OT – 6’8” 320 lbs out of Notre Dame
Round 5b – Koa Misi – DE/OLB – 6’3” 263 lbs out of Utah
Round 5c – Chris Scott – OT/OG – 6’5” 346 lbs out of Tennessee
Round 6 – Brandon Deaderick – DT – 6’4” 296 lbs out of Alabama
Round 7a – Al Woods – DT – 6’4” 323 lbs out of LSU
Round 7b – Brandon Banks – WR - 5’7” - 150 lbs out of Kansas State

With Weis and Crennel coming in to be offensive and defensive coordinators next season.

I like all of this, except for the Spikes pick. I saw the eye gouging incident. I don't want him, don't care how good he is.

[TonyGfortheTD]

I agree from the standpoint that NT isn't a HUGE need. But I think it is a need. Big Ron has been solid. But there is nothing behind him. And with him being north of 30 he's not a long term solution. The NT position is a major key in the 3-4 defense. So hopefully we can land one via the draft or free agency. Like you said, outside of Cody, there really aren't many options through the draft. People disagree with me, but I can easily see a scenario where Cody falls to the second round. Maybe even further than people think when it's all said and done.

I know safety is a huge need for us. But I really don't like taking safeties high. I like Alabama's Justin Woodall for a SS in the middle rounds.

I think one of the high priorities is ILB. Mays and Belcher look ok at times. But, IMO, they are backups. And I don't really see DJ in KC past this season. I'm a huge Rolando McClain fan and I think he's a big option with the Chiefs' first pick. With the relationship between Saban and Pioli, I can see Pioli plucking quite a bit of talent from the Bama program this year and beyond. And I think McClain can be a pillar for us for 10+ years.

Another cat I see taking a huge fall in April is Brandon Spikes. I see him falling into the second round. And potentially deep into the second. Greedily, the though of McClain and Spikes holding down both ILB spots for 10+ years is exciting.

I think an edge rusher opposite of Tamba is a big need. I think Tamba can be a highly effective rush end provided he has another big threat opposite of him. We've seen how good he can be when he had Jared Allen opposite of him. Although he's kind of fallen off this season compared to his first 3 seasons, I'm really hoping Shawne Merriman makes it to the open market in the offseason. Depending on what happens with the CBA, he'll be a UFA at the end of the season.

Speaking of which, depending on what happens with the CBA, San Diego will have Marcus McNeill, Vincent Jackson and Shawne Merriman as UFAs this offseason. Course, like I said, that's all contigent on what happens with the CBA. Be that as it may, we could certainly use any one, or all , of them.

It's changed quite a bit over the months and will change more as the weeks go by until the draft. But right now my mock goes:

Round 1 – Rolando McClain – LB – 6’4” 258 lbs out of Alabama
Round 2a – Terrence “Mount” Cody – NT – 6’5” 365 lbs out of Alabama
Round 2b – Brandon Spikes – ILB – 6’3” 258 out of Florida
Round 3 – Jason Fox – OT – 6’7” 318 lbs out of Miami (FL)
Round 4 – Justin Woodall – S – 6’1” 220 lbs out of Alabama
Round 5a – Sam Young – OT – 6’8” 320 lbs out of Notre Dame
Round 5b – Koa Misi – DE/OLB – 6’3” 263 lbs out of Utah
Round 5c – Chris Scott – OT/OG – 6’5” 346 lbs out of Tennessee
Round 6 – Brandon Deaderick – DT – 6’4” 296 lbs out of Alabama
Round 7a – Al Woods – DT – 6’4” 323 lbs out of LSU
Round 7b – Brandon Banks – WR - 5’7” - 150 lbs out of Kansas State

With Weis and Crennel coming in to be offensive and defensive coordinators next season.

Some problems with this draft. First, the Chiefs don't have a 6th or 7th round picks. 2nd, I doubt Brandon Spikes will last that long...or Cody for that matter. Jason Fox is debatable too.

I wouldn't compare Branch to Cody's situation unless between now and the draft word goes around Cody could care less about football.

[KaneMarko]

I like all of this, except for the Spikes pick. I saw the eye gouging incident. I don't want him, don't care how good he is.

If not Spikes how about Brandon Graham, the DE/OLB from Michigan in the second.

[KaneMarko]

Some problems with this draft. First, the Chiefs don't have a 6th or 7th round picks. 2nd, I doubt Brandon Spikes will last that long...or Cody for that matter. Jason Fox is debatable too.

I wouldn't compare Branch to Cody's situation unless between now and the draft word goes around Cody could care less about football.

I think they got an extra 7th for giving up a 7th last year. Wasn't sure about the 6th. Went back and looked. I think you're right about the 7th too as I think the Chiefs traded to get Jake O'Connell in the 7th.

I can see Spikes lasting that long. Especially considering how Maualuga and Little Animal both fell to the second last year. And he's not the athlete either of them were.

I don't think you can say Branch didn't care about football. He just didn't prepare well for the biggest job interview of his life. Which could happen to Cody. Let's keep in mind that this is an insanely massive kid who has a history and propensity for weight problems. And there have been rumblings about his committment, conditioning and focus. None of these projections are 100% known. And like I said before, anyone could pull the trigger on Cody at any point in the first. But I could very easily paint a picture, based on all his negatives, of him falling to the second round. What's going to determine where he goes (big time) is what condition he shows up in at the combine.

[Ho0k Em']

I don't see them bothering with Mays. His bust potential is through the roof, and he's a safety. Rolondo McClain and Bryant are about equal as far as "BPA" goes, imo.


I disagree

[Ho0k Em']

I agree from the standpoint that NT isn't a HUGE need. But I think it is a need. Big Ron has been solid. But there is nothing behind him. And with him being north of 30 he's not a long term solution. The NT position is a major key in the 3-4 defense. So hopefully we can land one via the draft or free agency. Like you said, outside of Cody, there really aren't many options through the draft. People disagree with me, but I can easily see a scenario where Cody falls to the second round. Maybe even further than people think when it's all said and done.

I know safety is a huge need for us. But I really don't like taking safeties high. I like Alabama's Justin Woodall for a SS in the middle rounds.

I think one of the high priorities is ILB. Mays and Belcher look ok at times. But, IMO, they are backups. And I don't really see DJ in KC past this season. I'm a huge Rolando McClain fan and I think he's a big option with the Chiefs' first pick. With the relationship between Saban and Pioli, I can see Pioli plucking quite a bit of talent from the Bama program this year and beyond. And I think McClain can be a pillar for us for 10+ years.

Another cat I see taking a huge fall in April is Brandon Spikes. I see him falling into the second round. And potentially deep into the second. Greedily, the though of McClain and Spikes holding down both ILB spots for 10+ years is exciting.

I think an edge rusher opposite of Tamba is a big need. I think Tamba can be a highly effective rush end provided he has another big threat opposite of him. We've seen how good he can be when he had Jared Allen opposite of him. Although he's kind of fallen off this season compared to his first 3 seasons, I'm really hoping Shawne Merriman makes it to the open market in the offseason. Depending on what happens with the CBA, he'll be a UFA at the end of the season.

Speaking of which, depending on what happens with the CBA, San Diego will have Marcus McNeill, Vincent Jackson and Shawne Merriman as UFAs this offseason. Course, like I said, that's all contigent on what happens with the CBA. Be that as it may, we could certainly use any one, or all , of them.

It's changed quite a bit over the months and will change more as the weeks go by until the draft. But right now my mock goes:

Round 1 – Rolando McClain – LB – 6’4” 258 lbs out of Alabama
Round 2a – Terrence “Mount” Cody – NT – 6’5” 365 lbs out of Alabama
Round 2b – Brandon Spikes – ILB – 6’3” 258 out of Florida
Round 3 – Jason Fox – OT – 6’7” 318 lbs out of Miami (FL)
Round 4 – Justin Woodall – S – 6’1” 220 lbs out of Alabama
Round 5a – Sam Young – OT – 6’8” 320 lbs out of Notre Dame
Round 5b – Koa Misi – DE/OLB – 6’3” 263 lbs out of Utah
Round 5c – Chris Scott – OT/OG – 6’5” 346 lbs out of Tennessee
Round 6 – Brandon Deaderick – DT – 6’4” 296 lbs out of Alabama
Round 7a – Al Woods – DT – 6’4” 323 lbs out of LSU
Round 7b – Brandon Banks – WR - 5’7” - 150 lbs out of Kansas State

With Weis and Crennel coming in to be offensive and defensive coordinators next season.

ILB in a 3-4 isn't nearly important important enough to spend two picks on it in the first two rounds. Especially when you don't have us taking interior o-line until the 5th round. Our linebacker play hasn't been bad so i'm not sure why you feel its such a huge need. Our biggest need on defense is easily safety. I think we would have 3 more wins right now if he had better safety play. I just have some trouble passing on Mays for anyone other than Berry or Bryant.

