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KCJ58
03-12-2007, 12:56 AM
Tell Me what you think this is (IMO)

1. USC
2. Michigan
3. West Virgina
4. LSU
5. Florida
6. Ohio St.
7. Wisconsin
8. Texas
9. Auburn
10. Louisville
11. California
12. Bosie St.
13. Arkansas
14. Wake Forest
15. Notre Dame
16. Oklahoma
17. Virgina Tech
18. Tennessee
19. Boston College
20. Rutgers
21. Hawaii
22. Penn St.
23. Florida St.
24. South Carolina
25. UCLA

soybean
03-12-2007, 02:31 AM
wheres the ucla love?

Green Bay Scat
03-12-2007, 08:18 AM
Boise Rutgers and Wake will all be lower, they have talent, they just need the new players to appear

georgiafan
03-12-2007, 09:32 AM
Where is Georgia ?

Jughead10
03-12-2007, 09:49 AM
Boise Rutgers and Wake will all be lower, they have talent, they just need the new players to appear

Not familiar with the situation at Wake but I think that is a good spot for Rutgers. Rice and the O-line will pretty much still be intact. That is strong point of the offense. Their best defensive players are returning and the rest should catch up. Its more about scheme over individual talent. Not to mention that the schedule is a joke.

fenikz
03-12-2007, 11:35 AM
flordia st?

where is miami

bwillie26
03-12-2007, 11:50 AM
Nebraska? Every list I have seen has them listed as a top 15-20 team.

etk
03-12-2007, 11:52 AM
wtf where is Miami? We are loaded next year no matter who our QB is.

The King
03-12-2007, 12:01 PM
I hate to say it but I think ND should not be higher then 20 or even in the top 25 for preseason. Now if they beat GT the first week we all know the AP will have them in the top 10 :)

Jeff82
03-12-2007, 12:19 PM
I have numerous things that I want to say about the top 25, but i'll just ask one question ... how did South Carolina make the top 25 but Georgia didn't?

OhioState
03-12-2007, 01:52 PM
notre dame lost every impact player from the last few years, they are young and not that talented at every offensive position and only their lb's will be decent on d

Michigan
03-12-2007, 02:43 PM
Nothing personal, but i really don't agree with many of the original posters rankings. Wake Forest? Notre Dame? WVA 3rd?

here's what i would go with

1. USC
2. LSU
3. Michigan
4. Texas
5. Florida
6. Ohio State
7. Tennessee
8. Virginia Tech
9. California
10. Wisconsin
11. West Virginia
12. Auburn
13. Oklahoma
14. Nebraska
15. Miami (FL)
16. TCU
17. Louisville
18. UCLA
19. Florida State
20. Arkansas
21. Penn State
22. South Florida
23. Boston College
24. Alabama
25. Boise State

LonghornsLegend
03-13-2007, 02:25 AM
you put south florida twice...and i think texas is gonna be stocked more then LSU, i think its tough to put a team so high that is changing qb's, no matter how good the new one is supposed to be, if he's never played a dwn, i wouldnt put him so high


and WV at 11 is kinda ridiculous, they have as good a shot as anyone to win the NC next year if they beat rutgers

Jughead10
03-13-2007, 12:19 PM
notre dame lost every impact player from the last few years, they are young and not that talented at every offensive position and only their lb's will be decent on d

I don't know about not talented at every offensive position. They have one of the best TEs in the country. And one of the better centers in the country. They have a lot of heralded recruits at skill positions on offense, just have to see how they pan out. I think they could squeeze into the the preaseson top 25, but they will definately be in the 22-25 in my opinion.

Michigan
03-13-2007, 12:46 PM
you put south florida twice...


thanks. fixed

Eaglez.Fan
03-13-2007, 12:56 PM
I'd say WVU 2nd, Michigan 3rd behind USC

princefielder28
03-13-2007, 02:02 PM
Wisconsin is certainly better than tOSU

princefielder28
03-13-2007, 02:02 PM
Wisconsin is certainly better than tOSU

neko4
03-13-2007, 02:21 PM
When they make the Preseason top25, how much do they base it on where it ended the year before?

princefielder28
03-13-2007, 03:06 PM
When they make the Preseason top25, how much do they base it on where it ended the year before?

A little bit but it all depends on who you have coming back and who could emerge

volman88
03-13-2007, 04:57 PM
Tennessee at 7 might be kind of high especially with the injury to erik ainge.

Jagonsucker
03-13-2007, 05:20 PM
1. USC
2. LSU
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Texas
6. California
7. Oklahoma
8. Virginia Tech
9. Ohio State
10. Wisconsin
11. Tennessee
12. Auburn
13. West Virginia
14. Nebraska
15. Miami
16. Arkansas
17. Louisville
18. UCLA
19. Penn State
20. Notre Dame
21. Florida State
22. Boise State
23. TCU
24. Alabama
25. South Florida

OhioState
03-13-2007, 07:09 PM
Wisconsin is certainly better than tOSU

could you explain why please

OhioState
03-13-2007, 07:10 PM
I don't know about not talented at every offensive position. They have one of the best TEs in the country. And one of the better centers in the country. They have a lot of heralded recruits at skill positions on offense, just have to see how they pan out. I think they could squeeze into the the preaseson top 25, but they will definately be in the 22-25 in my opinion.

i agree they could be in the 20's but i do not think they will end there, they are always overrated

