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herniateddisc
11-27-2009, 09:21 AM
Taking bets ...

5 Years @ $8MM per with $25 upfront?

M.O.T.H.
11-27-2009, 10:24 AM
Extremely difficult to predict because, of the demise of the labor agreement. Austin wont even be an unrestricted FA anymore, he'll still be restricted.

Adam Schefter was saying today that he doesnt believe an agreement will be met so, things are going to get messy with an uncapped year. A lot of guys who were supposed to be unrestricted will be restricted. So a lot of guys expecting to bank in will not be doing so.

This would actually become the norm in the NFL with no cap. Players stay restricted for longer so, the FA pool would be thin. So those players that hit the FA pool are going to be grossly over paid for. And the smaller market teams dont have to spend a penny if they dont want to, while Jerry and Snyder go the way of the Yankees and Red Sox. And this would piss me off like no other. Baseball's situation is awful...I pray it doesnt come to this but, Schefter certainly thinks it's going to happen.

D-Unit
11-27-2009, 12:52 PM
I'm not an expert on what's going to happen. But it would really surprise me if the owners went into it like the wild wild west... spending like there's no tomorrow. Eventually the cap will return and owners will still have to account for the money spent. They'll shoot themselves in the foot if they go overboard. I think naturally the money will be more, just like it's more and more EVERY year... but that players will benefit more from contracts being FRONT LOADED rather than BACK LOADED.

M.O.T.H.
11-27-2009, 02:46 PM
Most believe that if it goes uncapped, the cap may never return. While players think an uncapped situation favors them, it favors the owners more. Neither will be rushing to get a cap back. It could become very similar to baseball...huge market teams get everyone and anyone that is available and some of the smaller market teams have a minimum spending limit they'll sit at. It's the worse thing that could happen to football.

D-Unit
11-27-2009, 03:16 PM
Most believe that if it goes uncapped, the cap may never return. While players think an uncapped situation favors them, it favors the owners more. Neither will be rushing to get a cap back. It could become very similar to baseball...huge market teams get everyone and anyone that is available and some of the smaller market teams have a minimum spending limit they'll sit at. It's the worse thing that could happen to football.
Most? Who is "most"? The players will give in. Why? Because only a few (the stars) will benefit from no cap, while the majority won't. In fact, the majority probably be paid less. There's a reason why the NFL went from an uncapped situation to a capped one, in the first place.

M.O.T.H.
11-27-2009, 03:27 PM
Most? Who is "most"? The players will give in. Why? Because only a few (the stars) will benefit from no cap, while the majority won't. In fact, the majority probably be paid less. There's a reason why the NFL went from an uncapped situation to a capped one, in the first place.

Whenever it's discussed, everyone seems to think that this is the way the NFL is going to end up. Even Schefter today, eluded to as much. There has been no progress in CBA talks according Schefter and it doesnt look great down the line either at the moment. Yes the players want an agreement, but they're extremely far apart on the matter. Jerry got fined a few months ago when he talked about how he expects the league to go uncapped and stay uncapped.

And as for a one year uncapped year...I dont think we would spend like crazy either. You have to be careful that year, just in case. I only brought it up because, you dont even have to re-sign Miles to a lengthy deal if there is no cap. Technically, he'd still be able to be tendered because, the restriction rules change. So, it's very tough to say what's going to happen when talking about Miles. He's not going anywhere but, his contract is certainly up in the air.

LonghornsLegend
11-27-2009, 03:33 PM
Austin is averaging 19.6 yards a catch right now. The most Randy Moss ever averaged is 19 his rookie year, and 18.7 in another, that's a pretty ridiculous rate Austin is going at now, wonder if he can actually finish above 19. Not sure of the numbers but there haven't been many to finish that high with an abundance of targets/catches.


Something I've been following the past month or so, he also has 8 TD's which is nearly leading the league. He sure is making a case to get paid I do know that and there is no doubt at this point he's our #1 WR and will be paid accordingly. At least if there is no cap we can get away with not paying for giving Roy that much money.


I wonder how sick some of us would have been if Austin was doing this for the Jets and we had a 2nd round pick that was injured or not panning out lol.

M.O.T.H.
11-27-2009, 03:34 PM
With our luck, that 2nd round pick would have joined the rest of our rookies who are on IR.

D-Unit
11-27-2009, 03:35 PM
Affording Miles isn't going to be a problem. Everyone thinks the Cowboys will be one of the teams who benefit most from the uncapped year anyways.

I hope Stephen Jones restructures Roy's contract though.

My bet on Austin... 5 years... starts off at $5M that escalates to 7M.

M.O.T.H.
11-27-2009, 03:36 PM
It wont be a problem but if you can tender him, they'd probably rather do that then shell out a giant multi-million deal, capped or uncapped. And an uncapped year makes him eligible for another tender. Schefter was going over all this crap today...gah the league is going to change so much. I just hope it doesnt stay that way.