[nepg]

I don't think anyone touches Cody in the first. I wouldn't want him. Look at the guy...he's not going to make it through an NFL training camp (certainly not one run by Haley).

Saban puts out a ton of great prospects, but he also babies a lot of players and keeps a personal leash on them. Once outside of Saban's domain, I don't see Cody being an effective player or being able to control his weight enough to get on the field. He's not just big, he's a slob. Guys like Ted Washington, Sam Adams, and Grady Jackson weren't fat slobs comign into the NFL, they developed into that after establishing themselves as good DTs (hell, Washington was a DE).

[villagewarrior]

If not Spikes how about Brandon Graham, the DE/OLB from Michigan in the second.

Absolutely, getting an edge pass rusher would be huge for the Chiefs defense.

[Splat]

I have came around on taking a ILB with our first pick Hali is the only LB that should even be starting for us.

[Hermstheman83]

I have came around on taking a ILB with our first pick Hali is the only LB that should even be starting for us.

What about Studebaker? Didn't he have a big game against Pitt?

[Splat]

What about Studebaker? Didn't he have a big game against Pitt?

To tell you the truth I think he flunked a couple big plays he is all right as a back up and SP teamer but he is not a starting IMO.

[vidae]

Studebaker had a good game and works hard but he's not starting quality. Him and Belcher could do fine on special teams and as back up LBs but outside of Hali (and maybe Vrabel if they move him inside) we need some major help at LB.

As for Brandon Graham, I doubt he'll be there in the second.. sounds like he's going to go mid first. If he IS there in the second though I'd love that pick for an outside rusher opposite Hali. Would be pretty nasty.

Speaking of Hali, damn this dude is a BEAST. Three sacks against a really good tackle in Clady.. and the sack/strip was Derrick Thomas all the way. Shows what we can expect from him in the future, once we get him some help.

[Splat]

I would be happy with either Rolando McClain or Eric Berry.

[Hermstheman83]

Yea, but where has that been all season? It's weird how he just explodes on one of the best LT's in the game. I'm hoping we draft another pass rusher like Brandon Grahnm(who ate Bulaga up when they played against Iowa). I guess on the positive note, when you have a defense as bad as ours, you really can't go wrong in the draft.

[Splat]

I think we need a force in the middle at LB more the outside we need a Ray Lewis or Patrick Wills kinda guy that can run side line to side line and make plays.

[bored of education]

I have three choices, who I think will be available. Rolando McClain is my first choice. He can be a Mayo/Willis type impact player who can make plays in the run and pass game. The NT class is very weak. Some decent guys later like the guy from Baylor if he declares. The play of Tamba makes the me think we can hold off on an OLB the first two rounds unless someone falls in the laps of KC. Dez Bryant. I think Dez Bryant can be special. Him and Bowe would be monsters. Bowe being the number 1b/2 type would be used better. I think Dez is just gonna be awesome. Number 3, Okung. A stud LT, kick Albert somewhere. But I dunno.

Right now my umber one player who will be available is Rolando McClain.

[Splat]

I think the Chiefs will pick top five so here are my top five on the board.

1.Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama - To run a 3-4 you have to have a strong group of LB's and the Chiefs lack a force in the middle.

2.Eric Berry, DB, Tennessee - The Chiefs might have the worst set of starting safetys in the NFL Berry would be an instant upgrade.

3.Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St. - This would be a value pick more then any thing.

4.Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma St. - Cassel lacks weapons.

5.Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas - Other then Hali the Chiefs don't have another threat to get to the QB Kindle would solve that.

[bored of education]

I like that list a lot. Those are most likely of the top 6-7 I'd want.

[TonyGfortheTD]

I think the Chiefs will pick top five so here are my top five on the board.

1.Rolando McClain, LB, Alabama - To run a 3-4 you have to have a strong group of LB's and the Chiefs lack a force in the middle.

2.Eric Berry, DB, Tennessee - The Chiefs might have the worst set of starting safetys in the NFL Berry would be an instant upgrade.

3.Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma St. - This would be a value pick more then any thing.

4.Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma St. - Cassel lacks weapons.

5.Sergio Kindle, LB, Texas - Other then Hali the Chiefs don't have another threat to get to the QB Kindle would solve that.

Replace Kindle with CJ Spiller and that's a pretty awesome list. I like Charles potential and the effort he puts out, but he can't take the beating as a feature back and a returner. Fumbles aren't helping, either.

[vidae]

I like your list Splat. I'd change 1 and 2 in mine but my list looks like that.

Can't go wrong with Berry or McClain. I like Hali -> Vrabel -> McClain -> Lang/whoever and I like Berry/Page so either works for me.

The only other player I'd be happy with with our first pick is Okung because offensive line absolutely has to be addressed.

All that said, I think the best course of action would be Berry/McClain -> OG -> OC -> OLB. We need two young starting caliber players on the line like yesterday.

[Ho0k Em']

The more i've thought about it the more I think McClain has to be the pick in the 1st. If Berry is there than maybe we can pass on McClain, but after McClain and Spikes ILB drops off dramatically. The safety draft is pretty strong is some of the juniors come out. This draft is stocked with interior O-lineman and pass rushers I think we can take a chance on those later. So at this point i'd like to see our draft go LB, NT, S, C, G, OLB, RB, T

I'd like to see

1. Rolando McClain MLB Bama
2. Dan Williams NT Tennessee
2. Earl Thomas, Reshad Jones(if they come out), Nate Allen( the best available safety pretty much)
3. Matt Tennant C BC
4. Thomas Austin OG Clemson
5. Montario Hardesty RB Tenn
5. Brandon Sharpe OLB Texas Tech (I just remembered him from the Nebraska game a couple days ago and looked him up. He has 16 sacks this season)
5. a lineman whoever

[Splat]

Replace Kindle with CJ Spiller and that's a pretty awesome list. I like Charles potential and the effort he puts out, but he can't take the beating as a feature back and a returner. Fumbles aren't helping, either.

I think RB is a need but not a first round kinda need.

[TonyGfortheTD]

Don't think Kindle is a first round player though.

[Hermstheman83]

I think RB is a need but not a first round kinda need.

Yea, I think Spiller looks like Reggie bush in college. Explosive, dominant. It looks like he isn't able to run between the tackles. I think we could find a bowling ball type back that could compliment JC really well. RB is barely a third round value need..

[Splat]

I think we could find a bowling ball type back that could compliment JC really well.

http://i50.tinypic.com/34e21rb.jpg

[vidae]

I'd be kinda shocked to see Gerhart there in round two with all the buzz and hype surrounding him.

[Hermstheman83]

I'd be kinda shocked to see Gerhart there in round two with all the buzz and hype surrounding him.

I might be wrong, but I've heard the hype too, I think he's a better baseball player than football player. and it's not for sure whether or not he's going to play football. That might drop him a little bit. I know he beat up on notre dame's defense and a few other guys too. I thought Dwyer from GT was that bulldozing back I had in mind.

[Hermstheman83]

Another option is Free Agency, do you think Lawrence Maroney will be there? I think if he does, the ties to Pioli would be too much to overcome.

[vidae]

Why would you want Maroney? He's not very good.

[T-RICH49]

new mock:

rd 1. Rolando McClain, ILB, Bama - enough of Corey Mayes already

rd 2. Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee - need a true run stuffer in the middle of the 3-4

rd 2 f/atl - Jason Fox, OT, Miami - more protection for Cassel

rd 3. Darrell Stuckey, S, Kansas - playmaker and never wanna se McGraw or Brown start again

[vidae]

T-Rich, if you take your mock and replace Fox with O'Dowd or Tennant, that'd be pretty sick. Or hell, if Iupati is there in the second (doubt it) we should definitely pull the trigger.

Albert
Waters
O'Dowd
Iupati
O'Calloghan

That would be a very good and young (minus Waters) offensive line. We'd be set for a long time.

[TAMBA is HUNGRY!!!!]

I think with the emergence of Charles, we are going to need a WR more than ever.

Teams will be game-planning him, and we need some receiving threats to scare other defenses.

50+ drops doesn't cut it here. Who knows how many YAC, broken tackles, and TD's we may have missed out on with those drops.

[Splat]

I don't think there is a WR worth the 5th pick in the draft Dez Bryant is good but not that good.

I hoping we can grab a WR via FA.

[nepg]

I wouldn't be against any of:
Suh
McClain
Berry
Bryant
Okung

But it's tough to make a case for Bryant to KC over the other 4...

[TAMBA is HUNGRY!!!!]

I don't think there is a WR worth the 5th pick in the draft Dez Bryant is good but not that good.

I hoping we can grab a WR via FA.

