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foozball
01-11-2010, 04:48 PM
This is getting to be a VERY deep class of safeties.

How do you rank these guys?

Eric Berry
Earl Thomas
Taylor Mays
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Chad Jones
Reshad Jones
Major Wright
Darrell Stuckey
Robert Johnson

BGB
01-11-2010, 04:58 PM
Eric Berry
Taylor Mays
Earl Thomas
Chad Jones
Morgan Burnett
Nate Allen
Major Wright
Reshad Jones

Is Saftey now the deepest position at the top of the draft? I would say all those guys are legit 1st or 2nd round talents.

hagy34
01-11-2010, 05:00 PM
Good news for MN

BGB
01-11-2010, 05:02 PM
Good news for MN

Thumbs up!

prock
01-11-2010, 05:11 PM
Eric Berry
Taylor Mays
Earl Thomas
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Chad Jones
Reshad Jones
Darrel Stuckey
Major Wright

this is an incredibly deep class of safeties. love it!

FUNBUNCHER
01-11-2010, 05:15 PM
Eric Berry and Earl Thomas are 1 and 1A, IMO.

Because this class is unusually deep, ( I would not be surprised if all of the safeties listed started or had significant playing time as rookies), I question the value of taking a safety high in the draft other than Berry in the top 5.

brat316
01-11-2010, 05:16 PM
Yeah this is suprising the number of safeties that have entered this year.

prock
01-11-2010, 05:34 PM
Eric Berry and Earl Thomas are 1 and 1A, IMO.

Because this class is unusually deep, ( I would not be surprised if all of the safeties listed started or had significant playing time as rookies), I question the value of taking a safety other than Berry in the top 5.

are you suggesting that any of the others were top 5 talents? you should reword that sentence lol...

FUNBUNCHER
01-11-2010, 06:26 PM
Corrected.

Finz99
01-11-2010, 06:39 PM
This is amazing news for the Dolphins.

regoob2
01-11-2010, 06:53 PM
I think Earl Thomas is to small to be put ahead of Mays. I love Thomas but he's going to be a big liability against the run. I see a small bust factor in him because of it.

FUNBUNCHER
01-11-2010, 06:55 PM
I think Earl Thomas is to small to be put ahead of Mays. I love Thomas but he's going to be a big liability against the run. I see a small bust factor in him because of it.

You mean the same way Ed Reed is a liability??

thebow305
01-11-2010, 06:58 PM
This is amazing news for the Dolphins.

Agreed. I'd be ecstatic to land any of Berry, Mays, Thomas, either Jones or Burnett in the first three rounds.

My order would go:

1. Eric Berry
2. Taylor Mays
3. Earl Thomas
4. Chad Jones
5. Reshad Jones
6. Kam Chancellor
7. Morgan Burnett
8. Major Wright
9. Nate Allen
10. Darrell Stuckey

BaLLiN
01-11-2010, 07:09 PM
Top 5
1. Eric Berry
2. EARLZZ THOMAZZ
3. Taylor Mays
4. Chad Jones
5. Reshad Jones

WorldBFree
01-11-2010, 07:49 PM
This is getting to be a VERY deep class of safeties.

How do you rank these guys?

Eric Berry
Earl Thomas
Taylor Mays
Nate Allen
Morgan Burnett
Chad Jones
Reshad Jones
Major Wright
Darrell Stuckey
Robert Johnson

I really like Chad Jones. I would move him up to third. I hope the Steelers can get him in round 2.

Nard_Dog
01-11-2010, 08:17 PM
1. Eric Berry
2. Earl Thomas
3. Taylor Mays
4. Chad Jones
5. Reshad Jones
6. Robert Johnson
7. Morgan Brunett
8. T.J. Ward
9. Darrell Stuckey
10. Kam Chancellor

regoob2
01-11-2010, 08:18 PM
You mean the same way Ed Reed is a liability??
No, not like Ed Reed. Not every undersized FS that struggles against the run should be compared to first ballot hall of famers.

regoob2
01-11-2010, 08:19 PM
Top 5
1. Eric Berry
2. EARLZZ THOMAZZ
3. Taylor Mays
4. Chad Jones
5. Reshad Jones
No idea you were a Earl Thomas fan. :D

