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Shiver
03-12-2007, 06:36 PM
"I am now prepared to sit out the year if the Bears don't trade me or release me," Briggs told FOXSports.com via cell phone Monday. "I've played my last snap for them. I'll never play another down for Chicago again."

Fox Sports, Jay Glazer article (http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/6562918)

Go_Eagles77
03-12-2007, 06:38 PM
I'm interested in seeing how this plays out.

The Unseen
03-12-2007, 06:39 PM
aahhhh you could cut the tension with a knife!

Space Ghost
03-12-2007, 06:39 PM
And the plot thickens. Please come to Buffalo for Baltimore's 7th round selection. Is that asking too much? I wouldn\t mind giving up both of our 3rd round picks for him, maybe a 2nd next year or Baltimore's 3rd next year depending on what other teams are offering.

bored of education
03-12-2007, 06:40 PM
If he ends up in Buffalo wow.

Yung Flippa
03-12-2007, 06:44 PM
He'll Be On A Different Team By The Time The Reg. Season Starts

frogstomp
03-12-2007, 06:44 PM
I like Briggs, but I'm not a fan of holdouts.

If you deserve money, you will end up getting paid, one way or another.

PalmerToCJ
03-12-2007, 06:46 PM
I've gotta say I'm really doubting it. 7 mil (or whatever it is) to play one year or sitting out. IMO he's just bluffing to obviously get them to trade him so he can get his mega deal.

frogstomp
03-12-2007, 06:46 PM
He'll Be On A Different Team By The Time The Reg. Season Starts

Why the hell would you capitalize the first letter of every word, but then use an abbreviation for regular? Weird.

21ST
03-12-2007, 06:46 PM
This is going to get very interesting because i doubt they are going to move him this season.

Shiver
03-12-2007, 06:48 PM
I think this will work it's way like the Javon Walker situation last year. On draft day, somehow, someway, Briggs is elsewhere. If I were Buffalo I wouldn't hesitate to give up my 2nd round pick.

Jim Jim
03-12-2007, 06:49 PM
Have fun sitting out.

Crazy_Chris
03-12-2007, 06:51 PM
Yea he will probably end up being moved close to draft day, i think a second and maybe a conditional pick in next years draft would be enough for him

KBear
03-12-2007, 06:52 PM
The Bears cant actively trade him, and him being so public about it only hurts his chances. The Bears own his rights, they hold all the cards so to speak. The Bears did offer him a long term deal, and yes it was probably worth less then what he could have made this offseson (probably a lot less considering how much money is being thrown around). He would most likely have seen every last cent of the long term deal the Bears offered, which is something you probably cant say for most free agent signings. So at the end of the day, he would still get paid about the same.

PalmerToCJ
03-12-2007, 06:53 PM
I think this will work it's way like the Javon Walker situation last year. On draft day, somehow, someway, Briggs is elsewhere. If I were Buffalo I wouldn't hesitate to give up my 2nd round pick.

That's true. I think this situation is more in the FO's favor though, IIRC Walker was on his rookie contract still and was coming off the injury. If he played he would've made little anyway so he could hold out to cash in big elsewhere.

With Briggs, he has over 6 million waiting for him if he just signs the tender... I could see him playing this year under the tag then refusing next year as he would have a whole lot more money.

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 06:57 PM
That's true. I think this situation is more in the FO's favor though, IIRC Walker was on his rookie contract still and was coming off the injury. If he played he would've made little anyway so he could hold out to cash in big elsewhere.

With Briggs, he has over 6 million waiting for him if he just signs the tender... I could see him playing this year under the tag then refusing next year as he would have a whole lot more money.Walker held out to get his rookie deal changed, then got injured. Briggs just finished his rookie deal.

PalmerToCJ
03-12-2007, 07:00 PM
Walker held out to get his rookie deal changed, then got injured. Briggs just finished his rookie deal.

Yeah, that's the thing. Walker didn't have the FA tag ahead of him while Briggs does. I'm guessing Walker was due under a million while Briggs is due top 5 LB money.

I just don't see him going through with the hold out if he's still with the team that long.

Crazy_Chris
03-12-2007, 07:07 PM
it doesnt seem logical to hold out when you have that kind of money on the table for one year... but lets say he does come back how well will he play? will his disgust with situation come out and show on the feild? ... but ultimatley i think whether he stays or not might come down to the kind of offers they get for him

Space Ghost
03-12-2007, 07:11 PM
If he plays for the Bears next year at all I can't see him being to popular among teammates and fans, he would just put that whole defense out of sync. I would definitely get him out if I were the Bears. Bills 2nd round pick sound good? :D

jkpigskin
03-12-2007, 07:13 PM
hes obviously bluffing...theres still alot of time in the offseason

Flyboy
03-12-2007, 07:26 PM
Why does everyone automatically assume he's bluffing? If the man strongly believes in the something, it wouldn't surprise me if he DID sit out like I mentioned in an earlier thread.

Young Nasty Man
03-12-2007, 07:28 PM
He's going to be traded..I wouldn't worry about it....where there is a seller, there is usually a buyer..and Lance Briggs is great talent and if the Bears managed a way to get rid of Thomas Jones, they'll get rid of Lance Briggs....they will get some kind of deal and manage to make a trade...

Beans
03-12-2007, 07:30 PM
Why the hell would you capitalize the first letter of every word, but then use an abbreviation for regular? Weird.

THE SITE DOESN'T ALLOW ALL CAPS

I AM TRYING NOW!

I GUESS I WAS WRONG.

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 07:32 PM
neeeeww yooork giiiiants. its going to look awesome with briggs making plays in blue.

Smokey Joe
03-12-2007, 07:33 PM
No. 31 and Briggs to Buffalo for no. 12 :cool:

Smokey Joe
03-12-2007, 07:35 PM
Or to the Giants for their first round pick straight up.

remix 6
03-12-2007, 07:36 PM
i hate when a player becomes a ***** like Briggs. keep showin your about the money all star. forget winning and playing a game you "should" love

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 07:36 PM
Or to the Giants for their first round pick straight up.
no way are you guys getting a first round pick for briggs.. thats way to much.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 07:37 PM
And I'm seven feet tall. There are two rules to the offseason.

1)Never believe anything anyone says about the draft ever.

2)Never believe anything anyone says in regards to contract negotiations.

Quite frankly I doubt Briggs has the money to skip the whole season. He's been making less around 500k. He's going to turn down 7.2 million for one year? I doubt it. But we'll see.

princefielder28
03-12-2007, 07:37 PM
Bears will budge first b/c they want compensation for somebody that will just be sitting out

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 07:38 PM
no way are you guys getting a first round pick for briggs.. thats way to much.
Deion Branch got a 1st. It's not unreasonable.

Anyone that even suggests a third is a moron. I would say minimum high 2nd.

Beans
03-12-2007, 07:38 PM
He seems really ticked at the orginization, so I wouldn't be too suprised.

(Let's see him in Tampa!!)

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 07:39 PM
Bears will budge first b/c they want compensation for somebody that will just be sitting out
You don't know much about the Bears do you?

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 07:39 PM
no way are you guys getting a first round pick for briggs.. thats way to much.No way are the Giants getting him for only a second round pick. And no way are the Giants getting him and 37 or 31 for just their first round pick.

RexGrossmans-cheesecake
03-12-2007, 07:39 PM
neeeeww yooork giiiiants. its going to look awesome with briggs making plays in blue.

What would you guys offer the Bears?

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 07:39 PM
And I'm seven feet tall. There are two rules to the offseason.

1)Never believe anything anyone says about the draft ever.

2)Never believe anything anyone says in regards to contract negotiations.

Quite frankly I doubt Briggs has the money to skip the whole season. He's been making less around 500k. He's going to turn down 7.2 million for one year? I doubt it. But we'll see.
first of all he can take out loans. last time i checked 500k is alot of money in the real world..im sure he has family that will let him live with them if need be, or friends.

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 07:40 PM
Deion Branch got a 1st. It's not unreasonable.

Anyone that even suggests a third is a moron. I would say minimum high 2nd.
Briggs is a much better linebacker than Deion Branch is a receiver.

Flyboy
03-12-2007, 07:41 PM
No. 31 and Briggs to Buffalo for no. 12 :cool:

Heh, no way you get that much for Briggs. If anything, hope for a lower 1st round pick.

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 07:41 PM
and i didnt mean to sound like a snob either.. i read my post and realized i did.. lol

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 07:43 PM
first of all he can take out loans. last time i checked 500k is alot of money in the real world..im sure he has family that will let him live with them if need be, or friends.
His contract was up, if he didn't play he wouldn't be making anything. What bank in their right mind would give a loan to someone whose ability to pay it back is based on being in peak physical condition?

