Brady Quinn starting...again

[The Unseen]

Brady Quinn will be starting against the Ravens, via ESPN ticker.

[ElectricEye]

Good. Derek Anderson was having one of the worst sustained seasons as a passer I've ever seen.

[bigbluedefense]

This begs the question....was his benching about the incentives in Quinn's contract after all?

[vidae]

Poor Quinn.

[Gay Ork Wang]

This begs the question....was his benching about the incentives in Quinn's contract after all?
i think it is.

[bigbluedefense]

i think it is.

i think so too.

I see no other logical reason for Andersen to start that long.

[Gay Ork Wang]

it is a smart buisness move

a really really really bad message to the team and players

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Greatest Monday night football game ever.

[bigbluedefense]

i think overall, its a terrible move. bc it sends the message to your players that the organization is not all about winning, and that its more concerned about making money. if the organization is more concerned about money than winning, then why should the players feel any differently? thats a bad message to send to a lockerroom.

the great organizations let the money side take care of itself and do whatever is in the best interest of the players and team to go out and win games.


this is why the Browns are the Browns.

[Giantsfan1080]

Winning brings in more money.

[General Zod]

I feel sorry for Quinn in a way. That offense is terrible. Nobody will be able to get open for him. So he'll just take a sack. And then ppl will be calling for Anderson again and Brady will continue to be labeled a bust.

[bigbluedefense]

Winning brings in more money.

exactly.

money shouldn't interfere with football operations. every team in the league makes money, they should do everything they can to put a competitive team on the field. not jeopardize the quality of your team for a couple of extra bucks.

and potentially destroy any promise your developing qb had in the process. its just a terrible decision to make.

[Shiver]

I feel sorry for Cleveland, they once had one of the great franchises in all of football.

[ThePudge]

Great. Get ready to hear the commentators criticism of Eric Mangini after Quinn struggles against Baltimore's defense. They still bring the blitz, they'll still get to Quinn enough to make plays. The Browns offense under Brady Quinn features a lot of dink-and-dunk to the short flats and the short middle, so get ready to see an active game by the Ravens linebackers. This is also a must-win game for a Baltimore team that needs to kick it into high gear to make a playoff run.

Get ready for this quarterback debate to continue. Personally, I play Anderson, don't diminish Quinn's trade value (3rd-4th to a QB needy team) and draft a quarterback with my Top 3 pick. I just don't think Quinn has a chance to develop and flourish under Mangini.

[E-Man]

I don't get the purpose of keeping him on the bench that long in the first place. Whether your regime picked him first or not, the money is invested in him so you have to see what you got. It's not like Cleveland was going anywhere. Like it was said before in this thread, this seems like it's more about money, and apparently the Browns forgot that fans, who spend their money, actually like to watch the team win.

[CC.SD]

How to develop and nurture quarterbacks, by Eric Mangini.

We need to bring back the 'books that would never be written' thread.

[Brent]

It's been done, CC.

[ThePudge]

i think so too.

I see no other logical reason for Andersen to start that long.

The Browns really were just as bad under Quinn. Fans criticized the conservative play-calling but didn't realize it was because of Brady Quinn's comfortability (or lack of) in the pocket. In two and a half games, Quinn took ten sacks. In the twenty two quarters since, Anderson (the more methodical, less mobile of the two) has taken nine sacks. In college, Quinn would pass too much attention to pressure and got happy feet in the pocket, remarkably it's been the exact same here in the NFL.

I've had the distinct.....experience....of watching every Browns game (except Buffalo and Minnesota). Neither of these Quarterbacks can play for this team and succeed, I think that much is fact. When Mangini benched Quinn in favor of Derek Anderson in the second half of the Baltimore game in Week 3, he wasn't thinking contract incentives, he was thinking about how he could open up this offense and provide some life.

The next week, Cincinnati came to town, and Derek Anderson looked more comfortable and stable than any Browns QB has all year to this day. It looked as if this was just a better team with Anderson, a more experienced, confident, and stronger armed passer. He made his mistakes, but kept the Browns close to the Bengals en route to an overtime loss. Still, more positives came out of that came than any, as the offense had its' best showing and a connection appeared to have been born between Anderson and Mohamed Massaquoi. This had the team confident enough to get rid of talented headache receiver Braylon Edwards. The next week, Anderson and the passing game had their worst showing of the year in Buffalo, but the team won. In past weeks against Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and Chicago nothing has worked and Mangini has kept Quinn on the sidelines as a sign of patience and stability. Now it's clear to him that Anderson can't be giving the Browns their best chance to win and you might as well see what you have in the young arm of Brady Quinn.

