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diabsoule
11-17-2009, 08:56 PM
The holders of the top two spots have trouble maintaining their unbeaten records, the top of the NFC East slips in Green Bay, while a former bottom dweller continues its rise.

1. New Orleans Saints (9-0) – Turnovers and injuries are starting to take their toll as starting CB Tracy Porter is out up to six weeks.

2. Indianapolis Colts (9-0) – The Colts defense stepped up when they needed to against New England, now their in the driver's spot in the AFC.

3. Minnesota Vikings (8-1) – Barring a complete meltdown, the Vikings all but have the NFC North locked up.

4. Cincinnati Bengals (7-2) – The Bengals swept the Steelers for the first time since 1998. They have to wait until week 12 when they host the Browns to complete the sweep of the NFC North.

5. New England Patriots (6-3) – Whether you agree with it or not, Brady and Belichick's call to go for it on 4th down cost them the game and showed how little faith they have in their defense.

6. Pittsburgh Steelers (6-3) - Pittsburgh isn't used to being bullied by the Bengals but that's exactly what happened this past Sunday.

7. Arizona Cardinals (6-3) – Already 4-0 on the road and they travel to St. Louis this week. You can safely assume they will be 5-0 on the road after this week.

8. San Diego Chargers (6-3) – Suddenly, the Chargers are tied with the Broncos for best in the division.

9. Houston Texans (5-4) – The Texans haven't allowed a 100+ yard rusher since week 3 and host the red hot Titans and Chris Johnson on MNF. Somethings gotta give.

10. Denver Broncos (6-3) – After a hot start the ponies have dropped three in a row and now have Chris Simms starting against the Chargers.

11. Dallas Cowboys (6-3) – Nothing is guaranteed, as on paper that game against Green Bay seemed like it should be a W, but the Cowboys can bounce back when they host Washington this week.

12. Philadelphia Eagles (5-4) – LeSean McCoy should carry the rock from now on so Westbrook could come back healthy next year from his concussion.

13. Baltimore Ravens (5-4) – Despite the fact that Cleveland's defense played very well, the lack of offensive production for Baltimore is a cause for concern.

14. Atlanta Falcons (5-4) – Matty Ice is going through his sophomore slump which is not good for Atlanta's playoff hopes.

15. New York Giants (5-4) – A win against a faltering Atlanta team would help them get back on track.

16. Green Bay Packers (5-4) – Add another four sacks to Aaron Rodgers bringing him to 41 on the season but the only stat that matter is that one added to the W column.

17. Jacksonville Jaguars (5-4) – The Jaguars seem to have found their MoJo and have another winnable game against the Bills this week to prove it.

18. Miami Dolphins (4-5) – Tampa was tougher than expected and now they will be without Ronnie Brown when they go to Carolina Thursday night.

19. Carolina Panthers (4-5) – Carolina has looked much differently the past couple of weeks and seem to be coming together as a team.

20. San Francisco 49ers (4-5) – It wasn't pretty but the 49ers prevailed over the Bears last Thursday. This week they stay in the NFC North and go to Green Bay.

21. Tennessee Titans (3-6) – The Titans have been a different team since their bye week and have cranked off three straight wins. Monday night at Houston will prove just how far this team has come.

22. New York Jets (4-5) – The “San-chize” has looked to be anything but and their defense really misses Kris Jenkins, which doesn't point to a kind week when they travel to Foxboro Sunday.

23. Chicago Bears (4-5) – Another 5 INTs for Cutler Thursday night brings his total to a league high 17 on the season, four more than Jake Delhomme, who is second.

24. Washington Redskins (3-6) – Surprise. Surprise. The Redskins have life in them after all.

25. Seattle Seahawks (3-6) – The Jim Mora Jr. era is not starting off as expected.

26. Buffalo Bills (3-6) – It was only a matter of time before Dick Jauron was let go.

27. Kansas City Chiefs (2-7) – There are still two more winnable games on the schedule.

28. Oakland Raiders (2-7) – 10 penalties, 90 yards total passing offense. Two different quarterbacks in one game. That about sums up the Raiders season.

