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darnik44two
03-11-2007, 04:46 PM
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ironman4579
03-11-2007, 04:57 PM
The images are all too small to see(at least on my computer)

Hurricane Ditka
03-11-2007, 04:58 PM
It might be a must see, but I can't see it. Based on the colors, and what I can see of the name, I think you draft Jon Beason at Pick 31.

Yung Flippa
03-11-2007, 05:02 PM
You Can't See Anything

neko4
03-11-2007, 05:05 PM
Kalil at #28? some joke

hugegmenfan
03-11-2007, 05:07 PM
cant see jack

ironman4579
03-11-2007, 05:07 PM
I think I see Gaines Adams at 6 and maybe Leon Hall at 12?

darnik44two
03-11-2007, 05:12 PM
sorry, it uploaded wrong. there it is now

Crazy_Chris
03-11-2007, 05:15 PM
looks like Jamal anderson is at #7 i think thats quinn at #2

etk
03-11-2007, 05:23 PM
The Eagles pick is really gonna piss off their fans.

RaiderNation
03-11-2007, 05:42 PM
good raider pick

BUSTKUNTLAWL
03-11-2007, 05:42 PM
I see it clear.

The Bears take Timmons.

Don Vito
03-11-2007, 05:47 PM
Griffin is a good pick for the Pats but there is no need for Kalil. We have a very solid and young interior OL. ILB or CB is the pick there.

Zyro_1014
03-11-2007, 05:49 PM
The Eagles pick is really gonna piss off their fans.

Im an eagles fan and I love that pick!, it would be great, McNabb hasnt had jack since TO left. and Jarrett is way better than everyone is sayin, hell right after the rose bowl he was the 2nd best WR in the draft, and now hes a 2nd round prospect? gimme a break! hes faster than a 4.6, and hes gonna prove it at his pro day

Green Bay Scat
03-11-2007, 05:54 PM
Lynch to Packers, same as it ever was, just the way i like it

Next Best Thing
03-11-2007, 05:55 PM
Give the Jags Reggie Nelson in this situation. We don't have depth at safety right now

briz5x
03-11-2007, 06:00 PM
ill echo the setiments of my fellow pats fans, we dont need a center we just extended Dan Koppen and gave him alot of money.

Go_Eagles77
03-11-2007, 06:11 PM
I'm not dismissing WR in rd.1 but I don't want Jarrett, he is very similar to Hank Baskett. I want a deep threat but with Meachem and Ginn gone I'm thinking we trade down because there are no good safties left and Willis is gone too.

draftguru151
03-11-2007, 06:15 PM
Good graphics work.

Not a very good Dolphins pick at all though. Holliday and Traylor are good starters, and depth is there as well as quite a few young development guys like Fred Evans, Manny Wright, Rod Wright and Kevin Vickerson. That is more than enough at DT.

Like stated, the Kalil pick is pretty bad, Willis is too early, don't see the Bills taking a CB, Anderson's stock may be that high if he has an amazing workout, but don't see that happening. Brown is a reach. Poz is a reach and isn't really a need, ok mock but definitely some problems.

thebow305
03-11-2007, 06:50 PM
great phins pick..... AWESOME layout... sweet mock overall! GREAT JOB!

WooWoo21
03-11-2007, 06:51 PM
The Bills arent taking a CB in the first two rounds. I can almost assure you of it.

rainbeaukid2
03-11-2007, 07:02 PM
adam carriker would be a better fit at 11, his stock is higher than willis at the moment and there is some speculation as to whether willis can fit in the 3-4

hugegmenfan
03-11-2007, 07:08 PM
um its a pretty good giants pick- just make sure, if u make a 2nd round the giants address OLB in the 2nd

Chucky
03-11-2007, 07:16 PM
great layout and great bucs pick

Hurricane Ditka
03-11-2007, 07:26 PM
How is Kalil a bad pick? He's the best center in the draft, and close to the best guard. And given the Patriot's history, I think it's a likely pick, he fits their mold; smart, fast, aggressive.

