Peyton Manning wins AP MVP award

[Scotty D]

Per ESPN bottomline
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/01/09/sports/AP-FBN-NFL-MVP.html

His fourth MVP

[Bigburt63]

The voters for this award should be stripped of their privilege. 0 votes for Chris Johnson after he became only the 6th player to rush for 2000 yards and broke the yards from scrimmage record......0 votes. That is ******* stupid.

[Vox Populi]

The voters for this award should be stripped of their privilege. 0 votes for Chris Johnson after he became only the 6th player to rush for 2000 yards and broke the yards from scrimmage record......0 votes. That is ******* stupid.

8-8, that is all.

[AntoinCD]

It's most valueable player not most valueable player with a winning record. I have no problems with Manning getting it, fully deserved but without Johnson the Titans win maybe 3 or 4 games

[Matthew Jones]

It's most valueable player not most valueable player with a winning record. I have no problems with Manning getting it, fully deserved but without Johnson the Titans win maybe 3 or 4 games

Completely agree with this. Then again, was anyone honestly expecting someone other than Peyton Manning to win this award? I would have put up everything I own on a bet that he'd win. There is a simple formula you can use to find the MVP in any given year:

Who is the team with the best record? + Who is the best player on that team? = MVP.

[Bigburt63]

8-8, that is all.

MVP is most valuable player, not most valuable player on the team with the best record, or at least it should be.

Completely agree with this. Then again, was anyone honestly expecting someone other than Peyton Manning to win this award? I would have put up everything I own on a bet that he'd win. There is a simple formula you can use to find the MVP in any given year:

Who is the team with the best record? + Who is the best player on that team? = MVP.

Ya, I have no problem with Manning winning it (other than the fact that I just don't like him I guess), but to have Johnson get 0 votes is just ridiculous. You cannot honestly tell me that he was not one of the top 5, top 3 really, players in the league this year. (I don't mean you RoP, the collective you)

[Splat]

0 votes for Chris Johnson = Fail

[MaxV]

I bet Titans would win more games without Johnson then Colts would win without Manning.

Congrats to Peyton, well deserved. Now I hope he can win this year's SB MVP also. :)

[Splat]

Jim Sorgi just wins games.

[Scotty D]

Jim Sorgi just wins games.

However, Curtis Painter does not. :(

[703SKINS202]

Congrats to Peyton, anyone else surprised Favre didn't get a vote?

[yo123]

Peyton with his 4th and probably not his last. Well deserved.

[gsorace]

Congrats to Peyton, anyone else surprised Favre didn't get a vote?

"The other votes went to San Diego's Philip Rivers with two, and Minnesota's Brett Favre with one."

[NY+Giants=NYG]

Congrats to Peyton, anyone else surprised Favre didn't get a vote?

Nope! Peyton is the greatest QB ever to play in my opinion, Favre is a great QB, but Peyton deserved it a lot more in my opinion.

[Seamus2602]

Congrats to Peyton, anyone else surprised Favre didn't get a vote?

Favre got a vote.

Manning: 39 1/2
Brees: 7 1/2
Rivers: 2
Favre: 1

In terms of Johnson not getting a vote, where was the outcry when Percy Harvin won OROY with 41 votes, and Austin Collie, a player who scored more Offensive Touchdowns that Harvin, and had the same number of catches, didn't get a single vote?

[RealityCheck]

Great. God damn great. Robot wins it again.

[MaxV]

Great. God damn great. Robot wins it again.

Really?

Have you seen none of his commercials?

[FuzzyGopher]

Really?

Have you seen none of his commercials?

He has a great personality, but he plays like a robot. Everything he does just seems so automatic and he doesn't even have to think about it.

[keylime_5]

Not most valuable player, most valuable QB award.

[Brent]

"@ChrisJohnson28 Do any body got payton address I got to go get my award"

haha so awesome

[ViperVisor]

"@ChrisJohnson28 Do any body got payton address I got to go get my award"

haha so awesome

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8665/crablol.gif

[boknows34]

Johnson never stood a chance of winning MVP with the Titans missing the playoffs. The last MVP from a non-playoff team was OJ Simpson in 1973 when he was the first player to break 2,000 yds rushing in a season - in 14 games.

Johnson is a virtual lock to win Offensive Player of the Year - the same way Drew Brees was an easy winner last year of OPOTY but didn't get a sniff of MVP when he threw for over 5,000 yds - and here is the crucial bit - on a non-playoff 8-8 team. Voters must be given different criteria for the two awards otherwise we would just get the same winners for both awards every year.

[MasterShake]

Simple Math:

Colts With Peyton - 14-0

Colts without Peyton would be 0-14....ok maybe 1-13.


Titans with Johnson - 8-8

Titans without Johnson would be in the 4-12 area.


Peyton wins the colts an extra 13-14 games while Johnsons wins the Titans an extra 4 games.

Easy math....Peyton is the MVP.

[Hurricanes25]

CJ2k got robbed. What more can a RB do to win the award?

[prock]

Simple Math:

Colts With Peyton - 14-0

Colts without Peyton would be 0-14....ok maybe 1-13.


Titans with Johnson - 8-8

Titans without Johnson would be in the 4-12 area.


Peyton wins the colts an extra 13-14 games while Johnsons wins the Titans an extra 4 games.

Easy math....Peyton is the MVP.

couldnt agree more. peyton manning is the offensive coordinator for that team. he coaches the offense. no player is more valuable to their team than peyton manning. you could almost argue that peyton manning is more valuable than any two players on any team. if you think chris johnson should have won this award, you clearly dont understand how incredible and important peyton is.

[Basileus777]

He deserves it this year. The only complaint I have is that he shouldn't have got it last year.

[nhlkdog411]

Simple Math:

Colts With Peyton - 14-0

Colts without Peyton would be 0-14....ok maybe 1-13.


