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Iamcanadian
12-01-2009, 07:46 AM
Indy, New Orleans and Minny either play a Cover 2 defense or play a basic 4-3. Where have all the 3-4 teams gone???

tjsunstein
12-01-2009, 07:52 AM
I think it's just a coincidence.

The Cowboys and Chargers are 8-3.
The Broncos, Patriots, and Packers are 7-4.

Three of the top 5 teams in the AFC run a 3-4. The Steelers and Ravens are having down years, and most of the other teams that run it are losing for other reasons.

Woody56
12-01-2009, 08:27 AM
how about 4 of the top 5 defenses play a 3-4

ironman4579
12-01-2009, 08:46 AM
I would also point out that Indy, Minny, and NO all have tremendous offenses (like top 5. NO is #1, Minn is #2, Indy is #5). That's probably contributed more to their records than the defenses, outside of possibly Indy.

no bare feet
12-01-2009, 09:16 AM
Terrible thread. Defensive schemes have no correlation to a teams success, the players and coaches do. The Lions and Rams run a 4-3 and . . .

The Unseen
12-01-2009, 09:27 AM
Players, not plays

CashmoneyDrew
12-01-2009, 09:30 AM
I also notice that a lot of the worst teams in the league play a 4-3.........

P-L
12-01-2009, 09:38 AM
Anyone notice that Indianapolis, New Orleans, and Minnesota have the three best quarterbacks this season?

619
12-01-2009, 09:39 AM
I also notice that a lot of the worst teams in the league play a 4-3.........

The worst team (Browns, imo) plays a 3-4. It's a pointless argument whichever way you look at it. The defense is only as good as the coaches and the players.

CashmoneyDrew
12-01-2009, 09:41 AM
The worst team (Browns, imo) plays a 3-4. It's a pointless argument whichever way you look at it. The defense is only as good as the coaches and the players.

Yeah. The damn Browns are the reason I couldn't say all of the worst teams or bottom 5 or whatever. :(

LonghornsLegend
12-01-2009, 09:59 AM
Two of the most sucessful teams of the past 10 years run a 3-4 in the Steelers and Patriots, what's your point?

BuddyCHRIST
12-01-2009, 10:21 AM
I mean I guess its interesting, but there's alot of ways to win in the NFL. With speed, physicality, scheme, etc. But the majority of the time, the teams with the best players (that play well together) are going to be most successful. Steelers won with their great 3-4 last year, the Giants won with their 4 man line 2 years ago.

Bucs_Rule
12-01-2009, 10:36 AM
I think it's just a coincidence.

The Cowboys and Chargers are 8-3.
The Broncos, Patriots, and Packers are 7-4.

Three of the top 5 teams in the AFC run a 3-4. The Steelers and Ravens are having down years, and most of the other teams that run it are losing for other reasons.

Bengals getting no love.

Gay Ork Wang
12-01-2009, 10:44 AM
right now 50% of the Playoff teams have a 4-3 and 50% a 3-4

Brent
12-01-2009, 11:04 AM
anyone else notice that all the top offensive teams in the NFL run a pro-style offense? how weird is that?

Splat
12-01-2009, 11:12 AM
Did you notice that the teams heading to the playoffs have more wins then the teams not heading to the playoffs?

Interesting...

The Unseen
12-01-2009, 11:30 AM
Hume would be proud

PoopSandwich
12-01-2009, 12:13 PM
I also notice that a lot of the worst teams in the league play a 4-3.........

The Browns play a 3-4 and they are the absolute **** hole of the league.

CC.SD
12-01-2009, 12:17 PM
I do not believe this correlation exists if you look at the top defenses.

NY+Giants=NYG
12-01-2009, 12:30 PM
Indy, New Orleans and Minny either play a Cover 2 defense or play a basic 4-3. Where have all the 3-4 teams gone???

Coincidence.. Both systems are good and proven, depends on what you like.

Rosebud
12-01-2009, 02:00 PM
I've noticed that the top 5 teams in the league have more talent than the bottom 5 teams in the league. Coincidence? I think not!

j05son
12-01-2009, 03:42 PM
You have just entered an IAC topic.