D-Unit
11-27-2009, 03:38 PM
With our luck, that 2nd round pick would have joined the rest of our rookies who are on IR.
Nah, Jerry would've traded it for 2 5ths. LOL. I really hate what he did in the last draft. All 3 safeties...Delmas, Sean Smith, Jairus Byrd are doing REALLY well. My fav... Maualuga is tearin' it up for the revamped Bengals D.

D-Unit
11-27-2009, 03:41 PM
It wont be a problem but if you can tender him, they'd probably rather do that then shell out a giant multi-million deal, capped or uncapped. And an uncapped year makes him eligible for another tender. Schefter was going over all this crap today...gah the league is going to change so much. I just hope it doesnt stay that way.
What did he say about the draft? Will it be like baseball's as well? Eric Berry to Dallas at pick 28?

Thing I don't like about tenders is that you can be trapped into paying him more. Look at how the Seahawks lost Hutchinson. They tried to low ball him and then lost him when he got too expensive. Might as well agree to something than have another team dictate the cost. Outside of Roy's contract Stephen Jones has done an outstanding job handling contracts.

LonghornsLegend
11-27-2009, 03:41 PM
Nah, Jerry would've traded it for 2 5ths. LOL. I really hate what he did in the last draft. All 3 safeties...Delmas, Sean Smith, Jairus Byrd are doing REALLY well. My fav... Maualuga is tearin' it up for the revamped Bengals D.

You were really high on Byrd early in the process, and he's been amazing this year, literally. Haven't checked up on your boy from Tech to see how he's doing in Denver, but Byrd has been a steal and looks like he can make the all-pro team. Who knew he had those type of ball skills, well maybe you did but damn had I known he would of even been half this good this soon I would of been on board with you lol.


Smith we should have taken too, that one was hard to swallow for me.

M.O.T.H.
11-27-2009, 03:46 PM
I wanted Delmas in the worst way...didnt have a shot at him, though. We could have realistically came away with Sean Smith and Jason Williams. That would have been great in my book.

Adding a versatile guy like Smith would have been a fantastic pick.

M.O.T.H.
11-27-2009, 03:48 PM
What did he say about the draft? Will it be like baseball's as well? Eric Berry to Dallas at pick 28?

Thing I don't like about tenders is that you can be trapped into paying him more. Look at how the Seahawks lost Hutchinson. They tried to low ball him and then lost him when he got too expensive. Might as well agree to something than have another team dictate the cost. Outside of Roy's contract Stephen Jones has done an outstanding job handling contracts.

He didnt bring up the draft...I dont know what would happen. It better not resemble baseball's draft, what a freaking joke that is.

Seriously, the smaller market teams normally cant even risk taking the best player because, that player wont sign. It's a garbage set up.

LonghornsLegend
11-27-2009, 04:00 PM
I wanted Delmas in the worst way.

I did too, I just figured it wasn't realistic unless we traded up which we easily could have. But then Hamlin has alot of money tied up in our team, so we would have basically had to axe him the very next season, and I guess we weren't ready to make a move up for a Safety when we wanted to see what Hamlin was going ot do this year.


Speaking of which, haven't noticed a drop off with him gone either, which I didn't expect at all. I want Sensabaugh back, and with this uncapped situation it could be possible, but he's just got some range and playmaking ability that we sorely needed back there.

D-Unit
11-27-2009, 05:56 PM
I did too, I just figured it wasn't realistic unless we traded up which we easily could have. But then Hamlin has alot of money tied up in our team, so we would have basically had to axe him the very next season, and I guess we weren't ready to make a move up for a Safety when we wanted to see what Hamlin was going ot do this year.


Speaking of which, haven't noticed a drop off with him gone either, which I didn't expect at all. I want Sensabaugh back, and with this uncapped situation it could be possible, but he's just got some range and playmaking ability that we sorely needed back there.
Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't even realize it. We are playing well without Hamlin.

M.O.T.H.
11-28-2009, 01:08 AM
Ball is so bad, though. So we'll be that much better when we upgrade at the position.

herniateddisc
11-28-2009, 07:17 AM
I did too, I just figured it wasn't realistic unless we traded up which we easily could have. But then Hamlin has alot of money tied up in our team, so we would have basically had to axe him the very next season, and I guess we weren't ready to make a move up for a Safety when we wanted to see what Hamlin was going ot do this year. Speaking of which, haven't noticed a drop off with him gone either, which I didn't expect at all.

Not expected given all the critiques by this Board?

You really feel that?

Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't even realize it. We are playing well without Hamlin.

My game notes ...

8) Did we miss Ken Hamlin? No? Yeah, cut him too. Another loser who is so easily replaced as to be sickening. ....

You could read my posts and be ahead of the curve too! In fact, I think LL does all the time in spite of his repeated denials.