TheMikey10
03-13-2007, 07:19 PM
USC
Michigan
Oklahoma
California
Louisville
LSU
Texas
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Florida
Ohio State
Tennessee
UCLA
Boston College
South Florida
Texas A&M
Auburn
Nebraska
Penn State
Georgia
South Carolina
Wake Forest
TCU
Rutgers
Notre Dame

Slasher28
03-13-2007, 07:28 PM
Central Michigan?

smittyjs
03-13-2007, 07:34 PM
I would have to put vandy some where in the Top 5.....:eek:

Also UF should be top three IMO

Chucky
03-13-2007, 08:10 PM
I think Auburn will end up in a BCS bowl game this year, their D is still stacked

Primetime21
03-13-2007, 10:15 PM
USC
Michigan
Oklahoma
California
Louisville
LSU
Texas
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Florida
Ohio State
Tennessee
UCLA
Boston College
South Florida
Texas A&M
Auburn
Nebraska
Penn State
Georgia
South Carolina
Wake Forest
TCU
Rutgers
Notre Dame

Where is Boise State I think they are a lock for top 15. Even if they lost leaders of defense and their horrible QB. Johnson for Heisman.

JC the Savior
03-13-2007, 10:27 PM
1. USC
2. LSU
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Texas
6. California
7. Oklahoma
8. Virginia Tech
9. Ohio State
10. Wisconsin
11. Tennessee
12. Auburn
13. West Virginia
14. Nebraska
15. Miami
16. Arkansas
17. Louisville
18. UCLA
19. Penn State
20. Notre Dame
21. Florida State
22. Boise State
23. TCU
24. Alabama
25. South Florida

This looks good.

Jughead10
03-14-2007, 07:27 AM
i agree they could be in the 20's but i do not think they will end there, they are always overrated

Actually not as much as you would think. I did a little research a while ago and in recent years Michigan has been more overrated than ND. In terms off where you were ranked preseason and where you finished the year. Although I looked this up before this past season ended so that years info wouldn't be there. You could say Notre Dame was overrated this year for starting 2nd and ending wherever they did, was it 18? But then on the flip side you could say they were underrated in 2005 when they started the season unranked and ended up in the Fiesta Bowl.

Sniper
03-14-2007, 07:32 AM
Yeah but the only reason ND made the Fiesta Bowl, is, well, because they are ND. No one else gets that kind of free pass from voters

Bing Bong Wong
03-14-2007, 09:00 AM
fighting irish #1 baby

Jughead10
03-14-2007, 10:19 AM
Yeah but the only reason ND made the Fiesta Bowl, is, well, because they are ND. No one else gets that kind of free pass from voters

Actually I believe if they had 9 wins they get an automatic BCS Bowl Bid. I'm not sure that is the case anymore with the one extra game most teams player now. But when they played Ohio St in the Fiesta Bowl, in their contract with the NCAA all they need is 9 wins.

Jughead10
03-14-2007, 10:21 AM
1. USC
2. LSU
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Texas
6. California
7. Oklahoma
8. Virginia Tech
9. Ohio State
10. Wisconsin
11. Tennessee
12. Auburn
13. West Virginia
14. Nebraska
15. Miami
16. Arkansas
17. Louisville
18. UCLA
19. Penn State
20. Notre Dame
21. Florida State
22. Boise State
23. TCU
24. Alabama
25. South Florida

You can't put South Florida over Rutgers yet.

Michigan
03-14-2007, 03:07 PM
why not? (10 characters)

OhioState
03-14-2007, 06:45 PM
Actually I believe if they had 9 wins they get an automatic BCS Bowl Bid. I'm not sure that is the case anymore with the one extra game most teams player now. But when they played Ohio St in the Fiesta Bowl, in their contract with the NCAA all they need is 9 wins.

i don't think so, for them to get an automatic they have to finish in the top 9 in the AP.
I could be wrong though

Green Bay Scat
03-14-2007, 08:02 PM
I would have to put vandy some where in the Top 5.....:eek:

Also UF should be top three IMO

Yeah ill second that, Vandy should be top 5 at the least. its our year in the sec

Michigan
03-14-2007, 08:03 PM
i don't think so, for them to get an automatic they have to finish in the top 9 in the AP.
I could be wrong though

how does the AP have anything to do with the BCS?

soybean
03-14-2007, 08:44 PM
well the BCS formula uses the AP to factor in its standings... i think.

Iamcanadian
03-15-2007, 08:07 AM
Tell Me what you think this is (IMO)

1. USC
2. Michigan
3. West Virgina
4. LSU
5. Florida
6. Ohio St.
7. Wisconsin
8. Texas
9. Auburn
10. Louisville
11. California
12. Bosie St.
13. Arkansas
14. Wake Forest
15. Notre Dame
16. Oklahoma
17. Virgina Tech
18. Tennessee
19. Boston College
20. Rutgers
21. Hawaii
22. Penn St.
23. Florida St.
24. South Carolina
25. UCLA

I don't like it, top 10 teams usually have veteran QB's and a # of your top 10 teams don't. You #'s 4 through 7 have new starters at QB and no matter how good they may become, it is a huge adjustment usually resulting in a couple of loses before they settle in, see Texas last year!!!

