Larry Johnson vs. Todd Haley

[Shiver]

http://twitter.com/ToonIcon/status/5159194072

My father played for the coach from "rememeber the titans". Our coach played golf. My father played for redskins briefley. Our coach. NuthnI agree with him 100% that Haley has zero credibility, especially how he dresses down players; that said I bet the Chiefs cut him after this knowing their gestapo regime.

[wordofi]

http://twitter.com/ToonIcon/status/5159194072

I agree with him 100% that Haley has zero credibility, especially how he dresses down players; that said I bet the Chiefs cut him after this knowing their gestapo regime.

Todd Haley got owned. And Larry Johnson probably has a fine coming his way.

[Shiver]

I always thought Todd Haley was a massive douche, I remember him berating Terrell Owens in Dallas, Anquan Boldin in Arizona, and now they are running an insane regime in K.C (to those who don't live here, you don't know half the crazy stuff they've pulled.) What has he done? Who is he?

[T-RICH49]

LJ should shut his yap and try to run for more then 1 yard every carry

[San Diego Chicken]

Haley has failure written all over him, but at the same time, which coach has LJ not been a problem for? He should have been sent packing long ago especially with his robust contract.

[J52]

So I'm young (21) and I'm pretty damn good at understanding slang and speak it quite a bit... but I have not a clue what the hell he is saying.

[Shiver]

LJ should shut his yap and try to run for more then 1 yard every carry


We all know that LJ isn't good anymore, he like Holmes was a product of that all-time great O-Line. That doesn't mean that his comments aren't true, and it certainly doesn't mean that the locker room does not agree with his sentiments.

[PalmerToCJ]

Dear Larry,

You average 2.7 YPC this year. You are extremely expendable as you are a dinosaur in NFL running back age. While your team sucks and you may not see eye to eye with your coach, these comments are a poor business decision. Please continue to collect your checks and refrain from speaking.

Sincerely,
Your financial advisor.

[Rosebud]

I always thought Todd Haley was a massive douche, I remember him berating Terrell Owens in Dallas, Anquan Boldin in Arizona, and now they are running an insane regime in K.C (to those who don't live here, you don't know half the crazy stuff they've pulled.) What has he done? Who is he?

He's a good play caller offensively with a nice playbook?

[bored of education]

He is a good offensive coach with the worst offensive line in the NFL, Bowe, Cassell, was hired later than most coaches because of playoffs. 3 others Wr's brought in this year to be a compliment to Bowe (Engram, Wade, toomer). A new defensive scheme. The Chiefs are rebuilding. We all know that.

Now Todd, himself, is good for implementing the system the Pioli implemented to the Jets, then to the Patriots. It will take time. he is an extremist. he is nuts, he is passionate. i love everything about him so far.

This off season will be the offseason that matters. What changes are made, who is brought it, how Pioli and his staff drafts after getting a full offseason.


Larry Johnson can get cut tomorrow for all I care.

[Draft King]

I don't get it?

[FUNBUNCHER]

Has there ever been a coach Larry Johnson didn't have a problem with??

Dude is a perennial malcontent.

[San Diego Chicken]

I don't get it?

He's criticizing Haley because he never really played football, at least not on the college or pro level. Apparently he was a golfer in college (per wiki). Seems like Haley, like many other coaches, first broke into coaching only because his father was a front office guy in the NFL.

[BlindSite]

He was good in Arizona and it's not like Kansas was in any real shape to begin with. imo he deserves another year. If he's out, he'll land quickly as an OC imo.

[vidae]

I think I can speak on behalf of most KC fans when I say: Larry Johnson is not wanted here in KC anymore. Lack of effort, opening his mouth, off the field troubles.. it's just not worth it anymore.

That being said, Haley IS a douche and I was never a fan of the hire. It's easy to call plays when you have Boldin and Fitzy but not so much when you take over a struggling team. His playcalling this season has been downright atrocious at best and it isn't getting any better. Everything this offense has done (which isn't a whole hell of a lot..) was despite Haley, not because of him.

I wouldn't be the least bit upset if Pioli decided to part ways with him and hire someone else. Not even a little bit.

[Shiver]

I completely agree with the above post.

[Raiderz4Life]

Haley just seems too much of a 'my way or the highway' type of coach. Completely inflexible and too confrontational

[Shiver]

Haley just seems too much of a 'my way or the highway' type of coach. Completely inflexible and too confrontational


He reminds me, in a lot of ways, like Nick Saban. Players won't want to play for him and the media will be out to get him. They want to be Parcells and Belicheck, but aren't even close.

[aNYtitan]

What happened to LJ? He was so damn good as a straightline runner, mowing over people

[Shiver]

What happened to LJ? He was so damn good as a straightline runner, mowing over people

Willie Roaf, Brian Waters, Casey Wiegmann, Will Shields...

