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EdReedUnstoppable
11-05-2009, 06:33 AM
Hey sorry coordinator but Im leavin for the Ocean until Monday Night and I needed this to go up before I left.

This is the rematch and it's a must win for the Ravens. We all remember how the first matchup went with the Bengals coming in to M&T and sneaking out with a last minute victory. Penalties, and poor offensive play led the Ravens to the late defeat which was a crushing blow to the Ravens. The Ravens defense was unfairly blamed for the loss by home fans, even though they only allowed a great offense 17 points and actually put 7 of the Ravens 14 points on the board with an Ed Reed INT return for a TD.

This game concerns me, and I actually don't get any good feelings about this game. If we play like we did last week then we can win against anyone at any time but I don't believe we can keep that level of play up. The Bengals offense is much more dangerous then the Broncos offense. Cedric Benson is quite a bit better, bigger, and stronger then any RB the Broncos have. Ochocinco always burns up the Ravens, and Coles, Henry, and Caldwell should be giving all of our DBs nightmares all day sunday. And Carson Palmer when healthy and on his game like he is this year is IMO a top 5 QB in the NFL. As for the Bengals defense it is a dominating defense led by Rey "I should be a Raven" Maualuga. I think they can contain our offense and give Flacco some trouble by pressuring him early and often.


Bengals 24
Ravens 10

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
11-05-2009, 10:01 AM
24-10?????? We average over 24 points a game. I think we come into this game with the same mind state as last week but with some attitude for the last minute loss to them at home. I doubt Benson has another good game on us and as long as Mattison keeps up the blitz schemes we should get pressure on Palmer. They don't have Odem so there best pass rusher is gone. I think like the Broncos last week the Bengals come out of their bye week not as hot. I think Ray Rice has another good game as always and we play good defense. The great thing about this game being a division game is that we already lost to them once and we know we can't lose to them again.
I say Ravens win a close one 24-20

trkaline
11-05-2009, 10:59 AM
I say the Ravens win because I am a homer.

PalmerToCJ
11-05-2009, 11:04 AM
I say the Ravens win because I am a homer.

lol That's funny that's why I'm picking the Bengals.

For one, I'm hoping we avoid the mistakes on offense from the last game. Those cost a lot of points. With that said, I'm sure your offense won't be shut down like it was last game either. Should be a completely different game.

This is a hard one to call. It seems like ever since Carson has started we win at your place then you all win at PBS so I'm not oozing with confidence here. I'm sure your pass rush will be way better than it was the first game.

Should be a good game, I can't wait.

lordquas
11-05-2009, 07:59 PM
I believe our defense will prevail and cause some key turnovers.
If the bengals can pound with benson, like they did last time, were done.
Our D needs to play physical and shake Palmer up.
If we hit Palmer and make him force some passes, the Ravens will win.
My Prediction:
38 - 24 Ravens

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-05-2009, 09:48 PM
well, im just gonna agree with what everyones saying, cause there right. We get to Palmer, shake him up as well as shut down the run we win.

On offense, we just need to control Time of Possession and NO TURNOVERS. If we do that, 5 Steven Hauschka FG's can win us the game.

coordinator0
11-05-2009, 11:04 PM
Haha no problem ERU, I should of had it up earlier anyways. This game really intrigues me, because there really isn't a way I can foresee it going. It could be a high scoring game, a dominant defensive game, a blowout, etc. for either team. Of course I will always vote for the Ravens in the poll, but I have no idea how this is going to turn out.

Bengalsrocket
11-05-2009, 11:19 PM
I voted for the Bengals obviously. No one shuts down Cedric (except the Texans) and Palmer is coming off a huge game before the bye.

PalmerToCJ
11-05-2009, 11:55 PM
I really think it's going to be one of those games where you have a close one at the end with one team scoring in the high teens and the other in the low 20's.

If there is heat on Palmer (our Oline has been surprisingly solid as of late) then the weight of the game goes on our defense. For once if you do get to Palmer our defense is solid enough to get stops, they just need breathers. I'm very anxious about this one, huge for both teams.

