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Nard_Dog
12-29-2009, 07:56 PM
I thought it would be a good idea to discuss the Broncos and what they should look for in the draft.

Diehard
12-30-2009, 02:27 AM
OL - C and G both need significant upgrades. Someone who could play G and RT would be quite useful to cover off for Ryan Harris if injuries continue to be a problem.

Defense - We've got lots of decent players, but few impact guys. I could definitely see us taking a "BPA - defense" approach with our first round pick.

P - Berger is awful. Take a flyer on a young guy in the late rounds.

QB - Orton is holding the fort, but he's not the future. McD likes QB's who are smart, accurate and make good decisions. I suspect after seeing Orton's lead feet, the coach would also like someone who can actually move around in the pocket.

Receiver - could be an area of need depending on how things play out with Marshall, Stokely and McKinley.

Nard_Dog
12-30-2009, 03:52 PM
Has anyone gotten a chance to watch Sean Canfield, I've heard he's a good fit for our system.

Thoughts?

Diehard
12-31-2009, 01:12 PM
Has anyone gotten a chance to watch Sean Canfield, I've heard he's a good fit for our system.

Thoughts?

I haven't seen much PAC-10 this year, but I used to live in Corvallis and my football junkie friends there are very high on him.

As for fitting our system, he's definitely from the mould that McD's teams have drafted - tall, solid mechanics, decent arm, accurate, makes good reads... yeah, I think he could fit in with us.

zachsaints52
01-08-2010, 01:35 AM
I could see Haden to you guys. Would be a nice addition. How much of the offensive playbook did you take from the Pats? I didn't watch much Broncos game but what I saw was shotgun pretty much it. And I also wondered why Hillis never ran it.

Diehard
01-08-2010, 01:58 PM
I could see Haden to you guys. Would be a nice addition.

Yes, that would probably be fine in terms of fit and value where we are picking in the 1st.

How much of the offensive playbook did you take from the Pats? I didn't watch much Broncos game but what I saw was shotgun pretty much it.

A lot comes from the Pats. Not only the shotgun stuff, but also the kind of things NE ran before they opened up the Perkins system. Lots of 2 TE sets, screens, inside/pulls complemented by a little zone blocking.

And I also wondered why Hillis never ran it.

He got in the doghouse quickly for not knowing his assignments and making some stupid mistakes. I think he can be a solid contributor in this system (which McD also mentioned in his end-of-year presser), but he has to study hard and keep his head in the game.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
01-13-2010, 05:22 PM
I'd like to see us draft Taylor Mays if he's there, and if we do I promise not to hold it against Xanders if he busts. Anyway, I think him working with Dawkins would be very good for him, and after Dawkins is done I don't wanna watch a team with ****** safeties again. If he's gone, I wouldn't mind seeing Haden, I don't realistically think a guy like McClain will be there, unless he bombs the combine. After that though, interior OL is the way to go. We need depth on the DL as well, but we want to be at the stage where we need depth for the OL. We don't even have a surface on the interior.

Orton can hold down QB for at least another season or two. If only we had a dynamic young QB of the future...

Timbathia
01-13-2010, 07:08 PM
I would love for McXanders to get a defensive players like McClain or Haden with the first pick and then get back into the end of the first to take Iupati (maybe through trading Marshall). Dream draft right there.

jCut
01-24-2010, 01:26 PM
I am sick of seeing Bryant to the Broncos. The pick itself is fine, just getting really old.

My dream draft would be (assuming we trade Marshall) :

1 - LB Rolando McClain, Alabama
1 - OG/OT Mike Iupati, Idaho
2 - DT Terrence Cody, Alabama
3 - WR Danario Alexander, Missouri
4 - CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (PA)
6 - DE/DT DeMarcus Granger, Oklahoma
7 - P Zoltan Mesko, Michigan

Timbathia
01-25-2010, 03:10 PM
I am sick of seeing Bryant to the Broncos. The pick itself is fine, just getting really old.

My dream draft would be (assuming we trade Marshall) :

1 - LB Rolando McClain, Alabama
1 - OG/OT Mike Iupati, Idaho
2 - DT Terrence Cody, Alabama
3 - WR Danario Alexander, Missouri
4 - CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Indiana (PA)
6 - DE/DT DeMarcus Granger, Oklahoma
7 - P Zoltan Mesko, Michigan

I am not sold taking Bryant. Just dont think WR is our biggest need right now. We need some playmakers on defense. A lot of the mocks have us taking Bryant because Haden and McClain are gone. I would prefer to trade down if that happens. We could use about 4 players between the middle of the first and end of the second.