[vidae]

Willie Roaf, Brian Waters, Casey Wiegmann, Will Shields...

This. And he isn't a very good open field runner. He can't make people miss, he doesn't hit the hole with authority anymore and he just doesn't seem to give a ****. He doesn't try. If he tried he might be half way decent, but he doesn't and it shows.

[Jughead10]

He reminds me, in a lot of ways, like Nick Saban. Players won't want to play for him and the media will be out to get him. They want to be Parcells and Belicheck, but aren't even close.

What ever happened to giving a coach time? Haley wasn't exactly blessed with the greatest talent on his roster. I think the biggest mistake he and Pioli made was ever believing they could build into a big time team with Cassell as their QB. Cassell is a decent QB but I don't ever think he's the type to build a franchise around. That being said Larry Johnson has zero credibility at all. His tweet in fragmented sentences should get him fined or cut. He's been a disgruntled player under a few coaches now. He should look into the mirror if he isn't happy with his results on the field.

And I still think KC is going in the right direction. I like both Haley and Pioli in charge of the team. I just don't think they'll ever be a legit Super Bowl contender with Cassell at QB.

[A Perfect Score]

Call me crazy, but I still think LJ has what it takes to be a halfway decent running back for a team who's oline isnt the NFL equivalent of swiss cheese. He can pound it out as good as any bruiser, but has shown that he has the long speed to take it to the house when needed. He had one season with a ton of carries, but he did get his start very late after waiting behind Holmes so long, and I think he still has some gas in the tank.

That said, he is a moron and should just shut up and play football. I dont like Haley, but calling out your HC in this manner is just immature and quite honestly, ineffective. Why not keep it in house? Take it up with the people inside the organization, not on some stupid social networking website.

[Shiver]

Oh they will give him time, but I am skeptical that he can be a winning football coach. To those who point out Larry Johnson's failings, you are by all means right, but I bet he speaks for a lot of players in that locker room; they just aren't stupid and/or immature enough to say it publicly.

[vidae]

As far as Cassel goes, he is far from the problem on this team. He is making the most of the talent he has around him. He is in a system with no offensive line, no run game and one legit weapon on offense.

He will be fine. The offensive line and playcalling (Haley) is so bad that no QB would make this offense successful.

[Jughead10]

Oh they will give him time, but I am skeptical that he can be a winning football coach. To those who point out Larry Johnson's failings, you are by all means right, but I bet he speaks for a lot of players in that locker room; they just aren't stupid and/or immature enough to say it publicly.

Just appease a few of your stars. That's what head coaches do. KC doesn't have many stars. At least 50% of that roster will turnover before they're a winning team. All or most of the disgruntled players will be gone.

[Raiderz4Life]

I wish ppl would stop taking shots or undermining Cassel...the guy has done a great job with what he has. Wait until the guy gets some talent around him...give him some time and then judge him.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

everybody said the same things about tom coughlin until he won a SB

and im sure tiki barber was "speaking for a lot of players" too

fact is bad coaches are bad coaches and good coaches are good. different styles work in different ways. if tiki didnt have such a hardass coach he probably never fixes his fumbling problem. of course if said hardass coach had gone 4-12/5-11 a couple years in a row his players wouldve tuned him out and he wouldve gotten canned

[Jughead10]

As far as Cassel goes, he is far from the problem on this team. He is making the most of the talent he has around him. He is in a system with no offensive line, no run game and one legit weapon on offense.

He will be fine. The offensive line and playcalling (Haley) is so bad that no QB would make this offense successful.

I don't think he's the problem with the team. I just don't think you'll ever win a Super Bowl with him when the team gets better around him. I think it was foolish to start building a team around him. I think you would have been better off with either of Stafford or Sanchez.

[vidae]

I wish ppl would stop taking shots or undermining Cassel...the guy has done a great job with what he has. Wait until the guy gets some talent around him...give him some time and then judge him.

I agree with you. I was actually not a huge fan of the signing at the time but couldn't argue that the price tag was well worth it.

Since he has been here he has been more impressive than I thought he would be. Sure, he holds onto the ball too long sometimes and the game against the Chargers was pretty bad, but he has been good and you can't place the offensive problems on his shoulders. He has no offensive line at all. He gets no time in the pocket.

Surround him with a half decent offensive line and give him a run game and I think he could be a very good QB in this league.

[Raiderz4Life]

everybody said the same things about tom coughlin until he won a SB

and im sure tiki barber was "speaking for a lot of players" too

fact is bad coaches are bad coaches and good coaches are good. different styles work in different ways. if tiki didnt have such a hardass coach he probably never fixes his fumbling problem. of course if said hardass coach had gone 4-12/5-11 a couple years in a row his players wouldve tuned him out and he wouldve gotten canned

Yes but Coughlin changed his ways, he loosened up his iron grip some.

[PACKmanN]

He was good in Arizona and it's not like Kansas was in any real shape to begin with. imo he deserves another year. If he's out, he'll land quickly as an OC imo.