Hope the Turkey went down smooth.

M.O.T.H.
11-28-2009, 09:43 AM
Bob, people have been bashing Kenny Hamlin for a looooooong time, man. It started last year.

Even after the Sensabaugh signing in March a lot of us still wanted to go S because, it was a question mark with those two. Hamlin had a down year after the new contract and everyone was aware. I wanted Delmas, Johnson, or Smith. Some others wanted them as well, Mcbath's name was thrown around, Chung, Byrd, etc.

LonghornsLegend
11-28-2009, 10:30 AM
Not expected given all the critiques by this Board?

You really feel that?





You could read my posts and be ahead of the curve too! In fact, I think LL does all the time in spite of his repeated denials.

Hope the Turkey went down smooth.


What do you want, more credit for something? Someone to pat you on the head and tell you 'good job Bob'? The only time I read your post are when you get quoted or when someone responds to you directly. I didn't know I had any "repeated denials", but of course your arrogance is always on full force and always makes you believe you were the first to come to any conclusion about this team before anyone else, and you HAVE to make everyone try and tell you that you were so right about it. That's a little pathetic to me.


Your on my ignore list with more then 3 names, I really don't care if you think your that special or not, but I'd rather not argue with you about the same silly topics every single week. Nor am I interested in reading anything you have to say so you can run around like a little kid telling everyone how right you were and how you said this before and beating it into everyone's head over and over for constant praise.

D-Unit
11-28-2009, 11:35 AM
Classic Bob. Sometimes I wonder how many potential new posters you've turned away with the way you speak about yourself and talk down upon others.

Modano
11-28-2009, 01:15 PM
According to Rotoworld, Hamlin's contract makes hime easy cutable this offseason.

herniateddisc
11-28-2009, 03:23 PM
What do you want, more credit for something? Someone to pat you on the head and tell you 'good job Bob'? The only time I read your post are when you get quoted or when someone responds to you directly. I didn't know I had any "repeated denials", but of course your arrogance is always on full force and always makes you believe you were the first to come to any conclusion about this team before anyone else, and you HAVE to make everyone try and tell you that you were so right about it. That's a little pathetic to me.


Your on my ignore list with more then 3 names, I really don't care if you think your that special or not, but I'd rather not argue with you about the same silly topics every single week. Nor am I interested in reading anything you have to say so you can run around like a little kid telling everyone how right you were and how you said this before and beating it into everyone's head over and over for constant praise.

If you are responding then at least answer the question, are you really surprised we played as well without him then with him??

I was not taking credit for anything about Hamlin -- read the post carefully. I was calling into account D-Unit giving LL credit for something very specific which I pointed out earlier.

But, no I am certainly not the only person to call out his play since last year. So don't put words in my mouth.

Good day.

D-Unit
11-28-2009, 07:04 PM
Like Moth said, bashing Hamlin isn't new. But it's one thing to bash him and think you're right... And another thing when he's out of the game and we realize that our bashing was justified. LL pointed out the later. I simply said that he made a good point. It's laughable that you made a fuss about the credit not being sourced back to you. *shakes head*

MetSox17
11-28-2009, 07:11 PM
It's laughable that you made a fuss about the credit not being sourced back to you. *shakes head*

At this point, are we really surprised anymore?

PACKmanN
11-28-2009, 08:31 PM
how does 1 good year out of 4 get you 8 million a season? Jennings makes 10 million a year and had 2 good years straight before he got that money...

herniateddisc
11-28-2009, 09:04 PM
Like Moth said, bashing Hamlin isn't new. But it's one thing to bash him and think you're right... And another thing when he's out of the game and we realize that our bashing was justified. LL pointed out the later. I simply said that he made a good point. It's laughable that you made a fuss about the credit not being sourced back to you. *shakes head*

But I made the point much earlier and got nothing.

No fuss, just a fact. I am interested in group dynamics by training. Interesting that is all.

herniateddisc
11-28-2009, 09:05 PM
At this point, are we really surprised anymore?

Ah, yes, pile on groupie. Never too far away in this forest.

Where you being spoken to? Juss saying.

herniateddisc
11-28-2009, 09:16 PM
how does 1 good year out of 4 get you 8 million a season? Jennings makes 10 million a year and had 2 good years straight before he got that money...

Have you seen Roy Williams contract? Now ask yourself if Austin is worth $8MM per.

D-Unit
11-28-2009, 09:24 PM
But I made the point much earlier and got nothing.

No fuss, just a fact. I am interested in group dynamics by training. Interesting that is all.
Obviously I missed it. It happens. I've credited you with plenty in the past, so whatever point you're trying to make about "group dynamics"... puhlease... quit self pitying yourself.

herniateddisc
11-28-2009, 09:28 PM
... quit self pitying yourself.

Yes sir Mr Unit.

