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broth223
10-21-2009, 10:57 PM
After the er... quasai success of the DC draft dictionary I thought this would be a nice research project. + Rep to anyone who gives a good one. I'm looking for things that GMs, coaches, etc. Who has something that will give us a clue on how that person drafts. For example, Mike Shanahan deciples never draft first round RBs.
AFC
East
Buffalo Bills
Miami Dolphins
New England Patriots
New York Jets
North
Baltimore Ravens
Cincinnati Bengals
Cleveland Browns
Pittsburgh Steelers
South
Houston Texans
Indianapolis Colts
Jacksonville Jaguars
Tennessee Titans
West
Denver Broncos
Kansas City Chiefs
Oakland Raiders
San Diego Chargers
NFC
East
Dallas Cowboys
New York Giants
Philadelphia Eagles
Washington Redskins
North
Chicago Bears
Detroit Lions
Green Bay Packers
Minnesota Vikings
South
Atlanta Falcons
Carolina Panthers
New Orleans Saints
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
West
Arizona Cardinals
San Francisco 49ers
Seattle Seahawks
St. Louis Rams
TitansCJftw
10-21-2009, 11:09 PM
raiders draft the best athletes... despite them not being the best football players...
A Perfect Score
10-21-2009, 11:21 PM
Ozzie Newsome is the king of BPA.
Rosebud
10-21-2009, 11:28 PM
The giants:
Long Arms are something our team looks for in a lot of prospects.
When we draft corners we look for guys with good size and physicality as well as good man cover skills
We generally go with BPA for our scheme.
That all said we'll need a few more drafts to really figure out how JC operates.
aNYtitan
10-21-2009, 11:30 PM
Titans-more BPA less need. Have been known to get enamored with workout warriors
Chris Johnson = very good
Chris Henry = very bad
PossibleCabbage
10-21-2009, 11:35 PM
Here's my notes on Ted Thompson, Green Bay Packers GM:
-Tape and college production are of primary and foremost importance.
-Leaders and team captains are very highly valued, not being a team leader is a downgrade.
-History of injuries is only a minor downgrade.
-Age appears to be irrelevant.
-Prototypical position measurables are very important (lack of them is a severe downgrade). There's a definite priority for big guys (and positions that require big guys), everything else being equal.
-Playing far from the ball is a slight downgrade in the higher rounds of the draft.
-Tends to select close to BPA, particularly in the higher rounds.
-Running slower than NFL average per unit weight (i.e. weight/height) in the 10 yard split is a downgrade. Less so running a "slow" 40 for positions that don't require long speed.
-OL who are known as "tough guys" (i.e. ruffians who play a little nasty) are highly valued.
-Legal problems and attitude issues are a severe downgrade, may completely eliminate an otherwise talented player.
When I try to figure out his board, I first try to rank on production and tape, then try to insert the medical guys where they I guess they would fit if they were fully healthy. Modify this via combine stats, physical freaks get a 10-20 bump of 10-20 spots. Guys who lack position prototype measurables are downgraded based on severity.
From what I can tell looking at his career drafting in Green Bay and Seattle, his measurables targets by position are roughly:
DEs/3-4 OLBs- Height ~6'4", arms 34" or longer, broad+vert+reps ≥70, and good 10 yd split a significant bonus.
DTs- Weight at least 300, vert+broad+reps ≥70, arms 33" or longer.
CBs- At least 5'11" tall, must jump well (35" or better), and must run in the 4.4 range.
OL- Height at least 6'4", weight at least 300, Short Shuttle at least 4.6s, 3 cone at least 7.6c, long arms a big plus. General rubric for drafting OL is "biggest, nastiest guy who is sufficiently athletic."
WRs- 5'11" or taller, must either run a 40 in the 4.5 range, or a 10 in the 1.5 range. Must have good hands.