Since when was Arizona's offense bad?

[killxswitch]

I don't think he's the problem with the team. I just don't think you'll ever win a Super Bowl with him when the team gets better around him. I think it was foolish to start building a team around him. I think you would have been better off with either of Stafford or Sanchez.

Is the team really going to be "built" around him? That would imply he's earning franchise QB money. $63 million across 6 years isn't THAT big, especially compared to the contracts E Manning and Rivers just got. I don't claim to be an expert on the Chiefs' cap situation (and it may not matter anyway with the uncapped year stuff coming up), but don't they have a ton of space and a lot of rebuilding still to do? I doubt they're going to be a pass-first team with subpar defense and running game and mainly rely on Cassell to win. My guess is they'll try to be balanced.

[Bengalsrocket]

I just don't get it, can someone explain to me why people don't think Cassel is capable of winning a Superbowl?

to me, he seems to have a good throwing motion, good footwork, decent arm strength, pretty good accuracy and is capable of making NFL reads. Also, he has shown a little bit of mobility and vision for seeing running lanes when they open up.

[Jughead10]

I just don't get it, can someone explain to me why people don't think Cassel is capable of winning a Superbowl?

to me, he seems to have a good throwing motion, good footwork, decent arm strength, pretty good accuracy and is capable of making NFL reads. Also, he has shown a little bit of mobility and vision for seeing running lanes when they open up.

I don't think he has great arm strength. At least he isn't good at throwing the deep ball. When he took over for Brady last year, he couldn't make any plays deep to Moss. I just haven't seen anything that makes me think he is anything more than extremely mediocre. Can you be a winning QB like that? Sure. But you need to build a hell of a team around you to win a Super Bowl like that. We haven't seen teams win Super Bowls with QBs like that in recent history.

[Bengalsrocket]

I don't think he has great arm strength. At least he isn't good at throwing the deep ball. When he took over for Brady last year, he couldn't make any plays deep to Moss. I just haven't seen anything that makes me think he is anything more than extremely mediocre. Can you be a winning QB like that? Sure. But you need to build a hell of a team around you to win a Super Bowl like that. We haven't seen teams win Super Bowls with QBs like that in recent history.

I agree, I don't think he has great arm strength either. I said "decent" meaning like average or at the very least adequate. And I agree, he'll need a great team around him, but doesn't every QB?

Are you saying Peyton Manning or Tom Brady can win a Superbowl without a great team around them?

In fact, if I remember correctly, a lot of people questioned Tom Brady's deep ball when he first started playing too, yet he's developed it and now people think he has one of the better deep balls in the NFL.

[Jughead10]

Are you saying Peyton Manning or Tom Brady can win a Superbowl without a great team around them?

Yes. They need a good team around them but not a great team. None of those Patriot teams that won the Super Bowl were really great.

[Gay Ork Wang]

but then he lost one with a great team around him. good team > great team?

[FUNBUNCHER]

njx9, not hijack this thread, because Cassel does have enough arm to be good in the NFL, but his deep ball is NOT reliable, but can you name me 5 NFL Qbs who throw a better deep ball than Brady??

When Randy Moss takes off on a streak or go route, you better have a strong arm or you'll never make the play. Notice that Brady oftentimes hits Randy Moss in stride, so I don't get you criticism of Brady's ability to throw the deep ball.

[no bare feet]

Moss, more times than not, has to slow down his stride to get Brady's throws. I remember the 1st TD to Moss against the Jets in 07, the TD to Moss against the Titans. Just a few. Brady has never rarely thrown it in stride to Moss. Moss readjusts, and Brady gets the glamor.

[nepg]

Haley's fine for now. I expect him to loosen up once they get that roster stocked with Pioli/Haley guys. Guys like Waters, DJ, and LJ need to go. They're all playing like **** and still causing distractions for the other people there because they were the team leaders in the past. Get rid of those guys and hire an offensive coordinator, and thing should be fine.

That said, if Haley doesn't loosen up next year, I'd say he has some issues. I think he's got the right attitude for this team this year, though. They were soft, out of shape, and had a poor outlook/attitude when he came in. Things have changed dramatically, and I think we'll see a much better team after a full off-season in which they're focused more on football than getting in shape and getting the right attitude.

[Ho0k Em']

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/196185/ljtwitter1.jpg

more tweets from LJ responding to fans.

[killxswitch]

njx9, not hijack this thread, because Cassel does have enough arm to be good in the NFL, but his deep ball is NOT reliable, but can you name me 5 NFL Qbs who throw a better deep ball than Brady??