BaLLiN
01-11-2010, 08:36 PM
No idea you were a Earl Thomas fan. :D

oh that i am, but usually any DB i become a fan of the giants dont pick them i.e... Reggie Smith OU, Antoine Cason Zona, John Talley Duke (monster ballhawk), Brandon Meriweather Miami, oh well :/

As far as GLB goes, my corners and rb will be adding points and boosting next season, and my two higher levels are available to you first.

princefielder28
01-11-2010, 08:41 PM
1. Eric Berry* :: Tennessee
2. Earl Thomas* :: Texas
3. Chad Jones* :: LSU
4. Taylor Mays :: USC
5. Morgan Burnett* :: Georgia Tech
6. Nate Allen :: South Florida
7. Major Wright* :: Florida
8. Reshad Jones* :: Georgia
9. Robert Johnson :: Utah
10. Darrell Stuckey :: Kansas
11. Myron Lewis :: Vanderbilt
12. TJ Ward :: Oregon
13. Barry Church :: Toledo
14. Harry Coleman :: LSU
15. Terrell Skinner :: Maryland

regoob2
01-11-2010, 08:57 PM
oh that i am, but usually any DB i become a fan of the giants dont pick them i.e... Reggie Smith OU, Antoine Cason Zona, John Talley Duke (monster ballhawk), Brandon Meriweather Miami, oh well :/

As far as GLB goes, my corners and rb will be adding points and boosting next season, and my two higher levels are available to you first.Cool. Thanks.

JFLO
01-11-2010, 08:58 PM
1. Eric Berry
2. Earl Thomas
3. Taylor Mays
4. Chad Jones
5. Nate Allen
6. Robert Johnson
7. Darrell Stuckey
8. Morgan Burnett
9. Reshad Jones
10. Kurt Coleman

Big_Pete
01-11-2010, 09:04 PM
I would probably include Rennie Curran in the list somewhere as a SS option

I think that will be his best position in the pro's.

Perhaps he compares with Pat Chung? he has similar height, speed, athleticism and production and is more solid.

If you are after a physical in the box SS, Curran would certainly worth consideration

JFLO
01-11-2010, 09:07 PM
One massive sleeper though is Barry Church out of Toledo...

Use to play linebacker but his size is sort of less than legit...he is a straight playmaker though and is very sound on the field.

phlysac
01-11-2010, 09:52 PM
I think Akwasi Owusu-Onsah could be a legit FS, as well

phlysac
01-11-2010, 09:57 PM
No, not like Ed Reed. Not every undersized FS that struggles against the run should be compared to first ballot hall of famers.

True but Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders, Jairus Byrd, Brandon Meriweather, etc are all of similar height/weights.

Thomas is only 20 years old. He'll likely gain 5 lbs naturally in the next few years and be bigger than a few above listed players.

Calvin & Kevin
01-11-2010, 09:57 PM
I pray that you all are right about these safeties all being 1-2 rd picks... Hopefully that will drive other positions down the board for the Lions since we already got our safety last year. Go safeties!

Big_Pete
01-11-2010, 11:18 PM
I pray that you all are right about these safeties all being 1-2 rd picks... Hopefully that will drive other positions down the board for the Lions since we already got our safety last year. Go safeties!


I think it more likely that players who should have the talent to go higher will slip more than they should based on talent alone.

safety is not a premium draft position and alot of teams will be able to fill their safety needs in later rounds

for example, my expectations would be something like:

1st round: Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, Taylor Mays

2nd round: Chad Jones, Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, Reshad Jones

3rd round: Major Wright, Rennie Curran (SS), Robert Johnson, Darrell Stuckey

4th round: Myron Lewis, TJ Ward, Larry Asante, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (FS)

5th round: Kam Chancellor, Harry Coleman, Barry Church, Terrell Skinner,

6th round: Darian Stewart, Kyle McCarthy, Myron Rolle, Kurt Coleman

7th round: Justin Woodall, Jonathan Amaya, Russell Anderson, Jordan Lake


This is an exceptionally deep safety class

jballa838
01-11-2010, 11:22 PM
Major Wright for steal of the century.

okay123
01-11-2010, 11:49 PM
What about Chris Culliver from South Carolina? Has he even declared?

prock
01-12-2010, 12:21 AM
I think Earl Thomas is to small to be put ahead of Mays. I love Thomas but he's going to be a big liability against the run. I see a small bust factor in him because of it.

i agree, he missed a bunch of tackles in the NC game. he also made a few stellar plays against the run, but his tackling was inconsistent and he kept trying for arm tackles. i would still put mays ahead of thomas at this point.

