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Shane P. Hallam
12-12-2009, 12:09 PM
Just tweaked my rankings. Figured it would be nice to share.

QB:

1. Jake Locker, QB, Washington
2. Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
3. Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
4. Ryan Mallett, QB, Arkansas
5. Tim Tebow, Qb, Florida
6. Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
7. Sean Canfield, QB, Oregon State
8. Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati
9. John Skelton, QB, Fordham
10. Levi Brown, QB Troy

Sleeper: Bill Stull, QB, Pittsburgh


RB:

1. CJ Spiller, RB, Clemson
2. Jonathan Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech
3. Jahvid Best, RB, Cal
4. Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State
5. Toby Gerhart, RB, Stanford
6. Montario Hardesty, RB, Tennessee
7. Anthony Dixon, RB, Mississippi State
8. Noel Devine, RB, West Virginia
9. Keith Toston, RB, Oklahoma State
10. Ben Tate, RB, Auburn

Sleeper: Michael Smith, RB, Arkansas

WR:

1. Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State
2. Arrelious Benn, Illinois
3. Brandon LaFell, LSU
4. Damian Williams, USC
5. Golden Tate, Notre Dame
6. Mardy Gilyard, Cincinnati
7. Demaryius Thomas, Georgia Tech
8. Danario Alexander, Missouri
9. Eric Decker, Minnesota
10. Jordan Shipley, Texas

Sleeper: Emmanuel Sanders, SMU

TE:

1. Jermaine Gresham, Oklahoma
2. Dennis Pitta, BYU
3. Ed Dickson, Oregon
4. Garrett Graham, Wisconsin
5. Anthony McCoy, USC
6. Aaron Hernandez, Florida
7. Jimmy Graham, Miami
8. Tony Moeaki, Iowa
9. Andrew Quarles, Penn State
10. Nate Byham, Pittsburgh

Sleeper: Cody Slate, Marshall

OT:

1. Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
2. Bruce Campbell, Maryland
3. Bryan Bulaga, Iowa
4. Trent Williams, Oklahoma
5. Anthony Davis, Rutgers
6. Jason Fox, Miami
7. Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
8. Charles Brown, USC
9. Ciron Black, LSU
10. Selvish Capers, West Virginia

Sleeper: Adam Ulatowski, Texas

OG:

1. Mike Iupati, Idaho
2. Vlad Ducasse, UMass
3. Mike Johnson, Alabama
4. Rodney Hudson, Florida State
5. Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
6. Zane Beadles, Utah
7. Shawn Lauvao, Arizona State
8. John Jerry, Ole Miss
9. Jon Asamoah, Illinois
10. Reggie Stephens, Iowa State

Sleeper: Doug Palmer, ECU

C:

1. Kris O’Dowd, USC
2. Matt Tennant, Boston College
3. Stefan Wisniewski, Penn State
4. JD Walton, Baylor
5. Ted Larsen, NC State
6. John Estes, Hawaii
7. Eric Olsen, Notre Dame
8. Erik Cook, New Mexico
9. Joe Hawley, UNLV
10. Kenny Alfred, Washington State

Sleeper: Joel Nitchman, Michigan State

DE:

1. Derrick Morgan, Georgia Tech
2. Carlos Dunlap, Florida
3. Greg Romeus, Pitt
4. Jason Pierre-Paul, USF
5. Everson Griffin, USC
6. Greg Hardy, Ole Miss
7. Jeremy Beal, Oklahoma
8. Corey Wootton, Northwestern
9. Brandon Graham, Michigan
10. Ricky Sapp, Clemson

Sleeper: Koa Misi, Utah


DT:

1. Ndamukong Suh, Nebraska
2. Gerald McCoy, Oklahoma
3. Terrence Cody, Alabama
4. Allen Bailey, Miami (Fl)
5. Dan Williams, Tennessee
6. Marvin Austin, North Carolina
7. Brian Price, UCLA
8. Arthur Jones, Syracuse
9. Jared Odrick, Penn State
10. Vince Oghobaase, Duke