RBs- Weight 200-210, 10 yard split ~1.55s
QBs- At least 6'2" tall, high wonderlic mandatory, must be an accurate passer.
Flyboy
10-21-2009, 11:35 PM
Ozzie Newsome is the king of BPA.
As is Sean Payton/Mickey Loomis more often than not.
DoughBoy
10-21-2009, 11:40 PM
If a players have the same college production, or same size or speed, Jeff Fisher will take the guy with the dreadlocks.
SenorGato
10-21-2009, 11:51 PM
- If a big, prototypical DT is a good student, has a high motor, can eat blockers, and can beat blockers to make plays...they'll go high. Price, McCoy, Cody, Suh, Oghobaase, and Odrick will all go in the first 2 rounds. Suh in the early first, Oghobaase is top 25, and Odrick going in the early-mid second. Cody will go either early first or early second. There's a few other guys, but I went 3-4 because I'm a prick.
- RB height doesn't mean anything. McKnight, Devine, and Best all run with more power than given credit for. Same for MJD, Rice, Leon Washington, Norwood, Sproles, and alot of other guys. They're stout guys with really low centers of gravity and strong legs. Also, their power gets better as they age.
- WR's who can run routes and get separation are very valuable, and not as likely to bust. Damian Williams could be the first WR taken just because nobody combines route running with the ability to separate quickly and speed. Another guy like that is Gilyard, who could/should go in the second, and is a steal if he falls lower.
- And if we're just going team tendencies, then the Jets want big, smart, athletic guys. Vince Oghobaase in 2010.
CashmoneyDrew
10-21-2009, 11:55 PM
Well, Mike Reinfeldt has only been with the Titans for three drafts, but the Titans haven't been a team that likes to trade up often. Especially in the higher rounds. The Titans also usually have huge gaps between picking the same positions on offense in the first round. Examples.....
QB- Steve McNair (1995)
Vince Young (2006)
HB- Eddie George (1996)
Chris Johnson (2008)
WR- Kevin Dyson (1998)
Kenny Britt (2009)
ETC....
OneToughGame
10-22-2009, 12:21 AM
For the Seahawks, At least with Tim Ruskell is:
Seniors
"Safe" picks
Local products
scottyboy
10-22-2009, 12:29 AM
Giants like to take big school guys early such as webster (LSU), Ross (Texas), KP (the U), Smith(USC)
BUT we like small school steals such as Boss and Bradshaw
Matthew Jones
10-22-2009, 12:34 AM
Patriots draft tendencies:
- Draft a lot of versatile guys, especially offensive linemen who can play more than one spot on the line
- Usually draft a tight end somewhere in the draft
- Like to trade down a lot, especially for picks in the next draft
- High football IQ is usually necessary for a lot of guys
- Take a developmental QB at some point fairly often
- Versatile defensive linemen who can play tackle or end
- Speed isn't a huge factor, neither is size in most cases
- Look for players with a lot of starting experience
- Tough players seem to get a pretty sizable bonus
I'll post more later.
danzing1488
10-22-2009, 12:41 AM
Here is my take, you must look like a "prototypical" NFL player if you are a skill position player. It doesn't matter if your big, strong, fast or have fantastic college production, scouts don't draft a skill position player in the first round unless he "looks" the part....wink wink ;), sorry Eric Decker & Toby Gerhart, even though you both are OBVIOUSLY the best college players at your respective positions, you are NOT getting drafted in 1st round, doesn't matter what you do the rest of this season, that's just the way it is :(
DoughBoy
10-22-2009, 12:43 AM
Dude you should break your streak. People are starting to talk.....
ElectricEye
10-22-2009, 12:48 AM
That's what he is. Read the boards at http://castefootball.us/. Sounds just like one of the drones from there.