This isn't the owner/coach looking for ways to avoid paying their players, it is the team looking at two equally bad options and going back and forth, waffling on which is better for the team. Barring injury, however, I'd expect that Quinn starts the rest of the year... even if that means an 0-8 finish. It's a hard subject to place time and interest into as a football fan, as it really couldn't matter less which quarterback plays in reality. Still, I think the fans are being overly critical of the organization, rather than starting at the core, the team itself.

[vikes_28]

Quinn needs to be traded to a team with some promise. The Vikings say hi. You can't throw a rookie QB on a team that doesn't have anything to throw to, or anything to protect him. If a QB doesn't have a line to protect them, or a WR to throw to, then yeah, they will be labeled a bust in no time at all. Building a team starts with the offensive line. Draft a quality Left Tackle. Then go to the Running Back, then Wide Receiver. After those things are done, draft a QB. You can't build around ONLY a QB.

[BmoreBlackByrdz]

Great. Get ready to hear the commentators criticism of Eric Mangini after Quinn struggles against Baltimore's defense. They still bring the blitz, they'll still get to Quinn enough to make plays. The Browns offense under Brady Quinn features a lot of dink-and-dunk to the short flats and the short middle, so get ready to see an active game by the Ravens linebackers. This is also a must-win game for a Baltimore team that needs to kick it into high gear to make a playoff run.

Get ready for this quarterback debate to continue. Personally, I play Anderson, don't diminish Quinn's trade value (3rd-4th to a QB needy team) and draft a quarterback with my Top 3 pick. I just don't think Quinn has a chance to develop and flourish under Mangini.

yeah, Baltimore's defense dominates dink-and-dunk offensive teams. (i.e Denver Bronco game) so that defense should have a great game regardless of whether its Quinn or Anderson. Only way Cleveland has a chance to beat Baltimore is to go vertical on there defense, and thus far, Quinn hasn't show the confidence to do so. Baltimore should take this game easily.

[Babylon]

Quinn needs to be traded to a team with some promise. The Vikings say hi. You can't throw a rookie QB on a team that doesn't have anything to throw to, or anything to protect him. If a QB doesn't have a line to protect them, or a WR to throw to, then yeah, they will be labeled a bust in no time at all. Building a team starts with the offensive line. Draft a quality Left Tackle. Then go to the Running Back, then Wide Receiver. After those things are done, draft a QB. You can't build around ONLY a QB.

Who are we talking about? Quinn isnt a rookie QB and their LT is a pro bowler.

[ThePudge]

Who are we talking about? Quinn isnt a rookie QB and their LT is a pro bowler.

And their LG, Eric Steinbach, is a heck of a player. Supposedly, TE Robert Royal is a terrific blocker, though he hasn't stood out for any reason besides his drops. Quinn's feet are far too active, in the Ryan Fitzpatrick mold. His lack of courage in the pocket and lack of patience has crippled this team's efforts to open up the offense. I believe with the Browns QB dilemma it's more the players (Quinn and Anderson), not as much the organization and situation.

The play-calling has been predictable in Cleveland, but that's been mainly because they can't rely on their quarterback situation. 1st Down, Jamal Lewis 2 yard run. 2nd Down, Jamal Lewis, 3 yard run. 3rd Down, Incomplete. Throw a Josh Cribbs wildcat look in and an interception here and there and you pretty much have the Browns figured out.

People think the only way to go is up, but I'm not sure. With Braylon Edwards out the door, Robert Royal's struggles on the field and with injuries, the development curve of rookies Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, this passing game may it's darkest days. Dates loom against Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and San Diego.

[WinslowBodden]

I hope he does well but I could see our dip **** receivers dropping about half the passes and our right side of the line pretending that the DL are bulls.

[vikes_28]

Who are we talking about? Quinn isnt a rookie QB and their LT is a pro bowler.

Yeah, that's one of 4 more pieces they need to succeed. Quinn doesn't have any weapons. Jamaal Lewis is not a weapon anymore.

[Babylon]

And their LG, Eric Steinbach, is a heck of a player. Supposedly, TE Robert Royal is a terrific blocker, though he hasn't stood out for any reason besides his drops. Quinn's feet are far too active, in the Ryan Fitzpatrick mold. His lack of courage in the pocket and lack of patience has crippled this team's efforts to open up the offense. I believe with the Browns QB dilemma it's more the players (Quinn and Anderson), not as much the organization and situation.

The play-calling has been predictable in Cleveland, but that's been mainly because they can't rely on their quarterback situation. 1st Down, Jamal Lewis 2 yard run. 2nd Down, Jamal Lewis, 3 yard run. 3rd Down, Incomplete. Throw a Josh Cribbs wildcat look in and an interception here and there and you pretty much have the Browns figured out.

