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lordquas
01-07-2010, 12:34 PM
just wondering who fellow Ravens fans want to see Baltimore draft.

FIRST ROUND: WR Golden Tate or WR Arrelious Benn
SECOND ROUND: CB Donovan Warren or CB Crezdon Butler.
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BmoreBlackByrdz
01-07-2010, 01:43 PM
I would love Benn, Tate, or even LaFell in the first round. I love this years WR depth in the draft.

coordinator0
01-07-2010, 01:56 PM
There's a lot of players that I would like in the first round. Bryant, Benn, Williams, LaFell, Tate, and Gresham are the offensive weapons that would fit here. The second round is a bit harder to project at this point, but perhaps a TE or WR (whichever way we don't go in the first assuming we do go for an offensive player), CB, UT, 5-technique, and perhaps a safety. We don't know what Reed's going to do (I think he's not going to retire) and Landry is a FA after this season (or RFA, not sure with the uncapped situation). Zbi has shown promise but if both Reed and Landry are gone I think safety becomes a big need. I wouldn't trust Haruki to start and we would need the depth anyways.

EdReedUnstoppable
01-07-2010, 05:17 PM
Rd 1: Dez Bryant
Rd 2: Mardy Gilyard


I know this is crazy but we need a future at the WR position and as of right now we have zero WR's under contract for next year.

Now with that said we badly need a DLineman who can get consistent pressure on the QB, and we need a solid CB. We also need a RG but thats a need to be addressed in free agency or later in the draft.

BmoreBlackByrdz
01-07-2010, 05:31 PM
Rd 1: Dez Bryant
Rd 2: Mardy Gilyard


I know this is crazy but we need a future at the WR position and as of right now we have zero WR's under contract for next year.

Now with that said we badly need a DLineman who can get consistent pressure on the QB, and we need a solid CB. We also need a RG but thats a need to be addressed in free agency or later in the draft.

I would have no problem taking two WR's in the first round, cause like you said, we have no future there but there is no way Dez Bryant falls to us. He'll go top 10, top 15 at worst.

But I would love to take Golden Tate or Benn in the first, then take Gilyard in the second, but I can't see Ozzie doing it. Even though he's all about helping Joe Flacco, he fails to realize that Joe needs good weapons just as much as he needs a good o-line.

It's interesting though, when you think about it, our WR corp could look totally different come next year, expect to see Malcom Floyd in a Raven's uni next year. We probably can't afford Vincent Jackson, so I think Cameron would love Floyd. At 6-5, I would love to see Flacco just lobbin it up to him. Either way, we are defenetily going to revamp the position, because they are really holding Joe Flacco's development back.

EdReedUnstoppable
01-07-2010, 05:48 PM
I would have no problem taking two WR's in the first round, cause like you said, we have no future there but there is no way Dez Bryant falls to us. He'll go top 10, top 15 at worst.

But I would love to take Golden Tate or Benn in the first, then take Gilyard in the second, but I can't see Ozzie doing it. Even though he's all about helping Joe Flacco, he fails to realize that Joe needs good weapons just as much as he needs a good o-line.

It's interesting though, when you think about it, our WR corp could look totally different come next year, expect to see Malcom Floyd in a Raven's uni next year. We probably can't afford Vincent Jackson, so I think Cameron would love Floyd. At 6-5, I would love to see Flacco just lobbin it up to him. Either way, we are defenetily going to revamp the position, because they are really holding Joe Flacco's development back.

Yeah I know Dez will be gone but I'm still gonna hold out hope until he goes on draft day. As for Malcolm Floyd I like it, and if by some miracle the Raiders let him go I'd take a very hard look at Chaz Schilens, but I think he is RFA so he wont be going anywhere.

