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Splat
10-20-2009, 09:14 PM
Bears announce Cutler deal (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/20/bears-announce-cutler-deal/)

Though the terms, as usual, have not been disclosed, the Chicago Bears officially have announced that quarterback Jay Cutler's contract has been extended by two years.

Cutler is now under contract through 2013.

Full terms likely will be leaked or reported in the coming days. So stay tuned.

CC.SD
10-20-2009, 09:20 PM
30 mill says SI.com.

MidwayMonster31
10-20-2009, 09:32 PM
$20 Million in guaranteed money through 2013. A little early, but can't argue with it, since we gave up a lot to get him.

bearsfan_51
10-20-2009, 09:44 PM
Not early. We're aren't ripping up his old deal, just adding years onto it. Signed through 2013. Works for me.

OzTitan
10-20-2009, 10:13 PM
This serves to add some guaranteed money to the contract since a trade strips that away. It's common practice after a trade - if anything this is a little late as such deals are often ready to go before the trade is signed off on.

Fairly win win - Jay gets a little more security knowing he isn't a freebie to release/trade, he probably gets a new signing bonus straight away, and the Bears probably saved a bit off the cap in the short term (which may not actually matter with the CBA expiring and all).

TitleTown088
10-20-2009, 10:16 PM
Whats the bears cap situation lookin like these days?

aNYtitan
10-20-2009, 10:35 PM
So when does Orton get a new deal?

OzTitan
10-20-2009, 10:35 PM
Whats the bears cap situation lookin like these days?

I'm not sure, but it's probably better for 2009 after this. It likely wasn't too much of a pay increase, if at all, and all they likely really did was effectively turn some base salary into prorated signing bonus, not to mention reset his year count on his deal back to year 1, which is almost always the lowest cap impacting year on an NFL contract.

TitleTown088
10-20-2009, 10:38 PM
I'm not sure, but it's probably better for 2009 after this. It likely wasn't too much of a pay increase, if at all, and all they likely really did was effectively turn some base salary into prorated signing bonus, not to mention reset his year count on his deal back to year 1, which is almost always the lowest cap impacting year on an NFL contract.

Well I just figured because they took on Gaines Adams contract as well on top of recently giving Briggs, Urlacher and that crappy guard some money. I'm not familiar with the amounts, just curious.

MasterShake
10-20-2009, 11:48 PM
Smart not to give him a long term contract. He will never win a superbowl. He doesn't have it in him.

the decider13
10-20-2009, 11:50 PM
So when does Orton get a new deal?

He should get his lifetime contract any day now.

Brodeur
10-20-2009, 11:56 PM
Smart not to give him a long term contract. He will never win a superbowl. He doesn't have it in him.

Yeah okay.

Monomach
10-21-2009, 12:01 AM
Well I just figured because they took on Gaines Adams contract as well on top of recently giving Briggs, Urlacher and that crappy guard some money. I'm not familiar with the amounts, just curious.

Prior to this, we had quite a bit of cap room. I'm guessing this was done with a lot of the money coming this year to eat some of it up.

Gaines Adams counts against the cap for about a million a year for the rest of his contract...Tampa got stuck.

bearsfan_51
10-21-2009, 01:20 AM
Well I just figured because they took on Gaines Adams contract as well on top of recently giving Briggs, Urlacher and that crappy guard some money. I'm not familiar with the amounts, just curious.
Urlacher only got like 1 year added onto his contract, crappy guard didn't get that much, and Lance Briggs' deal was below market price. He got less than what the Jets gave Calvin Pace.

Money's no problem. Most of our good players are locked up for the next few years.

bearsfan_51
10-21-2009, 01:25 AM
Smart not to give him a long term contract. He will never win a superbowl. He doesn't have it in him.
http://www.spooncraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/failed_troll1-300x300.jpg

SFbear
10-21-2009, 01:45 AM
Urlacher only got like 1 year added onto his contract, crappy guard didn't get that much, and Lance Briggs' deal was below market price. He got less than what the Jets gave Calvin Pace.

Money's no problem. Most of our good players are locked up for the next few years.

I like how we aren't even saying his name now. I approve of this.

Caddy
10-21-2009, 03:19 AM
I have no problems at all with this deal. Jay Cutler is a premier quarterback and he is worth the money. Now Chicago just need to work on getting him the tools to carry the team to the Superbowl.