Oh yeah and GO BRONCOS!

roscoesdad27
11-06-2009, 06:10 AM
our defense got its swagger back last week after enduring (for the first time in history) a media/fan bashing in our off week...our defense has never been called out like that and i think they responded admirably....look for that to continue this week, benson is gonna get blasted.

ravens 20
bengals 10

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-06-2009, 02:31 PM
yeah I hope someone crushes Cedric Benson. (nothing against him) He might be a marked man playing the same defense that he tore apart, taking away there prestigious 39 game streak.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-06-2009, 02:59 PM
yeah I hope someone crushes Cedric Benson. (nothing against him) He might be a marked man playing the same defense that he tore apart, taking away there prestigious 39 game streak.

I'd actually prefer to see less men in the box to stop Benson. Who cares if he rushes over 100 yards. Yeah it doesn't look pretty because the Ravens streak holding guys under 100, but the Ravens need as many men back in coverage to prevent Palmer burning them with Ocho, Chris Henry, and Caldwell.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
11-06-2009, 03:52 PM
I'd actually prefer to see less men in the box to stop Benson. Who cares if he rushes over 100 yards. Yeah it doesn't look pretty because the Ravens streak holding guys under 100, but the Ravens need as many men back in coverage to prevent Palmer burning them with Ocho, Chris Henry, and Caldwell.

I disagree with this. I think we need to bring the pressure. The faster Palmer has to get the ball out of his hand the harder it will be to complete his passes. If we don't give Ocho or any of their receivers to get far down field they can't just toss it up. I say blitz blitz blitz

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-06-2009, 07:50 PM
Why wouldn't you want to stop the run? Benson is the straw that stirs the drink in that offense. If we shut him down, we put Palmer into 3rd and longs and I like our defense's chance in 3rd and long rather than 2nd/3rd and short where he's a nightmare for our DB's.

PalmerToCJ
11-07-2009, 03:41 PM
When the Bengals running game gets going, we are very hard to beat. As a result, Carson gets more time and can exploit teams with the deep ball. Stop the run and bring heat on Carson is essential. If Benson tops 100 again I don't see us losing, with that said I don't expect him to top 100.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-07-2009, 05:32 PM
When the Bengals running game gets going, we are very hard to beat. As a result, Carson gets more time and can exploit teams with the deep ball. Stop the run and bring heat on Carson is essential. If Benson tops 100 again I don't see us losing, with that said I don't expect him to top 100.

yeah, I won't make any score predictions but I will agree with you.

Benson goes over 100 and Palmer has time in the pocket = Bengals win

Ravens shut down Benson and get on Palmer = Ravens win

Also, do you think Andre Smith will get significant playing time? and how loud is it gonna be at Paul Brown stadium with the game almost blacking out again? Are the Bengals really gonna have home field advantage crowd noise?

Bengalsrocket
11-08-2009, 12:18 AM
yeah, I won't make any score predictions but I will agree with you.

Benson goes over 100 and Palmer has time in the pocket = Bengals win

Ravens shut down Benson and get on Palmer = Ravens win

Also, do you think Andre Smith will get significant playing time? and how loud is it gonna be at Paul Brown stadium with the game almost blacking out again? Are the Bengals really gonna have home field advantage crowd noise?

No and no. Andre Smith won't get much playing time. Our offensive line has been good up to this point, and Paul Alexander is an excellent offensive line coach (and assistant head coach) and he's already stated that with how little Smith has been able to get into practices he won't be ready to play.

As for the crowd noise, I just don't think PBS ever gets "that" loud. It's a nice environment, and it certainly can get loud at times, but it's no where near as loud as some of the good stadiums in the league. Maybe because Flacco is a bit younger it might effect him a bit, but I don't think it will change the out come of the game.

PalmerToCJ
11-08-2009, 11:11 AM
I'd say Smith plays in obvious run situations, they have been adding extra Olineman on obvious run downs and I'd say he sees time then.

The crowd noise will have some effect but this has never been the loudest stadium in the league. Last year so many season ticket holders got PO'd that they didn't renew which is why we're close to blackouts every week, then you have people like me who hate Mike Brown and refuse to buy a ticket because of it.

Good luck today fellas, I say that in a "I hope you all play well in a losing effort" kinda of way.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-08-2009, 11:34 AM
Oh damn, No Haloti Ngata. That's gonna hurt, but McKinney and Bannan are solid. Just hope those two guys and Kelly Gregg can make it throughout the whole game.