Sleeper: Lamarr Houston, Texas

OLB:

1. Sean Weatherspoon, Missouri
2. Sergio Kindle, Texas
3. Travis Lewis, Oklahoma
4. Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
5. Jerry Hughes, TCU
6. Von Miller, Texas A&M
7. Eric Norwood, South Carolina
8. Roddrick Muckelroy, Texas
9. Rico McCoy, Tennessee
10. Dekoda Watson, Florida State

Sleeper: Boris Lee, Troy


ILB:

1. Rolando McClain, Alabama
2. Brandon Spikes, Florida
3. Daryl Washington, TCU
4. Sean Lee, Penn State
5. Pat Angerer, Iowa
6. Micah Johnson, Kentucky
7. Ryan D’Imperio, Rutgers
8. Joe Pawelek, Baylor
9. Jamar Chaney, Mississippi State
10. Mike McLaughlin, Boston College

Sleeper: Jared Norton, Texas (If medical redshirt falls through)

CB:

1. Joe Haden, Florida
2. Perrish Cox, Oklahoma State
3. Patrick Robinson, Florida State
4. Brandon Ghee, Wake Forest
5. Myron Lewis, Vanderbilt
6. Donovan Warren, Michigan
7. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (PA)
8. Kyle Wilson, Boise State
9. Devin McCourty, Rutgers
10. Trevard Lindley, Kentucky

Sleeper: Chris Chancellor, Clemson

S:

1. Eric Berry, Tennessee
2. Taylor Mays, USC
3. Earl Thomas, Texas
4. Reshad Jones, Georgia
5. Nate Allen, USF
6. Major Wright, Florida
7. Darrell Stuckey, Kansas
8. Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech
9. Harry Coleman, LSU
10. Kyle McCarthy, Notre Dame

Sleeper: Kurt Coleman, Ohio State

bearsfan_51
12-12-2009, 12:21 PM
We disagree on a few things, particularly on the defensive line, but overall pretty similar.

wicket
12-12-2009, 12:22 PM
I like your rankings at most positions, only not that happy about your TE ranking and your DE ranking

scottyboy
12-12-2009, 12:50 PM
I enjoy D'Imperio and McCourty up there! but Davis at 5? yuck!
and damn this crazyWR draft, Timmy Brown needs some love!

RaiderNation
12-12-2009, 01:01 PM
If all those JR dlinemen declare this is going to be a crazy draft

Iamcanadian
12-12-2009, 01:36 PM
I think this is a fine ranking for this stage in the draft process, of course the juniors and small college players will be under heavy scrutiny in the post season with the best opportunity to make sizable jumps in either direction once they get compared against the other prospects so it is still far from a finished list but a great starting point..

Babylon
12-12-2009, 01:36 PM
Cant quibble too much but at the DE position i'd have Griffin and Hardy 1st and 2nd.

Paranoidmoonduck
12-12-2009, 01:59 PM
Not a fan of Syd'quan Thompson, I take it?

Shane P. Hallam
12-12-2009, 02:03 PM
Not a fan of Syd'quan Thompson, I take it?

I think he may suffer what other corners have suffered from recently. Being short and not having blazing fast speed. If he doesn't run up to par, he will far hard.

Paranoidmoonduck
12-12-2009, 02:05 PM
I think he may suffer what other corners have suffered from recently. Being short and not having blazing fast speed. If he doesn't run up to par, he will far hard.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but are these rankings a draft stock snapshot or are they personal opinion. If it's the latter, I have a hard time believing there are ten cornerbacks who are better than Thompson right now. He's played great this year.

fischbowl
12-12-2009, 02:09 PM
JBond, where do you have LeFevour and Hiller falling?

descendency
12-12-2009, 03:17 PM
Sleeper: Austen Lane, 43 DE (maybe 34 OLB), Murray State. He's very athletic and while he plays weak competition, I saw him play NC State live. Was not overly impressive, but had a good game.