BmoreBlackByrdz
01-07-2010, 06:52 PM
Yeah I know Dez will be gone but I'm still gonna hold out hope until he goes on draft day. As for Malcolm Floyd I like it, and if by some miracle the Raiders let him go I'd take a very hard look at Chaz Schilens, but I think he is RFA so he wont be going anywhere.

true, I love Schilens. It's hard to perform that well for a team like the Raiders, imagine how good he' be for the Ravens. A classier organization w/ better coaching and a much better QB throwing him the ball.

coordinator0
01-07-2010, 07:19 PM
It's interesting though, when you think about it, our WR corp could look totally different come next year, expect to see Malcom Floyd in a Raven's uni next year. We probably can't afford Vincent Jackson, so I think Cameron would love Floyd. At 6-5, I would love to see Flacco just lobbin it up to him. Either way, we are defenetily going to revamp the position, because they are really holding Joe Flacco's development back.

Off topic, but I heard there were some rumors that the Bills were interested in Cameron (link below). I would be very happy if they were to take Cameron away. Maybe he would take Mattison with him...

http://masnsports.com/2010/01/cam-drawing-attention-from-bil.html

dcarey20
01-08-2010, 01:00 AM
Yeah I'd absolutely love a lower tier FA signing such as a Malcolm Floyd. Who knows what the future holds for Mason/Clayton/Washington (at least as Ravens), but WR is undoubtedly our biggest need. With Foxworth's play improving towards the end of this year, and the emergence of Webb (albeit his status for next year could be up in the air), it looks like we're set at least starter wise.

Ideally (and realistically), I'd go for a guy such as a Malcolm Floyd or Antonio Bryant, and then go for a guy like Lafell in the first round.

ChefMike
01-08-2010, 07:59 AM
would and should we entertain the thought of trading for Brandon Marshall? I mean if we could get him for a 2nd rd or a 3rd rd pick and draft a CB in the 1st or a DB in general.

I would love to see someone like Marshall in a offense that is a bit more wide open then in Denver and have Mason as the #2 Clayton is not consistent enough for me.

dcarey20
01-08-2010, 12:50 PM
would and should we entertain the thought of trading for Brandon Marshall? I mean if we could get him for a 2nd rd or a 3rd rd pick and draft a CB in the 1st or a DB in general.

I would love to see someone like Marshall in a offense that is a bit more wide open then in Denver and have Mason as the #2 Clayton is not consistent enough for me.

I doubt we'd get Marshall for a 2nd or a 3rd. More like a 1st and 2nd IMO.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
01-08-2010, 01:36 PM
I doubt we'd get Marshall for a 2nd or a 3rd. More like a 1st and 2nd IMO.

I don't see anyone giving up a 1st and a 2nd for him. A 1st and 3rd maybe but I still think with all his ******** he will go for less.

coordinator0
01-08-2010, 03:07 PM
I really doubt that our team will go after Marshall (especially in a trade involving a first round draft pick). Should we? Absolutely, but it doesn't go along with what we've been doing.

However, this could change if Ozzie leaves. Their current AD might not be there much longer at it would be a prime opportunity for Newsome to go back to Alabama. I'm not hoping for this move, but we have a guy that is nearly ready (if he isn't already) to step into his role. DeCosta turned down an interview with SEA to become their next GM today so I think he really wants to stay with the organization.

Hound
01-08-2010, 05:02 PM
Rd 1: Dez Bryant
Rd 2: Mardy Gilyard


I know this is crazy but we need a future at the WR position and as of right now we have zero WR's under contract for next year.

Now with that said we badly need a DLineman who can get consistent pressure on the QB, and we need a solid CB. We also need a RG but thats a need to be addressed in free agency or later in the draft.

Taking WR's in the first two rounds is not a good idea at all. Although Clayton and Mason are most likely gone, you will still have DWill and Kelley Washington. The FO will sign a WR for sure (Jason Avant or Floyd hopefully) and realistically could make a trade (Boldin or Marshall hopefully).

How do you figure we need a RG at all? Grubbs is a pro bowler on the left side and since Yanda has stepped in at RG he has performed as good as ANYONE in the League. They need to get him signed long term. And although I dont want to see Chester start, he still provides good depth.

coordinator0
01-08-2010, 05:37 PM
Taking WR's in the first two rounds is not a good idea at all. Although Clayton and Mason are most likely gone, you will still have DWill and Kelley Washington. The FO will sign a WR for sure (Jason Avant or Floyd hopefully) and realistically could make a trade (Boldin or Marshall hopefully).