Rosebud
10-22-2009, 01:17 AM
Giants like to take big school guys early such as webster (LSU), Ross (Texas), KP (the U), Smith(USC)
BUT we like small school steals such as Boss and Bradshaw
Yeah, I'd say our first 3 rounds we focus on getting guys who have been tested against the highest competition and are more likely to be ready to make a quick impact. From that point on we just look for guys we think can make a big impact be it as a project or as a role player.
Rosebud
10-22-2009, 01:23 AM
Here is my take, you must look like a "prototypical" NFL player if you are a skill position player. It doesn't matter if your big, strong, fast or have fantastic college production, scouts don't draft a skill position player in the first round unless he "looks" the part....wink wink ;), sorry Eric Decker & Toby Gerhart, even though you both are OBVIOUSLY the best college players at your respective positions, you are NOT getting drafted in 1st round, doesn't matter what you do the rest of this season, that's just the way it is :(
WTF does being the best college player at your position have to do with you're spot as prospects? BTW neither decker nor gerhart are the best at their positions in the college game.
wicket
10-22-2009, 01:34 AM
saints trade up often early in the draft (so they can combine need with value)
they like taking shots at late round wideouts
they very much watch the fit of the character in the early rounds
niel89
10-22-2009, 03:16 AM
Ozzie Newsome is the king of BPA.
Ravens also seem to catch players that slide farther than they should. They have caught a lot of talent at the end of the first round.
GhostDeini
10-22-2009, 04:36 AM
As mentioned previously Ravens staying patient and letting good players fall to them. I can think of only 3 first rounders they've missed on Taylor, Boller, Clayton.
Raiders never going with the safe pick. They always have to take the workout warrior. I bet Taylor Mays ends up in Oakland.
Patriots keep raping dumb ass teams into giving them extra first round picks.
Jags taking a Florida Gator.
fenikz
10-22-2009, 05:58 AM
Cardinals/Graves always go BPA and he isn't afraid to take athletes with high potential but aren't the safest bets(DRC, C Campbell, G Toler, A Branch, H Johnson) also not afraid of small school prospects(DRC, T Hightower, G Toler, B Keith, B Patrick)
Has to be one of the most successful drafters in the NFL
Starters(or former starters) drafted since 2003
2003
Bryant Johnson
Calvin Pace
Anquan Boldin
Gerald Hayes
Reggie Wells
2004
Larry Fitzgerald
Karlos Dansby
Darnell Dockett
Antonio Smith
2005
Antrel Rolle
Eric Green
2006
Matt Leinart
Deuce Latui
Leonard Pope
Gabe Watson
2007
Levi Brown
Alan Branch
Steve Breaston
Ben Patrick
2008
DRC
Calais Campbell
Tim Hightower
raiders draft the best athletes... despite them not being the best football players...
They also seem a bit prone to drafting players at a given position, because they regret passing on a player at the same position in a prior draft. Two examples:
1. Matt Leinart looks good as a rookie, Al Davis regrets passing on him, and then drafts JaMarcus Russell the next year.
2. Adrian Peterson looks good as a rookie, Al Davis notices, and drafts Darren McFadden the next year.
broth223
10-22-2009, 11:13 AM
They also seem a bit prone to drafting players at a given position, because they regret passing on a player at the same position in a prior draft. Two examples:
1. Matt Leinart looks good as a rookie, Al Davis regrets passing on him, and then drafts JaMarcus Russell the next year.
2. Adrian Peterson looks good as a rookie, Al Davis notices, and drafts Darren McFadden the next year.
Did any WR play balls out last year? Because that would make this very interesting.
scottyboy
10-22-2009, 12:12 PM
Ozzie Newsome drafts epic win. See: Rice, Raymell baby
CLong4Heisman
10-22-2009, 12:31 PM
Did any WR play balls out last year? Because that would make this very interesting.
Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson and Davone Bess. Although the first two were picked well after Oakland picked but the Raiders passed on Bess to take Chaz Schillens in the 7th round.
sbh15
10-22-2009, 12:35 PM
Did any WR play balls out last year? Because that would make this very interesting.