P-L
03-15-2007, 10:45 AM
Actually not as much as you would think. I did a little research a while ago and in recent years Michigan has been more overrated than ND. In terms off where you were ranked preseason and where you finished the year. Although I looked this up before this past season ended so that years info wouldn't be there. You could say Notre Dame was overrated this year for starting 2nd and ending wherever they did, was it 18? But then on the flip side you could say they were underrated in 2005 when they started the season unranked and ended up in the Fiesta Bowl.

If you go by preseason ranks, being overrated isn't necessarily a bad thing. Over the past 10 years the teams that are overrated the most (not in any order) are Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Texas, LSU, Miami, and USC. Some Wisconsin fan posted those statistics and those teams made up 8 of the top 15-20 most overrated teams of the last 10 years. All of these team face huge expectations year after year. No team can meet expectations every single year. Infact, more times than not, the top teams don't meet their expectations.

TomatoVSC
03-15-2007, 05:45 PM
USC
Michigan
Oklahoma
California
Louisville
LSU
Texas
West Virginia
Wisconsin
Florida
Ohio State
Tennessee
UCLA
Boston College
South Florida
Texas A&M
Auburn
Nebraska
Penn State
Georgia
South Carolina
Wake Forest
TCU
Rutgers
Notre Dame

No Virginia Tech? You might be forgetting that VT returns the 2x reigning #1 NCAA defense...

Put VT in the top 10, around 8 or 9.

OhioState
03-16-2007, 05:27 PM
how does the AP have anything to do with the BCS?

maybe they have to finish at 9 or better in the final BCS standings?

Finlayson56
03-16-2007, 07:48 PM
1.Michigan
2.West Virgina
3.USC
4.Texas
5.Louisville
6.Ohio St.
7.Wisconsin
8.LSU
9. Auburn
10.Florida
11.California
12.Arkansas
13. Oklahoma
14. Wake Forest
15. Notre Dame
16. Bosie St.
17. Virgina Tech
18. Tennessee
19. Boston College
20. Florida State
21. Hawaii
22. Miami
23. UCLA
24. South Carolina
25. Rutgers

Big Mike
03-16-2007, 08:09 PM
i'd make USC # 1 now that they got Marc Tyler AND McJnight. Imagine if Claussen stayed in California though at USC

reigle9
03-16-2007, 08:10 PM
^ Missing a central PA school.

fenikz
03-16-2007, 08:44 PM
1.Michigan
2.West Virgina
3.USC
4.Texas
5.Louisville
6.Ohio St.
7.Wisconsin
8.LSU
9. Auburn
10.Florida
11.California
12.Arkansas
13. Oklahoma
14. Wake Forest
15. Notre Dame
16. Bosie St.
17. Virgina Tech
18. Tennessee
19. Boston College
20. Florida State
21. Hawaii
22. Miami
23. UCLA
24. South Carolina
25. Rutgers

flordia state over miami...please

but atleast you gave the ACC some love

Acreboy
03-17-2007, 11:57 PM
you put south florida twice...and i think texas is gonna be stocked more then LSU, i think its tough to put a team so high that is changing qb's, no matter how good the new one is supposed to be, if he's never played a dwn, i wouldnt put him so high


and WV at 11 is kinda ridiculous, they have as good a shot as anyone to win the NC next year if they beat rutgers

/homer

You're wrong.

BTW, he led LSU to a win in the Peach Bowl against Miami.

He was also MVP of that game. Please do some research before you say he's never played a down.

1.Michigan
2.West Virgina
3.USC
4.Texas
5.Louisville
6.Ohio St.
7.Wisconsin
8.LSU
9. Auburn
10.Florida
11.California
12.Arkansas
13. Oklahoma
14. Wake Forest
15. Notre Dame
16. Bosie St.
17. Virgina Tech
18. Tennessee
19. Boston College
20. Florida State
21. Hawaii
22. Miami
23. UCLA
24. South Carolina
25. Rutgers
LMAO LSU that low? Reasoning?

vatech=accdomination
03-22-2007, 12:40 PM
if you dont have Vt in the top 15, you know nothing about college football.

TigerBait45
03-23-2007, 10:28 PM
Va. Tech is a top 10 (Maybe Top 5 when all is said and done) team this year. That defense will probably be 1st or 2nd in the nation again.

The two best looking teams next year are probably USC and LSU, which seems to be the case a lot recently. USC brings just about everyone back, and they're loaded on both sides of the ball.

LSU has some offensive questions, as we're starting a new QB (and more than likely rotating Ryan Perrilloux into games every now and then) and need to replace our top two receivers, but there is no question that this defense is one of the elite groups out there. The only player of consequence leaving is LaRon Landry.

As for Texas, I don't think they have the defense to win the Big XII. The defense was pretty lackluster last year with Michael Griffin and Aaron Ross, and now they're gone.

pirateboy
03-27-2007, 03:19 AM
ok UF is losing a few guys. still i think we beat out LSU. if for no other reason tebow is going to be great. dont get me wrong im going to miss the era of leak but i think tebow will do nicely. point is i think 5 is a bit low especially with LSU over us

pirateboy
03-27-2007, 03:21 AM
also i dont see USC or Michigan as top teams at the start of the season to get there is going to depend on their play in the early games

draftguru151
03-27-2007, 08:51 AM
also i dont see USC or Michigan as top teams at the start of the season to get there is going to depend on their play in the early games

There is no reason why USC shouldn't be the preseason #1.

TigerBait45
03-27-2007, 01:19 PM
USC is easily the #1 team.

