The First Sign of the Apocalypse? [Archive]

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 09:58 AM

Sadly to say he kind of deserves it. This team is playing better. But they will never compete for a championship under him so in a way it is dissapointing he got extended. Now they just have to take away his power to sign FAs and make trades.

MaxV

03-12-2007, 10:12 AM

Is it possible that Eddie Curry's recent statement forced this deal???

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 10:13 AM

Is it possible that Eddie Curry's recent statement forced this deal???

Eddie Curry should keep his mouth shut until he learns how to play defense and rebound.

frogstomp

03-12-2007, 10:13 AM

Now they just have to take away his power to sign FAs and make trades.

Exactly. He is a decent coach... he's just the worst GM ever (aside from drafting).

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 10:23 AM

Exactly. He is a decent coach... he's just the worst GM ever (aside from drafting).

Although I still wanna kill him for not taking Marcus Williams. People say we already have too many guards on this team. I didn't care, we have no point guards.

frogstomp

03-12-2007, 10:34 AM

Although I still wanna kill him for not taking Marcus Williams. People say we already have too many guards on this team. I didn't care, we have no point guards.

But then you couldn't play Stevie Franchise and Starbury all day long, allowing them to carry you to a championship with their great team play.

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 10:35 AM

But then you couldn't play Stevie Franchise and Starbury all day long, allowing them to carry you to a championship with their great team play.

Good one. Stevie Franchise should rot on the bench until a team wants to trade for his expiring contract, or until it actually expires.

frogstomp

03-12-2007, 10:37 AM

Good one. Stevie Franchise should rot on the bench until a team wants to trade for his expiring contract, or until it actually expires.

Well, that time expiring three was nice. However, sportscenter did fail to comment on all the games he has lost for you...

But yeah. The Knicks have so much potential... they just need to kick a few people to the curb and get a decent point guard.

bigmac076

03-12-2007, 10:38 AM

damn, I thought this was actually going to be a good thread. I love talking about how the world may end, the four horsemen of the Apocalypse, the battle of Armegeddon, pretty much the whole book of Revelation.

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 10:39 AM

Well, that time expiring three was nice. However, sportscenter did fail to comment on all the games he has lost for you...

But yeah. The Knicks have so much potential... they just need to kick a few people to the curb and get a decent point guard.

I think it is much more than that. The problem with Isiah is, Yes he got this team to a better record, which I guess deserves for him to get an extension. But until this team plays anything considered defense (minus David Lee the best player on the team BTW), they will never realistically challenge for even an Eastern Conference championship. The East is terrible and will only get better, the Knicks still have a long way to go.

MaxV

03-12-2007, 10:41 AM

The problem with getting a PG, is that Starbury thinks that he is one, and may become pissed off if the team gets another one.

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 10:42 AM

The problem with getting a PG, is that Starbury thinks that he is one, and may become pissed off if the team gets another one.

So put him at 2 and give him more opportunity to score and take shots. He should love that.

frogstomp

03-12-2007, 10:43 AM

I think it is much more than that. The problem with Isiah is, Yes he got this team to a better record, which I guess deserves for him to get an extension. But until this team plays anything considered defense (minus David Lee the best player on the team BTW), they will never realistically challenge for even an Eastern Conference championship. The East is terrible and will only get better, the Knicks still have a long way to go.

Well, by potential I meant... possibly great players. Channing Frye will be a complete beast in a couple years, Marbury can be a great player if you don't have him playing with Franchise... then you have Nate and Q, who could both be very very solid 6th men. Curry is a good player, just annoying. I dunno, I'm not saying a PG will fix everything, but you'd be solid, and in a good position for the next couple years if you had a good young one.

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 10:45 AM

frogstomp

03-12-2007, 10:47 AM

I guess the problem is I think Frye is overrated. Another guy who doesn't play a lick of defense and has ZERO inside game. All he can do is hit that 15-18 foot jumpshot. And he is extremely streaky when it comes to that.

That's why I say "in a couple years." He needs time to learn some things that he never learned/never needed to learn in the college game. As of now I agree with him being overrated, but give him a good coach to work on his post game and defense...

MaxV

03-12-2007, 10:55 AM

That's why I say "in a couple years." He needs time to learn some things that he never learned/never needed to learn in the college game. As of now I agree with him being overrated, but give him a good coach to work on his post game and defense...

I don't know if he'll ever develop into a dominant player. He would need to bulk up, he gets outmusculed in the post quiet frequently.

