The 2010 Big 10 Thread

[Sniper]

New year, one where Michigan makes a bowl game!

[ironman4579]

Just getting the thread subscription for now. I will say Michigan needs to go at least 8-4 during the season for me to have any hope for RichRod. And one of those wins, IMO, MUST be Notre Dame, I think for obvious reasons.

[Sniper]

Just getting the thread subscription for now. I will say Michigan needs to go at least 8-4 during the season for me to have any hope for RichRod. And one of those wins, IMO, MUST be Notre Dame, I think for obvious reasons.

Michigan State is another must-win.

[P-L]

If Michigan goes 9-3 but their three losses are Notre Dame, Michigan State, and Ohio State than I'm not confident Rod is a lock to be coach in 2011.

[ironman4579]

Michigan State is another must-win.

I certainly agree. The reason I think ND is an absolute must win, gotta have it game, is it's going to be Brian Kelly's first year, bringing a new system, with a first year starter that's likely to miss spring practice. For two seasons now, and on into a third, we've been hearing/saying that "Rod just needs his players," and "it takes time to install the system," and "we had no experience." Now I don't really disagree with all that, but if Michigan loses to ND under Kelly, who's basically facing the same issues (possibly to a lesser degree, nothing could be as bad as Sherideath/Threet/Coner), or honestly even finishes with a worse record or lower in the polls, That's going to raise some massive questions about RichRod's future at Michigan.

And of course I agree with PL. I'd also throw Penn State into the mix as well. Even though they might not be a "true" rival, they were a team Michigan had seemed almost incapable of losing to for so many years, and we've been massacred by them the last two seasons.

[yo123]

Looking forward to losing in another Insight Bowl.

[Hines]

Penn State's season might be long, but I think they'll end up winning 8 games. They'll have to rely on their running game a lot. The front 7 will be young, but could be very talented.

[bearsfan_51]

From the last thread:

It's never too early to think about 2010!!! I'll probably edit this when the 2010 thread is up, but I felt like looking ahead to next year. I'll finish the write-ups later. I got sleepy.

1) Ohio State

-Barring any unexpected junior declarements OSU will return practically everyone next year, with Kurt Coleman being the biggest loss. They will, and should be, the clear #1 next year.

Key Losses: Thaddeus Gibson, DE- Kurt Coleman, S- Ray Small-PR, Austin Spitler-LB
Top returners: Terrelle Pryor, QB- Cameron Heyward, DL, Brandon Saine, RB- Justin Boren, G

2) Wisconsin

-Wisconsin was a bit of a surprise team last year, and if John Clay returns they should be even better in 2010. Schofield and Graham were both key players in '09, but there should be enough talent to pick up the slack, particularly if Tolzein and Toon continue to improve. This pick is highly dependent upon Clay returning though.

Key Losses: O'Brien Schofield, DE- Garrett Graham, TE- Chris Maragos, DB- Jaevery McFadden, LB
Key Returners: John Clay, RB- John Moffit, G- Jay Valai, DB- Chris Borland, LB-Scott Tolzein, QB- Nick Toon, WR

3) Iowa

-Next up is Iowa, which loses quite a bit more than OSU and Wisconsin, but returns a fair amount as well. A few mediocre recruiting classes could inhibit their ability to make up the difference in 2010. The offensive line takes a big hit and the loss of Angerer and Edds hurts as well. If Clayborn declares, they dip more. The defense should be top notch again, but Stanzi will need to improve. Iowa and Wisconsin are real close to me, I could go either way.

Key Losses: Dace Richardson, G- Bryan Bulaga, OT- Amari Spievey, CB-Tony Moeaki, TE- Rafael Eubanks, C- A.J. Edds, LB- Kyle Calloway, OT
Key Returners: Adrian Clayborn, DE- Tyler Sash, S- Brett Greenwood, DB, Derrell Johnson-Koulianos, WR

4) Penn State

- Penn State loses a ton, and it'll be interested to see how quickly they can fill the gaps.

Key Losses: Darryl Clark, QB- Navorro Bowman, LB - Jarred Odrick, DT- Sean Lee, LB- Dennis Landolt, OT- Josh Hull, LB
Key Returners: Steve Wisniewski, C-Evan Royster, RB - Derek Moye, WR- Drew Astorino, DB- Jack Crawford, DL

5) Michigan State

-Michigan State was a big dissapointment in 2009, but outside of Blair White the core of the team is still in-tact. Kirk Cousins should improve in his 2nd year, and has the tools around him to make some noise. The defense is still a big question mark, so hopefully Greg Jones returns.

Key Losses: Blair White, WR- Joel Nitchman, C- Trevor Anderson, DE- Jeremy Ware, CB
Key Returners: Greg Jones, LB- Kirk Cousins, QB- Keshawn Martin, WR- Charlie Gantt, TE- Joel Foreman, G- Chris Rucker, CB

6) Purdue

Key Losses: Joey Elliot, QB- David Pender, CB- Brandon King, CB- Mike Neal, DT
Key Returners: Robert Marve, QB- Ralph Bolden, RB- Keith Smith, WR- Ryan Kerrigan, DE- Kyle Adams

7) Michigan

Key Losses: Brandon Graham, DE- Donovan Warren, CB- Zoltan Mesko, P- Brandon Minor, RB, Stevie Brown, LB
Key Returners- Tate Forcier, QB- Denard Robinson, QB- Roy Roundtree, WR- Ryan VanBergen, DT, Obi Ezeh, LB

8) Minnesota

Key Losses: Eric Decker, WR- Lee Campbell, LB- Traye Simmons, CB- Nick Tow-Arnett, TE
Key Returners: Adam Weber, QB- Marquies Gray, QB- Duane Bennett- RB, Kim Royston, S- Kyle Theret, S

9) Illinois

Key Losses: Arrelious Benn, WR- Juice Williams, QB- Jon Asamoah, G
Key Returners: Mikel LeShoure, RB- Clay Nurse, DL-Jason Ford, RB- Corey Liget, DL

10) Northwestern

Key Losses: Mike Kafka, QB- Correy Wootton-DE, Zeke Markshausen, WR- Sherrick McMannis, CB, Brad Phillips, S
Key Returners: Vince Browne, DE- Quentin Davis, LB- Al Nutter, OL

11) Indiana

Key Losses: Jammie Kirlew, DE- Greg Middleton, DE- Ray Fisher, CB- Matt Mayberry, LB- Rodger Saffold, OT
Key Returners: Tandon Doss, WR- Ben Chappell, QB- Demarlo Belcher, WR- Darius Willis, RB

[iowatreat54]

I still am a fervent believer that Tolzien is not good. I know he had a solid season in his first year starting, but I will never believe he makes good decisions to be a good QB. At least Americanzi when **** goes haywire, it's because he makes terrible throws, not terrible decisions.