Number 2 is up in the air, but theres no way you can leave Southern Cal out of that top spot.

By the way, Florida lost way, way too much on both sides of the ball to win the SEC this coming year. In a few they'll be pretty scary, but I wouldn't expect more than 9-3, 10-2 at best. Good year, but not what UF fans are expecting I'm sure.

iowatreat54
03-27-2007, 01:57 PM
also i dont see USC or Michigan as top teams at the start of the season to get there is going to depend on their play in the early games

hahahahahahahha have you ever watched college football ever? USC is returning a large majority of their starters minus WRs, and Michigan is returning basically its whole offense and still has a good D with what they are returning...USC is 99% definite the preseason #1 with Michigan prolly #2 or #3...#5 is definately not too low for Florida, the highest they will be is #4 and thats if they get lucky

pirateboy
03-27-2007, 05:29 PM
the fact of the matter is that USC and Michigan both have alot of returning players who couldnt get it done last season. Are they suddenly going to have that little extra they didnt have last year? Maybe in your delusional dream world, but in the real world its not going to happen. Florida is losing a chunk of the secondary where they always have amazing depth same goes for DL. If you want to address the WR position. It seems almost every year they have someone new step up and become a leader there. So obviously the depth at that position is good as well. Florida might lose alot of players but the players stepping into those empty slots are just as qualified as those vacating them.

pirateboy
03-27-2007, 05:34 PM
and by the way maybe putting yourself on the line for what you think is out these days. as i havent seen anyone yet make a statement that you wouldnt hear analist on espn saying as well. so obviously noone here really believes in putting themselves out there. its all safe picks here. you put yourself out there and you win some and you lose some, but dont be run of the mill. so im going to put myself out on a limb here and say regardless of the player loss in Florida im going to vocalize my faith in their depth and say Florida still wins the SEC this year. go ahead say what you want. plagiarize the paid analist. dont have faith in yourself or your own ideas or opinions.

benchod
03-27-2007, 06:22 PM
Its commendable that you want to 'put yourself on the line,' but don't call someone delusional when you are lying to yourself.

USC is the preseason #1, based simply on the results of last season. They ended very impressively (not as much as Florida) and return the most talent from the previous season. Florida returns less talent and has to fill what is widely regarded as bigger holes. Tebow is going to ease the transition at QB (you can easily be a cynic and question how good of a passer he'll really be), but there are simply more unknowns at Michigan and Florida compared to USC.

Whether USC will run the table this year, on the other hand, is in doubt because they have a rough schedule, but don't call someone delusional because they have a firm grasp of reality to understand that USC is the number 1 team entering the season.

scottyboy
03-27-2007, 06:24 PM
im loving this lack of rutgers. I mean some guys dont even them have them in the top 25! did ray rice just disappear? i mean, they lose 2 staring OL but replace them with a top recruit, and a younger brother(with more talent) Teel learned how to win in 1st year as starter and grew with his 2 freshman WR's in Britt and Brown. The biggest loses are Leonard and Harris. The D stays intact with its team D

iowatreat54
03-27-2007, 06:35 PM
its not a matter of putting your opinion out there or taking a chance...that would be the case if you had been plugging someone other than your team and stopped being a homer...I hate michigan yet I think they will be ranked top 3, I'm not saying ooo well Iowa has some returning players so they should be ranked because I know that won't happen...fact of the matter is USC is the best football team on paper right now and has a 99.9999% chance of being preseason #1...you don't think so, great, good for you...but I expect to see you back here when preseason polls come out to rub it in our face that...chuckles...florida is #1 and USC is like 6...can't wait

pirateboy
03-27-2007, 06:49 PM
i never said florida should be #1 and i never said USC should fall that low either. as far as usc finishing of great, thats debatable. they finish off notre dame who was collapsing as it was. but what happend to usc after that? lol. because of usc's apparent inability to go see things to the conclusion i disagree with usc as a number one. i agree that florida lost too many guys for the number 1 spot as well. and too many concerns with michigan for them to be number one as well. and if the change at qb is that important than osu is definately not a number one either. i am not saying florida should be number one im saying none of these teams should be. as for who should be lets just say im glad im responsible for deciding. whoever ends up at number one come preseason i dont think will stay there for sure. and youre right usc probably will sit at the top when the preseason poll comes out. i maintain my point that with any of those teams in that spot its the wrong choice. this is why the ap poll system is the most flawed system in sports. a preseason poll? come on. before the guys even step on the field its like saying "those guys there, they dont stand a chance" there shouldnt be a preseason poll or any poll for that matter. it should all be based on how they play. and i realize that me saying that sounds stupid because that same sort of flawed rating system is the only reason florida got a chance to contend for the nc last year but i still maintain that polls and rankings are the most idiotic way of deciding anything when it comes to sports. well other than the draft which is based on where the team finish the year before.

