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SuperKevin
11-29-2009, 02:04 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4698164

The rule will prevent players from returning to games in which they left with concussion related symptoms. I think it's a great rule. They need to stop gambling with the long term health of players just to get a win

I am however afraid that it will start leading to shady coverups of concussions during games. You'll start seeing a lot more "neck stingers"

Paranoidmoonduck
11-29-2009, 02:08 PM
I am however afraid that it will start leading to shady coverups of concussions during games. You'll start seeing a lot more "neck stingers"

That is a definite concern. One would hope that the other rule the NFL instituted (that a player who suffers a concussion must see a third party specialist) will ultimately reveal teams that are doing that to their players. That said, NFL players have a lot more personal sway as to whether they go back out than High School or College players do, and no coach wants to be the guy responsible for pissing off the Players Union.

I'm just happy to see that the NFL is doing something to keep brain injuries from becoming something worse.

CC.SD
11-29-2009, 02:13 PM
This is a good idea but I feel like it may be unfairly classified into the 'NFL is protecting QBs' heading and panned by some of the more challenged media pundits.

Zaytoven
11-29-2009, 02:26 PM
I don't like it. Players themselves will likely hide symptoms if they know they can't return to the game.

Paranoidmoonduck
11-29-2009, 02:28 PM
I don't like it. Players themselves will likely hide symptoms if they know they can't return to the game.

I think this needs more explanation. Firstly why a player would feel the need to risk his mental health, secondly how you hide the symptom of a concussion.

CC.SD
11-29-2009, 02:30 PM
I think this needs more explanation. Firstly why a player would feel the need to risk his mental health, secondly how you hide the symptom of a concussion.

Players hide injuries all the time. Staying on the field ultimately means more money. It's true this new policy could reduce treatment for certain sneaky players.

brat316
11-29-2009, 02:31 PM
I think this needs more explanation. Firstly why a player would feel the need to risk his mental health, secondly how you hide the symptom of a concussion.

How? by staying in the game and playing through it, players have said they have done it. Why? because there is a guy waiting behind you to take your job and pay check.

SuperKevin
11-29-2009, 02:31 PM
You can't hide a concussion. You can't force your eyes to respond to light correctly.

Iamcanadian
11-29-2009, 02:32 PM
Great idea in principle but it is going to have a dramatic effect on games. QB's could be forced to sit 3 or 4 weekls before they get clearance to play again. Good for the player, rotten for the fans and the game.

bearsfan_51
11-29-2009, 02:33 PM
Coming from someone that's had 3 concussion (2 rugby, 1 football) they are very hard to hide. I spent 8 hours saying nothing but "I want McDonalds french fries" one time.

My hope is that if the NFL implements this rule, they will assign two non-affiliated doctors to enforce it. Mental health needs to be taken more seriously.

brat316
11-29-2009, 02:33 PM
You can't hide a concussion. You can't force your eyes to respond to light correctly.

Players know the signs of a concussion, but decide not to tell anyone. This is mild concussions we are talking about. But having a neurologist on site can help limit these type of things.

SuperKevin
11-29-2009, 02:33 PM
My hope is that if the NFL implements this rule, they will assign two non-affiliated doctors to enforce it. Mental health needs to be taken more seriously.

Excellent idea.

bearsfan_51
11-29-2009, 02:33 PM
Great idea in principle but it is going to have a dramatic effect on games. QB's could be forced to sit 3 or 4 weekls before they get clearance to play again. Good for the player, rotten for the fans and the game.
The fans can go to hell if they want to risk someone's mental function so they can be entertained.

SuperKevin
11-29-2009, 02:34 PM
Players know the signs of a concussion, but decide not to tell anyone. This is mild concussions we are talking about. But having a neurologist on site can help limit these type of things.

You don't need to be a neurologist to shine a light in someone's eyes and see they have a concussion. Heck the Navy uses high school graduates with nothing more than a 6 week field course to determine concussions

Paranoidmoonduck
11-29-2009, 02:35 PM
My hope is that if the NFL implements this rule, they will assign two non-affiliated doctors to enforce it. Mental health needs to be taken more seriously.

I also think this would be an outstanding idea.

Zaytoven
11-29-2009, 02:36 PM
The fans can go to hell if they want to risk someone's mental function so they can be entertained.

Players risk their mental health everytime they step onto the field. The question is where do you draw the line.

iowatreat54
11-29-2009, 02:36 PM
It's pretty hard to hide symptoms of a concussion.

You can't really cover up changes in pupil size, dizziness, incoherence, etc.

If a team sees a player get hit in the head or close to it, and sees any symptoms of concussion then it would be pretty easy to identify.