Hines
01-12-2010, 12:57 AM
One massive sleeper though is Barry Church out of Toledo...

Use to play linebacker but his size is sort of less than legit...he is a straight playmaker though and is very sound on the field.

Very high on Church. I think he's more of a 4th-6th rounder, but I'd LOVE him on the Steelers. Doesn't hurt he is from Pittsburgh.

gpngc
01-12-2010, 01:18 AM
I think Curran is a pure LB. JMO.

1. Eric Berry
2. Earl Thomas
3. Chad Jones
4. Nate Allen
5. Taylor Mays
6. Major Wright
7. Reshad Jones
8. Robert Johnson
9. Darrell Stuckey
10. Morgan Burnett

brat316
01-12-2010, 01:33 AM
Ryan Clark is 5-11 200lbs

DiG
01-12-2010, 07:52 AM
FS Rankings (Some guys could project to either FS or SS but I didnt include guys I thought were pure SS prospects)

1. Eric Berry
2. Earl Thomas
3. Chad Jones
4. Taylor Mays
5. Major Wright
6. Nate Allen
7. Reshad Jones
8. Morgan Burnett
9. Robert Johnson
10. Myron Lewis, CB/FS
11. Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB/FS
12. Nick Polk
13. Van Eskridge
14. Kam Chancellor
15. Terrell Skinner

Awesome class to say the least.

DaBrowns41
01-12-2010, 09:58 AM
1. Berry
2. Thomas
3A) Mays
3B) Allen
4. Stuckey
5. Chad Jones
6. Reshad Jones
7. Major Wright
8. Barry Church
9. Harry Coleman
10. Major Wright

DeathbyStat
01-12-2010, 10:02 AM
This is amazing news for the Dolphins.

Good for the stillers as well....I'm Liking Earl Thomas better than Mays

DaBrowns41
01-12-2010, 10:22 AM
Good for the stillers as well....I'm Liking Earl Thomas better than Mays

As well you should. He's got all of the athleticism, and physical abilities, PLUS he actually knows how to make plays, other than Mays who just sits 20-25 yards behind the LOS and does very little, except get burnt in coverage by quick slot receivers.

RealityCheck
01-12-2010, 10:39 AM
1. Eric Berry, Tenn
2. Taylor Mays, USC
3. Earl Thomas, Texas
4. Nate Allen, USF
5. Reshad Jones, UGA

phlysac
01-12-2010, 10:41 AM
i agree, he missed a bunch of tackles in the NC game. he also made a few stellar plays against the run, but his tackling was inconsistent and he kept trying for arm tackles. i would still put mays ahead of thomas at this point.

He missed two tackles on the Heisman Trophy winner. Not exactly a travesty.

SuperMcGee
01-12-2010, 10:56 AM
Wouldn't mind if a good talent fell to us, depending on what we do with Scott and plan to do with Whitner. But that would be such a luxury, which we probably can not afford. Then again, we all know that 40% of your picks must be spent on defensive backs.

What really intrigues me is how high up the boards Davonte Shannon could find himself for 2011.

villagewarrior
01-12-2010, 01:07 PM
Very high on Church. I think he's more of a 4th-6th rounder, but I'd LOVE him on the Steelers. Doesn't hurt he is from Pittsburgh.

I was about to ask about Church, looking at some Youtube of him and he seems to really stick his nose in run support, how is his pass coverage? He seems to get his fair share of interceptions.

DiG
01-12-2010, 01:39 PM
I was about to ask about Church, looking at some Youtube of him and he seems to really stick his nose in run support, how is his pass coverage? He seems to get his fair share of interceptions.

IMO he projects as a SS in the NFL. Thats what he has experience playing at Toledo and where he seems to make the most sense. He is definitely an in the box kind of guy although he does pretty decent in coverage. I think he would do fine covering a lot of TEs in the NFL but doesnt have the speed a to cover sideline to sideline.