iowatreat54
03-27-2007, 06:57 PM
i never said florida should be #1 and i never said USC should fall that low either. as far as usc finishing of great, thats debatable. they finish off notre dame who was collapsing as it was. but what happend to usc after that? lol. because of usc's apparent inability to go see things to the conclusion i disagree with usc as a number one. i agree that florida lost too many guys for the number 1 spot as well. and too many concerns with michigan for them to be number one as well. and if the change at qb is that important than osu is definately not a number one either. i am not saying florida should be number one im saying none of these teams should be. as for who should be lets just say im glad im responsible for deciding. whoever ends up at number one come preseason i dont think will stay there for sure. and youre right usc probably will sit at the top when the preseason poll comes out. i maintain my point that with any of those teams in that spot its the wrong choice. this is why the ap poll system is the most flawed system in sports. a preseason poll? come on. before the guys even step on the field its like saying "those guys there, they dont stand a chance" there shouldnt be a preseason poll or any poll for that matter. it should all be based on how they play. and i realize that me saying that sounds stupid because that same sort of flawed rating system is the only reason florida got a chance to contend for the nc last year but i still maintain that polls and rankings are the most idiotic way of deciding anything when it comes to sports. well other than the draft which is based on where the team finish the year before.

just a question of clarification...if you don't think USC or Michigan is qualified enough to be the top team and as you say you don't think Florida is and since you are putting yourself out there...who do you suggest is most qualified to be #1?

I know you don't believe in preseason polls and what not, but I'd just like to hear who is more qualified in your eyes?

pirateboy
03-27-2007, 07:06 PM
i am not saying florida should be number one im saying none of these teams should be. as for who should be lets just say im glad im responsible for deciding.

theres your answer

iowatreat54
03-27-2007, 07:10 PM
fair enough...atleast the people who say USC or Michigan or whoever you don't like/most of America is stealing from analysts apparently, atleast those people have enough balls to say a number 1...and this coming after you said you are throwing yourself on the line and not being like everyone else...sounds kinda hypocritical...

OhioState
03-27-2007, 07:17 PM
no matter where ohio state is ranked they will be great with their new style of ball. they may have more close wins but i predict more wins than last year.;)

pirateboy
03-27-2007, 07:17 PM
ok ok i said something about putting youself outthere so ill make a pick. but since i dont think most of everyones top 5 or so really should be it sort of narrows my options. idk lets say maybe WVU. no ill tell you id like to put USF up there. lol. not for a few years anyway. now mind you this is who i think should be not who i think will be. as i said before usc probably will be the number one at the start of the season. doesnt mean i agree with it. i think due to all the questions at all those other teams you have to put someone else up there. lets just pretend for a moment that i believe in the poll and that what i think will happen and what i think should happen are the same thing. in a perfect world where what makes since and what actually happens are one this is the way id put it.

1. WVU
2. USC
3. Michigan
4. Florida
5. Ohio State
6. LSU

im not even gonna bother going any farther because 5- 15 are always falling and climbing all season long every year it seems. why did i even put 5 and 6 because i felt people would want to know where i put LSU since i did comment on the fact that i didnt feel they should out rank florida. are we satisfied now that i at least put something up there?

pirateboy
03-27-2007, 07:25 PM
lets put it this we are at a strange time when teams with serious issues to address are sitting in the top 5 or so. why is this? because there seems to be some sort of gap between those teams and the teams just below them. to put ohio state, lsu or even florida up there its like saying that even if all the players that will be taking over played as horrible as possible, becuase we really dont know how they are going to fare in the ncaa, these teams would still take all the teams from say 7 down any day of the week. and i dont know if that true. for all the USC, OSU, Mich, LSU, fans im right there with you in hoping so becuase im in the same situation. but at a certain point blind faith becomes naivety and gullability.

iowatreat54
03-27-2007, 07:25 PM
see now we can get somewhere...as much as I love WV and the fact they return a sick offense, their defense is pretty abysmal...unless they suddenly transform into a top 5 defense I can't see them being #1...that being said USC returns just as potent of an offense as WV (I think WV is better but USC is close) and a defense that is far and beyond WV's...that coupled with beating a good/talented Michigan team (as opposed to to GTech)...the teams return alot of their teams from a season where USC finished 4, michigan 8, WV 10...we could get into an argument of who played/plays tougher opponents/conferences but that's opening a can of worms...so taking statistics, last year, returning players, USC and Michigan have a much higher chance of starting the year higher than WV

pirateboy
03-27-2007, 07:29 PM
but the argument that i maintain against USC is this yes they have nearly all their starters returning, but those same starters had a NC appearance locked up all but one game and what happened? they fouled it up. now granted it was a rivalry and noone knows better than UF or FSU fans that records, positioning, rankings all go out the window when it comes to rivalries. the fact is that it still counts against you.

iowatreat54
03-27-2007, 07:43 PM
sorry for anyone that read I mixed up Louisville with WV...

so both teams ended with 2 losses, albeit USC's first was to a pretty mediocre-bad Oregon State team, but 2 losses none the less...USC then went on to finish ahead of WV after beating a much better Michigan team compared to Georgia Tech...so it looks as if they are on pretty equal ground coming into the season, yet the fact that even with 1 loss going into the last game of the season USC was still in NC picture whereas WV with 1 loss was out of the BCS for the most part...so yes while they basically choked away the NC with a last week loss, USC will learn from previous mistakes, thats how sports have worked for years upon years...I mean look at UNC basketball, the years leading up to their 2005 NC they had really bad-decent seasons, yet that one year returned all their players and had an amazing team and won the NC

PalmerToCJ
03-27-2007, 10:08 PM
http://sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10089235

Kentucky #25... Never thought I'd see the day...

