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briz5x
03-11-2007, 11:10 AM
Donte Stallworth: 4.18 - 4.26
Chad Jackson: 4.32

is there a faster tandem?

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 11:12 AM
Donte Stallworth: 4.18 - 4.26
Chad Jackson: 4.32

is there a faster tandem?what! stallworth didnt run a 4.1.

The Dynasty
03-11-2007, 11:13 AM
I dont know what there forty time was but I would guess Santana Moss and Randel El would be up there.

toonsterwu
03-11-2007, 11:14 AM
It comes down to what you are talking about -straight line, or football speed. In terms of football speed, Chad Jackson could use areas of improvement, although he is young and that potential is there.

Btw, the Dynasty, Randle El, I believe, had a 4.5ish 40 time, but what he has is excellent quickness.

briz5x
03-11-2007, 11:14 AM
what! stallworth didnt run a 4.1.

http://www.nfl.com/ce/feature/0,3783,5241600,00.html

Sizzling Stallworth makes the rounds
By Steve Cohen
Special to NFL.com


(April 16, 2002) -- Faster than a speeding bullet; more powerful than a locomotive; able to leap ... maybe we're getting ahead of ourselves here, but as teams prepare for the NFL Draft, they'll be hard pressed to find a player who possesses the rare combination of power and speed that wide receiver Donte' Stallworth boasts.

During his Pro Day workout at the University of Tennessee, scouts were ready to hang an "S" on his chest after clocking him in the 40-yard dash.

"The Chiefs had me in at 4.18 and mostly, I think the range was 4.18 to 4.26 but I'll go ahead and take that 4.18," Stallworth told NFL.com.

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 11:15 AM
show me a link where it says stallworth ran a 4.18

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 11:17 AM
yea at a pro day...i dont believe that for a second. deon sanders cant run that fast.

toonsterwu
03-11-2007, 11:17 AM
briz5x - that was at a pro day. Most teams use an adjustment factor to pro day times. Sure, they are "valid", but depending on the conditions, adjustments factors are considered. I don't remember Tennessee's workout conditions, so I can't say for certain. That being said, while digging up Randle El's 40 time (cnnsi - just googled cnnsi 2002 nfl draft, too lazy to open another window to get the link), I saw Stallworth's listed time there, which was 4.32, which would, in terms of straight line speed, still probably make Stallworth/Jackson as the fastest tandem. (btw, Randle El was listed at 4.55).

jetsfan3
03-11-2007, 11:18 AM
show me a link where it says stallworth ran a 4.18


Post above. I guess if Stallworth really ran a 4.1 than him and Jackson are the fastest tandem. Damn Patriots.

ny10804
03-11-2007, 11:20 AM
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2002&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/stallworth_donte.htm

^ those list Stallworth at 4.48.

briz5x
03-11-2007, 11:22 AM
well i mean Ginn was only gunna run at his Pro Day so his 40 time wouldnt count because it was a Pro Day?

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 11:22 AM
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2002&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/stallworth_donte.htm

^ those list Stallworth at 4.48.yea really, he magically shaved that much time of his forty lol... gimme a break if he was that fast hed be the most coveted receiver in the league. he never would have gotten traded from the saints.

toonsterwu
03-11-2007, 11:24 AM
well i mean Ginn was only gunna run at his Pro Day so his 40 time wouldnt count because it was a Pro Day?

No one is saying it doesn't count. What I'm saying is that, most teams adjust the pro day 40 times, depending on the conditions. In some cases (although very few), the time may even be decreased if the conditions were that poor.

remix 6
03-11-2007, 11:24 AM
4.1 is inaccurate..4.26-4.28 is more like it

briz5x
03-11-2007, 11:26 AM
http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/players.php?genpos=WR&draftyear=2002&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/stallworth_donte.htm

^ those list Stallworth at 4.48.