Vikes99ej
03-11-2007, 07:32 PM
No thanks. I'll pass. That does look pretty sweet-looking, though.

darnik44two
03-11-2007, 07:36 PM
adam carriker would be a better fit at 11, his stock is higher than willis at the moment and there is some speculation as to whether willis can fit in the 3-4

Carriker is a very good possibility for the 49ers. But if I gave him to the 49ers I couldn't give him to my Steelers. No, seriously though I keep going back and forth on this pick along with alot of others. Carriker is a great fit, Willis is a great fit, and I think Robert Meachem would also be a great pick. From everything I hear the 49ers staff fell in love with Willis at the Senior Bowl. ILB to me seems to be their biggest hole anywhere, and it's a vital piece to the 3-4.

eaglesalltheway
03-11-2007, 07:40 PM
I'm not dismissing WR in rd.1 but I don't want Jarrett, he is very similar to Hank Baskett. I want a deep threat but with Meachem and Ginn gone I'm thinking we trade down because there are no good safties left and Willis is gone too.

I will dismiss Jarrett as our pick. We need defense in the first round. The Eagles would probably go with Jarvis Moss or one of the two LBs you have left in Timmons and Beason. This is a tough situation though. One thing though, don't tell a guy that we will trade down, because those are nearly impossible to predict, and we would also need a trading partner. Ilike how the draft looks, but it doesn't seem all that realistic to me.

Vikes99ej
03-11-2007, 07:50 PM
Since when are the Giants switching Kiwanuka to OLB?

draftguru151
03-11-2007, 07:56 PM
How is Kalil a bad pick? He's the best center in the draft, and close to the best guard. And given the Patriot's history, I think it's a likely pick, he fits their mold; smart, fast, aggressive.

Because it is at a position of 0 need. He isn't a OG, he is a center, if they want an OG (which they don't really need) they could look at Sears or Grubbs.

darnik44two
03-11-2007, 08:05 PM
Because it is at a position of 0 need. He isn't a OG, he is a center, if they want an OG (which they don't really need) they could look at Sears or Grubbs.

I'm not guaranteeing Kalil is the pick there, but if you look at the Patriots draft history it falls right into what they generally do. In addition to that teams with two first round picks generally take one need and one value or BPA. Kalil didn't play OG at USC, but he certainly can move to OG in the NFL. Sears didn't play OG either, and will probably have a bigger learning curve to learn that position than Kalil will. Kalil is the 3rd best OL prospect in the draft. Teams don't draft for need 100% of the time. As a matter of fact it's the teams that don't draft strictly for need that end up with the best group of football players. The Patriots line is OK, but it could certainly stand to be upgraded. They are lacking depth across the OL, so by Kalil taking someone's job that then creates some depth.

bbertolino91
03-11-2007, 08:22 PM
The Pats do not need an interior OL on the first day, let alone a possible reach in the first round (although I like Kalil and his stock is rising). They just signed Dan Koppen (starter) to a 5 year extension during the season. The starting Guards, Steven Neal and Logan Mankins, are a very underrated and underappreciated tandem, and they both are also locked up for multiple seasons. They also have the versatile Russ Hochstein for a few years as a backup/insurance. He can play all 3 interior positions, and he is battle tested, having started in the playoffs and the Superbowl before. They also resigned G Billy Yates in the offseason, who did a solid job filling in when he needed to this season. Therefore, there is no reason the Patriots should be considering an interior lineman in the first round of the draft. I'm not saying it is not a possibilty on day two, but if they did select one on the first day, I would be shocked.

bbertolino91
03-11-2007, 08:23 PM
To add to my previous post, I would rather see Blalock if the Pats did go OL in the draft, because he can play tackle as well, not just interior line.

thebow305
03-11-2007, 08:26 PM
Good graphics work.

Not a very good Dolphins pick at all though. Holliday and Traylor are good starters, and depth is there as well as quite a few young development guys like Fred Evans, Manny Wright, Rod Wright and Kevin Vickerson. That is more than enough at DT.