Titans with Johnson - 8-8

Titans without Johnson would be in the 4-12 area.


Peyton wins the colts an extra 13-14 games while Johnsons wins the Titans an extra 4 games.

Easy math....Peyton is the MVP.

We watched the Pats win 11 games last year without Tom Brady, with a QB who hadn't started a game since HIGHSCHOOL and you honestly think a team as talented as the colts couldn't win a game? (or more than 1)

[MaxV]

We watched the Pats win 11 games last year without Tom Brady, with a QB who hadn't started a game since HIGHSCHOOL and you honestly think a team as talented as the colts couldn't win a game? (or more than 1)

You just made a case for Tom Brady being overrated. Good job. :)

Seriously though, Cassel is A LOT better then either Sorgi or Painter.

Colts would be the worst team in the NFL without Peyton, no doubt.

Keep in mind, Colts' rushing offense ranked last. Colts' defense, although not a bad unit, isn't really dominant enough to win games on it's own.

[gsorace]

I hate that the voters take team success into account for an individual award.

[Paul]

We watched the Pats win 11 games last year without Tom Brady, with a QB who hadn't started a game since HIGHSCHOOL and you honestly think a team as talented as the colts couldn't win a game? (or more than 1)

It most cases this would be valid, but Peyton Manning and the Colts would be the exception. Watch any Colts game and it's pretty easy to see that Peyton is the coach, leader, and pretty much the driving force for that team.

[Paul]

I hate that the voters take team success into account for an individual award.

I think it would be complete ******** if a player on a sub .500 team wins the MVP. How valuable are you really if your team isn't winning?

[gsorace]

I think it would be complete ******** if a player on a sub .500 team wins the MVP. How valuable are you really if your team isn't winning?

If a player has the best individual season, but his defense is awful and they don't win many games you're punishing a player for something he has no control over.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

MVP is most valuable player, not most valuable player on the team with the best record, or at least it should be.



Ya, I have no problem with Manning winning it (other than the fact that I just don't like him I guess), but to have Johnson get 0 votes is just ridiculous. You cannot honestly tell me that he was not one of the top 5, top 3 really, players in the league this year. (I don't mean you RoP, the collective you)

The titans did not win games till VY(just winz gamez) started playing QB. CJ was already shredding it but had not won them any games yet.

[yodapoop]

Simple Math:

Colts With Peyton - 14-0

Colts without Peyton would be 0-14....ok maybe 1-13.


Titans with Johnson - 8-8

Titans without Johnson would be in the 4-12 area.


Peyton wins the colts an extra 13-14 games while Johnsons wins the Titans an extra 4 games.

Easy math....Peyton is the MVP.

Alright, I agree with ya that Peyton is the clear MVP cuz without him, the Colts are ******. However, hypothetically speaking I doubt if they did not have Peyton they'd give the keys to Painter. They prolly would got someone else elsewhere.

[prock]

If a player has the best individual season, but his defense is awful and they don't win many games you're punishing a player for something he has no control over.

most VALUABLE player. if a player on a ****** team has one good player but they still dont win games, he obviously isnt very valuable.

[Paul]

If a player has the best individual season, but his defense is awful and they don't win many games you're punishing a player for something he has no control over.

First off someone needs to explain to me how not winning an award is a punishment. Secondly, correct me if I'm wrong, but the MVP should go to the player who is the most VALUABLE to there respective teams. A team whose whole purpose is to win games. Call me crazy, and I might be in the minority, but if a player on a 4-12 team wins the MVP, I'm going into WTF mode. Plus it's hard for me to imagine a RB going for 2,100 yards and 29 TD's and his team is under .500. So no, I have no problem with Voters taking W/L into consideration.

That said, I'd have to agree that CJ not getting any votes is a bit odd.

[Bigburt63]

The titans did not win games till VY(just winz gamez) started playing QB. CJ was already shredding it but had not won them any games yet.

Like I said, I can see the argument with Manning winning, and I can agree with it (I don't like it just because I hate Manning, but will admit he is very good). But to have Johnson get 0 votes? Absurd.


most VALUABLE player. if a player on a ****** team has one good player but they still dont win games, he obviously isnt very valuable.

Wow, just wow. So Calvin Johnson isn't very valuable because the Lions suck. So Barret Ruud isn't valuable because the Buccaneers suck? That logic is ridiculous. Johnson had one of the best years of any RB in league history, yet cannot garner a single vote for MVP because the rest of his team played poorly. That is a crime.

[boknows34]

I hate that the voters take team success into account for an individual award.

If they didn't then there would be no need to also have an award for Offensive Player of The Year as the winners would always be the same (with the exception of Lawrence Taylor winning MVP in 1986).

I thought I'd do a bit of research. Here is what I found.

There has never been an MVP from a team as low as 8-8. OJ Simpson was the last MVP from a non-playoff team back in 1973 and that was because OJ was the 1st RB ever to reach what was considered for the time an impossible milestone - 2,000 yds in 14 games. Johnson becoming the 6th player to achieve 2k isn't quite the same historical impact.

1984 - Eric Dickerson - NFL record 2,105 yds, 5.6 ypc on a 9-7 wild card team. Marino (5,048 yds and 48TDs) was MVP and OPOTY on a 14-2 team and number 1 seed.

1997 - Barry Sanders - 2,053 yds rushing, 6.1 avg on a 9-7 wild card team - had to share MVP with Favre on a 13-3 team and number 2 seed. Sanders did however win his 2nd OPOTY.

1998 - Terrell Davis - 2,008 yds rushing, 5.1 ypc - won the MVP and OPOTY (and here is the crucial bit) on a 14-2 team and number 1 seed.

2003 - Jamal Lewis - 2,066 yds rushing on a 10-6 divisional winner and number 4 seed - Lewis won OPOTY but P.Manning and Steve McNair shared the MVP award on 12-4 teams.

