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Scott Wright
01-03-2010, 11:12 PM
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2010 NFL Draft Order - January 3, 2010
http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Draft-Order.php

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Mr.Regular
01-03-2010, 11:20 PM
First thing that stands out to me is Washington is sitting in perfect position to grab a QB, as well as the very real possibility we could be looking at DT/DT 1/2.

Oh and that pesky 19/20 coin flip. That'll piss me off for my mock drafts.

Scott Wright
01-03-2010, 11:25 PM
Oh and that pesky 19/20 coin flip. That'll piss me off for my mock drafts.

Actually, Three Coin Flips!

* Jacksonville and Denver for 10 & 11

* Tennessee and San Francisco for 16 & 17

* Atlanta and Houston for 19 & 20

Halsey
01-03-2010, 11:25 PM
The Rams should try to get the Lions to swap picks. The Lions would probably love to get Suh and the Rams could move down a spot, pick a QB, and get an additional pick or something.

MattyFos
01-03-2010, 11:28 PM
Scott- What do you think about CB Joe Haden, Florida being taken by the Browns? I think the Browns are going to miss out on Berry.. Is Haden a product of a weak class? Or is he as good as some of the 'experts' make him out to be? I saw a vid of him getting his ankles broken on a double move, then catching up and getting the interception. I've also seen him playing a weak zone, I'd like it if he can play man.. Can you help me out with some analysis.

sup3rdup3r
01-03-2010, 11:30 PM
49ers are in the perfect spot to grab Mike Iupati.

Scott Wright
01-03-2010, 11:30 PM
The Rams should try to get the Lions to swap picks. The Lions would probably love to get Suh and the Rams could move down a spot, pick a QB, and get an additional pick or something.

I think the Lions would be content to sit at #2 and take Gerald McCoy. I love Suh and he's a great player but McCoy is not far behind him, if at all, and they are basically 1A and 1B. Suh is just riding a big wave of positive publicity right now. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some teams who have McCoy rated ahead of Suh when all is said and done.

Scott Wright
01-03-2010, 11:31 PM
Scott- What do you think about CB Joe Haden, Florida being taken by the Browns? I think the Browns are going to miss out on Berry.. Is Haden a product of a weak class? Or is he as good as some of the 'experts' make him out to be? I saw a vid of him getting his ankles broken on a double move, then catching up and getting the interception. I've also seen him playing a weak zone, I'd like it if he can play man.. Can you help me out with some analysis.

Haden is the real deal and a legit Top 10 talent in my opinion.

Not sure about him being a fit for Cleveland though...

MattyFos
01-03-2010, 11:36 PM
Haden is the real deal and a legit Top 10 talent in my opinion.

Not sure about him being a fit for Cleveland though...

I agree the Browns have more glaring needs than CB, but if they could solidify that position, then they wouldn't need an elite safety. With two solid corners, safeties can be free to roam.. They could get a safety later on if only for depth a guy like Kurt Coleman from Ohio State could fill a roster slot. He'd be a late rounder. The Browns still need better WR, LB, Right OLine, and QB play.. Maybe they take Tate or Spikes in the second round, if they are still around there.

Halsey
01-03-2010, 11:39 PM
I think the Lions would be content to sit at #2 and take Gerald McCoy. I love Suh and he's a great player but McCoy is not far behind him, if at all, and they are basically 1A and 1B. Suh is just riding a big wave of positive publicity right now. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some teams who have McCoy rated ahead of Suh when all is said and done.

Interesting. I guess all the pub for Suh leads most of us to think he's a cut above McCoy. I wonder how much NFL scouts take age and experience into consideration when evaluating prospects like Suh. I'm sure it helps Suh that's he's been in college 5 years, has a more mature body and more experience than most players he faces. McCoy might be just as dominant if he played as a 5th year senior.

edit: according to wikipedia McCoy redshirted too. I didn't know he's a redshirt jr.

falloutboy14
01-03-2010, 11:47 PM
49ers are in the perfect spot to grab Mike Iupati.

Iupati @ 17? Seems early.

Also, how are the playoff teams ordered for the draft?