People think the only way to go is up, but I'm not sure. With Braylon Edwards out the door, Robert Royal's struggles on the field and with injuries, the development curve of rookies Brian Robiskie and Mohamed Massaquoi, this passing game may it's darkest days. Dates loom against Baltimore, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, and San Diego.

I like Alex Mack too. their young receivers are pretty good but they probably need a stud wideout. Thing with Quinn is they probably need to see what they have going into the next draft. If someone like a Holmgren takes over he might want to bring his own QB in. (not necessarily a rookie QB either).

[HawkeyeFan]

Wasn't Derek Anderson good a few years ago?

[ThePudge]

I like Alex Mack too. their young receivers are pretty good but they probably need a stud wideout. Thing with Quinn is they probably need to see what they have going into the next draft. If someone like a Holmgren takes over he might want to bring his own QB in. (not necessarily a rookie QB either).

I like Alex Mack, but he's not performing at an AFC North level yet. Mack was perceived by many to be a near perfect Center prospect coming out of Cal, but there were a few question marks coming out of college that have been on display in the NFL. Mack's not a grinder in the run game, he's not a natural drive blocker, and he ends up on the ground too often.

Mack's development can be defined as normal or about what you could reasonably expect from a rookie in the AFC North. Casey Hampton, Domata Peko, and Kelly Gregg are capable of giving this guy fits for a couple years. Hampton and Gregg, specifically, are good matchups against Mack as they line up right on top of him and are players that rely on terrific leverage and strength. Try to keep an eye on him this Monday against Gregg.

Right now I'd list Mack as a liability on that line, but it's obviously not a hole for the future as he should develop into an upper-tier interior lineman. Bengals' first year starter Kyle Cook has outperformed Mack by a good margin in the same division and it's not all too hard to see why. There are certain traits a Center must have in the AFC North with three 3-4 defenses and the Bengals #2 rush defense. Toughness, tenacity, strength, and balance are perhaps the four most important factors for an AFC North Center and Mack has yet to handle the more physical part of the game. He has the intangibles and physical tools necessary to become that kind of Center, but must adjust to a different type of football than the Pac-10 threw at him.

Like most of the Browns team, we have to sit back and say just give it time.

[DeepThreat]

I'm tired of the people on here pretending that Quinn is some stud who's being held back by a bad team. That's not the case. Quinn sucks.

[Babylon]

I'm tired of the people on here pretending that Quinn is some stud who's being held back by a bad team. That's not the case. Quinn sucks.

Havent seen that talk in this thread, possibly just the opposite. I think you need to play him, see what he can or cant do and go forward next spring with a plan. Quinn is a big strong guy with smarts and a pretty decent arm. He really doesnt have much to throw to in terms of talent and experience so i guess that will seem to be his fault, such is the nature of the position.

[brat316]

Quinn sucks, he is mr. check down, and looks only for wide open WR, he can't anticipate WR getting open.

You could say his WR suck if they always dropped passes, or could never ever get open.

[WinslowBodden]

Quinn sucks, he is mr. check down, and looks only for wide open WR, he can't anticipate WR getting open.

You could say his WR suck if they always dropped passes, or could never ever get open.

Our WR are the definition of suck.

[ElectricEye]

i dig the pre-excuses. like, "when he sucks, it's not actually going to be because he sucks. so you can't say he sucks until X, Y and Z."

You can't though. If he sucks, he's a sucky quarterback on the Browns. It's pretty hard not to be. He's clearly not a quarterback who can elevate the play of the talent around him and do special things on his own Elway-style, but it's hard to write a guy off who's played eight games for the second worst franchise in the NFL. You have to assume he sucks at this point until he proves otherwise, but I can't blame anyone for not wanting to give up on him after eight games.

[Brown Leader]

The Browns really were just as bad under Quinn. Fans criticized the conservative play-calling but didn't realize it was because of Brady Quinn's comfortability (or lack of) in the pocket. In two and a half games, Quinn took ten sacks. In the twenty two quarters since, Anderson (the more methodical, less mobile of the two) has taken nine sacks. In college, Quinn would pass too much attention to pressure and got happy feet in the pocket, remarkably it's been the exact same here in the NFL.

I've had the distinct.....experience....of watching every Browns game (except Buffalo and Minnesota). Neither of these Quarterbacks can play for this team and succeed, I think that much is fact. When Mangini benched Quinn in favor of Derek Anderson in the second half of the Baltimore game in Week 3, he wasn't thinking contract incentives, he was thinking about how he could open up this offense and provide some life.