Taylor Mays... more like 5th safety.

fischbowl
12-12-2009, 03:18 PM
Sleeper: Austen Lane, 43 DE (maybe 34 OLB), Murray State.

Taylor Mays... more like 5th safety.

Yeah Mays had a bad year, but just because he's a fantastic prospect and physical freak anyways, I have no problem with that ranking

scottyboy
12-12-2009, 03:25 PM
Mays is gonna have what happened to Kenny Phillips. A freakish athlete with a down year before he entered with superb years prior. It's hilarious the hate Mays is getting right now.
And my safety sleeper, a guy I love and think will be a backup who'll turn starter due to injury is Myron Rolle. Freakin' love thiat kid

descendency
12-12-2009, 05:52 PM
Mays is gonna have what happened to Kenny Phillips. A freakish athlete with a down year before he entered with superb years prior. It's hilarious the hate Mays is getting right now.

2 bad years*

He sat behind an elite pass rush and now that it is gone, he can't do anything. He has no ball skills, no deep coverage skills, and no tackling skills. He's a big hitter with freakish size speed combo.

I'm starting to love the Mays to the Jets more and more though now that Kerry Rhodes is mouthing off to Rex Ryan. (As a Patriots fan, of course)

edit: I think he's a late first rounder just on potential though.

Shane P. Hallam
12-12-2009, 06:10 PM
I wouldn't necessarily disagree, but are these rankings a draft stock snapshot or are they personal opinion. If it's the latter, I have a hard time believing there are ten cornerbacks who are better than Thompson right now. He's played great this year.

It's the latter, and maybe there aren't ten corners in college football who are better than him, but as an NFL prospect, there are.

JBond, where do you have LeFevour and Hiller falling?

LeFevour is soon after these ten. I am torn on him. I have seen him make come very bad choices and I think he is a long way away, but he has the talent. Hiller is fairly far down my list.

Sleeper: Austen Lane, 43 DE (maybe 34 OLB), Murray State. He's very athletic and while he plays weak competition, I saw him play NC State live. Was not overly impressive, but had a good game.

I like Lane. He was in one of my Hot List articles, he is moving up.

And I like Mays more than some, I think he can find success in the NFL, but he is a risk.

fenikz
12-12-2009, 06:14 PM
Mays is gonna have what happened to Kenny Phillips. A freakish athlete with a down year before he entered with superb years prior. It's hilarious the hate Mays is getting right now.
And my safety sleeper, a guy I love and think will be a backup who'll turn starter due to injury is Myron Rolle. Freakin' love thiat kid

what down year?

JR 82 Tackles, 2 INT, 6 TFL, 5 PBU, 3 FF

Giantsfan1080
12-12-2009, 06:18 PM
Even as a Rutgers fan I wasn't that high on McCourty but he's really changed my opinion on him. He's going to end up a better player than most people think. I don't think he'll be a #1 CB but he's going to end up a very good #2. I think he should be a 3rd rounder at this point.

TACKLE
12-12-2009, 06:40 PM
Really glad to see you put this out Jbond.

I think you and Scott both dangerously underrate Brian Price. I know you probably didn't get to see a lot of him being on the East coast and all but he was dominant all year. He is very similar to Sedrick Ellis. The guy has everything you look for in a 3-tech prospect.

Also, I'm not quite sure what to think abot Bruce Campbell so high. I know his physical tools are off the charts but when I watch him play I have yet to be impressed. He plays very high and because of this he really struggles in the run game. In pass pro, he obviousl has the physical tools: long arms, athleticism, etc., but he also seems to struggle to anchor and has some technical problems. I know teams will take a chance on a guy like him because they feel like finding a LT with elite physical tools is very hard to find and they feel they can develop him. Though even in a class that outside of the top guy is very up in the air, imo, there's no way he's the second best OT in this class.