Stallworth measured 6-foot, 198 pounds. He had a 39-inch vertical jump and a 10-foot, 11-inch long jump did 17 strength reps. Ran once on a very fast track at Tennessee the lowest watch of five people we talked to was 4.19 and the highest was 4.28. Median was 4.24. In my opinion, his performance vaulted him into a top-10 pick.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/individual_workouts.html#tennessee

princefielder28
03-11-2007, 11:28 AM
Post above. I guess if Stallworth really ran a 4.1 than him and Jackson are the fastest tandem. Damn Patriots.

The Patriots have everything!!!!!

JRTPlaya21
03-11-2007, 11:31 AM
Deion ran a 4.19 and supposedly D-Hall ran a 4.15 on an indoor track. Any sort of time like that is highly unlikely.

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 11:33 AM
Deion ran a 4.19The fastest time officially recorded by the NFL was 4.29 seconds by Deion Sanders in 1989 , although the NFL did not begin electronic timing until 1990.

remix 6
03-11-2007, 11:34 AM
also throw in Caldwell who ran a "4.3" but he doesnt seem like it on the field

CM4
03-11-2007, 11:37 AM
why do idiots believe these stupid handtimes.... Stallworth ran 4.3s at combine... Stallworth doesnt run 4.18, please that is a joke.

UTPATS
03-11-2007, 11:38 AM
I think T.O. and Terry Glenn tandom would be pretty fast. I know Glenn was clocked at around 4.19, but T.O. was around a 4.6 coming out. Glenn might be able to run a 4.19 anymore, but I know TO can run a lot faster than a 4.6 now. I wonder what he ran in pads to catch Julius Jones against NO?

Eaglez.Fan
03-11-2007, 11:42 AM
Yes but will Chad Jackson even start. This should be the fastest starting WR's. If were doing it like that then the eagles have Bethel Johnson and had Justin Gatlin. Noone is faster then them. And Greg Lewis is fast.

But as of starters I'd say Washington has the fastest, possibly the Jets

remix 6
03-11-2007, 11:42 AM
if Bucs get Calvin Johnson it could be them withj Galloway there too

remix 6
03-11-2007, 11:43 AM
Yes but will Chad Jackson even start. This should be the fastest starting WR's. If were doing it like that then the eagles have Bethel Johnson and had Justin Gatlin. Noone is faster then them. And Greg Lewis is fast.

But as of starters I'd say Washington has the fastest, possibly the Jets

eagles didnt have justin gatlin..and skins no..Randel El is more quick than fast and he doesnt even start

JRTPlaya21
03-11-2007, 11:44 AM
The fastest time officially recorded by the NFL was 4.29 seconds by Deion Sanders in 1989 , although the NFL did not begin electronic timing until 1990.


Wikipedia does wonders for all.

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 11:45 AM
Wikipedia does wonders for all.
yea duh, i wanted to prove that u guys were wrong...wasnt trying to act like i fricking wrote it. smart a55

ShutDwn
03-11-2007, 11:46 AM
Ha, Stallworth doesn't run anywhere near a 4.2, thats total BS. Looks like some Patriots fans are gitty over their latest signing.

Basically the point of this thread indicates that a team could just have two guys who are just speed demons and never see the field and be called the team with the fastest tandem?

Steve Smith and Drew Carter are pretty fast, Drew Carter has said that he beat Ginn last year, I can't remember if it was long distance or not though.

Eaglez.Fan
03-11-2007, 11:46 AM
eagles didnt have justin gatlin..and skins no..Randel El is more quick than fast and he doesnt even start

Well he was trying out :p

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 11:48 AM
Ha, Stallworth doesn't run anywhere near a 4.2, thats total BS. Looks like some Patriots fans are gitty over their latest signing.

Basically the point of this thread indicates that a team could just have two guys who are just speed demons and never see the field and be called the team with the fastest tandem?

Steve Smith and Drew Carter are pretty fast, Drew Carter has said that he beat Ginn last year, I can't remember if it was long distance or not though.yea i forgot about them i would say they are the fastest. carter is reallly fast. steve is in a class of his own with his combination of quickness and speed.