29. St. Louis Rams (1-8) – They were competitive for four quarters against the Saints which is an improvement.

30. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1-8) – At least they have their franchise QB in Josh Freeman, who makes them competitive.

31. Detroit Lions (1-8) – Game of the season coming up this Sunday when Cleveland comes to town.

32. Cleveland Browns (1-8) – This team makes the Raiders look like world beaters.

CC.SD
11-17-2009, 09:06 PM
Man I can't wait for the Detroit/Cleveland game.

I'm putting a lot of chanting into the Chargers beating the Broncos because we've got KC and CLE after that, staring a 9-3 record in the face. Tough to complain.

vidae
11-17-2009, 09:11 PM
With the way we've been playing I will be surprised if we beat the Bills or the Browns.

tjsunstein
11-17-2009, 09:15 PM
I think we're better than the Texans and probably the Broncos with Simms at quarterback. Then again, that's on paper.

the decider13
11-17-2009, 09:21 PM
Orton is actually going to be playing as far as I know.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/11/16/broncos-orton-will-play-despite-ankle-injury/

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-17-2009, 09:51 PM
Man I can't wait for the Detroit/Cleveland game.

I'm putting a lot of chanting into the Chargers beating the Broncos because we've got KC and CLE after that, staring a 9-3 record in the face. Tough to complain.

If Chris Simms is starting, I for one would like to forfeit. Seeing a 2-0, or whatever the forfeit score is in football would be a lot less painful than seeing the 49-0 shellacking that definitely awaits us. I think our only hope with Simms starting is that Eddie Royal follows up that 2 return TD performance with an 8 TD one.

Orton is actually going to be playing as far as I know.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2009/11/16/broncos-orton-will-play-despite-ankle-injury/


HOPE!? is that you??

CC.SD
11-17-2009, 09:58 PM
If Chris Simms is starting, I for one would like to forfeit. Seeing a 2-0, or whatever the forfeit score is in football would be a lot less painful than seeing the 49-0 shellacking that definitely awaits us. I think our only hope with Simms starting is that Eddie Royal follows up that 2 return TD performance with an 8 TD one.




HOPE!? is that you??

Wait, is there actually a forfeit score?

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Splat
11-17-2009, 10:01 PM
Man there are alot of bad football teams this year.

yo123
11-17-2009, 10:02 PM
I think Indy has to be number 1 after seeing the Saints the last couple weeks. The Colts just beat one of the best teams in the league and the Saints beat one of the worst teams in the league by five points and it came down to the final drive.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-17-2009, 10:08 PM
Wait, is there actually a forfeit score?

http://receivingme.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/mcnabb300.jpg

That brings me to my next point:

"There can be scoreless ties in football? I'd hate to see what would happen if that happened in the Super Bowl or something. Would there be two trophies? Or would they just give it to the defensive players? Not that we really need to worry about the Super Bowl at this point. Just something to think about I guess. I heard in Canada you get a point for a missed field goal or punt that gets downed in the endzone. Maybe we should do that here? Just cuz I don't think there'd be scoreless ties anymore if we did that."

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Bengalsrocket
11-17-2009, 10:12 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually think the Vikings are a better team the Saints right now. Nobody is talking about it, but Favre only has 3 interceptions so far this year. Since he became the starter in Green Bay back in 1992, he's never thrown for less than 10 interceptions in a season. Right now he's on pace for less than 6 (ya ya I know, "on pace" never pans out).

With Favre's experience and ability to stretch a defense and his new found efficiency plus Adrian Peterson and an excellent defense, I just think they're the top team in the NFC.

Mr.Regular
11-17-2009, 10:15 PM
Call me crazy, but I actually think the Vikings are a better team the Saints right now. Nobody is talking about it, but Favre only has 3 interceptions so far this year. Since he became the starter in Green Bay back in 1992, he's never thrown for less than 10 interceptions in a season. Right now he's on pace for less than 6 (ya ya I know, "on pace" never pans out).