Like stated, the Kalil pick is pretty bad, Willis is too early, don't see the Bills taking a CB, Anderson's stock may be that high if he has an amazing workout, but don't see that happening. Brown is a reach. Poz is a reach and isn't really a need, ok mock but definitely some problems.

Now that I look at it like that... Branch probably isn't the greatest pick, even though he is probably the BPA at that point.. Houston/Landry/Ginn/Jarrett are probably better picks there overall.. Still love the mock though!

darnik44two
03-11-2007, 08:32 PM
Now that I look at it like that... Branch probably isn't the greatest pick, even though he is probably the BPA at that point.. Houston/Landry/Ginn/Jarrett are probably better picks there overall.. Still love the mock though!

The Dolphins and Texans picks could very likely be flipped. But I still could see branch as a possibility there. While they have alot of DT's, they lack a young dominant DT.

Im_a_Romosexual
03-11-2007, 08:36 PM
Awesome visuals awsome pick and awesome analysis

princefielder28
03-11-2007, 08:40 PM
It would be sensational if Green Bay still got Marshawn

Bohleive
03-11-2007, 08:51 PM
The Ravens signed Jarrett Johnson to a substantial six year deal and named him the starter, Ozzie has also publicly stated that he expects Dan Cody to have a breakout year, thus there is no void left by Thomas that needs filling. Even if you like Moss over those two guys, despite the fact that he will not see the field next season, guaranteed, the ravens would not make that move. The organization certainly would not have made the move they did with JJ only to pick up a Jarvis Moss in the 1st.

thebow305
03-11-2007, 09:02 PM
The Dolphins and Texans picks could very likely be flipped. But I still could see branch as a possibility there. While they have alot of DT's, they lack a young dominant DT.


agreed. Especially with the signing of Jordan Black to the Texans, although not very significant, it could change their thinking a little. It also depends on how our young DT's show up in the early camps this year, they are high on Fred Evans and Rodrique was tops on alot of boards last year before the injury cropped up, so you know he can play when healthy, but his commitment is in question.

JT Jag
03-11-2007, 09:18 PM
I'd be fine with the Jaguars pick if there weren't any good safeties available.

Three are (Nelson, Griffin and Meriweather), and the Jaguars will almost definately take one of them.

draftguru151
03-11-2007, 09:51 PM
The Dolphins and Texans picks could very likely be flipped. But I still could see branch as a possibility there. While they have alot of DT's, they lack a young dominant DT.

That would be even worse, at least Branch is somewhat good value, Brown's value isn't there at all and he isn't going to be a LT, and we don't need a RT. No we don't have a young dominant DT, but we still have much bigger problems. We have good players there. And we have young talent. Fred Evans will likely take over the NT spot by next season and if either Manny Wright or Rod Wright can play like they did before the mental breakdown and the shoulder injury, we have out young studs. Branch is an ok pick, but with the depth and talent we have at DT I can't see a first rounder being used. It is a possibility, but resigning both starters along with all the praise that Evans and Vickerson are getting, I don't see it happening. We have needs in the secondary as well as WR and TE.

And bbertolino91 pretty much covered the Kalil pick, the Pats don't need OL unless it is a LT to develop behind Light. Their interior OL is very good. I could see a guy like Staley there if they want OL. The Kalil pick just makes little sense to me.

Big Mike
03-11-2007, 09:54 PM
i can see verything

darnik44two
03-11-2007, 10:08 PM
That would be even worse, at least Branch is somewhat good value, Brown's value isn't there at all and he isn't going to be a LT, and we don't need a RT. No we don't have a young dominant DT, but we still have much bigger problems. We have good players there. And we have young talent. Fred Evans will likely take over the NT spot by next season and if either Manny Wright or Rod Wright can play like they did before the mental breakdown and the shoulder injury, we have out young studs. Branch is an ok pick, but with the depth and talent we have at DT I can't see a first rounder being used. It is a possibility, but resigning both starters along with all the praise that Evans and Vickerson are getting, I don't see it happening. We have needs in the secondary as well as WR and TE.

And bbertolino91 pretty much covered the Kalil pick, the Pats don't need OL unless it is a LT to develop behind Light. Their interior OL is very good. I could see a guy like Staley there if they want OL. The Kalil pick just makes little sense to me.