So there you go. Dickerson and Sanders at one point had the two greatest seasons ever for a RB (both still ahead of C.Johnson), both reached the playoffs on 9-7 wildcard teams (Johnson's team missed out) and both still could not win an outright MVP award. A year after Sanders shared the award, T.Davis barely cracked 2k (had less yds and ypc than Eric and Barry) but on a great Super Bowl defending champion 14-2 team he wins MVP. The trend is very easy to follow.

Dickerson was unfortunate that Marino smashed all sorts of records the same year. Sanders, who barely spoke to the media who actually vote for the award, had to share MVP with the media darling. History has shown that Johnson had very, very little chance of being MVP. Had the Titans gone 12-4 or 13-3 then Johnson would probably have won.

Look at last year. Brees was OPOTY in 2008 on a 8-8 non-playoff team but the MVP award went to a 12-4 QB. The award 99% of the time is reserved for great players on great teams. Outstanding player on a winning team wins the MVP. Outstanding player with the offensive numbers wins the OPOTY award. Not saying its right but that's been the trend for years. Reminds me of a famous quote: ''He who ignores history is doomed to repeat it.''

MVP voters are also asked to pick just one name on the ballot. If they could pick 2nd and 3rd like they do with the Heisman then Johnson would at least have gathered a few 2nd and 3rd place votes and registered a voting total - instead of a big fat zero. I certainly don't think Manning was vastly better than any of the other candidates, but if voters only get one vote, the margin Manning won by shouldn't be too much of a surprise. As long as most of them thought he had only a slightly better season than Brees it can give a disproportionate look to the final margin (Manning 39.5 v Brees 7.5).

[Saints-Tigers]

It's not like the NBA, they only give first place votes, so I'm not surprised Johnson got none.

Edit: Oops, meant not like hte NBA

[Jvig43]

Johnson not getting a single vote is just ****** up imo. 2000 yards is ridiculous, and yes Manning had a great year too, but Johnson had the better year imo.

[RaiderNation]

4 MVP's, 1 superbowl ring, .... still kind of 50/50 on if he is a hall of famer though

[prock]

Johnson not getting a single vote is just ****** up imo. 2000 yards is ridiculous, and yes Manning had a great year too, but Johnson had the better year imo.

you have to look past the stats. johnson can be rewarded for 2k yards with OPOY. peyton was the coach and leader and best player on a number 1 seed playoff team. without him, they win maybe 6 games if they are lucky. chris johnson wasnt even as valuable as vince young to the titans, considering that CJ was shredding up the nfl during their 0-6 start, but it wasnt until VY came in that they were winning games.

[Jvig43]

you have to look past the stats. johnson can be rewarded for 2k yards with OPOY. peyton was the coach and leader and best player on a number 1 seed playoff team. without him, they win maybe 6 games if they are lucky. chris johnson wasnt even as valuable as vince young to the titans, considering that CJ was shredding up the nfl during their 0-6 start, but it wasnt until VY came in that they were winning games.

Thats great, but weve all seen what Manning has done before this season, pretty recently too. I'm not saying he had an amazing year, but a player broke 2000 yards and didnt get a single vote. Manning has been everything to Idny, and is definitely the teams MVP, but I would of voted chris johnson on the basis its been about ten years since ive last seen this, as well as hes only the sixth player to have done so.

[TitanHope]

Can't equivelate RB and QB with team success. CJ had one of the best seasons by a RB...ever, and his team was 8-8. Manning didn't lead the league in any statistical category (although he was Top 5 for most of them), yet gets credited for the Colts being around 10 wins better just by him being on the field.

So anyone saying, "Uh, 8-8?" is really a lame argument. The Titans didn't have a QB til Week 8, and they had no defense until Week 8 too. After that, they went 8-2 and were the first team to finish 8-8 after starting 0-6. CJ deserved at least one vote. I didn't expect him to win it, but it's a slap in the face to have that kind of season on a team that didn't have a losing record and not get one vote. C'mon son...


Also, anyone saying that VY was more valuable than CJ is a ******* moron. You know nothing about the Titans, and would be better served to stop talking about them as if you do. Go watch ESPN.

[prock]

Thats great, but weve all seen what Manning has done before this season, pretty recently too. I'm not saying he had an amazing year, but a player broke 2000 yards and didnt get a single vote. Manning has been everything to Idny, and is definitely the teams MVP, but I would of voted chris johnson on the basis its been about ten years since ive last seen this, as well as hes only the sixth player to have done so.

which is why he is going to get OPOY and everyone is going to proclaim him as the second coming. i am a little suprised that no one voted for him as well, but it is a good thing none of them did. i shows that the voters know what they are talking about and voted for players based on value to their team, not just numbers. your basis for voting him MVP is the basis that you should vote for OPOY by, it isnt the right rationale for voting for an MVP.

[Philliez01]

Valuable, Not Necessarily Best.

Manning is most valuable to his team and always will be. It's not like the Colts are some dominating D/ST oriented team. It begins and dies with Manning. The command he has of his team is insane.

Remember Johnson was on the verge of having a great year when the Titans were 0-6. Johnson is a great, special player and I'm convinced he's going to get better somehow. I love watching him play (except against Indy) and it's going to be fun these next few years with him and AD in this league. But as of right now, he's not as vital to the Titans as Peyton is to the Colts.

[Jvig43]

which is why he is going to get OPOY and everyone is going to proclaim him as the second coming. i am a little suprised that no one voted for him as well, but it is a good thing none of them did. i shows that the voters know what they are talking about and voted for players based on value to their team, not just numbers. your basis for voting him MVP is the basis that you should vote for OPOY by, it isnt the right rationale for voting for an MVP.