JRTPlaya21
03-11-2007, 11:49 AM
yea duh, i wanted to prove that u guys were wrong...wasnt trying to act like i fricking wrote it. smart a55

Yeah sorry I got my info off of there too, so my bad if it came off that way. The 40 is overrated and doesn't prove much. I run in the 4.5 range in high school, but I think my game speed may be a bit faster.

bills_red
03-11-2007, 11:52 AM
Lee Evans and Roscoe Parrish are very fast.

hugepunch
03-11-2007, 11:53 AM
Yeah sorry I got my info off of there too, so my bad if it came off that way. The 40 is overrated and doesn't prove much. I run in the 4.5 range in high school, but I think my game speed may be a bit faster.

haha, my bad. game speed is alot different, instincts are what count on the field.

TNewFan41
03-11-2007, 12:08 PM
That Stallworth 4.2 thing is BS. that was just a horrible draft rumor. He runs a 4.48:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/stallworth_donte.htm#agility

He has above average speed at best.

remix 6
03-11-2007, 12:10 PM
agree bout Smith and Carter. Carter is said to be faster than Steve Smith

remix 6
03-11-2007, 12:11 PM
That Stallworth 4.2 thing is BS. that was just a horrible draft rumor. He runs a 4.48:

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2002/profiles/stallworth_donte.htm#agility

He has above average speed at best.

above average speed at best? Hes 1 of the fastest WRs ..and im not saying it cuz hes a Patriot..ive said it since he was a Saint

TNewFan41
03-11-2007, 12:12 PM
Deion ran a 4.19 and supposedly D-Hall ran a 4.15 on an indoor track. Any sort of time like that is highly unlikely.

Indoor tracks make you WAY WAY WAY faster. On grass hall ran a 4.37, that tells you how much it helps.

TNewFan41
03-11-2007, 12:13 PM
above average speed at best? Hes 1 of the fastest WRs ..and im not saying it cuz hes a Patriot..ive said it since he was a Saint

No he is not one of the fastest WRs, he gets caught from behind all of the time.

He didn't run a 4.1 or .42, not even a 4.3, he ran a 4.48.

Im_a_Romosexual
03-11-2007, 12:15 PM
at the combine he probably ran a 4.48, but at the Tennenssee pro day he was clocked at the much faster time

remix 6
03-11-2007, 12:16 PM
No he is not one of the fastest WRs, he gets caught from behind all of the time.

He didn't run a 4.1 or .42, not even a 4.3, he ran a 4.48.

hes not the fastest but hes in the Fast group of WRs with Smith, Moss, Evans

idc if he didnt run a 4.1 or 4.2 but his speed is 4.3 . he ran 4.2something at pro day..maybe a 4.48 at combine. go ahead say whatever u want but dont ever tell me Nelson is a 4.3 Safety then..

bills_red
03-11-2007, 12:16 PM
Lee Evans and Roscoe Parrish are very fast.
Evans-4.33
Parrish-4.43

'cuse-213
03-11-2007, 12:16 PM
Cardinals, Jets.

fenikz
03-11-2007, 12:17 PM
The Bills

Roscoe Parrish & Lee Evans

they have to be up there


Fitz and Q aren't really fast, they more just, Out Jump, Out Catch & Out Class you in every other aspect

remix 6
03-11-2007, 12:20 PM
The Bills

Roscoe Parrish & Lee Evans

they have to be up there


Fitz and Q aren't really fast, they more just, Out Jump, Out Catch & Out Class you in every other aspect

and outmuscle you :) Boldin <--

etk
03-11-2007, 12:20 PM
Galloway and CJ would be a dynamite speed combo.

briz5x
03-11-2007, 12:35 PM
Stallworth and Jackson are both over 6 feet too that is pretty impressive.