Is it like this?:
21-24 = Wild-card round losers (ordered by record)
25-28 = Divisional round losers (ordered by record)
29 & 30 = Championship round losers
31 & 32 = SB loser & winner

NGSeiler
01-03-2010, 11:53 PM
I think the Lions would be content to sit at #2 and take Gerald McCoy. I love Suh and he's a great player but McCoy is not far behind him, if at all, and they are basically 1A and 1B. Suh is just riding a big wave of positive publicity right now. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some teams who have McCoy rated ahead of Suh when all is said and done.

Agreed, I don't see much urgency for Detroit to trade up and ensure they get Suh when they'll still have a shot at McCoy. Tampa may be the wild card with their extra second round pick, but even with what seems like a highly regarded top prospect in this class, how likely is a trade for the top spot given the contract and compensation required to get there? Chargers GM AJ Smith, who is actually one of the few who have been involved in a move at the top in the last decade, described the task as "impossible" last year in an article on NFL.com.

Chucky
01-03-2010, 11:53 PM
Bucs moving up to 3 is huge for the team. Automatically getting one of Suh(I know not gonna happen)/McCoy/Berry is awesome

vidae
01-04-2010, 12:08 AM
I like my Chiefs at #5. Rolando McClain, welcome to KC.

RaiderNation
01-04-2010, 12:15 AM
Im hoping Anthony Davis falls to Oakland. Would be our LT and has a legit chance of getting picked by us IMO. 6'6 325lbs thats a real good athlete, you know Al likes that.

sup3rdup3r
01-04-2010, 12:26 AM
Im hoping Anthony Davis falls to Oakland. Would be our LT and has a legit chance of getting picked by us IMO. 6'6 325lbs thats a real good athlete, you know Al likes that.

He'll fall to you guys, but then Al Davis will take Jared Veldheer instead, and he'll somehow slide down to 13 where he'll be taken by the niners :)

Dark Knight01
01-04-2010, 12:51 AM
Raiders are in a perfect position to pick MLB all everything LB Rolando McClain. They need a BEAST in the middle who is better than Morrsion and R. Brown at stopping the run, blitzing, covering, tackling and causing havoc in general. The pick needs to be McClain or one of the stud O-Tackles that will be there.

But if the old stubborn delusional man Al Davis is still making the picks (lets hope he is not) then he will end up doing something stupid and reach for someone like Mays, Cody or Pierre Paul.

I should start the BS rumors now that Suh is a pot head or something. Just like there are made up over exaggerated rumors made up every year about one or two players.

Dark Knight01
01-04-2010, 12:54 AM
I like my Chiefs at #5. Rolando McClain, welcome to KC.



Chefs may take McClain #5, but I doubt it...they have major O-Line and Safety problems.

Dark Knight01
01-04-2010, 12:59 AM
I think the Lions would be content to sit at #2 and take Gerald McCoy. I love Suh and he's a great player but McCoy is not far behind him, if at all, and they are basically 1A and 1B. Suh is just riding a big wave of positive publicity right now. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some teams who have McCoy rated ahead of Suh when all is said and done.





I think Suh is clearly better than McCoy.

However, it will depend on the type of defense a team runs on how they rate them. If Tampa goes back to a Cover 2 Tampa defense then McCoy would fit better because he is more of a 3 technique.

Detroit should by all means take Suh or an OT. They need D-Line help badly and Scwhartz knows the value of having a stud DT in the middle since he was the DC in Tennessee coaching Haynesworth.

Dark Knight01
01-04-2010, 01:02 AM
Scott- What do you think about CB Joe Haden, Florida being taken by the Browns? I think the Browns are going to miss out on Berry.. Is Haden a product of a weak class? Or is he as good as some of the 'experts' make him out to be? I saw a vid of him getting his ankles broken on a double move, then catching up and getting the interception. I've also seen him playing a weak zone, I'd like it if he can play man.. Can you help me out with some analysis.







I think Haden is the product of a weak class personally.

I'm not buying any type of hype on him.

killxswitch
01-04-2010, 08:55 AM
Iupati @ 17? Seems early.

Also, how are the playoff teams ordered for the draft?

Is it like this?:
21-24 = Wild-card round losers (ordered by record)
25-28 = Divisional round losers (ordered by record)
29 & 30 = Championship round losers
31 & 32 = SB loser & winner

That is my understanding. Teams like the Saints and Colts aren't helped that much by the new rules, the best they can do if they go one-and-done is 27 and 28. But the new rules are still a good thing.