DaN1eL
10-21-2009, 05:15 AM
They should did this, early or late

djp
10-21-2009, 06:22 AM
They should did this, early or late

Right....

Try again

BlindSite
10-21-2009, 06:44 AM
They should did this, early or late
do i sentence how type

awfullyquiet
10-21-2009, 09:07 AM
do i sentence how type

you have no chance to survive make your time!

Brodeur
10-21-2009, 11:03 AM
They should did this, early or late

I like this guy.

Rosebud
10-21-2009, 12:41 PM
this guy like am.

fixed (10char)

TitleTown088
10-21-2009, 03:14 PM
I like how we aren't even saying his name now. I approve of this.

To be honest I was going to look up how to spell his name, then I realized he wasn't worth the effort.

MasterShake
10-21-2009, 03:29 PM
http://www.spooncraft.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/failed_troll1-300x300.jpg

Not trolling, its my honest opinion of Cutler from watching him play. He has the physical talent, but his decision making is lacking. He doesn't have the mindset needed to be a great QB, he will always be a good QB who makes too many mistakes. Those mistakes won't kill him against average teams, but in the playoffs against good/great teams, he won't be consistent enough to win it all.

Thats my honest opinion of Cutler....take it or leave it, but not trolling.

Matthew Jones
10-21-2009, 03:35 PM
I guess this makes sense, but they might have wanted to wait until after his next win to announce it. Cutler is launching up interceptions like it's nobody's business. He's on pace for what, 22? I'm notoriously low on Cutler, though. I think he's too careless and inconsistent.

bearsfan_51
10-21-2009, 03:56 PM
I guess this makes sense, but they might have wanted to wait until after his next win to announce it. Cutler is launching up interceptions like it's nobody's business. He's on pace for what, 22? I'm notoriously low on Cutler, though. I think he's too careless and inconsistent.
What would waiting until next week have mattered? Do you think there are Chicago fans upset with this move?

awfullyquiet
10-21-2009, 04:00 PM
Not trolling, its my honest opinion of Cutler from watching him play. He has the physical talent, but his decision making is lacking. He doesn't have the mindset needed to be a great QB, he will always be a good QB who makes too many mistakes. Those mistakes won't kill him against average teams, but in the playoffs against good/great teams, he won't be consistent enough to win it all.

Thats my honest opinion of Cutler....take it or leave it, but not trolling.

http://bymyart.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/brett-favre-go-bears1.jpg

didn't always hurt this guy...

i also like how you're convinced hes the 'good QB who makes too many mistakes'.

Mistake making QB's rarely are good. The ones that are good, are the guy above. Not David Carr, not Aaron Brooks, not Rex Grossman, nor Matt Leinart or Jake The Snake... You're falling to the concept of 'public perception', imo. consistancy to win it all from the QB position isn't always the strongest indication to success at winning in the playoffs...

TitleTown088
10-21-2009, 04:20 PM
Uh, leave Brent out of this. Had enough of that chump lately.

MasterShake
10-21-2009, 06:34 PM
http://bymyart.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/brett-favre-go-bears1.jpg

didn't always hurt this guy...

i also like how you're convinced hes the 'good QB who makes too many mistakes'.

Mistake making QB's rarely are good. The ones that are good, are the guy above. Not David Carr, not Aaron Brooks, not Rex Grossman, nor Matt Leinart or Jake The Snake... You're falling to the concept of 'public perception', imo. consistancy to win it all from the QB position isn't always the strongest indication to success at winning in the playoffs...

Sure you can say he is a watered-down version of Favre...and a full-strength version of Farve won one lombardi in a looooooooooong career. He's no Favre but prone to similar mistakes, which to me means unless he has a serious change in his play in the coming years, he will not win a championship.

Hey listen, its nice to have a guy with that kind of talent who can win you some games. But at the same time, if he never wins you a championship was he worth it? You can't really let him go cause the bears have been QB starved for so long they'll hold onto him forever. And they'll make the playoffs with him a good amount of times perhaps. But I don't think he is a championship QB.

Could he get hot in the playoffs one year and win it all? Its possible, but I think unlikely.