Maybe it's just because I still can't get over Tolzien throwing 7 picks against my HS. Which was awesome btw.

[Sniper]

Key Returners- Obi Ezeh, LB

Hahahahahahahahahhahahaha.

[princefielder28]

Wisconsin is going to have Rose Bowl expectations and I'm not sure they can get there unless they can find someone to replace Schofield as a big time pass rusher and help hide some of our weaknesses in the secondary.

[Sniper]

Key Returnees for Michigan

QB Tate Forcier
WR Roy Roundtree
WR Martavious Odoms
WR Daryl Stonum (for kick return purposes)
OG Patrick Omameh
OG Steve Schilling
OC Dave Molk (let's hope it's with a functional knee)

DT Mike Martin
DE/DT Ryan Van Bergen
OLB Craig Roh
CB/S Troy Woolfolk

Yes, our defense sucks.

[iowatreat54]

Key Returnees for Michigan

QB Tate Forcier
WR Roy Roundtree
WR Martavious Odoms
WR Daryl Stonum (for kick return purposes)
OG Patrick Omameh
OG Steve Schilling
OC Dave Molk (let's hope it's with a functional knee)

DT Mike Martin
DE/DT Ryan Van Bergen
OLB Craig Roh
CB/S Troy Woolfolk

Yes, our defense sucks.

The real question is, will you still not cover the TE? It seems like a solid gameplan, I think it should be employed. ;)

[diabsoule]

As an Big Ten outsider looking in, it seems to me that the winner of the Iowa/Ohio State game will win the Big Ten. Not like that statement is going out on a limb much in predicting the Big Ten champ.

[Hines]

Key Returnees for Michigan

QB Tate Forcier
WR Roy Roundtree
WR Martavious Odoms
WR Daryl Stonum (for kick return purposes)
OG Patrick Omameh
OG Steve Schilling
OC Dave Molk (let's hope it's with a functional knee)

DT Mike Martin
DE/DT Ryan Van Bergen
OLB Craig Roh
CB/S Troy Woolfolk

Yes, our defense sucks.

Martin doesn't suck. He's a monster.

[Sniper]

The real question is, will you still not cover the TE? It seems like a solid gameplan, I think it should be employed. ;)

Don't you fret. We haven't covered the TE since 1997.

Martin doesn't suck. He's a monster.

Martin is good. Roh looks like he'll be good, as do RVB and Woolfolk. The rest are absurdly unproven or have proven to suck. Obi Ezeh, Jonas Mouton, Jordan Kovacs, Mike Williams, Brandon Smith and Kevin Leach all proved that the suck. Actually, to project UM's starting defense (for now)...

DE- Ryan Van Bergen (decent)
NT- Will Campbell (unproven)
DT- Mike Martin (decent)
OLB- Craig Roh (decent)
ILB- Jonas Mouton (TEH SUCKZ)
ILB- Kevin Leach/Obi Ezeh/J.B Fitzgerald (sucks, sucks, unproven)
OLB- Brandin Hawthorne/Isaiah Bell/Mike Jones (unproven x 3)
CB- Justin Turner (unproven)
FS- Marvin Robinson (unproven)
SS- Vlad Emilien (unproven)
CB- J.T Floyd (sucks)

Nothing really awe-inspiring here.

[Hines]

Has Roh gained any weight? When I saw him in high school, he looked to be 220 max.

[Sniper]

Has Roh gained any weight? When I saw him in high school, he looked to be 220 max.

I don't know. I think he played at 230-235 last year. Is it sad that he was arguably our second-best coverage LB last year? I say yes.

[Marino13]

I don't know. I think he played at 230-235 last year. Is it sad that he was arguably our second-best coverage LB last year? I say yes.

considering he was a guy many thought would RS to bulk up to play DE and one of our other LBs was recruited as a CB and played 3 years at safety? yes.

And I don't think Kevin Leach sucks Sniper. He's not great, but he isn't gonna make the mistakes like Ezeh and Mouton.

[Sniper]

And I don't think Kevin Leach sucks Sniper. He's not great, but he isn't gonna make the mistakes like Ezeh and Mouton.

Ok, let's put it this way. Compared to Ezeh and Mouton, Leach is adequate. By D-1 standards, he's not good.

[Michigan]

DE- Ryan Van Bergen (decent)
NT- Will Campbell (unproven)
DT- Mike Martin (decent)
OLB- Craig Roh (decent)
ILB- Jonas Mouton (TEH SUCKZ)
ILB- Kevin Leach/Obi Ezeh/J.B Fitzgerald (sucks, sucks, unproven)
OLB- Brandin Hawthorne/Isaiah Bell/Mike Jones (unproven x 3)
CB- Justin Turner (unproven)
FS- Marvin Robinson (unproven)
SS- Vlad Emilien (unproven)
CB- J.T Floyd (sucks)

Nothing really awe-inspiring here.

This looks like a 2nd string Michigan defense.

[bearsfan_51]

I know Michigan fans think Ezeh sucks, but he was a big part of the team last year, which is why I listed him.

[RufusMcDaniel]

Don't you fret. We haven't covered the TE since 1997.



Martin is good. Roh looks like he'll be good, as do RVB and Woolfolk. The rest are absurdly unproven or have proven to suck. Obi Ezeh, Jonas Mouton, Jordan Kovacs, Mike Williams, Brandon Smith and Kevin Leach all proved that the suck. Actually, to project UM's starting defense (for now)...