The next week, Cincinnati came to town, and Derek Anderson looked more comfortable and stable than any Browns QB has all year to this day. It looked as if this was just a better team with Anderson, a more experienced, confident, and stronger armed passer. He made his mistakes, but kept the Browns close to the Bengals en route to an overtime loss. Still, more positives came out of that came than any, as the offense had its' best showing and a connection appeared to have been born between Anderson and Mohamed Massaquoi. This had the team confident enough to get rid of talented headache receiver Braylon Edwards. The next week, Anderson and the passing game had their worst showing of the year in Buffalo, but the team won. In past weeks against Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and Chicago nothing has worked and Mangini has kept Quinn on the sidelines as a sign of patience and stability. Now it's clear to him that Anderson can't be giving the Browns their best chance to win and you might as well see what you have in the young arm of Brady Quinn.

This isn't the owner/coach looking for ways to avoid paying their players, it is the team looking at two equally bad options and going back and forth, waffling on which is better for the team. Barring injury, however, I'd expect that Quinn starts the rest of the year... even if that means an 0-8 finish. It's a hard subject to place time and interest into as a football fan, as it really couldn't matter less which quarterback plays in reality. Still, I think the fans are being overly critical of the organization, rather than starting at the core, the team itself.

Your assessments are dead on, but about the critical aspect:The issue is that there is little doubt that these two guys[Quinn-Anderson] would be playing better under the previous offense of Chudzinski. The current OC is the youngest in the NFL, if i remember hearing correctly, and seems completely overwhelmed with his task. A Mangini hand pick, just like his GM.

[Splat]

Quinn was a pick away from being a Chief they got stuck with Dwayne Bowe instead...

[Monomach]

Anyone that has made up their mind that Brady Quinn sucks based on the available sample size is an idiot.

He's only thrown 174 passes.

If he's already a bust, then so are Mark Sanchez, Matt Stafford, Vince Young, and JaFatass Russell. They've produced similarly to Quinn, and all have more pass attempts than him.

Is he a bust because he doesn't JUSSS WINZZZ GAYMEZZZ?

[aNYtitan]

I'm tired of the people on here pretending that Quinn is some stud who's being held back by a bad team. That's not the case. Quinn sucks.

Uhh have you taken a look at the 10 other field that line up with Quinn on offense? Ain't exactly putting up touchdowns at a record pace.

Come on, after you see a guy throw 1 TD and 11 int's, how is this not the move to make? Might as well see what you invested in before you make another drastic move in the draft the next season.

[BlindSite]

This thread has to be satire of ignorant football analysis, there's no other way to explain the hyperbole and lack of intelligent thought flying around.

[FUNBUNCHER]

8 games really isn't an adequate sample size to evaluate a young QB. The Browns should have started Quinn a full 16 games at least, then made their evaluation, which still is somewhat premature.
Aikman and Steve Young SUCKED after 8 games. Peyton wasn't Peyton either after 8 games.
Anyone remember Drew Brees after 8 starts??

The best thing for all parties is for Quinn to get out of Cleveland and start over somewhere else IMO.

[NotRickJames]

Wasn't Derek Anderson good a few years ago?

Only for people who didn't actually watch the games.

Trust me. I saw almost every Browns game that year, at not one point was Anderson impressive. Winslow and Edwards bailed him out; catching inaccurate ball after ball that was thrown to them. He's never been good.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

ESPN has on the NFL Page, Brady Quinn linked to the Broncos, wtf, the trade deadline is over!

[ThePudge]

This is another pathetic showing by Brady Quinn who has been sacked twice, hasn't thrown a pass further than 10 yards downfield, and hasn't thrown a single pass down the middle... Now two interceptions and a pick six. His second interception has the Ravens in position to score again.

With Anderson this offense is inefficient, with Quinn they are anemic.

This is bad play calling, bad coaching...but most of all, awful quarterbacking.

[bored of education]

Brady Quinn sucks balls. I knew he would never amount to ****. **** his pro style offense he ran in college. He needs the Shark.

[Shiver]

I like how the forum has turned from loving Brady Quinn (circa 2006) to hating him. At least I was skeptical of him back in the day; although, to be fair, I did like Jamarcus Russell. That said, the Raiders will ruin any prospect, can't miss or otherwise.

[bored of education]

I loved J Russ. **** my life on that one. I always hated Quinn. Such a preppy ****** bwoi who ain't **** with out the Shark

[Ravens1991]

the amount of 2 step drops to quick shots to the WR that are being called by CLE Is embarassing

[P-L]

I was really high on Russell too, but I was skeptical as soon as the Raiders drafted him.

[ThePudge]

I never had a vision for JaMarcus in Oakland, but that's ok, because neither did he.

I thought Quinn was going to become a very solid QB in an Eli Manning/Aaron Rodgers way.

In other news... Quinn takes a flop.

[Shiver]

I was really high on Russell too, but I was skeptical as soon as the Raiders drafted him.