RealityCheck
01-04-2010, 09:01 AM
The new rules are more fair, no doubt about it.

keylime_5
01-04-2010, 09:26 AM
Haden is the real deal and a legit Top 10 talent in my opinion.

Not sure about him being a fit for Cleveland though...

care to elaborate? we need a safety and quarterback more, but Berry and Bradford/Clausen might very well be gone. Right tackle maybe. I think CB is a bigger need than LB (i know, complete flipflop of where we were last offseason in the CB/LB argument).

Addict
01-04-2010, 11:33 AM
I think the Lions would be content to sit at #2 and take Gerald McCoy. I love Suh and he's a great player but McCoy is not far behind him, if at all, and they are basically 1A and 1B. Suh is just riding a big wave of positive publicity right now. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some teams who have McCoy rated ahead of Suh when all is said and done.

Trading up would cost the Lions picks, and picks is one thing that we desperately need to build anything that resembles a decent team.

GhostDeini
01-04-2010, 11:43 AM
Rams are a horrible drafting team and they got the 1st pick ? LMFAO. They will blow it guaranteed.

Dolphins will have a decision to make at # 12, Dez Bryant or Arrelious Benn. My gut tells me Benn is the safer pick.

Addict
01-04-2010, 11:45 AM
Rams are a horrible drafting team and they got the 1st pick ? LMFAO. They will blow it guaranteed.

Dolphins will have a decision to make at # 12, Dez Bryant or Arrelious Benn. My gut tells me Benn is the safer pick.

Rams draft Tim Tebow and move him to FB?

Also: Benn would give you a WR pair of Benn and Ginn, which does have a nice ring to it.

RealityCheck
01-04-2010, 11:50 AM
Rams are a horrible drafting team and they got the 1st pick ? LMFAO. They will blow it guaranteed.

Dolphins will have a decision to make at # 12, Dez Bryant or Arrelious Benn. My gut tells me Benn is the safer pick.
I'd take a look at Gilyard or Tate.

Imagine, Benn, Ginn and Bess.

Addict
01-04-2010, 11:59 AM
I'd take a look at Gilyard or Tate.

Imagine, Benn, Ginn and Bess.

they could sign one of the many Moss (Sinorice, Randy or Santana) WR's to complet the set.

Komp
01-04-2010, 12:57 PM
Also: Benn would give you a WR pair of Benn and Ginn, which does have a nice ring to it.


Benn and Ginn sounds like an 80's male duet soft-rock group....

keylime_5
01-04-2010, 01:40 PM
actually it sounds like a drink : )

YotoJets007
01-04-2010, 03:06 PM
Iupati @ 17? Seems early.

Also, how are the playoff teams ordered for the draft?

Is it like this?:
21-24 = Wild-card round losers (ordered by record)
25-28 = Divisional round losers (ordered by record)
29 & 30 = Championship round losers
31 & 32 = SB loser & winner


that is correct. If Jets and Ravens were knocked out after first weekend then they wont cycle picks with non playoff teams despite their record is identical.

cdmPSU17
01-04-2010, 03:56 PM
Benn and Ginn sounds like an 80's male duet soft-rock group....

This is all under the assumption that Bill Parcells will take a receiver in round 1. I wouldn't mind getting Mt. Cody at 12 and taking a possession receiver at 43 (Briscoe, LaFell, definitely Benn if he would fall somehow).

Shane P. Hallam
01-04-2010, 04:14 PM
3 coinflips make me want to cry. Can't there be a 2nd tiebreaker somewhere?

draftguru151
01-04-2010, 04:30 PM
actually it sounds like a drink : )

http://www.qatar-tourism.com/CatSubCatImages/bennigan%27srestaurant.jpg

toddmlazarchick
01-04-2010, 06:08 PM
3 coinflips make me want to cry. Can't there be a 2nd tiebreaker somewhere?

The first tie breaker is strength of schedule the second is division record third is conference record and fourth is a coin toss.

Shane P. Hallam
01-04-2010, 06:12 PM
The first tie breaker is strength of schedule the second is division record third is conference record and fourth is a coin toss.