If you honestly believe the voters know what they are talking about and its not because it Peyton Manning than you need help.

[nhlkdog411]

You just made a case for Tom Brady being overrated. Good job. :)

Seriously though, Cassel is A LOT better then either Sorgi or Painter.

Colts would be the worst team in the NFL without Peyton, no doubt.

Keep in mind, Colts' rushing offense ranked last. Colts' defense, although not a bad unit, isn't really dominant enough to win games on it's own.

I'm not saying Cassel isn't better than Sorgi, but Sorgi HAS performed well in his VERY limited time. My point wasn't necessarily that Peyton didn't deserve the award (I think he was deserving but not so near unanimously), but more so that people are hilariously overrating the value of ANY one player going out. Most people would agree that Brady and Peyton are two of the three best QBs in the league, and if the Pats were able to still be competitive without Brady, the Colts would do the same without Peyton; jokes about Brady being overrated aside.

edit: I just want to clear up here, I'm not saying the Colts would necessarily go 11-5 without Peyton but their team is FAR too talented for people to try and argue they're an 0-16 or 1-15 team without Peyton and that he should win the award because of that. NO player is that valuable in a sport like football and we already learned that last year with the Pats.

[prock]

If you honestly believe the voters know what they are talking about and its not because it Peyton Manning than you need help.

haha ok bro. i presented my argument. peyton manning was more crucial to his teams success than chris johnson. thats undeniable. cj put up hella numbers and that will win him opoy, much deserved. but the vince young was more crucial to his teams success than cj, based on the fact that chris johnson was killin it all year and they went 0-6 under collins and 8-2 under vince. they didnt vote for peyton because he is peyton, they voted for peyton because he was the most valuable player in the league. im not even convinced that chris johnson is the most valuable player on his own team.

[DeCrunkMAn]

Damn, not even 1 vote for Chris Johnson lol

[Jvig43]

haha ok bro. i presented my argument. peyton manning was more crucial to his teams success than chris johnson. thats undeniable. cj put up hella numbers and that will win him opoy, much deserved. but the vince young was more crucial to his teams success than cj, based on the fact that chris johnson was killin it all year and they went 0-6 under collins and 8-2 under vince. they didnt vote for peyton because he is peyton, they voted for peyton because he was the most valuable player in the league. im not even convinced that chris johnson is the most valuable player on his own team.

This made me lol.

[vidae]

"The other votes went to San Diego's Philip Rivers with two, and Minnesota's Brett Favre with one."

Gee, I wonder who gave Favre that vote?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZzSeX2ctOaA/R_5mmPabZDI/AAAAAAAABiA/0biUUc8-A4g/s320/peter%2Bking.JPG

[boknows34]

Gee, I wonder who gave Favre that vote?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZzSeX2ctOaA/R_5mmPabZDI/AAAAAAAABiA/0biUUc8-A4g/s320/peter%2Bking.JPG

King voted for Peyton Manning as MVP and Chris Johnson for OPOTY.

[LizardState]

State of the Art Roboquarterback! Fetus-headed too. Will make more endorsement $ than anyone in NFL history.....

[Halsey]

Chris Johnson was so valueable that he couldn't lead the Titans to a win without Vince Young. Sorry, but QB's are just more valuable than RB's. Chris Johnson had no business sniffing the MVP.

[P-L]

People acting like the Colts would be the worst team in football without Peyton Manning is hilarious. The worst team in football was 1-15 while the Colts were 14-2. Sorry, no matter how you want to spin it NO player in football history is worth 13 or 14 wins by himself over a 16 game season. You guys act like the Colts have no talent at all. The defense played really well early on in the season. They were number one in points against through 10 games this season. I don't care who you trot out at quarterback. If your team gives up less points than any other through nine or ten games, you aren't going to go 0-9 or 0-10 in that span.

The fact that Drew Brees is getting no respect is a huge slap in the face. He was better than Peyton Manning in every statistical category this season (Manning had more yard but Brees had more ypg) and his team only had one more loss than Manning's. If everyone is so insistent on giving Manning an award every year than they should create an award just for him so than can give the MVP to the person who actually deserves it the most.

[Pit Bull #53]

4 MVP's, 1 superbowl ring, .... still kind of 50/50 on if he is a hall of famer though

please tell me this is sarcasm

[vikes_28]

Is anyone else super annoyed that he has won 4 MVP awards? I mean, i know the guy is the best QB in the league, but comon, it just gets old after a while.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Two words:

Philip Rivers


Manning wasn't even that good this year.

[Jvig43]

Is anyone else super annoyed that he has won 4 MVP awards? I mean, i know the guy is the best QB in the league, but comon, it just gets old after a while.

I agree. CJ not getting a single vote, or Brees is just stupid. But it's not surprising, its more of a celebrity thing. The media loves Peyton, not surprising theyd pick him again even tho doing what hes done has been done plenty of times while CJ joins a group of only six other people ever and gets shunned.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

People acting like the Colts would be the worst team in football without Peyton Manning is hilarious. The worst team in football was 1-15 while the Colts were 14-2. Sorry, no matter how you want to spin it NO player in football history is worth 13 or 14 wins by himself over a 16 game season. You guys act like the Colts have no talent at all. The defense played really well early on in the season. They were number one in points against through 10 games this season. I don't care who you trot out at quarterback. If your team gives up less points than any other through nine or ten games, you aren't going to go 0-9 or 0-10 in that span.


For real, I question whether or not any of these people have actually watched a single Colts game this season. Peyton straight up STRUGGLED in a lot of games this year. He was throwing all kinds of picks, the defense limited the damage and Peyton straightened up on time to win the game.

Brees is a great candidate himself, but if I have a vote, I'm voting for Philip Rivers. He's just been so good this year, is leading the league's hottest team to a first round bye and, in my opinion, probably the Super Bowl. The defense has been down, Ladainian is showing his age, but the Chargers are the best team in football. I hate the dude, but he's my MVP.