Gay Ork Wang
10-21-2009, 06:44 PM
why is he no Favre?

bearsfan_51
10-21-2009, 07:40 PM
But at the same time, if he never wins you a championship was he worth it?
Yes, a thousand times yes. If Cutler has a great career and never wins the Superbowl, I still won't want those 1st round picks back. A lot of great Quaterbacks don't win Superbowls, so even granting that your flimsly argument has merit, I would still want him.

TitleTown088
10-21-2009, 10:29 PM
why is he no Favre? Does someone honestly need to explain this to you? Jay Cutler is nothing compared to Brent in entering his prime, most quarterbacks aren't.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-21-2009, 10:31 PM
Does someone honestly need to explain this to you? Jay Cutler is nothing compared to Brent in entering his prime, most quarterbacks aren't.

Brent's a cool guy, but I don't think I'd take him over Cutler.

TitleTown088
10-21-2009, 10:32 PM
Brent's a cool guy, but I don't think I'd take him over Cutler.

In their prime? Child please.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-21-2009, 10:33 PM
In their prime? Child please.

Wait my bad, I thought you just made a typo. Then I saw you called him Brent in a previous post. So forget I said it lol. I was thinking it was a typo, and was talking about Brent the poster.

TitleTown088
10-21-2009, 10:36 PM
Wait my bad, I thought you just made a typo. Then I saw you called him Brent in a previous post. So forget I said it lol. I was thinking it was a typo, and was talking about Brent the poster.
I'd probably take Brent the poster too. ;)


But Brent comes from this group of T-shirts. I forget not everyone is familiar with the Packers.

http://gaspedal.com/wp-content/uploads/never-forget-you-brent.jpg

Gay Ork Wang
10-22-2009, 05:10 AM
Does someone honestly need to explain this to you? Jay Cutler is nothing compared to Brent in entering his prime, most quarterbacks aren't.
im not saying production wise, but playing style wise.

awfullyquiet
10-22-2009, 09:30 AM
Sure you can say he is a watered-down version of Favre...and a full-strength version of Farve won one lombardi in a looooooooooong career. He's no Favre but prone to similar mistakes, which to me means unless he has a serious change in his play in the coming years, he will not win a championship.

Hey listen, its nice to have a guy with that kind of talent who can win you some games. But at the same time, if he never wins you a championship was he worth it? You can't really let him go cause the bears have been QB starved for so long they'll hold onto him forever. And they'll make the playoffs with him a good amount of times perhaps. But I don't think he is a championship QB.

Could he get hot in the playoffs one year and win it all? Its possible, but I think unlikely.

Favre has won as many Lombardi's as: Peyton Manning, Kurt Warner, Steve Young, Trent Dilfer, and Brad Johnson. That's a 'bad' argument.

Hell, how many teams win multiple SB's in a career? You find it's the exception, not the norm. And, I don't think any Bears fan, or most fans in general, are looking for the QB to be the ANSWER to win multiple SB's. If so, that's a naive idea that's impossible to even predict and expect from a quarterback. I'd prefer a quarterback that gives us more winning seasons than losing seasons. One that can make plays as a QB in the playoffs.

I think your problem, shake, is that you're under the dying impression that this kid is wholly responsible for the inability of the previous denver broncos teams. That's not the case anymore.

And I don't think you have the insight to say 'hey, he's never going to be able to win the superbowl'... Because, look above, some of those quarterbacks are really good. Some are really... average. What do they all have in common? Talented teams and superior coaching. Are the Bears that team yet? No. Not yet... but is it possible during his career as a Bear that they become that. Definitely possible.

and TT, i'm sorry for bringing brent into it. I know he's a sore spot on you and all packers fans genitals. And yes, Cutler isn't Favre, he won't be Favre, and probably will never be Favre. He'll be better (*snickers*)...

DexterM
10-22-2009, 09:54 AM
So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

Oh. Wait. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

awfullyquiet
10-22-2009, 10:26 AM
So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

Oh. Wait. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

I can say, you legitimately pwnd that one, good show.

EvilNixon
10-22-2009, 10:29 AM
So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

Oh. Wait. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

Quite an entrance lol.

Gay Ork Wang
10-22-2009, 10:31 AM
So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

Oh. Wait. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.
Rep is up for you!

TitleTown088
10-22-2009, 12:45 PM
im not saying production wise, but playing style wise.

So you're esentially saying he's a poor decision maker that dosen't get production either. Sounds like my kind of QB...