DE- Ryan Van Bergen (decent)
NT- Will Campbell (unproven)
DT- Mike Martin (decent)
OLB- Craig Roh (decent)
ILB- Jonas Mouton (TEH SUCKZ)
ILB- Kevin Leach/Obi Ezeh/J.B Fitzgerald (sucks, sucks, unproven)
OLB- Brandin Hawthorne/Isaiah Bell/Mike Jones (unproven x 3)
CB- Justin Turner (unproven)
FS- Marvin Robinson (unproven)
SS- Vlad Emilien (unproven)
CB- J.T Floyd (sucks)

Nothing really awe-inspiring here.

Missing Woolfolk, who will be our "veteran" in the secondary. I sure hope Turner is as good as advertised.

[Marino13]

I know Michigan fans think Ezeh sucks, but he was a big part of the team last year, which is why I listed him.

he may have been a big part of the team... but he still sucked. Can't cover, can't blitz, can't shed a block. But he can tackle 10 yards down the field.

[prock]

time for another 6-6 year for the gophers, yeah buddy!

[bearsfan_51]

6-6 would actually be pretty decent for Minnesota considering how many underclassmen we'll be starting.

[Smokey Joe]

Once again, NU gets no respect, even though the team really isn't losing anyone. Persa should pick up the slack at QB, Wootton didnt do much at NU outside of his Junior season, McManis was just decent, and Brewer and Zeke were solid, but NU has always produced solid collegiate recievers...

NU is only getting better, and once again, they are being predicted to finish in the bottom half of the Big Ten.

[bearsfan_51]

It's probably more just by me. Northwestern has had a nice year the past 2 years, but they don't recruit well, and there just isn't enough of a track record for me to take them seriously. There isn't a huge gap in my mind between the 5-10 teams, but Northwestern is at the bottom for me.

[prock]

6-6 would actually be pretty decent for Minnesota considering how many underclassmen we'll be starting.

adam weber sucks, can we just start gray already?!?!?

[Sniper]

Missing Woolfolk, who will be our "veteran" in the secondary. I sure hope Turner is as good as advertised.

****. I always forget someone. Put him in Floyd's spot. Still, he's not exactly Chuck Woodson (PBHN).

[Sniper]

I know Michigan fans think Ezeh sucks, but he was a big part of the team last year, which is why I listed him.

Depends on how you define "big part". He was a big part of missed tackles, blown assignments, horrible zone drops and the worst LB play I've ever seen at UM. He certainly wasn't good...ever.

[keylime_5]

ya know there is a very real possibility that OSU will have two freshman WRs this year on the field from PA both named Corey Brown, about the same size as well.

http://ohiostate.scout.com/a.z?s=145&p=8&c=1&nid=3721635
http://ohiostate.scout.com/a.z?s=145&p=8&c=1&nid=2628657

[ToldLikeItIs]

Iowa is going to have three McMillan's next year on roster.

Treat, Steel..

Next year COULD, and it depends on a few things in the offseason, be the best year in Hawkeye history.

[Hines]

ya know there is a very real possibility that OSU will have two freshman WRs this year on the field from PA both named Corey Brown, about the same size as well.

http://ohiostate.scout.com/a.z?s=145&p=8&c=1&nid=3721635
http://ohiostate.scout.com/a.z?s=145&p=8&c=1&nid=2628657

When did they move the older Brown to WR? I thought he'd be a great CB. Isn't that fast, but awesome COD skills.

[Hines]

Iowa is going to have three McMillan's next year on roster.

Treat, Steel..

Next year COULD, and it depends on a few things in the offseason, be the best year in Hawkeye history.

Hate to rain on your parade, but don't you say that EVERY year?

[ToldLikeItIs]

I said it this year. Next year we're going to be better.

[keylime_5]

When did they move the older Brown to WR? I thought he'd be a great CB. Isn't that fast, but awesome COD skills.

and awesome ball skills. I think they just recently did it...as in he was playing corner in bowl practices. I always thought he'd be a great free safety myself, we'll see how long he stays at WR. He tore up the Hawaii-Mainland allstar game last year at cornerback, but he was very good in the AAA game in San Antonio at WR too.

[steelernation77]

Hate to rain on your parade, but don't you say that EVERY year?

He said it before last year and it was one of the best years in Hawkeye history. Looking at what we had returning last year, I felt the same way. Everybody on this board called him a homer, and while this may be somewhat true, many of you are just haters.

Looking at Iowa's roster for next year, I can easily see a Big Ten championship and I think we should be in NC talk.

[Hines]

He said it before last year and it was one of the best years in Hawkeye history. Looking at what we had returning last year, I felt the same way. Everybody on this board called him a homer, and while this may be somewhat true, many of you are just haters.

Looking at Iowa's roster for next year, I can easily see a Big Ten championship and I think we should be in NC talk.

I'm not hating on him, but I was just asking because I swear I've seen him say that a lot.

[keylime_5]

Ohio State moved it's season opener against Marshall to Thursday night...and all the fans are pissed.

[djp]

Ohio State moved it's season opener against Marshall to Thursday night...and all the fans are pissed.

I'm excited for that OSU-UMiami game next year.. should be an absolute dandy with 2 loaded teams facing each other.

Of course, I will get to see replays of "The Call" 150 times in the week leading to/during game.

[MaxV]

Penn State's season might be long, but I think they'll end up winning 8 games. They'll have to rely on their running game a lot. The front 7 will be young, but could be very talented.

It'll be a rebuilding year, no doubt. I'm just hoping for a winning season and a solid bowl.

[HindSight]

I'm not hating on him, but I was just asking because I swear I've seen him say that a lot.
He says it every year.

[JFLO]

Ohio State WR/KR Lamarr Thomas transferred to New Mexico.

There were rumors circulating that his transfer was imminent due to lack of playing time.

[Smooth Criminal]

He should transfer. He wasn't likely to see alot of time at receiver here ever. Theres so many young receivers on the roster in front of him.

[keylime_5]

just not a natural receiver i guess considering he was a RB in high school. He has been the starting kick return man since he was a true freshman though, so there are a lot of guys who had a lot less PT than him. He should've redshirted in 2008 clearly.