Manning won this award based purely on reputation. This wasn't a good year by his standards, and he wasn't the best quarterback this season. I'm a huge fan of Peyton Manning, but IMO he didn't deserve this award.

[sweetness34]

They really need to define what the MVP means. Is it the best player in the league? Or is it the player with the most value?

If it's the former, CJ should have won. If it's the ladder, I would say that Favre or Brees should have won.

Manning got it based on his name and the fact he has the best team (record wise).

[TitanHope]

Chris Johnson was so valueable that he couldn't lead the Titans to a win without Vince Young. Sorry, but QB's are just more valuable than RB's. Chris Johnson had no business sniffing the MVP.

To start the season, the entire team was struggling. Collins was turning the ball over and being a horrible game manager, the defense was like butter, and the coaching staff wasn't cutting it. CJ had 284 yards from scrimmage and 3 TD's against Houston in Week 2, and the Titans still lose by a FG.

Then the Bye week came the last week of October. After that, CJ went on to have the highest rushing total ever by a RB in a single month - he rushed for 800 yards in November. The Titans went on a 5-0 record during that span. VY was a part of that, but it's horribly wrong for anyone to say that CJ's prolific running wasn't the main reason. Without CJ in the backfield, VY and the Titans struggle. It's hard to explain what CJ does to a defense just by being on the field, and he helped VY big time by single handedly putting up points and clearing out the middle of the field by running a flat route.

CJ deserved a vote. He doesn't play as important of a position as Manning, but the Titans offense returns to the 2007 form without him. He was more important that Haynesworth last year when the Titans went 13-3 (Anyone remember what happened to the Titans offense when CJ was forced to leave the Playoff game vs the Ravens?), and he's single handedly won us several games this year. The Titans went 0-6 because they had the embodiment of suck at QB and a defense that couldn't stop a high school offense, not because CJ wasn't valuable enough to single-handedly lead them to a victory. Without him, the Titans lose the first 6 games without putting up a fight, don't go on an 8-2 run and fight back into the playoff hunt, and likely have a Top 5 pick in the Draft.

Manning was very deserving of winning, but saying a RB with one of the most prolific seasons in NFL history whose team went on an 8-2 run when he erupted doesn't even deserve sniffing the MVP is just flat out ignorant.

I also think that Manning was kind've a lazy pick, but that's another story for another time.

[CC.SD]

For real, I question whether or not any of these people have actually watched a single Colts game this season. Peyton straight up STRUGGLED in a lot of games this year. He was throwing all kinds of picks, the defense limited the damage and Peyton straightened up on time to win the game.

Brees is a great candidate himself, but if I have a vote, I'm voting for Philip Rivers. He's just been so good this year, is leading the league's hottest team to a first round bye and, in my opinion, probably the Super Bowl. The defense has been down, Ladainian is showing his age, but the Chargers are the best team in football. I hate the dude, but he's my MVP.

Manning won this award based purely on reputation. This wasn't a good year by his standards, and he wasn't the best quarterback this season. I'm a huge fan of Peyton Manning, but IMO he didn't deserve this award.

I am pretty sick of Peyton getting the award, but I understand him getting it because wins are the bottom line and he didn't lose this year. It's no slight to Rivers that this is how the voting went this year at all. Mostly I'm just happy he was in the discussion so the train can get started a lot earlier in 2010, every year more and more people realize how impossibly good Rivers is.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

Manning wasn't even that good this year.

It was his second best TD total over his career, his second most yards in his career, his fourth best passer rating, and he led a metric fuckton of come from behind wins to keep his team completely undefeated in every game he played the entirely of.

I can empathize that Manning shouldn't have dominated the voting the way eh did. Brees and Rivers both deserved to have more votes relative to Manning's total and Johnson should have gotten some votes. But don't even pretend that Manning wasn't the clear choice based on how this season went.

[GhostDeini]

Couple things...

1.RB's come and go. Their fall is even more staggering than their peak.

2.This is Peyton Manning here. The best QB of all time and maybe the best offensive player in the history of the game. How can anybody knock him ? It's like knocking Albert Pujols for winning an MVP.

[Addict]

I guess Peyton deserved it, but Johnson getting zero points is just stupid.

[bantx]

Philip Rivers actually got some love in the voting

[princefielder28]

Two words:

Philip Rivers


Manning wasn't even that good this year.

Agree 100%...Rivers was the guy I wanted to see win the award

[Addict]

Philip Rivers actually got some love in the voting

he'd be my vote as MVP probably. He really played excellent football this year. So did Peyton, but... yeah I'm not entirely sure this kind of landslide victory was entirely deserved.

[wogitalia]

Can't say I feel that anyone got robbed.

With the way voting works, the fact that guys other Manning got votes is more of an issue than who. I can't see an arguement for anyone being more valuable to their team than Manning. To me that makes him a clear most valuable.

CJ2k should win OPoY though, that is the award to that rewards statistical brilliance. Value is different to production. If CJ doesn't win that, then there is reason to have issues.

[Smooth Criminal]

Chris Johnson had a remarkable season. Peyton had a great one, very typical of himself.

I'd have voted for Johnson, but I think people underappreciate what Manning does because hes done it for so long. Theres no team that would be more crippled by losing a player than the Colts would if they lost Manning.

[Bob Sanders Dreadlock]

For real, I question whether or not any of these people have actually watched a single Colts game this season. Peyton straight up STRUGGLED in a lot of games this year. He was throwing all kinds of picks, the defense limited the damage and Peyton straightened up on time to win the game.

Brees is a great candidate himself, but if I have a vote, I'm voting for Philip Rivers. He's just been so good this year, is leading the league's hottest team to a first round bye and, in my opinion, probably the Super Bowl. The defense has been down, Ladainian is showing his age, but the Chargers are the best team in football. I hate the dude, but he's my MVP.