TNewFan41
03-11-2007, 12:38 PM
40 times don't really mean much. Jerry rice ran a 4.7, and he outran everyone. T.O. ran a 4.55, yet once he gets behind you, your not catching him. He smoked champ bailey, who ran a 4.42.

remix 6
03-11-2007, 12:39 PM
40 times don't really mean much. Jerry rice ran a 4.7, and he outran everyone. T.O. ran a 4.55, yet once he gets behind you, your not catching him. He smoked champ bailey, who ran a 4.42.

yeah but Champ was hurting and Champ is faster than a 4.42

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 12:45 PM
Just because a team has two fast receivers doesn't mean much of anything. Sure it does pose problems in some area, but just because you are fast doesn't mean you will have the best WR tandem in the NFL. There are a lot of other factors that go into the WR position in the NFL. I know no one said best, but I figured I would put it out ther before anyone started saying something about it.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 12:46 PM
40 times don't really mean much. Jerry rice ran a 4.7, and he outran everyone. T.O. ran a 4.55, yet once he gets behind you, your not catching him. He smoked champ bailey, who ran a 4.42.

If forty times don't mean much, why have you started two posts that are based on forty times?

703SKINS202
03-11-2007, 12:59 PM
who has the fastest, punter kicker tandem?

Don Vito
03-11-2007, 01:03 PM
who has the fastest, punter kicker tandem?

My guess is Buffalo just because of Moorman.

BTW Stallworth is very fast, but Chad Jackson isn't even a starter so I would not even consider them a "tandem".

Rob S
03-11-2007, 01:03 PM
who has the fastest, punter kicker tandem?

Brian Moorman was a track star in college. Dont know about Lindell tho?

bigbluedefense
03-11-2007, 01:09 PM
Define fast. Some guys lack burst but have great top speed. Others have a great burst but lack top speed. Others have a nice balance between the 2.

Its difficult to say. Scheme also plays a role in how WRs are utilized, and the scheme used can either mask or exacerbate strengths and weaknesses.

Jonathan_VIlma
03-11-2007, 01:11 PM
Usually catching the ball helps receivers though. They can be as fast as they want, but if they have the dropsies they aren't going to last long with Belichick.

dware_94
03-11-2007, 01:11 PM
it's probably the bills...Lee Evans is ******* fast

briz5x
03-11-2007, 01:14 PM
My guess is Buffalo just because of Moorman.

BTW Stallworth is very fast, but Chad Jackson isn't even a starter so I would not even consider them a "tandem".

Jackson doesnt start "yet". He was a rookie last year and was injured alot. I think he will be starting soon, Jackson and Stallworth on the outside thats some speed to defend.

Komp
03-11-2007, 01:22 PM
Yah I'm with the Bills as well. I don't think I'd want to have to run down either Parrish [slick moves and very fast] or Evans [pure speed and can catch] in the open field. When it comes to pure speed/quickness I think the Bills take the cake.

PS - Wasn't there a game this year where Evans had two almost identical 50+ yd TD catches. You know you are fast when the defense is already on guard for it and than you burn them again.

49ersfan_87
03-11-2007, 01:27 PM
Not a WR tandem, but ashley lelie and vernon davis are pretty fast.

SuperMcGee
03-11-2007, 01:42 PM
Yah I'm with the Bills as well. I don't think I'd want to have to run down either Parrish [slick moves and very fast] or Evans [pure speed and can catch] in the open field. When it comes to pure speed/quickness I think the Bills take the cake.

PS - Wasn't there a game this year where Evans had two almost identical 50+ yd TD catches. You know you are fast when the defense is already on guard for it and than you burn them again.

He had two 83-yd TD catches against Houston
He also became the first player in really long time to have three 75+ yard TDs in a season

Microphon200
03-11-2007, 01:49 PM
If we all really want to know football speed, then how about getting a stopwatch and timing players from Point A to Point B. The 40 times at the combine mean absolutely nothing.

mikehop05
03-11-2007, 01:53 PM
The fastest time officially recorded by the NFL was 4.29 seconds by Deion Sanders in 1989 , although the NFL did not begin electronic timing until 1990.

thanks for quoting wikipedia

Man_Of_Steel
03-11-2007, 02:30 PM
Moss and Randle El
Evans and Roscoe Parrish aint bad either
To mix things up, Steve Smith and Drew Carter

briz5x
03-11-2007, 03:03 PM
Jackson will be starting as soon as he is healthy. Him and Stallworth with Welker in the slot, and Watson running the seam will be leathal. Our offense is incredibly fast, maybe the fastest in the entire league now.