It depends on your definition of "better", but you could make the argument for the following:

P Manning
Brees
Favre
Warner (though maybe not this year)
Cutler
Roethlisberger
Palmer
Flacco
McNabb
Schaub
Rodgers

That isn't including guys like Tavaris Jackson, Derek Anderson, Jamarcus Russell, Michael Vick, Matthew Stafford, and Jason Campbell whose arms are strong but who aren't very good QBs. I may have missed some too. Brady's arm is fine but it isn't like he'll go down in history as one of the best deep passers ever.

[vidae]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/196185/ljtwitter1.jpg

more tweets from LJ responding to fans.

You stay classy LJ..

[nepg]

I defended him earlier because he stopped talking to people and had decided to just work hard and do his best to help the team. But that dude's done in KC. So his Brian "Holding" Waters. This team can still win some games, but I can't wait till next year when they don't have these prima donnas from the previous regime(s).

[bigbluedefense]

If players hate him, it could be a good sign.

This kind of reminds me of how players reacted to Coughlin after dealing with Fassell. Herm Edwards, like Fassell, made this team soft, and now Haley like Coughlin is coming in and bringing in discipline.

So yeah, everyone is going to complain. But too bad, thats what it takes to strengthen a lockerroom and weed out the garbage.

It takes a good 3 years or so to do, so this is just the beginning.

He'll continue to mold this team into his image, weed out the garbage, and keep moving forward. I don't think he's all that bad, he just needs players that fit his system.

And him not playing the game doesn't mean a thing. Who cares. A lot of coaches didnt play the game.

LJ is part of the problem, and every player in that lockerroom who has his attitude is part of the problem too. Weed out the garbage, and build the team with toughness.

I have no problem with Haley. Give it time.

[AJHawk50]

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/196185/ljtwitter1.jpg

more tweets from LJ responding to fans.
Wow, I wanted him gone last year...I really want him gone next year, 100%.

[Splat]

LJ vs Vermil

LJ vs Edwards

LJ vs Haley

Pattern?

I'm fine with Haley being the Chiefs HC and Cassel being the QB but LJ needs to go.

[AJHawk50]

Wow, I wanted him gone last year...I really want him gone next year, 100%.
The more I think about it I get more pissed at L.J. I would rather have Dantrell Savage run than Larry Johnson. Park his ass, I'm tired of his mouth and no results.

[vidae]

I have no problem with Haley. Give it time.

My biggest problem with Haley is his playcalling. Yeah he's kind of a control freak douche, but the playcalling is REALLY bad. He fired Chan Gailey before the season and decided to go it himself. He's a better playcaller than Chan Gailey but that isn't saying much.

I like how he is tough and I like how he conditioned this team (lost something like 900 lbs as a team?) but we need someone who makes better decisions with the offensive playcalling.

I hope we hire someone this offseason.

[Splat]

I think some of the blame has to go to Scott Pioli the only real move he made was the trade for Cassel and Vrabel.

He knew how bad the OL was last year and he didn't really address it at all unless you count picking up a 34 year old RG and a couple waiver players.

I'm all for building the team with the draft but you have to do one or the other he did neither they didn't even draft an OL men till the 5th round.

The Chiefs D is just a few players away from being decent but the O is such a mess and will keep being that way till they fix the OL.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

twitter is the best

[Shiver]

I think some of the blame has to go to Scott Pioli the only real move he made was the trade for Cassel and Vrabel.

He knew how bad the OL was last year and he didn't really address it at all unless you count picking up a 34 year old RG and a couple waiver players.

I'm all for building the team with the draft but you have to do one or the other he did neither they didn't even draft an OL men till the 5th round.

The Chiefs D is just a few players away from being decent but the O is such a mess and will keep being that way till they fix the OL.

FS
SS
LT, move Albert to G
RB
WR2

That is really all the team needs to be a winner, even if they addressed two or three of those they could be a competitive team.

[DeathbyStat]

I hate to say it but LJ is used up

[vidae]

FS
SS
LT, move Albert to G
RB
WR2

That is really all the team needs to be a winner, even if they addressed two or three of those they could be a competitive team.

Jarrad Page is a good young FS. SS is definitely a need and I'm hoping we target Eric Berry with our first pick if he's there and if he's not then the top OT on the board.

The thing you're missing (and one of the biggest problem spots on this KC team) is a pass rushing OLB. Tamba Hali has really come on lately and looks very good but someone opposite him would not hurt in the least.

RB is a major major need because LJ is just garbage and has been for years. Another weapon for Cassel would be nice too.

tl;dr: SS, OL, OLB are the biggest needs by far. We need to address them early.

[Splat]

I don't even know if Jared Page will be on the team next year he is in the last year of his deal and he isn't even starting (He Should Be) he doesn't look to be in the teams long term plans.

[vidae]

I don't even know if Jared Page will be on the team next year he is in the last year of his deal and he isn't even starting (He Should Be) he doesn't look to be in the teams long term plans.

He is a definite upgrade over both Jon McGraw and Mike Brown. McGraw is okay, Brown is trash. He should be on the field but then again he's not the only player who should be starting that isn't, so.