Manning won this award based purely on reputation. This wasn't a good year by his standards, and he wasn't the best quarterback this season. I'm a huge fan of Peyton Manning, but IMO he didn't deserve this award.

I question whether you watched him play all year. I dont know the exact number but he had i beleive 7 4th quarter comebacks this year. The team finished dead last in rushing. Coming into the year nobody could have guessed we would have been in a position to be unefeated. Peyton just continued to show he is the qb, the coach, and the franchise.

[RealityCheck]

Really?

Have you seen none of his commercials?
He does well in commercials. But he plays like a robot and talks like a robot in interviews. Not to mention he moves like a robot.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I question whether you watched him play all year. I dont know the exact number but he had i beleive 7 4th quarter comebacks this year. The team finished dead last in rushing. Coming into the year nobody could have guessed we would have been in a position to be unefeated. Peyton just continued to show he is the qb, the coach, and the franchise.

Yeah he had tons of comebacks. But he dug his own hole in half of those games. Comebacks don't impress me as much when it's your own multiple INTs that make you need to come back in the first place.

[Seamus2602]

Yeah he had tons of comebacks. But he dug his own hole in half of those games. Comebacks don't impress me as much when it's your own multiple INTs that make you need to come back in the first place.

Denver

1st Int: Tipped pass
2nd Int: Poor throw
3rd Int: Good coverage

Houston

1st Int: Hit while throwing
2nd Int: Poor Route

Baltimore

1st Int: Tipped pass
2nd Int: Poor throw

New England

1st Int: Poor throw
2nd Int: Receiver runs a different Route than what was expected

He had 4 games with multiple Interceptions. In three of games one of the Interceptions was because of a poor throw. The rest of them were good defensive plays, tipped passes or poor play by the Receiver.

Rivers was good this year but, in my opinion, not as good as Manning. Manning deserved the MVP award. Yes people like Johnson should have had votes and Rivers should have done better in the voting but Manning still deserved the award.

[Philliez01]

Yeah he had tons of comebacks. But he dug his own hole in half of those games. Comebacks don't impress me as much when it's your own multiple INTs that make you need to come back in the first place.

I really ask for forgiveness if I come across as a total homer as it's not my intention. But:

The Colts are completely reliant on Peyton Manning for it's present and future successes. The Colts aren't a TERRIBLE team without him, but the team is is contingent on having him in there. The defense, as everyone knows, isn't a great run-stopper. They, being a relatively lighter squad, suffer injuries more commonly than others. No way could the defense win a lot of games by themselves like the Ravens, Steelers (before this year), Bears (during their SB run), etc. Sure they have a great pass-rush and a pretty decent secondary but without Manning, the Colts couldn't rely on them.

Also, look at the Colts ground game. Improved a tad, yes. However, again with a different QB, the running game would be unsuccessful in bailing out a struggling QB. The OL does a solid job at protecting Manning, but it's not the same as when they had Tarik Glenn, Jake Scott, Saturday, Lilja and Diem (or even DeMulling when they were all younger).

Just my perspective.

[wogitalia]

I don't get the huge argument against including team records.

As far as I'm concerned, the team record sets how valuable you can be. I mean you can be the sole reason your team wins a game, but if they only win one game, how valuable were you truly overall?

If a team wins more games, you inherently have more value to "give out". So the MVP of a 14 win team was more valuable overall than the MVP of an 8 win team. You get situations like the Panthers where its debatable who was their MVP from week to week, but Peyton was the reason the Colts won or lost in ever game this season, and last I checked, they won a lot of games. Johnson was pretty damn good in wins and losses for the Titans also, but they just didn't win enough games for him to warrant inclusion.

[Bucs_Rule]

I don't get the huge argument against including team records.

As far as I'm concerned, the team record sets how valuable you can be. I mean you can be the sole reason your team wins a game, but if they only win one game, how valuable were you truly overall?

If a team wins more games, you inherently have more value to "give out". So the MVP of a 14 win team was more valuable overall than the MVP of an 8 win team. You get situations like the Panthers where its debatable who was their MVP from week to week, but Peyton was the reason the Colts won or lost in ever game this season, and last I checked, they won a lot of games. Johnson was pretty damn good in wins and losses for the Titans also, but they just didn't win enough games for him to warrant inclusion.

Its much harder to shine on a team with little talent than with lots as a QB. Green Bay couldn't block at the start of the season, if that persisted Rodgers never would have made the Pro Bowl.

[wogitalia]

Its much harder to shine on a team with little talent than with lots as a QB. Green Bay couldn't block at the start of the season, if that persisted Rodgers never would have made the Pro Bowl.

See I don't see a lot of talent on the Colts. A couple of their lineman are good, but the rest are made to look a lot better by Manning, both the pre-snap reads and his quick read and release take off a lot of pressure, I think their performance in the run game is a better indication of that OLs ability than their pass protection stats.

No doubt Wayne and Clark are talented but the rest of the receivers again benefit greatly from Manning. Defensively I would say Freeney is the only star on that defense that was healthy this year, the rest of the guys are adequate starters, they are all much better suited to defending the pass than the run though which Manning helps with, teams go into games against the Colts thinking they need to score 30+ if they are going to win, that is because of Manning.

To be honest, of the top teams(Chargers, Colts, Saints and Vikes) I would say that outside of Manning, the Colts are by far the least talented team.

[Bengalsrocket]

See I don't see a lot of talent on the Colts. A couple of their lineman are good, but the rest are made to look a lot better by Manning, both the pre-snap reads and his quick read and release take off a lot of pressure, I think their performance in the run game is a better indication of that OLs ability than their pass protection stats.