Only ones worth noting are Eddie Royal (who Davis experienced 1st hand) and Desean Jackson.
Unbiased
10-22-2009, 03:54 PM
Jags taking a Florida Gator.
That was definitely the case, but not anymore with the new GM.
Halsey
10-22-2009, 04:03 PM
I was allowed to watch UGA's pro day this last spring. Mike Smith and Thomas Dimitroff were standing near me and I listened in on a conversation they were having with a UGA coach and Rennie Curran. I specifically heard Dimitroff say he prefers guys who play out their full eligibility. That makes sense since he comes from the Patriots. He has drafted at least one underclassman since being the Falcon's GM(Curtis Lofton), but the Falcons clearly prefer college graduates. There was a time when the Patriots had the most college graduates of any NFL team. They may still be that way.
DeepThreat
10-22-2009, 06:32 PM
Mangini and the Browns like smart players with versatility. He loves someone with a great work ethic and character. Defensive backs are high on the list. He doesn't care about the public opinion.
broth223
10-22-2009, 10:20 PM
Houston Texans
Head Coach - Gary Kubiak - 2006-Now
OC - Denver Broncos - 1995 - 2005
Kubiak's Draft Choices
1995*
4 (121) Jamie Brown T Florida A&M
6 (196) Terrell Davis RB Georgia
7 (222) Byron Chamberlain WR Wayne State (Neb.)
1996*
3 65 Detron Smith RB Texas A&M
4 100 Jeff Lewis QB Northern Arizona
5 159 Patrick Jeffers WR Virginia
7 226 Chris Banks G Kansas
1997*
3 67 Dan Neil G Texas
1998*
1 30 Marcus Nash WR Tennessee
3 91 Brian Griese QB Michigan
5 153 Chris Howard RB Michigan
7 200 Trey Teague T Tennessee
1999*
2 61 Lennie Friedman C Duke
3 93 Travis McGriff WR Florida
4 127 Olandis Gary RB Georgia
5 158 David Bowens LB Western Illinois
6 179 Desmond Clark TE Wake Forest
6 204 Chad Plummer WR Cincinnati
7 218 Billy Miller WR USC
7 238 Justin Swift TE Kansas State
2000*
3 70 Chris Cole WR Texas A&M
4 112 Cooper Carlisle G Florida
5 154 Muneer Moore WR Richmond
6 189 Mike Anderson RB Utah
7 214 Jarious Jackson QB Notre Dame
2001*
4 113 Ben Hamilton C Minnesota
6 190 Kevin Kasper WR Iowa
2002*
1 19 Ashley Lelie WR Hawaii
2 51 Clinton Portis RB Miami (Fla.)
5 144 Herb Haygood WR Michigan State
6 191 Jeb Putzier TE Boise State
2003*
1 20 George Foster T Georgia
4 108 Quentin Griffin RB Oklahoma
5 157 Ben Claxton C Mississippi
5 158 Adrian Madise WR Texas Christian
7 235 Ahmaad Galloway RB Alabama
2004*
2 41 Tatum Bell RB Oklahoma State
2 54 Darius Watts WR Marshall
6 171 Triandos Luke WR Alabama
7 225 Matt Mauck QB Louisiana State
7 247 Brandon Miree RB Pittsburgh
7 250 Bradlee Van Pelt QB Colorado State
2005*
3 101 Maurice Clarett -- Ohio State
6 200 Chris Myers G Miami (Fla.)
2006*
1 11 Jay Cutler QB Vanderbilt
2 61 Tony Scheffler TE Western Michigan
4 119 Brandon Marshall WR Central Florida
4 130 Domenik Hixon WR Akron
5 161 Chris Kuper G North Dakota
6 198 Greg Eslinger C Minnesota
* An asterisk denotes only offensive picks as Kubs was the OC at the time.