I also dont think McDaniels will take Cody. He doesnt seem to have the personal characteristics that McD appears to look for.

Diehard
01-25-2010, 04:56 PM
Any draft that has us picking up a bunch of perimeter/skill guys is a missing the mark - we need core strength on both sides of the ball: NT-DE-ILB on defense, C-OG-QB on offense.

Personally, I want 3 interior OL (including one who has the potential to play RT) in the draft unless we score a starter in FA. Our tackles are young, so it's the right time to put together a unit that will last. Consistency on the OL is underrated - keep the players and system together and success will come.

Timbathia
01-25-2010, 05:40 PM
Any draft that has us picking up a bunch of perimeter/skill guys is a missing the mark - we need core strength on both sides of the ball: NT-DE-ILB on defense, C-OG-QB on offense.

Personally, I want 3 interior OL (including one who has the potential to play RT) in the draft unless we score a starter in FA. Our tackles are young, so it's the right time to put together a unit that will last. Consistency on the OL is underrated - keep the players and system together and success will come.

Exactly. Like it or not, we are stuck with an offensive game plan that relies on power running, every screen play ever invented and the occasional slant. If we cant run the ball, we may as well not even bother turning up. If the running game is firing and the o-line giving the QB time, then it isnt THAT important how good the WR is.

jCut
01-25-2010, 07:27 PM
as far as qb, anyone have any thoughts? i don't really like either of them as prospects personally, but pike and bradford seem to "fit the bill" as far as what i imagine mcdaniels wants.

Most will disagree, but I really like LeFevour as a developmental guy. He would make a solid mid-round pick and is very underrated, in my opinion.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
01-25-2010, 07:44 PM
The fact that none of us want Dez Bryant tells me one thing: We are going to draft Dez Bryant.

I've learned that over the past few years. Think of the person you didn't want us to draft each of the last 5 years. We probably drafted him.

Timbathia
01-25-2010, 09:18 PM
The fact that none of us want Dez Bryant tells me one thing: We are going to draft Dez Bryant.

I've learned that over the past few years. Think of the person you didn't want us to draft each of the last 5 years. We probably drafted him.

I am more worried that we take a DE that will not do anything special in his entire career.

Diehard
01-26-2010, 01:58 PM
no disagreement, though i still think that, if he's on the board, haden is our best pick in the first. if he's not, and mcclain isn't, i'm absolutely of the mind that we need to trade down and get additional choices to fill in the trenches on both sides.

Don't get me wrong, I can definitely see us taking a guy in the secondary. It's just when I'm looking at these mocks and see WR in round 1, followed by undersized CB in round 2 and then an edge rusher in round 3, I really have to wonder if the author is going out of his way to ignore the clear needs along both lines.

jCut
01-26-2010, 08:15 PM
we already have jarvis moss.

And Robert Ayers.

Diehard
02-02-2010, 11:05 AM
I'm cautiously optimistic about the draft. I heard two McD interviews recently that left me with the impression that the focus of the offseason will be on upgraded both lines. In a similar vein, he talked about substantially changing the running game to a more physical, downhill style (though the zone stretch would still be part of the attack). In terms of OL, he seems to focus on aggression and intelligence as the key attributes rather than sheer size.

Also, based on his comments along with BMarsh's at the Pro Bowl, I'm not nearly as confident that Brandon is done in Denver. It will be very interesting to see how that plays out.

Jimmy
02-07-2010, 08:27 AM
This is the first time in a while I've been completely open to the idea of simply taking the best player available. I feel like the large majority of positions will warrant consideration of some sort round 1. I've always been turned on by the speedy edge rusher. Having that said, I'd love to see us take a stab at a quarterback round 2, and I'd love it even more if we developed him for two years or so before playing him.

Jimmy
02-07-2010, 08:29 AM
Also... can someone give me an accurate evaluation of Tony Pike?

I've seen these two reports: Summary: Pike projects strictly as a career backup in the NFL. He simply doesn't possess even an average arm to be a starter.

01/27/10 - Senior Bowl, Tuesday: Cincinnati's Tony Pike is the most gifted thrower of the class, demonstrating the arm strength, accuracy to all levels of the field and mobility rare for a player of his 6-5 frame.

Diehard
02-07-2010, 02:21 PM
Also... can someone give me an accurate evaluation of Tony Pike?


I don't know if it is "accurate", but I'll give you my 2 cents...