You really underestimate Levi Brown. He's a top 10 LT. His one knock is his consistancy. Physically, athletically, and mentally he has what it takes to be a dominant LT in the NFL.

As far as the Dolphins at #9, is there a WR or TE you could see them taking there. I know the answer to the TE part. I personally can see Meachem going in the top 10 but none of the other WR's beside C.J. I personally don't know what to think of Ginn. To me I feel he will be a great player, but he seems too "boom or bust" to me to go top 10. Meachem's combination of size, speed, route running and hands is why I could see him in the top 10 although it's probably unlikely.

The Dolphins IMO are a team sitting at the 9 spot with not a ton of glaring needs. I really think BPA is the way for them to go there. Even if they draft a position that's not a need, if they get a solid football player they can't go wrong. There are plenty of quality WR's that they could add later on. Not many quality NT's or LT's though. DB is a pretty deep class as well.

Invesco
03-11-2007, 10:14 PM
The Broncos will pick a defensive lineman in the first round = i dislike the safety pick

darnik44two
03-11-2007, 10:20 PM
The Broncos will pick a defensive lineman in the first round = i dislike the safety pick

Who would they take there if it fell that way? Before you say Moss, let me say this. I feel is really only a 3-4 OLB or hybrid DE. Neither of which suits Denver. I personally don't see Charles Johnson as a first rounder, I don't see Tank Tyler or Anthony Spencer as good value picks there.

draftguru151
03-11-2007, 10:28 PM
You really underestimate Levi Brown. He's a top 10 LT. His one knock is his consistancy. Physically, athletically, and mentally he has what it takes to be a dominant LT in the NFL.

As far as the Dolphins at #9, is there a WR or TE you could see them taking there. I know the answer to the TE part. I personally can see Meachem going in the top 10 but none of the other WR's beside C.J. I personally don't know what to think of Ginn. To me I feel he will be a great player, but he seems too "boom or bust" to me to go top 10. Meachem's combination of size, speed, route running and hands is why I could see him in the top 10 although it's probably unlikely.

The Dolphins IMO are a team sitting at the 9 spot with not a ton of glaring needs. I really think BPA is the way for them to go there. Even if they draft a position that's not a need, if they get a solid football player they can't go wrong. There are plenty of quality WR's that they could add later on. Not many quality NT's or LT's though. DB is a pretty deep class as well.

When a quality LT or NT shows the value to be the 9th pick let me know. Branch isn't a NT, he would play DT for us, the position that Holliday played great at last year and just got a big deal. I would have loved to have Branch before Holliday was signed, and I know Holliday isn't young, but he just got a very nice deal. I'm not underestimating Brown at all. He is a very good RT. He does not have the feet to play LT. With his showing at the combine he is not a top 10 player.

Meachem seems like an option, as does Greg Olsen if Cameron feels a TE is important to his offense and wants to have another Gates. Chris Houston and Leon Hall are also realistic options there. All of those are value and a position of need. Branch is value but not need. Brown is some what of a need but not value and really isn't a LT.

briz5x
03-11-2007, 10:29 PM
How is Kalil a bad pick? He's the best center in the draft, and close to the best guard. And given the Patriot's history, I think it's a likely pick, he fits their mold; smart, fast, aggressive.

Kali wouldnt start over OG Logan Mankins and OG Steven Neal, nor over C Dan Koppen who are all signed through 2010. The pats arent going to draft a backup olineman in the first round even if he is the best player availible (which he isnt), that would be like drafting a QB like Quinn in the first round if he slid to our pick when we got Brady. Not gunna happen.

darnik44two
03-11-2007, 10:38 PM
When a quality LT or NT shows the value to be the 9th pick let me know. Branch isn't a NT, he would play DT for us, the position that Holliday played great at last year and just got a big deal. I would have loved to have Branch before Holliday was signed, and I know Holliday isn't young, but he just got a very nice deal. I'm not underestimating Brown at all. He is a very good RT. He does not have the feet to play LT. With his showing at the combine he is not a top 10 player.