Pretty much. He needed a good, strong locker room to keep him disciplined and focused. He reminded me an awful lot of Ben Roethlisberger coming out and I can only imagine what Ben's career would have been like playing in Oakland rather than Pittsburgh.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Put me in that high on Jamarcus, low on BQ camp. 50% ain't bad though.

[bored of education]

at least J Russ can throw it 9392 yards

[ThePudge]

at least J Russ can throw it 9392 yards

Quinn can throw it 15 if it gets tipped about 7 yards out.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Quinn can throw it 15 if it gets tipped about 7 yards out.

Tonight I saw Quinn throw 48 yards for a TD... the other way.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

At least Russell is still in the NFL. I was on the Andre Woodson bandwagon for a while...no idea where he's at right now.

[ThePudge]

At least Russell is still in the NFL. I was on the Andre Woodson bandwagon for a while...no idea where he's at right now.

Check the UFL rosters. Man those things are hilarious...

[wogitalia]

I was in the BQ as a better prospect than Russell... At least I seem right on that front. Unfortunately I also was in the BQ as a good prospect, look irredeemably wrong on that front. Didn't like Russell at all, he always felt like that prospect that people wanted to be good but really wasn't. I mean people constantly were saying he was mobile, despite the fact there was nothing supporting it.

I digress though, god they are both just so bad right now.

[ThePudge]

At least the play-calling came around there, with two attempts down the field. Still, Quinn's intermediate-deep accuracy has been, and was there, bad. I'm a true believer it's Quinn's lack of confidence in the pocket and accuracy down the field that has the Browns' hands tied as far as play-calling goes. Credit them for trying different looks, but damn... this offense is bad.

Don't forget the WR concern. By concern I mean, these receivers haven't been able to get separation down the field at all dating back to the start of the year.

[ThePudge]

Brady Quinn's trade value is dropping by the snap. His deep accuracy now has to be a concern to potential suitors.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Brady Quinn's trade value is dropping by the snap. His deep accuracy now has to be a concern to potential suitors.

Brady Quinn is like a rare toy. He looks good when he's in the box not being used, but as soon as you take him out of the box he is useless and valueless.

[Thecollegedropout]

Brady Quinn's trade value is dropping by the snap. His deep accuracy now has to be a concern to potential suitors.
Cribbs got tripped up there though.

And to be fair, it was his 1st game back vs a tough D...........Lets give him more than a game on this comeback to decide what is good or not. New offensive coordinator(A bad one at that, he worked with our stupid OC Schottenheimer) and WR who cannot get seperation and are still learning routes.

[ThePudge]

Brady Quinn is like a rare toy. He looks good when he's in the box not being used, but as soon as you take him out of the box he is useless and valueless.

This is why I thought he should have stayed in that box and expressed that earlier in this thread. This offense is more anemic with Quinn than the Bengals' a year ago with Ryan Fitzpatrick, who by the way, I'd probably rather have than Quinn at this point.

I hope it's just confidence and comfortability that has Quinn struggling. I was one of those who loved him coming out of college. He wasn't flawless, in fact there was some concern about his confidence in the pocket under pressure and his play facing the blitz. His deep accuracy was also a concern. Those problems have only manifested here in the NFL.

[Raiderz4Life]

It doesn't help that the playcalling just blows....i mean mangina ran screens out the ass

[soybean]

I think it's time to stop with the excuses for brady quinn. He's not a good quarterback, and it wouldn't matter if he was qb of the AFC pro-bowl team, he'll find some way to through it behind the receiver or out of bounds.

Also sometimes when a linebacker comes at you, you have to try to make a play with your feet instead of panicking and throw a horrible quick pass.

[ThePudge]

It doesn't help that the playcalling just blows....i mean mangina ran screens out the ass

Did you see Quinn's deep accuracy? Did you see his accuracy on intermediate routes? Or his accuracy over the middle? I've never seen a QB throw mostly screens and quick hooks and still complete only 42% of his passes. By that logic, with that conservative playcalling, why had Quinn still taken 14 sacks in 14 quarters? Quinn was garbage and the Browns offensive strategy was geared knowing that. It's not like this is even that good a pass defense and it's not like the Browns have that bad an offensive line.

Why do people continue to let Quinn off the hook? His career is certainly not over, but his career in Cleveland should be, because he's not improving, he's losing confidence, and this just isn't a situation in Cleveland that is going to turn itself around.

[Thecollegedropout]

Its new offensive systems, its a big reason why guys like Jason Campbell and Alex Smith are failing. And why both need to get out of their team if they want any shot again. If there is no stability with the offensive coaches and scheming, how can a QB get down the playbook and be able to make effective reads when they keep changing every year or so?

Also doesnt help to have Mangini who gave Kellen Clemens this same exact baby treatment in 2007........

[wogitalia]

It's hard to believe that it was only a couple of years ago that the Browns looked like a team going forward.