If Lee would improve his mid-range jumper, he could be VERY good.

frogstomp

03-12-2007, 11:04 AM

I don't know if he'll ever develop into a dominant player. He would need to bulk up, he gets outmusculed in the post quiet frequently.

If Lee would improve his mid-range jumper, he could be VERY good.

He doesn't need to be a dominant post player to be a dominant player (offensively). If he develops even a mediocre inside game, and then makes his outside shooting more consistent, he could be dominant(offensively). Defensively you're right, he'll always be a bit of a liability down low unless he bulks up...

BigDawg819

03-12-2007, 12:25 PM

Did I hear a 4 Horsemen comment? :D

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!

bigmac076

03-12-2007, 12:42 PM

And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Revelation 1 & 2

VoteLynnSwan

03-12-2007, 12:49 PM

**** the knicks for not being overly terrible this year... I WANT A DAMN LOTTERY PICK!

BigDawg819

03-12-2007, 01:00 PM

Revelation 1 & 2

Yeah well if Flair and Double A were there it would have been different! Double A would have hit him with the Double A patented Spinebuster and Flair would have slapped on the Figure Four and his reign would have come to end and then Flair really would have been Champion of the WORLD!!! ;)

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! :D

Damix

03-12-2007, 02:01 PM

Thomas has finally "got it," whether it was Dolan finally putting his foot down, or him coming to an epiphany, he understands this team is rebuilding. A core of Curry, Lee, Frye is a good start, next we need to start working on the back court, which I expect this years draft picks to be.

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:01 PM

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:02 PM

**** the knicks for not being overly terrible this year... I WANT A DAMN LOTTERY PICK!

Whats good chi-town fans i rember you guys were talking **** that we might have a top 3 pick if the knicks can keep it up we wont even have a lotter pick, and it hopefully wont be a huge switch in the picks from chi to ny
SCREW LARRY BROWN

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:07 PM

Although I still wanna kill him for not taking Marcus Williams. People say we already have too many guards on this team. I didn't care, we have no point guards.

yea we need a pass first pg badly, but now i really dont care much about passing on marcus williams, because i m a huge reanldo balkman fan, i like players like renaldo. and i dont think marcus williams fits our sceme cus he's so fat

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 02:10 PM

Whats good chi-town fans i rember you guys were talking **** that we might have a top 3 pick if the knicks can keep it up we wont even have a lotter pick, and it hopefully wont be a huge switch in the picks from chi to ny
SCREW LARRY BROWN

I think some of the Larry Brown hatred in NY is funny. Larry Brown in one year couldn't do what Isiah is doing this year. This is true. However if Larry would have stayed for long run, there is no doubt in my mind he could have shaped this team to at least compete for a championship. Isiah has the team playing better now but eventually what he get them to do is going to peak at a lot less than what Larry could do. Knicks are winning more games, but fans seem to look past the fact that they play ZERO defense. Possibly the worst in the NBA. Until Isiah does something about that, and he doesn't seem to be, the Knicks will never be back in the Championship game like they were in the early 90's.

TPFKA#1SaintsFan

03-12-2007, 02:11 PM

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSS
i knew you could do it issaih all the way. when espn kept talking **** about you when all the knick hators kept talking junk when the media was against the knicks i knew you could pull it off isaih when yo u took renaldo balkman, and david lee issaih i just said issaih knows what hes doing, and definatly you know what your doing. you deserve it issaih.

Quit acting like the Knicks just won the NBA Championship. They're 29-34. If the playoffs would start today, they would be the 8th and final seed in an insanely weak Eastern Conference. Translation: the Knicks still suck.

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 02:12 PM

yea we need a pass first pg badly, but now i really dont care much about passing on marcus williams, because i m a huge reanldo balkman fan, i like players like renaldo. and i dont think marcus williams fits our sceme cus he's so fat

I like Balkman too, mainly because he plays defense. But he is an energy player. He is nothing more than a 7th or 8th guy off the bench. Teams need players like that, but Williams could develop into a potential very good starting PG. The Knicks got extremely lucky Williams dropped that far and still screwed it up.