[Sniper]

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigan-quarterback-tate-forcier-rehabbing-shoulder-injury-battling-staph-infection/

The shoulder injury Michigan quarterback Tate Forcier played through last season was a slightly torn right labrum, a person familiar with the injury said Friday.

Forcier was diagnosed with the injury when he underwent an MRI while home for Christmas break. He’s rehabbing the shoulder now and doesn’t need surgery, and he’s also recovering from a staph infection in his right knee, the person said.

Continued...

[Silver & Blue]

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/michigan-quarterback-tate-forcier-rehabbing-shoulder-injury-battling-staph-infection/

I read that earlier, that injury combined with his inexperience as a freshman is probably the reason he played as bad as he did in the second half of the season. Hopefully he is completely healed up when next season starts.

[cdmPSU17]

Very interesting spring game for PSU this year. If Paul Jones impresses the staff he could start at QB from day one. I'm not a huge fan of Kevin Newsome--he's a good runner but I'd rather see us try to take shots downfield with our tall receivers to open up the run game for Royster.

[Hines]

Very interesting spring game for PSU this year. If Paul Jones impresses the staff he could start at QB from day one. I'm not a huge fan of Kevin Newsome--he's a good runner but I'd rather see us try to take shots downfield with our tall receivers to open up the run game for Royster.

Whoever the quarterback is, I bet we will see a heavy dose of Royster, Green, and whoever.

[Marino13]

I read that earlier, that injury combined with his inexperience as a freshman is probably the reason he played as bad as he did in the second half of the season. Hopefully he is completely healed up when next season starts.

Rumors were he was struggling a bit with grades towards the end of the season to. I think the injuries Tate had, the loss of Molk for the season, Minor and Brown getting injured...again, and really a lack of a recieving game outside of Roundtree all contributed.

Plus, when Tate and Molk both got hurt Rich Rod started running more with Tate (and Shoelace) than just letting Tate pass.

[keylime_5]

Whoever the quarterback is, I bet we will see a heavy dose of Royster, Green, and whoever.

I wonder who (lattimore) you have in mind there.

[Hines]

I wonder who (lattimore) you have in mind there.

Redd, Suhey, Beachum(if healthy), Carter. But yes, if Lattimore is commiting to PSU, I think he's going to get carries.

[MiWolves]

Denard Robinson ran a 6.81 in the 60 yard dash.. holy shiznit.. he needs to play WR or CB.

[Sniper]

Denard Robinson ran a 6.81 in the 60 yard dash.. holy shiznit.. he needs to play WR or CB.

He's fairly fast.

[Hines]

He's fairly fast.

Does he have running from the police speed like how an announcer describe Chris Johnson?

[Sniper]

Does he have running from the police speed like how an announcer describe Chris Johnson?

Denard Robinson makes Usain Bolt look slow.

[MaxV]

Redd, Suhey, Beachum(if healthy), Carter. But yes, if Lattimore is commiting to PSU, I think he's going to get carries.

I'd like to see Curtis Dukes get carries next year also. He's a very talented back also.

[Hines]

I'd like to see Curtis Dukes get carries next year also. He's a very talented back also.

I read he might move to FB. Do not quote me, though.

[coordinator0]

There needs to be more Michigan State in this thread... ok that's enough :). I like what I saw from Cousins this season (besides throwing the ball when defenders are hanging all over him), but our secondary is just atrocious. Losing Ware won't help that any.

[Sniper]

There needs to be more Michigan State in this thread...

There would be, but all of their players are busy beating up fellow students.

[cdmPSU17]

I read he might move to FB. Do not quote me, though.

From what I've heard, Dukes is in the doghouse with the coaching staff. Don't expect him to get many carries regardless of position.

[redbills]

Is it just me or is tOSU LB core stacked?

Adam Homan, Ross Homan, Dorian Bell, Storm Klein, Tyler Moeller, Brian Rolle, Etienne Sabino, Andrew Sweat, Jordan Whiting.

[Sniper]

Is it just me or is tOSU LB core stacked?

Adam Homan, Ross Homan, Dorian Bell, Storm Klein, Tyler Moeller, Brian Rolle, Etienne Sabino, Andrew Sweat, Jordan Whiting.

Absolutely ridiculous. They're stacked pretty much everywhere on defense.

[gstock05]

I see this year as a reloading year for PSU. I think they'll be competitive, but I don't see them getting more than 9 wins. One thing you can say about PSU is barring a gap of talent, they win the games that they should win all the time. They don't get upset really.


I think PSU is going to be very good in 2011-2012, but we'll see where things go.

[gstock05]

Is it just me or is tOSU LB core stacked?

Adam Homan, Ross Homan, Dorian Bell, Storm Klein, Tyler Moeller, Brian Rolle, Etienne Sabino, Andrew Sweat, Jordan Whiting.



It's easy to recruit great talent when you constantly have one of the best defenses in the NCAA, and star linebackers are being produced from that system on a consistent basis.

[Race for the Heisman]

It's easy to recruit great talent when you constantly have one of the best defenses in the NCAA, and star linebackers are being produced from that system on a consistent basis.

To be fair, it's not entirely a matter of recruiting. Guys like A.J Hawk, James Laurinaitis, Brian Rolle, and Tyler Moeller, among others, were all three star recruits or lower.

[steelernation77]

To be fair, it's not entirely a matter of recruiting. Guys like A.J Hawk, James Laurinaitis, Brian Rolle, and Tyler Moeller, among others, were all three star recruits or lower.

It's not hard when you are the only game in a state as big and with as much football talent as Ohio.

[Sniper]

It's not hard when you are the only game in a state as big and with as much football talent as Ohio.

Hawk is from Ohio, but the others aren't. Laurinaitis is from Minnesota and Rolle and Moeller are from Florida.

[T.Smith]

Is it just me or is tOSU LB core stacked?

Adam Homan, Ross Homan, Dorian Bell, Storm Klein, Tyler Moeller, Brian Rolle, Etienne Sabino, Andrew Sweat, Jordan Whiting.