With Favre's experience and ability to stretch a defense and his new found efficiency plus Adrian Peterson and an excellent defense, I just think they're the top team in the NFC.
I'd agree with this. The Vikings are scary right now, while the Saints are reeling from bad injuries.

Auron
11-17-2009, 10:18 PM
Yeah I'm probably a little harsh on the Saints.. but I just don't think they've played like the Best team in the league the past few weeks. I mean their body of work still shows me they are in that upper echelon this season... but they have been really sloppy as of late. They've had 13 Turnovers in the past 4 games, and have been shaky on run Defense... although they've been getting gashed early in games and then start tightening up.

I'd say the Colts are probably the best team... I'm not sure I'm ready to say the Vikings are better overall... but they have definitely been playing better Football lately then us. So that strengthens their argument. Either way the Saints are still finding ways to win games, but they are making it closer then it should be with some pretty poor mistakes. New England game will tell us a lot in 2 weeks.

Splat
11-17-2009, 10:19 PM
I have the Colts #1 Peyton is just in a crazy zone right now.

Bengalsrocket
11-17-2009, 10:25 PM
Yea, like I said, I think the Vikings are the top team in the NFC, not the league. Colts are definitely #1 right now for me though.

vikes_28
11-17-2009, 10:54 PM
Well if you have been watching the vikings games, they very rarely finish games. But I'm pretty sure that the Saints are the same way. No homer, I would give the edge to the Vikings at this point. We have been able to stop the pass against the best passing team in the NFL, and we have been able to consistently get pressure. I was flaming pissed after the game on Sunday. The Vikings were being complacent and I was very irate. If we would have played a better team, like the Seahawks, we would have lost that game. I see the Vikings melting down vs. the Bears and the Giants. Final record prediction, 13-3.

TitanHope
11-17-2009, 11:13 PM
9. Houston Texans (5-4) The Texans haven't allowed a 100+ yard rusher since week 3 and host the red hot Titans and Chris Johnson on MNF. Somethings gotta give.

CJ vs Texans DEF...I know who I got my money on. :D

The Texans are giving up 4.7 YPC to opposing offenses, which ranks them 28th in the league in that area. They're also 29th in rushes against with 210. They haven't faced a team since Week 3 that have committed to the run like the Titans will while also possessing a RB of CJ's caliber.

This game'll be a bloodbath though. Guys were playing plenty past the whistle last game, a few fight broke out, and even Jason Jones got ejected. Should be a good one. :)

vikes_28
11-17-2009, 11:36 PM
I must say, the Broncos this year are like the Vikings of the early decade. Win their first 6 games, then drop 4 in a row and barely make the playoffs. I see that happening. And Vince Young just wins gaymes.

diabsoule
11-17-2009, 11:50 PM
CJ vs Texans DEF...I know who I got my money on. :D

The Texans are giving up 4.7 YPC to opposing offenses, which ranks them 28th in the league in that area. They're also 29th in rushes against with 210. They haven't faced a team since Week 3 that have committed to the run like the Titans will while also possessing a RB of CJ's caliber.

This game'll be a bloodbath though. Guys were playing plenty past the whistle last game, a few fight broke out, and even Jason Jones got ejected. Should be a good one. :)

Yeah, I picked the Texans but am really unsure. The Titans are on a hot streak but have allowed opponents to score in bunches, which is what the Texans do best. I'm really looking forward to this game. I have no rooting interested either way but it seems like a great one following the most recent Monday night debacle (see Ravens @ Browns).

Boston
11-18-2009, 12:16 AM
Meh, I wouldn't say the Cowboys are better on paper, but they definately had the momentum and were expected to win.

TitanHope
11-18-2009, 12:43 AM
Yeah, I picked the Texans but am really unsure. The Titans are on a hot streak but have allowed opponents to score in bunches, which is what the Texans do best. I'm really looking forward to this game. I have no rooting interested either way but it seems like a great on following the most recent Monday night debacle (see Ravens @ Browns).

