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Ozzy
11-24-2009, 01:55 PM
Offensive Line:
http://www.bostonmagazine.com/images/uploads/articles/0408CJ_logoBCoriginal(925).jpg A. Castonzo, T. Claiborne, M. Tennant, R. Lapham, M.Goodman Jr

http://isportsweb.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/gator-logo.jpgM. Pouncey, M. Pouncey, M. Gilbert, C. Johnson, M. Hunt

http://haymanservices.com/yahoo_site_admin2/assets/images/61-61232_ncaa_iowa_hawkeyes_logo_prod.157201101.jpgIo wa B. Bulaga, K. Calloway, R. Reiff, D. Richardson, R. Eubanks

http://www.vector-logos.com/files/tumbs/065/064983.gifD. DeCastro, J. Martin, C. Marinelli, A. Phillip

http://www.red24bags.com/images/logos/ALABAMA_logo.gifJ. Carpenter, M. Johnson, D. Davis, D. Fluker







Defensive Line:
http://www.red24bags.com/images/logos/NEBRASKA_logo.gifN. Suh, J. Crick, B. Turner, P. Allen, B. Steinkuhler

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/c1/Ohio_State_Buckeyes_logo.svg/100px-Ohio_State_Buckeyes_logo.svg.pngC. Heyward, T. Gibson, D. Worthington, J. Simon, R. Rose

http://images.coolchaser.com/themes/t/75353-i145.photobucket.com-albums-r207-pigskinpals-PittsburghPanthers.gifJ. Sheard, G. Romeous, G. Mustakas, E. Williams

http://haymanservices.com/yahoo_site_admin2/assets/images/61-61232_ncaa_iowa_hawkeyes_logo_prod.157201101.jpgA. Clayborn, B. Binns, C. Ballard, K. Klug

http://www.viewfromrockytop.com/wp-images/logos/oklahoma_logo.pngG. McCoy, A. Taylor, A. English, J. Beal, F. Alexander







TE/FB:
http://images.coolchaser.com/themes/t/75353-i145.photobucket.com-albums-r207-pigskinpals-PittsburghPanthers.gifH. Hynoski, N. Byham, D. Dickerson

http://www.vector-logos.com/files/tumbs/065/064983.gif O. Marecic, C. Fleener, J. Dray

http://www.red24bags.com/images/logos/ALABAMA_logo.gifP. Dial, C. Peek, B. Smelley






My criteria for each position was a combination of depth, production and overall talent level.

USC should be included in the offensive line group but the loss of O’Dowd really changed that offensive line and they have not played up to their potential this season at all. USF has a great defensive line but it is basically all their ends doing the work.


I also included the FB/TE position because with each individual school, the FB/TE combination is just an extension of the offensive line and is a major key in that teams success running the football. Thus they should get some credit too.

Any team I missed, I was going to include LSU's offensive line but they have not played all that well this year, and sure one could include Florida's defensive line but really their stars are in the secondary and with the linebackers.

Don Vito
11-24-2009, 02:02 PM
Pretty cool thread, I would still mention Ole Miss among the top DL's even with Hardy out. At end there is Lockett, Tillman, and Stephens with Powe, Scott, Laurent, and Armour at DT. Our DL is amazing, has been the strong point of the team for 3 years.

nepg
11-24-2009, 02:08 PM
Castonzo's one of the better OT's to come out of BC, and that's obviously saying something... Ditto for Claiborne at OG, and Lapham for that matter... It's really a shame that BC doesn't have a veteran QB (not that Shinskie hasn't had some amazing games) this year because this is definitely one of the best OL's they've had, and they have the WRs, TEs, and RBs to do some real damage if they had a veteran passer. No Herzlich obviously hurts, too.

Babylon
11-24-2009, 02:16 PM
I'd go with Stanford for what they've done with Toby Gerhart this year, the way they can pull a guard and a TE to double down on the defenses ends and tackles is amazing.