Yes, If Noeller comes back he is probably our best Linebacker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDDeMNxaWe8 @ 55 seconds in

Although I would like to see him moved to the Star Position that Hines played.
I think Bino Steps in for Spitler, and im still waiting for Bells chance, he is going to be a hell of a player and leader imo.

It could all be shaken up if Hicks decides to come here, and with recent interviews of him, there is a good chance of him coming(Texas is still looking like the option) Hicks Bell and Bino would be one hell of a line backing corp, like freaky as hell.

[keylime_5]

It doesn't sound like Moeller will be doing much until fall at the earliest, and he is smaller so I expect him to play the STAR that Hines has played the past two years (Hines should be playing strong safety now fulltime as kurt coleman's replacement). Moeller looked amazing at STAR in the last couple games of 2008 and last spring - but getting major head injuries and losing weight from not working out is hard to come back from, at least in tip top form. That should give Sabino the oppurtunity to lock down the SLB spot. Nice little depth chart at LB next year:

WLB-Ross Homan, Andrew Sweat, Jordan Hicks?, Scott McVey
MLB-Brian Rolle, Storm Klein, Jordan Whiting
SLB-Etienne Sabino, Tyler Moeller, Dorian Bell, Jamel Turner

plus Jonathan Newsome, who might move to DE.

[RyanBraun8]

I pumped for UW next season, beside for having to watch the worse most overrated crap QB in the Big Ten throw the ball all season. Tolzien is aweful and the real stud, Phillips is forced to ride the bench.... ughh beside for that they should be damn good.

Denard Robinson is a stud and they need to us him everywhere. Put him at RB/WR/Wildcat/KR he is just so explosive with the ball. I'm all for Rich-Rod using him sparingly again this season as just a back-up QB and Wildcat. As a Badger fan that would be a dream. The less Robinson touches the ball the better.

[HindSight]

dude......what?

[Spartan4224]

There would be, but all of their players are busy beating up fellow students.

Sorry that our athletes aren't hanging out in their general studies classes all day!
scUM: come here for a great education in a field that no one will hire you in. Not even your own alumni.

[Sniper]

Sorry that our athletes aren't hanging out in their general studies classes all day!
scUM: come here for a great education in a field that no one will hire you in. Not even your own alumni.

You're right. Beating up kids is much more impressive. Maybe some time in general studies would help you come up with creative nicknames for Michigan. Misdemeanor State University fans...not too creative.

Someday, MSU will move up in academic standards past a JUCO level.

Michigan State- Come here and get a terrible education in any field.

[Hines]

You're right. Beating up kids is much more impressive. Maybe some time in general studies would help you come up with creative nicknames for Michigan. Misdemeanor State University fans...not too creative.

Someday, MSU will move up in academic standards past a JUCO level.

Michigan State- Come here and get a terrible education in any field.

And to learn how to fight!

[Sniper]

And to learn how to attack unsuspecting students who have maybe half of your strength

Edited for accuracy.

[P-L]

scUM was cute at first, but it's been so overused that it makes those who use it look stupid. But hey, I'm glad you think so highly of us that you need to give us a nickname.

[Spartan4224]

You're right. Beating up kids is much more impressive. Maybe some time in general studies would help you come up with creative nicknames for Michigan. Misdemeanor State University fans...not too creative.

Someday, MSU will move up in academic standards past a JUCO level.

Michigan State- Come here and get a terrible education in any field.

Looks like I touched a sore spot. Not like Michigan doesn't have it's fair share of deliquents. The strories just get spun and pushed under the rug. By the way...do Michigan players still peep in windows and jerk off! I'd rather have players that stand up for each other than peeping toms, but maybe you like pervs.

[Spartan4224]

Edited for accuracy.

Just like your guy who sneaks up behind someone and suplexes them onto the pavement. At least our guys confronted the persons of interest face-to-face.

[Spartan4224]

scUM was cute at first, but it's been so overused that it makes those who use it look stupid. But hey, I'm glad you think so highly of us that you need to give us a nickname.

it's always funny to me, and by the way, I graduated from the college I root for. And there's a 95% chance you did not. But who am I to judge...I'm stupid.

[Marino13]

it's always funny to me, and by the way, I graduated from the college I root for. And there's a 95% chance you did not. But who am I to judge...I'm stupid.

glad you are on the same page with everybody else.

[Sniper]

Just like your guy who sneaks up behind someone and suplexes them onto the pavement. At least our guys confronted the persons of interest face-to-face.

That's good. Only MSU fans could excuse having someone who was in jail play for them.

By the way...do Michigan players still peep in windows and jerk off!

I can definitely tell you went to Michigan State after that sentence. Correct grammar and punctuation FTW! To answer your question, no. I'm glad you had to find something that happened last decade, though.

I'd rather have players that stand up for each other than peeping toms, but maybe you like pervs.

I'd rather have a coach who disciplines players than whatever the hell it is Mark Dantonio does.

[Spartan4224]

That's good. Only MSU fans could excuse having someone who was in jail play for them.



I can definitely tell you went to Michigan State after that sentence. Correct grammar and punctuation FTW! To answer your question, no. I'm glad you had to find something that happened last decade, though.



I'd rather have a coach who disciplines players than whatever the hell it is Mark Dantonio does.

Sorry I'm not some tight ass when it comes to typing on a blog...only a scUM fan would talk about grammer. U got my point else u wouldn't have responded. And u talk about discipline...Dantonio suspended the guys that just showed up to the fight and kicked the guys off that were directly involved in the fight. Get your facts straight before u try to argue your point. And last decade...I guess u mean 2009 (bobacar) and in that case the fight was also in 2009 in case u forgot. Oh and I think Harrison was at scUM 2006/2007 perv. Sorry for my uneducated grammer I guess I fail the General Studies program. Oh well, I never would have been hired for a decent job with that degree anyways.

Just curious what has Dick Rod done to show he can discipline his players? Scream and yell with profanities. Funny how players are jumping ship left and right. But I guess the once powerful scUM ship is sinking and I would get off too before I dround. See u in the fall.
Oh by the way, hope scUM can at least show up for the BBall game tomorrow. Or do u not recognize scUM as having a BBall team. Because that would be too much to stick with your team when things don't go your way for a couple of years. Next will be the football team. At least u have girls gymnastics.