Stallworth 6' 200lbs 4.25 40-yard dash.

Jackson 6'2 215lbs 4.32 40-yard dash.

Watson 6'3 255lbs 4.44 40-yard dash.

TheGunShow
03-11-2007, 03:10 PM
It comes down to what you are talking about -straight line, or football speed. In terms of football speed, Chad Jackson could use areas of improvement, although he is young and that potential is there.

Btw, the Dynasty, Randle El, I believe, had a 4.5ish 40 time, but what he has is excellent quickness.

4.37 at the combine.

Go_Eagles77
03-11-2007, 03:16 PM
Well it's not Reggie Brown and Hank Baskett.

neko4
03-11-2007, 03:16 PM
In Houston
jerome mathis 4.2(though he doesnt start)
and andre johnson is fast isnt he?

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 03:35 PM
Well it's not Reggie Brown and Hank Baskett.

That's for sure.

neko4
03-11-2007, 03:45 PM
who has the fastest, punter kicker tandem?

Whoever gets Podlesh

BuffaloDraftGeek
03-11-2007, 04:48 PM
Evan and Price
And if you include backups, Parrish is probably one of the fastest in the game.

briz5x
03-11-2007, 05:07 PM
Evan and Price
And if you include backups, Parrish is probably one of the fastest in the game.


Lee Evans 4.35
Chad Jackson 4.32

Peerless Price 4.4
Donte Stallworth 4.29

indyfan1985
03-11-2007, 05:18 PM
Donte Stallworth: 4.18 - 4.26
Chad Jackson: 4.32

is there a faster tandem?

Who cares!?!? Have you not noticed that speed isnt everything for a WR? You also have to stay heathy and catch the damn ball. You guys can sign all the players you want, but it wont help you get over that choke job against the eventual World Champs!!!

indyfan1985
03-11-2007, 05:24 PM
And by the way, Brady now has NO excuses for choking anymore in the playoffs since he has a pretty good WR and TE core along with a good young RB in Maroney. How do you like that now Pats fans?? Manning had to face the "no excuses" critisizm, now Brady has to.

Colts still have better WRs than the Pats though even after these signings. Id take Marvelous Harrison and Reggie Wayne anyday.

frogstomp
03-11-2007, 05:25 PM
Someone brought up the Jets...

No. Cotchery is by no means a fast receiver, and since his injury, Coles isn't nearly as fast as he used to be.

briz5x
03-11-2007, 05:25 PM
Who cares!?!? Have you not noticed that speed isnt everything for a WR? You also have to stay heathy and catch the damn ball. You guys can sign all the players you want, but it wont help you get over that choke job against the eventual World Champs!!!

oh god another indy fan in a state of dellusion. Wow you guys won 1 superbowl, the pats have won 3. Better hope you repeat next year or Dungy is gunna retire just like Cowher, and ya'll will be one year wonders.

Who said speed was everything btw? Were simply talking about the fastest wrs.

VoteLynnSwan
03-11-2007, 06:19 PM
This is probably one of the dumbest threads i've ever seen on this site... Just because a player is fast in Madden doesn't necessarily mean he's that fast in real life.

KILLERSANTA
03-11-2007, 07:00 PM
yea at a pro day...i dont believe that for a second. deon sanders cant run that fast.

Deon runs a 4.19 for breakfast

pantherfreak
03-11-2007, 07:37 PM
Steve Smith: 4.38 seconds (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-smith011906&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)
Drew Carter: 4.3 seconds (http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/drew_carter)

remix 6
03-11-2007, 07:46 PM
This is probably one of the dumbest threads i've ever seen on this site... Just because a player is fast in Madden doesn't necessarily mean he's that fast in real life.

your right. but in this case..the people mentioned are actually fast in real life..