How do you figure we need a RG at all? Grubbs is a pro bowler on the left side and since Yanda has stepped in at RG he has performed as good as ANYONE in the League. They need to get him signed long term. And although I dont want to see Chester start, he still provides good depth.

Actually we might not still have D-Will and Washington. Both are also UFA after this season (not sure how the uncapped year affects that though). Besides, we can't really rely on either of them anyways. Williams has been our best receiver at getting separation when he's in, but it hasn't translated into a whole lot of production. Washington has been pretty good at getting first downs, but Flacco doesn't seem to look his way often (nor do we use many 3 WR sets). I expect both of them back (at least Washington), but it doesn't make me feel any better about our WR situation.

SeanTaylorRIP
01-08-2010, 05:38 PM
Taking WR's in the first two rounds is not a good idea at all. Although Clayton and Mason are most likely gone, you will still have DWill and Kelley Washington. The FO will sign a WR for sure (Jason Avant or Floyd hopefully) and realistically could make a trade (Boldin or Marshall hopefully).

How do you figure we need a RG at all? Grubbs is a pro bowler on the left side and since Yanda has stepped in at RG he has performed as good as ANYONE in the League. They need to get him signed long term. And although I dont want to see Chester start, he still provides good depth.

If you are trading for Boldin or Marshall it's for your first day picks. I think last years draft class showed the financial and longterm advantages of taking a WR in the first round with guys like Hakeem Nicks, Jeremy Maclin, Percy Harvin, etc. Look at the Giants. Everyone was panicked about getting a big name yet now they saved future draft picks and money instead of going after someone like Braylon and now have a future #1 WR in Nicks and saw some of their young talent develop(Smith, Manningham). I think even if Mason retires if you pair Golden Tate with Demetrius Williams, Kelly Washington, and a FA signing you are good at WR.

Hound
01-08-2010, 06:58 PM
Actually we might not still have D-Will and Washington. Both are also UFA after this season (not sure how the uncapped year affects that though). Besides, we can't really rely on either of them anyways. Williams has been our best receiver at getting separation when he's in, but it hasn't translated into a whole lot of production. Washington has been pretty good at getting first downs, but Flacco doesn't seem to look his way often (nor do we use many 3 WR sets). I expect both of them back (at least Washington), but it doesn't make me feel any better about our WR situation.

They are RFA's assuming an uncapped season. I think I worded my first response wrong, I didnt mean you dont take a WR in the first two rounds, I meant you dont take WR's with both your first and second round picks. I wouldnt want to see Williams or Washington start (although Id like to see DWill get more time) but I think they have got to get a WR via free agency or trade. And yes, I realize that to get Boldin or Marshall will cost a first day pick, But I dont think it will take a first round pick like most people think. These guys want out of there respective situations, and I think there teams are going to be forced to take less than market value IMO.

EdReedUnstoppable
01-08-2010, 07:46 PM
Taking WR's in the first two rounds is not a good idea at all. Although Clayton and Mason are most likely gone, you will still have DWill and Kelley Washington. The FO will sign a WR for sure (Jason Avant or Floyd hopefully) and realistically could make a trade (Boldin or Marshall hopefully).

How do you figure we need a RG at all? Grubbs is a pro bowler on the left side and since Yanda has stepped in at RG he has performed as good as ANYONE in the League. They need to get him signed long term. And although I dont want to see Chester start, he still provides good depth.

First off what does Grubbs have to do with the RG position? Then I'd say Yanda has been very good and I like him, bu he isn't under a long-term contract and if he keep performing this way he is gonna want a big one. At some point we may have to make a choice between Grubbs and Yanda, who do you think we keep? Grubbs IMO, so we need to get a young guy in hee who is under contract for a few years at a cheap rate to be able to keep Grubbs, and Gaither on their huge new deals both will want. As for Chester I'm not high on him at all I don't even like referring to him as good depth, he is slightly below average at best. We need to start stock piling some actual depth at all OL positions, not just RG but to me RG is the most glaring of nees for a future at it.

coordinator0
01-08-2010, 08:09 PM
Chester's a good blocking TE :/.