Meachem seems like an option, as does Greg Olsen if Cameron feels a TE is important to his offense and wants to have another Gates. Chris Houston and Leon Hall are also realistic options there. All of those are value and a position of need. Branch is value but not need. Brown is some what of a need but not value and really isn't a LT.

I completely disagree with you on Brown. He did well at the combine. He had a slow 40, so what...he's a tackle. He has all the tools to be a LT. His technique sometimes is questionable thus the inconsistancy label. The guy is an athlete, that's the biggest requirement to play LT. I guess time will tell.

PalmerToCJ
03-11-2007, 10:42 PM
I like Houston and he's a good fit but I'd prefer Nelson or Timmons... Just a personal preference though.

thebow305
03-12-2007, 01:03 AM
When a quality LT or NT shows the value to be the 9th pick let me know. Branch isn't a NT, he would play DT for us, the position that Holliday played great at last year and just got a big deal. I would have loved to have Branch before Holliday was signed, and I know Holliday isn't young, but he just got a very nice deal. I'm not underestimating Brown at all. He is a very good RT. He does not have the feet to play LT. With his showing at the combine he is not a top 10 player.

Meachem seems like an option, as does Greg Olsen if Cameron feels a TE is important to his offense and wants to have another Gates. Chris Houston and Leon Hall are also realistic options there. All of those are value and a position of need. Branch is value but not need. Brown is some what of a need but not value and really isn't a LT.

Dude, Levi Brown is most definitely a top ten pick...the Cardinals could take him if Joe Thomas is gone, as well as the Texans, the Falcons, and also us, the Dolphins as well. There is a very high possibility that he could be the pick at number nine and there are some scouts around the league that believe this guy could be a better pro LEFT TACKLE prospect than JOE THOMAS! I personally wouldn't mind, even though I would hate to pass on some of the ultra-talented skill players that would still be on the board at that point. But... He is by far the number 2 overall offensive lineman behind Thomas, and really the only OL behind Thomas realistically deserving of a round one or even round 2 pick. (other than maybe Kalil, maybe!) This is a very weak offensive tackle class, and while Levi is not the calibre of the type of tackles coming out next year (ex: Jake Long and Sam Baker) He is still a very good player, and I believe if he was there and the phins didn't take him, it would not be a very good move in our favor. For a team like the Dolphins who desperately need some good OT's and OL depth in general, we would be put in a serious scramble to find talent after Levi Brown, because IMO, the talent level for OL drops off severely after him. The pick wouldn't excite me, but that's what the rest of the draft is for, when you're drafting for need, it isn't always the most exciting pick in the world, but you take it because it is maybe what is best for your team.

In another note, I like Meachem, but that might be a little too much of a reach for him, we can get a guy of his calibre in the second round, IMO, with someone like Jason Hill. Ted Ginn would be interesting at number nine though, especially with our two biggest kick returners Travis Minor and Wes Welker out the door.

As far as Olsen goes, I know this draft sucks for TE's and I love Olsen, being the biggest U fan on the planet.... But if we take him at 9, I will put a bullet in my head! SERIOUSLY!

Caddy
03-12-2007, 04:05 AM
I can't see it :(

darnik44two
03-12-2007, 07:31 AM
I can't see it :(

It's back up

indyfan1985
03-12-2007, 09:54 AM
I like the Jon Beason pick for the Colts but the Bears WONT be taking a LB round 1 since they already have Urlacher and Briggs. So that leaves Lawrence Timmons for the Colts who I would rather have.

darnik44two
03-12-2007, 10:00 AM
I like the Jon Beason pick for the Colts but the Bears WONT be taking a LB round 1 since they already have Urlacher and Briggs. So that leaves Lawrence Timmons for the Colts who I would rather have.

Briggs is saying he will never play another game for the Bears. If he does play for them in 2007, he won't be there in 2008. LB isn't their biggest need, but when Timmons falls in their lap, they can't pass on him.

darnik44two
03-12-2007, 10:02 AM
Here's a 2nd round I started working on.