Zaytoven
11-29-2009, 02:38 PM
You don't need to be a neurologist to shine a light in someone's eyes and see they have a concussion. Heck the Navy uses high school graduates with nothing more than a 6 week field course to determine concussions

Obviously if doctors know a guy might have a concussion they can probably find out if he does. But a guy could get hit, suspect he has a concussion, but just not saying to avoid being taken out of the game.

This happened all the time when I played hockey. You couldn't tell if a guy had a concussion unless he stayed on the ice after getting hit.

Babylon
11-29-2009, 02:39 PM
When they vote on this bill they should piggyback some heavier fines/suspensions for helmet to helmet hits. Clean the whole thing up.

bearsfan_51
11-29-2009, 02:40 PM
Players risk their mental health everytime they step onto the field. The question is where do you draw the line.
Of course, but study after study has shown that continual physical impact in a short period after a concussion greatly increases the chances of dimensia and memory loss later in life. This isn't asking players to be less physical or wear adding protection, it's simply following very common medical knowledge that says the brain is much more vulnerable during said period.

iowatreat54
11-29-2009, 02:41 PM
Well, to be fair, imo this would probably be a rule that more effects bigger hits and after game effects.

Sure, if a player gets hit, but can stay in and doesn't say anything, there's nothing you can do. But to the players that stay down or you can tell were hit, they can check them out and make a determination. Even for the players that stay in, after the game you will still be able to see some symptoms of a concussion or head trauma, atwhich point the team could decide to enforce said rule of keeping him out for X amount of time.

Zaytoven
11-29-2009, 02:42 PM
Of course, but study after study has shown that continual physical impact in a short period after a concussion greatly increases the chances of dimensia and memory loss later in life. This isn't asking players to be less physical or wear adding protection, it's simply following very common medical knowledge that says the brain is much more vulnerable during said period.

Oh, I absolutely agree. I'm just saying that this rule could do more harm than good.

Iamcanadian
11-29-2009, 03:00 PM
The fans can go to hell if they want to risk someone's mental function so they can be entertained.

Face it, football has crippled a # of players and players have even died playing it. If they followed your advice football would be banned as a sport just based on the # of injuries it accounts for every year. Many ex football players suffer all their lives from injuries which occured while they played. Many, many ex pro players can barely walk by the time they are 50. However money talks and as long as the fans will pay to watch it, it will remain a highly popular sport.

SuperKevin
11-29-2009, 03:03 PM
Face it, football has crippled a # of players and players have even died playing it. If they followed your advice football would be banned as a sport just based on the # of injuries it accounts for every year. Many ex football players suffer all their lives from injuries which occured while they played. Many, many ex pro players can barely walk by the time they are 50. However money talks and as long as the fans will pay to watch it, it will remain a highly popular sport.

That used to be true back when Medical Treatment was substandard but the NFL and the NFLPA are making sure the next generation of football players don't have to go through that.

Ravens1991
11-29-2009, 03:17 PM
If wish we had that rule last year in the playoffs, so that idiot daren stone wouldnt have body slammed a steeler 20 yards out of bounds to look tough BC he got jacked up and recieved a concussion 1st play. Then our chances of getting to the superbowl were destroyed.

It is a good rule for the safety of the players, I give them props for wanting to win but we got to keep them safe

iowatreat54
11-29-2009, 03:26 PM
Face it, football has crippled a # of players and players have even died playing it. If they followed your advice football would be banned as a sport just based on the # of injuries it accounts for every year. Many ex football players suffer all their lives from injuries which occured while they played. Many, many ex pro players can barely walk by the time they are 50. However money talks and as long as the fans will pay to watch it, it will remain a highly popular sport.

Wait, so because it has happened in the past means that nothing should be done to improve/change it? Flawless logic.

Just because people are willing to watch does not mean that nothing should be done. That's just completely ridiculous.

Job
11-29-2009, 04:55 PM
I love njx.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
11-29-2009, 05:26 PM
^^Lol.

Anyway I'm a big fan of this. I haven't been a fan of a lot of Goodell's safety rules, especially the QB ones because all of that happens in the flow of the game and will continue to happen no matter the penalty. But this one is a definite winner. You can't mess around with brains. Bones heal, brains don't.

wogitalia
11-29-2009, 08:20 PM
Seems like a good idea.

I do worry that some players will avoid receiving any treatment though. The serious concussions are obvious, it is the subtle ones that can lead to serious ones that are the worry with any rule like this. The ones where the player knows he is seeing stars and instead of getting it checked to make sure it is nothing more serious, they will play through it.

But the rule is certainly a good idea, it is a violent, high risk sport and there is no need to elevate the risks if you can avoid it and that is what this rule does, it reduces the risks for players without negatively affecting the game. Which is a nice change from other recent rule changes that have taken away from the game in the name of safety.