Hound
01-08-2010, 08:24 PM
Yanda is a RFA at the end of the year. He hasnt done enough to warrant a big contract yet. I say they will lock him up at a decent deal this offseason.

But ya, if Im choosing between Yanda or Grubbs. Good thing about Grubbs though is that we got him under contract for two more years. (ufa in 2012)

ChefMike
01-13-2010, 02:03 PM
I would like us to add George Selvie in the 2nd Rd. He seems to fit our mold and would be a perfect person to improve our pass rush.

In the 1st I would like to see us either trade it for Boldin or try and move up somehow to get Dez Bryant. I don't see Golden Tate being the guy we need, I see him being another Mark Clayton.

coordinator0
01-13-2010, 06:55 PM
Selvie isn't very good at all. He got shut down by NFL-caliber talent in college and his only good year was his sophomore one. I highly doubt that he'd be able to improve our pass rush at all.

53 for 60
01-14-2010, 12:39 AM
Round 1) Terrence Cody DT Alabama
Round 2) Donovan Warren CB Michigan

Maybe I'm the only one, but I'd like to see us switch back to a 4-3. I feel like our personnel fits much better in that scheme. Suggs had a great start to his career while playing with his hand in the dirt. Pryce also had his best year in 2006, 4-3 was our base defense, getting 13 sacks.

IMO, Kruger, McClain, and Barnes also all fit better as 4-3 ends. In addition Gooden and Ellerbe played all 3 LB positions in college.

I've seen the scouting reports about how Terrence Cody can only play in a 3-4, but I don't agree. Pair him with Ngata and you have the a replica of Sam Adams and Tony Siragusa. We have guys like Gregg and Bannan to use in a rotation before Cody establishes himself.

Warren has the potential to be a shut down corner. Playing for several different coaching staffs combined with Michigan falling off the national radar takes away from Warren's luster. He has a comparable style to Darrell Revis with his physical play, and has very fluid hips.

Get these two and the defense is restored to a perrenial dominant power in this league.

Ravens1991
01-14-2010, 02:27 AM
I wouldnt mind d-line help at all. IDC if its a rusher or a DT. who knows but I see us trying to going to a 43, Harbaugh is a 43 guy. I can see our front 7 looking like this in 3 years....

DE-Suggs
DT-Ngata
DT-Edwards
DE-Kruger
WLB-Gooden
MLB-Ellerbe
SLB-draft pick

I could see Ellerbe being SLB, I could also see Edwards being thrown out of starting 4 a draft pick.




just throwing a name out there, how about Riley Cooper WR from Florida.

lordquas
01-14-2010, 10:43 AM
Don't fix it if it's not broken.
Why switch a defense thats been doing work in a 3-4?
Ngata is perfect for a 3-4, as is Terrell Suggs.

PS Drafting Terrence Cody in the 1st round would be the stupidest ******* thing ever

Ravens1991
01-14-2010, 11:43 AM
I agree I want a34 as well but it looks like we will transition to a 43. ALso Cody at NT and Ngata at DE would be nasty but I dont see it happening

dcarey20
01-14-2010, 12:25 PM
I would be pretty upset if we drafted Terrence Cody over a WR

Ravens1991
01-14-2010, 12:30 PM
I think we will target that TE from Oklahoma I forget his exact name but knowing how we have been looking at a TE for the past couple years nad he is a talented guy who may be at our late 1st pick due to his injury I see us targeting him.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
01-14-2010, 12:31 PM
I would be pretty upset if we drafted Terrence Cody over a WR

To be honest I am not even interested in drafting a first round WR. I want to go in FA and trade for someone. I think we are good enough to win a championship with an already proven deep threat. I don't want to wait a couple years to develop a guy. By then Ray Lewis and Reed could be gone. I say trade for a WR and draft a pass rusher.

53 for 60
01-14-2010, 01:27 PM
To be honest I am not even interested in drafting a first round WR. I want to go in FA and trade for someone. I think we are good enough to win a championship with an already proven deep threat. I don't want to wait a couple years to develop a guy. By then Ray Lewis and Reed could be gone. I say trade for a WR and draft a pass rusher.