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go_ravens94
03-12-2007, 11:19 AM
Kalil at #28? some joke

We might pick Kalil in the first.

also: BEST RAVENS PICK EVER!

draftguru151
03-12-2007, 04:53 PM
I completely disagree with you on Brown. He did well at the combine. He had a slow 40, so what...he's a tackle. He has all the tools to be a LT. His technique sometimes is questionable thus the inconsistancy label. The guy is an athlete, that's the biggest requirement to play LT. I guess time will tell.

He ran a 5.4 40 and a 1.84 10. He isn't a great athlete. He is an ok athlete. He also had a 4.89 short shuttle. A 25.5 inch vert. 8'1" broad jump. I can put up those numbers.

princefielder28
03-12-2007, 04:57 PM
He ran a 5.4 40 and a 1.84 10. He isn't a great athlete. He is an ok athlete. He also had a 4.89 short shuttle. A 25.5 inch vert. 8'1" broad jump. I can put up those numbers.

He'll stay as a RT and that's all that needs to be said

etk
03-12-2007, 04:59 PM
Good Bucs 2nd rounder

thebow305
03-13-2007, 12:24 AM
He'll stay as a RT and that's all that needs to be said

So Convincing! You certainly won me over with your argument, I can just tell you put a lot of thought into that... **rolls eyes**

KCJ58
03-13-2007, 12:36 AM
Great Rams pick

gdamac
03-13-2007, 01:10 AM
Love the Raider pick!

my future me
03-13-2007, 07:41 AM
How is Kalil a bad pick? He's the best center in the draft, and close to the best guard. And given the Patriot's history, I think it's a likely pick, he fits their mold; smart, fast, aggressive.

Obviously you didn't watch any Pats games last year. Koppen is one of the best Centers in the league. Why would we use a first round pick on an interior lineman when our interior line with Logan, Koppen, AND Neal signed through 2009 is damn near the best, young IL in the NFL. If we need help, it would be our Tackles with Light, inconsistent, and Kazcur, who hasn't improved in two years.

darnik44two
03-13-2007, 09:14 AM
Obviously you didn't watch any Pats games last year. Koppen is one of the best Centers in the league. Why would we use a first round pick on an interior lineman when our interior line with Logan, Koppen, AND Neal signed through 2009 is damn near the best, young IL in the NFL. If we need help, it would be our Tackles with Light, inconsistent, and Kazcur, who hasn't improved in two years.

Ever consider Mankins noving to RT? He was a tackle in college, and at 6-4 310 he has the ideal size. Kalil would play OG. The OL would instantly be upgraded.

my future me
03-13-2007, 09:20 AM
The OL doesn't need a first round upgrade. Know something about a team before you draft for them, and if your wrong accept it and move on don't try to defend a bad choice. Secondary > above all

P-L
03-13-2007, 09:29 AM
Ever consider Mankins noving to RT? He was a tackle in college, and at 6-4 310 he has the ideal size. Kalil would play OG. The OL would instantly be upgraded.
I guess it would be a possibility for them but Mankins is a top five OG in the NFL. I don't think they'd make the switch.

darnik44two
03-13-2007, 09:31 AM
The OL doesn't need a first round upgrade. Know something about a team before you draft for them, and if your wrong accept it and move on don't try to defend a bad choice. Secondary > above all


I stated a few times I'm in no way guaranteeing Kalil to the Patriots. You should try to understand how the draft works before you make a statement like you just did. Kalil is far and away the BPA there. The Patriots are a smart team and realize by drafting BPA they end up with the best collection of football players. There are plenty of DB's they can grab later on, but no versatile interior linemen that compare to Kalil. He's the 3rd best overall OL in the draft. The Patriots may have a decent starting OL, but they don't have jack as far as depth. Getting a versatile guy like Kalil who can play 3 IL positions, and opens up the option to move Mankins to RT sounds like a Patriots type move to me. I bet if I would have done a Patriots mock draft and been 100% right with it last year I would have gotten the same response from you I did on this.