LonghornsLegend
03-28-2007, 12:53 AM
As for Texas, I don't think they have the defense to win the Big XII. The defense was pretty lackluster last year with Michael Griffin and Aaron Ross, and now they're gone.

ok, and we lost derrick johnson before that, and michael huff, and cedric griffin and nathan vasher, so whats the point? when your talking about schools like texas, usc, lsu, tosu, michigan etc, i dont calculate too much into losing stars on the team, outside of qb's and special players who come around every 5 years or so(cedric benson, roy williams)


we reload very fine every year on defense, but if anything mccoy will give us the best chance to win the big 12 this year, he has sweed and charles around him, and experience in the offense finally, all returning back, with OU having a new qb and rb....


so if we dont end up winning who will?


either way that wasnt my gripe, i just feel like we should be ranked higher then LSU in pre season polls because of the change at qb, they will replace bowe and landry ok, but starting qb is different

TH3
03-28-2007, 01:44 AM
USC's RB sistuation is not fair

constant cough
03-28-2007, 08:28 AM
ok UF is losing a few guys. still i think we beat out LSU. if for no other reason tebow is going to be great.

See Tebow is the reason I think that UF dosen't edge out LSU, that and the fact that the game is in Baton Rouge.

Whistler6
03-28-2007, 12:19 PM
I love the Badgers..but I dont think they will hold up to that #7 ranking. 15-20 sounds more realistic

TigerBait45
03-28-2007, 02:40 PM
ok, and we lost derrick johnson before that, and michael huff, and cedric griffin and nathan vasher, so whats the point? when your talking about schools like texas, usc, lsu, tosu, michigan etc, i dont calculate too much into losing stars on the team, outside of qb's and special players who come around every 5 years or so(cedric benson, roy williams)


we reload very fine every year on defense, but if anything mccoy will give us the best chance to win the big 12 this year, he has sweed and charles around him, and experience in the offense finally, all returning back, with OU having a new qb and rb....


so if we dont end up winning who will?


either way that wasnt my gripe, i just feel like we should be ranked higher then LSU in pre season polls because of the change at qb, they will replace bowe and landry ok, but starting qb is different

Eh, I can agree, but last year UT's secondary was pretty mediocre down the stretch, and the two best players int he secondary are now gone. I can't see it getting better. If I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it.

Personally, I wouldn't be shocked if Nebraska won the Big 12. They have a really good defense, and they've finally built an offense that can run the West Coast like it should be.

I'll also concede your point about breaking in a new QB, but I think the state of LSU's defense makes up for the fact that the offense will struggle initially.

Regardless, preseason rankings don't really matter. It'll come out in the wash.

DragonFireKai
03-29-2007, 08:36 PM
No one here has listed Oregon State as even being in the top 25, despite returning Yvenson Bernard, Sammie Stroughter, Alexis Serna, Clinton Polk, most of the offensive and defensive lines, the entire linebacker corps, 3/4s of the secondary. We had a 10 win season last year.

Purple N Proud
03-31-2007, 11:15 AM
Haha o man I love the Buckeyes but it'll be hard to match last years win total. I think it's possible though, and I love the early schedule to give our young offense some time to gel. If we can get through there without any stupid losses, we could definitely be a NC contender.

Realistically with all the losses though I can't say we're in the top 8 to start the season. Too many questions left to be answered. I know we have Beanie, but losing Datish, Schafer, and Downing hurts. But hey the spring games just around the corner.

Brent
03-31-2007, 12:04 PM
no Texas A&M? are you serious?

504 to ATL
04-05-2007, 03:06 AM
Will any of it even matter, since USC and Michigan have cupcake schedules in comparison to SEC schools?

Normally a tOSU vs. Michigan matchup could be considered a toss up but not so this year. When all is said and done they will both be undefeated, partly their schedules and the fact that they dont play conference championships.

so my PRE-SEASON rankings take into account last year and the schedules of this year, and only account for the teams in the running for the national championship. So that said

1. USC
2. Michigan
3. LSU (home game over UF)
4. UF
5. Texas

weezer1195
04-07-2007, 11:18 PM
I hate pre-season rankings but ill add my two cents.

USC is #1 hands down. I could go on and on why but it is pretty obvious.

LSU I think will be nasty. Flynn is a veteran and they are loaded with talent.

Michigan will rule the conference with an explosive offense and a good enough defense.

Florida will be top ten but I cant see them making it through their schedule intact like last year.

Louisville rules the Big East. WVA's defense needs to step it up and pat white needs to develop as a passer. Big East will be tougher because I expect Rutgers to be better and South Florida to make some noise. USF returns alot of players and Grothe is a baller.

Miami and FSU fans need to be quiet. When your teams suck you should acknowledge this and eat your crow. How is Miami "loaded"? On paper maybe but lets see you offense show me something on the field. VT is the clear favorite in my book in the ACC. Lights out defense, workhorse running back, and just enough QB production. As for FSU...all I have to say is 30-0. That was the score against Wake Forest. So unless you are a shameless homer stop putting FSU ahead of WF in your rankings. It isnt because of players returning because Im familiar with Wake football and they return just as much or more.

Vikes99ej
04-07-2007, 11:26 PM
Virginia Tech and Miami both need to be in the top 15.