I agree. The way I look at it, Mason and Washington will be back. In addition Marcus Smith will be on the team as he is young and is a great special teamer. Therefore, sign one wideout in FA land draft a guy in the 3rd/4th.

My only problem with a drafting a pass rusher in the first couple of rounds is where do you play him? We have two starters in Johnson and Suggs, and you have Kruger and Barnes getting increased playing time towards the end of the season.

Drafting a big DT basically allows you to play with essentially 2 NT. Cody and Ngata draw double teams and therefore you have an offensive tackle on one d-end, and a tight end on the other d-end. This is exactly what the 2000 defense did and it leaves running backs on blitzing linebackers.

BmoreBlackByrdz
01-14-2010, 05:10 PM
I agree. The way I look at it, Mason and Washington will be back. In addition Marcus Smith will be on the team as he is young and is a great special teamer. Therefore, sign one wideout in FA land draft a guy in the 3rd/4th.

My only problem with a drafting a pass rusher in the first couple of rounds is where do you play him? We have two starters in Johnson and Suggs, and you have Kruger and Barnes getting increased playing time towards the end of the season.

Drafting a big DT basically allows you to play with essentially 2 NT. Cody and Ngata draw double teams and therefore you have an offensive tackle on one d-end, and a tight end on the other d-end. This is exactly what the 2000 defense did and it leaves running backs on blitzing linebackers.

I think Mason is a sure-bet to retire once our season is over. I don't think he'll be back for next year. welcome to NFLDC :)

GoRavens
01-14-2010, 06:37 PM
Greetings fellow Ravens fans!

First 2 draft picks?
- Baltimore's biggest needs are.
Definitely #1.) Receiver
#2.) Cornerback
- Mason will retire, Washington and Clayton might get re-signed? The Ravens need explosive targets for Flacco to progress.

- 1ST ROUND: Golden Tate would be ideal. The man's a gamer, and comes to play every week. He's tough, quick, and doesn't go down without a fight. Tate is fast enough to go deep, but makes a living with his short, explosive routes. (very similar to Wes Welker)
- 2ND ROUND: Donovan Warren would be perfect in the 2nd round, but I just don't see him falling that far. Trevard Lindley will likely still be available, and it would be wise to pick him up. Lindley is one of the most physical corners in this years draft. He's smart, possesses great quickness, and makes plays all over the field. Lindley paired up with Ladarius Webb would an awesome combo in years to come!

53 for 60
01-14-2010, 11:16 PM
I think Mason is a sure-bet to retire once our season is over. I don't think he'll be back for next year. welcome to NFLDC :)

Thanks for the welcome. I understand your opinion, but Mason was pretty serious last year about his retirement too. You really think its a sure thing? Im thinking more like 50-50.

I just can't see him leaving when this team is clearly on the rise with a developing qb.

ChefMike
01-18-2010, 10:50 AM
I think Mason will be back for one more season. He will need to be the #2 target if we are going to make the super bowl. We need a #1 target like a Boldin or a Marshall and have Washington as a 3rd WR. Draft another DB with Reed 50/50 on returning we need to start thinking about DB's.

Losing that edge on Defense this season has been tough I think we need to keep an eye on that...

Hines
01-18-2010, 12:50 PM
I read that Mason is 60/40 on retiring.

BmoreBlackByrdz
01-18-2010, 01:01 PM
well, we officially have the 25th overall pick in the 2010 Draft!

and my thought on Mason is that he's as good as gone. I think Ed Reed however, may be back, but if not. I'm fine with Nakamura and Zbikowski competing for that job

GoRavens
01-18-2010, 01:51 PM
Nakamura isn't starting material..
If Reed retires this year (which I doubt he will), he should be classy and announce it before the draft. In that case, Baltimore would need to draft another ballhawk type safety..
- Nate Allen, Van Eskridge, and Deunta Williams would be awesome later round pickups that could fit in nicely.

Ravens1991
01-18-2010, 02:16 PM
I really don't want to draft another S. Zbi played great when he got time this season. He wont be a Ed Reed but he will play fine.

coordinator0
01-18-2010, 02:32 PM
Nakamura isn't starting material..
If Reed retires this year (which I doubt he will), he should be classy and announce it before the draft. In that case, Baltimore would need to draft another ballhawk type safety..
- Nate Allen, Van Eskridge, and Deunta Williams would be awesome later round pickups that could fit in nicely.