If you scroll up you will see I added a 2nd round and they take Josh Wilson.

darnik44two
03-13-2007, 09:32 AM
I guess it would be a possibility for them but Mankins is a top five OG in the NFL. I don't think they'd make the switch.

He could probably be a top 5 RT as well.

my future me
03-13-2007, 09:40 AM
I stated a few times I'm in no way guaranteeing Kalil to the Patriots. You should try to understand how the draft works before you make a statement like you just did. Kalil is far and away the BPA there. The Patriots are a smart team and realize by drafting BPA they end up with the best collection of football players. There are plenty of DB's they can grab later on, but no versatile interior linemen that compare to Kalil. He's the 3rd best overall OL in the draft. The Patriots may have a decent starting OL, but they don't have jack as far as depth. Getting a versatile guy like Kalil who can play 3 IL positions, and opens up the option to move Mankins to RT sounds like a Patriots type move to me. I bet if I would have done a Patriots mock draft and been 100% right with it last year I would have gotten the same response from you I did on this.

I have nothing against the BPA argument since the Patriots have been the champion of that system for the past several seasons, however a team has to take into account its roster. The Patriots won't draft Clark Harris because there is no room at TE. The Patriots won't draft an early round QB because we have a great starter and a very promising back up. The Patriots won't draft an early round C/G because there is nowhere to put them. Neal, Mankins, and Koppen are at this point and projected into the future are better than Kalil. That is not to say at 28 he is not a great value, nor the best player available, but its just a numbers game. There is nowhere on this roster for Kalil, so the Patriots will not draft him.

thebow305
03-13-2007, 10:36 AM
I stated a few times I'm in no way guaranteeing Kalil to the Patriots. You should try to understand how the draft works before you make a statement like you just did. Kalil is far and away the BPA there. The Patriots are a smart team and realize by drafting BPA they end up with the best collection of football players. There are plenty of DB's they can grab later on, but no versatile interior linemen that compare to Kalil. He's the 3rd best overall OL in the draft. The Patriots may have a decent starting OL, but they don't have jack as far as depth. Getting a versatile guy like Kalil who can play 3 IL positions, and opens up the option to move Mankins to RT sounds like a Patriots type move to me. I bet if I would have done a Patriots mock draft and been 100% right with it last year I would have gotten the same response from you I did on this.

If you scroll up you will see I added a 2nd round and they take Josh Wilson.

GREAT POINTS! You're right, he obviously knows very little about the draft process, especially his own team's evaluation process, the New England Patriots. And yeah, you probably would have gotten the same response last year.. haha.

thebow305
03-13-2007, 10:41 AM
I have nothing against the BPA argument since the Patriots have been the champion of that system for the past several seasons, however a team has to take into account its roster. The Patriots won't draft Clark Harris because there is no room at TE. The Patriots won't draft an early round QB because we have a great starter and a very promising back up. The Patriots won't draft an early round C/G because there is nowhere to put them. Neal, Mankins, and Koppen are at this point and projected into the future are better than Kalil. That is not to say at 28 he is not a great value, nor the best player available, but its just a numbers game. There is nowhere on this roster for Kalil, so the Patriots will not draft him.

I don't know where you are going with that TE argument, you had Daniel Graham and Christian Fauria and you still drafted Ben Watson, last year you had Graham and Watson and you drafted David Thomas and picked up Garrett Mills as well, both tight ends in college, still both tight ends now, although Mills could play FB. Watson was the BPA that year when they picked, so they added him, and it has worked out, there is no doubt in my mind they will add Kalil there if they believe he is BPA, even though they might not need him entirely. They don't have any glaring needs besides safety, now that Thomas and Stallworth are signed up, so why not take the BPA with the first number one pick and a safety with the second 1st rounder, ever think of that?

go_ravens94
03-13-2007, 10:58 AM
The Ravens could pick Ramirez or Blades in Round 2. Decent pick... I like it...

my future me
03-13-2007, 11:02 AM
I don't know where you are going with that TE argument, you had Daniel Graham and Christian Fauria and you still drafted Ben Watson, last year you had Graham and Watson and you drafted David Thomas and picked up Garrett Mills as well, both tight ends in college, still both tight ends now, although Mills could play FB. Watson was the BPA that year when they picked, so they added him, and it has worked out, there is no doubt in my mind they will add Kalil there if they believe he is BPA, even though they might not need him entirely. They don't have any glaring needs besides safety, now that Thomas and Stallworth are signed up, so why not take the BPA with the first number one pick and a safety with the second 1st rounder, ever think of that?