Then a 5th? Might as well have something else, jeez.

YotoJets007
01-04-2010, 06:31 PM
The first tie breaker is strength of schedule the second is division record third is conference record and fourth is a coin toss.

It wont work. division only works for 4 teams per. conference only works for 16 teams per. Sorry.

MattyFos
01-04-2010, 07:19 PM
care to elaborate? we need a safety and quarterback more, but Berry and Bradford/Clausen might very well be gone. Right tackle maybe. I think CB is a bigger need than LB (i know, complete flipflop of where we were last offseason in the CB/LB argument).

I don't know what Scott means by not the right fit for Cleveland either. But, I think getting a solid second Cornerback is more important than getting an elite Safety. I mentioned why on the Browns draft discussion. But, I'll explain why again... Having two corners that can play man and play man well opens up the rest of the D for making plays. It frees up the Safeties allowing them to make plays instead of sitting in zones. It also frees up linebackers from playing soft zones allowing them to pressure the QB. We can get Safety depth later in the draft and pick a good LB in the second round.. We seem to be heading towards a run heavy offense (prior to Holmgren's decision on Mangini). So, as much as I hate the receiving corp we have, they are good enough for our 4 game winning streak, and next year.. MoMass has progressed well, and if we do go with a WCO.. our small shifty receivers (MoMass, Stuckey, Furrey, Cribbs) would fit well in that system.. Again.. we can get right line help with our 11 picks in the draft, but I think the best bet would be to sure up the corner position. We have decent LB's now. Wimbley, Jackson, Roth, Barton, Bowens, Hall and Trusnik. So, LB isn't a glaring need.

ATLDirtyBirds
01-04-2010, 09:04 PM
Why couldn't we have lost to the Bucs? Sadness. Now we will be picking 20th after we lose the coin flip.

D-Unit
01-05-2010, 04:02 PM
What's the 2nd round order?

YotoJets007
01-05-2010, 04:43 PM
What's the 2nd round order?

we wont know until after SB for most selections and during the combine for 3 coin flips.

D-Unit
01-05-2010, 04:47 PM
we wont know until after SB for most selections and during the combine for 3 coin flips.
I know it's just projection at this point, but I'm talking about similarly to how we produced the first round here. With the traded picks and all.

YotoJets007
01-05-2010, 05:04 PM
I know it's just projection at this point, but I'm talking about similarly to how we produced the first round here. With the traded picks and all.

oh... go to wiki or gbnreport site for traded picks. As for draft order, I will try to do 7 rounds without any compensatory picks added tomorrow.

YotoJets007
01-05-2010, 10:37 PM
So far the draft order should look like this without compensatory picks and few conditional picks that I dont know yet.

Keys:

(f )= sent from.
(t )= sent to.
Winner of= team that wins coin flip.
Loser of= team that loses coin flip

First Round


1 Rams
2 Lions
3 Buccaneers
4 Redskins
5 Chiefs
6 Seahawks
7 Browns
8 Raiders
9 Bills
10 Winner of Jaguars/Bears (t Broncos)
11 Loser of Jaguars/Bears (t Broncos)
12 Dolphins
13 49ers
14 Seahawks (f Broncos)
15 Giants
16 Winner of Titans/Panthers (t 49ers)
17 Loser of Titans/Panthers (t 49ers)
18 Steelers
19 Winner of Falcons/Texans
20 Loser of Falcons/Texans
21 Jets
22 Ravens
23 Cardinals
24 Bengals
25 Patriots
26 Packers
27 Eagles
28 Cowboys
29 Vikings
30 Chargers
31 Saints
32 Colts


Second Round


33 Rams
34 Lions
35 Buccaneers
36 Chiefs
37 Redskins
38 Browns
39 Raiders
40 Seahawks
41 Bills
42 Loser of Jaguars (t Patriots)/Bears (t Buccaneers)
43 Dolphins
44 Winner of Jaguars (t Patriots)/Bears (t Buccaneers)
45 Broncos
46 Giants
47 Winner of Titans (t Patriots)/Panthers
48 Loser of Titans (t Patriots)/Panthers
49 49ers
50 Winner of Falcons (t Chiefs)/Texans
51 Loser of Falcons (t Chiefs)/Texans
52 Steelers
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64