I didn't mean to use the 5th pick on a WR, just that the need is there. I just wouldn't be shocked at a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a WR, or if we traded down and grabbed a WR in the second or late first.

[T-RICH49]

McShay's mock draft on SC had us taking Anthony Davis from Rutgers

[Splat]

McShay's mock draft on SC had us taking Anthony Davis from Rutgers

McShay sucks.

[vidae]

McShay sucks.

I've never agreed with you more.

[gpngc]

I want to say McClain but Jon McGraw started at safety for the Chiefs this season. That fact alone means Berry is a strong option.

[vidae]

I like McGraw a lot more than Mike Brown, that's for sure.

I honestly think Page and Morgan start for us at safety next year, or we take a safety in the second/third. Take how bad our safeties played and multiply that by three... that's how bad our LBers played.

[TonyGfortheTD]

I haven't seen enough from Morgan to think he will get a shot next season, and it's hard to say if Jarrad Page will be around next year.

[adschofield]

LaGarrett Blount in the later rounds to complement J-Charlie? We could probably pick him up late considering his issues and he has experience in the spread...

[TonyGfortheTD]

The Chiefs should consider looking out into Free Agency for a complement for Jamaal, if there is a new CBA.

[Splat]

Depth at RB is a concern our second leading rusher was Cassel with 189 yards that's not good.

I love Jammal but they can't keep feeding him the ball so much he is going to get killed.

[vidae]

I still like Gerhart is a FB/HB tweener type of player. He would compliment Charles well.

[adschofield]

Eh, I question Gerhart's speed and I really don't want to see us use a pick on him in the 2nd round.

I'd like to see it shake out like this..

1. Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
2a. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
2b. Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
3. Matt Tennant, C, Greatest University in the World

[BPhilb]

How about Tomlinson as the secondary back? There is a chance the Chargers release him and I could see him wanting to stick it too the Chargers twice a season. Probably won't happen, but would be an ideal situation to take some load off of Charles.

[vidae]

I'm all for having someone to take some reps, but I don't really want LT anywhere near this team, haha.

I'm sure there will be someone available in the draft or FA.

[TonyGfortheTD]

How about Tomlinson as the secondary back? There is a chance the Chargers release him and I could see him wanting to stick it too the Chargers twice a season. Probably won't happen, but would be an ideal situation to take some load off of Charles.

LT will want to go somewhere where he is pretty certain he could win a ring right away. I would not consider Kansas City that place.

[j05son]

I didn't know if you guys saw it yet, but Romeo Crennel to be DC in KC.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4792324

EDIT: my bad, I thought I put this in the KC discussion thread. =\

[vidae]

Please let it be truuuuuuuuuuue

[Splat]

I could see LT going to NE.

[bored of education]

Vidae the difference is Rolando McClain is in the P-Willie, Jerod Mayo level of prospects for ILB in a 3-4. Curry would not have been best suited in that roll and for 35 million guaranteed is not the best idea. McClain is a guy who could be the center piece of a defense for 10 years. I am all about McClain because I feel we will be in the 7-10 range drafting wise. Raiders, Browns, Lions, Rams, Bills, Washington, Tampa, KC.

IF we are drafting 7th their is no way Okung or Berry are there. So then you take BPA, non QB even if it means McClain, Bulaga, Davis, Kindle, Bryant (those are the 5 I have pegged being there) Someone will emerge though.

I dont care if its a right tackle, but imagine one of the two Albert of Davis will emerge as an LT and one an RT. Book ends for 10 years.

But it is still wide open, we have 6 games left and the Chiefs are playing solid. I want to see Studebaker play some more and see Tyson Jackson, Dorsey and Magee improve.


McClain! I love McClain!

[Splat]

Me to he is dreamy.

[vidae]

I'd hit it.

[zachsaints52]

I just dont see KC taking a OL at all because of Albert getting picked and all... To me it just seems like too many high picks at once ya know?

[vidae]

I don't think KC will take an offensive lineman in the first. We have much bigger needs, believe it or not.

Rolando McClain or Eric Berry should be the pick.

[zachsaints52]

Id say Mclain with the need. You get that rock of a MLB things fall in place better. Impact S only do so much.

[vidae]

I agree with you.

We need that impact defensive player. Both McClain and Berry COULD fill that role, but I'm more confident in McClain at this point, especially after watching him in the National Championship.

[vidae]

edit: Woah, I fail, that's a very old news report.

[Splat]

I think it is a long shot.

Edit: NM

http://www.kcchiefs.com/news/2010/01/08/insider_blog_case_for_croyle/

[Splat]

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[vidae]

The kid is a monster. He will be the second great Chiefs LBer drafted in the top 5 from Alabama!

[T-RICH49]

I would'nt be as angry if we took McClain over Berry BUT I still prefer Berry.Our secondary is Brandon Flowers and the colloection of human crap. at least at LB we got DJ and Hali

[bored of education]

McClain. Now.

[nepg]

I could see LT going to NE.

Belichick and Tomlinson hate each other. I don't think any New England fan has any respect for LdT.

[Splat]

Belichick and Tomlinson hate each other. I don't think any New England fan has any respect for LT.

What do the fans have to do with it?

It's not like NE or any team for that matter would be looking in to getting a player and then be like o wait our fans don't like forget it.

[nepg]

What do the fans have to do with it?

It's not like NE or any team for that matter would be looking in to getting a player and then be like o wait our fans don't like forget it.

It was just an extra bit of information. For a team like that, the fans are usually pretty in-line with what the front office prefers anyway... Belichick doesn't like Tomlinson, Tomlinson doesn't like Belichick... Tomlinson wouldn't do the things New England requires of its backs anyway (blocking, tough running, etc)... RBs are very specialized or extreme utility players in New England... Tomlinson just doesn't fit there.

Plus, the fans don't like him.

[villagewarrior]

I would'nt be as angry if we took McClain over Berry BUT I still prefer Berry.Our secondary is Brandon Flowers and the colloection of human crap. at least at LB we got DJ and Hali

The corners aren't too bad, improve the front 7 and they will look better too. I think the second tier of safeties is much better in this class then the second tier of middle linebackers.

Also, I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking an Alabama defensive player in every round. Alabama's defense is far more talented than the Chiefs defense.

[nepg]

The safety class is going to be damn deep. Earl Thomas declaring probably pushes Nate Allen back to the Chiefs' second pick.

[bored of education]

The corners aren't too bad, improve the front 7 and they will look better too. I think the second tier of safeties is much better in this class then the second tier of middle linebackers.

Also, I wouldn't mind the Chiefs taking an Alabama defensive player in every round. Alabama's defense is far more talented than the Chiefs defense.
1. McClain
2. Cody
3. Javier Arenas
I'd like that draft lol

[Hermstheman83]

Yea, any secondary would look horrible if you didn't get a pass rush. I think we still need help at Safety in the secondary, but Page can bounce back from a crappy season, then a strong safety would help us out greatly. I like the idea of Nate Allen. I'm all for Berry, but I find that teams that have dominating safeties rely on them way too much(Polamalu, Sanders comes to mind). I'm sure Berry is the next in line with that, the question should be: Can his body handle the NFL season?

After watching the NC game, I think we should definately target McClain. Look at what a great MLB does for a team? Didn't keith brooking sign with the cowboys this year, and that's all I heard Collingworth talk about is how much he has helped that team. Kindle also played really well, but I'd be ok if we went somewhere else(he seems like the player who goes hot/cold). Our interior line needs the most work, most of all Center. If we had too, we could get by with Nduwke(he started tfor the dolphins) at Guard and put up with Waters for another year or so.

[zachsaints52]

1. McClain
2. Cody
3. Javier Arenas
I'd like that draft lol

Cody wouldnt last til the second round. Bank on that.

[villagewarrior]

Cody wouldnt last til the second round. Bank on that.

I don't know. He's a fatty. One cheeseburger from a heart attack. I don't think Haley would draft him anyways. Besides, Cody isn't even the best defensive lineman on his team, that honor belongs to Dareus.

[nepg]

I don't like Cody for the Chiefs. He was rarely on the field for the NC game... I'd rather see them roll with Edwards and pick up a developmental NT like Boo Robinson...

[nepg]

The safety class this year is insane! The Chiefs are bailed out of taking Berry by an amazing pool of talent left over in the subsequent rounds. I can't wait for the draft...

[vidae]

Yeah this safety class is sick. We can easily hold off picking one until the third, so McClain is the front runner for me.

[chapo123]

my mock:

1. eric berry - s
2. jason fox - ot
3. jacoby ford - wr
4. tony pike - qb
5. brandon lang - de
6. kurtis gregory - g
7. michael moore - wr

[villagewarrior]

my mock:

1. eric berry - s
2. jason fox - ot
3. jacoby ford - wr
4. tony pike - qb
5. brandon lang - de
6. kurtis gregory - g
7. michael moore - wr

I'm ok with 2 and 5. The Chiefs have another 2 and two more 5s, no 6 or 7. FYI.