Crazy_Chris
03-12-2007, 07:43 PM
Id offer the Bears a High 2nd rounder and a conditional pick in next years draft and maybeee another late round choice in this years draft

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 07:44 PM
first of all he can take out loans. last time i checked 500k is alot of money in the real world..im sure he has family that will let him live with them if need be, or friends.
But why would he do that? What is he going to get out of it? The Bears are not going to back down. Jerry has already said that if he wants to get paid he can show up and if not then too bad. Sure he could live off of it, but it would be pretty stupid.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 07:45 PM
Heh, no way you get that much for Briggs. If anything, hope for a lower 1st round pick.
Umm...check out a trade chart sometime. That is the value of a high 2nd pick.

Vikes99ej
03-12-2007, 07:46 PM
Boy, he's a feisty little bugger.

Crazy_Chris
03-12-2007, 07:46 PM
oh yea and about the whole deion branch thing, draft picks are worth much less in the begining of the season than they are now. which is logical considering early in the season you dont know what you'll be getting in a draft pick you could wind up gettin the #1 overall or #32 but now you know what your getting... i still think its a bit high for deion branch but theres no way the seahawks make that kind of trade right now if he was still a pat

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 07:48 PM
His contract was up, if he didn't play he wouldn't be making anything. What bank in their right mind would give a loan to someone whose ability to pay it back is based on being in peak physical condition?

a bank that realizes that in a year hes going to sign a HUGE contract?? are you kidding? he can still work out every single day and bust his ass if need be. the bears need to trade him some where. seriously.. not necessarily the giants but that would be nice.

Flyboy
03-12-2007, 07:49 PM
Umm...check out a trade chart sometime. That is the value of a high 2nd pick.

I fail to see how Buffalo's TWELFTH pick equals the value of a high 2nd pick, but whatever.

fenikz
03-12-2007, 07:49 PM
Briggs come home to AZ

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 07:50 PM
you're kidding right? there's a vast difference between making 500k a year, making 7 million a year and sleeping on your mom's couch and driving a pinto to the unemployment office.
living on your own or with your friends for one year is not a big deal so you can be happy. there is a vast differnce i guarantee he has the resources to gut it out for a year if need be. i doubt he would.. but still.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 07:51 PM
I fail to see how Buffalo's TWELFTH pick equals the value of a high 2nd pick, but whatever.
Cause he said the Bears 31st and Briggs for the 12th.

Reading. It's fundamental.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Briggs come home to AZ

Briggs is from California, and refers to himself as such. Even when he does the MNF he usually says what high school he is from cause he's embaressed of the University of Arizona.

Crazy_Chris
03-12-2007, 07:52 PM
Buffalo #12(1200) Chicago #31(600) & Lance Briggs that trade values lance briggs as the same value of #31 overall depending on personal opions it could be considered a good deal

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 07:53 PM
living on your own or with your friends for one year is not a big deal so you can be happy. there is a vast differnce i guarantee he has the resources to gut it out for a year if need be. i doubt he would.. but still.

You realize how stupid this is right?

Flyboy
03-12-2007, 07:53 PM
Cause he said the Bears 31st and Briggs for the 12th.

Reading. It's fundamental.

You know it is quite possible to make a point on a messageboard without being a complete douchebag in the process. Just a thought.

Jughead10
03-12-2007, 07:55 PM
you'd give up 7 million for one year to live on a buddy's couch? you think anyone, realistically, would? if the bears do nothing, he'll come back, if for no other reason than that it would be financially stupid not to.

Eh, with how crazy the markets are getting him sitting out a year is realistic. I'm sure he would never stay on a friend's couch, that is just dumb. But my guess is that Briggs had made about 3 million in his career so far. If he isn't a complete moron with his money, he could sit on his ass in a nice apartment for a year and do nothing. Going back and playing for 7 million guaranteed is a risk of getting a career ending injury when he could probably sit a full year, not risk injury, and get 18-20 million guaranteed in 2008.

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 07:56 PM
you'd give up 7 million for one year to live on a buddy's couch? you think anyone, realistically, would? if the bears do nothing, he'll come back, if for no other reason than that it would be financially stupid not to.

your asking the wrong person because i value being happy over anything else. like i said i doubt he has the balls to sit out a season.

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 07:57 PM
Eh, with how crazy the markets are getting him sitting out a year in realistic. I'm sure he would never stay on a friend's couch, that is just dumb. But my guess is that Briggs had made about 3 million in his career so far. If he isn't a complete moron with his money, he could sit on his ass in a nice apartment for a year and do nothing. Going back and playing for 7 million guaranteed is a risk of getting a career ending injury when he could probably sit a full year, not risk injury, and get 18-20 million guaranteed in 2008.

exactly, nicely said.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 07:57 PM
You know it is quite possible to make a point on a messageboard without being a complete douchebag in the process. Just a thought.
Yeah good one. Cause you weren't acting like a condescending know-it-all when you thought you knew what you were talking about. Just learn to use your brain next time and it won't be an issue.

Flyboy
03-12-2007, 07:58 PM
in spite of your join date and post total, i'd venture to guess you don't spend much time here. because 74% of the time, it's not.

And, I don't buy that logic at all. There are various ways to make a point without resulting to insults, however, it seems like some people prefer that way for whatever reason they see fit.

drmoyer421
03-12-2007, 07:58 PM
Everyone may know the Briggs and Jauron connection. And both have said great things about each other, as Briggs said he would like to play for Jauron again.

BUT.. Did you know that before Levy took the job as GM here in Buffalo, he was one of the announcers for the Bears. And he was one of the first to say that Briggs was a superstar in the making.

Both the Coach and GM love Briggs, and we have a need at LB. I have a feeling that this may be a draft day type trade. The Bills will see thier choices at the #12 and possibly make a move. That or I could even see giving a next years first round pick for him with one of thier thirds

Jughead10
03-12-2007, 08:00 PM
i can't comment on briggs' intelligence, but i'd have to guess he hasn't had a sound financial plan (based on nothing but watching MTV Cribs). if he hasn't invested well, that money is basically gone at this point, moreso because the taxes on his salary alone will roughly cut it in half. meh. the injury argument is the only one that makes any sense, but i think he's an idiot if he banks on next year's cap being anything like this years if there's money on the table.

Next year's cap will probably go up 3 million I'm guessing. Not nearly the 9 or so it has each of the last two years. Either way teams are still a ton of money under the cap with very few quality free agent left, if there were any to start off with. I don't think contract prices will go up next off season but I would assume we will see similar deals. Also I've never seen his MTV Cribs, ha. Only seen Will Demps. I don't know how he deserved one.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:01 PM
Everyone may know the Briggs and Jauron connection. And both have said great things about each other, as Briggs said he would like to play for Jauron again.

BUT.. Did you know that before Levy took the job as GM here in Buffalo, he was one of the announcers for the Bears. And he was one of the first to say that Briggs was a superstar in the making.

Both the Coach and GM love Briggs, and we have a need at LB. I have a feeling that this may be a draft day type trade. The Bills will see thier choices at the #12 and possibly make a move. That or I could even see giving a next years first round pick for him with one of thier thirds
All very good points. Although as I recall Levy had a radio show, he wasn't an announcer. But yes, Marv is in love with all things Chicago, which is why he keeps trying to sign all of our coaches and players.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:02 PM
Eh, with how crazy the markets are getting him sitting out a year is realistic. I'm sure he would never stay on a friend's couch, that is just dumb. But my guess is that Briggs had made about 3 million in his career so far. If he isn't a complete moron with his money, he could sit on his ass in a nice apartment for a year and do nothing. Going back and playing for 7 million guaranteed is a risk of getting a career ending injury when he could probably sit a full year, not risk injury, and get 18-20 million guaranteed in 2008.
Unless they tag him again, which they probably will.

Jerry Angelo makes Jeffrey Lurie look like Santa Claus. I think you're all forgetting that. He traded Jones because he wanted to.

drmoyer421
03-12-2007, 08:02 PM
All very good points. Although as I recall Levy had a radio show, he wasn't an announcer. But yes, Marv is in love with all things Chicago, which is why he keeps trying to sign all of our coaches and players.

Ha HA.. true. And yes you are right about the radio show. I mistyped!

SFbear
03-12-2007, 08:04 PM
Everyone may know the Briggs and Jauron connection. And both have said great things about each other, as Briggs said he would like to play for Jauron again.