Third Round


65 Rams
66 Lions
67 Buccaneers
68 Redskins (Forfeited)
69 Chiefs
70 Raiders
71 Eagles (f Seahawks)
72 Browns
73 Bills
74 Dolphins
75 Winner of Jaguars/Bears
76 Loser of Jaguars/Bears
77 Giants
78 Winner of Titans/Panthers
79 Loser of Titans/Panthers
80 49ers
81 Broncos
82 Loser of Falcons/Texans
83 Steelers
84 Winner of Falcons/Texans
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96



Fourth Round


97 Rams
98 Lions
99 Buccaneers
100 Chiefs
101 Redskins
102 Seahawks
103 Browns
104 Raiders
105 Bills
106 Winner of Jaguars/Bears
107 Loser of Jaguars/Bears
108 Dolphins
109 Winner of Titans/Panthers
110 Loser of Titans/Panthers
111 49ers
112 Broncos
113 Giants
114 Steelers
115 Winner of Falcons/Texans
116 Loser of Falcons/Texans
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128


Fifth Round


129 Rams
130 Lions
131 Browns (f Buccaneers)
132 Redskins
133 Chiefs
134 Browns
135 Raiders
136 Seahawks
137 Bills
138 Loser of Jaguars/Bears
139 Dolphins
140 Winner of Jaguars/Bears
141 Loser of Titans/Panthers (t Chiefs)
142 49ers
143 Lions (f Broncos)
144 Giants
145 Winner of Titans/Panthers (t Chiefs)
146 Winner of Falcons/Texans
147 Loser of Falcons/Texans
148 Steelers
149
150
151
152
153
154
155
156
157
158
159
160



Sixth Round


161 Rams
162 Lions
163 Buccaneers
164 Chiefs
165 Dolplhins (f Redskins)
166 Panthers (f Raiders)
167 Seahawks
168 Browns
169 Bills
170 Dolphins
171 Winner of Jaguars/Bears
172 Loser of Jaguars/Bears
173 49ers
174 Broncos
175 Giants
176 Winner of Titans/Panthers
177 Loser of Titans/Panthers
178 Loser of Falcons/Texans
179 Steelers
180 Winner of Falcons/Texans
181
182
183
184
185
186
187
188
189
190
191
192


Seventh Round


193 Rams
194 Bills (f Lions)
195 Buccaneers
196 Redskins
197 Dolphins (f Chiefs)
198 Seahawks
199 Browns
200 Raiders
201 Bills
202 Winner of Jaguars/Bears
203 Loser of Jaguars/Bears
204 Dolphins
205 Broncos
206 Giants
207 Winner of Titans/Panthers
208 Loser of Titans/Panthers
209 49ers
210 Steelers
211 Winner of Falcons (t Rams)/Texans
212 Loser of Falcons (t Rams)/Texans
213
214
215
216
217
218
219
220
221
222
223
224

cdobry1991
01-06-2010, 06:19 PM
Do they still do the coinflips at the Combine, or are they done later?

RealityCheck
01-06-2010, 06:22 PM
Do they still do the coinflips at the Combine, or are they done later?
I guess they did it somewhere in January in 2007.

MattyFos
01-06-2010, 06:33 PM
When is the combine? March?

YotoJets007
01-06-2010, 07:51 PM
Coin flips will be occurred on the first day of the NFL combine week (Feb 24- Mar 2).

stlouisfan37
01-06-2010, 11:33 PM
I think the Lions would be content to sit at #2 and take Gerald McCoy. I love Suh and he's a great player but McCoy is not far behind him, if at all, and they are basically 1A and 1B. Suh is just riding a big wave of positive publicity right now. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there are some teams who have McCoy rated ahead of Suh when all is said and done.

I have to respectfully disagree. Suh can plug the middle and run like a LB. His speed advantage over McCoy will be significant at the combine. He might as well be Albert Haynesworth and Patrick Willis all rolled into one.

Oh, and for all the dreamers that want the Rams to trade down for a second round pick...forget it. We're taking Suh.

P-L
01-07-2010, 10:17 AM
I have to respectfully disagree. Suh can plug the middle and run like a LB. His speed advantage over McCoy will be significant at the combine. He might as well be Albert Haynesworth and Patrick Willis all rolled into one.