Perhaps you miss-clicked on an actual thread of somewhat importance (like who are the five best running backs currently in the NFL). I understand; it happens.

Thankfully I am here to help you through this dilemma. Feel free to click any text in this post to be taken out of this 0/10 topic. You're Welcome! (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/index.php)

vikes_28
12-01-2009, 04:11 PM
You have just entered an IAC topic.

Perhaps you miss-clicked on an actual thread of somewhat importance (like who are the five best running backs currently in the NFL). I understand; it happens.

Thankfully I am here to help you through this dilemma. Feel free to click any text in this post to be taken out of this 0/10 topic. You're Welcome! (http://draftcountdown.com/forum/index.php)

This........

Flyboy
12-01-2009, 04:46 PM
We use a base 4-3, but Gregg Williams throws a crapload of formations at an offense from the 3-4 to the 4-6.

PalmerToCJ
12-01-2009, 08:45 PM
how about 4 of the top 5 defenses play a 3-4

And that top 5 would be?

tjsunstein
12-01-2009, 08:57 PM
Bengals getting no love.

I thought I made my point.

The top 5 total defenses, according to NFL.com:
1. Green Bay (3-4)
2. New York Jets (3-4)
3. Pittsburgh Steelers (3-4)
4. New York Giants (4-3)
5. Denver Broncos (3-4)

CC.SD
12-01-2009, 08:59 PM
Honestly the stupidity of this general topic aside it's probably a better idea to look at general rankings of success and failure from a long term perspective rather than single season stats. Too much variation/injuries can occur within single years to skew the stats. Look at the long term dynamos in a 3-4 like Pats and Steelers, with 5 Super Bowls between them since 2001. That's all you need to know.

Finz99
12-01-2009, 09:04 PM
Anyone notice that Indianapolis, New Orleans, and Minnesota have the three best quarterbacks this season?

Did you notice that if you take the first letters of Minnesota, New Orleans, and Indianapolis you get Min. Short for...

Minnesota

tjsunstein
12-01-2009, 09:06 PM
Did you notice that if you take the first letters of Minnesota, New Orleans, and Indianapolis you get Min. Short for...

Minnesota

Min is short for minute. Minn is short for Minnesota.

Finz99
12-01-2009, 09:10 PM
Min is short for minute. Minn is short for Minnesota.

I've heard it both ways.

PalmerToCJ
12-01-2009, 09:15 PM
I thought I made my point.

The top 5 total defenses, according to NFL.com:
1. Green Bay (3-4)
2. New York Jets (3-4)
3. Pittsburgh Steelers (3-4)
4. New York Giants (4-3)
5. Denver Broncos (3-4)

Eh, total yards isn't going to tell much of a story.

TitanHope
12-01-2009, 09:22 PM
Eh, total yards isn't going to tell much of a story.

Bend but don't break brethren, UNITE!

Form of, Jeff Fisher's mustache!



...um, I immediately regret this decision!

CC.SD
12-01-2009, 09:27 PM
I've heard it both ways.

I've never heard Minn. as short for minute.

Finz99
12-01-2009, 09:46 PM
I've never heard Minn. as short for minute.

That phrase was more of a tribute to Shawn Spencer then anything.

However, MIN is used as the abbreviation when the Vikings are playing, which is what I was going for. I just explained it poorly.

wogitalia
12-02-2009, 12:52 AM
The Steelers and Ravens are having down years, and most of the other teams that run it are losing for other reasons.

That is a bit harsh on them. The Steelers loss to the Bears looks more and more unforgivable as the weeks go by, but otherwise they are playing a pretty damn tough schedule and unlike the Saints and Colts above them, they are getting a hell of a fight in their division. They haven't played as well as they did last year either, but their division is really hurting them, you could argue that between them and Cincy, 3 of the top 5 teams in the AFC are in their division.

Look at the top teams and you see the Chargers, Minny, Indy and the Cards are all in weak divisions. Green Bay have only just got their act together, which basically gifted the Vikes two wins over their only division rival worth a mention. No need to even mention the Cards or Chargers and Indy just own their division which has got 3 of the most unpredictable and inconsistent teams. You can even throw the Pats in the mix because their division hasn't offered much yet either. Internal sabotage from their division is really hurting the Steelers and Ravens.