[vidae]

my mock:

1. eric berry - s
2. jason fox - ot
3. jacoby ford - wr
4. tony pike - qb
5. brandon lang - de
6. kurtis gregory - g
7. michael moore - wr

McClain in the first, and Lang will go way before the 5th. Not very high on Ford and right now Pike would be a wasted pick, seeing as how we have Cassel and Croyle who has a future with this team.

Also, the picks that Village posted are correct.

[zachsaints52]

I don't know. He's a fatty. One cheeseburger from a heart attack. I don't think Haley would draft him anyways. Besides, Cody isn't even the best defensive lineman on his team, that honor belongs to Dareus.

But he won't get past the Saints. We need a true Runblocking DT and Codys pretty much perfect.

[Splat]

I would be shocked if Cody falls out of the first round he might go late first but he won't make it in to round two IMO.

[vidae]

I'm not sure how much I want him anyway. There will be some very good olb/safety/OL talent at the tip top of the second where we'll be picking.

[nepg]

Cody's like Ted Washington in a bad way. He plays very limitedly for Alabama... That's fine if the Chiefs are bringing in a 36 year old NT as a stop-gap, but 3-4 NTs have to be able to play 3 downs if needed...only coming out on obvious passing downs.

[Splat]

I'm not sure how much I want him anyway. There will be some very good olb/safety/OL talent at the tip top of the second, where we'll be picking.

OG is a bigger need for sure.

[T-RICH49]

appearantly Terrell Troup(sp?) really impressed Romeo at the East/West game.and I heard Pioli went to Umass to watch Ducasse workout

[TonyGfortheTD]

After seeing his weigh in and moobs, no way the Chiefs take Cody. He'd never make it out of Todds fat boy shame camp.

[vidae]

The entire Chiefs staff (Haley, Weis, Crennel and Pioli) were at the senior bowl north practice today. Ducasse was impressive, as was Brandon Graham. Could either of those guys be wearing KC red come April?

[Splat]

I would love to get Ducasse in round two I think he is going to be a stud but I don't think he will be there.

[vidae]

I would love to get Ducasse in round two I think he is going to be a stud but I don't think he will be there.

He has impressed so far for sure but I'm not sure he is first round material yet. Early early second sure, but lucky for us that's where we're picking.

[Splat]

After seeing his weigh in and moobs, no way the Chiefs take Cody. He'd never make it out of Todds fat boy shame camp.

This.

Maybe if he falls to the 3rd round but I don't see the Chiefs taking a chance on him in the second they can't take the risk.

[zachsaints52]

Whats with the Chiefs and Psych? :P

[vidae]

I've watched it since the first episode and smart people watch it. We are smart.

[Splat]

I have been watching season four all day online.:)

[vidae]

New season starts tomorrow! Are you excited :D

[Splat]

For sure...

[nepg]

If they get McClain in the first, I'd like to see - at this point - Ducasse (OG) and Pouncey (C) in the 2nd...

[vidae]

1. McClain
2. Ducasse
2. OLB, if someone solid falls there
3. Pouncey/O'Dowd/Tennant
4. Safety

[T-RICH49]

1. McClain or Berry(since Berry will likely be gone then McClain)
2. Duccase
2. Pouncey
3. Stuckey

I think we will sign a NT in FA

[T-RICH49]

The entire Chiefs staff (Haley, Weis, Crennel and Pioli) were at the senior bowl north practice today. Ducasse was impressive, as was Brandon Graham. Could either of those guys be wearing KC red come April?

seeing Weiss and Romeo today already has me jacked for preseason

[TonyGfortheTD]

If the Chiefs were going to take Duccasse, I'd prefer they wait until the 3rd round to do it. I'm not sure he's an OT on the next level, but I think he'd make for a hell of a Right Guard.

[bored of education]

If the Chiefs were going to take Duccasse, I'd prefer they wait until the 3rd round to do it. I'm not sure he's an OT on the next level, but I think he'd make for a hell of a Right Guard.

I still think he can be a stud at RT. As for the draft and the direction KC goes it all depends on the 1st pick. I can see numerous picks from Anthony Davis, Derrick Morgan, Eric Berry, Rolando McClain, Russel Okung to Dez Bryant. I have my favorites for the pick and I know where they should go but any of those pics would not suprise me. It is obvious there are plenty of holes that need to be filled. Offensive line needs interior help and Brandon Albert looked very good at LT in the last half of the year. But does the staff and the front office think that Okung/Davis is the answer for LT?

[Splat]

Duccasse will be long gone by the 3rd round he might be gone by our first pick in the second round.

[vidae]

Duccasse will be long gone by the 3rd round he might be gone by our first pick in the second round.

This.

If he's there with the first pick in the second though I think it's a no brainer pick. They should do cartwheels up to the podium with the card if that were the case.

McClain -> Ducasse would be so insanely hot I wouldn't be able to contain my erection.

[Hermstheman83]

I'd love ducasse in the second. But that's a big jump from UMASS to the pro's. I think if we went mcclain, ducasse and another C, or interior lineman, we still have one glaring problem. MIKE BROWN AT SAFETY!!!

[vidae]

There are seven safeties who have first, second or third round grades and eight or nine who could go in the top five. None of them compare to Berry, but there will be some VERY good safety talent in this draft for us to snag. That's why I want McClain more than Berry now.

[nepg]

I'd love ducasse in the second. But that's a big jump from UMASS to the pro's. I think if we went mcclain, ducasse and another C, or interior lineman, we still have one glaring problem. MIKE BROWN AT SAFETY!!!

Deciding what to do with the second round picks will be a tough decision(s). The Chiefs have a lot of needs that can be filled there. At least one of those picks has to be an interior OL. The chance to get a decent OG after the second round is extremely low. Asamoah's the only one with a shot to make it to their third round pick.

Iupati (first round), Ducasse(T/G), Pouncey (C/G), and Jerry (T/G) will all likely be gone. Those are the only guard prospects I like in this draft.

At safety, there are like 20 guys I wouldn't mind having that would be upgrades over the Chiefs' current starters. However, guys like Chad Jones, Nate Allen, and Morgan Burnett are quite a bit better than the rest of the crowd.

At OLB, there are 16-17 guys that I like. One of the mid-range ones will inevitably slip into the 3rd round.

For CB, there are 15 guys I really like. Any one of them will do. Probably best to wait until the 3rd or 4th round.

WR is a big need area. There are a bunch of good WRs that will be available at all points of the draft.

Center must be addressed. Pouncey, Walton, and Tennant are the 3 I'd be comfortable starting.

As far as NT goes, there are a lot of mid- to late-round guys that can be developed. So this one goes on the backburner with TE.

Based on this, and not bringing talent of other players available into play:
1. McClain
2a. OG
2b. S
3. OLB
4. OC
5. WR
6. CB
7. TE

[vidae]

I pretty much agree with that list, though I'm pretty high on O'Dowd, the C from USC as well as the ones you listed.

[T-RICH49]

I'm getting ready to do an NFL Daft in the fantasy section.7 rounds so who are some late sleepers I should look out for in your opinon?

[T-RICH49]

Here's what I have so far:

RD 1. Eric Berry, S, Tennesse
RD 2a. Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida

[Hermstheman83]

Deciding what to do with the second round picks will be a tough decision(s). The Chiefs have a lot of needs that can be filled there. At least one of those picks has to be an interior OL. The chance to get a decent OG after the second round is extremely low. Asamoah's the only one with a shot to make it to their third round pick.

Iupati (first round), Ducasse(T/G), Pouncey (C/G), and Jerry (T/G) will all likely be gone. Those are the only guard prospects I like in this draft.

At safety, there are like 20 guys I wouldn't mind having that would be upgrades over the Chiefs' current starters. However, guys like Chad Jones, Nate Allen, and Morgan Burnett are quite a bit better than the rest of the crowd.

At OLB, there are 16-17 guys that I like. One of the mid-range ones will inevitably slip into the 3rd round.

For CB, there are 15 guys I really like. Any one of them will do. Probably best to wait until the 3rd or 4th round.

WR is a big need area. There are a bunch of good WRs that will be available at all points of the draft.

Center must be addressed. Pouncey, Walton, and Tennant are the 3 I'd be comfortable starting.

As far as NT goes, there are a lot of mid- to late-round guys that can be developed. So this one goes on the backburner with TE.