D-Unit
01-12-2010, 01:40 PM
Somebody break down all of the safety stats for 2009. That would be cool to see!

D-Unit
01-12-2010, 02:54 PM
I think it more likely that players who should have the talent to go higher will slip more than they should based on talent alone.

safety is not a premium draft position and alot of teams will be able to fill their safety needs in later rounds

for example, my expectations would be something like:

1st round: Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, Taylor Mays

2nd round: Chad Jones, Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, Reshad Jones

3rd round: Major Wright, Rennie Curran (SS), Robert Johnson, Darrell Stuckey

4th round: Myron Lewis, TJ Ward, Larry Asante, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah (FS)

5th round: Kam Chancellor, Harry Coleman, Barry Church, Terrell Skinner,

6th round: Darian Stewart, Kyle McCarthy, Myron Rolle, Kurt Coleman

7th round: Justin Woodall, Jonathan Amaya, Russell Anderson, Jordan Lake


This is an exceptionally deep safety class
Best breakdown of the safety class that I've seen. I think Nick Polk is draftable as well.

MizzouBig12
01-12-2010, 02:57 PM
As a Big 12 fan, I saw a lot of Cornhusker football this year, and was wondering why Matt O'Hanlon doesn't show up on anybody's radar. He was fifth in tackles on a good 'Huskers "D" with 69 (39 solo, 30 assists) with a team-high 6 picks, 1 forced fumble, 2 fumble recoveries. His performance is certainly there, and he's a good size for a safety, 5'11", 200 #, a 4.46 40 (top 10) and an insane 3.87 short shuttle with a hoops-like 37" vertical jump.

phlysac
01-12-2010, 03:46 PM
Somebody break down all of the safety stats for 2009. That would be cool to see!

This is pretty difficult because alot of players are listed as CBs DBs and LBs. This is also a list of FBS players only. It is an imperfect list but if you have a player in mind, you can compare.


Tackles (Top-50) Name School Solo Assist Total

Travis Bradshaw RICE 91 31 122
Nick Saenz HOU 62 52 114
Shiloh Keo IDHO 70 39 109
Barry Church TOL 57 41 98
DeAndre McDaniel CLEM 58 40 98
Stephon Hatchett NMSU 52 45 97
Tanner Burns SJSU 53 41 94
Darrell Stuckey KU 59 34 93
Chinonso Echebelem TULN 54 39 93
Tracy Wilson NIU 46 47 93
Jeron Johnson BSU 54 37 91
Kyle McCarthy ND 59 30 89
John Boyett ORE 62 27 89
Taylor Mays USC 45 43 88
Dom Decicco PITT 58 30 88
Davonte Shannon BUFF 45 43 88
Duke Ihenacho SJSU 46 42 88
Hiram Atwater UAB 46 42 88
Shamiel Gary WYO 32 54 86
Torri Williams PUR 55 30 85
Brad Phillips NW 51 34 85
Kendrick Lewis MISS 58 27 85
Frankie Solomon UNM 53 31 84
Tyler Sash IOWA 40 44 84
Derrick Hallman UCF 46 38 84
Sean Richardson VAN 43 41 84
Eric Berry TENN 54 29 83
Harry Coleman LSU 37 45 82
Bo McNally STAN 54 28 82
Alex Knipp BALL 42 40 82
Johnny Brown MISS 47 34 81
Nate Allen USF 39 41 80
Catron Gainey DUKE 44 35 79
James Brindley USU 46 32 78
Mike Newton BUFF 47 30 77
Larry Asante NEB 40 37 77
Morgan Burnett GT 40 37 77
Michael Holmes SYR 56 21 77
Tank Calais LT 38 39 77
Delano Howell STAN 52 25 77
Matt Daniels DUKE 51 24 75
Jordan Kovacs MICH 39 36 75
Xavier Hicks Jr. WSU 46 28 74
Jerico Nelson ARK 38 36 74
Chad Jones LSU 37 36 73
Lance Mitchell ORST 44 29 73
Jamie Robinson FSU 51 21 72
Alphonso Powell NMSU 41 31 72
Matt Harris ARK 39 32 71
Max Suter SYR 48 23 71



Interceptions (Top-50)