Defensively it has to be Nebraska soley because of Suh and Crick although i would say Florida might be better overrall.

Ozzy
11-24-2009, 02:27 PM
Don Vito: Pretty cool thread, I would still mention Ole Miss among the top DL's even with Hardy out. At end there is Lockett, Tillman, and Stephens with Powe, Scott, Laurent, and Armour at DT. Our DL is amazing, has been the strong point of the team for 3 years.That is true, they are very talented but yeah with Hardy's moderately down year I am not sure they produce on the field the way they really should. I am not as high on guys like Laurent, Armour or Scott so that is probably why I did not rate them as high. Powe I love in the middle though with his low center of gravity.



Babylon: I'd go with Stanford for what they've done with Toby Gerhart this year, the way they can pull a guard and a TE to double down on the defenses ends and tackles is amazing.Very true, Martin I think is a real star as a young offensive lineman, and DeCastro is killer when he pulls from his guard position. Only reason I do not have them higher is that Marecic might be their best run blocker at full back, he is just a rare talent at full back.



nepg: Castonzo's one of the better OT's to come out of BC, and that's obviously saying something... Ditto for Claiborne at OG, and Lapham for that matter... It's really a shame that BC doesn't have a veteran QB (not that Shinskie hasn't had some amazing games) this year because this is definitely one of the best OL's they've had, and they have the WRs, TEs, and RBs to do some real damage if they had a veteran passer. No Herzlich obviously hurts, too.Very true but just a few years ago, around 2005 they had Josh Beekman, Gosder Cherilus, Jeremy Trueblood, James Marten and Pat Ross. So it is nothing new for them, is this group better than that one? Well Claiborne I think is better than Beekman, Castonzo might be better than Cherilus but that is a tough one and guys like Tennant and Lapham are a lot like Marten and Trueblood, just huge massive men.

Insane how they keep getting offensive lineman but they do, regardless of the teams success.

ToldLikeItIs
11-24-2009, 02:34 PM
I'll go with Iowa as a OL/DL combination.

You could add Vandervelde to the OL, and Daniels, Hundertmark to the DL.

Florida's DL should probably be up there.

Halsey
11-24-2009, 02:40 PM
Most fans think they know more about judging lineman than they actually do. How many of you actually watch lineman and scout them during the game? Unless you have game tape, that's pretty hard, since the camera usually doesn't focus on the lineman. Fans generally judge lineman based on reputation and what actual analysts like Scott say.

Case in point: How may of you think Fluker is having a great year for Bama? Well, the thing is, he hasn't played this year. He's being reshirted. At least he was up until a couple of weeks ago. If you thought Fluker was a big part of Bama's O-line this year, you were going by the fact that he was a big time recruit, not what he's actually done, or not done, on the field. I'm not trying to be mean, just point out the reality that most fans overestimate their ability to judge lineman.

Ozzy
11-24-2009, 02:59 PM
Halsey Case in point: How may of you think Fluker is having a great year for Bama? Well, the thing is, he hasn't played this year. He's being reshirted. At least he was up until a couple of weeks ago. If you thought Fluker was a big part of Bama's O-line this year, you were going by the fact that he was a big time recruit, not what he's actually done, or not done, on the field. I'm not trying to be mean, just point out the reality that most fans overestimate their ability to judge lineman.Fluker was included as a potential talent and adds to the overall group, true he is not dominating this year but hard to argue his potential. It is kind of like last year including Tyron Smith on USC to the OL, now the kid rarely played at all but he had a lot of potential and ability and now starts.


Unless you have game tapeI have game tape, however the camera angel on television is terrible and it would be a lot easier done in person. I agree however, it is hard to scout lineman, but then again more often than not the biggest and most physical ones always get a shot in the NFL. Name that comes to mind right away is Terrence Pennington of New Mexico, now was he great in college, no but he got drafted and got on a NFL roster. Why, because he is freaking huge. Any large offensive lineman that shows any athletic ability what so ever will have a chance to be drafted more often than not. Jeff Willis is one of the rare exceptions, and that is because he is out of shape and cannot even run block at 340 pounds.