Based on this, and not bringing talent of other players available into play:
1. McClain
2a. OG
2b. S
3. OLB
4. OC
5. WR
6. CB
7. TE

I definately think we need to address the interior line. I think center is our biggest weakness on the line. Indukwe did start at guard for the phins' didn't he? I didn't think he played that bad, didn't merit a starting spot next year, but he won't have that ridiculous drop off that Goff did. I like to look at the teams who have really good centers and see what they can do for a team(i.E. the Colts) if that Dowd guy is available and as good as advertised...nab him. I also like the idea of grabbing a WR later in the draft(4-5), definately a need with all of our drops lately. However, Bowe will rebound from this year, and IF we resign chambers, a good slot guy can be found in the fourth rounds right?
At running back I'd like a "human bowling ball" to give JC a break from time-to-time. I saw Dwyer play vs. my hawkeyes and he looked deadly between the tackles. I know he won't be available or even a realistic pick at where he's projected, but man, JC and Dwyer as a RB combo?

I totally agree with you on the Nose Tackle position. With our coaching staff, that'd be a great position to groom. Then again, Pioli's MO so far has been "take whatever the Pat's give us" so I bet(if available) we'll make a play for Wilfork. OLB should be addressed in the third round or later. I've heard a lot of buzz with Julius Peppers coming to KC, and that would definately help, but once again 'build for the future" and we got studebaker who played really well in a few games to groom. Safety is definately a priority as well as ILB. So I'm leaning more towards Berry nowadays for the first round pick, but I'd be ecstatic with Rolando as well. I'd be ok with Spikes too. As a hawk fan(and watching Angerer shut down Dwyer in the orange bowl) I think Pat would be a great option in the third(if we don't take Mcclain) and could instantly start for us. So here's how I'd like our draft to play out.

1. S
2. ILB
2a. C
3. OLB
4. G
5. WR
5a. NT
5b. OT

[Splat]

Here's what I have so far:

RD 1. Eric Berry, S, Tennesse
RD 2a. Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida

I could live with that try to get a OG or C with the next pick.

[T-RICH49]

yeah aiming for OL with the next pick

[gpngc]

Thinking about the 5th overall pick, why wouldn't they take Dez Bryant?

He's surely worth the pick, Chambers is on his last legs, they don't have a receiving threat at TE, and I can't even think of who they have behind Bowe.

I love McClain and Berry as prospects, but those positions are generally not valued to the point that they'd be taken in the top five. (Of course neither is 3-4 DE...)

?

[nepg]

I wouldn't mind if they took Bryant, but the best pick is McClain.

This draft is very deep at WR (and S). McClain is a franchise ILB...and ILB is the Chiefs' single biggest need.

[BPhilb]

I'm not sure if we address in the first or the second round yet, but OL has to be a prority. As much as I love the defensive players in the early part of this draft I'm starting to lean toward Okung if he is there. Our line play was a bit better at the end of the year, but still bad overall. If we want to improve our defense the most I believe we have to be able to get first downs and hold the ball with our offense. We were brutal this year on third down and a lot of that came because we couldn't get a couple of yards when needed. When our defense got stuck on the field so often they eventually got exposed. It's going to be interesting to see how the draft boards shake out as things progress but I think the trenches might be the way to start.

[villagewarrior]

There are a lot of safeties that the Chiefs could take a look at later in the draft, there aren't that many middle linebackers. I'm not sure if I like any of this year's tackles in the top 5, so I don't think that's the direction you need to go in. I don't think wide receiver is a position you spend a top 10 pick on unless said receiver is in the Calvin Johnson mode.

And actually, I'm not sure if the Chiefs shouldn't go after a pass rusher at 5. A guy like Derrick Morgan or Brandon Graham. Someone that can get to the quarterback is a huge priority and would free Tamba up even more. Although as I type this I remember the nice long walks on the beach that mediocre players like Jerome Harrison took right up the middle of the Chiefs defense and I think, McClain should really be the pick.

[vidae]

Although as I type this I remember the nice long walks on the beach that mediocre players like Jerome Harrison took right up the middle of the Chiefs defense

This is exactly why McClain has to be the pick. We can't keep ranking in the bottom five in rush defense. You can't win games if you can't stop the run, it really is that simple.

[vidae]

Here's what I have so far:

RD 1. Eric Berry, S, Tennesse
RD 2a. Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida

I guess I could live with that, even though I don't want Spikes near this team.

I don't really agree with giving up a third for Shaun Rogers though, or trading Bowe for a 3rd, but shrug.

[nepg]

I don't think wide receiver is a position you spend a top 10 pick on unless said receiver is in the Calvin Johnson mode.

While no one is Calvin's level as a prospect (ever), Dez Bryant is certainly one of those WRs you take in the Top 10 and don't worry about... We'd be talking about him as an option for the Rams if he hadn't been basically kicked out of college football (for something petty).

I feel very strongly at this point that McClain is the best pick for the Chiefs. However, I would not be the least bit upset if they took Bryant, Okung, Berry, Morgan, or Suh... In my opinion, the Chiefs are in a no-lose situation at #5.

[villagewarrior]

While no one is Calvin's level as a prospect (ever), Dez Bryant is certainly one of those WRs you take in the Top 10 and don't worry about... We'd be talking about him as an option for the Rams if he hadn't been basically kicked out of college football (for something petty).

I feel very strongly at this point that McClain is the best pick for the Chiefs. However, I would not be the least bit upset if they took Bryant, Okung, Berry, Morgan, or Suh... In my opinion, the Chiefs are in a no-lose situation at #5.

I just don't think I'm a fan of any of these top tackle prospects this year. Color me unimpressed. The most important players are the ones that, offensively, help you run the ball and help you keep the quarterback upright, and defensively, help you kill whoever is holding the ball for as little gain as possible. In my opinion, you spend your money on the offensive line and the front 7. McClain or Morgan should be the pick, unless the Lord grants the Chiefs a miracle and allows Suh to still be available at 5.

[vidae]

Morgan, in my opinion, has workout-warrior written all over him. I'm not sure I'd buy him top 5. Top 10 I could see, if we trade back, but the pick should be a difference maker defensively. Berry or McClain fit this to a T.

[Hermstheman83]

I just don't think I'm a fan of any of these top tackle prospects this year. Color me unimpressed. The most important players are the ones that, offensively, help you run the ball and help you keep the quarterback upright, and defensively, help you kill whoever is holding the ball for as little gain as possible. In my opinion, you spend your money on the offensive line and the front 7. McClain or Morgan should be the pick, unless the Lord grants the Chiefs a miracle and allows Suh to still be available at 5.

The only thing I have to say with that is the NFL is turning into a more spread offensive pass happy league. So you would think where you spend your money is on a better secondary. That being said, if a team looks at our Chiefs from last year they'll say "screw it, jerome harrison had 300 yards on him, let's runt the ball" Then you take McClain. Then again, a SS is meant to stop the run as well as the pass. I wouldn't take morgan, he didn't impress me that much. If I were looking at pass rushers, I'm thinking either Selvie(who can be groomed from the third), Norwood or Gramhm(my personal favorite, but once again, I saw him destroy bulaga and I'm a big ten guy)

[villagewarrior]

The only thing I have to say with that is the NFL is turning into a more spread offensive pass happy league. So you would think where you spend your money is on a better secondary. That being said, if a team looks at our Chiefs from last year they'll say "screw it, jerome harrison had 300 yards on him, let's runt the ball" Then you take McClain. Then again, a SS is meant to stop the run as well as the pass. I wouldn't take morgan, he didn't impress me that much. If I were looking at pass rushers, I'm thinking either Selvie(who can be groomed from the third), Norwood or Gramhm(my personal favorite, but once again, I saw him destroy bulaga and I'm a big ten guy)

I like Graham as well, wouldn't be surprised at all if he was the pick at 5. I still disagree about spending money on the secondary. You could put Champ Bailey, Darrelle Revis, Troy Polamalu and Brian Dawkins together and if you can't get to the quarterback they will not look as good as they do. Maybe Polamalu, but he's not human. A pass rush is what is required to shut down this pass happy fad.

[vidae]

Brandom Graham and Derrick Morgan are not top 5 talents. I would be extremely surprised if either were picked at 5. Graham, Kindle or Hughes would be perfect second round picks to address the pass rush but come on, those guys should not be taken top 5. I don't see a pass rusher in this years draft worthy of that pick.

[T-RICH49]

went Kris O'Dowd with my next pick

[bored of education]

You sir are doing well. Draft an OLB or WR next pick! Brandon Lang, Jermaine Cunningham, Jordan Shipleyz, Jacoby Ford, Andre Roberts, Mike Williams, Dez Briscoe

[T-RICH49]

I did'nt realize O'Dowd did'nt declare so I switched it to Asamoah

[Hermstheman83]

I like Graham as well, wouldn't be surprised at all if he was the pick at 5. I still disagree about spending money on the secondary. You could put Champ Bailey, Darrelle Revis, Troy Polamalu and Brian Dawkins together and if you can't get to the quarterback they will not look as good as they do. Maybe Polamalu, but he's not human. A pass rush is what is required to shut down this pass happy fad.