Had a good receiving TE and WR. A great OT and good OG pairing and then it just fell to pieces, can't help but feel like it's an ownership on down thing either, this is a team that needs someone like Cowher or Dungy at the helm, a guy who will get 3 years without being questioned and double guessed by the rest of the team. Mangini is not the guy to give this team any hope.

[Babylon]

Not sure if it's Quinn being terrible or the playcalling being terrible. To tell the truth i dont really want to find out.

[WinslowBodden]

Browns entire offense blows, we have no one around the QB at all thanks to Mangini trading away Winslow and Edwards.

[Brown Leader]

I think it's time to stop with the excuses for brady quinn. He's not a good quarterback, and it wouldn't matter if he was qb of the AFC pro-bowl team, he'll find some way to through it behind the receiver or out of bounds.

Also sometimes when a linebacker comes at you, you have to try to make a play with your feet instead of panicking and throw a horrible quick pass.

This. And like pudge said I think the play-calling is meant to play to Quinn's "strengths". Consecutive hail marys 5yds out of bounds tells it all.

[wogitalia]

Not sure if it's Quinn being terrible or the playcalling being terrible. To tell the truth i dont really want to find out.

C. All of the Above.

He has no weapons though, none at all but Mangini's play calling is horrific. Like all time bad.

Browns entire offense blows, we have no one around the QB at all thanks to Mangini trading away Winslow and Edwards.

Trading away genuine playmakers because you don't get along with them still reeks of stupidity to me, like how ego-centric do you need to be to sacrifice that kind of talent because you don't like a guy?

[WinslowBodden]

Trading away genuine playmakers because you don't get along with them still reeks of stupidity to me, like how ego-centric do you need to be to sacrifice that kind of talent because you don't like a guy?

Yeah, it still pisses me off but we cant change it now. We got rid of the only two fun players on offense this franchise has seen in 10 years... Because they hate losing? WTF.

[Scotty D]

Browns entire offense blows, we have no one around the QB at all thanks to Mangini trading away Winslow and Edwards.

Mike Furrey baby! Dives on the ground after catching every pass to avoid getting hit. Can't believe he had 98 receptions and a 1000+ yards in the 06-07 season.

[MidwayMonster31]

As Kevin Harlan put it:
'I can't believe how bad this Browns offense is.'
Brady Quinn probably doesn't have it to be a starter in the NFL. He also has no running game, no one to throw and a below average offensive line, despite having an extremely promising center and an All-Star caliber left tackle. The play-calling is also crap.

[CC.SD]

Sorry guys, 8 games is still nowhere near enough of a sample size to write off Quinn. Believe it or not, some guys develop, something clicks. At this point sending Brady out of town would be a huge waste of development time/money. He needs to see the field more. Maybe they can come to some conclusion by the end of the season but personally I wouldn't give up on him.

[WinslowBodden]

Quinn could really use K2... Freeman is really taking advantage of having a go to target at tight end, it's something the Browns don't have... anywhere.

[Tebow_Nation]

I feel bad for Brian Quinn, he has nobody to throw to. If he had a better supporting cast he would be good.

[bigbluedefense]

I was a big Quinn fan coming out, so this is disappointing to me. I hated Russell, I knew he'd be a bust.

The thing that strikes me as odd with Quinn is, he gets it. You see him line guys up, he reads the defense presnap, he adjusts protections, he does hard counts to see who's blitzing, he gets it.

The guy does everything right before the snap. But once the ball is snapped, he looks god awful.

He has no confidence in his protection, he rushes throws bc of it, he stares down WRs, he has no accuracy, no guts to throw it downfield, poor footwork.

The team isn't helping him much either. WRs just aren't getting open, protection is anemic. No one is on the same page. Poor playcalling. But still, he does look poor in his own right.

He needs to go to a better program and just get broken down and built back up. He might revitalize his career elsewhere. Most of his issues are correctable, he just needs a better environment.

If the Giants can turn David Carr from pathetic to a viable backup who might start somewhere next year, I'm sure we can fix Brady Quinn. I wouldn't mind him as our future backup qb. We can build him back up.

To me, the biggest reason why I feel he can potentially work elsewhere is his presnap understanding of the game. The guy gets it. He just hasn't put it together.

And probably never will in Cleveland. Probably never will anywhere, but I feel like our program, sitting behind Eli and working with our guys and our organization could potentially fix him up.

[49ers1984]

I feel bad for Brian Quinn, he has nobody to throw to. If he had a better supporting cast he would be good.


A bad player is a bad player no matter what system you put him in. It did not matter if you put Ryan Leaf in another system he still wouldn't be any good.