Ravens1991
11-08-2009, 11:48 AM
crap no Ngata is real bad, that will be big

Ravens1991
11-08-2009, 11:49 AM
This will be a tough game, I wonder if our D can show up w/ the same intensity they had against DEN. But I wonder if CIN will have the same intensity they had against us the 1st game.

Ravens1991
11-08-2009, 12:30 PM
Landry WTF were you doing on that pass interference

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-08-2009, 02:08 PM
Wow, just a pitiful thing to watch defensively. We can't do anything right. Where's that sense of urgency and intensity that we played with aganist Denver? No pressure, no coverage and we can't even stop the run. What the ****!!


The only positive thing I've seen is Lardarius Webb. What a freaking stud. He's actually making the tackles that Fabian would be missing. I think he should be the starter next week whether Washington is hurt or not. Webb is the only one making plays.

edit- and those two picks are on Flacco, because IMO he shouldn't have thrown those two. Clayton and Mason are both 5-11 and were in bad position to make the play. We need to get a deep threat in this offense.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-08-2009, 02:26 PM
Jezz!! What the **** with these refs!! I mean, sure Baltimore has had there share of penalties but that last holding call on Gaither was freakin ********. If that was a hold, then the Bengals o-line has been holding all game long. That was VERY questionable. There have been many no calls as well. These refs are terrible.


also, Baltimore needs to stop freaking comitting penalties on their part.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-08-2009, 02:46 PM
way to kill the momentum Hauschka. Can this kid make a pressure kick? Jesus Lord! Ed Reed and Ray Rice bust their asses to get us back in the game and this kid screws us over again. Any big names at the Kicker position in free agency?

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-08-2009, 03:00 PM
Wow, they call the block in the back on Webb yet Ed Reed was clearly held in his attempt to block the punt, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE REF and NO ******* CALL???? Jesus christ, I'm not one to blame the game on the refs but this is the worst officiating I've ever seen. Absolutely outrageous.

Ravens1991
11-08-2009, 03:38 PM
i agree bull crap calls by the refs, where was that PI before the K that that POS K shanked. God he sucks

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-08-2009, 03:49 PM
i agree bull crap calls by the refs, where was that PI before the K that that POS K shanked. God he sucks

yeah, Jonathan Joseph clearly grabbed Mason's hand on that fade to the endzone yet no call. I'm sure if that was Foxworth or Washington and the opposing WR asked for a flag, no doubt in my mind they wouldn't have called it. I know ref's don't favor teams, but it just seems like the Ravens get flagged for a lot of borderline calls yet they never get the ones that go in favor of them. Something needs to be done, but props to Cincy, they are definitely for real this year. Benson is doing a great job, there o-line is solid, and when Palmer needs to make a play, he does. Above average receiving corp as well, Jezz, can't believe that we still lost to em, if we can't beat Cincy, how the hell can we beat Pittsburgh?

SeanTaylorRIP
11-08-2009, 03:50 PM
Wow, they call the block in the back on Webb yet Ed Reed was clearly held in his attempt to block the punt, RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE REF and NO ******* CALL???? Jesus christ, I'm not one to blame the game on the refs but this is the worst officiating I've ever seen. Absolutely outrageous.

The Ravens have been vitctim of a lot worse calls. Just an absolute terrible showing by the Ravens. Can't stop the run. Can't sack the QB. Can't cover in the back end of the secondary. And the offense just can't handle pressure.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-08-2009, 05:06 PM
The Ravens have been vitctim of a lot worse calls. Just an absolute terrible showing by the Ravens. Can't stop the run. Can't sack the QB. Can't cover in the back end of the secondary. And the offense just can't handle pressure.

yeah, that strategy they used against Denver ("keep everything in front of you and make solid tackles without allowing YAC") doesn't work against teams that can actually go deep on ya. Teams are continuing to abuse the Ravens vertically and even when the opposing QB overthrows the WR or we play good coverage we still manage to get called for a borderline pass interference. It's hard to watch cause whenever our offense gets one of those calls, it's never called. Something is clearly wrong with the team as a whole but I just can't put it all on one thing. Penalties, defense giving up big plays, unbalanced offensive attack, poor tackling, poor coverage. It better get fixed ASAP, cause we have NO room for error. We need to beat Pittsburgh at least once, beat Green Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, and Cleveland to get to 10-6, any fluke games and no playoffs. WE MUST beat the teams we are capable of beating. Losing to Indy and Pittsburgh(once) won't hurt as more than losing to the other teams.