HawkeyeFan
03-11-2007, 07:54 PM
Fastest - New England

Best - Cardinals

The Legend
03-11-2007, 08:10 PM
i think (i dont belive what he thinks) i want to know

Deion Sanders has the record 4.1 he beat Bo Jackson in 1989

and still has the record

The Unseen
03-11-2007, 08:10 PM
Matt Jones and Ernest Wilford.

Them's FAAAAST.

Woody56
03-11-2007, 08:20 PM
no football player has ever officially ran in the 4.1's, those storys are just myths. The fastest official 40 time ever recorded at the combine was by Fabian Washington with a 4.25.

fenikz
03-11-2007, 08:35 PM
Many reported times are unreliable due to differences in timing methods if not intentional falsifications. The fastest time officially recorded by the NFL was 4.29 seconds by Deion Sanders in 1989, although the NFL did not begin electronic timing until 1990. In the electronic timing era, the fastest recorded time at the NFL Combine was 4.25 seconds (hand time) by cornerback Fabian Washington in 2005. However, his official time at the 2005 Combine was 4.31 seconds


so deion still has the fastest recorded time with a 4.29

Borat
03-11-2007, 09:21 PM
And by the way, Brady now has NO excuses for choking anymore in the playoffs since he has a pretty good WR and TE core along with a good young RB in Maroney. How do you like that now Pats fans?? Manning had to face the "no excuses" critisizm, now Brady has to.

Colts still have better WRs than the Pats though even after these signings. Id take Marvelous Harrison and Reggie Wayne anyday.

Wow, this guy is bitter. Ha. Hey guy, your team just won the Super Bowl. Let everything else go man.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
03-11-2007, 09:21 PM
Lee Evans
Parish

End Thread

Craigo
03-11-2007, 10:35 PM
You know whats ironic?

The Cardinals might have the slowest starting WR's in the league (by 40 times). And it's still the best combo in the league by far. Seriously, who's got slower 40 times?
Boldin 4.72
Fitzgerald 4.63

Goes to show how 40 times are extremely overrated.

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-11-2007, 11:04 PM
Im pretty sure that only Bo and Galloway are the only guys to run a 4.18.

doingthisinsteadofwork
03-11-2007, 11:08 PM
And by the way, Brady now has NO excuses for choking anymore in the playoffs since he has a pretty good WR and TE core along with a good young RB in Maroney. How do you like that now Pats fans?? Manning had to face the "no excuses" critisizm, now Brady has to.

Colts still have better WRs than the Pats though even after these signings. Id take Marvelous Harrison and Reggie Wayne anyday.

Im just wondering was this even necessary?or relevant?

Mr. Stiller
03-11-2007, 11:26 PM
Well the rams duo were pretty fast in their time

Bruce/Holt.

Williams and Furrey deserve a mention.

Seattle has about 19 Startable WR's so atleast 2 of those have to be pretty fast.

sodar21
03-11-2007, 11:28 PM
Joey Galloway and Calvin Johnson.

geaux tigers
03-12-2007, 12:18 AM
any thoughts on what month chad jackson would be back?

stallworth is known for blazing it deep, not so much for chad jackson.

cunningham06
03-12-2007, 12:29 AM
If Drew Carter ever starts opposite Steve Smith they will blow all competition away.

briz5x
03-12-2007, 12:37 AM
any thoughts on what month chad jackson would be back?

stallworth is known for blazing it deep, not so much for chad jackson.

well some sources say he only had a partial tear of his acl. I mean did anyone see Jackson get injured in the Colts game? If he completely tore his acl wouldnt he be sprawled on the ground holding his knee like Javon Walker or any other player that completely tore their acl? He also had surgery only 4 days after the Colts game, usually it takes 2 weeks for the swelling to go down so they can operate. I think he had a Grade II partial tear of his acl and quickly had surgery to fix it, and he will have 9 months to heal before the season. He probably will play in the last couple of preseason games and be ready to go by the start of the season. People are saying he is out for 2007 and i really dont think that will be the case.