BUT.. Did you know that before Levy took the job as GM here in Buffalo, he was one of the announcers for the Bears. And he was one of the first to say that Briggs was a superstar in the making.

Both the Coach and GM love Briggs, and we have a need at LB. I have a feeling that this may be a draft day type trade. The Bills will see thier choices at the #12 and possibly make a move. That or I could even see giving a next years first round pick for him with one of thier thirds

Also the Bills are a non-conference team that the Bears won't be playing for another couple years. It's a good fit, but I definitely see it as a draft day trade once the Bills see what they have at 12.

Jughead10
03-12-2007, 08:05 PM
Unless they tag him again, which they probably will.

Jerry Angelo makes Jeffrey Lurie look like Santa Claus. I think you're all forgetting that. He traded Jones because he wanted to.

If he tags him again then Angelo is just a spiteful ass. Bottom line.

dhoe20
03-12-2007, 08:07 PM
I'm surprised they haven't gotten a trade for him yet. Would you mind trading a 1st round pick for him? Think about it, he's an all-pro quality player that will have an immediate impact on the defense, and on top of that, he's only 26. If you draft a lber in the first round, more than likely, he won't be as good as Briggs. It'll take him a while for him to adjust, and even after he does adjust, what's to say that he's going to be an all-pro like Briggs? I haven't heard how much the Bears have been asking though, so that might be why no deals been done.

Damix
03-12-2007, 08:08 PM
Why the hell would you capitalize the first letter of every word, but then use an abbreviation for regular? Weird.

he didnt, if you post completely in caps it changes to that

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:08 PM
If he tags him again then Angelo is just a spiteful ass. Bottom line.

He's a business man. This isn't the business of making friends.

And being a spiteful ass can get you very far in life. Maybe if Briggs has a problem with the franchise tag he should talk to his own union, which authorized the renewal of it. If they don't like it so much, don't put it in there. The Bears are doing what they are legally allowed to do to protect their interests.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:09 PM
I'm surprised they haven't gotten a trade for him yet. Would you mind trading a 1st round pick for him? Think about it, he's an all-pro quality player that will have an immediate impact on the defense, and on top of that, he's only 26. If you draft a lber in the first round, more than likely, he won't be as good as Briggs. It'll take him a while for him to adjust, and even after he does adjust, what's to say that he's going to be an all-pro like Briggs? I haven't heard how much the Bears have been asking though, so that might be why no deals been done.

According to Jerry (and take it for what it is worth) he said they would consider no trade offers.

Jughead10
03-12-2007, 08:11 PM
He's a business man. This isn't the business of making friends.

And being a spiteful ass can get you very far in life. Maybe if Briggs has a problem with the franchise tag he should talk to his own union, which authorized the renewal of it. If they don't like it so much, don't put it in there. The Bears are doing what they are legally allowed to do to protect their interests.

Well that is a whole another story. I could go on for a while about how poorly the football players union is run and how much of a clown Upshaw is.

What year did Angelo become GM by the way.

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 08:11 PM
If he tags him again then Angelo is just a spiteful ass. Bottom line.yea, if he tags him the bears organization has no class.

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 08:12 PM
If he tags him again then Angelo is just a spiteful ass. Bottom line.
Or he wants to receive compensation for one of his best players.

BuckNaked
03-12-2007, 08:12 PM
Quite frankly I doubt Briggs has the money to skip the whole season. He's been making less around 500k.

I'm sure 99.9% of the people in the world would love to live on 500k a year.

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 08:13 PM
According to Jerry (and take it for what it is worth) he said they would consider no trade offers.According to Jerry we weren't trading Thomas Jones either.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:13 PM
I'm sure 99.9% of the people in the world would love to live on 500k a year.
Which is relavent because?

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:14 PM
Well that is a whole another story. I could go on for a while about how poorly the football players union is run and how much of a clown Upshaw is.

What year did Angelo become GM by the way.
2001

Poop.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:14 PM
According to Jerry we weren't trading Thomas Jones either.

Not true. He said that they would look to accomodate Jones' request this season because it was time for both parties to go a different way and they were ready for Benson to start. If you really don't believe me I can find you the quote.

Jughead10
03-12-2007, 08:15 PM
Or he wants to receive compensation for one of his best players.

Tag and trade him. Thats fine. But if they tag him again thinking he will play to see if he will sit a second season would be quite spiteful.

SFbear
03-12-2007, 08:16 PM
I'm sure 99.9% of the people in the world would love to live on 500k a year.

99.9% of the people in the world don't retire before theyre 35 because their bodies have completely shut down and they can't remember their children's names because of one too may concussions.

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 08:16 PM
Not true. He said that they would look to accomodate Jones' request this season because it was time for both parties to go a different way and they were ready for Benson to start. If you really don't believe me I can find you the quote.
I think after or on draft day Briggs is gone.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:16 PM
Tag and trade him. Thats fine. But if they tag him again thinking he will play to see if he will sit a second season would be quite spiteful.

If Briggs was smart he wouldn't go public and make a big **** about it. By doing that he's not only decreasing his value but he's putting the Bears in a corner where if they trade him they look like they are publicly backing down.

Crazy_Chris
03-12-2007, 08:19 PM
To be honest im not so sure im sold on this whole buffalo trading #12 for briggs they need a LB but they also need RB now and with marshawn lynch(or possibly Adrian Peterson) sitting there why are they going to trade for briggs just to have a mediocre running back group next year? i think i can see Bills could trade their second round and maybe one of there two thirds but not so much the #12

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 08:21 PM
If Briggs was smart he wouldn't go public and make a big **** about it. By doing that he's not only decreasing his value but he's putting the Bears in a corner where if they trade him they look like they are publicly backing down.
He's also making himself look like a baby. He doesn't want to take 7.2 million dollars to play for a contending football team? He'll only make himself money by playing.

Crazy_Chris
03-12-2007, 08:23 PM
I agree briggs should have just taken it all in stride gone and out there n had a MONSTER year and than get what he deserves being one of the TOP free agents next(assuming they wouldnt tag him again)

TitleTown088
03-12-2007, 08:24 PM
Power to the people Briggs!! Don't let the man tell you what to do.

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 08:26 PM
Power to the people Briggs!! Don't let the man tell you what to do.
The man was signing his 7.2 million paycheck. I can't even begin to tell you all the things I'd do for 7.2 million dollars.

Philliez01
03-12-2007, 08:29 PM
I'm not sure what to believe about this.

One side is the obvious, Briggs wants leverage but I wouldn't expect him to say "I'M WHOLEDING OUT CUZ I WHANT MO MONES" in March, 4 months from the beginning of Training Camp. I mean, if the Bears had no interest in trading him, wouldn't Briggs' stock take a tumble if he held out for a whole season? Why would he risk that?

Also, at this time last year didn't Thomas Jones say something along the same lines without the franchise tag though? It's too early for me to take this seriously but I guess in theory anything is possible.

I'm a believer in that you should try to get what you are worth. If you feel that you are a top-5 LB, all the power to you. In today's age of contracts and guaranteed money you have to think what's going to happen down the line. Sure, 500k per year is nice and all but what happens once Briggs hits say, 35 and retires? He probably spends a bit of that money and has to go 20years with maybe kids going to college (if they don't get a scholarships) there will be quite a bit of money being needed. I'm not too sure if the NFL pension policy is any good so I can't hold judgement on it.

BuckNaked
03-12-2007, 08:34 PM
99.9% of the people in the world don't retire before theyre 35 because their bodies have completely shut down and they can't remember their children's names because of one too may concussions.

And this has happened to Briggs?

SFbear
03-12-2007, 08:41 PM
And this has happened to Briggs?

It happens to football player in general. Its a terrible fallacy to say that just because something applies outside of football that it should apply inside the NFL. I gave you an example of something that applies to the NFL but doesnt apply to average Joe's.

Damix
03-12-2007, 08:43 PM
It happens to football player in general. Its a terrible fallacy to say that just because something applies outside of football that it should apply inside the NFL. I gave you an example of something that applies to the NFL but doesnt apply to average Joe's.

But it has nothing to do with what he was saying.

fenikz
03-12-2007, 08:44 PM
just wondering who is Briggs' agent?

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:45 PM
just wondering who is Briggs' agent?

I believe it's Rosenhaus (sp)

fenikz
03-12-2007, 08:46 PM
ok now i understand why he is holding out

eaglesalltheway
03-12-2007, 08:47 PM
I don't think he will sit the whole year but...He is taking a HUGE risk there. If he does that, he can guarantee that any team that was looking into him this year will think twice about doing it next year. He will be seen as a player who only cares about himself and not his team. This is not a good idea if you ask me.