Ever heard of a coverage sack? Polamalu=Berry or pretty close But I do see your point, I think Pioli really invests high in the front seven defense. That's his past anyways.
Theres no way Grahmn gets picked at five. There's a lot of lamar woodley negative stuff on him. He's too short, etc That'll cause him to drop. I'd be excited if we took him at the top of number two, but no way we take him at five. if we do I'll be really pissed.

[Ho0k Em']

Get a NT in FA resign chambers

St. Louis- Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame
Detroit- Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska
Tampa Bay- Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma
Washington Redskins- Russell Okung OT Okst
1. Kansas City Chiefs- Eric Berry S Tennessee
2. Brandon Spikes ILB Florida
2. Vladimir Ducasse OT/OG UMass
3. George Selvie OLB USF
4. LeGarette Blount RB Oregan
5. Dezmon Briscoe WR Kansas
5. Eric Olson C Notre Dame
5. Dennis Pita TE BYU

[vidae]

Am I the only person who has a problem with the eye-gouging incident and thinking it might speak a lot about the character of Brandon Spikes?

I'd prefer Daryl Washington if we're taking an ILB in the second or something.

[Ho0k Em']

Am I the only person who has a problem with the eye-gouging incident and thinking it might speak a lot about the character of Brandon Spikes?

I'd prefer Daryl Washington if we're taking an ILB in the second or something.

You say that, but im sure you want us to sign Wilfork who is widely known as one of if not the dirtiest player in the NFL. He's actually been fined before for eye gouging. Haynsworth had the face stomping incident would you not take him on your team. Its football its physical and sometimes guys take it too far, but I don't see a patern or anything so i'm really not worried about spikes. I honestly don't think theres much of drop off in talent from McClain to Spikes i still think Spikes is top 20 talent. I think Washington is too small for the 3-4 anyway.

[vidae]

A lot of people will strongly disagree with you about dropoff in talent between McClain and Spikes. A lot of people on these boards, in fact, and I'm in that group.

[Ho0k Em']

There is ALOT of people out there that feel Spikes is a top 20 talent. He would've been a top 20 pick last year had he come out.

I havent read this whole thread and i read it a while ago but i remember alot of people felt the same way

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38287

[nepg]

Am I the only person who has a problem with the eye-gouging incident and thinking it might speak a lot about the character of Brandon Spikes?

I'd prefer Daryl Washington if we're taking an ILB in the second or something.

I don't have a problem with the eye gouging, to be quite honest. It's a violent sport, and you need a couple dirty players on defense to be successful.

However, I do agree that Washington is better than Spikes and that neither is close to McClain.

[Splat]

I don't have a problem with it either it was one play he lost his cool it happens.

[villagewarrior]

I disagree. You lose you're cool you take a swing at a guy. Eye gouging is in the same vein as spitting to me.

[T-RICH49]

ok my pick is coming up shortly...suggestions?

[vidae]

I disagree. You lose you're cool you take a swing at a guy. Eye gouging is in the same vein as spitting to me.

I could not agree more with this. It's not someone just getting heated and pushing someone, it was him deliberately trying to cause someone harm. These things are not close, at all.

[nepg]

ok my pick is coming up shortly...suggestions?
Tennant, Briscoe, Murphy, Lang, Shipley, Alexander, Cunningham, Woods...

[zachsaints52]

I could not agree more with this. It's not someone just getting heated and pushing someone, it was him deliberately trying to cause someone harm. These things are not close, at all.

I agree. Like the Siragusa Collins incident. I have hated Tony since.

[T-RICH49]

went with Matt Tennant on the next pick

[Hermstheman83]

I agree. Like the Siragusa Collins incident. I have hated Tony since.

I don't know guys, people do have "off-days" That was an isolated incident, there aren't other reports of Spikes doing those type of things

--Ray Lewis Killed a guy
--Derrick Thomas(RIP) fathered seven kids with different mothers.
--Lawrence Taylor did drugs.


These guys are built to be intense, competive guys. I'm not condoning the behavior, but if he has the potential to change our defense around, without any character flaws(besides that one). Isn't he worth a shot?

[nepg]

I don't know guys, people do have "off-days" That was an isolated incident, there aren't other reports of Spikes doing those type of things

--Ray Lewis Killed a guy
--Derrick Thomas(RIP) fathered seven kids with different mothers.
--Lawrence Taylor did drugs.


These guys are built to be intense, competive guys. I'm not condoning the behavior, but if he has the potential to change our defense around, without any character flaws(besides that one). Isn't he worth a shot?

I'm condoning Spikes because it was on the football field and you need those types of guys to be successful on defense. It's only bad if you get caught.

[T-RICH49]

went Danario Alexander with my next pick

[villagewarrior]

I don't know guys, people do have "off-days" That was an isolated incident, there aren't other reports of Spikes doing those type of things

--Ray Lewis Killed a guy
--Derrick Thomas(RIP) fathered seven kids with different mothers.
--Lawrence Taylor did drugs.


These guys are built to be intense, competive guys. I'm not condoning the behavior, but if he has the potential to change our defense around, without any character flaws(besides that one). Isn't he worth a shot?

First of all, Lewis and Taylor should've gone to prison. Murder and being under the influence of an intoxicant are illegal. The fact that Lewis didn't go to prison is ridiculous.

Secondly, I'm not condoning fathering children out of wedlock, but it is not illegal and it doesn't effect his play on the field. I don't know why that was brought up at all.

On the college football field, at a granted significantly lower level of school, I got super angry at opposing players. I received a few personal foul calls, most of them related to not stopping after the whistle, a couple because I pushed someone after they had been riding me the whole game. At no point did it ever occur to me to gouge anyones eyes. Doing something like that shows malice, which is far above and beyond the natural aggression needed to be successful on the field. I have no problem with a player who loses his cool and takes a swing at another, I've been involved with that. Eye gouging, that's just unacceptable.

[villagewarrior]

Scott's latest mock has us taking Okung and Cody. I think those are acceptable choices, but I confess I'd be a little disappointed with these picks. I don't think Okung or any of the other "1st round" tackles are top 10 players. McClain was available, I think that should be the guy.

[BPhilb]

Scott's latest mock has us taking Okung and Cody. I think those are acceptable choices, but I confess I'd be a little disappointed with these picks. I don't think Okung or any of the other "1st round" tackles are top 10 players. McClain was available, I think that should be the guy.


I've resigned myself to the fact that we just about have to take Okung or Davis. We just will not get any better without some improvment on the OLine. Teams don't let good tackles get to FA any more and later round picks just haven't been working for us. I agree that neither one of those two fit the typical Top 5 tackle model, but either would be an immediate upgrade and will have the greatest impact on our entire team. That said I still love Eric Berry and wish there was some way we could fit him into our team.

[vidae]

I've resigned myself to the fact that we just about have to take Okung or Davis. We just will not get any better without some improvment on the OLine. Teams don't let good tackles get to FA any more and later round picks just haven't been working for us. I agree that neither one of those two fit the typical Top 5 tackle model, but either would be an immediate upgrade and will have the greatest impact on our entire team. That said I still love Eric Berry and wish there was some way we could fit him into our team.

You cannot be a winning football team if you can't stop the run. The offense improved as the season went on. The defense did not. We need a defensive playmaker more than an offensive tackle. It really bugs me that Scott says "the Chiefs need to protect their investment" and in the same breath says that Okung is not a franchise LT. Does that bug anyone else?

Anyone but Berry or McClain and it's a wasted pick and a wasted opportunity to give us an identity on defense. That is the worst case scenario.

[vidae]

First of all, Lewis and Taylor should've gone to prison. Murder and being under the influence of an intoxicant are illegal. The fact that Lewis didn't go to prison is ridiculous.

Secondly, I'm not condoning fathering children out of wedlock, but it is not illegal and it doesn't effect his play on the field. I don't know why that was brought up at all.

On the college football field, at a granted significantly lower level of school, I got super angry at opposing players. I received a few personal foul calls, most of them related to not stopping after the whistle, a couple because I pushed someone after they had been riding me the whole game. At no point did it ever occur to me to gouge anyones eyes. Doing something like that shows malice, which is far above and beyond the natural aggression needed to be successful on the field. I have no problem with a player who loses his cool and takes a swing at another, I've been involved with that. Eye gouging, that's just unacceptable.

You are absolutely 100% right, no question about it. I've been heated before and wanted to take a swing at someone, but I've never wanted to gouge their eyes out or cause them permanent damage.

The fact that other athletes got away with worse crimes (except Derrick Thomas, who did not do anything illegal) doesn't lessen the fact that the kind of behavior and judgement that Spikes showed is UNACCEPTABLE.

