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Giantsfan1080
10-26-2009, 01:56 PM
On Edit: Here's the link. $78 million total. $40 million guaranteed.

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/10276600/Sources:-Cowboys,-Ware-reach-6-year-extension

MetSox17
10-26-2009, 02:06 PM
Holy mother of jesus. But whatever, we needed him signed already :p.

Ravens1991
10-26-2009, 02:12 PM
wow I didnt expect that, w/ the Suggs deal I knew Demarcus would want a really big contract, I didnt think he would get one that big

MetSox17
10-26-2009, 02:14 PM
I think the 40 mil was expected. The 118 might really be a lot of fluff.

bigbluedefense
10-26-2009, 02:14 PM
*waits for the hypocrisy to unfold*

killxswitch
10-26-2009, 02:14 PM
Crap man, that is crazy. He's the best but man... that's so much money for a LB.

MetSox17
10-26-2009, 02:28 PM
*waits for the hypocrisy to unfold*

Chill out troll.

niel89
10-26-2009, 02:30 PM
Man he just got a HUUUGE extension.

http://www.makebuddhahappy.com/crazyinlaws/Questions_files/1009_hardly_boys_investigate.jpg

terribletowel39
10-26-2009, 02:49 PM
Thats $10 million bucks per sack so far this year. Imagine if he had been playing good this whole year....

Splat
10-26-2009, 02:58 PM
It sounds crazy but we all know he won't see all of that money.

TitanHope
10-26-2009, 03:09 PM
Friggin' Jerry Jones, Daniel Snyder, and Al Davis setting precedents for contracts and trades.

*shakes fist at sky*

CC.SD
10-26-2009, 03:17 PM
Wow I really wish I were a better football player. Maybe I could have made it as a kicker...

Flyboy
10-26-2009, 03:36 PM
Wow I really wish I were a better football player.

Right?! If only...

D-Unit
10-26-2009, 03:45 PM
It sounds crazy but we all know he won't see all of that money.
I hope he will.

D-Unit
10-26-2009, 03:48 PM
Thats $10 million bucks per sack so far this year. Imagine if he had been playing good this whole year....
He's been playing on a bum leg all year.

bigbluedefense
10-26-2009, 03:51 PM
i wonder what Merriman is gonna get this offseason. The precedent has been set.

coordinator0
10-26-2009, 03:58 PM
i wonder what Merriman is gonna get this offseason. The precedent has been set.

With the way he's playing right now, nowhere near what Ware got. Probably not even what Suggs got.

bigbluedefense
10-26-2009, 03:59 PM
With the way he's playing right now, nowhere near what Ware got. Probably not even what Suggs got.

he's clearly hurt though. ACLs take 2 years to heal as a pass rusher.

i guarantee you that SD is going to regret letting him go when they do. bc he'll come back next year and stomp out qbs when he's healed up.

MetSox17
10-26-2009, 04:05 PM
I think it has more to do with him being off roids now.

gsorace
10-26-2009, 04:18 PM
he's clearly hurt though. ACLs take 2 years to heal as a pass rusher.

i guarantee you that SD is going to regret letting him go when they do. bc he'll come back next year and stomp out qbs when he's healed up.

He wasn't on Ware's level before he got hurt. I don't see him getting close to what Ware got.

CC.SD
10-26-2009, 04:21 PM
he's clearly hurt though. ACLs take 2 years to heal as a pass rusher.

i guarantee you that SD is going to regret letting him go when they do. bc he'll come back next year and stomp out qbs when he's healed up.

He looked pretty good against KC despite not getting a sack. He forced an interception and beasted a few times. I'm sure he'll get the tag, and try to make his run at a contract next year.

bigbluedefense
10-26-2009, 05:17 PM
I think it has more to do with him being off roids now.

he was off roids before he came back from his suspension in 07. thats not the reason at all.

its just a nice little jab that Merriman haters like to throw around thats not really true.