Oh, and for all the dreamers that want the Rams to trade down for a second round pick...forget it. We're taking Suh.
Are the Rams actually going to take Suh or is this going to be like "The Raiders are going to take Calvin Johnson" or "The Falcons are going to take Glenn Dorsey" or even "The Lions are going to take Aaron Curry?"

Flyboy
01-07-2010, 04:01 PM
I think there is a very good strong chance the Rams will take Suh. Spags will be a key factor in the decision process I would think... and being that he knows what a dominant defensive line can do for a defense it will be hard to pass on him. That being said, that's A LOT of money tied in the the DL (Adam Karriker & Chris Long).

stlouisfan37
01-07-2010, 07:32 PM
Are the Rams actually going to take Suh or is this going to be like "The Raiders are going to take Calvin Johnson" or "The Falcons are going to take Glenn Dorsey" or even "The Lions are going to take Aaron Curry?"

I believe the Rams will take Suh. He is an excellent fit and Spagnuolo's strength is building a defense starting with the line. Being a defensive minded coach, he will always think defense first.

If Jake Locker were coming out I would think that would be more tempting, but I don't think anyone is that enamored with Clausen or Bradford at #1. Also, with as many decent QB's in this draft, teams will be thinking about waiting til the second round.

THIZZorDIE
01-08-2010, 01:10 PM
Anybody know If Scott said when he was going to do his next Mock?

Shane P. Hallam
01-08-2010, 01:37 PM
Anybody know If Scott said when he was going to do his next Mock?

After the Underclassmen deadline.

STsACE
01-08-2010, 02:25 PM
After the Underclassmen deadline.

January 15th?

YotoJets007
01-08-2010, 02:51 PM
After the Underclassmen deadline.

I thought he did mention he would try to do mock draft during his stay in Mobile. Last week of January it may be.

Iamcanadian
01-09-2010, 12:14 AM
I believe the Rams will take Suh. He is an excellent fit and Spagnuolo's strength is building a defense starting with the line. Being a defensive minded coach, he will always think defense first.

If Jake Locker were coming out I would think that would be more tempting, but I don't think anyone is that enamored with Clausen or Bradford at #1. Also, with as many decent QB's in this draft, teams will be thinking about waiting til the second round.

That's what they said about Atlanta's HC. He's all about defense and no way he takes Ryan over Dorsey. Guess what, he did, thank g-d for Atlanta fans.
St Louis has a ton of money tied up in their DL, it is almost impossible to fit in Suh salary on their DL and still have the money to rebuild the team elsewhere.
With their offense, they will have zero chance to improve their record so Spagnuolo will be fired , a pretty good reason to look QB in this draft unless neither Clausen nor Bradford is a top 5 talent. If they are even close St. Louis will have to take one or they will have a new HC after next season.

stlouisfan37
01-09-2010, 01:42 AM
That's what they said about Atlanta's HC. He's all about defense and no way he takes Ryan over Dorsey. Guess what, he did, thank g-d for Atlanta fans.
St Louis has a ton of money tied up in their DL, it is almost impossible to fit in Suh salary on their DL and still have the money to rebuild the team elsewhere.
With their offense, they will have zero chance to improve their record so Spagnuolo will be fired , a pretty good reason to look QB in this draft unless neither Clausen nor Bradford is a top 5 talent. If they are even close St. Louis will have to take one or they will have a new HC after next season.

I respectfully disagree. While the comparison appears to be valid, there are three things to consider...

1) Matt Ryan was WAY better coming out of college than either Clausen or Bradford. Ryan made things happen with very mediocre weapons. Clausen was unable to get Notre Dame to a bowl game with excellent weapons this year. Bradford is fragile and will not withstand the punishment of NFL defenses.

2) Suh is WAY better than Dorsey was coming out of college. He is stout against the run. He has the non-stop motor that is usually only found in smaller DE's or OLB's. He stops the run like Warren Sapp, rushes the passer like Dwight Freeney, and contains the line like Patrick Willis. He is by far the best player in this year's draft. And, while the Rams have had very unproductive drafts in the past, the front office now realizes that nothing will change until the talent level on this team drastically changes. Therefore, I see the Rams going with a "best player available" philosophy in the draft until things shift towards a positive nature.