Ravens1991
11-08-2009, 06:25 PM
-Hauska has to go he sucks
-we had the same offensive gameplan that we did in the 1st game and it was horrible.
-we are not playing like a playoff team


-Lardarius Webb looked like an extra LB out there w/ run support. he is a beast.

PalmerToCJ
11-08-2009, 08:46 PM
We definitely were on the favorable side of the penalties, I won't deny that.

Really surprised with the lack of pressure on Carson today but you have to wonder what it would've been had Ngata been able to play.

Will be rooting for you all from here on out, you need to take it to the Steelers.

Ravens1991
11-08-2009, 08:58 PM
yea I know traditionally you shouldnt root for your divisional opponents but I like Marvin Lewis and Ocho Cinco. If worst comes to worst I will root for you guys lol.


I dont think Ngata would have helped all that much in the pass rush, the D looked like the D that played in every game except the broncoes game.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-08-2009, 09:15 PM
We definitely were on the favorable side of the penalties, I won't deny that.

Really surprised with the lack of pressure on Carson today but you have to wonder what it would've been had Ngata been able to play.

Will be rooting for you all from here on out, you need to take it to the Steelers.

Ngata is a dominate force in the run game, he is no slouch at rushing the passer either but that isn't what he is known for. I don't think him not playing had much of an affect, I think the Bengal o-line did a great job picking up the Raven blitzes but it's w/e. the games over. And yeah, I doubt we'll come close to sweeping Pittsburgh, I think we are gonna have it tough beating them once, whether its at home or away. We just aren't playing good consistent football right now.

Hines
11-08-2009, 10:55 PM
I might now be convinced that the Bengals are for real.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2009, 09:06 AM
The Bengals shut down Flacco twice this year, they are for real. We already know they have a passing game and one of the league's best backs.

trkaline
11-09-2009, 10:54 AM
Hauska should die...and I want my defense back...

Ravens1991
11-09-2009, 02:10 PM
yea if Hauscka makes a easy kick we would be playing w/ only needing a touchdown to score, not a miracle play and a TD. It would have completly changed up our play calling.

ThePudge
11-09-2009, 02:37 PM
yea if Hauscka makes a easy kick we would be playing w/ only needing a touchdown to score, not a miracle play and a TD. It would have completly changed up our play calling.

I'm not sure that Joe Screen Pass can move down the field in a hurry against our defense anyway, something about the striped helmets seem to disorient him. He threw a good three or four balls through the hands of Leon Hall, Chris Crocker, Chinedum Ndukwe, and later on, Brandon Johnson. I loved every time he'd look downfield, because I'm honestly not sold he has anything against our defense except a screen pass.

So, the more urgent the Ravens offense, the better.

Watching the game, the Ravens were absolutely bottled up and outplayed in every facet. It's hard for me to say the Ravens had a chance at winning, even if the field goal had gone in. Their offense was absolutely enemic down the field, with (once again..) most of their passing yards coming from screen passes to Rice and McClain.

Take away the final play, and the Ravens were out-gained by a whopping 369 to 180. Not trying to be the dick here, I just don't see any area in which the Ravens played better than the Bengals and I can't look at it as woulda/coulda/shoulda.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
11-09-2009, 03:42 PM
I'm not sure that Joe Screen Pass can move down the field in a hurry against our defense anyway, something about the striped helmets seem to disorient him. He threw a good three or four balls through the hands of Leon Hall, Chris Crocker, Chinedum Ndukwe, and later on, Brandon Johnson. I loved every time he'd look downfield, because I'm honestly not sold he has anything against our defense except a screen pass.

So, the more urgent the Ravens offense, the better.

Watching the game, the Ravens were absolutely bottled up and outplayed in every facet. It's hard for me to say the Ravens had a chance at winning, even if the field goal had gone in. Their offense was absolutely enemic down the field, with (once again..) most of their passing yards coming from screen passes to Rice and McClain.

Take away the final play, and the Ravens were out-gained by a whopping 369 to 180. Not trying to be the dick here, I just don't see any area in which the Ravens played better than the Bengals and I can't look at it as woulda/coulda/shoulda.