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:14 PM

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:16 PM

Quit acting like the Knicks just won the NBA Championship. They're 29-34. If the playoffs would start today, they would be the 8th and final seed in an insanely weak Eastern Conference. Translation: the Knicks still suck.

well you dont know the adversity the knicks had to go through after all the mockery and all the stuff the media has done to the ny knick franchize. we have to have our glory, and the knicks are playing way better than the record if you ever actually saw the knicks play this season they re playing really good, when they loose its a close game, but we gotta play the whole game, not just waking up in the third and fourth quarters

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:18 PM

I like Balkman too, mainly because he plays defense. But he is an energy player. He is nothing more than a 7th or 8th guy off the bench. Teams need players like that, but Williams could develop into a potential very good starting PG. The Knicks got extremely lucky Williams dropped that far and still screwed it up.

him and david lee are energy players but when balkman comes out to play its really fun to watch, and i was really pissed the knicks passed up on him, it was funny like two hours before the draft, i was actually thinlking about the knicks trading up for marcus williams, and he came to us with out trading, but we took some random guy who schould of been picked in the second round. but i have a good feeling about renaldo

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 02:18 PM

man i dunno about larry shaping this team he isnt really a good coach he tried to make the knicks into a detroit piston team if you didnt relize the knicks have a fast, athletic team. he tried to play the half court game. and last season he thought he was a scientist he kept experimenting line ups. your in ny larry we want to win. and larry brown is a pig, he took all the money for doing ****. I think we have a bright future, but channing frye isnt doing much to help, he can shoot really good, but he has to get more aggresive.

What kind of teams win in the playoffs? I just wouldn't get overexcited about the Knicks winning more games. The East is terrible and they are still very far from seriously competing. And I'm not sure they ever will with the core players they have on this team.

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 02:19 PM

him and david lee are energy players but when balkman comes out to play its really fun to watch, and i was really pissed the knicks passed up on him, it was funny like two hours before the draft, i was actually thinlking about the knicks trading up for marcus williams, and he came to us with out trading, but we took some random guy who schould of been picked in the second round. but i have a good feeling about renaldo

Difference is that David Lee can score too. And is a legitimate starter in this league.

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:20 PM

What kind of teams win in the playoffs? I just wouldn't get overexcited about the Knicks winning more games. The East is terrible and they are still very far from seriously competing. And I'm not sure they ever will with the core players they have on this team.

but we can keep up with the best teams in the east, if you havent relized the knicks are .500 against the top 3 teams in the playoffs for the east and thats detroit cleaveland and washington. i just hope we can keep it up to make the playoffs cus there still a lot of games to be played

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:22 PM

Difference is that David Lee can score too. And is a legitimate starter in this league.

well renaldo is a good player that fits how the knicks wanted to play some one who could run in the fast break, thats how the knicks wanted to play they wanted to run the courts and play barly any defense, thats the style in how the knicks are supposed to play not playing half court game like larry brown intened to.

Jughead10

03-12-2007, 02:24 PM

well renaldo is a good player that fits how the knicks wanted to play some one who could run in the fast break, thats how the knicks wanted to play they wanted to run the courts and play barly any defense, thats the style in how the knicks are supposed to play not playing half court game like larry brown intened to.

The Knicks wanted to play barely any defense? They'll never win like that. Hell the Suns have a hard time winning in the playoffs like that and they are a ton more talented on offense. It exciting to watch though. That combined with the fact the Knicks have had a bunch of back page grabbing last second wins has this city confused on what a good basketball team looks like.

josh07039

03-12-2007, 02:25 PM

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:26 PM

The Knicks wanted to play barely any defense? They'll never win like that. Hell the Suns have a hard time winning in the playoffs like that and they are a ton more talented on offense.

well thats how the knicks are playing now and if they can keep it up they can be a olid team. but curry needs to play some better defense and get rebounds, lee does currys dirty work, cus curry loves to score.but i wish jcraw didnt get hurt cus him and curry have really good chemistry.

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:32 PM

The guy on their roster i like the most are Lee and Balkman mainly cause the play D. Frye pisses me off, he is like a better Marcus Blount, no D or rebounding, but a good scorer. Nate Robinson is a moron too 2 guard in a small pg body.

yea nate is a 5 7 shooting guard he s a bit to wild, he doesent make the right decisons, and he loves to shoot, channing shoot s to much he has to learn how to take it in. but frye some times gets some good rebounds.

jets future

03-12-2007, 02:43 PM

and if we hopefully make the playoffs we hope fully can pull a 99

TPFKA#1SaintsFan

03-12-2007, 02:49 PM

well you dont know the adversity the knicks had to go through after all the mockery and all the stuff the media has done to the ny knick franchize. we have to have our glory, and the knicks are playing way better than the record if you ever actually saw the knicks play this season they re playing really good, when they loose its a close game, but we gotta play the whole game, not just waking up in the third and fourth quarters

The bottom line is that they are 29-34, barely in the playoffs today in a very weak Eastern Conference, and you're talking about them like they are a serious contender.