2007
1 10 Amobi Okoye DT Louisville
3 73 Jacoby Jones WR Lane
4 123 Fred Bennett CB South Carolina
5 144 Brandon Harrison DB Stanford
5 163 Brandon Frye OT Virginia Tech
6 183 Kasey Studdard G Texas
7 218 Zach Diles LB Kansas State
2008
1 26 Duane Brown T Virginia Tech
3 79 Antwaun Molden CB Eastern Kentucky
3 89 Steve Slaton RB West Virginia
4 118 Xavier Adibi OLB Virginia Tech
5 151 Frank Okam DT Texas
6 173 Dominique Barber FS Minnesota
7 223 Alex Brink QB Washington State
2009
Round 1, Pick 15 (15) Brian Cushing OLB 6'3" 243 Southern Cal
Round 2, Pick 14 (46) Connor Barwin DE 6'4" 256 Cincinnati
Round 3, Pick 13 (77) Antoine Caldwell OG 6'3" 309 Alabama
Round 4, Pick 12 (112) Glover Quin CB 5'11" 204 New Mexico
Round 4, Pick 22 (122) (From Vikings) Anthony Hill TE 6'5" 262 North Carolina State
Round 5, Pick 16 (152) James Casey TE 6'3" 246 Rice
Round 6, Pick 15 (188) Brice McCain CB 5'9" 185 Utah
Round 7, Pick 14 (223) Troy Nolan S 6'1" 207 Arizona State
Trend: In his entire stint in the NFL as a OC and HC Kubs has only had 3 offensive first round picks. Since he became HC of the Texans there have been one. None of the first round picks have been RBs.
Trend: In general most players drafted were on the defensive side of the ball.
I am going to continue this.
Cardinals/Graves always go BPA and he isn't afraid to take athletes with high potential but aren't the safest bets(DRC, C Campbell, G Toler, A Branch, H Johnson) also not afraid of small school prospects(DRC, T Hightower, G Toler, B Keith, B Patrick)
Has to be one of the most successful drafters in the NFL
Starters(or former starters) drafted since 2003
2003
Bryant Johnson
Calvin Pace
Anquan Boldin
Gerald Hayes
Reggie Wells
2004
Larry Fitzgerald
Karlos Dansby
Darnell Dockett
Antonio Smith
2005
Antrel Rolle
Eric Green
2006
Matt Leinart
Deuce Latui
Leonard Pope
Gabe Watson
2007
Levi Brown
Alan Branch
Steve Breaston
Ben Patrick
2008
DRC
Calais Campbell
Tim Hightower
HAHAHA not sure that 2007 pick was BPA
Marino13
10-23-2009, 11:54 AM
Before Parcells got to Miami, I couldn't really tell you what our strategy was. I do know we liked drafting undersized LBs (Derrick Pope and Eddie Moore prime examples) and we liked drafting big safeties to make into LBs (Corey Jenkins and Tony Bua). Wanny did like drafting CBs though, I tend to remember a lot of corners in his drafts.
Under Parcells/Ireland/Sparano we like tougher guys that have a lot of experience, but they also have to be versatile.
redbills
10-23-2009, 11:56 AM
Dick likes to pick 8 DBs every year. At least it seems like it.
coordinator0
10-23-2009, 12:11 PM
Newsome likes to take seniors with his early picks. The last underclassman that we took in the first was Suggs I believe. He doesn't really go for any underclassmen often now that I look at it. I could be wrong, but it looks like the last one we drafted was Gaither in the supplemental draft.
roidrunner
10-23-2009, 12:16 PM
Ted Thompson is the trading down freak of the NFL. You can basically get any draft pick he has, you just have to ask and offer picks.
Gay Ork Wang
10-23-2009, 12:18 PM
Did any WR play balls out last year? Because that would make this very interesting.
maybe Calvin the year before, he was like the #2 player after AP
wonderbredd24
10-23-2009, 12:25 PM
While there's only been one draft with Kokinis/Mangini, there was an obvious pattern to their draft picks.