[bearsfan_51]

No YOUR Mom!! :(

[Sniper]

Sorry I'm not some tight ass when it comes to typing on a blog...only a scUM fan would talk about grammer. U got my point else u wouldn't have responded.

I kin haz englshz gramarz?

And u talk about discipline...Dantonio suspended the guys that just showed up to the fight and kicked the guys off that were directly involved in the fight.

In a stunning and shocking coincidence, none of the guys kicked off the team were any good. Must be a coincidence.

Get your facts straight before u try to argue your point.

I did.

And last decade...I guess u mean 2009 (bobacar) and in that case the fight was also in 2009 in case u forgot.

Boubacar Cissoko was kicked off the team, so I'm not too sure what you're getting at. He certainly wasn't kicked off for showing people his dick.

Oh and I think Harrison was at scUM 2006/2007

scUM was cute at first, but it's been so overused that it makes those who use it look stupid. But hey, I'm glad you think so highly of us that you need to give us a nickname.

Step your game up, Spartan. Go huddle up with your boys at SpartanTailgate, whack it to beating the likes of Nick Sheridan and Jordan Kovacs, and come up with a semi-creative nickname. You were right about Harrison, though. It seems like forever ago.

perv.

Not exactly sure how I'm a perv, but okay.

Sorry for my uneducated grammer

It's okay. It's nice, though. It makes it pretty obvious you graduated from the JUCO in East Lansing.

I guess I fail the General Studies program.

Pretty obvious you wouldn't be able to get into general studies.

Oh well, I never would have been hired for a decent job with that degree anyways.

You're so right. A degree from a JUCO looks much better. :rolleyes:

[Sniper]

It is kind of amusing to see MSU fans defend Dantonio. Let's recap, shall we?

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2009/04/msu_running_back_glenn_winston_1.html

The once-promising football future of Michigan State running back Glenn Winston will remain in doubt while he serves a six-month jail sentence for his involvement in an off-campus fight that left Spartans hockey player A.J. Sturges severely injured.

...

According to the East Lansing police report obtained through the Freedom of Information Act by the State News, MSU's student newspaper, witnesses said Winston punched Sturges and two other bystanders during an altercation in the early-morning hours of Oct. 19.
Sturges, a sophomore defenseman, was hospitalized with a fractured skull and concussion.

then...

http://www.theonlycolors.com/2009/8/10/984523/glenn-winston-is-back-on-the-team

"Glenn has done everything that he's been asked to do from a judicial and team standpoint," Spartans coach Mark Dantonio said. "He has paid the penalty for his actions

Mmmmmmmk, coach.

http://statenews.com/index.php/article/2009/11/police_mum_regarding_rather_hall_altercation

Brent Mitchell, a communication junior who said he was sent to Lansing’s Sparrow Hospital after being punched in the face, said some of the men wore ski masks, but others were recognized as football team members.

“I walked up and said, ‘It isn’t worth it.’ A guy with dreadlocks hit me and in the scuffle slapped, hit females to get them out of the way,” Mitchell said.

Hitting women...very nicely done.

I could continue, but we're getting the point here.

[Spartan4224]

I kin haz englshz gramarz?



In a stunning and shocking coincidence, none of the guys kicked off the team were any good. Must be a coincidence.

Kicked Off: Two starting running backs and sorry the third guy was a backup. Suspended, two starting receivers, a starting guard, and a starting cornerback.
AGAIN GET YOUR DAMN FACTS STRAIGHT. I guess talking out of your ass was a class in the general studies program.

I did.



Boubacar Cissoko was kicked off the team, so I'm not too sure what you're getting at. He certainly wasn't kicked off for showing people his dick.

Kicked off for beating up a women and arrested again recently, which I think was in 2010. NEW DECADE!!!!



Step your game up, Spartan. Go huddle up with your boys at SpartanTailgate, whack it to beating the likes of Nick Sheridan and Jordan Kovacs, and come up with a semi-creative nickname. You were right about Harrison, though. It seems like forever ago.

Sorry u have trouble reading...Harrison's still jerking it in some girls window. If that helps u understand.

Not exactly sure how I'm a perv, but okay.



It's okay. It's nice, though. It makes it pretty obvious you graduated from the JUCO in East Lansing.



Pretty obvious you wouldn't be able to get into general studies.



You're so right. A degree from a JUCO looks much better. :rolleyes:

And where did u go to school? UofM Flint or was it one semester at Mott Community College? (where most of the scUM fans truely go to... if they even went to college)
I think every scUM fan is a genius in his/her own mind. But that's not usually reality. But keep thinking that way and you'll go far.

[Sniper]

Kicked Off: Two starting running backs

Winston was only kicked off after the student beatings in the dorm, despite serving a 180-day jail sentence in the summer. Hey, I guess when you need a running back to replace Javon Ringer, you tend to overlook those things.

Who was the other "starting" RB? Caper and Baker led the team in carries this year, and they're both freshmen and still on the team.

and sorry the third guy was a backup. Suspended, two starting receivers, a starting guard, and a starting cornerback.

As they should have been?

Kicked off for beating up a women and arrested again recently, which I think was in 2010. NEW DECADE!!!!

One woman, two women. Simple, no?

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/cissoko-arrested-for-disorderly-conduct/

After a three- or four-minute pursuit, the driver was asked out of the car and hand-cuffed. Cissoko then began yelling “Leave my boy the (expletive) alone,” the report said, and was arrested when he failed to comply with an officer's orders to stop.

Trying to figure out where a woman was beat up here. Could you help me out?

http://michigansportscenter.com/2010/01/boubacar-cissoko-arrested-for-marijuana-related-offense.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MichiganSportsCenter+(Michigan+ Sports+Center)

Former University of Michigan cornerback Boubacar Cissoko was arrested in Ypsilanti on Friday night after he consented to a search and police found marijuana.

Cissoko was taken to the Ypsilanti Police Department, “where he confessed intent to sell the marijuana,” according to the incident log. Cissoko, who has yet to be charged, was released.

Former, in this case, means "no longer on the team", and therefore not the team's responsibility.