GB12
04-07-2007, 11:27 PM
I love the Badgers..but I dont think they will hold up to that #7 ranking. 15-20 sounds more realistic

15-20!? Anything outside of top 10 would be an insult. We ended in the top 5 last year and didn't lose much. 6-12 should be the area that we fall. Mid teens to 20 is rediculous.

jagsfreak27
04-08-2007, 01:09 PM
Tell Me what you think this is (IMO)

1. USC
2. Michigan
3. West Virgina
4. LSU
5. Florida
6. Ohio St.
7. Wisconsin
8. Texas
9. Auburn
10. Louisville
11. California
12. Bosie St.
13. Arkansas
14. Wake Forest
15. Notre Dame
16. Oklahoma
17. Virgina Tech
18. Tennessee
19. Boston College
20. Rutgers
21. Hawaii
22. Penn St.
23. Florida St.
24. South Carolina
25. UCLA Thats not a bad list but I dont think FSU should be that high.

BigJohn98
04-10-2007, 10:35 PM
Thats not a bad list but I dont think FSU should be that high.

FSU is right where they belong. Low 20s.


Anyone who thinks Miami should be ranked is an idiot. There offense is pathetic. They don't have a quarterback. Recievers are average at best. Running back is decent. Defense is all they have. They will easily be a 4-5 loss team again.

songofthesword
04-29-2007, 07:17 PM
I dont get how arkansas won the SEC west last year, has everyone on offense returning, 3 or 4 people on the Defense that will be in the NFL in 1 or 2 years and is behind Auburn in every poll I've seen, dispite auburn lost their key running back and wideout, and 2 of their key offensive linemen.. and we WAXED them, AT AUBURN, when they had them last year, and we get them at home this year.

The only key road game arkansas plays all year is LSU. Every other tough team we get is at home (unless you consider alabama really tough). We don't play USC this year. And some people have arkansas ranked outside the top 20?

Arkansas is a top 10 team next year. Arkansas has 3, with the distinct possibility of 4 players that will be first day picks next year (McFadden, Jones, Monk and Hillis, with hillis being the only question because of his position)

And that's on Offense

On Defense, marus Harrison is a first round pick, at the absolute worst a 2nd rounder but I would be shocked if he is not a top 20 pick next year. Fred Bledsoe, if he ever gets his act together, is an NFL Defensive Lineman. Antwain Robinson is a late 2nd day pick.

what I am saying is, that's just plain wrong. Arkansas was a QB last year from being in the NC game.

I would rate LSU ahead of arkansas, because they have more talent, and that's one game I do not look forward to... but I think arkansas can pull it out, depending on the QB and WR development.

Arkansas v. Georgia in the SEC championchip game

snuff
04-29-2007, 07:55 PM
I hope Michigan is as good as you non Michigan fans claim, because I sure don't see it.

DLS42
05-08-2007, 06:00 PM
My personal top 10
1- SC. I hate to do this since i am a monster cal fan but they are stacked. I dont think they will finish this way though, They have possible pitfalls at Oregon, Cal, UCLA and maybe even OSU.
2- LSU. Love the D. Glenn Dorsey will have a redicilous year and i think Perilloux will florish as well.
3-Michigan. Almost all of the offense is returning but losing all those defensive studs through the draft really hurts.
4- WVU. Slaton and White. But the defense will be the downfall for this team.
5- Wiscon. I personally love this team and PJ Hill in particular, i think the road to the Big 10 title is only blocked by the michigan game. Plus their punter is a stud.
6- Florida- After killing OSU in the title people tend to overrated them, Tebow will have a lot more trouble than expected.
7- VT. Its a shame that this defense goes largly unnoticed, Adibi and Hall will have another Top 5 Defense finish yet again.
8- Louisville- Another prolific offense that has big defensive questions. Brohm will lead the Heisman charge but can they finally get over the hump to a BCS bowl?
9- Arkansas. The best runningbacks in the country must try to help out a defense that lost a great DE and CB.
10- California. My team. I dont like the picks of putting us in the top 6. The secondary is shot and unless we can generate a pass rush, we going to have trouble with SC and Oregon. Note to hippies: Is losing a bunch of trees worse than losing the brightest young coach in the country. Plus Memorial stadium is a shanty.

Sniper
05-08-2007, 09:36 PM
15-20!? Anything outside of top 10 would be an insult. We ended in the top 5 last year and didn't lose much. 6-12 should be the area that we fall. Mid teens to 20 is rediculous.

Besides your starting QB and your absolute animal of a left tackle that went #3 in the draft? Ok then. But you are right, they're better than mid teens to 20, I'd put them at 9-12. P.J Hill is a beast

Gchu83
05-09-2007, 12:25 AM
no Texas A&M? are you serious?

Are you? :rolleyes:

Hunter S. Thompson
05-09-2007, 08:26 AM
I don't think Michigan is top ten worthy, and Notre Dame is barely top 25 worthy. I would have no problem leaving them out of the poll altogether to start the season.

I also think Tennessee may be a tad bit low. They'd be closer to #10 in my poll.

jbooshey
05-10-2007, 11:51 AM
I love the Badgers..but I dont think they will hold up to that #7 ranking. 15-20 sounds more realistic


That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read...UW is a top 10 preseason team and nothing less...this could be the best Badger team to ever step on the field...the Defense is going to be ridiculous and we have two capable replacements for QB and 4/5 of the o-line returning to heal the loss of Joe T....15-20????!!! That is a spit in the face!

Sportsfan486
05-10-2007, 12:02 PM
That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read...UW is a top 10 preseason team and nothing less...this could be the best Badger team to ever step on the field...the Defense is going to be ridiculous and we have two capable replacements for QB and 4/5 of the o-line returning to heal the loss of Joe T....15-20????!!! That is a spit in the face!