Basileus777
03-12-2007, 08:47 PM
99.9% of the people in the world don't retire before theyre 35 because their bodies have completely shut down and they can't remember their children's names because of one too may concussions.

Neither do 99% of NFL players. There is risk involved in this business, but not necessarily more than hundreds of other jobs that ordinary people work in (who don't receive millions of dollars to play a game).

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:50 PM
It's completely non-related. What people that don't play football would take as financial compensation doesn't matter. Who cares? That's probably why they don't play football.

TacticaLion
03-12-2007, 08:52 PM
Why the hell would you capitalize the first letter of every word, but then use an abbreviation for regular? Weird.HAHA! Love it... great post.

+Rep.

(About topic: Good. Everyone thought that he'd just shut his mouth and play. If he's fed up with the organization, they should do the right thing and fix it... not just ignore him.)

Damix
03-12-2007, 08:52 PM
It's completely non-related. What people that don't play football would take as financial compensation doesn't matter. Who cares? That's probably why they don't play football.

The point was he should have plenty of money to last a year.

Damix
03-12-2007, 08:52 PM
HAHA! Love it... great post.

+Rep.

(About topic: Good. Everyone thought that he'd just shut his mouth and play. If he's fed up with the organization, they should do the right thing and fix it... not just ignore him.)


I already posted about that, he didn't.

SFbear
03-12-2007, 08:52 PM
Neither do 99% of NFL players. There is risk involved in this business, but not necessarily more than hundreds of other jobs that ordinary people work in (who don't receive millions of dollars to play a game).

But the risk and short lived career should be taken into account when commenting about a players so called "greed".

I may have misunderstood the original comment so I apologize if I did.

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 08:55 PM
The point was he should have plenty of money to last a year.

Of course. But is he going to turn down 7.2 million for nothing? I don't think so. But again, we'll see. Anything that anyone says right now is purely speculating. Briggs is property of the Chicago Bears. They own his rights. He can play and make money or not play and get nothing. If they trade him then good for him, but I don't think it's going to happen.

TitleTown088
03-12-2007, 08:56 PM
Of course. But is he going to turn down 7.2 million for nothing? I don't think so. But again, we'll see. Anything that anyone says right now is purely speculating. Briggs is property of the Chicago Bears. They own his rights. He can play and make money or not play and get nothing. If they trade him then good for him, but I don't think it's going to happen.
Just because you don't want it to happen dosen't mean it wont. :)

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 09:04 PM
Just because you don't want it to happen dosen't mean it wont. :)

No I'm looking at this pretty objectively. I completely understand Briggs' perspective on this. He just doesn't have any leverage. Players say this every year and it never ever happens. In the history of the franchise tag there hasn't been a single player that has missed one game. Think about that.

fenikz
03-12-2007, 09:06 PM
i think he has all the leverage

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 09:06 PM
i think he has all the leverage

Go on.......

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 09:08 PM
i think he has all the leverage
Why is that?

Basileus777
03-12-2007, 09:10 PM
No I'm looking at this pretty objectively. I completely understand Briggs' perspective on this. He just doesn't have any leverage. Players say this every year and it never ever happens. In the history of the franchise tag there hasn't been a single player that has missed one game. Think about that.

He wasn't tagged, but threatening to sit out unless he was traded worked for Deion Branch. I don't see how Branch had more leverage than Briggs has now.

fenikz
03-12-2007, 09:12 PM
how is going to hurt him not to play? I guarantee even if he sat out an entire year he would still make bank the next off season or if the bears chose to franchise him again its another 7 mill to sit on his can

and at this point any team that offers to trade for him is gonna want to know if he will play so thus giving him the option to choose where he goes

TitleTown088
03-12-2007, 09:13 PM
No I'm looking at this pretty objectively. I completely understand Briggs' perspective on this. He just doesn't have any leverage. Players say this every year and it never ever happens. In the history of the franchise tag there hasn't been a single player that has missed one game. Think about that.
I realize that, I was just giving you some ****.

evershot
03-12-2007, 09:14 PM
Who are some possible AFC teams that would trade for Briggs? I doubt Angelo will trade Briggs to any possible NFC contender much like how he trade Thomas Jones to the Jets.

sweetness34
03-12-2007, 09:16 PM
He wasn't tagged, but threatening to sit out unless he was traded worked for Deion Branch. I don't see how Branch had more leverage than Briggs has now.

Yes he was. Lance Briggs was tagged by the Chicago Bears, hence why he is bitching. Am I missing something here?

Lance Briggs doesn't hold any leverage. We don't have to trade him. We don't have to do anything. He can sit on his ass this year and not play while not collecting a pay check. The ball is in his court, not the organizations.

sweetness34
03-12-2007, 09:19 PM
Ok nevermind, I thought you were talking about Briggs Basileus. Or were you? Clear this up for me please.

Basileus777
03-12-2007, 09:19 PM
Yes he was. Lance Briggs was tagged by the Chicago Bears, hence why he is bitching. Am I missing something here?

Lance Briggs doesn't hold any leverage. We don't have to trade him. We don't have to do anything. He can sit on his ass this year and not play while not collecting a pay check. The ball is in his court, not the organizations.

The same was true for Deion Branch. In the end Branch still got what he wanted. Granted the Bears might refuse to cave in, but there is still probably a decent chance that Briggs will be traded.

TitleTown088
03-12-2007, 09:22 PM
If Briggs sit this one out and the bears somehow get nothing for him he deserves man of the year.

Basileus777
03-12-2007, 09:22 PM
Ok nevermind, I thought you were talking about Briggs Basileus. Or were you? Clear this up for me please.

I was using the example of Deion Branch from last year to show that threatening to sit the year out has forced teams to trade a player. Branch wasn't tagged, but he didn't have anymore leverage than Briggs has now. Yet Branch was still traded.

sweetness34
03-12-2007, 09:23 PM
The same was true for Deion Branch. In the end Branch still got what he wanted. Granted the Bears might refuse to cave in, but there is still probably a decent chance that Briggs will be traded.

So you were talking about Branch, ok gotcha. My fault.

Anywho, the Bears will trade him if they WANT to, not because they HAVE to. If they feel like the the best thing is to trade Lance because they get a good deal, they'll do it. But they won't trade him because he wants to be traded.

sweetness34
03-12-2007, 09:24 PM
If Briggs sit this one out and the bears somehow get nothing for him he deserves man of the year.

How funny though would that be if they franchised him again next year, hahahahah.

TitleTown088
03-12-2007, 09:25 PM
So you were talking about Branch, ok gotcha. My fault.

Anywho, the Bears will trade him if they WANT to, not because they HAVE to. If they feel like the the best thing is to trade Lance because they get a good deal, they'll do it. But they won't trade him because he wants to be traded.


Didn't they trade their best RB because he wanted to be traded?

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 09:27 PM
Didn't they trade their best RB because he wanted to be traded?They traded Thomas Jones because they were confident in Cedric Benson, and the value they were receiving was worth it in Jerry Angelo's mind. It was because Jerry and Lovie wanted to, not because Thomas wanted to.

KILLERSANTA
03-12-2007, 09:28 PM
I know it may/will not happen..But Briggs would look damn sexy in a cowboys uniform!!!!!

I would be more then willing to give up a first(22nd) pick!

frogstomp
03-12-2007, 09:28 PM
This thread is sextastic.

I've enjoyed laughing at about 5 different people's ignorance.

Bravo! Encore!

TitleTown088
03-12-2007, 09:28 PM
They traded Thomas Jones because they were confident in Cedric Benson, and the value they were receiving was worth it in Jerry Angelo's mind. It was because Jerry and Lovie wanted to, not because Thomas wanted to.

But wasn't the reason the whole issue of a trade came up because TJ wanted one?

SFbear
03-12-2007, 09:31 PM
But wasn't the reason the whole issue of a trade came up because TJ wanted one?

He wanted one last year also, but JA didnt like any of the offers we were getting. So Jones didnt go anywhere and played a pretty good year.

Hurricane Ditka
03-12-2007, 09:31 PM
This thread is sextastic.

I've enjoyed laughing at about 5 different people's ignorance.

Bravo! Encore!Who exactly are you calling ignorant?

TitleTown088
03-12-2007, 09:35 PM
He wanted one last year also, but JA didnt like any of the offers we were getting. So Jones didnt go anywhere and played a pretty good year.