Fans generally judge lineman based on reputation and what actual analysts like Scott say. I have not even looked at Mr. Wright's rankings this year, plus the fact he does not cover FR, SOPH or JR prospects which would make doing a list like this quite hard.


I get what you are saying however.

Ozzy
11-24-2009, 03:04 PM
Florida's DL should probably be up there.I find it so hard to put Florida over any of the current teams listed. They got Dunlap, Cunningham, Sanders, Trattou, Howard etc. Just not sure they out produce any of those other schools though. They are good but not at the same level when they had Moss, Harvey, Cohen, S. Harris and McDonald in my opinion.

Don Vito
11-25-2009, 08:59 AM
Castonzo is a stud, plays tough and is a super athlete for his size. Very quick. Claiborne is big and tough with some nice athleticism, this BC OL is really special. As nepg said it is a shame they don't have Matty Ice back there, that team would be good. Pretty much every thing that could have gone wrong for BC this year has and they are still having a pretty good season.

Sniper
11-25-2009, 09:07 AM
he is not dominating this year

He's not dominating because he's not playing, hence the redshirt.

nepg
11-25-2009, 09:37 AM
Very true but just a few years ago, around 2005 they had Josh Beekman, Gosder Cherilus, Jeremy Trueblood, James Marten and Pat Ross. So it is nothing new for them, is this group better than that one? Well Claiborne I think is better than Beekman, Castonzo might be better than Cherilus but that is a tough one and guys like Tennant and Lapham are a lot like Marten and Trueblood, just huge massive men.

Insane how they keep getting offensive lineman but they do, regardless of the teams success.

In terms of Pro Potential, this group is probably better. It's close, that was a damn good group. But Tennant's better than Ross. It's tough for me to say whether Castonzo is better than Cherilus...I can't go there as Cherilus might be my favorite lineman of all-time.

brat316
11-25-2009, 09:46 AM
I have game tape, however the camera angel on television is terrible and it would be a lot easier done in person.





Funny thing, usually if someone new says this, I have game tape its TIVOed games, or I watch youtube plays and analyze the players we bash the **** out of them.

The board as a whole has done this, yet you get a free pass.

Ozzy
11-25-2009, 01:15 PM
nepg: In terms of Pro Potential, this group is probably better. It's close, that was a damn good group. But Tennant's better than Ross. It's tough for me to say whether Castonzo is better than Cherilus...I can't go there as Cherilus might be my favorite lineman of all-time.Goodman Jr could be a real great one down the road for them as a young player, and I agree Tennant is better than Ross, odd this was I think Tennant was on the roster when they had Cherlius in 05 but Tennant redshirted that year clearly.



sniper: He's not dominating because he's not playing, hence the redshirt.Preseason scrimmages on ESPNU are wonderful.

Sniper
11-25-2009, 01:19 PM
Preseason scrimmages on ESPNU are wonderful.

You're seriously basing your opinion of Fluker on a spring game? Seriously, it's like you try to hit new levels of stupidity every time.

nepg
11-25-2009, 02:00 PM
Goodman Jr could be a real great one down the road for them as a young player, and I agree Tennant is better than Ross, odd this was I think Tennant was on the roster when they had Cherlius in 05 but Tennant redshirted that year clearly.



Preseason scrimmages on ESPNU are wonderful.
It was a close competition between Tennant and Kevin Sheridan early on. Tennant has proven to be much better.

niel89
11-25-2009, 05:49 PM
Marecic from Stanford is a great fullback. I can really see him playing at the next level for sure.

Vox Populi
11-25-2009, 06:01 PM
Didn't read the rest of the responses. But it needs some TCU on the defensive side.