Sorry u have trouble reading...Harrison's still jerking it in some girls window. If that helps u understand.

No, he's not. And, go ahead. Y and O are pretty close to the U. You can spell it out. Y-O-U. In this case, the window and girl go together, so it's girl's window, or girls' window if it's multiple girls. Just trying to help.

And where did u go to school? UofM Flint or was it one semester at Mott Community College? (where most of the scUM fans truely go to... if they even went to college)

I went to a school where I learned to write. West Chester University of Pennsylvania.

Also, truly, not truely.

Congrats, though, you've just doubled my ignore list for me. Pretty awesome stuff.

[Spartan4224]

It is kind of amusing to see MSU fans defend Dantonio. Let's recap, shall we?

http://www.mlive.com/spartans/index.ssf/2009/04/msu_running_back_glenn_winston_1.html



then...

http://www.theonlycolors.com/2009/8/10/984523/glenn-winston-is-back-on-the-team

Police mum regarding Rather Hall altercation

Mmmmmmmk, coach.

http://statenews.com/index.php/article/2009/11/police_mum_regarding_rather_hall_altercation



Hitting women...very nicely done.

I could continue, but we're getting the point here.

Police mum regarding Rather Hall altercation

Did you even look at the title of the article. Those quotes came from one of the victims in the fight. There was no ski masks worn. A couple of the guys had winter caps on (maybe cause it was cold outside...sorry to state the obvious) And women were never hit unlike what BoboCar did. The women were trying to restrain the players and they were pushing them out of the way to get to the guys they wanted to fight. I guess this is the first time the media has spun a story to make it sound worse than what it was to sell papers. All this was was a college fight that happened to include football players. Should they be disciplined...Yes...Were they disciplined...Yes...If you think they got off easy than just look at your Fab Five Basketball team and tell me who got off easier? SMU's football team got the death penalty for doing less than the Fab Five.

[Spartan4224]

Winston was only kicked off after the student beatings in the dorm, despite serving a 180-day jail sentence in the summer. Hey, I guess when you need a running back to replace Javon Ringer, you tend to overlook those things.

Was giving the guy a second chance because he was defending a teammate that was beat up ealier in the night (still a bad decision). Dantonio later apologized for allowing him back on the team after the second fight. I guess U never got a second chance from anyone or are U sooo perfect that you've done nothing wrong?

Who was the other "starting" RB? Caper and Baker led the team in carries this year, and they're both freshmen and still on the team.

Ashton Leggett: Started the Western Game running for 180 yards and 3 touchdowns



As they should have been?



One woman, two women. Simple, no?

The point is not how many. The point is they never hit a woman. If they did there would have been a police report and most likely a hospital report for the crime. And that would have taken prescident over the fight with the frat guys. Also there was video footage of the fight so the hearsay from the victim in the article doesn't mean ****!
http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/cissoko-arrested-for-disorderly-conduct/



Trying to figure out where a woman was beat up here. Could you help me out?

http://michigansportscenter.com/2010/01/boubacar-cissoko-arrested-for-marijuana-related-offense.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+MichiganSportsCenter+(Michigan+ Sports+Center)



Former, in this case, means "no longer on the team", and therefore not the team's responsibility.



No, he's not. And, go ahead. Y and O are pretty close to the U. You can spell it out. Y-O-U. In this case, the window and girl go together, so it's girl's window, or girls' window if it's multiple girls. Just trying to help.



I went to a school where I learned to write. West Chester University of Pennsylvania.

Also, truly, not truely.

Congrats, though, you've just doubled my ignore list for me. Pretty awesome stuff.

I'm trying to figure out what would be a better nickname for U.
The "Professor" because U R sooooooo damn smart spending all your energy on grammer. or the "Slander Man" because your arguments have no basis besides an article U googled that was full of lies and half truths.

[bearsfan_51]

The "Professor"
It's taken.

[steelernation77]

Guys, guys, can't we just agree that Michigan State and Michigan both suck?

[ironman4579]

Sorry I'm not some tight ass when it comes to typing on a blog...only a scUM fan would talk about grammer. U got my point else u wouldn't have responded. And u talk about discipline...Dantonio suspended the guys that just showed up to the fight and kicked the guys off that were directly involved in the fight. Get your facts straight before u try to argue your point. And last decade...I guess u mean 2009 (bobacar) and in that case the fight was also in 2009 in case u forgot. Oh and I think Harrison was at scUM 2006/2007 perv. Sorry for my uneducated grammer I guess I fail the General Studies program. Oh well, I never would have been hired for a decent job with that degree anyways.

Just curious what has Dick Rod done to show he can discipline his players? Scream and yell with profanities. Funny how players are jumping ship left and right. But I guess the once powerful scUM ship is sinking and I would get off too before I dround. See u in the fall.
Oh by the way, hope scUM can at least show up for the BBall game tomorrow. Or do u not recognize scUM as having a BBall team. Because that would be too much to stick with your team when things don't go your way for a couple of years. Next will be the football team. At least u have girls gymnastics.

Wait, wait. You went to university and this is how you spell drowned?

You realize attending Bovine University doesn't count, right?

[Sniper]

Wait, wait. You went to university and this is how you spell drowned?

You realize attending Bovine University doesn't count, right?

The ignore list is a fantastic creation. ;) Don't bother wasting time with a guy who claims he's a college graduate who spells like that and still thinks that scUM is funny. There are some insults to Michigan that I find creative. scUM stopped being one of those a long time ago. So now, I just can't read his posts, and it's awesome.

In today's Lansing State Journal,

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20100126/GW01/1260316

Two more Michigan State football players have been identified and will face charges in a Nov. 22 fight at a campus dormitory - and one of them is a starter who played in the Jan. 2 Alamo Bowl.

Junior defensive tackle Oren Wilson, who started in the Alamo Bowl, faces one count of misdemeanor assault and one count of misdemeanor conspiracy to commit assault. Redshirt freshman receiver Myles White, who was suspended for the game for a separate incident, faces the same charges.

Continued...