The Bengals did play better in every aspect of the game but you can't act like our momentum wasn't lost after that missed FG. One TD is easier to get than 2 scores. If we make that field goal and you guys didn't score after getting 17 so we would of planned for getting one more TD instead of having to rush to get 2 scores. Bengals are a legit team and looks like we are just going to have to try to be perfect from here on out or just not make the playoffs. Hopefully my Wizards have a better season.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-09-2009, 03:43 PM
I'm not sure that Joe Screen Pass can move down the field in a hurry against our defense anyway, something about the striped helmets seem to disorient him. He threw a good three or four balls through the hands of Leon Hall, Chris Crocker, Chinedum Ndukwe, and later on, Brandon Johnson. I loved every time he'd look downfield, because I'm honestly not sold he has anything against our defense except a screen pass.

So, the more urgent the Ravens offense, the better.

Watching the game, the Ravens were absolutely bottled up and outplayed in every facet. It's hard for me to say the Ravens had a chance at winning, even if the field goal had gone in. Their offense was absolutely enemic down the field, with (once again..) most of their passing yards coming from screen passes to Rice and McClain.

Take away the final play, and the Ravens were out-gained by a whopping 369 to 180. Not trying to be the dick here, I just don't see any area in which the Ravens played better than the Bengals and I can't look at it as woulda/coulda/shoulda.

true, all three sides of the ball struggled for the Ravens. We didn't do anything right and if that is the best our offense can play at, then there is no chance we beat Pittsburgh which really throws us out of Wildcard contention as well. Especially with teams like Houston, Miami, San Diego/Denver, Pittsburgh/Cincinnati all will be contending for those two spots. I think we beat Detroit, Cleveland, Oakland, Chicago and lose to Pittsburgh twice, lose to Indy as well as Green Bay and end up 8-8 unless our defense can get back to a dominate force, I think 8-8 is the best that will happen.

Hines
11-09-2009, 04:40 PM
Why didn't Cameron give the ball in Rice's hands more? I know he had 8 catches, but didn't he have like 12 carries? For your best offensive playmaker, you need the ball in his hands more than what the Ravens gave him yesterday.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2009, 05:00 PM
Well it doesn't help you when Bengals dominate Time of Possession 40:00 to 20:00. Also most of the passing plays were designed screen options to Rice. He really got 20 touches and more looks.

EdReedUnstoppable
11-09-2009, 05:35 PM
24-10?????? We average over 24 points a game. I think we come into this game with the same mind state as last week but with some attitude for the last minute loss to them at home. I doubt Benson has another good game on us and as long as Mattison keeps up the blitz schemes we should get pressure on Palmer. They don't have Odem so there best pass rusher is gone. I think like the Broncos last week the Bengals come out of their bye week not as hot. I think Ray Rice has another good game as always and we play good defense. The great thing about this game being a division game is that we already lost to them once and we know we can't lose to them again.
I say Ravens win a close one 24-20

yeah i must be crazy or something......?

Ravens1991
11-09-2009, 05:57 PM
Why didn't Cameron give the ball in Rice's hands more? I know he had 8 catches, but didn't he have like 12 carries? For your best offensive playmaker, you need the ball in his hands more than what the Ravens gave him yesterday.

I think Cam wants a guns a blazing offense when Flacco throws for 4,000 yards and 30 TDs. I wish we would go back to the 3 headed monster it was definetly more effective then this pass happy crap.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-09-2009, 07:22 PM
I think Cam wants a guns a blazing offense when Flacco throws for 4,000 yards and 30 TDs. I wish we would go back to the 3 headed monster it was definetly more effective then this pass happy crap.

It's not the offense dude, remember back to last season, our defense could actually stop teams and get them off the field? This year our defense is letting opponents drive down the field and score on majority of there possessions. Our offense can win games for us but only if our defense can do their part as well. This offense is good but Flacco is still in his 2nd year, we have no vertical/explosive pass game or play makers in the WR corp so they can't be counted on to carry this team to victory, we need a solid showing from both sides of the ball. If we can ever achieve that, then we are Super Bowl contenders.