Alrighty. Thanks for the clarification.

TitleTown088
03-12-2007, 09:44 PM
Who exactly are you calling ignorant?

Everyone obviously..
http://www.planearium2.de/bilder/charaktere-michaeljackson.jpg

bearsfan_51
03-12-2007, 09:45 PM
how is going to hurt him not to play? I guarantee even if he sat out an entire year he would still make bank the next off season or if the bears chose to franchise him again its another 7 mill to sit on his can

and at this point any team that offers to trade for him is gonna want to know if he will play so thus giving him the option to choose where he goes
Umm...you realize that you don't get paid if you sit out right? He won't make anything. And the Bears could franchise him for another year and he'd still make nothing.

Smokey Joe
03-12-2007, 09:51 PM
I say somewhere in the 20-30 range straight up is good value for Briggs. John Abraham got a first round pick last year, and he was basically in the same situation.

KILLERSANTA
03-12-2007, 09:52 PM
I say somewhere in the 20-30 range straight up is good value for Briggs. John Abraham got a first round pick last year, and he was basically in the same situation.
Agree, like 22nd :)

Caddy
03-12-2007, 09:53 PM
I know it may/will not happen..But Briggs would look damn sexy in a cowboys uniform!!!!!

I would be more then willing to give up a first(22nd) pick!

Would he fit in the Boys' Defense?

KILLERSANTA
03-12-2007, 09:56 PM
Would he fit in the Boys' Defense?

ILB, He's (Briggs) about 10 times better then james

frogstomp
03-12-2007, 10:04 PM
Who exactly are you calling ignorant?

Pretty much just Title Town, however, he's so damn ignorant I counted him 5 times.

AlexDown
03-12-2007, 10:13 PM
Apparently Asante Samuel is holding out also.

Microphon200
03-12-2007, 10:13 PM
Briggs is an idiot as well as greedy. He needs to get his butt on the field and play. He acts like $7+million is chump change. I hope the Bears franchise him again and again so that he can never play another down in the NFL again. I know it would never happen, but theoretically it can and it would be very funny.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
03-12-2007, 10:35 PM
JA will not trade him unless someone is coughing up a 1st rounder. PEROID.

JA wasn't born yesterday.. A lot of people around the league thought Briggs should have gotten some DPOY consideration. This is an elite player, not just a good player.

37 + Briggs for #12 is fair on both ends IMO.

Briggs or Willis? Assuming Buffalo wants a LB in the first.. This is a pretty weak LB class IMO.. It's a no brainer to me.

Briggs is proven and still very young. The Buffalo connection is there. Last year on draft day the two teams made a trade together.

In the end I don't think Briggs is moved, and there's absolutely no way he walks away from $7.2M.

John Abraham who had serious durability concerns picked up a 1st rounder last year. You guys who are offering Mid/Late 2nd round picks are absolutely out of your mind.

When did that John Abraham trade go down last year? Was it around this time of last year?

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 10:36 PM
hjit fit great in the giant scheme, him and antonio pierce are great friends.

P-L
03-12-2007, 10:36 PM
You can't say that the Bears hold all of the leverage in this. You have to look at it from both sides. The Bears see it as Briggs can play and get his money or he can sit and not collect a dime. Briggs sees it as the Bears can trade him and receive compensation for him or they can let him sit at home and get nothing for him. I don't see how letting Briggs sit at home and not play for the Bears helps the organization. It's not like the Bears are in a win-win situation like a lot of you are suggesting. Guess what, if Briggs doesn't play than neither side wins.

gonzo1105
03-12-2007, 10:41 PM
If I'm Marv Levy(i'm a Bills fan), I dont care what is on the board at 12. I would make that deal in a heartbeat trading # 12 for 31 and Lance Briggs. Briggs is the best player you can get in the draft. Maybe eventually someone down the road would be a better player for Briggs but the Bills desperately need an attacking LBer that can make plays in the opponents backfield.

I dont care if Calvin Johnson is sitting on the board at 12 i'm more then willing to STAY in the 1st round and pick up and all pro LBer in the process. Bring on pick 31 if Briggs is coming Buffalo's way.

Then the Bills could take a CB in the first round such as Revis, Houston or others and work from there. I would be a happy Bills fan if that happened.

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 10:41 PM
but the bears can still franchise briggs next year and the year after (if i understand right). they could, essentially, tag him until he's no longer able to play football, meaning that if they don't need the tag and don't feel like whatever compensation they can get will help, they can let briggs rot on his couch.briggs can retire this year and come back next year cant he..? if they did that they would be the most classless pieces of garbage on the planet .

P-L
03-12-2007, 10:43 PM
but the bears can still franchise briggs next year and the year after (if i understand right). they could, essentially, tag him until he's no longer able to play football, meaning that if they don't need the tag and don't feel like whatever compensation they can get will help, they can let briggs rot on his couch.

Yes, they can in fact do that. I still don't understand how that helps the team though.

Damix
03-12-2007, 10:47 PM
He could also do what Branch threatened to do, play just enough games to be eligible for FA again, making them pay for him and not total production

BlindSite
03-12-2007, 10:48 PM
How about the number 31 and briggs for the no.14?

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 10:49 PM
no more and no less than briggs himself would be.
yea how is that? because chicago is nickel and diming briggs?

Damix
03-12-2007, 10:49 PM
*shrug* if they don't feel that whatever is offered in trade seriously helps the team, they might be willing to sit on briggs. moreso because it's unlikely he'd spend the next seven years sitting at home. eventually he'd report to get paid. i don't think it's necessarily logical, but were i an owner, and i didn't think that i was getting anything of proper value in trade offers, i would have no problem sitting on a holdout player until he was no longer able to play.

The Bears would be fairly stupid to do that, he could wait a year, then sign the franchise deal. Then they are paying a ridiculous ammount for a LB whos been out for a year.

Basileus777
03-12-2007, 10:50 PM
but the bears can still franchise briggs next year and the year after (if i understand right). they could, essentially, tag him until he's no longer able to play football, meaning that if they don't need the tag and don't feel like whatever compensation they can get will help, they can let briggs rot on his couch.

And continue to waste significant portions of their salary cap (which would increase each year) for spite?

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 10:52 PM
how in the HELL are you going to call 7 million for one year "nickel and diming"? do you have any vague concept of what that places him at in terms of LB salaries around the league?
did he get a huge signing bonus?

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 10:57 PM
he's getting 7 million guaranteed for a single year of play. if he forces them to continue franchising him, he'll get MORE than he would with some backloaded contract. again, how is this difficult to understand? are you just being obnoxious because you want him on the giants and he just has to be traded because he said so and no other alternative is acceptable? or are you at least trying to think about this logically?THATS HALF what he would receive in guaranteed money in a long term deal what dont you understand?

Damix
03-12-2007, 11:02 PM
they could also trade him at that point. if the value sucks, the value sucks. i don't see any reason why they have to trade him rightthisinstant just because they can get a 7th round pick and a roll of quarters for him (metaphorically speaking, of course).

Once he signs, can't he not be traded, I kind of remember someone saying that when Abraham was tagged last year? The salary cap ramifications would probably be big aswell.

jblaze66
03-12-2007, 11:04 PM
The reason he is doing this is simple, the possibility of injury. If he gets injured and misses a good amount of time this year, then no way will he get as much $$$ as he would have this year. Its basically as simple as that. HE wants to force a trade get a long term deal done this year after being a Pro-Bowler and appearing in the Super Bowl.

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 11:07 PM
The reason he is doing this is simple, the possibility of injury. If he gets injured and misses a good amount of time this year, then no way will he get as much $$$ as he would have this year. Its basically as simple as that. HE wants to force a trade get a long term deal done this year after being a Pro-Bowler and appearing in the Super Bowl.
nicely said, he should have 14-20 million guaranteed. the bears are yanking this guy around just like lovie and rivera.

hugepunch
03-12-2007, 11:16 PM
and he can't receive this PLUS that money next year? again, your math is terrible. and, as was brought up earlier in this thread, do you think suddenly everyone will sign players for LESS next year? i guess you're right. next year, teams will only hand out reasonable contracts with small signing bonuses, and the 7 million guaranteed he would have gotten this year won't come close to making up the difference.

they should've traded him to the giants for next to nothing already.seriously shutup, i could care less if they trade briggs to the giants. im fine with drafting a linebacker. my math is fine, its not my fault you no nothing about contracts. what if he has a serious injury this is football not golf, what then smart guy? hes not getting any contract buddy is he. no team is going to touch the guy. so take your smart attitude somewhere else im talking nice and your being a smart ass because im bringing facts and your pulling bs out of your ass. he wants SECURITY. not INSECURITY. why take 7 mill when you can get more then double that.