Also, not enough love for Jerry Hughes. I know you probably question his ability to play DE in a 4-3. He's listed at 6'3 257 and I know he'll probably come in at like 6'2 255 but he is just as capable of playing DE as guys like Jermey Beal (listed at 6'3 261) and Ricky Sapp (6'5 240). Although Hughes is obviously a speed guy, I think he's shown he has the ability to hold his ground at the point of attack.

scottyboy
12-12-2009, 06:52 PM
what down year?

JR 82 Tackles, 2 INT, 6 TFL, 5 PBU, 3 FF

who, Kenny? I wouldn't call it a "down" year at all, but many felt it was. Many saw him as a disappointment from that year and that's why he fell. Trust me, I was THRILLED that he fell, he's one of my favorite Giants.

and GF1080, McCourty's been ridiculous this year. His heart and hustle is matched by his tackling ability and overal talent.

jballa838
12-12-2009, 07:15 PM
no George Selvie? Or Ronald Johnson, Safety from Utah?

scottyboy
12-12-2009, 07:18 PM
no George Selvie? Or Ronald Johnson, Safety from Utah?

selvie's been getting pwnd by everyone so far this year. but I agree, saw only 2 Utah games but that Johnson guy was EVERYWHERE

Shane P. Hallam
12-12-2009, 07:18 PM
no George Selvie? Or Ronald Johnson, Safety from Utah?

Nope, neither crack the Top 10 at this point, especially not Selvie.

holt_bruce81
12-12-2009, 08:11 PM
Nice work! I would have Bradford a head of Clausen but that's just me. Also, come on man! It's Sean Weatherspoon

Shane P. Hallam
12-12-2009, 09:16 PM
Really glad to see you put this out Jbond.

I think you and Scott both dangerously underrate Brian Price. I know you probably didn't get to see a lot of him being on the East coast and all but he was dominant all year. He is very similar to Sedrick Ellis. The guy has everything you look for in a 3-tech prospect.

Also, I'm not quite sure what to think abot Bruce Campbell so high. I know his physical tools are off the charts but when I watch him play I have yet to be impressed. He plays very high and because of this he really struggles in the run game. In pass pro, he obviousl has the physical tools: long arms, athleticism, etc., but he also seems to struggle to anchor and has some technical problems. I know teams will take a chance on a guy like him because they feel like finding a LT with elite physical tools is very hard to find and they feel they can develop him. Though even in a class that outside of the top guy is very up in the air, imo, there's no way he's the second best OT in this class.

Also, not enough love for Jerry Hughes. I know you probably question his ability to play DE in a 4-3. He's listed at 6'3 257 and I know he'll probably come in at like 6'2 255 but he is just as capable of playing DE as guys like Jermey Beal (listed at 6'3 261) and Ricky Sapp (6'5 240). Although Hughes is obviously a speed guy, I think he's shown he has the ability to hold his ground at the point of attack.

Haven't got to see as much of Price as I would have liked, but I have a few UCLA games taped, and he just never jumped out at me. Been very inconsistent, and just didn't show up against good teams. I need to see more though.

As for Campbell, it is tough, but he has been the one bright spot on Maryland. I really liked him in pass protection. Still has work, but on a ridiculously bad team where he often had to compensate for others, I thought he did really well.

As for Hughes, I'm as high as anyone on Hughes, but I went back and watched some more tape. I just don't think he can stop the run at the NFL level from the DE position. I think he definitely will make the moved to LB.

Paranoidmoonduck
12-12-2009, 09:20 PM
Haven't got to see as much of Price as I would have liked, but I have a few UCLA games taped, and he just never jumped out at me. Been very inconsistent, and just didn't show up against good teams. I need to see more though.

I would urge that you take another long look if you get the chance. I think Price was easily as good this past year as Sedrick Ellis was for the Trojans in 2006. That doesn't mean Price will have the kind of offseason rise that Ellis had, but he's been excellent for the Bruins.

thebow305
12-12-2009, 09:24 PM
Just a few concerns here. I guess these are just draft-eligible players, considering that you have included Ryan Mallett.