Gay Ork Wang
10-22-2009, 12:49 PM
no, im saying that after brett played like 500000 years he had awesome production and his playing style succeeded more than it failed him, so why should it be any different for someone with the same playing style?

Paranoidmoonduck
10-22-2009, 01:03 PM
no, im saying that after brett played like 500000 years he had awesome production and his playing style succeeded more than it failed him, so why should it be any different for someone with the same playing style?

Yeah! Kyle Boller is bound to have success if he keeps at it.

Splat
10-22-2009, 01:03 PM
So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

Oh. Wait. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

Look at the noobie coming out swinging.

Gay Ork Wang
10-22-2009, 01:07 PM
Yeah! Kyle Boller is bound to have success if he keeps at it.
so Cutler = Boller?

even considering boller, you can see it is not the playing style that really is what it takes. I mean all 3 of those guys, favre, boller and Cutler basically have the same playing style and you have 3 different results.

awfullyquiet
10-22-2009, 01:12 PM
no, im saying that after brett played like 500000 years he had awesome production and his playing style succeeded more than it failed him, so why should it be any different for someone with the same playing style?

what my poor germasian friend here is trying to say.

he has a great arm, good presence, and average to slightly above average accuracy... much like our good friend brent. what separates the two is the production and general 'awareness' of recievers that brent had. What's great for brent though, was that he had 15 years of relative stability (8 with holmgren isn't a bad start), and had some quality recievers (robert brooks, sterling sharpe, and antonio freeman weren't chumps and played for quite a while (and then i could toss in DD for 5 more years)...)

Cutler's a youngin.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-22-2009, 03:04 PM
I'd probably take Brent the poster too. ;)


But Brent comes from this group of T-shirts. I forget not everyone is familiar with the Packers.

http://gaspedal.com/wp-content/uploads/never-forget-you-brent.jpg

Brent the poster is quite skinny, I doubt his body could hold up to the hits an NFL QB would take. Also, Texas A&M is not known for producing top QBs, especially when they don't play football.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-22-2009, 03:06 PM
I guess this makes sense, but they might have wanted to wait until after his next win to announce it. Cutler is launching up interceptions like it's nobody's business. He's on pace for what, 22? I'm notoriously low on Cutler, though. I think he's too careless and inconsistent.

He had a very bad first game, and since then he's only thrown 3 picks. Not great, but not horrible. He won't throw 22 INTs, just like Antwan Odom wasn't gonna have 56 sacks as the first 2 weeks suggested.

Gay Ork Wang
10-22-2009, 03:09 PM
He had a very bad first game, and since then he's only thrown 3 picks. Not great, but not horrible. He won't throw 22 INTs, just like Antwan Odom wasn't gonna have 56 sacks as the first 2 weeks suggested.
Odom was gonna get 60.

MasterShake
10-22-2009, 08:28 PM
So let me get this straight. Jay Cutler throws too many interceptions to win a Superbowl (we've decided that at the ripe old age of 26, he is done progressing as a QB, that's completely legit). I mean, he does throw an interception once every 31 passes or so. It's not like, say, Ben Roethlisberger, who has won two Superbowls, who is so much more careful with the ball throws an interception every 28 attempts.

Oh. Wait. Your argument makes no sense whatsoever.

I never said he throws too many INTs...he does, but that wasn't the the entire argument. The INTs are a sign of his bad decision making. His overall bad decision making is what worries me most about him. One stat does not compare two QBs...watch the two play football and you'll see the differences between the two.

Big Ben has some decision making problems as well, and rode his defense to one of those superbowls. Dilfer won a superbowl like that too. But Ben does have that something special....that escapability in the pocket and making the big play when it counts.

Rosebud
10-22-2009, 08:44 PM
I think a lot of cutler's "bad decision making" is just him pressing to make something happen for his team, in Denver it was a god awful defense, in chicago it's been an atrocious line that's lead to no passing game and a defense that's suffered some wear and tear. I think if he were on a team that was better across the board he'd be making a lot less bad decisions and being more careful with the ball.

CC.SD
10-22-2009, 08:46 PM
I miss Cutler. The hangdog expression alone was worth the price of admission.

Timbathia
10-22-2009, 09:14 PM
It seems there is really only a few games at most each season that Cutler plays a large part in losing by forcing the ball when he shouldnt. As long as in the future he doesnt coincide them with NFC Championship games or Superbowls then I am sure Chicago can easily live with that. There will be many more games in his career he is responsible for winning than losing.