He wasn't on Ware's level before he got hurt. I don't see him getting close to what Ware got.

i disagree, but we're not going to turn this into one of those debates. this thread is about Ware and his contract.

SenorGato
10-26-2009, 06:31 PM
Considering the amount of money there is in this league, that doesn't bother me.

Ware is my favorite player in the league, and IMO the best all around 3-4 OLB in the league. He's got a chance to go down as the best pass rusher in Cowboys history...but if you look at him as only a pass rusher then you're missing alot.

BlindSite
10-26-2009, 06:36 PM
He's the best player in his position by a good margin and deserves to be paid like it. The 118 is never what he'll see, most of it will be bonuses and stat stuff he's not likely to see unless he has FOMG MVP type years for the next decade.

Still 40million is a nice guaranteed nest egg.

M.O.T.H.
10-26-2009, 07:02 PM
Where is the $118 million coming from?

It $78 million...which would actually be a bargain for Ware. The $40 million is also less than what was expected. At one time we were hearing $45 million plus, in guaranteed money. The contract is on the light side for Ware. It's a good one for the organization.

superman8456
10-26-2009, 07:16 PM
Imagine if he didnt resign with Cowboys, what some teams would be willing to throw at him.

P-L
10-26-2009, 07:32 PM
He wasn't on Ware's level before he got hurt. I don't see him getting close to what Ware got.
Merriman's 2006 season was every bit as good as DeMarcus Ware's 2008 season.

gsorace
10-26-2009, 07:45 PM
Merriman's 2006 season was every bit as good as DeMarcus Ware's 2008 season.

They're equal when it comes to rushing the passer and Ware is better at everything else.

DeCrunkMAn
10-26-2009, 08:06 PM
Drama free and does his job and now gets paid well for being a good overall role model for younger people who watch football

Splat
10-26-2009, 08:16 PM
He looked pretty good against KC.

Who doesn't?

DeCrunkMAn
10-26-2009, 08:26 PM
Who doesn't?

The Redskins?

CC.SD
10-26-2009, 08:26 PM
Who doesn't?

Yah but he was actually moving around like he used to as well.

crisco0710
10-26-2009, 10:49 PM
Ware played throughout most of the season so far while recovering from a broken foot.

Xenos
10-26-2009, 11:47 PM
I think it has more to do with him being off roids now.
See this is one those arguments that makes no sense. He tested positive once in 2006 during the offseason, and subsequently tested negative since. He was tearing it up in 2006 even when he was off the roids as you put it so bluntly. Do people actually still think that his suspension was when he actually tested positive?

aNYtitan
10-26-2009, 11:55 PM
Good move for the cowboys to do this, made him the highest paid non QB for the next 3 years, but doesn't kill there cap after that. Somehow kept him from asking for Fat Al money.

killxswitch
10-27-2009, 07:33 AM
See this is one those arguments that makes no sense. He tested positive once in 2006 during the offseason, and subsequently tested negative since. He was tearing it up in 2006 even when he was off the roids as you put it so bluntly. Do people actually still think that his suspension was when he actually tested positive?

It's not like you lose all the effects of roids in a week. If you keep working out hard you can keep a lot of the muscle mass you gain. I don't know if Merriman's lack of production has more to do with having been injured or being off roids, but your argument doesn't really hold up because going off roids after testing positive doesn't mean he would immediately lose all the benefit he gained from being on them.

edit: and to keep this on topic, Demarcus Ware is a cool cat.

terribletowel39
10-27-2009, 09:48 AM
*Disclaimer - You will think this is homer*

Reading this thread, I don't see how everyone is so certain Ware is the best at his position. I know its not all in stats but here are a few.

Ware has started 70 games so far in his career. He has 321 Tackles, 57.5 sacks, 1 INT, 16 PDef, & 20 FF.

Harrison has started 46 games so far in his career. He has 350 Tackles, 36.5 sacks, 3 INT, 13 PDef, & 18 FF.

Merriman has started 44 games. He has 207 Tackles, 39.5 sacks, 1 INT, 15 PDef, & 8 FF.