Guess we'll see what happens.

[Splat]

He is a definite upgrade over both Jon McGraw and Mike Brown.

I agree with you on this one I think it was a mistake to cut Pollard I would have went with Page and Pollard as the starters.

[dogfacec]

I completely agree as well.

[AJHawk50]

I agree with you on this one I think it was a mistake to cut Pollard I would have went with Page and Pollard as the starters.
I too liked Pollard and Page for the starters. We still have DaJuan Morgan don't we? Is he any good...young is all I know.

[yourfavestoner]

My biggest problem with Haley is his playcalling. Yeah he's kind of a control freak douche, but the playcalling is REALLY bad. He fired Chan Gailey before the season and decided to go it himself. He's a better playcaller than Chan Gailey but that isn't saying much.

I like how he is tough and I like how he conditioned this team (lost something like 900 lbs as a team?) but we need someone who makes better decisions with the offensive playcalling.

I hope we hire someone this offseason.

You guys simply don't have the talent to run ANY offensive scheme decently. Attributing woes to playcalling is a cop out, because Bill ******* Walsh wouldn't be able to run a decent offense with the players the Chiefs have on their roster.

Two cases in point: Tom Moore (current Indy offensive coordinator) was criticized for being too bland and conservative during his tenure with the Steelers in the 70s. He is currently hailed now as the godfather of offensive coordinators. What is the difference? A guy called Peyton Manning. Moore still runs one of the simplest and most vanilla offensive schemes in the league, but it is executed flawlessly because of the players they have, not the plays called.

Example 2 is Gregg Williams. I thought Gregg Williams was a terrible defensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars last year. Their once vaunted defense completely fell off the face of the earth once he got their hands on him last year. Now, his New Orleans defense is beasting, while the Jacksonville defense is still in complete disrepair because they have NO TALENT.

Every single play in a playbook is designed to score a touchdown if it is executed properly. Conversely, every defensive play is designed to stop the offense. It's all about the execution of the play, not what play is called.

Players>plays. Always, always, always.

[killxswitch]

You guys simply don't have the talent to run ANY offensive scheme decently. Attributing woes to playcalling is a cop out, because Bill ******* Walsh wouldn't be able to run a decent offense with the players the Chiefs have on their roster.

Two cases in point: Tom Moore (current Indy offensive coordinator) was criticized for being too bland and conservative during his tenure with the Steelers in the 70s. He is currently hailed now as the godfather of offensive coordinators. What is the difference? A guy called Peyton Manning. Moore still runs one of the simplest and most vanilla offensive schemes in the league, but it is executed flawlessly because of the players they have, not the plays called.

Example 2 is Gregg Williams. I thought Gregg Williams was a terrible defensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars last year. Their once vaunted defense completely fell off the face of the earth once he got their hands on him last year. Now, his New Orleans defense is beasting, while the Jacksonville defense is still in complete disrepair because they have NO TALENT.

Every single play in a playbook is designed to score a touchdown if it is executed properly. Conversely, every defensive play is designed to stop the offense. It's all about the execution of the play, not what play is called.

Players>plays. Always, always, always.

I agree with most of this, especially the part about Tom Moore being a bland offensive play caller. He doesn't deserve the credit he gets. I actually wish he would've retired.

I do think playcalling can be a problem, but only once the talent is there. Example: if you have the best RB in the league and a guy who could start for most teams as his backup, you should give them more than 21 carries. Especially if you want to save your 40 year old QB's arm for the playoffs.

[Splat]

"You got to have the players." ~~~ Herm Edwards

[bigbluedefense]

Yeah, I sympathize with terrible playcalling bc we have Kevin Gilbride, but when you have players who aren't very good in any scheme, it doesn't matter.

Its not like you have AD and the minnesota vikings oline and are throwing it 50 times a game.

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Haley has been around football ALL his life though.

His dad was a football legend first off.. One of the best Director of Player personnel I can think of! He was a ball boy for them as well as a kid. He watched the games with his and dad and watched film as well.

Then he broke in as a scouting assistant and WR coach, and did that for a few years and worked his way up. There is nothing to be ashamed of. That's a pretty damn good resume. I am sure he and his father networked and made a lot of connections in the business and that has helped him. Nothing wrong in that, that's life!

Now is his coaching style combative and aggressive, yes. But I am sure with age he will learn that it will work, or he will have to tone it down. But that's part of the learning curve he will have to figure out for himself. Same with coaches like Coughlin and even Rex Ryan who is like his dad.

And Larry Johnson is no Saint either.. I am sure Haley can write something how his dad raised him well, while LJ keeps getting arrested and having issues with the law. So I don't think he has a right to talk either.

[Bengalsrocket]

Players>plays. Always, always, always.

Plays still matter. And good play calling can mask some player deficiencies. While Tom Moore is very conservative and bland in general, he's still capable of compensating for the lack of rushing attack that Indianapolis has had since Edgerrin James left.