Rahim Moore UCLA 10
DeAndre McDaniel CLEM 8
Earl Thomas TEX 8
Mark Barron ALA 7
Matt O'Hanlon NEB 6
Deunta Williams UNC 6
Robert Johnson UTAH 6
Tyler Sash IOWA 6
Blake Gideon TEX 6
Rashard Hall CLEM 6
Gerald Moore OHIO 6
Kyle McCarthy ND 5
Kurt Coleman OSU 5
Robert Vaughn CONN 5
Nate Allen USF 5
Jamail Berry WMU 5
Deon Young LT 4
Jamie Robinson FSU 4
Will Harris USC 4
Austin Thomas IND 4
Greg James ULM 4
Jeron Johnson BSU 4
Reshad Jones UGA 4
Sean Baker BALL 4
Morgan Burnett GT 4
Kevin Brown MTU 4
Wyatt Middleton NAVY 4
Gerren Blount ULL 3
Xavier Hicks Jr. WSU 3
Ryan McFoy ASU 3
Wes Davis BC 3
Shiloh Keo IDHO 3
Calvin Harrison UK 3
James Brindley USU 3
Maurice Rolle ULL 3
Justin Woodall ALA 3
Chad Jones LSU 3
Major Wright FLA 3
Dom Decicco PITT 3
Lance Mitchell ORST 3
Brian Peters NW 3
Michael Holmes SYR 3
Jeremy Kellem MTU 3
Tejay Johnson TCU 3
Jarrell Holman ASU 3
Chaz Thompson LOU 3
John Boyett ORE 3
Patrick Tafua OHIO 3
Brandon Boykin UGA 3
Chase Daniel UAB 3


I wasn't able to find a reliable database for Passes Defensed.

Sacks - Leader had 3
TD's Leader had 2

JohnConner
01-12-2010, 03:51 PM
1. Eric Berry: The guy does it all, great in run support, great in coverage, just great PERIOD

2. Earl Thomas: Does everything Berry can do, just not quite as good.
3. Nate Allen: The most underrated safety in this class, with a good combine just might crack the top half of the first round
4. Kyle McCarthy: The second most underrated safety in this class..lol, good size, fantastic in run support, not as much of a liability in coverage as the media leads us to believe, much better athlete then given credit for.
5. Taylor Mays: Athletic freak, that's about it, boom or bust, I tend to think bust, but the boom factor is just to good to pass up in the late first.

TG7
01-12-2010, 04:11 PM
1. Eric Berry: The guy does it all, great in run support, great in coverage, just great PERIOD

2. Earl Thomas: Does everything Berry can do, just not quite as good.
3. Nate Allen: The most underrated safety in this class, with a good combine just might crack the top half of the first round
4. Kyle McCarthy: The second most underrated safety in this class..lol, good size, fantastic in run support, not as much of a liability in coverage as the media leads us to believe, much better athlete then given credit for.
5. Taylor Mays: Athletic freak, that's about it, boom or bust, I tend to think bust, but the boom factor is just to good to pass up in the late first.

Your gonna get banned dude, how DARE you put some un-athletic, blue collar, lunch pail overachiever like Kyle McCarthy ahead of Taylor Mays..lol half the jerkoffs in this forum rub their pud to his "superior" muscles, you just committed a major infraction, Scott Wright will be looking for you! lol

P-L
01-12-2010, 04:20 PM
Nate Allen, South Florida - 85 tackles (40 solo), 1 TFL, 4 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF
Larry Asante, Nebraska - 79 tackles (42 solo), 0.5 TFL, 6 PD, 2 INT, 2 FF
Eric Berry, Tennessee - 87 tackles (57 solo), 7 TFL, 7 PD, 2 INT, 1 FF, 3 QB hurries
Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech - 85 tackles (48 solo), 4 TFL, 4 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF, 1 blocked kick
Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech - 68 tackles (26 solo), 3 TFL, 5 PD, 2 INT, 0 FF
Chad Jones, LSU - 73 tackles (37 solo), 2.5 TFL, 5 PD, 3 INT, 1 FF, 1 blocked kick
Reshad Jones, Georgia - 73 tackles (44 solo), 4.5 TFL, 7 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF
Taylor Mays, USC - 96 tackles (48 solo), 0 TFL, 3 PD, 1 INT, 0 FF
Darrell Stuckey, Kansas - 93 tackles (63 solo), 3.5 TFL, 2 PD, 1 INT, 1 FF, 1 QB hurry
Earl Thomas, Texas - 65 tackles (46 solo), 4.5 TFL, 10 PD, 8 INT, 1 FF
Major Wright, Florida - 32 tackles (28 solo), 0 TFL, 2 PD, 3 INT, 0 FF