LonghornsLegend
11-28-2009, 10:35 PM
how does 1 good year out of 4 get you 8 million a season? Jennings makes 10 million a year and had 2 good years straight before he got that money...

So he should be paid for what he did in his 3 years prior? Come on man, he's a FA, you should know how that goes whenever your contract is up. What do you think he should be paid then?


There is no way around the fact if he finishes this year top 10 statistically in most WR categories that he would not garner that type of contract. You can't try to give someone a contract due to the fact that he was developing prior as a UDFA.


What do you think Sidney Rice would get if he was a Free Agent at the end of this year? Or do you think he would not get 7-8 mil a year because it took him to this year to break out?

LSUALUM99
11-29-2009, 11:05 AM
According to Rotoworld, Hamlin's contract makes hime easy cutable this offseason.

Everyone becomes cuttable this offseason due to the potential of no salary cap. Who cares if you escalate the pro-rated portion of a signing bonus if there is no limit to the amount of money you are alloted? The money is spent already it's just a paper accelration.

Even if they eventually do have a cap, if there were just a momentary reprieve from that pro-ration then Dallas (and every team for that matter) could get rid of the garbage contracts they have (Flozell, Roy, Hamlin) in order to start 'fresh' and let the players that are performing actually become the players that get paid.

It may actually be the best possible scenario for a team like the Redskins who have tons of bad contracts on their roster.

D-Unit
11-29-2009, 11:56 AM
Everyone becomes cuttable this offseason due to the potential of no salary cap. Who cares if you escalate the pro-rated portion of a signing bonus if there is no limit to the amount of money you are alloted? The money is spent already it's just a paper accelration.

Even if they eventually do have a cap, if there were just a momentary reprieve from that pro-ration then Dallas (and every team for that matter) could get rid of the garbage contracts they have (Flozell, Roy, Hamlin) in order to start 'fresh' and let the players that are performing actually become the players that get paid.

It may actually be the best possible scenario for a team like the Redskins who have tons of bad contracts on their roster.
Hmmm, that's an interesting point of view. It will be interesting to see it play out.

I think the Redskins would get rid of their contracts, but at the same time dish out new ludicrous ones. LOL.

I wish we could cut Flozell, but I don't think it's possible this year. He's still not easily replaced. Even if we drafted a LT in Round 1 and I'm not sure if Free is our future at LT. He very well could be. We will find out come draft time. If the Cowboys look at LTs, then Free isn't considered the answer yet. If they don't, then Free is obviously who the team has in mind for the position long term.

shane_man
12-02-2009, 04:06 AM
I would hope he just get's resigned. That's pretty much all. Pay him whatever he wants. Just make sure he is locked down for as long as necessary. He's a special kid since fixing up his hands. And when he's hot. He's white hot.

If he get's over 10 TD's this year. That's a ridiculous season for a relative rookie. Just pay him whatever it takes to keep him. Simple as that.

Burns336
12-05-2009, 01:20 AM
I hope there is no cap so we can cut roy.

I honestly believe that Sam Hurd or Kevin Olgletree would be more effective playing in place of him.

LonghornsLegend
01-21-2010, 08:09 PM
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones indicated Thursday that he's eager to sign restricted free agent Miles Austin to a long-term deal.

Jerry's son, executive VP Stephen Jones, wasn't ready to talk about a long-term extension for Austin after his NFL record 421 yards in his first two starts. Austin's dominant performance in the second half of the season erased all doubts, however. His agent can start with Roy Williams' ludicrous five-year, $45 million deal and go from there. Jan. 21 - 4:47 pm et
Source: ESPNDallas.com


Looks like this is in the works, will be glad to have him here for a long time.

D-Unit
01-21-2010, 08:28 PM
Looks like this is in the works, will be glad to have him here for a long time.
That's scary money tied up in the WR position. Further evidence leading me to believe that WR will be a strong first round consideration. The time to get one is NOW so they don't have to be forced in right away.

LonghornsLegend
01-21-2010, 08:40 PM
That's scary money tied up in the WR position. Further evidence leading me to believe that WR will be a strong first round consideration. The time to get one is NOW so they don't have to be forced in right away.

Roy will probably be gone before it's an issue, and while I don't love the idea of a WR early, Golden Tate or Mardy Gilyard would easily change my stance on that :D Still don't want to bump Ogletree too far down because he needs more playing time.


I know he's an UDFA, but I kinda look at it like, if he was a 1st rounder, then we had Austin and Roy at least for another year would we still be taking a WR? I don't think so. Granted he wasn't a 1st rounder but I think he's at worst a very good #3 WR and probably takes that spot from Crayton(as I've told MOTH a few times before lol). Still though, there are a few WR's in the draft I'd gladly welcome and if it takes them a year or 2 to develop Roy will be gone by then and Patty will be old as hell.