No doubt Wayne and Clark are talented but the rest of the receivers again benefit greatly from Manning. Defensively I would say Freeney is the only star on that defense that was healthy this year, the rest of the guys are adequate starters, they are all much better suited to defending the pass than the run though which Manning helps with, teams go into games against the Colts thinking they need to score 30+ if they are going to win, that is because of Manning.

To be honest, of the top teams(Chargers, Colts, Saints and Vikes) I would say that outside of Manning, the Colts are by far the least talented team.

I would agree with this. I don't get why people see the Colts as a "stacked" team.

[CC.SD]

I would agree with this. I don't get why people see the Colts as a "stacked" team.

Well it's probably because they have two All Pro offensive weapons in Wayne and Clark, along with a stable of other productive receivers, two 1st round picks at RB, good protection, and a defense that started the season with pro bowlers (and a DPOY) at both safety spots, both defensive end spots, and at LB...plus the funny commercial guy at QB.

I have no great love for the Colts but I don't know how you can knock their talent level. Not exactly a drought there, position by position they stack up with anybody. Colts are officially the most underrated 14-2 team since their last 14-2 team in 07.

[Bucs_Rule]

Well it's probably because they have two All Pro offensive weapons in Wayne and Clark, along with a stable of other productive receivers, two 1st round picks at RB, good protection, and a defense that started the season with pro bowlers (and a DPOY) at both safety spots, both defensive end spots, and at LB...plus the funny commercial guy at QB.

I have no great love for the Colts but I don't know how you can knock their talent level. Not exactly a drought there, position by position they stack up with anybody. Colts are officially the most underrated 14-2 team since their last 14-2 team in 07.

Whenever a team has 2 first round RBs you know the first one couldn't be very good or they never would have drafted the second. Unless its the case where the first is aging and the team won't resign, which isn't the case. Brown has had a couple flashes but really hasn't produced.

According to Football Outsiders the Colts had only the 8th best season. The Ravens were actually rated the best. Thats without taking into account the starters resting for 1 and 1/2 games. Even before they weren't one of the top few teams.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/dvoa-ratings/2010/week-17-dvoa-ratings

[yourfavestoner]

This is all well and good. Hopefully he enjoys it before his annual early postseason exit.

[wogitalia]

I have no great love for the Colts but I don't know how you can knock their talent level. Not exactly a drought there, position by position they stack up with anybody. Colts are officially the most underrated 14-2 team since their last 14-2 team in 07.

I'm not "knocking" the talent level so much as I am saying that it is lower than the other top teams, who are the other teams with top candidates. Even the Titans are comparable, they have a vastly better OL than the Colt, though are on the same basic level at other positions.

Sanders I discounted, he was never healthy all year and missed most of the season, was nothing more than an adequate starter when he played.

I mean take Chargers, RB is a wash though LT is a much better pass protector. WR is a wash, TE is a wash, OL is an edge to Chargers. Defensively the Chargers have a fair bit more talent, though they have had injuries limit/stop some of their best also.

Vikes OL is weaker, but RB is far better, WR is pretty even, TE is a bit weaker. DL is far better, LB were better, probably arent now, secondary, talentwise is fairly even though the Colts has performed much better.

Saints are again probably better or equal everywhere on offense and defense.

Again, it is not that the Colts are lacking talent, they have plenty of good players, just not as many as the other elite teams, imo, and I think that Manning is the reason why they are at 14-2 as opposed to being 8-8 or 10-6 where the rest of their talent would lie with an average QB. I think they are comparable to the teams like Tennessee, New York(either) and Ravens but that the play of Manning is why they are so much better than those teams record wise.

[Shiver]

Five years from now we will remember Chris Johnson's 2009 season; Favre's return, Drew Brees' 70% completion percentage, Manning's come from behind victories are impressive now, but I don't think they will have the lasting value.

This is Annie Hall beating Star Wars for Best Picture in 1977.

[Basileus777]

Five years from now we will remember Chris Johnson's 2009 season; Favre's return, Drew Brees' 70% completion percentage, Manning's come from behind victories are impressive now, but I don't think they will have the lasting value.

This is Annie Hall beating Star Wars for Best Picture in 1977.

People are going to care about Drew Brees' completion percentage in 10 years? No one even cares about it right now. That's not the sort of record that's remembered.

[Shiver]

Uh, that was my point. Re-read please.

notice the ";"

[Basileus777]

Uh, that was my point. Re-read please.

notice the ";"

Yeah, I misread it. I thought you were lumping Favre and Brees together with Chris Johnson.

Though I do think Favre's return will be remembered, especially if Minnesota does anything in the playoffs. Favre doesn't deserve the MVP though.

[Philliez01]

Five years from now we will remember Chris Johnson's 2009 season; Favre's return, Drew Brees' 70% completion percentage, Manning's come from behind victories are impressive now, but I don't think they will have the lasting value.

This is Annie Hall beating Star Wars for Best Picture in 1977.

Nah, it's Kris Allen beating Adam Lambert.

And I think he means Chris Johnson '09 defines the year, and the other ones are subtitles at best.

[Flyboy]

Drew Brees only got 7 1/2 votes.

*shakes head*

[LonghornsLegend]

I bet Titans would win more games without Johnson then Colts would win without Manning.

I hate that argument, because it boils down to how well of a back-up a team has at that certain position and becomes less about the players at hand. If the Colts had Matt Schaub as a back-up, you could easily say "well if Peyton wasn't there the Colts would still win 13 games probably", but just because it's Sorgi people always try to correlate that to meaning Peyton is more valuable(not you, just in general).


Well Peyton broke the record and got #4, what a shocker. The crazy thing is I could easily see him winning at least 2 more before he retires, maybe 3, depends on if voters will hold it against him that he's already won so many.