-Smart guys, on and off the field.
Almost all of the picks last year had high GPAs and football smarts. Their 1st round pick, Alex Mack, was the winner of the Draddy Award winner for college football's top scholar athlete. Don Carey had a scholarship offer to go to a prestigious academic institution (I think Harvard), but opted to go to Norfolk State for football where he was a MEAC Academic All-American 3 times. He also won an award for community service. David Veikune was lauded for his football acumen when they took him as a defensive lineman and now developing him into an ILB and OLB.
-Hard workers
None of the guys drafted had motors that went hot and cold. Mack, Veikune, and Maiava are three good examples. They all have non-stop motors and play from the snap to the whistle
-Character
The FO did not draft anyone with an out of control ego or anyone with any criminal incidents in their background
-Doesn't seem to give a **** about the 40 yard dash
David Veikune, Coye Francies, and Don Carey did not blow anyone away at the combine with their straight line speed, but the Browns took them anyway. In Veikune's defense, he showed he was effective when it came to changing direction quickly.
-Productive
Every single pick had loads and loads of game experiene and was productive in college. The Browns did not take any physical freaks with limited game experience that they hope they can turn into something in the pro game.
Summary: There are a good number of similarities between both Parcells and Belichick when it comes to drafting. They seem to have a profile they draft and are not afraid to take a guy earlier than experts might think just like the Belichick (Mankins, Vollmer), which works well for Belichick. Hopefully, it will for Mangini. And just like Belichick, Kokinis/Mangini love having picks in the 2nd round. They had 3 last year and assuming Braylon gets to the 50 or 55 catches he need, will have at least 2 this year.
LizardState
10-23-2009, 12:28 PM
Well, Mike Reinfeldt has only been with the Titans for three drafts, but the Titans haven't been a team that likes to trade up often. Especially in the higher rounds. The Titans also usually have huge gaps between picking the same positions on offense in the first round. Examples.....
QB- Steve McNair (1995)
Vince Young (2006)
HB- Eddie George (1996)
Chris Johnson (2008)
WR- Kevin Dyson (1998)
Kenny Britt (2009)
ETC....
Thanx for the Reinfeldt props, VM. I remember him from the Titans parent team, the Houston Oilers, when he was an All Pro safety. He works the draft masterfully & did wonders with the Seahawks team that (eventually) made it to the SB with some of the guys he brought in to Seattle. Great front office signing by Tennessee.
Dallas Cowboys draft tendencies: about 75% driven by Jerry Jones draft day trades. Dallas: More Draft Day Trades than Any Other NFL Team! Whether they ******* work or not. They used to set the standard for innovations in the draft, this is the team that was famous for 1st use of computers to evaluate talent back in the dark ages of the late 60s, & for converting basketballers (Pete Gent, WR, Mich. St, btw author of North Dallas 40) & track stars (Bullet Bob Hayes, Fla. A&M) into pro FB players, not so much anymore. Lately they are focused on in-state talent, which in Texas is considerable, for decades the wretched Texas sports press ragged on them for ignoring Longhorns, Aggies, Houston U. etc. in the draft, Landry got burned on RB Billy Cannon from Tx. A&M, son of the LSU Heisman winner, in the 70s who had a career-ending neck injury his sr. yr. so he shunned locals. Now the tendency is somewhat reversed, note that Jerry Ones hunted & acquired former Texas WR Roy Williams in a trade with beleaguered Detroit a yr ago, paid too much but wtf, TO was going to leave anyway, not a draft tendency but a tendency.
Ozzie Newsome does work the BPA model better than your avg. GM, & he's not afraid to try players in new roles. He took LeRon McClain from his old school, Alabama, a textbook example of a blocking FB whose total carries per season has been in single digits, & converted him into their feature RB as a 1-2 punch with McGahee last season, McClain was instrumental in putting B-More into the AFC Championship game.