Ravens1991
11-09-2009, 07:25 PM
I agree we have no one who can go deep and thats why I would prefer we went back to last years O. but I agree we need this D to get its act together, to bad it wont happen

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-09-2009, 08:02 PM
I agree we have no one who can go deep and thats why I would prefer we went back to last years O. but I agree we need this D to get its act together, to bad it wont happen

yeah, but how can we go back to our power offense scheme if our defense can't stop a team from scoring on almost every drive.

Ravens1991
11-09-2009, 08:05 PM
control the TOP, tire there D out then use it to set up the pass./

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2009, 08:23 PM
Ah if only Matt Stover was still a Raven. At the very least the Vikings game would have been a W.

Ravens1991
11-09-2009, 08:50 PM
also Graham Gano is doing well in the UFL, yes its a inferior league but kicking field goals is kicking field goals.

SeanTaylorRIP
11-09-2009, 08:51 PM
Well he sucked it big time in TC and the preseason so you can't fault the FO for letting him go.

PalmerToCJ
11-09-2009, 09:25 PM
I was wondering why the team had moved so far away from the run game after the success from last year.

How much do you think losing Rex Ryan has impacted the defense or is it mostly personnel?

Ravens1991
11-09-2009, 09:40 PM
Well he sucked it big time in TC and the preseason so you can't fault the FO for letting him go.

Hauscka sucked in TC and pre-season and the NFL and according to Harbaugh "He can be a great NFL kicker"

Ravens1991
11-09-2009, 09:42 PM
I was wondering why the team had moved so far away from the run game after the success from last year.

How much do you think losing Rex Ryan has impacted the defense or is it mostly personnel?



I wonder that every day.


And I feel Ryan is missing a lot. Our current schemes telegrraph who is blitzing the rare time we actually blitz.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-10-2009, 02:58 PM
control the TOP, tire there D out then use it to set up the pass./

if you want to do that offensively, you need an elite defense or at least one that can prevent teams from scoring on almost every drive. No sense in running the ball and controlling TOP when your down 14-0. The defense needs to pick up the slack, it's not on the offense.

dcarey20
11-10-2009, 03:43 PM
One of the worst efforts I've ever seen in every aspect of the game.

coordinator0
11-10-2009, 04:01 PM
if you want to do that offensively, you need an elite defense or at least one that can prevent teams from scoring on almost every drive. No sense in running the ball and controlling TOP when your down 14-0. The defense needs to pick up the slack, it's not on the offense.

Exactly. Really the defense controls the way our offense plays. I'm sure if we were behind in games last year we would have thrown it a lot more, but our defense kept it close and we were able to score on the ground. Of course the offense does have it's problems but I would say that the defense is the main culprit here.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-10-2009, 04:12 PM
Exactly. Really the defense controls the way our offense plays. I'm sure if we were behind in games last year we would have thrown it a lot more, but our defense kept it close and we were able to score on the ground. Of course the offense does have it's problems but I would say that the defense is the main culprit here.

yeah, I'm not putting all the blame on the defense either, I've been saying it all year. the offense isn't good enough to carry the team, it can win games for us, but not without the help of the defense. It's that simple, if the team that took the field against the Broncos can show up against Pittsburgh and Indianapolis, then we have a legitiment chance at winning both those games. If we play like we did last week, then we have no chance.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-10-2009, 04:18 PM
also this just in -

Dwan Edwards has surpassed Trevor Pryce on the depth chart. He will start against Cleveland. I think Pryce will still be a big part of the rotation.

My question is, if they put Edwards over Pryce, then why the hell aren't they putting Lardarius Webb over Fabian Washington??

Ravens1991
11-10-2009, 05:03 PM
that is a very good question, but I admit Edwards has went from a mega bust to a solid starter.

Also the more I thought over it I think its just we are changing up the offensive and defensive schemes this season so there will be adjustments, it is just bad timing because of the win now situation we are in.

coordinator0
11-10-2009, 06:10 PM
that is a very good question, but I admit Edwards has went from a mega bust to a solid starter.

Also the more I thought over it I think its just we are changing up the offensive and defensive schemes this season so there will be adjustments, it is just bad timing because of the win now situation we are in.

Yeah, we are a team in transition right now. Not sure if we're really in a win now mode though, overall our team is pretty young.