The only reason why I like the Titans, aside from my homerism, is because the Texans will be without Owen Daniels this time. He tore us up on 3rd Down last time around, which was a killer. Schaub played the best game I've ever seen him play too. Every single pass was perfectly placed. Hopefully, he won't be as in the zone this time around. :D

General Zod
11-18-2009, 12:55 AM
Good job. I dont really see anything I disagree with.

holt_bruce81
11-18-2009, 01:00 AM
I agree with just about everything. Just not the Raiders being better than the Rams. They may have more wins on the season, but they're terrible.

Flyboy
11-18-2009, 01:19 AM
I'd flip the Colts and Saints at this point.

619
11-18-2009, 01:23 AM
I agree with just about everything. Just not the Raiders being better than the Rams. They may have more wins on the season, but they're terrible.

And so are the Rams, it's no different. We've both had our share of blowout losses, too. Our resume is the slightly more impressive one at this point.

diabsoule
11-18-2009, 02:41 AM
I'd flip the Colts and Saints at this point.

I was thinking that when making them out but decided upon keeping the Saints there one more week. They were playing against the Rams with a 3/4 of their secondary out and Sed Ellis out. I guess the Colts could make the same argument, however, their backups have seen more playing time than ours have.

We'll see how things go this week.

Flyboy
11-18-2009, 03:56 AM
Yeah, but we played the Rams while the Colts played the Pats. They definitely go to #1 for me personally.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-18-2009, 08:00 AM
I agree with just about everything. Just not the Raiders being better than the Rams. They may have more wins on the season, but they're terrible.

Pot, meet kettle.

TitanHope
11-18-2009, 08:18 AM
Pot, meet kettle.

They have the #1b RB in the league though!

(Sorry, couldn't help it! SJAXisaBEAST)

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-18-2009, 08:25 AM
I could buy Jackson being 1b, if Chris Johnson is 1a, and AD is #0.

TitanHope
11-18-2009, 08:29 AM
I could buy Jackson being 1b, if Chris Johnson is 1a, and AD is #0.

Are you saying Adrian Peterson is unquantifiable?

That's quite bold of you, good sir.

MetSox17
11-18-2009, 01:26 PM
But, Chris Simms is teh best! :(

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-18-2009, 03:09 PM
Are you saying Adrian Peterson is unquantifiable?

That's quite bold of you, good sir.

Well let's just put it this way.

Would YOU have the guts to divide something by Adrian Peterson?

CC.SD
11-18-2009, 03:13 PM
But, Chris Simms is teh best! :(

I still maintain Chris Simms got robbed of a playoff victory against the Redskins...he was the victim of several huuuuuuge drops, and definitely played well enough to win.

But it looks like it will be Orton.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-18-2009, 03:18 PM
Personally I would LOVE to see Simms start Sunday in Denver....

For the Chargers.

CC.SD
11-18-2009, 03:19 PM
Personally I would LOVE to see Simms start Sunday in Denver....

For the Chargers.

Even if I weren't actively blocking your voodoo doll, you would still have to face his eminence Billy Volek!

fenikz
11-18-2009, 03:25 PM
Cardinals going under the radar again(as NFC Champs), just got Boldin back and Hayes should be back next week, finally getting a running game going

Gay Ork Wang
11-18-2009, 03:31 PM
Cardinals going under the radar again(as NFC Champs), just got Boldin back and Hayes should be back next week, finally getting a running game going
well, u did play against the bears, who wouldnt necessarily coiunt as a football team in germasia

Go_Eagles77
11-18-2009, 04:02 PM
well, u did play against the bears, who wouldnt necessarily coiunt as a football team in germasia
They're still gonna win this week. Eagles = 0-7 on NBC's Sunday Night Football.