[Saints-Tigers]

I guess no one remembers basically writing off the Colts at the beginning of the season, but now that they almost go undefeated, everyone harps on how much talent they have around Manning.

[CC.SD]

Whenever a team has 2 first round RBs you know the first one couldn't be very good or they never would have drafted the second. Unless its the case where the first is aging and the team won't resign, which isn't the case. Brown has had a couple flashes but really hasn't produced.


http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/12-08/1221nflduo.jpg

What a silly generalization

[MaxV]

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/img/12-08/1221nflduo.jpg

What a silly generalization

Yeap, two 1st round RBs and a rushing attack that is rated last in the NFL.

Talent at RB is irrelevant if O-Line can't open any lanes.

Colts' offense was all about Manning.

[CC.SD]

Yeap, two 1st round RBs and a rushing attack that is rated last in the NFL.

Talent at RB is irrelevant if O-Line can't open any lanes.

Colts' offense was all about Manning.

o rly, he should be MVP then.

Seriously how many people are on board with this concept that the Colts don't have talent, it simply is not true.

[Shiver]

o rly, he should be MVP then.

Seriously how many people are on board with this concept that the Colts don't have talent, it simply is not true.


The media's portrayal of the Colts as the 'Rams + Manning' has spread and is now a pandemic of stupid.

[Paranoidmoonduck]

There's no real argument for the Indianapolis Colts not having talent. Granted, they don't have 2007 Patriots talent, but to it isn't much of a stretch to suggest that, given an average starting quarterback (say...Kyle Orton), they would be competitive.

There's little denying just how much of that team relies on Indianapolis. You can imagine them in any hypothetical you care to, but the reality remains that Manning was the obvious driving force behind them winning their first 14 games. I think the way the final two games of the season went for the Colts left a bit of a bad taste in people's mouths and I think that guys like Brees and Rivers (and to a lesser extent: Favre) were a lot closer to Manning than the voting reflected, but I honestly think the best argument to be made is for Manning and I guess enough of the voters felt similarly.

[lordquas]

peyton mannings the best QB of all time.
too bad hes getting ****** up this week!

[Shiver]

The problem is there are two memes that surround the Colts:

1. Peyton Manning has single-handedly lifted the Colts from mediocrity to greatest.
2. Bill Polian is one of the best general managers and they have constantly been able to replace veterans with equally productive young players.

So either Peyton Manning is the best with the least or Bill Polian is a great GM. Neither storyline that the media pushes meshes with the other.

[NotRickJames]

This reward belongs to Rivers.

It's incredible that Rivers has taken his team so far without a running game and only two good targets (Gates and VJ). Floyd JUST started coming into his own.

[boknows34]

This reward belongs to Rivers.

It's incredible that Rivers has taken his team so far without a running game and only two good targets (Gates and VJ). Floyd JUST started coming into his own.

You could also say that Manning took his team further with home field advantage, 14 consecutive wins, had the league's 32nd and worst ranked running game and outside his two good targets (Wayne and Clark) had a 4th rd rookie and a 2008 6th rd pick from a Div 3 school to replace the injured Anthony Gonzalez and retired Marvin Harrison. Manning also had more yds, more TD passes and a better completion % than Rivers, who had a better QB rating.

There were maybe 4 or 5 players that actually deserved the award but they can't give it to all of them.

[Jvig43]

The problem is there are two memes that surround the Colts:

1. Peyton Manning has single-handedly lifted the Colts from mediocrity to greatest.
2. Bill Polian is one of the best general managers and they have constantly been able to replace veterans with equally productive young players.

So either Peyton Manning is the best with the least or Bill Polian is a great GM. Neither storyline that the media pushes meshes with the other.

Psssh havet you heard? I mean you most likeyl havent because your not a colts fan, but Polian is going to be fired after this season for resting the Colts starters against the Jets! I mean I dont get it, but from hearing it from the Colts fans on this site, the whole state of Indianapolis is calling for his job :rolleyes:

[49ers1984]

King voted for Peyton Manning as MVP and Chris Johnson for OPOTY.


Not suprising he is in love with Manning. Peter King has little crediblity

[UKfan]

Psssh havet you heard? I mean you most likeyl havent because your not a colts fan, but Polian is going to be fired after this season for resting the Colts starters against the Jets! I mean I dont get it, but from hearing it from the Colts fans on this site, the whole state of Indianapolis is calling for his job :rolleyes:

Ahem... I don't believe I have... :confused:

[49ers1984]

If you were going to pick a qb you would have to have picked Brees who had a higher completion record with more touchdowns and less ints.

[Saints-Tigers]

If you were going to pick a qb you would have to have picked Brees who had a higher completion record with more touchdowns and less ints.

If you take away Brees and Manning, who do you feel the better team is? I think the Saints would be, and pretty handily.

And the Colts had 1 more win, with less talent(in my opinion).

I guess if both teams hadn't rested anyone, or gotten injuries down the stretch, records would have changed, but it is what it is.

[49ers1984]

If you take away Brees and Manning, who do you feel the better team is? I think the Saints would be, and pretty handily.

And the Colts had 1 more win, with less talent(in my opinion).

I guess if both teams hadn't rested anyone, or gotten injuries down the stretch, records would have changed, but it is what it is.

Do you know that for sure though? That depends a lot on who has the better backup qb. This agrumenet is invalid because their are to many circumstances that affect it.

[killxswitch]

Do you know that for sure though? That depends a lot on who has the better backup qb. This agrumenet is invalid because their are to many circumstances that affect it.

Manning's backup is Curtis Painter. There is no NFL QB worse than Curtis Painter. Therefore, his argument is valid.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Manning's backup is Curtis Painter. There is no NFL QB worse than Curtis Painter. Therefore, his argument is valid.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/11/2009/11/500x_chris-simms-broncos-20090814_zaf_se4_074.jpg


Oh hai.