Merriman has the better sack to game ratio of the 3. Harrison has the best tackle total by far. Harrison also has the most FF in the shortest amount of games.

Also, Shawne is 25, Ware is 27, & Harrison is 31 and Harrison is having by far the best season so far.

I'm not saying Harrison is the best of the 3. But I don't see how anyone can say Ware is clearly the best.

Also: Congratulations Ware!!!

MetSox17
10-27-2009, 10:46 AM
Pittsburgh LBs: Plug 'n Play

Merriman: What have you done for me lately?

DexterM
10-27-2009, 10:51 AM
I'd pay that for Ware in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd give him a 10% raise to come to the Jets. Hey Dallas, how badly do you want a Bryan Thomas and Vernon Gholston package? ;)

CC.SD
10-27-2009, 12:06 PM
I'd pay that for Ware in a heartbeat. Hell, I'd give him a 10% raise to come to the Jets. Hey Dallas, how badly do you want a Bryan Thomas and Vernon Gholston package? ;)

Wow I had no idea you had that much cash on hand. +rep sugardaddy

DexterM
10-27-2009, 12:26 PM
My mom always told me the only way I'd ever make friends or get popular was if I had a boatload of cash and ho's...

bantx
10-27-2009, 12:37 PM
I knew opening this thread i would see a Merriman and roids in the same sentence, haters.

Giantsfan1080
10-27-2009, 12:49 PM
Where is the $118 million coming from?

It $78 million...which would actually be a bargain for Ware. The $40 million is also less than what was expected. At one time we were hearing $45 million plus, in guaranteed money. The contract is on the light side for Ware. It's a good one for the organization.

I changed it now. When the story first broke they had the number at 118.

terribletowel39
10-27-2009, 12:56 PM
Pittsburgh LBs: Plug 'n Play

Merriman: What have you done for me lately?
Not to start a huge explosive argument but Merriman has recovered from a serious injury. And most people know it takes 2 yrs to fully come back from that type of injury.

And what has Ware done for the Cowboys lately?? He has 4 sacks in 2 games and the other 4 games zilch.

Also, the Plug n' Play is BS. I fail to see how Pittsburgh is a Plug n' Play system. Joey Porter never got more than 10.5 sacks and Harrison is already 2.5 sacks away from that. The most tackles Porter ever had in a season was 88 but rarely did he break 65. I hate that just because we find good players and know how to coach up LBers, that we are a plug n' play system. Its not true. No one has played better than Harrison in LeBeau's system. And thats the truth. Harrison is ROLB going against the LT. Kevin Greene was a LOLB incase someone wanted to bring him up.

And Porter had his best season as a Dolphin just to further scratch the Plug n' Play rumor.

Those just aren't good enough reasons to me. Honestly, I take 2006 Merriman over Ware and Harrison, but I'm plenty happy with Harrison.

bearsfan_51
10-27-2009, 12:58 PM
Drama free and does his job and now gets paid well for being a good overall role model for younger people who watch football
Yeah, I'm sure that's why they are paying him. The Dallas Cowboys are all about role models.

M.O.T.H.
10-27-2009, 01:06 PM
Now we are. :D

Other than Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton, we dont have many prima donnas. Looking around the roster, we have a roster chalk-full of role model type guys, these days. The roster has really been cleaned up when it comes to most of those troubled players or bad seeds. Cant hate on these guys for being a holes or criminals...anymore.

diesel
10-27-2009, 01:33 PM
http://imgrr.com/x/classy.png

How often do you think you would hear about this if he was a Cowboy? Apparently from other reports he broke down the door after she locked him out and as she was dialing 911 he smacked the phone out of her hand.

bearsfan_51
10-27-2009, 01:35 PM
James Harrison is definitely a piece of ****. Only the biggest Steelers homer could disagree with that.

terribletowel39
10-27-2009, 01:40 PM
No one was arguing his actions as a human being and boyfriend. Just his football playing ability. You aren't gonna hear me say Harrison is a good human being.