Gay Ork Wang
11-18-2009, 04:14 PM
They're still gonna win this week. Eagles = 0-7 on NBC's Sunday Night Football.
Jay Cutler Ints on Primetime: 11

CC.SD
11-18-2009, 04:20 PM
Jay Cutler Ints on Primetime: 11

Maybe we will see a tie.

fenikz
11-18-2009, 04:24 PM
well, u did play against the bears, who wouldnt necessarily coiunt as a football team in germasia

renji still living in the past

diabsoule
11-18-2009, 05:30 PM
renji still living in the past

It must take news a while to travel across the Atlantic since Renji is still talking about week 9.

Timbathia
11-18-2009, 06:41 PM
Most of Denver want Simms to start after the preseason games, and then about half wanted him starting again after the Steelers and Ravens losses. Now he is the worst starting QB in the NFL after being throw in mid-game and struggling.

Why does the NFL thrive so much on over-reaction and absolutes?

Bengalsrocket
11-18-2009, 07:08 PM
Why does the NFL thrive so much on over-reaction and absolutes?

I've been thinking about this, and I think the slow schedule has a lot to do with it. 1 game a week for each team means fans think about their team for 6 days to each 1 day we actually see them.

A lot of the NFL media is based on what a player was in the past, or can be in the future because there just isn't that much happening in the present.

Anyways, that's my guess. It's a lot easier for a fan to make a decision based off 30 minutes of play time on Sunday when he's got 6 days to think about that player from Monday to Saturday.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-18-2009, 10:00 PM
Most of Denver want Simms to start after the preseason games, and then about half wanted him starting again after the Steelers and Ravens losses. Now he is the worst starting QB in the NFL after being throw in mid-game and struggling.

Why does the NFL thrive so much on over-reaction and absolutes?

After the pre-season? Understandable. He threw a ******* left handed interception. Shades of Jake the Snake there. After the first two games? I was in that boat, I thought we were winning despite him. But since then, a light has popped up in Orton's head and he's been great. He wasn't great against Baltimore or Pittsburgh(where he threw his first 2 real picks of the season), but that's okay. He's been playing great football this year since the first 2 games. I don't recall hearing anyone with half a brain suggesting replacing Orton with Simms on a 6-2 team that lost to the Ravens and Steelers.

Also, I wasn't expecting Simms to light the world on fire. I know that being thrown into the action against a solid defense is tough. But what he did was an abomination. He was what? 3/13 for 13 goddam yards and a pick? He has an excellent OL, great WRs, and he leads our offense to a whole 36 second half yards? Ex-******* scuse me? The man is a bonafide scrub. No QB who is capable of taking that loud of a dump on a football field deserves to even be in the NFL. Games like that should be an automatic opt-out clause for the team.

Timbathia
11-18-2009, 10:39 PM
Responding to both above posts......

I agree - Woody Paige does not have half a brain so him calling for Simms to start the Washington game does not count. :)

Simms performance on sunday was exceptionally bad. Based on only that sample size, only Jamarcus Russell is a worse starting QB than Simms (as he has crapped on the field for 10 games in a row now, and against worse defenses than the Redskins). Whoever starts in Cleveland may also be regularly as bad as Simms was on sunday. There are quite a number of QBs currently starting in the NFL that have played for periods of games this year about as badly as Simms did on Sunday (Cutler, Sanchez, etc., etc.), and they at least took reps during the week before it.

I empathize with the positions taken, but IMO to repeatedly state that Denver should forfeit this week rather than embarrass themselves by playing is a tad of an over-reaction to the situation. I think if Simms plays this week he will be better than last week. I am certainly not saying I am happy about it if he does play, or we are much of a chance of winning. However, I would prefer to reserve judgment until waiting to see what he does against an average NFL defense after a full week preparations before voiding his contract. Call me crazy if you will.

Timbathia
11-18-2009, 10:41 PM
and to call the o-line we had in on sunday as excellent is a massive over-statement.

Gay Ork Wang
11-19-2009, 11:01 AM
renji still living in the past
im talking about getting the running play going. but also the seahawks are not that much more impressiv than the bears