TitleTown088
03-12-2007, 11:18 PM
Pretty much just Title Town, however, he's so damn ignorant I counted him 5 times.

Exactly what did i say that was sooo ignorant MJ?

gonzo1105
03-12-2007, 11:22 PM
seriously shutup, i could care less if they trade briggs to the giants. im fine with drafting a linebacker. my math is fine, its not my fault you no nothing about contracts. what if he has a serious injury this is football not golf, what then smart guy? hes not getting any contract buddy is he. no team is going to touch the guy. so take your smart attitude somewhere else im talking nice and your being a smart ass because im bringing facts and your pulling bs out of your ass. he wants SECURITY. not INSECURITY. why take 7 mill when you can get more then double that.

I agree with this as well. Well not the shut up part and all that but the contract stuff..Sure 7 mill aint nothing to gawk over but when you see Adalius Thomas not get franchised and get 20 mill guaranteed that is almost triple what Briggs is seeing this year and thats gotta piss him off. I'm not saying he should be complaining about 7 million but I tell you if I had the choice between 7 and 20 million and got forced to take the 7 million I wouldn't be too happy about that either. Plus he's at least good for another 4 years minimum and probably a lot more so the money would be rolling in for this guy in his prime...yet hes stuck with 7 million and one serious injury means no more jack for him

Bearsfan123
03-12-2007, 11:44 PM
plain and simple, we will see what happens. Tho id like to spite Briggs and screw him over for whining to the press about his own problems (especially since individuals such as TJ, and Lovie didnt cry NEARLY as much as this pansy), i hope we trade him for a pick.


ps- A good reason ppl should just genuinely dislike this guy is that he goes to reporters and pretty much says "I dont like my salary help me force my boss to get me transferred" when hes making top 5 money. Keep that in mind when we argue about him.

Crazy_Chris
03-13-2007, 12:03 AM
Well the other day i heard a good point on NFL live,seeing how the avg window for a players career is somewhere from 10-14 years(less for RB's) and a lot of rookie contracts can be 4-7 years most nfl players get only one true oppurtunity to go out there and get that huge contract they feel they are worth so when it comes time and they are able to feel out the market they want that oppurtunity to see what they can get. I dont know just how long Briggs has been in the league, but hypothetically if he has been in the league for lets say 5 years now, he he has one long term contract to get his money while he is in his prime. And he wants to go out there and Get the most out of that contract because he would be a man among boys in this free agent market as it stands now he would probably get the most insane contract of everyone this offseason.

Now that doesnt mean i agree with the methods hes expolring to get that contract but i respect his reasoning if that is it. I just think he could of got at it in a more professional way.

Oh ya and every consecutive year a team franchises a player doesnt it make it much more expensive?? could of swore i read that somewhere...

bearsfan_51
03-13-2007, 12:06 AM
I really don't understand how there is such an outcry for Briggs, but not for Samuel and Dwight Freeney, both of whom arguably would have made much more on the open market.

THE NFL LABOR UNION NEGOTIATED THE FRANCHISE TAG IN THEIR LABOR AGREEMENT.

It's their fault that the owners are now using it. I suggest that many of you understand exactly what all this means before you continue spewing from the mouth.

Football Fan
03-13-2007, 12:06 AM
He could also do what Branch threatened to do, play just enough games to be eligible for FA again, making them pay for him and not total production

I believe you are correct.

bearsfan_51
03-13-2007, 12:07 AM
nicely said, he should have 14-20 million guaranteed. the bears are yanking this guy around just like lovie and rivera.
Lovie got almost 5 million per year and is now one of the highest paid coaches in the league. The Bears never even offered Rivera a contract because they didn't want him back. It had absolutely nothing to do with money.

Please stop talking about **** you don't understand.

Crazy_Chris
03-13-2007, 12:23 AM
Theres an outcry for briggs here because this thread is about him lol... but i dont like what hes doing he should man up and finish it out and he should be inspired that the team would be so willing to spend that insane amount of money to keep him for only 1 year that is my opinion...but i would understand Freeney/Samuels aswell if they had the same Reasoning, I just think players like briggs should pull a Clements and put a clause in the contract so the team cant franchise them thus avoiding all the BS

blkwdw13
03-13-2007, 12:29 AM
According to Jerry (and take it for what it is worth) he said they would consider no trade offers.


I haven't heard this can you get a link to this for me.

KBear
03-13-2007, 04:59 AM
seriously shutup, i could care less if they trade briggs to the giants. im fine with drafting a linebacker. my math is fine, its not my fault you no nothing about contracts. what if he has a serious injury this is football not golf, what then smart guy? hes not getting any contract buddy is he. no team is going to touch the guy. so take your smart attitude somewhere else im talking nice and your being a smart ass because im bringing facts and your pulling bs out of your ass. he wants SECURITY. not INSECURITY. why take 7 mill when you can get more then double that.

How is 7 million not good enough security? Yes it is not 14-20 mil other guys are getting, but it is enough to live on without worring about money for a long time if at all.

yourfavestoner
03-13-2007, 05:02 AM
How is 7 million not good enough security? Yes it is not 14-20 mil other guys are getting, but it is enough to live on without worring about money for a long time if at all.

Ugh...you don't get it.

KBear
03-13-2007, 05:08 AM
I haven't heard this can you get a link to this for me.

The only thing I read him saying is that Angelo will do what is in the Bears best interests, and it was their intent that Briggs would be a Chicago Bear next year.

KBear
03-13-2007, 05:22 AM
Ugh...you don't get it.

I dont get him risking an extra 7-10 mil by signing the one year tender that says he gets 7.2 mil this year and playing a whole year without getting hurt? I do understand that every player has a short window on getting that big pay day. You do know that the Bears did offer him a long term contract last spring, and when he turned it down they told him that they were probably going to tag him.

You do know if he plays this year, he will still get his 14-20 mil guaranteed money contract next year. That is unless the Bears tag him again, in which case he will get a guaranteed 8+mil. That would be 15+mil in guaranteed money in two years, which is better then any contract he could have signed this offseason.

TacticaLion
03-13-2007, 05:58 AM
and tomorrow, on the way to the beach or whatever, he could trip, fall and tear every tendon in his knee, thus keeping him from even receiving the money from the deal the bears just offered him. then he could just like, live on his friend's sofa as you (i believe) suggested he do earlier. strangely, regular life also includes the possibility of injury.

further, you're still ignoring the point that, as kbear just suggested for the SECOND time in this thread, briggs had a contract offer earlier that he turned down. it's not like the bears are secretly laughing because they're only going to give this guy 7 million (guaranteed) for a single season.

speaking of talking out of one's rear end.From what he said (on ESPN), he loves Chicago and the fans but cannot stand the organization.

No amount of money will fix that for a player.

bearsfan_51
03-13-2007, 08:58 AM
From what he said (on ESPN), he loves Chicago and the fans but cannot stand the organization.

No amount of money will fix that for a player.

Just yesterday he said that the best case scenario is that the Bears offer him a longterm deal at market value. This is what I've been trying to say. It's all just rhetoric. He would play on the moon if they offered him a large enough signing bonus.

''That's not to say I'm going to sit out a year, but I'm prepared to do that if it comes to that,'' Briggs said. ''There are a lot of different scenarios that could happen. The best-case scenario is that the Bears offer me a long-term contract at market value.''

Yeah that really sounds like a player that can't stand to be here.