D-Unit
10-27-2009, 03:16 PM
Not to start a huge explosive argument but Merriman has recovered from a serious injury. And most people know it takes 2 yrs to fully come back from that type of injury.

And what has Ware done for the Cowboys lately?? He has 4 sacks in 2 games and the other 4 games zilch.

Are you going to acknowledge that he's been playing hurt?

terribletowel39
10-27-2009, 03:19 PM
Are you going to acknowledge that he's been playing hurt?
I mean, I guess. I was just using it as an example because MetSox asked what Merriman had done lately (while hurt nonetheless).

wordofi
10-27-2009, 04:44 PM
This is a great signing and a high-reward, low-risk one as well.

MetSox17
10-27-2009, 05:15 PM
I mean, I guess. I was just using it as an example because MetSox asked what Merriman had done lately (while hurt nonetheless).

Ware had been playing hurt at the beginning of the season, and now his performance has been up to his level the past few games. Shawne Merriman has yet to even record a sack this season, no forced fumbles or INTs, and has only 18 tackles, 7 of which were on assists. That's three tackles a game. THREE. Merriman hasn't done anything in a couple of years now, and all of a sudden a team is gonna throw out a contract similar to Ware's? I doubt that.

Xenos
10-27-2009, 07:12 PM
It's not like you lose all the effects of roids in a week. If you keep working out hard you can keep a lot of the muscle mass you gain. I don't know if Merriman's lack of production has more to do with having been injured or being off roids, but your argument doesn't really hold up because going off roids after testing positive doesn't mean he would immediately lose all the benefit he gained from being on them.

edit: and to keep this on topic, Demarcus Ware is a cool cat.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i280/TheMadDJ/Facepalm.jpg

How about a few months instead of a week then? If the roids were still in his system, wouldn't he have tested positive more than once. He's probably the most tested player in the league after that incident, and he has been negative since. And you could argue that he used a masking agent immediately after he tested positive, but the NFL has shown that they can sniff those out as well.

He was doing fine in 2007 too until he got cheapshotted by the Titans. Now he's recovering from a major injury where he had both the ACL and PCL repaired.

Xenos
10-27-2009, 07:16 PM
Ware had been playing hurt at the beginning of the season, and now his performance has been up to his level the past few games. Shawne Merriman has yet to even record a sack this season, no forced fumbles or INTs, and has only 18 tackles, 7 of which were on assists. That's three tackles a game. THREE. Merriman hasn't done anything in a couple of years now, and all of a sudden a team is gonna throw out a contract similar to Ware's? I doubt that.

Ware didn't have the same injury to the extent that Merriman did so your point is kinda moot in that regards. Also Merriman, despite his injury, is still getting pressure on the quarterback. He has a couple of forced interceptions as well noticeably in the Ravens game and the KC game. And he's still getting double teamed.

And it's kinda stupid to bring up the fact that Merriman hasn't done anything in the last couple of years when you use injury as an excuse for Ware. Hello, Merriman got season ending surgery last year to repair both his ACL and PCL. He's not going to come back as soon as Ware. But he's slowly getting there.

Staubach12
10-27-2009, 09:58 PM
YES!!!! This has made my day. Thank you and good night.

Cicero
10-27-2009, 10:07 PM
You can't let a player of his caliber walk, and his contract isn't too extravagant either. Good job Cowboys.

ElectricEye
10-27-2009, 10:22 PM
Merriman's 2006 season was every bit as good as DeMarcus Ware's 2008 season.

Probably better in terms of rushing the passer. He did that in twelve games. Would've gotten well over 20+ sacks if he had played the entire year. Ware's 2008 was better overall though. Ware is easily the more complete player. Merriman completely healthy is a better pass rusher, not by much though.

CC.SD
10-27-2009, 10:41 PM
Probably better in terms of rushing the passer. He did that in twelve games. Would've gotten well over 20+ sacks if he had played the entire year. Ware's 2008 was better overall though. Ware is easily the more complete player. Merriman completely healthy is a better pass rusher, not by much though.