[Philliez01]

who cares what plays they're calling? he's throwing it over his wide receivers head on a simple quick screen. he can't throw it deep. he can't even throw an accurate pass to a guy wide open on a slant.


Uh greed.

I liked Quinn a lot. Still do as a matter of fact, and it's not because of his chiseled arms. However, it's evident that he just isn't an NFL QB....at least a starter. If he came from some Hawai'i - styled offense, I could understand the early struggles. However, Weis did have him under a pro-styled offense and he isn't even showing "promise" by making completions or throwing ball his WRs can't catch.

I'll say, his numbers would be a BIT better with better weapons, but he looks worse than Tim Couch.

It's not because of a lack of effort or laziness, it just looks like Quinn is too spooked.

[DeathbyStat]

who cares what plays they're calling? he's throwing it over his wide receivers head on a simple quick screen. he can't throw it deep. he can't even throw an accurate pass to a guy wide open on a slant.

the fact that he has no weapons is irrelevant. the fact that the playcalling sucks is irrelevant. i'm not even sure he could throw the ball away with an accuracy.

get him out of cleveland and *maybe* he turns into what david carr is now (as i'm told by giants fans, a passable backup).

I couldn't agree more

[soybean]

I don't understand why there is a huge majority on this board that thinks. ooooh he just needs a few more games under his belt and he'll be good. He hasn't looked good AT ALL. There hasn't even been flashes. All that he has going for him were decent preseason games.

Usually the whole experience thing only makes a difference when the young qb has shown flashes of greatness. the most you'll get out of quinn is flashes of normal play, and those are few and far in between.

EDIT: and stop with the supporting cast crap. the supporting cast is not responsible for quinn throwing a simple slant route behind the receiver. the supporting cast is not responsible for quinn throwing 2 consecutive hail marys 5 yards out of bounds. The supporting cast isn't responsible for quinn taking a dump at the FIRST sight of a ray lewis blitz.

no confidence + no accuracy = FAIL.

[BmoreBlackByrdz]

I feel like Minnesota should try and make a move for Quinn. Maybe a 3rd and Tarvaris Jackson for Quinn??

Let him sit behind Favre next year (if Favre plays) and I think he would be real nice fit there. He'd definitely have a great supporting cast - top 5 o-line, a top 3 RB, an arsenal of weapons (Shiancoe, Rice, Harvin, Berrian, Taylor)

[Scott Wright]

I feel like Minnesota should try and make a move for Quinn. Maybe a 3rd and Tarvaris Jackson for Quinn?

Supposedly the Vikings and Childress weren't fans of Quinn coming out of college.

[Shiver]

I feel like Minnesota should try and make a move for Quinn. Maybe a 3rd and Tarvaris Jackson for Quinn??

Let him sit behind Favre next year (if Favre plays) and I think he would be real nice fit there. He'd definitely have a great supporting cast - top 5 o-line, a top 3 RB, an arsenal of weapons (Shiancoe, Rice, Harvin, Berrian, Taylor)


Tarvaris Jackson >>>>>>>>>>>>> Brady Quinn


Not even close....

[Bucs_Rule]

Isn't Jackson a Free Agent? If thats the case and Farve returns I can't see him resigning. Even if Farve actually retires he could definitly decide to go a team where he will be the starter. As opposed ot Minny where he will have to compete with Sage and the possibility that Farve will unretire again.

[CC.SD]

Isn't Jackson a Free Agent? If thats the case and Farve returns I can't see him resigning. Even if Farve actually retires he could definitly decide to go a team where he will be the starter. As opposed ot Minny where he will have to compete with Sage and the possibility that Farve will unretire again.

Favre won't retire.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Favre won't stay retired.

Fixed.

Anyway on Quinn, it's weird because both him and Russell not only haven't gotten better, they've regressed. Neither of them can hit the broad side of a barn right now, but both of them were accurate passers in college. I thought that Russell's struggles would be mental, but he lost all of his accuracy. I thought Quinn would be inconsistent because he was inconsistent under pressure and nobody gets perfect pockets every time in the NFL, but he's shown zero accuracy, zero willingness to throw the ball down the field and zero toughness. Both of these guys, IMO, are big time busts.

Could they turn it around? Yes, but I'd be shocked. These aren't like normal developing QBs. They aren't occasionally missing reads and throwing otherwise catchable balls into tight coverage. They aren't trying to go for the big play when it's not needed.

These are two guys with absolutely nothing at this point. They can't hit anyone. They don't seem to be having development problems, they seem to be having real physical problems with their accuracy. Both of these guys should start the rest of the way, just because there's no one better on either team at this point. But I don't see any future in them beyond that.

[JeffSamardzijaIRISH]

The first game Quinn started against the Broncos last year, it looked like he was gonig to progress into a good QB, but after he got hurt, he hasn't been that same QB. Dunno what's happened with him, must be that his psyche is destroyed.