Nate Allen won't be a later round pick. He's going in the second at the latest.

GoRavens
02-07-2010, 08:19 PM
1st. Golden Tate: Big play, explosive playmaker that Flacco desperately needs.
2nd. Alex Carrington: Freak athlete that's perfect for the Ravens defense. He helps out an older defensive line and replaces Pryce.
3rd. Jordan Shipley: getting 2 receivers in the first 2 rounds ensures more weapons for Flacco. Shipley is NFL ready, and my personal favorite prospect. He's underrated, but he's fast, he works hard, and he has great hands. Golden Tate and Jordan Shipley would be amazing

1WR: Derrick Mason
2WR: Golden Tate
3WR: Jordan Shipley
4WR: Kelly Washington

mikedoobie
02-14-2010, 01:05 AM
After reading the thread thought id throw my two cents in.

Even though our need for a Wr there is we do not draft by need. When looking at where the depth is in the draft and where i believe bpa will be i think we must look at the DL talent in rd.1. If we are going to stay primarily 34 or 43 i think we should take advantage of the depth in the 1st round.

There is great depth at both CB and WR in rounds 2 and 3.. we know the type of talent you can get in both rounds (ex Webb). Yes its more risky but that is where the value is

if i were to dream out my fav draft according to who i think may be ther because of depth it would be:

1st) Dan Williams, Brian Price or Jared Odrick...all different players, Williams more stout NT type (would help in a 34 or 43), Price is a penetrating force in the middle (more effective in a 43), Odrick all around DL who needs to be more stout (ideal 5 tech, capable 3 tech.). Hopefully one is there, probability says there wont, but things always seem to happen.

2nd and 3rd) WR, there is a plethora of talented guys and i am positive we will get someone in FA and i think its someone least expected, but a guy like Antonio Bryant, Floyd, Avant are on the radar as of now..but in the draft we will possibly be able to look at these guys in the 2nd to 3rd range: Lafell, Williams, Damaryius Thomas, Gilyard, Decker, Briscoe, Denario Alexander, Shipley, Cooper, Jeremy Willliams, Andre Roberts, Mike Williams...the list goes on some could go high 2nd some could be there in the 4th..the depth is there at this point.
at CB it is much of the same and in my eyes even better talent with guys like: Robinson, Cox, Franks, Kareem Jackson, Kyle Wilson, Jerome Murphy, Donavon Warren, Trevard Lindley, Amari Spivey, Brandon Ghee, Javier Arenas, Devin McCourty, Sydquan Thompson, AOA, Verner and more..again all could go early 2nd to 4th rounds and even more talent and potential.

Obvious all this could change and get much clearer come draft day but the depth at DL in the first will make someone available for us and the depth at CB and Wr from rounds 2 to 4 will make someone available.

just my two cents

Ravens1991
02-14-2010, 02:18 PM
Anyone know when the comp picks are coming out? I think we could probably get a couple of high picks w/ Brown and Scott leaving.

dcarey20
02-14-2010, 02:24 PM
1st. Golden Tate: Big play, explosive playmaker that Flacco desperately needs.
2nd. Alex Carrington: Freak athlete that's perfect for the Ravens defense. He helps out an older defensive line and replaces Pryce.
3rd. Jordan Shipley: getting 2 receivers in the first 2 rounds ensures more weapons for Flacco. Shipley is NFL ready, and my personal favorite prospect. He's underrated, but he's fast, he works hard, and he has great hands. Golden Tate and Jordan Shipley would be amazing

1WR: Derrick Mason
2WR: Golden Tate
3WR: Jordan Shipley
4WR: Kelly Washington

Barring a horrific showing at the combine, there's no way Jordan Shipley is there in the 3rd. He's an early 2nd round guy.

ChefMike
02-17-2010, 12:11 PM
Not in the 1st 2 rounds but I think in the 3rd Myron Rolle would be a great pick up for us. I think he would fit the mold of a Raven and has intangibles that could make him great for us.