Let the record show that Merriman is actually pretty good in coverage and stellar against the run, and that opinions to the contrary are inaccurate. Not lately, but he's looking alright now.

ElectricEye
10-27-2009, 10:52 PM
Let the record show that Merriman is actually pretty good in coverage and stellar against the run, and that opinions to the contrary are inaccurate. Not lately, but he's looking alright now.

I don't think people are trying to take anything away from Merriman when it's said Ware is a more complete player. Mierriman never was and probably never will be a one dimensional player. He took to playing linebacker very well. But if you're asking them to line up on somebody, I'm taking Ware every time.

CC.SD
10-27-2009, 11:00 PM
I don't think people are trying to take anything away from Merriman when it's said Ware is a more complete player. Mierriman never was and probably never will be a one dimensional player. He took to playing linebacker very well. But if you're asking them to line up on somebody, I'm taking Ware every time.

Yah, I try to stay away from kneejerk defense of Merriman but I do feel like he is largely regarded as just a pass rusher when he really is a total linebacker as well.

LonghornsLegend
10-27-2009, 11:08 PM
I understand the Merriman & Ware arguments are impossible to avoid because of where they are drafted, and I'm not gonna act like I know how long he was using roids, but come on, you can't say stuff like "I'd take 2006 Merriman over _____" or anything resembling that sentence without acknowledging he was juicing that year and obviously reaping benefits from it.


Before? Don't know. After? Probably not. But in 2006 he was using and playing out of his mind, it's not like he sucked, but let's not act it wasn't obviously making him a better player that year. If you want to use a year for the Merriman argument, how about using one where he wasn't tested positive for Roids.


It's not like he started using a week before he got caught, so I fail to see how that's relevant using that season as a measuring stick for how good he is, or how he would of had 20+ sacks.

Xenos
10-28-2009, 01:18 AM
I understand the Merriman & Ware arguments are impossible to avoid because of where they are drafted, and I'm not gonna act like I know how long he was using roids, but come on, you can't say stuff like "I'd take 2006 Merriman over _____" or anything resembling that sentence without acknowledging he was juicing that year and obviously reaping benefits from it.


Before? Don't know. After? Probably not. But in 2006 he was using and playing out of his mind, it's not like he sucked, but let's not act it wasn't obviously making him a better player that year. If you want to use a year for the Merriman argument, how about using one where he wasn't tested positive for Roids.


It's not like he started using a week before he got caught, so I fail to see how that's relevant using that season as a measuring stick for how good he is, or how he would of had 20+ sacks.
We keep using that 2006 season because he tested positive once in August and has not tested positive since or before that incident. That's a fact. Now one has to wonder how long the roids were in his body to actually benefit him if he has been tested frequently since and has not been positive. Does it linger on and continue having an effect several months into the season when he's still beasting out? How about a year later when he's still performing at a high level despite an incompetent DC in Ted Cottrell?

killxswitch
10-28-2009, 09:20 AM
How about a few months instead of a week then? If the roids were still in his system, wouldn't he have tested positive more than once. He's probably the most tested player in the league after that incident, and he has been negative since. And you could argue that he used a masking agent immediately after he tested positive, but the NFL has shown that they can sniff those out as well.

He was doing fine in 2007 too until he got cheapshotted by the Titans. Now he's recovering from a major injury where he had both the ACL and PCL repaired.

Cartoons aside (how old are you?), you're either not paying attention or you don't understand steroids.

I said the EFFECTS of steroids don't wear off immediately. You don't have to have steroids continually coursing through your body to keep a large percentage of the muscle growth you gained while on them. Depending on genetics (and I'm guessing Merriman has some of the best around) and training regimen (who has more opportunities to work out than an NFL linebacker) you could keep those gains for quite a while.