TG7
01-12-2010, 04:22 PM
Nate Allen, South Florida - 85 tackles (40 solo), 1 TFL, 4 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF
Larry Asante, Nebraska - 79 tackles (42 solo), 0.5 TFL, 6 PD, 2 INT, 2 FF
Eric Berry, Tennessee - 87 tackles (57 solo), 7 TFL, 7 PD, 2 INT, 1 FF, 3 QB hurries
Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech - 85 tackles (48 solo), 4 TFL, 4 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF, 1 blocked kick
Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech - 68 tackles (26 solo), 3 TFL, 5 PD, 2 INT, 0 FF
Chad Jones, LSU - 73 tackles (37 solo), 2.5 TFL, 5 PD, 3 INT, 1 FF, 1 blocked kick
Reshad Jones, Georgia - 73 tackles (44 solo), 4.5 TFL, 7 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF
Taylor Mays, USC - 96 tackles (48 solo), 0 TFL, 3 PD, 1 INT, 0 FF
Darrell Stuckey, Kansas - 93 tackles (63 solo), 3.5 TFL, 2 PD, 1 INT, 1 FF, 1 QB hurry
Earl Thomas, Texas - 65 tackles (46 solo), 4.5 TFL, 10 PD, 8 INT, 1 FF
Major Wright, Florida - 32 tackles (28 solo), 0 TFL, 2 PD, 3 INT, 0 FF
Perfect List PL!! All superior black athlete's!! I mean what is JohnConner thinking, putting Klye McCarthy ahead of all of those guys, I mean McCarthy sucks soooo bad, we alllllll no white guys cant play DB, they just have no speeddddddddddzzzzz

Babylon
01-12-2010, 04:25 PM
Nate Allen, South Florida - 85 tackles (40 solo), 1 TFL, 4 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF
Larry Asante, Nebraska - 79 tackles (42 solo), 0.5 TFL, 6 PD, 2 INT, 2 FF
Eric Berry, Tennessee - 87 tackles (57 solo), 7 TFL, 7 PD, 2 INT, 1 FF, 3 QB hurries
Morgan Burnett, Georgia Tech - 85 tackles (48 solo), 4 TFL, 4 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF, 1 blocked kick
Kam Chancellor, Virginia Tech - 68 tackles (26 solo), 3 TFL, 5 PD, 2 INT, 0 FF
Chad Jones, LSU - 73 tackles (37 solo), 2.5 TFL, 5 PD, 3 INT, 1 FF, 1 blocked kick
Reshad Jones, Georgia - 73 tackles (44 solo), 4.5 TFL, 7 PD, 4 INT, 1 FF
Taylor Mays, USC - 96 tackles (48 solo), 0 TFL, 3 PD, 1 INT, 0 FF
Darrell Stuckey, Kansas - 93 tackles (63 solo), 3.5 TFL, 2 PD, 1 INT, 1 FF, 1 QB hurry
Earl Thomas, Texas - 65 tackles (46 solo), 4.5 TFL, 10 PD, 8 INT, 1 FF
Major Wright, Florida - 32 tackles (28 solo), 0 TFL, 2 PD, 3 INT, 0 FF

I dont know if i'd put a ton of stock in numbers for a safety. Some teams will stay away from guys. If someone in here can promise me that Taylor Mays will be available at the #14 pick i'd like to hear it so Seattle can focus on a LT with their first pick.

JohnConner
01-12-2010, 08:10 PM
Your gonna get banned dude, how DARE you put some un-athletic, blue collar, lunch pail overachiever like Kyle McCarthy ahead of Taylor Mays..lol half the jerkoffs in this forum rub their pud to his "superior" muscles, you just committed a major infraction, Scott Wright will be looking for you! lol

lol oooookkkk