"An elite athlete who has had a technically well performed early reconstruction of the anterior cruciate ligament followed by an adequate and successful rehabilitation program, should be able to return to the field of his chosen sport between six and nine months. This has been achieved in many Australian, Olympic and professional athletes.""

thats for a full tear and Jackson only had a partial tear.

LonghornsLegend
03-12-2007, 02:53 AM
yea really, he magically shaved that much time of his forty lol... gimme a break if he was that fast hed be the most coveted receiver in the league. he never would have gotten traded from the saints.

since when did being good stop you from being traded?

BuffaloDraftGeek
03-12-2007, 08:32 PM
You know whats ironic?

The Cardinals might have the slowest starting WR's in the league (by 40 times). And it's still the best combo in the league by far. Seriously, who's got slower 40 times?
Boldin 4.72
Fitzgerald 4.63

Goes to show how 40 times are extremely overrated.

Best combo? That's a stretch if I ever heard one...

fenikz
03-12-2007, 09:09 PM
i dont see how that is a stretch, but the point is irrelevant

throwback54milkman
03-12-2007, 10:08 PM
Coles ran a sick 40, but is up in age now and Cotchery is really fast, we all saw that on that 80 yard catch in the playoffs. Kinda underrated.

Phrost
03-14-2007, 09:27 PM
And by the way, Brady now has NO excuses for choking anymore in the playoffs since he has a pretty good WR and TE core along with a good young RB in Maroney. How do you like that now Pats fans?? Manning had to face the "no excuses" critisizm, now Brady has to.

Colts still have better WRs than the Pats though even after these signings. Id take Marvelous Harrison and Reggie Wayne anyday.
Dear Manning, (and ignorant fans)
Thanks for the brilliant info you just passed on. Sorry I couldn't hack it in the playoffs...

Signed,
Tom Brady

PS: (I still have three championships, to your one ring, with half the offensive help)

Dam8610
03-14-2007, 09:45 PM
PS: (I still have three championships, to your one ring, with half the offensive help)

and 10 million times the defensive help.

Phrost
03-14-2007, 09:49 PM
and 10 million times the defensive help.
Defense wasn't brought up by him. He said that Brady choked because of an offensive lack of talent.

Give it up Colts Fans, Manning has nothing on Brady until he matches the 3 rings that Brady has.

A player is defined by Rings, not TD records, or game preparedness.

niel89
03-14-2007, 10:02 PM
Defense wasn't brought up by him. He said that Brady choked because of an offensive lack of talent.

Give it up Colts Fans, Manning has nothing on Brady until he matches the 3 rings that Brady has.

A player is defined by Rings, not TD records, or game preparedness.
while ring are very important to the judgment of a players career, mannings other records and the fact that he has been the best qb the last couple of years will be also very important. manning has flat out shown that his is the best qb in the league with his play.

Phrost
03-14-2007, 10:05 PM
while ring are very important to the judgment of a players career, mannings other records and the fact that he has been the best qb the last couple of years will be also very important. manning has flat out shown that his is the best qb in the league with his play.
Not only does Brady have 3 rings, he has Giselle. :roll:

niel89
03-14-2007, 10:05 PM
Not only does Brady have 3 rings, he has Giselle. :roll:

6'2" 230 lb w/ a laser rocket arm

Phrost
03-14-2007, 10:09 PM
6'2" 230 lb w/ a laser rocket arm

:D ten characters

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Dam8610
03-14-2007, 10:42 PM
Defense wasn't brought up by him. He said that Brady choked because of an offensive lack of talent.

I was addressing what you said, which had to do with the 3 championships to which Brady rode his defense and kicker.

Give it up Colts Fans, Manning has nothing on Brady until he matches the 3 rings that Brady has.

I wonder, will it ever end? Seriously, what does Manning have to do before it's finally enough? Win the Super Bowl with the statistically worst defense ever to win one? Oh wait, he just did that. Just because Brady rode great defenses to championships doesn't mean he's a better QB. When has Brady ever led a comeback drive in a big spot?

A player is defined by Rings, not TD records, or game preparedness.

So Terry Bradshaw is the greatest QB of all-time? If you honestly think that, you should just leave now.