[Brown Leader]

The first game Quinn started against the Broncos last year, it looked like he was gonig to progress into a good QB, but after he got hurt, he hasn't been that same QB. Dunno what's happened with him, must be that his psyche is destroyed.

And that offense is no more. This year's OC Daboll has been an epic fail. It would have been interesting to see Quinn start this year with that same offense, but that's Mangini for you. Not making excuses but it would've given a better evaluation of Quinn.

[LonghornsLegend]

Isn't Jackson a Free Agent? If thats the case and Farve returns I can't see him resigning. Even if Farve actually retires he could definitly decide to go a team where he will be the starter. As opposed ot Minny where he will have to compete with Sage and the possibility that Farve will unretire again.

Favre isn't going to 'compete' with anyone for a starting QB gig next year, especially not Sage. Even if he comes down the 2nd half of the season and he doesn't look as great as he has prior, he'll still be the starter next year and there is no reason Minny would want to start Sage over him.

[marshallb]

Favre isn't going to 'compete' with anyone for a starting QB gig next year, especially not Sage. Even if he comes down the 2nd half of the season and he doesn't look as great as he has prior, he'll still be the starter next year and there is no reason Minny would want to start Sage over him.

I'm pretty sure he was talking about T-Jack.

[holt_bruce81]

Mike Furrey baby! Dives on the ground after catching every pass to avoid getting hit. Can't believe he had 98 receptions and a 1000+ yards in the 06-07 season.

Can't believe he was the starting Free Safety for the Rams 5 years ago.

[Bengalsrocket]

Favre isn't going to 'compete' with anyone for a starting QB gig next year, especially not Sage. Even if he comes down the 2nd half of the season and he doesn't look as great as he has prior, he'll still be the starter next year and there is no reason Minny would want to start Sage over him.

I think something got lost in the translation...

[aNYtitan]

First game against the Ravens, just awful. That they sack him using only three down lineman is either a testament to Quinn not feeling the rush, or the line being real bad

[WinslowBodden]

I told you guys he wasn't the **** and that's why he was benched...

Anyways, the whole offense around him is garbage but he never helps his own cause... I don't even care at this point because the whole discussion is irrelevant until we get actual players around the QB position.

[ThePudge]

Quinn has thrown 3 Td's today against the Lions in the first half. He looks a lot more comfortable in the pocket, and more comfortable going downfield.

[Bengals78]

Quinn has thrown 3 Td's today against the Lions in the first half. He looks a lot more comfortable in the pocket, and more comfortable going downfield.

So allowing him time to be comfortable in the pocket works? Hmm...

[WinslowBodden]

Like I said earlier in the year, cant do **** with way the players around the QB have been playing.

I have noticed however when there is a blitz Quinn gets extremely nervous even if it doesnt get to him.

[ThePudge]

Like I said earlier in the year, cant do **** with way the players around the QB have been playing.

I have noticed however when there is a blitz Quinn gets extremely nervous even if it doesnt get to him.

This has been a Brady Quinn quality since college. He panics under pressure. Even showing blitz can throw off his rhythm.

[Mr.Regular]

Up by 20 at half, but it could be way worse for San Fran.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I've changed my LOL to @ the Browns. A 21 point lead should be safe against the Lions.

[WinslowBodden]

quinn should have a 4th td but our rb (jennings) decided that passes that hit you right in both hands are too hard to catch.

[RaiderNation]

Just to remind you guys, Quinn is playing against the Lions... the worst pass defense in the league

[Scotty D]

I've changed my LOL to @ the Browns. A 21 point lead should be safe against the Lions.

sup Matt Stafford

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Just to remind you guys, Quinn is playing against the Lions... the worst pass defense in the league

Yeah, the Detroit defensive backs were getting just torched today. That said, Quinn did look generally better. We'll have to see if he can keep it up for the rest of the year.

[Philliez01]

Looking at highlights, he had some confidence. I think PL (I believe) it was said, he looks great pre-snap and everything it's just until the ball gets into his hands.

At least his career has a high point now.

[Gay Ork Wang]

Looking at highlights, he had some confidence. I think PL (I believe) it was said, he looks great pre-snap and everything it's just until the ball gets into his hands.

At least his career has a high point now.
it was bbd

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

BQ will be remembered as the guy who turned the annual Toilet Bowl into a game that will probably be better than the Super Bowl.

[Philliez01]

it was bbd

Gracias mi' amore.

[WinslowBodden]

BQ will be remembered as the guy who turned the annual Toilet Bowl into a game that will probably be better than the Super Bowl.

Annual toilet bowl will be when the Browns play the Raiders late December in Cleveland when it is snowing O.o