[villagewarrior]

I've resigned myself to the fact that we just about have to take Okung or Davis. We just will not get any better without some improvment on the OLine. Teams don't let good tackles get to FA any more and later round picks just haven't been working for us. I agree that neither one of those two fit the typical Top 5 tackle model, but either would be an immediate upgrade and will have the greatest impact on our entire team. That said I still love Eric Berry and wish there was some way we could fit him into our team.

The thing is, is that the Chiefs offensive line has a weakness at center and right guard. Albert, Waters and O'Callahan (very fringe) I can go to war with. Ideally, the Chiefs could move down from 5, still take McClain, and take 3 players in round 2 (any combination of a Nate Allen, Maurkice Pouncey, J.D. Walton, Alex Carrington, Kyle Wilson, Jonathan Dwyer, etc) and that would really help the Chiefs out. But I'm probably dreaming.

[vidae]

If the top four play out like I think they will, someone might want to move up for a QB, ala Mark Sanchez last year.

It's probably a pipe dream but whatever. ;)

[BPhilb]

I agree that trading down would be ideal, ecspecially in a draft as deep as this one. That said at this point I don't see it and I'm assuming it won't happen until I hear otherwise.

I agree Vlade that we need to be better at stopping the run, but if you look at our team the last few years for the most part we have held our own early until we wear down later. At lot of that stems from from the fact that we just can't sustain drives on offense. I don't care if we get McClain or Berry or Suh or anyone else in this draft, if our defense in constantly on the field we are going to get shredded. While I agree in some respects that our offense improved some down the stretch (though it couldn't get much worse) we still were not able to hold the ball on offense. I look at the Saints defense and see something talent wise similar to ours, but they were able to keep the ball out of Payton Manning's hands buy sustaining drives and took away a super bowl. I also believe anyone not thinking we need an upgrade at tackle is fooling themselves. We have 5 spots along the line that can be upgraded pretty eaisily. It's amazing how far we have fallen in just a few years.

[zachsaints52]

I don't know guys, people do have "off-days" That was an isolated incident, there aren't other reports of Spikes doing those type of things

--Ray Lewis Killed a guy
--Derrick Thomas(RIP) fathered seven kids with different mothers.
--Lawrence Taylor did drugs.


These guys are built to be intense, competive guys. I'm not condoning the behavior, but if he has the potential to change our defense around, without any character flaws(besides that one). Isn't he worth a shot?

Theres a difference in intense and Tonys cranking of Collins arm to guarentee a victory. Look up Kyle Turley (yall know about him :)) Helmet throwing incident against the Jets. He justified a illegal action against Brooks.

[nepg]

Scott's latest mock has us taking Okung and Cody. I think those are acceptable choices, but I confess I'd be a little disappointed with these picks. I don't think Okung or any of the other "1st round" tackles are top 10 players. McClain was available, I think that should be the guy.
Cody doesn't really fit either. I don't see them bringing in someone with a 2nd round pick who can only play on first downs and obvious run situations. That's a role you save for near-retirment veterans like Grady Jackson. He's a slob and won't pass the physical fitness tests.

[Hermstheman83]

First of all, Lewis and Taylor should've gone to prison. Murder and being under the influence of an intoxicant are illegal. The fact that Lewis didn't go to prison is ridiculous.

Secondly, I'm not condoning fathering children out of wedlock, but it is not illegal and it doesn't effect his play on the field. I don't know why that was brought up at all.

On the college football field, at a granted significantly lower level of school, I got super angry at opposing players. I received a few personal foul calls, most of them related to not stopping after the whistle, a couple because I pushed someone after they had been riding me the whole game. At no point did it ever occur to me to gouge anyones eyes. Doing something like that shows malice, which is far above and beyond the natural aggression needed to be successful on the field. I have no problem with a player who loses his cool and takes a swing at another, I've been involved with that. Eye gouging, that's just unacceptable.

So wait a second, eye-gouging is unacceptable, but continuing after the play stops isn't? Yes, you didn't hurt the other guy, but did you want too? Striking a person and eye-gouging would be the same offense in a court of law. Why is it different on the football field? Saying that your ok with striking someone(which has the potential to seriously injure someone, especially with a helmet as a weapon) and not eye-gouging is kinda like saying "I'm ok with murdering a guy with a car, but if he gets stabbed that's a whole different story"

I should not have included DT in that example.

[villagewarrior]

So wait a second, eye-gouging is unacceptable, but continuing after the play stops isn't? Yes, you didn't hurt the other guy, but did you want too? Striking a person and eye-gouging would be the same offense in a court of law. Why is it different on the football field? Saying that your ok with striking someone(which has the potential to seriously injure someone, especially with a helmet as a weapon) and not eye-gouging is kinda like saying "I'm ok with murdering a guy with a car, but if he gets stabbed that's a whole different story"

I should not have included DT in that example.

First of all, I AM ok with murder if the car is the weapon. Stabbings need to stop. (Yes, I'm kidding)

Secondly, if I punch a guy who has a helmet on, I'm probably going to break my own hand out of my stupidity. Eye gouging runs the potential of ending a players career. At no point did it enter into my head, or that I got so angry that I never wanted this guy to ever play again.

[vidae]

Yeah, these are completely different things and I'm not sure why people don't see the difference, or see what is wrong with not only potentially ending someones CAREER but blinding them for the rest of their life. I guess it's the same thing as taking a swing at someone out of frustration.. when they have a helmet and pads on..

[Ho0k Em']

Ok wrong or not if he's a good player you wouldn't be able to look past the eye gouging incident to have him on this team. I would still gladly take haynesworth, Rodney Harrison in his prime, the late Sean Taylor or wilfork who have all been considered dirty players.

[vidae]

Yeah I think we've established by the last few posts that it doesn't matter to you. We get it. :p

[TheMatriculator]

Hi, guys! First post so I thought I'd say hello. Funny, I've been coming to this site for over a year but I just started looking at the Forums a few weeks ago. Nice work and some good discussions.

I agree with most of what I've read. Berry or McClain in the first round, guys like Pouncey, Ducasse or Nate Allen in the second but let me play devils advocate for a moment. I think I've read this entire thread and it seems like everyone is either ignoring or dismissing the NT position. Isn't NT the cornerstone of the 3-4. Certainly the Cleveland game proved that Ron Edwards isn't even adequate and the Chiefs must address this position if they are going to be effective in the 3-4. One way or another, I believe Pioli will address this.

There are two alternates. Free agency or the draft. With 13 teams playing some version of the 3-4 there aren't enough veteran NT to around and the chances of landing a veteran FA seem pretty slim. On to the draft...

Did I mention there are 13 teams playing some version of the 3-4? True nose tackles who can play the 0 technique and occupy the center and a guard will be in short supply and go fast. First round...Dan Williams. I hope they don't do this because I have my heart set on Berry or McClain but it is an option and Pioli doesn't seem to mind reaching to fill a need.

Second round...Terrence Cody (if he makes it into the 2nd round). I have questions about his commitment and dedication but I don't question his ability to play the positon in the NFL if he can control his weight. If he's available in the second round, I think Pioli will grab him.

Rounds three and beyond...Torrell Troup, Kade Weston, etc. These guys are all projects and represent a substantial risk if you are betting the future of the Chiefs defense on them.

Well, gotta go! The kids want me to take them to lunch.

[Hermstheman83]

First of all, I AM ok with murder if the car is the weapon. Stabbings need to stop. (Yes, I'm kidding)

Secondly, if I punch a guy who has a helmet on, I'm probably going to break my own hand out of my stupidity. Eye gouging runs the potential of ending a players career. At no point did it enter into my head, or that I got so angry that I never wanted this guy to ever play again.

LOL, I agree that the stabbings need to stop, it's ridiculous. :)

ALso, I'm sure that's how guys that eye-gouge think too. Also, if you are angry, the intent to hurt the person is there. No one ever thinks(at least I hope not). I don't think Spikes intentionally did that. He doesn't have the record to indicate that either.

[Splat]

Hi, guys! First post so I thought I'd say hello. Funny, I've been coming to this site for over a year but I just started looking at the Forums a few weeks ago. Nice work and some good discussions.

I agree with most of what I've read. Berry or McClain in the first round, guys like Pouncey, Ducasse or Nate Allen in the second but let me play devils advocate for a moment. I think I've read this entire thread and it seems like everyone is either ignoring or dismissing the NT position. Isn't NT the cornerstone of the 3-4. Certainly the Cleveland game proved that Ron Edwards isn't even adequate and the Chiefs must address this position if they are going to be effective in the 3-4. One way or another, I believe Pioli will address this.

There are two alternates. Free agency or the draft. With 13 teams playing some version of the 3-4 there aren't enough veteran NT to around and the chances of landing a veteran FA seem pretty slim. On to the draft...