Furthermore, I think he's a bad example for play calling because even the worst of offensive coordinators would be able to look semi-competent at times if they had Peyton manning in their huddle.

Lastly, not every single play in a play book is designed to score a touchdown. Every play in the NFL is capable of a touchdown, but not necessarily designed for.

[vidae]

Plays still matter. And good play calling can mask some player deficiencies. While Tom Moore is very conservative and bland in general, he's still capable of compensating for the lack of rushing attack that Indianapolis has had since Edgerrin James left.

Furthermore, I think he's a bad example for play calling because even the worst of offensive coordinators would be able to look semi-competent at times if they had Peyton manning in their huddle.

Lastly, not every single play in a play book is designed to score a touchdown. Every play in the NFL is capable of a touchdown, but not necessarily designed for.

Not sure I could agree with this post any more.

[Babylon]

I think some of the blame has to go to Scott Pioli the only real move he made was the trade for Cassel and Vrabel.

He knew how bad the OL was last year and he didn't really address it at all unless you count picking up a 34 year old RG and a couple waiver players.

I'm all for building the team with the draft but you have to do one or the other he did neither they didn't even draft an OL men till the 5th round.

The Chiefs D is just a few players away from being decent but the O is such a mess and will keep being that way till they fix the OL.

In hindsight they probably should have taken an Andre Smith or a Eugene Monroe (especially without their 2nd round pick). Tyson Jackson is a nice player but that OL like KC fans have eluded to is brutal.

[nepg]

Pioli did make attempts to improve the OL. To be fair, I also thought Barry Richardson would be a pretty good RT for them, and that turned out to be wrong. Pioli's made a couple trades and tried a bunch of different guys. O'Callaghan has looked decent on the right side.

Unfortunately, Brian Waters has sucked as much as anyone on the line this year (he's gotta be leading the league in holding calls), and Branden Albert's been garbage when he's not injured, too.

You combine optimism for Richardson and the Goff signing, and I'd say you can't blame it on Pioli not trying. He made a great effort, but it just didn't work out. He'll have a whole off-season and well-stocked draft to fix it.

[Babylon]

Pioli did make attempts to improve the OL. To be fair, I also thought Barry Richardson would be a pretty good RT for them, and that turned out to be wrong. Pioli's made a couple trades and tried a bunch of different guys. O'Callaghan has looked decent on the right side.

Unfortunately, Brian Waters has sucked as much as anyone on the line this year (he's gotta be leading the league in holding calls), and Branden Albert's been garbage when he's not injured, too.

You combine optimism for Richardson and the Goff signing, and I'd say you can't blame it on Pioli not trying. He made a great effort, but it just didn't work out. He'll have a whole off-season and well-stocked draft to fix it.

They'll have to draft a tackle early i would assume but they didnt project what is going to be available very well. Last year was the year to get a tackle based on the talent available in the draft and this is the year to get a defensive lineman.(same reason)

[nepg]

If their pick is where it's on pace to be (I really don't think it will be), it'll be tough for them to decide between Suh, Berry, and Bryant. I don't see Pioli taking an offensive lineman that high. Second round? I could see that, definitely.

[Babylon]

If their pick is where it's on pace to be (I really don't think it will be), it'll be tough for them to decide between Suh, Berry, and Bryant. I don't see Pioli taking an offensive lineman that high. Second round? I could see that, definitely.

If they had taken Monroe last year i guess you could take Suh this year.Question is would you rather.

Suh and Monroe or

Jackson and Okung. I'd take the former.

[bored of education]

If they had taken Monroe last year i guess you could take Suh this year.Question is would you rather.

Suh and Monroe or

Jackson and Okung. I'd take the former.

Too bad no one could have predicted who or what would be available where....next year.

some people are morons. ugh

[Splat]

League looking into Larry Johnson remarks (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/26/league-looking-into-larry-johnson-remarks/)

[Babylon]

Too bad no one could have predicted who or what would be available where....next year.

some people are morons. ugh

Just trying to state an opinion.

[yourfavestoner]

League looking into Larry Johnson remarks (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/26/league-looking-into-larry-johnson-remarks/)

I have a feeling the league is gonna make him regret making the "they can't take my checks" comment.

[bored of education]

Just trying to state an opinion.

Not you per se, just in general. The would've, could've, should'ves piss me off.

I like Haley. Get rid of the patty cack mentality that was in KC.

[vidae]

I have a feeling the league is gonna make him regret making the "they can't take my checks" comment.

I sure hope they do. I'm tired of his crap.

[AJHawk50]

Just read that L.J. issued an apology...yeah that's bs.

[CC.SD]

Just read that L.J. issued an apology...yeah that's bs.

BS that he is still a starter.

[no bare feet]

I just read that Larry Johnson was told to stay away from the practice facilities until the team works out this issue. I think this spells the end of LJ. LJ sucks.