/agree

We very well may have the best D in the nation next year; last year it was certainly the most underrated.

Combine that with P.J. Hill and a nasty receiving tandem and we're going to be lights out.

Sniper
05-10-2007, 03:43 PM
I don't think Michigan is top ten worthy, and Notre Dame is barely top 25 worthy. I would have no problem leaving them out of the poll altogether to start the season.

I also think Tennessee may be a tad bit low. They'd be closer to #10 in my poll.

Oooooooooooooooooooooook buddy...Michigan's offense is dirty and they have some playmakers on defense. I mean, we have Morgan Trent! Best Michigan corner ever! Better than Woodson! No but seriously watch Taylor and Crable be the anchors of a better than expected defense

SouthernPride396
05-10-2007, 04:48 PM
I dont get how arkansas won the SEC west last year, has everyone on offense returning, 3 or 4 people on the Defense that will be in the NFL in 1 or 2 years and is behind Auburn in every poll I've seen, dispite auburn lost their key running back and wideout, and 2 of their key offensive linemen.. and we WAXED them, AT AUBURN, when they had them last year, and we get them at home this year.

The only key road game arkansas plays all year is LSU. Every other tough team we get is at home (unless you consider alabama really tough). We don't play USC this year. And some people have arkansas ranked outside the top 20?

Arkansas is a top 10 team next year. Arkansas has 3, with the distinct possibility of 4 players that will be first day picks next year (McFadden, Jones, Monk and Hillis, with hillis being the only question because of his position)

And that's on Offense

On Defense, marus Harrison is a first round pick, at the absolute worst a 2nd rounder but I would be shocked if he is not a top 20 pick next year. Fred Bledsoe, if he ever gets his act together, is an NFL Defensive Lineman. Antwain Robinson is a late 2nd day pick.

what I am saying is, that's just plain wrong. Arkansas was a QB last year from being in the NC game.

I would rate LSU ahead of arkansas, because they have more talent, and that's one game I do not look forward to... but I think arkansas can pull it out, depending on the QB and WR development.

Arkansas v. Georgia in the SEC championchip game


Your QB (or lack thereof), your coach (or lack of one worht a ****), and your OC (who is who?). Sure your run game is great, and you have a good-looking wideout, but a non-existent passing game coupled with a partially rebuilt secondary is usually a recipe for struggling.

Forzy
05-10-2007, 08:46 PM
Tell Me what you think this is (IMO)

1. USC
2. Michigan
3. West Virgina
4. LSU
5. Florida
6. Ohio St.
7. Wisconsin
8. Texas
9. Auburn
10. Louisville
11. California
12. Bosie St.
13. Arkansas
14. Wake Forest
15. Notre Dame
16. Oklahoma
17. Virgina Tech
18. Tennessee
19. Boston College
20. Rutgers
21. Hawaii
22. Penn St.
23. Florida St.
24. South Carolina
25. UCLA

Am a Hawaii fan and despite Colt returning, I see them as on the bubble...for now. They lost quite a bit of experience in Alama-Francis, Purcell, Ilaoa, Peters, Satale etc. But definately will surprise some people and I see them rising. The offence should continue to explode with Colt there and some good receivers returning.

songofthesword
05-11-2007, 07:55 PM
Your QB (or lack thereof), your coach (or lack of one worht a ****), and your OC (who is who?). Sure your run game is great, and you have a good-looking wideout, but a non-existent passing game coupled with a partially rebuilt secondary is usually a recipe for struggling.


uhh.. get your facts straight..

okay.. I'll give you the coach.. no defense there. I hate him.

but Casey Dick is our QB, who was our Starting QB the last 2 years. He isn't the problem.. see above

who said anything about a rebuilt secondary? we lost a 2nd round Corner (who should have been first) buteveryone who wil be playing next year played 40-50 of the snaps this year in the secondary. Michael Grant will be a NFL corner, and is the fastest person on the team (you read that right)... just injury ridden and came on a little slow in his career.


what scares me more than anything was the lack of recruiting this year. This years team is going to be better than last years, I can promise you that. As a matter of fact, no one in arkasnas expected last year to happen, everything has always pointed for this year. it's why we started Casey dick as a true freshmen.

Our OC is David Lee, who was the Qurterbacks coach of the coywboys last year.

I went to the spring game, you will see a different offense than in the past.... rather it will work or not is yet to be seen but it looks more like a real offense than anything I have seen up there yet.


with all that said... we still layed the smack to auburn and have most of our important starters returning, plus an All SEC LB that was out the entire year last year

songofthesword
05-11-2007, 07:57 PM
BTW, do not be suprised to see Casey Dick's little brother take his job from him byt hte middle of the year...LOADS better. will be a true freshmen, and threw all of 1 INT his senior year.

simms2clayton
05-12-2007, 04:19 AM
http://sportsline.com/collegefootball/story/10089235

Kentucky #25... Never thought I'd see the day...

UK will be ranked higher than that once they beat Louisville on September 15.

If they get on a roll I also think they have a big chance of knocking off Arkansas as well.

Jimmy
05-12-2007, 08:00 AM
guys.. what makes USF special this year?

Michigan
05-12-2007, 08:58 AM
guys.. what makes USF special this year?

they were the only team that could tackle in the big east last year.