The 9ers may not statistically draft more local players more than any other team, but it sure seems that way. Lots of Cal, Stanford, Cal Poly, UC-Davis, or San Jose St. players. The Raiders could dispute that, but lately the 9ers washouts end up across the Bay with them anyway.
Hines
10-23-2009, 12:33 PM
Steelers pretty much always go BPA in round one and just let players slide farther than they should've (ie. Heath Miller, Big Ben, Mendenhall, Sweed). If they really want a player, they will trade up to get him, such as Polamalu and Holmes. They always draft guys who can play multiple positions for the team, especially across the oline.
LizardState
10-23-2009, 12:48 PM
-Doesn't seem to give a **** about the 40 yard dash
David Veikune, Coye Francies, and Don Carey did not blow anyone away at the combine with their straight line speed, but the Browns took them anyway.
Francies told me at the SJSU Pro Day he ran his famous 4.35 40 at American River Juco in Oregon at age 18. That's borderline world class speed. He was unaware that time was published in the PFW Draft edition, I had highlighted it & showed it to him. He ran a 4.59 & 4.65 on his two 40s at SJSU, 2nd fastest among DBs.
nobodyinparticular
10-23-2009, 01:17 PM
Eddie Royal, DeSean Jackson and Davone Bess. Although the first two were picked well after Oakland picked but the Raiders passed on Bess to take Chaz Schillens in the 7th round.
If we are going with this train of thought, Eddie Royal seems to make the most sense in terms of making Davis jealous. The dude absolutely destroyed Oakland in week 1 of 2008.
TBH, I don't think this a worthwhile train of though. No one can deny that the Raiders needed a franchise QB after their abysmal 2006 season. And no one could deny that the Raiders needed a dynamic RB the following year--everyone was in love with McFadden and him going to the Raiders made a ton of sense. And this past draft, EVERYONE knew the Raiders needed a WR--JLH was the WR with the most catches at 22 in 2008.
A case can certainly be made that Davis chose the wrong WR, but in each of the past 3 years they have drafted for need.
Cardinals/Graves always go BPA and he isn't afraid to take athletes with high potential but aren't the safest bets(DRC, C Campbell, G Toler, A Branch, H Johnson) also not afraid of small school prospects(DRC, T Hightower, G Toler, B Keith, B Patrick)
Graves just takes the biggest-name, most internet draftnik-hyped player available. I don't even think they have a scouting department, they just go off of what draft analysts and internet message boards say.
initial_flo
10-24-2009, 01:33 AM
While there's only been one draft with Kokinis/Mangini, there was an obvious pattern to their draft picks.
-Smart guys, on and off the field.
Almost all of the picks last year had high GPAs and football smarts. Their 1st round pick, Alex Mack, was the winner of the Draddy Award winner for college football's top scholar athlete. Don Carey had a scholarship offer to go to a prestigious academic institution (I think Harvard), but opted to go to Norfolk State for football where he was a MEAC Academic All-American 3 times. He also won an award for community service. David Veikune was lauded for his football acumen when they took him as a defensive lineman and now developing him into an ILB and OLB.
-Hard workers
None of the guys drafted had motors that went hot and cold. Mack, Veikune, and Maiava are three good examples. They all have non-stop motors and play from the snap to the whistle
-Character
The FO did not draft anyone with an out of control ego or anyone with any criminal incidents in their background
-Doesn't seem to give a **** about the 40 yard dash
David Veikune, Coye Francies, and Don Carey did not blow anyone away at the combine with their straight line speed, but the Browns took them anyway. In Veikune's defense, he showed he was effective when it came to changing direction quickly.
-Productive
Every single pick had loads and loads of game experiene and was productive in college. The Browns did not take any physical freaks with limited game experience that they hope they can turn into something in the pro game.