You want the Patriots to draft Kalil, knowing that our interior line is signed through 2009, and is a very good interior line. Let's assume the Patriots drafted Kalil. Well, we can only possibly fit 2 guards and a center on the field at once. Will he start? Not over Mankins, Koppen or Neal. So, he will sit until 2009 while collecting a first round salary and signing bonus.

The Patriots have two solid, experienced, and most importantly in a salary cap era, yes, cheap backup guards in Mruczkowski and Hochstein.

Say, Bill Belichick thought that Drew Stanton was the best QB and one of the best players in the draft. He was available at 28, so he drafts him. Signs him to a standard 5-year deal where he can sit behind both Brady and Cassel till he is ready for free agency. All while vastly improving the team.

Depth is a good thing, but you can't have a starter earning starter money sitting on your bench for three seasons.

The Unseen
03-13-2007, 11:05 AM
Hate the first pick because we pass on Reggie Nelson.

Considering the first pick, I like the second, but I'd rather have it as Nelson in the first and Spencer in the second.

Great visuals, btw.

MJ Casiano
03-13-2007, 11:15 AM
That is an amazing layout. I remember when Darnik was just starting out in graphics when he was posting at FFJ.

BroadwayJoe10
03-13-2007, 11:20 AM
i like it for the graphics alone, im easily ammused...but i digress, liike the jets pick but now it makes me wonder if they dont pick blaylock where does he fall to

darnik44two
03-13-2007, 11:52 AM
i like it for the graphics alone, im easily ammused...but i digress, liike the jets pick but now it makes me wonder if they dont pick blaylock where does he fall to

I have Blalock falling to the Seahawks at #55. I have a 2nd round on page 3 of this thread. I had to post the mock in 4 separate immages, so I couldn't add the 2nd round to the original.

Space Ghost
03-13-2007, 12:36 PM
I wouldn't be upset to see Leon Hall as a Buffalo Bill. Great graphic work. You should get your own website up or something instead of wasting all that time into a message board when you could be making yourself some money with that work.

FloridaFootball
03-13-2007, 04:22 PM
The first 11 Picks were A++ matieral, after that it was D matieral, and F on the eagles pick

bhys16
03-13-2007, 06:53 PM
prob the best laid out mock ive seen in a while, ur good with graphics. and the content is great.. the exact first 11 i would have.. only 1 or 2 iffy picks and when ur doing a 2 rd mock thats pretty damn good. just for the record the kalil pick is not 1 of those, hes a damn good prospect and going by previous drafts if hes bpa the pats might well take him.. regardless he is def looking like a late 1st guy...
also as a niner fan really happy people are starting to relize 11 is not to high for willis and he will be damn good.. fits system perfectly

overall prob the best ive seen

darnik44two
03-13-2007, 07:06 PM
prob the best laid out mock ive seen in a while, ur good with graphics. and the content is great.. the exact first 11 i would have.. only 1 or 2 iffy picks and when ur doing a 2 rd mock thats pretty damn good. just for the record the kalil pick is not 1 of those, hes a damn good prospect and going by previous drafts if hes bpa the pats might well take him.. regardless he is def looking like a late 1st guy...
also as a niner fan really happy people are starting to relize 11 is not to high for willis and he will be damn good.. fits system perfectly

overall prob the best ive seen

Thanks, I appreciate it. Your comment on the Kalil pick tells me you've seen a few drafts in your day. I've followed the draft since 1989. I think the majority of people here haven't been around for many drafts. They seem to think teams only draft #1 need in round one, and guys have to have great 40 times to get drafted.

As for Willis, great fit and pick for the 49ers. But they couldn't go wrong with Carriker either.