DexterM
10-22-2009, 10:00 PM
I never said he throws too many INTs...he does, but that wasn't the the entire argument. The INTs are a sign of his bad decision making. His overall bad decision making is what worries me most about him. One stat does not compare two QBs...watch the two play football and you'll see the differences between the two.

Big Ben has some decision making problems as well, and rode his defense to one of those superbowls. Dilfer won a superbowl like that too. But Ben does have that something special....that escapability in the pocket and making the big play when it counts.

I'm not going to get into whether or not Ben is a special QB or not, none of that was part of my argument. But how can you say Cutler is a bad decision maker when he was playing on a team that relied on him to carry the team with his arm, and yet he threw less interceptions than Ben? Someone who had a defense so he didn't need to try and just go out and win the game constantly (I am not comparing the two quarterbacks, nor saying one is better than the other). Cutler does have his "WTF R U THINKINGZZZ" moments, but he's 26, and his "That deep ball just made me jizz in my pants" moments seem to outnumber the bad.

It's a subjective view which you are trying to turn into an objective one. I don't see how one QB's mistakes are easily overcome to win Superbowls, but then on an apparent whim, another QB's arguably lesser mistakes are insurmountable.

I would be very happy with Cutler as my starting QB. He's obviously not a Brady or Manning, but he's capable of being a top 5 QB in the league, and I definitely believe that could win you a Superbowl. And I say that after somewhat hoping he'd fail after the offseason. :P

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-22-2009, 10:18 PM
I miss Cutler. The hangdog expression alone was worth the price of admission.

I miss him, cuz every Broncos-Chargers game had the potential to lead to a Cutler-Rivers heavyweight fight, and I wanna see that happen.

MasterShake
10-23-2009, 12:06 AM
I'm not going to get into whether or not Ben is a special QB or not, none of that was part of my argument. But how can you say Cutler is a bad decision maker when he was playing on a team that relied on him to carry the team with his arm, and yet he threw less interceptions than Ben? Someone who had a defense so he didn't need to try and just go out and win the game constantly (I am not comparing the two quarterbacks, nor saying one is better than the other). Cutler does have his "WTF R U THINKINGZZZ" moments, but he's 26, and his "That deep ball just made me jizz in my pants" moments seem to outnumber the bad.

It's a subjective view which you are trying to turn into an objective one. I don't see how one QB's mistakes are easily overcome to win Superbowls, but then on an apparent whim, another QB's arguably lesser mistakes are insurmountable.

I would be very happy with Cutler as my starting QB. He's obviously not a Brady or Manning, but he's capable of being a top 5 QB in the league, and I definitely believe that could win you a Superbowl. And I say that after somewhat hoping he'd fail after the offseason. :P

I'm not trying to make it objective...I'm being very subjective. I don't like Cutler as a QB. After watching him play I don't think he has what it takes to be a championship QB...thats my opinion of him. I feel like his during his career we'll always talk about what he could be and not what he is...basically a career of falling short of his potential.

I'm not saying its impossible for him to win a superbowl...again like I said even Dilfer won one. But I don't see him as being the type of QB that will give you the play you need in the playoffs to win most of the time.

Like someone pointed out early...its nice to have a guy who can get you to the playoffs. so there is something to be said for that, but I feel like he won't bring a championship to chicago.

awfullyquiet
10-23-2009, 06:26 AM
I'm not trying to make it objective...I'm being very subjective. I don't like Cutler as a QB. After watching him play I don't think he has what it takes to be a championship QB...thats my opinion of him. I feel like his during his career we'll always talk about what he could be and not what he is...basically a career of falling short of his potential.


I think peyton manning is the worst quarterback ever.

There I'm being subjective. Very Subjective.

I'm also very wrong.

MasterShake
10-23-2009, 04:10 PM
I think peyton manning is the worst quarterback ever.

There I'm being subjective. Very Subjective.

I'm also very wrong.

There is a big difference between having a obviously stupid opinion and a debatable opinion.

Certainly, people can have an opposite opinion on Cutler at this point. There is not clear right answer right now and only time will tell. But I don't think he's got the stuff.

MarioPalmer
10-23-2009, 05:33 PM
I miss him, cuz every Broncos-Chargers game had the potential to lead to a Cutler-Rivers heavyweight fight, and I wanna see that happen.