P-L
03-13-2007, 09:40 AM
*shrug* if they don't feel that whatever is offered in trade seriously helps the team, they might be willing to sit on briggs. moreso because it's unlikely he'd spend the next seven years sitting at home. eventually he'd report to get paid. i don't think it's necessarily logical, but were i an owner, and i didn't think that i was getting anything of proper value in trade offers, i would have no problem sitting on a holdout player until he was no longer able to play.
Sorry for not responding yesterday, I forgot about this thread. But I agree 100% if the Bears try and trade him. The Bears fans have made it out to be that Jerry Angelo isn't going to listen to offers for Briggs. If that is the case, then I think it is a very bad move. But, if they listen to offers and can't find anything that they like, then I'm all for them sitting on him. My point was that it makes no sense to to just sit there and do nothing. If they are firm on their stance about not meeting Briggs' contract demands, then I think they should at least look and see what is out there.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 09:48 AM
and tomorrow, on the way to the beach or whatever, he could trip, fall and tear every tendon in his knee, thus keeping him from even receiving the money from the deal the bears just offered him. then he could just like, live on his friend's sofa as you (i believe) suggested he do earlier. strangely, regular life also includes the possibility of injury.

further, you're still ignoring the point that, as kbear just suggested for the SECOND time in this thread, briggs had a contract offer earlier that he turned down. it's not like the bears are secretly laughing because they're only going to give this guy 7 million (guaranteed) for a single season.

speaking of talking out of one's rear end.
hey buddy, i tihnk you just proved my point for me you ignoramus. if a player that has a tag on him gets his knee blown out he still collects on his years salary. that money is guaranteed. where as adalius thomas gets his knees blown out he already has his $12 million signing bonus he got up front plus the 8 million he was due to receive in increments over 4 years. adalius thomas has 20 million to live on the rest of his life, lance briggs only 7 b4 taxes. if he signed with the 49ers who knows how much guaranteed money he could have gotten. yea he turned down the bears contract offer earlier in the year. obviously he didnt like the deal. MAYBE he doesnt WANT to play for the bears...this is why the franchise tag is so bush league. it needs to be abolished. so tell me smart guy what would you rather have 20 million b4 taxes or 7 million bfor taxes, right now adalius thomas has 12 million dollars from the patriots in his bank account. to do with what he wishes, lance briggs 0.. hmmm g wiLLikers i wonder why hes mad.

had that been the argument initially, this would've been a very different argument. you're absolutely right that, in that case, the money is irrelevant.

(but i believe in the glazer article he was quoted as saying something along the lines of being angry the bears wouldn't pay him? i'll have to go re-read when i have a spare minute)

you'd give up 7 million for one year to live on a buddy's couch? you think anyone, realistically, would? if the bears do nothing, he'll come back, if for no other reason than that it would be financially stupid not to.your asking the wrong person because i value being happy over anything else. like i said i doubt he has the balls to sit out a season. maybe you should go back and actually read.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 09:58 AM
I dont get him risking an extra 7-10 mil by signing the one year tender that says he gets 7.2 mil this year and playing a whole year without getting hurt? I do understand that every player has a short window on getting that big pay day. You do know that the Bears did offer him a long term contract last spring, and when he turned it down they told him that they were probably going to tag him.

You do know if he plays this year, he will still get his 14-20 mil guaranteed money contract next year. That is unless the Bears tag him again, in which case he will get a guaranteed 8+mil. That would be 15+mil in guaranteed money in two years, which is better then any contract he could have signed this offseason.
do you understand anything that i was saying lance briggs wants security. this is football there is no guarantee hes going to walk away without an injury.

Lovie got almost 5 million per year and is now one of the highest paid coaches in the league. The Bears never even offered Rivera a contract because they didn't want him back. It had absolutely nothing to do with money.

Please stop talking about **** you don't understand.what are you kidding me? they didnt want him back after he produced one of the top defenses in the league? are you serious. wow. :rolleyes: in case you werent paying attention to lovies contract situation they were trying to nickel and dime him b4 they signed him to that deal buddy. i tihnk your the one that needs to stop talking.

my future me
03-13-2007, 10:41 AM
I understand the need for an NFL player to feel secure in terms of money and location, but don't be naive in thinking that if accepts this tender he won't take out an insurance policy based on a deal such as Thomas or Clements.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 10:41 AM
From what he said (on ESPN), he loves Chicago and the fans but cannot stand the organization.

No amount of money will fix that for a player.
this is common knowledge i assumed you knew this already this came out the first day when he said he wanted to be traded.

had that been the argument initially, this would've been a very different argument. you're absolutely right that, in that case, the money is irrelevant.

(but i believe in the glazer article he was quoted as saying something along the lines of being angry the bears wouldn't pay him? i'll have to go re-read when i have a spare minute)

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 10:51 AM
I understand the need for an NFL player to feel secure in terms of money and location, but don't be naive in thinking that if accepts this tender he won't take out an insurance policy based on a deal such as Thomas or Clements.
im sure he would, but a 20 million dollar insurance policy would be alot of money why pay that. im not sure of the costs of policys like that but some of my family members have 10 million dollar life insurance policys and it costs 4300 a month. idk the cost of a policys like the one briggs would have to take out but why should he have too.

PACKmanN
03-13-2007, 10:58 AM
Spikes for Briggs?

KBear
03-13-2007, 11:03 AM
do you understand anything that i was saying lance briggs wants security. this is football there is no guarantee hes going to walk away without an injury.

I understood you. I dont think you understand how much money 7.2 million is though. Thats plenty of security. And all he has to risk is going one year with out suffering a career ending injury. Its actually kind of rare for a player to have a career ending injury. So odds are in his favor. And if gets tagged again next year he is looking at over 15 million in gauranteed money in two years. Which is better then he could have gotten in the free agent market. In two more years Tommy Harris will become a free agent, and yep he has the same agent, which means he will probably get tagged, and Briggs is then free to go collect another $20 million in gauranteed money somewhere else.

And dont forget, he can probably make more on endorsement deals in Chicago then he could almost anywhere besides New York.

KBear
03-13-2007, 11:07 AM
I understand the need for an NFL player to feel secure in terms of money and location, but don't be naive in thinking that if accepts this tender he won't take out an insurance policy based on a deal such as Thomas or Clements.

Funny thing you should bring up insurance. If you take out insurance, you are basically betting agaisnt yourself while the insurance company is betting on you.

If Briggs does get insurance, he is basically betting that he is going to get injured. Though by signing the one year tender, he is betting that he wont get injured. I guess its not bad to hedge your bets.

KBear
03-13-2007, 11:10 AM
in case you werent paying attention to lovies contract situation they were trying to nickel and dime him b4 they signed him to that deal buddy. i tihnk your the one that needs to stop talking.

Actually that was just his agent reporting false numbers. They were not as far apart as the media suggested. Besides, Lovie wanted to be the Bears coach, and the Bears wanted him to be their coach. Every new it was going to get done. The media made a bigger deal out of it then what it was.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 11:11 AM
I understood you. I dont think you understand how much money 7.2 million is though. Thats plenty of security. And all he has to risk is going one year with out suffering a career ending injury. Its actually kind of rare for a player to have a career ending injury. So odds are in his favor. And if gets tagged again next year he is looking at over 15 million in gauranteed money in two years. Which is better then he could have gotten in the free agent market. In two more years Tommy Harris will become a free agent, and yep he has the same agent, which means he will probably get tagged, and Briggs is then free to go collect another $20 million in gauranteed money somewhere else.

And dont forget, he can probably make more on endorsement deals in Chicago then he could almost anywhere besides New York.bro i know how much 7.2 million is i grew up in greenwhich ct. 7.2 million is not enough money to live on the rest of your life if you want to live extravagantly. he is in the position to do so. so why not cash in. im sick of people saying players only care about the money. he has the talent and he worked hard all his life to get here he DESERVES his payday.

KBear
03-13-2007, 11:28 AM
bro i know how much 7.2 million is i grew up in greenwhich ct. 7.2 million is not enough money to live on the rest of your life if you want to live extravagantly. he is in the position to do so. so why not cash in. im sick of people saying players only care about the money. he has the talent and he worked hard all his life to get here he DESERVES his payday.

Then what is enough money? Is $20 mil enough? Is that the magic number. Once someone reaches 20 mil then everything will be ok. If all he is after is to "live extravagantly" then it is all about greed. 7.2 million is more then enough money to live out you life and never really worry about money, that is as long as you dont just waste it. Then I'm not sure 20 million would do either.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 11:30 AM
Then what is enough money? Is $20 mil enough? Is that the magic number. Once someone reaches 20 mil then everything will be ok. If all he is after is to "live extravagantly" then it is all about greed. 7.2 million is more then enough money to live out you life and never really worry about money, that is as long as you dont just waste it. Then I'm not sure 20 million would do either.

your seriously missing the point.

SFbear
03-13-2007, 11:51 AM
what are you kidding me? they didnt want him back after he produced one of the top defenses in the league? are you serious. wow. :rolleyes: in case you werent paying attention to lovies contract situation they were trying to nickel and dime him b4 they signed him to that deal buddy. i tihnk your the one that needs to stop talking.

Youre very misinformed about the Lovie and Rivera situations. The "nickel and diming" of Lovie was a media creation. The two sides were in negotiation the entire time. Of course the Bears are going to offer Lovie less than he wants. Its a business negotiation. Lovie wanted 5 millions he got a little less than that. Negotiation successful with both sides happy.