Ravens1991
11-10-2009, 06:19 PM
our 2 best players Ray and Reed can retire any season now, thats what I mean by win now.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-10-2009, 06:25 PM
Does anyone else think Zbikowski should get more playing time over Landry, or hell, even start? I mean that guy can lay the freakin' wood and tackle like a linebacker, plus he can't be any worse than Landry in pass coverage. We need to make changes, and make em fast.

Ravens1991
11-10-2009, 06:33 PM
i doubt we make it 2 the playoffs so it will probably be 2 late. but I agree I love Zbikowski the guy is the definition of a bad ass, I wouldnt mind him playing at all. Lets see Hines Ward pull his sh!t when Zbi is back there :)

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-10-2009, 08:40 PM
i doubt we make it 2 the playoffs so it will probably be 2 late. but I agree I love Zbikowski the guy is the definition of a bad ass, I wouldnt mind him playing at all. Lets see Hines Ward pull his sh!t when Zbi is back there :)

yeah, I love what he brings to the table absolute badass. I know a lot of us Raven fans dread the day Reed retires but I think a backfield with Nakamura and Zbikowski would be intriguing to say the least. Both were mid round draft picks and have sat and learned behind one of the best safeties to ever play the game. I hope they can pan out.

Ravens1991
11-10-2009, 10:02 PM
I agree I see that as our Safety combo for the future.


Also I am starting to wonder if Harbuagh is 2 buddy buddy w/ Mattison so he wont call mattison out on his horrible gameplans and get it to change.

dcarey20
11-11-2009, 10:18 AM
I would obviously agree with the notion that Mattison is a significant downgrade from Rex Ryan, and that's a small part of the reason for why our defense has gone downhill. I have been frustrated with him at times as well, but there are many other things to blame before you blame Mattison. And regarding the notion that Harbaugh is too "buddy buddy" with him because he isn't calling him out, I don't know about that. You won't find any head coach that's going to publicly call out his defensive coordinator for his gameplan.

Our cornerbacks from top to bottom are arguably the worst in the league. Foxworth/Washington aren't McAlister/Rolle.

With that, Tavares Gooden isn't Bart Scott, Terrell Suggs is underperforming, Dawan Landry forgot how to play, and Kelly Gregg/Trevor Pryce are showing their age.

So while I think you can put some blame on Mattison, I think he's a very small part of the problem. The bottom line is that the players on D just aren't performing. They're overmatched against offenses like the Bengals and Vikings and Patriots. And I cringe at the thought of the Colts and the Steelers. Peyton carves us up even when our defense is near the top of the league, so this year should only be worse. And the Steelers offense is a terrible matchup for us. We have trouble putting pressure on quarterbacks with no mobility, so Ben Roethlisberger will be this team's worst nightmare.

Ravens1991
11-11-2009, 10:26 AM
I agree Foxworth/Washington are not Cmac/Rolle of 2006 but I think Foxworth is a improvement over Rolle of last year. It doesnt help them at all that Mattison plays a prevent system where he has the CBs play off and they dont get any pressure on the QB

EdReedUnstoppable
11-11-2009, 12:02 PM
that is a very good question, but I admit Edwards has went from a mega bust to a solid starter.

Also the more I thought over it I think its just we are changing up the offensive and defensive schemes this season so there will be adjustments, it is just bad timing because of the win now situation we are in.

I disagree completely, he is not a solid starter at all. He is a solid depth guy, if he's your starting end then you have serious problems on your D which we do.

Its time for an overhaul of the team, but Ozzie the genious wont believe this and will just keep trying to fill the holes with awful 2nd rd picks and old free agents. Its like putting a band-aid over cancer it wont work. There are 3 parts of this team to keep intact QB/RB/OL after that blow it up and start fresh because we need it badly. Everyone who is not in those 3 categories, and not named Ngata, is expendable. I love Ed Reed, absolutely love him, but if we could get the Raiders or some team like that in the Top 15 of the draft to give us a 1st bye bye Ed, He's not the player he once was and the end of his career is 2 maybe 3 years away. Ray can go duck the media after a loss somewhere else, and we need to do everything we can to find a team dumb enough to take that monster Suggs contract off our hands. Let all of our wide receivers go, let D Will go somewhere else and get a chance and dominate like he will. Let Mason go and be a selfish player for some other team, let Clayton go and be a 400 yard a year receiver somewhere else. If Kelley Washington wants to be a Raven again next year on the very cheap I'd bring him back but if not on the extreme cheap let him walk. As for the D Line, other than Ngata let em all walk, Bannan is not the player he was last year, Trevor seems to be slowing down, Kelly Gregg is so beyond awful this year its not even funny. We're in trouble and it's not just this year, but if it's done right it could only take next year and maybe only the following year to get us right back to being a top tier team.