So where do you consider Dedrick Epps and Graig Cooper as prospects, as well as Leonard Hankerson.

I can't say for sure that Hankerson would be ranked higher than any of those wide recievers, but based on this season's production and his ability, an argument could be made that he should certainly be top 10.

And same goes for Cooper, I have to think that he should be ranked higher than guys like Toston and Tate just simply on ability and potential.

And lastly is Dedrick Epps. The lack of impact players at Tight End this year beyond Gresham, I think would certainly have to favor our tandem of Graham and Epps. Epps has arguably been the best TE on our team the last 2 years and most people that really watch the team know this. It's just the people that look at Graham and his size and physical ability that think he's the top guy and I can't argue too much because his potential is vast for sure. He probably has more potential than Epps long term, but I think Epps will be a very good player in the Pros. And for you not to think he's better than guys like Nate Byham, Cody Slate and Andrew Quarless is a little baffling.

Thoughts!?

Shane P. Hallam
12-12-2009, 09:34 PM
Just a few concerns here. I guess these are just draft-eligible players, considering that you have included Ryan Mallett.

So where do you consider Dedrick Epps and Graig Cooper as prospects, as well as Leonard Hankerson.

I can't say for sure that Hankerson would be ranked higher than any of those wide recievers, but based on this season's production and his ability, an argument could be made that he should certainly be top 10.

And same goes for Cooper, I have to think that he should be ranked higher than guys like Toston and Tate just simply on ability and potential.

And lastly is Dedrick Epps. The lack of impact players at Tight End this year beyond Gresham, I think would certainly have to favor our tandem of Graham and Epps. Epps has arguably been the best TE on our team the last 2 years and most people that really watch the team know this. It's just the people that look at Graham and his size and physical ability that think he's the top guy and I can't argue too much because his potential is vast for sure. He probably has more potential than Epps long term, but I think Epps will be a very good player in the Pros. And for you not to think he's better than guys like Nate Byham, Cody Slate and Andrew Quarless is a little baffling.

Thoughts!?

Not all draft eligible, just players I think will leave, so no Hankerson or Coop.

As for Epps, I do like Epps. He has been the best TE on Miami this year, but he isn't the best draft prospect on the team. He ranks at my 11 spot, and I hope his play in his Bowl/All-star game could definitely prop him up for me. TE is tough to rank because you have to balance blocking and receiving ability. Some teams only want that blocking threat and vice versa.

thebow305
12-12-2009, 09:51 PM
Not all draft eligible, just players I think will leave, so no Hankerson or Coop.

As for Epps, I do like Epps. He has been the best TE on Miami this year, but he isn't the best draft prospect on the team. He ranks at my 11 spot, and I hope his play in his Bowl/All-star game could definitely prop him up for me. TE is tough to rank because you have to balance blocking and receiving ability. Some teams only want that blocking threat and vice versa.

I'm still not sure why you ranked him lower than Nate Byham? Byham wasn't even the top TE on his team this year. Dorin Dickerson was the most productive TE in college football this year and looks like an excellent H-back prospect. If you are going to put anyone on that team over Epps, it should be Dickerson, that guy was a beast this year. I'm pretty sure he was a former LB and made the transition pretty seamlessly, I.E. Travis Beckum.

TACKLE
12-12-2009, 10:39 PM
Haven't got to see as much of Price as I would have liked, but I have a few UCLA games taped, and he just never jumped out at me. Been very inconsistent, and just didn't show up against good teams. I need to see more though.

As for Campbell, it is tough, but he has been the one bright spot on Maryland. I really liked him in pass protection. Still has work, but on a ridiculously bad team where he often had to compensate for others, I thought he did really well.

I'll make you a deal. I'll try to watch more Bruce Campbell if you watch more Brian Price.

Iamcanadian
12-12-2009, 10:50 PM
I'll make you a deal. I'll try to watch more Bruce Campbell if you watch more Brian Price.