The Rivera's contract was up and Lovie Smith didnt want him back. It was his decision to go with Babich, someone who has coached with Lovie in the Tampa 2 scheme since Lovie was in Tampa. Lovie Smith is the defensive guru in Chicago and if the rest of the league didnt already know this then why hasnt Rivera gotten a HC job after interviewing with more than 8 organizations over the last two years.

With the Briggs situation, you don't seem to be acknowledging that Briggs was offered a long term contract that would have made him(at the time) the 2nd highest paid player on our team. He wanted to be paid higher than Urlacher and that wasnt going to happen because the Bears believe it or not value the former DPOY more than Briggs. He has the long term deal or the franchise tender to choose from. If he doesnt like his choices he should complain to the player's union.

bearsfan_51
03-13-2007, 11:53 AM
what are you kidding me? they didnt want him back after he produced one of the top defenses in the league? are you serious. wow. :rolleyes: in case you werent paying attention to lovies contract situation they were trying to nickel and dime him b4 they signed him to that deal buddy. i tihnk your the one that needs to stop talking.
Yes, they did not want Rivera back. He even stated as much, that it wasn't about money, that he would have liked to come back, but the Bears organization wanted to go another way. No contract was ever offered, so there is no possible way for them to "nickel and dime" him.

As for Lovie's contract, how do you know this? Were you there during Lovie's contract negotiations? Has Lovie ever publicly stated anything about it? How about the Bears front office? Have you read anything that is of primary evidence or are you merely accepting whatever the media is spoon-feeding you?

You speak in these finalities with absolutely no evidenciary support.

bearsfan_51
03-13-2007, 11:55 AM
bro i know how much 7.2 million is i grew up in greenwhich ct. 7.2 million is not enough money to live on the rest of your life if you want to live extravagantly. he is in the position to do so. so why not cash in. im sick of people saying players only care about the money. he has the talent and he worked hard all his life to get here he DESERVES his payday.
1)Nobody that grew up in Greenwich, CT should ever be legally allowed to say "bro". Sorry. Not gonna happen.

2)He is not in a position to cash in, obviously. If he was, he would sign a big contract. The Bears own his rights. It's not that complicated.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2007, 11:57 AM
Why do we still care?

Seriously, this is being analyzed way too much.

he'll throw his hissy fit, Chicago will be open to a trade only if they get something real good in return.

If not, he'll have his choice of making 7 million, or not making 7 million...



...which one do you think he'll choose? :rolleyes:

bearsfan_51
03-13-2007, 11:59 AM
Why do we still care?

Seriously, this is being analyzed way too much.

he'll throw his hissy fit, Chicago will be open to a trade only if they get something real good in return.

If not, he'll have his choice of making 7 million, or not making 7 million...



...which one do you think he'll choose? :rolleyes:
Becuase your fellow Giants fan won't let it die because he wants Briggs on the Giants.

Bearsfan123
03-13-2007, 12:02 PM
Why do we still care?

Seriously, this is being analyzed way too much.

he'll throw his hissy fit, Chicago will be open to a trade only if they get something real good in return.

If not, he'll have his choice of making 7 million, or not making 7 million...



...which one do you think he'll choose? :rolleyes:



i agree........

bigbluedefense
03-13-2007, 12:07 PM
Becuase your fellow Giants fan won't let it die because he wants Briggs on the Giants.

Briggs won't work in our system. He needs to stay in the Cover 2, hes built for it.

SFbear
03-13-2007, 12:09 PM
Yeah but you know when Coughlin gets fired, youre going to hire a Tampa 2 coach. =) Dont fight it. It's inevitable.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 12:11 PM
Becuase your fellow Giants fan won't let it die because he wants Briggs on the Giants.

holy **** im notdebating on weather or not he will sit or not. he doesnt have the balls to sit. im saying its not right he bears tagged him bottom line. tagging a player is bush. what the hell do you know about greenwhich, you ever been there? i love how people hate on people with money. its pathetic. read my posts over. im stating what he rather take 20 mill or 7 mill.

Briggs won't work in our system. He needs to stay in the Cover 2, hes built for it.yea hes the perfect cover 2 lb.

bigbluedefense
03-13-2007, 12:14 PM
Yeah but you know when Coughlin gets fired, youre going to hire a Tampa 2 coach. =) Dont fight it. It's inevitable.

I can't tell you how worried I was when Ron Rivera couldve been our next HC. I know BF51 and Shiver were really pulling for it to happen too, lol.

LonghornsLegend
03-13-2007, 12:45 PM
why dont the bears just trade him? if he sits, thats one player your short of, makes your defense not as strong as it was before, so why not take a early 2nd straight up for him, its alot of good LB's left there, who will be younger and cheaper....


i dont understand keepingn someone who doesnt want to play, if he does play, what if he decides to play half ass, and blow coverages, who knows, but they should just get something for him

niel89
03-13-2007, 12:47 PM
Why do we still care?

Seriously, this is being analyzed way too much.

he'll throw his hissy fit, Chicago will be open to a trade only if they get something real good in return.

If not, he'll have his choice of making 7 million, or not making 7 million...



...which one do you think he'll choose? :rolleyes:

well put (ten)

Geo
03-13-2007, 03:44 PM
Briggs is scheduled to appear (in studio?) for this afternoon's Sportscenter, for those interested.

Hurricane Ditka
03-13-2007, 04:01 PM
why dont the bears just trade him? if he sits, thats one player your short of, makes your defense not as strong as it was before, so why not take a early 2nd straight up for him, its alot of good LB's left there, who will be younger and cheaper....


i dont understand keepingn someone who doesnt want to play, if he does play, what if he decides to play half ass, and blow coverages, who knows, but they should just get something for him
Briggs is an elite player, he won't be traded for an early second round pick

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 05:04 PM
briggs is talking on espn

Damix
03-13-2007, 05:08 PM
Not a bad interview, I'm sure Drew was there telling him what to say though

KBear
03-13-2007, 05:11 PM
why dont the bears just trade him?

the Bears cant actively try to trade him. Another team needs to inquire about him and they can try to offer the Bears something other then the two first round picks the Bears would be owed.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 05:11 PM
Not a bad interview, I'm sure Drew was there telling him what to say though
yea, briggs was confirming my points throughout the whole interview.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 05:12 PM
the Bears cant actively try to trade him. Another team needs to inquire about him and they can try to offer the Bears something other then the two first round picks the Bears would be owed.whats the bears cap space look like?

neko4
03-13-2007, 05:18 PM
http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t204/Ninteysix/lancebriggs07.jpg
Bruhahahaha, I can dream cant i?

KBear
03-13-2007, 05:20 PM
whats the bears cap space look like?

If you take into account 7mil for Briggs, it should just be over $10 mil in cap room.

then there 1-2 mil they will save for the season to use if to sign a free agent if needed because of injuries. and then there is the 3 mil or so they will need to sign their rookies. So basically they have around 5 mil to spend of free agents this year. And if they want to resign Ruben Brown and save money to use next offseasonto resign their own players, bascially they really dont have that much money to sign other free agents.

BlindSite
03-13-2007, 06:39 PM
Say what you will about him being a cover 2 linebacker he'd be a beast on the weakside.

LonghornsLegend
03-14-2007, 12:15 AM
i think he fits nicely with the saints...and gives them room to make more happen on draft day, just depends on how pricey it gets for them, id like to see him go after him though

Bearsfan123
03-14-2007, 08:56 AM
i think he fits nicely with the saints...and gives them room to make more happen on draft day, just depends on how pricey it gets for them, id like to see him go after him though

that doesnt make sense. To send him to a rival?

bearsfan_51
03-14-2007, 09:51 AM
that doesnt make sense. To send him to a rival?

The Saints aren't our rival.

P-L
03-14-2007, 10:29 AM
Briggs is an elite player, he won't be traded for an early second round pick
What is your definition of elite? If you feel that Briggs is an elite player do you feel that guys like Matt Hasselback, Terrence Newman, Larry Fitzgerald, and Alge Crumpler are also elite?

Bearsfan123
03-14-2007, 11:13 AM
The Saints aren't our rival.

they are a playoff caliber team. Why would we send him to someone we will most likely meet in the playoffs?

bearsfan_51
03-14-2007, 11:14 AM
they are a playoff caliber team. Why would we send him to someone we will most likely meet in the playoffs?
75% of all teams are playoff caliber teams.

Bearsfan123
03-14-2007, 11:20 AM
75% of all teams are playoff caliber teams.

i concede. Theres no argument against it, but after playing them in the NFC Championship game i would figure we wouldnt want to help them get better.