I think you're trying to imply that Merriman's roid use had little or nothing to do with his success, that he just is that good and that the roids didn't do much. If that is true, then why did he take them? I think you want to say that but you realize how lame it would sound, so you're talking around it while implying it the whole time. If a Pats fan tried to say their cheating didn't have any effect on any game, would you buy that? No one cheats just to cheat, they take the risk to benefit themselves.

SenorGato
10-28-2009, 11:39 AM
Pittsburgh LBs: Plug 'n Play

Merriman: What have you done for me lately?

Exactly.

Ware's been a beast since he was a rookie, has a more well rounded game than Merriman, is younger than Harrison, isn't a "system" guy like it can easily be argued that Harrison is, and offers significant future upside and staying ability as 3-4 OLBs tend to age well being a position that relies so much on instinct, intelligence, and experience.

Xenos
10-28-2009, 03:42 PM
Cartoons aside (how old are you?), you're either not paying attention or you don't understand steroids.

I said the EFFECTS of steroids don't wear off immediately. You don't have to have steroids continually coursing through your body to keep a large percentage of the muscle growth you gained while on them. Depending on genetics (and I'm guessing Merriman has some of the best around) and training regimen (who has more opportunities to work out than an NFL linebacker) you could keep those gains for quite a while.

I think you're trying to imply that Merriman's roid use had little or nothing to do with his success, that he just is that good and that the roids didn't do much. If that is true, then why did he take them? I think you want to say that but you realize how lame it would sound, so you're talking around it while implying it the whole time. If a Pats fan tried to say their cheating didn't have any effect on any game, would you buy that? No one cheats just to cheat, they take the risk to benefit themselves.
Which brings it back to Merriman's excuse that it was a tainted supplement. Whether you believe his excuse is another issue. Surprisingly, I've noticed the whole tainted supplement has become an issue now after the incident with Merriman.

Personally, I don't think he took an anabolic steroid intentionally. Especially, one that can be picked up so easily. He was negative before the incident so I don't understand how he could have suddenly become positive and negative subsequently after if he was trying to get an edge. I do think that he is one of the many athletes who fall under the trap of taking supplements without checking to see if the ingredients fall under the NFL guidelines. Just because something is legally sold over the counter at a local drug store doesn't mean that it abides by the NFL rules.

And the "cartoons" are just a facepalm culmination from various animes. I do enjoy the fact that you actually resorted to the age argument for some reason.

killxswitch
10-28-2009, 03:55 PM
It is possible he took some OTC drug that screwed him over. This is where I wish the NFL were more forthcoming about things. You've got to admit the timing between his drug test, injury, and subsequent drop in production is at best unfortunate.

I just thought the cartoon thing was weird and was honestly asking how old you are. Because if I found out you were 14 I probably wouldn't bother continuing this discussion with you. You don't seem like you are though. I've seen the Star Trek facepalm thing so I get that. If you just image searched for facepalm and picked that one then... ok.

Xenos
10-28-2009, 10:04 PM
It is possible he took some OTC drug that screwed him over. This is where I wish the NFL were more forthcoming about things. You've got to admit the timing between his drug test, injury, and subsequent drop in production is at best unfortunate.

I just thought the cartoon thing was weird and was honestly asking how old you are. Because if I found out you were 14 I probably wouldn't bother continuing this discussion with you. You don't seem like you are though. I've seen the Star Trek facepalm thing so I get that. If you just image searched for facepalm and picked that one then... ok.
I'm not 14, but I do question your own age for bringing something like that to use against me. It's freaking exaggeration on facepalms because there's multiple pictures of people doing the same thing over again. Brent had it in his avatar for like a month before the season began. Do you want me to question your age and competence because you have a picture of Jeff Fischer acting silly in your sig?

As for the timing, it's not that big of a coincidence. He continued to dominate even after 2006 until he got screwed over by Mawae and the other Titan oline in that 2007 Titan's game. It's not like it was just a freak accident that happened. They both blindsided him even though the play was away from him. Instead of getting surgery last offseason like he should, he decided he could keep on playing because he didn't want to miss the 2008 season. He ended up missing it anyways.