[AJHawk50]

Just heard on espn that he is restricted from practicing or being at the Chiefs facility until they figure this out.

[vidae]

BS that he is still a starter.

He hopefully won't be for long. Jamaal Charles should be starting for us anyway.

[AJHawk50]

"I regret my actions. The words were used by me in frustration, and they were not appropriate," Johnson said. "I did not intend to offend anyone, but that is no excuse for what I said.

"I also want to apologize to all the kids who view athletes as role models. I was not a good role model yesterday and hopefully I can become a better role model."

Tuesday, the Chiefs said they and the NFL are continuing to investigate Johnson's alleged comments.

"Until that review is complete, the Chiefs have instructed Larry to refrain from practicing with the Chiefs or participating in other team activities," the team said in a statement. "A decision regarding Larry's status will be made once the investigation has concluded."

[Splat]

They should just cut him it is time for both the Chiefs and LJ to move on.

[falloutboy14]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/10/27/chiefs-suspend-johnson-indefinitely/

[Splat]

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/10/27/chiefs-suspend-johnson-indefinitely/

Just cut him.

[vidae]

That apology is **** and we all know it. He isn't sorry and he doesn't care. He's just worried that he might lose a paycheck or two and I hope he does. If this isn't a huge sign to Pioli/Haley that it's time to cut him loose I don't know what is.

[Flyboy]

Example 2 is Gregg Williams. I thought Gregg Williams was a terrible defensive coordinator for the Jacksonville Jaguars last year. Their once vaunted defense completely fell off the face of the earth once he got their hands on him last year. Now, his New Orleans defense is beasting, while the Jacksonville defense is still in complete disrepair because they have NO TALENT.

Biiingo. But, Williams has said numerous times that he did not get to fully run the defense in Jacksonville like he wanted to due to Del Rio wanting a lot of input with the defense.

[bigbluedefense]

Biiingo. But, Williams has said numerous times that he did not get to fully run the defense in Jacksonville like he wanted to due to Del Rio wanting a lot of input with the defense.

I remember that. I remember watching Williams' defense in Jacksonville and thinking "this isn't a Greg Williams defense"

They played way too passively, and I think Del Rio had a lot of influence on that.

[Flyboy]

I remember that. I remember watching Williams' defense in Jacksonville and thinking "this isn't a Greg Williams defense"

They played way too passively, and I think Del Rio had a lot of influence on that.

I absolutely loved what GW has brought to our defense. I hope he doesn't run off to become a head coach after the season, but he's brought toughness to that side of the ball. Having a healthy Tracy Porter, Jabari Greer (most underrated free agent pickup, he's been completely shut down for us) & Darren Sharper helps too.

[T-RICH49]

looks like RB will need to be a higher priority either in FA or the draft

[A Perfect Score]

looks like RB will need to be a higher priority either in FA or the draft

I always liked Jamaal Charles. I think if you got him a bruiser to spell him, he could be a starter.

[Splat]

I always liked Jamaal Charles. I think if you got him a bruiser to spell him, he could be a starter.

The guy has talent and I really like him but I hold my breath every time he has the ball since he fumbles so much.

[yourfavestoner]

Biiingo. But, Williams has said numerous times that he did not get to fully run the defense in Jacksonville like he wanted to due to Del Rio wanting a lot of input with the defense.

I remember that. I remember watching Williams' defense in Jacksonville and thinking "this isn't a Greg Williams defense"

They played way too passively, and I think Del Rio had a lot of influence on that.

They tried to early in the season, but they simply didn't have the talent to pull it off. You can't be a blitz heavy team with no rushers and nobody who can cover; it just won't work. They realized this as the season wore on and started to revert back to the cover two.

[vidae]

The guy has talent and I really like him but I hold my breath every time he has the ball since he fumbles so much.

He does have problems holding onto the ball.. and every time he touches it I worry it's going to hit the turf, but he is a hell of a lot more explosive than LJ and I think he deserves a shot.

[Splat]

He does have problems holding onto the ball.. and every time he touches it I worry it's going to hit the turf, but he is a hell of a lot more explosive than LJ and I think he deserves a shot.

I agree.

I have said for awhile he needs to get the ball more it sounds like he is going to get that chance its on him now.

[vidae]

I agree.

I have said for awhile he needs to get the ball more it sounds like he is going to get that chance its on him now.

I know a number of us here on this board have been saying we can't stand LJ and hope he's gone. I hope this is the first step to that becoming a reality.

And yeah, give Charles a chance and see what he can do.

[Castle]

Since the Chiefs are likely to pick in the top 5 again next year, who do you guys want them to target? I don't follow the Chiefs so I don't know who on that team has been good.

[Splat]

Since the Chiefs are likely to pick in the top 5 again next year, who do you guys want them to target? I don't follow the Chiefs so I don't know who on that team has been good.