Upside: Tall, smart, accurate, good timing

Downside: Too thin, not enough zip on ball, inconsistent on deep throws

Timbathia
02-07-2010, 06:16 PM
You guys think we will draft a QB?

Orton will stay as he showed enough to warrant a further look with a year of the system under his belt. Next season is make or break for him. TB is being groomed as the long term backup (cheap guy that can live and breath the system, but most likely never good enough to be the guy). I assume we bring in a veteran to be the number 2 for this year until TB is ready. I just dont see the value in drafting a QB instead of bringing in a vet. I am not sure having Orton, a rookie from this draft class, and then TB is the right QB mix. I think that we bring in a vet in FA and wait until next year to draft a QB (either first round if Orton sucks, or later in the draft to compete with TB for the backup spot if Orton excels).

Timbathia
02-08-2010, 04:40 PM
i don't really think anything one way or the other. but i think a guy like bradford fits the system pretty much perfectly, while giving a lot more (whatever you think of his arm strength, for instance, it's still light years ahead of orton's) than orton can. that said, it's also clear there are MUCH bigger needs, so i'm really only interested in a QB if the right guy falls to the right place or if all of the other guys don't fall to us.

i'm sure mcd thinks brandstater is the next tom brady, but i don't see where he's anything more than a career 3rd string qb.

You can be so harsh at times :) IMO TB projects to be a a very competent 2nd string QB.

Diehard
02-08-2010, 04:52 PM
It's a good day for QB talk:

Discussions with the Eagles?

http://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/Story.asp?story_id=20225


To follow up on ESPN's Adam Schefter's report that "multiple teams have called Eagles to inquire about their three QBs," Schefter's colleague Sal Paolantonio discloses the identity of three teams who have had discussions with the Eagles specifically regarding Donovan McNabb - Cleveland, Denver and Buffalo.


Bowlen has his own ideas?

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_14350572#ixzz0epBvwrR


Orton is a good quarterback. I'd also like to think we might have the opportunity to draft a young quarterback, not necessarily to come in and play right away, but if you have the opportunity to draft somebody, that would be a plus for us.

Diehard
02-08-2010, 05:09 PM
also, mcnabb? seriously? i wonder what mcidiot is thinking, maybe marshall and our 1 and 2 for mcnabb? actually, that wouldn't make sense after the eagles drafted maclin. he's probably more likely to send doom/1/2 for mcnabb, then just cut marshall.

LOL - aren't you in a fine mood...

The article says we inquired about McNabb, but it also talks about interest in all 3 Eagles quarterbacks. I wonder if Kolb might be the guy we are more interested in. He's the right age to go with the rest of our offense, he comes from a spread offense (Houston) and he played pretty well last year in his limited opportunities. 2010 is also the last year of his contract.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
02-08-2010, 07:55 PM
i just met john elway on the elevator in my building. i think we should bring him back. if not to play, maybe he can teach orton how to throw the ball.


Bring him back to play. He won two straight SBs to finish his career and it's a FACT that things come in threes...

junior2430
02-10-2010, 02:00 AM
My order of needs:

NT, C/G, 34 DE, WR, ILB, OLB, S, CB, QB

the decider13
02-10-2010, 07:18 PM
My order of needs:

NT, C/G, 34 DE, WR, ILB, OLB, S, CB, QB

CB is way way too low. When you have to bring Ty Law back from the dead, you need some more CB depth. I know they drafted Smith last year, but he looked terrible.

My opinion for draft needs:

C/G, CB, DL, ILB, WR, QB

They drafted two young guys last year to play safety, so I have a hard time putting that on the list for right now. And although I have QB kind of far down, I wouldn't have too big of an issue with the Broncos taking Bradford if he were to fall in to their lap.

Timbathia
02-10-2010, 09:31 PM
CB is way way too low. When you have to bring Ty Law back from the dead, you need some more CB depth. I know they drafted Smith last year, but he looked terrible.

My opinion for draft needs:

C/G, CB, DL, ILB, WR, QB

They drafted two young guys last year to play safety, so I have a hard time putting that on the list for right now. And although I have QB kind of far down, I wouldn't have too big of an issue with the Broncos taking Bradford if he were to fall in to their lap.

This. C/G is the biggest need, however, that doesnt mean we should address it with our first pick. CB and DL are a tie to me in second place. DL really is almost one position in terms of need. We need someone on that line to be MUCH better than those currently there, and I dont think it matters whether it is the NT or a DE.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
02-10-2010, 10:38 PM
I'm not up to date on prospect rankings, but it seemed to me a while ago that unless someone fell, we weren't gonna get great value for our 1st pick. Who are the options we're looking at, realistically if we don't trade down? Haden?