3) There will be several very good QB's to choose from when the Rams choose with the 33rd pick, whether it be Colt McCoy, Tony Pike, or Sean Canfield. Hell, the best QB in this year's draft might very well be Dan Lefevour from Central MIchigan, and he may still be available with the first pick in the 4th round.

It seems clear to me that fans of other teams with high draft picks are trying to justify their belief that the Rams will pass on the best player available in this year's draft, but you have dreams of grandiosity.

Can I ask you a question, Iamcanadian? Where do you live and who do you pull for?

Dark Knight01
01-11-2010, 02:09 AM
I'm telling you....whoever drafts Jimmy Clausen is going to get one heckuva QB prospect. Just as long as he has a good head coach or offensive coordinator to grow and work with. Clausen has the goods.

The Rams should take Clausen....unless they plan on signing a FA or if they honestly think they can find a QB gem in Round 2?

Oh and yes......Suh is the real deal....end of story.

TornadoRex
01-11-2010, 02:26 AM
I respectfully disagree. While the comparison appears to be valid, there are three things to consider...

1) Matt Ryan was WAY better coming out of college than either Clausen or Bradford. Ryan made things happen with very mediocre weapons. Clausen was unable to get Notre Dame to a bowl game with excellent weapons this year. Bradford is fragile and will not withstand the punishment of NFL defenses.

2) Suh is WAY better than Dorsey was coming out of college. He is stout against the run. He has the non-stop motor that is usually only found in smaller DE's or OLB's. He stops the run like Warren Sapp, rushes the passer like Dwight Freeney, and contains the line like Patrick Willis. He is by far the best player in this year's draft. And, while the Rams have had very unproductive drafts in the past, the front office now realizes that nothing will change until the talent level on this team drastically changes. Therefore, I see the Rams going with a "best player available" philosophy in the draft until things shift towards a positive nature.

3) There will be several very good QB's to choose from when the Rams choose with the 33rd pick, whether it be Colt McCoy, Tony Pike, or Sean Canfield. Hell, the best QB in this year's draft might very well be Dan Lefevour from Central MIchigan, and he may still be available with the first pick in the 4th round.

It seems clear to me that fans of other teams with high draft picks are trying to justify their belief that the Rams will pass on the best player available in this year's draft, but you have dreams of grandiosity.

Can I ask you a question, Iamcanadian? Where do you live and who do you pull for?

The point is... you're STILL going to suck, even with Ndamukong. It's a shame that such a talent is going to go to St. Louis to waste, just like Steven Jackson.

Bite the bullet and get a real QB prospect. Everyone loved Bradford last year, but a 300 pounder falls right on his shoulder and now he's a chronic injury case? He's Joe Montana-lite. The future will never look bright in STL until there's stability at the QB position, and Colt McCoy is not the stability that you need.

gpngc
01-11-2010, 11:36 AM
I respectfully disagree. While the comparison appears to be valid, there are three things to consider...

1) Matt Ryan was WAY better coming out of college than either Clausen or Bradford. Ryan made things happen with very mediocre weapons. Clausen was unable to get Notre Dame to a bowl game with excellent weapons this year. Bradford is fragile and will not withstand the punishment of NFL defenses.



Whoa. Check the #s. Watch the tape. Jimmy Clausen played fantastic this season. Notre Dame's defense was beyond atrocious.

gpngc
01-11-2010, 11:38 AM
The point is... you're STILL going to suck, even with Ndamukong. It's a shame that such a talent is going to go to St. Louis to waste, just like Steven Jackson.

Bite the bullet and get a real QB prospect. Everyone loved Bradford last year, but a 300 pounder falls right on his shoulder and now he's a chronic injury case? He's Joe Montana-lite. The future will never look bright in STL until there's stability at the QB position, and Colt McCoy is not the stability that you need.

I do agree with you. But I honestly feel the wild card is Michael Vick. I posted about it in the Rams team thread.

If whoever is calling the shots gives Vick a 2nd chance/likes Vick/loves Suh, that could be the road they go down.

Otherwise, I can't see them passing on a QB, like you said.