Their biggest need is by far OL but I'm not sure if there will be a OT worth that pick so they could go BPA with Eric Berry which would also fill a huge need.

Its really hard to say they have so many needs its way to early to say what they could do.

[Giantsfan1080]

Looks like the Chiefs are going to release Larry Johnson.

[Castle]

Looks like the Chiefs are going to release Larry Johnson.

That's hardly a surprise. Everyone knew his time in KC was going to end soon. He reminds me of the running back version of T.O.

[Splat]

Looks like the Chiefs are going to release Larry Johnson.

In till I see it on a site I trust I won't believe it but hope so.

[AJHawk50]

I don't think that anyone has mentioned this but I just remembered it that, L.J. is like less than 100 yards away from the all time Chiefs rushing record which is held by Priest Holmes I assume?

I would sure as hell rather have Priest be the best RB regarding yards we have ever had than have L.J. take it especially the way things are going right now. I do not want Larry to get the new record.

[AJHawk50]

I did see this on espn.com...

The team could be checking to see whether Johnson violated contract provisions that would allow the Chiefs to cut him with reduced financial obligation.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4599204

[vidae]

Since the Chiefs are likely to pick in the top 5 again next year, who do you guys want them to target? I don't follow the Chiefs so I don't know who on that team has been good.

I want Eric Berry if he's available for us. We have a huge hole at safety and he would give us a presence in the secondary that we're clearly lacking.

After that, it's OL/NT/OLB and if this news about LJ being gone is true, possibly a runner in the later rounds.

[Saints-Tigers]

In till I see it on a site I trust I won't believe it but hope so.

It's true, got the info from someone in the know.

[Splat]

It's true, got the info from someone in the know.

No offense but that does nothing for me.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

RealGM is a pretty safe site for info. I dunno specifically about football, but I get a lot of basketball news from there and they're spot on, I assume it's the same for football. Plus Saints-Tigers is a mod there.

[T-RICH49]

I have a hard time seeing how he survives the season here now.not sure when but I do expect LJ to be out

[Splat]

RealGM is a pretty safe site for info. I dunno specifically about football, but I get a lot of basketball news from there and they're spot on, I assume it's the same for football. Plus Saints-Tigers is a mod there.

I'm not saying its not true and I'm in no way taking a shot at ST I would just like to see it on a few other sites first.

That said I HOPE its true.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m249/paranoidmoonduck/2dalnacjpg.gif

I don't know, I kind of like Todd Haley.

[Flyboy]

That's an awesome .gif, Paranoid.

One thing that I did like that Haley did was after Bowe caught the game-tying TD pass against Dallas, Haley yells out to him: "Don't let me break you!" That's one thing I like from coaches. Still not big on Haley, though.

[Splat]

Chiefs suspend RB Larry Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-chiefs-johnsonsuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns)

One game thats it what a joke.

[Splat]

Chiefs suspend RB Larry Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-chiefs-johnsonsuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns)

One game thats it what a joke.

Larry Johnson: Will Appeal Suspension (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=rotowire-arryohnsonillppealus&prov=rotowire&type=fantasy)

:rolleyes:

[vidae]

Chiefs suspend RB Larry Johnson (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-chiefs-johnsonsuspended&prov=ap&type=lgns)

One game thats it what a joke.

Maybe they want to sit him and cut him at the end of the season. It seems like that might save them more money. I'm all for it as long as he's gone at the end of the year.

[AJHawk50]

And as long as he doesn't get the record, and gone at the end of the season that's my goal.

[Splat]

League, union handling Johnson talks (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/30/johnson/)

The whole thing is a mess a player has never been suspended for comments on Twitter before so it will be interesting to see how it players out not only for LJ but the NFL.

[vidae]

He didn't just say it on twitter.. he screamed it at reporters in the locker room too. He's grasping at straws. He doesn't want to lose his paycheck.

I'm sick of this. Just cut him and get it over with.

[T-RICH49]

chalk one up for Haley and KC

http://twitpic.com/o9qk4

[killxswitch]

Nice sign. I wonder how many losers there are in KC to get rid of.

[CC.SD]

Losers post signs in their locker rooms instead of commanding the respect of their team and confronting problems in person.

[killxswitch]

Losers post signs in their locker rooms instead of commanding the respect of their team and confronting problems in person.

Do you think anything Todd Haley would do or say would change Larry Johnson's mind?

[vidae]

LJ has had problems with all three coaches he's had. It isn't Haley, it's Larry, and it always has been and always will be.

That sign is hilarious.

[CC.SD]

Do you think anything Todd Haley would do or say would change Larry Johnson's mind?

Nope but I think posting a sign like that is weak sauce and will not help him with the other players.

[Splat]

Nope but I think posting a sign like that is weak sauce and will not help him with the other players.

You act like Todd is the first coach to hang a sign in the locker room.