Summary: There are a good number of similarities between both Parcells and Belichick when it comes to drafting. They seem to have a profile they draft and are not afraid to take a guy earlier than experts might think just like the Belichick (Mankins, Vollmer), which works well for Belichick. Hopefully, it will for Mangini. And just like Belichick, Kokinis/Mangini love having picks in the 2nd round. They had 3 last year and assuming Braylon gets to the 50 or 55 catches he need, will have at least 2 this year.
Dead on for pretty much everything. Everything has radically changed when the Mangini posse rolled into town.
Mangini will definitely sacrifice perceived player upside to get guys that will do exactly what he says and work hard.
Seems like he will stay away from anyone with any personality if he can help it.
Hasn't rolled the dice at all yet draftwise, plays it safe and trades back a lot (for lesser value if he needs to). Likes to deal with the Jets, A LOT.
The Browns Mangini draft summed up in 3 words: safe, productive, wuss. A fourth would be Jets.
eaglesalltheway
10-24-2009, 09:07 AM
Did any WR play balls out last year? Because that would make this very interesting.
DeSean Jackson had a pretty good rookie year at Wideout last year, could possibly fit that trend...
Here are some Bill Polian tendencies:
- Sticks strictly to his draft board.
- Great talent or not, he doesn't draft players with character issues.
- He doesn't always draft the bigger names but rather players who fit the most to Colts system. For example, Cover-2 corners are often mid-round talents and you'll never see him draft a huge O-Lineman (Colts' linemen are lighter and quicker).
- For WR position, he'll draft polished route runners in early rounds (Harrison, Wayne, Gonzalez) and raw athletes in later rounds (Pierre Garcon, Roy Hall).
- Rob Morris was the last LB Polian drafted in the 1st round and that was before Dungy came along and installed the Cover-2 system. He views it as a position that can be addressed later in the draft.
- Until recently, he preferred lighter and quicker D-Linemen. In last draft he drafted two 300-lbs DTs, which probably indicates a change of philosophy by Jim Caldwell.
yodapoop
10-24-2009, 11:23 AM
Rams very much seem to draft based on need, at least in the first few rounds. Defntly not BPA......Chris Long is not Matt Ryan, but hey I wanted Long, people are way too fast and way too ******** to start calling players busts in their second year. Was Steve Young a bust his first two years? Yeah, a little bit, but he did get very good.
ATLDirtyBirds
10-24-2009, 11:26 AM
A thing I've noticed with Dimitroff is that he seems to go for intelligent and high character guys. Likes "football players". In the 3rd round on, he will make picks that can be considered reaches, but it's because he thinks the guy fits and can make a contribution. This has only been two drafts however.
Babylon
10-24-2009, 11:59 AM
For the Seahawks, At least with Tim Ruskell is:
Seniors
"Safe" picks
Local products
I hope the local products continue with Taylor Mays and Jake Locker.
BurgundyRevolution
10-30-2009, 02:11 PM
Dan Snyder tends to fall in love with big name players and Vinny Cerrato being the yes man that he is follows his lead. This usually results in limitless trading of draft picks (mostly spent on over the hill free agents), drafting of initial busts, who then move on to find success elsewhere in a system that actually knows football, and a lack of young talented players.
This is the result of an owner who does not know football, thinks he is always right, and will never hire anyone who will stand up to his fantasy style of running an organization.
bigbluedefense
10-30-2009, 02:25 PM
For the first 3 years of his tenior as our GM, Jerry Reese has always drafted the BPA in our biggest need in round 1.
In 07 our biggest need was CB, we drafted Aaron Ross who was BPA at CB when our time came.
In 08, our biggest need was Safety, and we drafted Kenny Phillips who was the best safety available at our pick.
In 09, our biggest need was WR, and we drafted Nicks, who in my eyes, was the best WR available. (I had Nicks rated higher than some WRs taken before him as well)
So I expect Reese to do the same this year, and draft the best available player in our biggest need come draft day in round 1.
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