Oh wait, you got that beast in your sig to lead you guys to promise land...can you say Jake Plummer clone?


As for Cutler, he is beast and I love watching him play. Ryan, Flacco, Rivers, Palmer, Cutler, Brady, Favre and Peyton are some of the funest QB's to watch. Guys who are balls to the wall, well Ryan isn't but its still fun to watch a great QB like him, I love watching QBs who are so damn strong that INT's, incomplete passes and even losses don't faze them. Cutler gives the Bears a guy to root for on the offensive side of the ball. They needed that, they need someone who is that kind of guy. And paying him the big bucks was worth it. Cutler for mayor you herbs.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-23-2009, 05:33 PM
People said that same thing about Peyton Manning before he actually won one. He was a choker. He couldn't win a big game.

MarioPalmer
10-23-2009, 05:35 PM
People said that same thing about Peyton Manning before he actually won one. He was a choker. He couldn't win a big game.

Peyton is beast, Orton is not. Cutler is beast, Orton is not. Do you think that the Broncos would be better with Cutty? I think so.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-23-2009, 05:39 PM
Peyton is beast, Orton is not. Cutler is beast, Orton is not. Do you think that the Broncos would be better with Cutty? I think so.

Dude, I wasn't even addressing you. I decided not to press quote, but you snuck a post in before I could. Obviously Orton isn't on their level as a quarterback. He's good at what he does, and that's good for us. The only problem if we still had Jay would be that he'd put the D into bad situations sometimes. But I think the scoring output he'd most likely get would override that problem. We might not be 6-0 right now, but we'd probably be better equipped for a postseason run.

MarioPalmer
10-23-2009, 06:11 PM
Yeah, I'm sneaky like that, and you know you addressed me, you love me, you all do. Stop snitching by the way, its very unbecoming of you, anyway, Cutty would be a beast right now for the Bronks.

CC.SD
10-23-2009, 11:10 PM
There is a big difference between having a obviously stupid opinion and a debatable opinion.



Hm I am not so sure on this one, you'd be surprised at the kind of things people consider facts. This is also a very applicable life lesson.

Xenos
10-23-2009, 11:26 PM
Oh wait, you got that beast in your sig to lead you guys to promise land...can you say Jake Plummer clone?


As for Cutler, he is beast and I love watching him play. Ryan, Flacco, Rivers, Palmer, Cutler, Brady, Favre and Peyton are some of the funest QB's to watch. Guys who are balls to the wall, well Ryan isn't but its still fun to watch a great QB like him, I love watching QBs who are so damn strong that INT's, incomplete passes and even losses don't faze them. Cutler gives the Bears a guy to root for on the offensive side of the ball. They needed that, they need someone who is that kind of guy. And paying him the big bucks was worth it. Cutler for mayor you herbs.
Orton is nothing like Plummer. In fact, Cutler is more like Plummer with his turnover ratios. Orton is more like Griese or Chad Pennington. He takes care of the ball and plays possession football. He's the type of QB that would fit the old Steelers type of QB. Someone who manages the game and lets the defense and running game take over. However, that's short changing him. With every game, Orton's actually gotten better this season and he's taken advantages of huge plays when they present themselves.

Shiver
10-24-2009, 12:03 AM
I wish that someone could rein Jay Cutler in, unfortunately he is who he is: a poor man's Brett Favre. He will be sandwiched in the 6-12 QB range until he disciplines himself; but man his combination of arm strength, mobility and aggressiveness is fun to watch. I'm not sure it will translate into the Super Bowls that Bears' fans hope it will though.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
10-24-2009, 12:07 AM
I wish that someone could rein Jay Cutler in, unfortunately he is who he is: a poor man's Brett Favre. He will be sandwiched in the 6-12 QB range until he disciplines himself; but man his combination of arm strength, mobility and aggressiveness is fun to watch. I'm not sure it will translate into the Super Bowls that Bears' fans hope it will though.

I could see him get one like Brett, but unless the Bears D can regain its dominance and sustain it, I don't think he'll get one beyond that. He is only 26 though, so maybe he can improve on his decision making. I love him in the clutch though. It seems like any time a game is close and the ball is in his hands, he's gonna drive down the field and at least give you a chance to win. I don't think I've ever seen him get the ball in that situation and then have nothing happen.