Face it, at the Senior Bowl practice and the combine, he'll have every chance to prove his worth. We are pretty well past the film alone part of rating prospects. Both guys will have to show scouts and GM's that they have what it takes when lined up against prospect with lots of talent. In college they may only line up a couple of times against other pro prospects and therefore judging them on film alone is difficult. Now the real test begins.

Todd Bertuzzi
12-13-2009, 01:16 AM
Not really sure about DE and CB, but I agree with pretty much the rest of it. No Colin Peek though?

TACKLE
12-13-2009, 12:34 PM
Face it, at the Senior Bowl practice and the combine, he'll have every chance to prove his worth. We are pretty well past the film alone part of rating prospects. Both guys will have to show scouts and GM's that they have what it takes when lined up against prospect with lots of talent. In college they may only line up a couple of times against other pro prospects and therefore judging them on film alone is difficult. Now the real test begins.

Except they're both juniors.

Sniper
12-13-2009, 12:58 PM
9. Brandon Graham, Michigan

What. The. ****?

Sleeper: Kurt Coleman, Ohio State

What. The. ****. Times. Two?

Michigan
12-13-2009, 01:24 PM
The DE rankings are pretty wacky.

Rosebud
12-13-2009, 02:22 PM
Allen Bailey that high? Austin over Price?

Ozzy
12-13-2009, 05:29 PM
Golden Tate being that low is kind of odd, and one could argue Armon Binns has more potential than Arrelious Benn, especially as a down field threat.

Where are the Pouncey boys at? Easily two of the better interior offensive lineman around.

Navorro Bowman and Greg Jones? Easily both are in the top three best outside linebackers in the nation.

DeAndre McDaniel I think should be on the safety list as well since clearly it is not all seniors listed here.



But yeah clearly they are your rankings and the only reply people have to them is why is not this or that player on them. I feel they are missing a lot of underclassmen you did not include but maybe you have reason for that.



Dividing FS and SS would be an idea and isolating 3/4 OLB is pretty key as well because clearly Kindle is ranked a lot higher if you consider him a 3/4 OLB, same with Pierre-Paul and Norwood.

SuperKevin
12-13-2009, 05:35 PM
Like Ozzy I am going to ask where the Pouncey's and Greg Jones are

Shane P. Hallam
12-13-2009, 06:05 PM
If there are underclassmen not in there, don't sweat it. May mean I don't think they will come out, or, in the case of the Pounceys, I was working through this before it was apparent they would come out.

Me Likey Rookies
12-14-2009, 12:49 AM
I'll make you a deal. I'll try to watch more Bruce Campbell if you watch more Brian Price.

TACKLE, i am right with you on Price. I am watching the USC-UCLA game right now and his burst off the line is phenomenal. You can read my thoughts and watch his games vs Tennessee and Oregon here...
http://www.prodraftparty.com/2009/dt-brian-price-scouting-report/

I will have his game against Cal and USC and the bowl game in his season highlight video after the bowl game

Also, Everson Griffen and Rahim Moore are fun to watch

Flyboy
12-14-2009, 02:41 AM
Mays is gonna have what happened to Kenny Phillips. A freakish athlete with a down year before he entered with superb years prior. It's hilarious the hate Mays is getting right now.
And my safety sleeper, a guy I love and think will be a backup who'll turn starter due to injury is Myron Rolle. Freakin' love thiat kid

Heh, if Mays were available sometime around the range where the Saints picked I'd be THRILLED.

TACKLE
12-17-2009, 09:15 PM
I went back and watch some more Bruce Campbell and I have to say I was probably a little too hard on him. The ability is clearly there. He doesn't get beat around the corner and once he gets his long arms on the defender he just shuts down his pass rush. With that being said he still plays to high. He is a non-factor in the run game and gets very little push. He also plays high in pass-pro which cause him to be a bit off balance and cause him to struggle against rushers who use quick change of direction moves. I still stand by that he's shouldn't be a first round pick in this years draft and isn't the #2 OT in this draft, but with that being said, I'm definitely higher on him than I was before.