StorminNorman
01-11-2010, 03:23 PM
I do agree with you. But I honestly feel the wild card is Michael Vick. I posted about it in the Rams team thread.

If whoever is calling the shots gives Vick a 2nd chance/likes Vick/loves Suh, that could be the road they go down.

Otherwise, I can't see them passing on a QB, like you said.

The person calling the shots in St. Louis DOES have a history with Vick.

cvv84
01-11-2010, 11:24 PM
21. Bengals
22. Patriots
23. Packers
24. Eagles

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/12/four-more-draft-slots-are-set/

LizardState
01-18-2010, 01:36 PM
I believe the Rams will take Suh. He is an excellent fit and Spagnuolo's strength is building a defense starting with the line. Being a defensive minded coach, he will always think defense first.

If Jake Locker were coming out I would think that would be more tempting, but I don't think anyone is that enamored with Clausen or Bradford at #1. Also, with as many decent QB's in this draft, teams will be thinking about waiting til the second round.

The Rams will take Suh b/c he's a once in decade DT, they've been wired into the Nebraska athletic dept. ever since they took Wistrom a long time ago.

I think they will go for a QB next, maybe Pike. Carolina & Zona are teams who will be looking for their next franchise QBs too, Zona less so than Carolina b/c they can make do with Leinart, a former starter. Caolina doesnt pick until he 2nd rd, Pike might be there then, who knows, QBs demand always seems to exceed supply on draft day.

AkiliSmith
01-18-2010, 02:01 PM
The Rams will take Suh b/c he's a once in decade DT, they've been wired into the Nebraska athletic dept. ever since they took Wistrom a long time ago.

I think they will go for a QB next, maybe Pike. Carolina & Zona are teams who will be looking for their next franchise QBs too, Zona less so than Carolina b/c they can make do with Leinart, a former starter. Caolina doesnt pick until he 2nd rd, Pike might be there then, who knows, QBs demand always seems to exceed supply on draft day.
I think Carolina will stick with Matt Moore, at least for another season.

Scott Wright
01-18-2010, 02:06 PM
I think Carolina will stick with Matt Moore, at least for another season.

I don't think they are going to have much of a choice.

NGSeiler
01-18-2010, 04:44 PM
St Louis has a ton of money tied up in their DL

Besides Chris Long, where is this ton of money? Surely you can't be thinking of Adam Carriker's five-year, $12.8 million contract. Not exactly a whopper of a deal he was signed to.

Mr. Offseason
01-19-2010, 01:28 AM
I think Carolina will stick with Matt Moore, at least for another season.

Agreed, and why wouldn't they? They have some money tied up in Delhomme, but Moore looked good against the Vikings and played better than I ever expected him to play late in the season last year. I think it would be best if the Panthers gave him a year to try to solidify himself as a starter. Either he will play pretty well and show some promise or he will have his ups and downs and solidify himself as their future #2.

But I think it would be best to give him his shot, let Delhomme rot on the bench/mentor Moore and then go after a QB in a class that will hopefully not be as bad as this one.

As for what the Rams should do, I think they have to go with Suh. Sure it would be nice to get a good/great QB with the #1 pick, but I can't think of a realistic circumstance in which I would prefer to select Clausen over Suh. Suh is just lightyears better as a prospect, is less likely to be a bust and more likely to be a pro-bowler, not to mention they could use help at DT. Carriker and Suh in the middle would be the start of an incredible DL, especially if Long can continue to improve at LE. Not to mention it would help them get the most out of Laurinaitis in the middle.

It pains me that the Bucs will either end up with McCoy or Berry (probably Berry). I can't see the Lions passing on McCoy unless it is for a LT like Okung. That means the Bucs will almost certainly get to draft Berry if they want him. That scares the living daylights out of me as a Falcons fan. I don't want to play against him for the next decade.

D-Unit
01-19-2010, 05:18 PM
Does this sound right? Just based off losses and regular season record.

25. Baltimore Ravens (9-7)
26. Arizona Cardinals (10-6)
27. Dallas Cowboys (11-5)
28. San Diego Chargers (13-3)

Splat
01-19-2010, 05:23 PM
The Cardinals made the playoffs in back to back years the Cardinals that still seems crazy to me.