Did I mention there are 13 teams playing some version of the 3-4? True nose tackles who can play the 0 technique and occupy the center and a guard will be in short supply and go fast. First round...Dan Williams. I hope they don't do this because I have my heart set on Berry or McClain but it is an option and Pioli doesn't seem to mind reaching to fill a need.

Second round...Terrence Cody (if he makes it into the 2nd round). I have questions about his commitment and dedication but I don't question his ability to play the positon in the NFL if he can control his weight. If he's available in the second round, I think Pioli will grab him.

Rounds three and beyond...Torrell Troup, Kade Weston, etc. These guys are all projects and represent a substantial risk if you are betting the future of the Chiefs defense on them.

Well, gotta go! The kids want me to take them to lunch.

Welcome to the board.

[vidae]

First, welcome to the Chiefs forum. We have a pretty big group here and it's always good to add another. On to your point:

NT is very important for us, we need one to really put our defense on the next level, but Dan Williams is not worthy of a top 5 pick (I wouldn't put him in the top 15 personally) and Terrance Cody doesn't seem like a Todd Haley player. He's overweight and some call him lazy.

If it were up to me I'd prefer to take a flier on a later round guy, like Boo Robinson or Kade Weston as you named, rather than over-draft one as a reach or who wouldn't fit the system.

As it stands, I think NT will be addressed through FA or the draft, but I don't expect one before the 4th and I'm ok with that, as long as we upgrade our LBer situation.

This isn't a one year fix, it'll take a few years, so I'm fine adding a few key pieces each year. I'm not expecting playoffs any time soon.

[Hermstheman83]

Hi, guys! First post so I thought I'd say hello. Funny, I've been coming to this site for over a year but I just started looking at the Forums a few weeks ago. Nice work and some good discussions.

I agree with most of what I've read. Berry or McClain in the first round, guys like Pouncey, Ducasse or Nate Allen in the second but let me play devils advocate for a moment. I think I've read this entire thread and it seems like everyone is either ignoring or dismissing the NT position. Isn't NT the cornerstone of the 3-4. Certainly the Cleveland game proved that Ron Edwards isn't even adequate and the Chiefs must address this position if they are going to be effective in the 3-4. One way or another, I believe Pioli will address this.

There are two alternates. Free agency or the draft. With 13 teams playing some version of the 3-4 there aren't enough veteran NT to around and the chances of landing a veteran FA seem pretty slim. On to the draft...

Did I mention there are 13 teams playing some version of the 3-4? True nose tackles who can play the 0 technique and occupy the center and a guard will be in short supply and go fast. First round...Dan Williams. I hope they don't do this because I have my heart set on Berry or McClain but it is an option and Pioli doesn't seem to mind reaching to fill a need.

Second round...Terrence Cody (if he makes it into the 2nd round). I have questions about his commitment and dedication but I don't question his ability to play the positon in the NFL if he can control his weight. If he's available in the second round, I think Pioli will grab him.

Rounds three and beyond...Torrell Troup, Kade Weston, etc. These guys are all projects and represent a substantial risk if you are betting the future of the Chiefs defense on them.

Well, gotta go! The kids want me to take them to lunch.

Hey Welcome to the forums. I think Ron Edwards is a good stop gap player for right now. Cody is too much of a more risk than reward kinda player to me. Also, if he's a big need, he';ll be gone before we pick again in the second. I really think one of the developmental guys should be our pick.

I also think the cleveland game was a result of the poor linebacker play(moreso) than Ron Edwards.

[vidae]

I also think the cleveland game was a result of the poor linebacker play(moreso) than Ron Edwards.

I meant to say this in my post as well. If those guys aren't out of position so much the result isn't the same.

[TheMatriculator]

I meant to say this in my post as well. If those guys aren't out of position so much the result isn't the same.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. To me the problem in the Cleveland game wasn't the linebackers as much as the absence of Glenn Dorsey. Without Dorsey occupying a double team, Edwards was exposed for what he is, a DT doing his best to play NT.

As for Cody, too much risk anywhere in the first round but too much upside to pass up in the second round, even he is a a two down lineman. I'll be glad to re-evaluate that opinion if he gains another 15 pounds between now and the combine.

[vidae]

Well, Glenn not being there in the game was a definite disadvantage, but the linebackers were out of position ALL YEAR, regardless of if he was in the lineup or not. It just goes to show that Dorsey played extremely well at 3-4DE, but it doesn't mean our linebacking group did their jobs, at all. They didn't.

[villagewarrior]

The Chiefs can't afford a 2nd round bust at this point. The Chiefs must get guys that are much closer to sure things (as much as a college football player can be a sure thing) in at least the first 3 rounds. Cody is much too risky.

I think there are guys who will be available later who can play the nose. DeMarcus Granger is a guy who I think is knocked a little because he played next to McCoy, but I think he has the size and the skill to be worth a late round pick as a nose tackle.

[nepg]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. To me the problem in the Cleveland game wasn't the linebackers as much as the absence of Glenn Dorsey. Without Dorsey occupying a double team, Edwards was exposed for what he is, a DT doing his best to play NT.

As for Cody, too much risk anywhere in the first round but too much upside to pass up in the second round, even he is a a two down lineman. I'll be glad to re-evaluate that opinion if he gains another 15 pounds between now and the combine.
He can't control his weight and it'd be foolish to hope he could.

2nd round is a premium pick for the Chiefs. To blow it on Cody would be an epic mistake.

As has been said, they need a developmental NT later in the draft (there are a lot of options this year).

The two biggest needs are ILB and C.

[Ho0k Em']

The Chiefs can't afford a 2nd round bust at this point. The Chiefs must get guys that are much closer to sure things (as much as a college football player can be a sure thing) in at least the first 3 rounds. Cody is much too risky.

I think there are guys who will be available later who can play the nose. DeMarcus Granger is a guy who I think is knocked a little because he played next to McCoy, but I think he has the size and the skill to be worth a late round pick as a nose tackle.

We can't afford to take the safe route imo. We need as much talent as we can find, and like it or not Cody has the potential to be a dominant NT. If we don't get a NT in free agency and Cody is there in the 2nd we take him.

[Splat]

Cody has the potential to be a dominant NT

He also has the potential to be out of the NFL in three years do to his out of control weight.

[TheMatriculator]

Well, Glenn not being there in the game was a definite disadvantage, but the linebackers were out of position ALL YEAR, regardless of if he was in the lineup or not. It just goes to show that Dorsey played extremely well at 3-4DE, but it doesn't mean our linebacking group did their jobs, at all. They didn't.

Oh, don't get me wrong, I never said they did.

[nepg]

We can't afford to take the safe route imo. We need as much talent as we can find, and like it or not Cody has the potential to be a dominant NT. If we don't get a NT in free agency and Cody is there in the 2nd we take him.
He's not a Hampton/Wilfork type of NT. He's rarely on the field for Alabama...and I didn't even see him in the National Championship game. All a team has to do to counter the one thing Cody can do is run a no-huddle and force the defense to burn timeouts to get him out of there, and he won't see the field again all game.

[Splat]

Cody's best bet would be to go to a team that can groom him that's not the Chiefs they need players now...

[Hermstheman83]

Cody's best bet would be to go to a team that can groom him that's not the Chiefs they need players now...

Couldn't have said it better. And it's not that KC isn't looking for "talented" players, just talented players that aren't as risky as guys' like Cody. That' strategy pays off in the later rounds. But for our team, right now, we need guys that can start from day one. We need to take a guard/center at our first number two. Protecting Cassel needs to become a priority without reaching for players and forcing at least three players into new positions(I.E. Okung is out of the question in my opinoin)

[T-RICH49]

ok so far my draft looks like this:

1. Eric Berry
2a. Brandon Spikes
2b. Jon Asamoah
3. Matt Tennant
4. Denario Alexander
5. Brandon Lang

[vidae]

ok so far my draft looks like this:

1. Eric Berry
2a. Brandon Spikes
2b. Jon Asamoah
3. Matt Tennant
4. Denario Alexander
5. Brandon Lang

It's hard to hate what you've done so far, sir. Two starters on the OL (I love Tennant btw), an ILB, an OLB, a S and my second favorite WR of this draft. Kudos.

Now we just need Boo Robinson or Kade Weston and it's a WRAP!

[T-RICH49]

yeah gonna target a NT next pick

[T-RICH49]

next pick....Kade Weston.

so on D I addressed S, ILB, OLB and NT and addressed OL and WR on O.where should I go next?

[Hermstheman83]

next pick....Kade Weston.

so on D I addressed S, ILB, OLB and NT and addressed OL and WR on O.where should I go next?

How about Running backs? Gotta have some talent to spell mr. charles.