START OVER! Stop trying the same thing year after year and watching it not work.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-11-2009, 01:59 PM
I agree Foxworth/Washington are not Cmac/Rolle of 2006 but I think Foxworth is a improvement over Rolle of last year. It doesnt help them at all that Mattison plays a prevent system where he has the CBs play off and they dont get any pressure on the QB

exactly. Mattison isn't calling the right plays, and our players on the field just aren't performing like they normally do. You gatta blame both sides. Whenever, Mattison dials up the blitz, its either not getting to the QB fast enough or it is getting pick up by the opposing o-line. If we can get a legitimate pass rush, then our defense as a whole improves by leaps and bounds. Its simple -

Pass rush = QB must think faster = hurried throws = incompletions or interceptions or sacks

I just don't understand why players like Paul Kruger aren't even dressing out for games when our pass rush is struggling this much. I say at the very least, give him an audition during the Cleveland game, if we get up early and let see what Kruger can do. It won't hurt.

Ravens1991
11-11-2009, 02:12 PM
I agree the more I think about it the more I think the pass rush can be as good as it has ever been. Edwards has improved a lot, Johnson is becoming a very very good LB and Krueger Barnes McClain etc. would be great situational pass rushers. If we had Ryan scheme this pass rush could be legit.

EdReedUnstoppable
11-11-2009, 03:59 PM
exactly. Mattison isn't calling the right plays, and our players on the field just aren't performing like they normally do. You gatta blame both sides. Whenever, Mattison dials up the blitz, its either not getting to the QB fast enough or it is getting pick up by the opposing o-line. If we can get a legitimate pass rush, then our defense as a whole improves by leaps and bounds. Its simple -

Pass rush = QB must think faster = hurried throws = incompletions or interceptions or sacks

I just don't understand why players like Paul Kruger aren't even dressing out for games when our pass rush is struggling this much. I say at the very least, give him an audition during the Cleveland game, if we get up early and let see what Kruger can do. It won't hurt.

I'd love to see them give Kruger a shot, but he really adds nothing at all to the pass rush. He is the worst pick in the history of the Baltimore Ravens, and we picked Derek Abney so thats saying something.

EdReedUnstoppable
11-11-2009, 03:59 PM
Oh and RWO **** off, you don't like what I got to say thats fine but dont be a little ***** about it and try to hide in rep comments with your ******** ******.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-11-2009, 04:29 PM
I'd love to see them give Kruger a shot, but he really adds nothing at all to the pass rush. He is the worst pick in the history of the Baltimore Ravens, and we picked Derek Abney so thats saying something.

I don't think you can say that about Kruger. I mean SO MANY rookies sit out there first year and there are so many reasons. There's no way he's the worst draft pick in Raven history when he's never been allowed to play a single down in the NFL. Give him a year or two before you say stuff like that. Guy's like Dan Cody or Travis Taylor are more deserving of that title.

EdReedUnstoppable
11-11-2009, 04:32 PM
I don't think you can say that about Kruger. I mean SO MANY rookies sit out there first year and there are so many reasons. There's no way he's the worst draft pick in Raven history when he's never been allowed to play a single down in the NFL. Give him a year or two before you say stuff like that. Guy's like Dan Cody or Travis Taylor are more deserving of that title.

Thats true there are quite a few bad picks by Ozzie to choose from, Kruger is just so bad because of who we could have had instead of that heap of garbage.

BmoreBlackByrdz
11-11-2009, 05:52 PM
Thats true there are quite a few bad picks by Ozzie to choose from, Kruger is just so bad because of who we could have had instead of that heap of garbage.

hey, its not his fault he's not on the field, the coaches are the ones keeping him off the field. Hell, if I had any say, I'd make Edgar Jones inactive (what the hell does he even do for us? TE/DE please, this guy is worthless at both) and activate Kruger.