If Marshall stays, I think the needs we have would then be DB, DL, and interior OL. Everything else is a luxury. Those are the biggest holes. If we move Marshall, WR becomes a GLARING need as well.

Timbathia
02-10-2010, 11:09 PM
I'm not up to date on prospect rankings, but it seemed to me a while ago that unless someone fell, we weren't gonna get great value for our 1st pick. Who are the options we're looking at, realistically if we don't trade down? Haden?

If Marshall stays, I think the needs we have would then be DB, DL, and interior OL. Everything else is a luxury. Those are the biggest holes. If we move Marshall, WR becomes a GLARING need as well.

It is too hard to tell if McClain or Haden will be there when we pick. They are the best players that could be there in round one that meet our glaring needs. Interior o-line or d-line help at that spot would be a big reach. Trading down makes sense if those two are gone, however, McDaniels has shown a propensity for reaching if he really really wants someone, so................

Diehard
02-11-2010, 12:29 PM
Giving Orton more weapons in the passing game isn't going to make a difference, because the real bottleneck/limiter in terms of performance is elsewhere. I don't think we should consider taking a rookie WR in the first round unless we:

a) rebuild the interior OL and/or
b) upgrade the QB spot

Orton needs the OL overhaul to succeed, not so much for the pass protect, but a credible inside running game would do a lot to open up the spread passing game.

I don't think Bryant is a reach at 10/11 - he's a fine player and would be a nice asset to the team *if* the rest of the offensive unit is solidified.

junior2430
02-11-2010, 03:59 PM
Haden won't be there at 10/11. McClain might. I would personally love to see us trade down and grab Cody, Dan Williams, or Iupati in the late 1st.

I would love Maurkice Pouncey if he lasts to us in the 2nd. If not, Daryl Washington, Damian Williams, Corey Wootton, or Kyle Wilson would all be nice value/need picks there.

Diehard
02-12-2010, 11:09 AM
Haden won't be there at 10/11. McClain might. I would personally love to see us trade down and grab Cody, Dan Williams, or Iupati in the late 1st.

McClain to KC in round 1 is a very real possibility. They aren't afraid to make that kind of pick even if the positional value of ILB isn't really high.

If you buy the rumor that JPP is going in the top 10 and believe the trend of picking LT's early will continue, then I think we'll have a nice player or two to choose from when our turn comes.

I would love Maurkice Pouncey if he lasts to us in the 2nd. If not, Daryl Washington, Damian Williams, Corey Wootton, or Kyle Wilson would all be nice value/need picks there.

Round 2 is the place to be. Lots of interesting prospects that won't break the bank in terms of contract dollars.

Diehard
02-12-2010, 12:50 PM
DL busting is certainly not unusual. It's a tough transition to the NFL. Too many of these guys are "men amongst boys" at the college level.

I really would prefer to stay away from the long, lean, athletic guys. That hasn't worked for us. Get someone solid and tough who plays with a bit of nastiness.

Bills2083
02-16-2010, 09:59 PM
To the Broncos fans of SWDC...
I am making my first mock of the year.

Sam Bradford is available at pick #10.
I know that the QB situation is shaky with Orton at the helm, so I'm leaning toward giving you guys Bradford. However, does the QB, which may be less of a need than other positions (I think I've seen njx vie for CB), take precedent over other areas of need?

jCut
02-17-2010, 12:26 AM
If Bradford or Clausen are available, I think we have to take them.

Diehard
02-17-2010, 01:11 PM
I dislike Clausen as well... having been through the who attitude thing with Cutler, it is hard to embrace someone who may be even more of an asshole.

However, the plus to him is that, to some extent, he is familiar with the kind of offense we run here due to the Weis-Patriots connection. Given the emphasis our HC puts on system fit, that could definitely have some weight in the decision-making come draft day.

The other x-factor is Bradford's injury - I don't think we touch him if there are any lingering questions regarding his health.

As it stands, I have little hope either McClain or Haden make it to 10/11. I think Bryant will, along with one of the QBs. The other worthy talent will be OT and OLB / 4-3 DE prospects, which would be difficult to justify taking.

A trade-back certainly sounds good, but it always sounds good in theory but is hard to pull off. There aren't any obvious trade partners - maybe one of the playoff teams (Cincy, Balt) wanting to trade up to grab Dez Bryant?