[ironman4579]

The ignore list is a fantastic creation. ;) Don't bother wasting time with a guy who claims he's a college graduate who spells like that and still thinks that scUM is funny. There are some insults to Michigan that I find creative. scUM stopped being one of those a long time ago. So now, I just can't read his posts, and it's awesome.


Pretty much. Second person added to my ignore list!

[iowatreat54]

This video was made for Iowa students, but it applies to the rest of the Big XI as well:

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[ToldLikeItIs]

Cj is going to play early next year.

[WhiteRat]

Can someone explain why MSU fans are in an uproar over their new Spartan logo? The changes are somewhat subtle, so what's the big deal?

[bearsfan_51]

People are dumb.

[gstock05]

Guys, guys, can't we just agree that Michigan State and Michigan both suck?

LOL. It's like watching two midgets duke it out.

[DeathbyStat]

I bet that Ohio State goes undefeated next season and plays for the national title

[HindSight]

I bet that Ohio State goes undefeated next season and plays for the national title
I'll take that bet

[JoeJoeBrown]

I'll take that bet

Yeah, that's a good bet. While I think OSU has a shot, Iowa and Wiscy on the road are going to be tough. Statistically, it's pretty damn hard for any team to go undefeated.

[Sniper]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/01/28/msu-suspensions.ap/index.html

Two more Michigan State football players have pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and battery charges stemming from a Nov. 22 campus fight.
Receivers B.J. Cunningham and Mark Dell entered the pleas in district court Wednesday. Conspiracy charges against both players were dropped.
Both are scheduled for sentencing March 8. An assault charge could bring up to 93 days in jail.
Cunningham and Dell are among 11 current or former Spartans facing assault charges from the fight with members of a campus fraternity.
Running back Ashton Leggett pleaded guilty to two counts of assault earlier this month. He's transferring from Michigan State to Illinois State.

[JoeJoeBrown]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/football/ncaa/01/28/msu-suspensions.ap/index.html

It's good to see UM fans can still have fun with football. Albeit via schadenfreude fed by other team's suspensions.

[Sniper]

It's good to see UM fans can still have fun with football. Albeit via schadenfreude fed by other team's suspensions.

I just post the news. :D

[Sniper]

http://www.starcourier.com/sports/x690802907/Josh-Brent-enrolls-in-community-college-wont-be-eligible-for-spring-drills

Illinois DT Josh Brent will miss spring practice because he transferred to a community college to improve his grades.

http://northwestern.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1046473

WR Martin Bayless is transferring from Northwestern.

[sweetness34]

The Zook train keeps rolling along. :rolleyes:

Wow, going from the Rose Bowl to this is just unbelievable. I still think Paul Petrino is our next coach in waiting. Zook needs to shut his mouth and let the assistants do the work. Be like Joe Pa. :D

[Sniper]

Rank your team's top 10 2010 recruits!

1. QB Devin Gardner
2. S Marvin Robinson
3. S Demar Dorsey
4. CB Cullen Christian
5. P Will Hagerup
6. WR Ricardo Miller
7. DE Jibreel Black
8. DE/LB Ken Wilkins
9. DT Richard Ash
10. DT Terry Talbott

[MaxV]

Penn State:

1. Silas Redd (RB)
2. Khairi Fortt (LB)
3. Paul Jones (QB)
4. Zach Zwinak (FB/RB)
5. Mike Hull (MLB)
6. Robert Bolden (QB)
7. CJ Olaniyan (DE)
8. Alex Kenney (ATH)
9. Evan Hailes (DT)
10. Kevin Haplea (TE)

[Marino13]

Rank your team's top 10 2010 recruits!

1. QB Devin Gardner
2. S Marvin Robinson
3. S Demar Dorsey
4. CB Cullen Christian
5. P Will Hagerup
6. WR Ricardo Miller
7. DE Jibreel Black
8. DE/LB Ken Wilkins
9. DT Richard Ash
10. DT Terry Talbott

Looks about right for now, but I think down the road the rankings will look like this...

1.Devin Gardner QB
2.Cullen Christian CB
3.Demar Dorsey S
4.Marvin Robinson S
5.Josh Furman Spinner (based on his athleticism)
6.DE Kenny Wilkins
7.DE Jibreel Black
8.Carvin Johnson S
9. Jake Ryan LB
10.Richard Ash DT

A bunch of our recruits have very high ceilings, but are still developing

[HindSight]

Jibreel Black is the 7th best player in your class? That's sad.

[Sniper]

Jibreel Black is the 7th best player in your class? That's sad.

Could be worse. We could have Robert Bolden as the sixth-best! :D

[keylime_5]

1-Andrew Norwell
2-Roderick Smith
3-Corey Brown
4-Jamel Turner
5-James Louis
6-Christian Bryant
7-Scott McVey
8-JT Moore
9-Carlos Hyde
10-Tyrone Williams/Darryl Baldwin tie

[HindSight]

banging on penn state.
if there's a quicker way to my heart, I don't know what it is. :D

[MaxV]

Could be worse. We could have Robert Bolden as the sixth-best! :D

Oooohhh, snap. Nice one.

I'm glad you put Hagerup as your 5th best. He'll have a very productive career. ;)

[Sniper]

Oooohhh, snap. Nice one.

I'm glad you put Hagerup as your 5th best. He'll have a very productive career. ;)

Hagerup's a tank. :D

Bolden is ******* garbage. He's great in 7 on 7s and such, but garbage in games.

[Hines]

Hagerup's a tank. :D

Bolden is ******* garbage. He's great in 7 on 7s and such, but garbage in games.

Kinda would help if his team wasn't absolute garbage.

That said:

1) Mike Hull
2) PJ Jones
3) Khari Fortt
4) Silas Redd
5) Tom Ricketts
6) Robert Bolden
7) Daquan Jones
8) Evan Hailes
9) Alex Kenney
10) Dakota Royer

[ToldLikeItIs]

1 - AJ Derby
2 - CJ Fiedorowicz
3 - James Morris
4 - Bj Lowery
5 - Andrew Donnal
6 - Louis Trinca Pasat
7 - Don Shumpert
8 - Tanner Miller
9 - Jonny Mullings
10 - Anthony Ferguson

[MaxV]

Kinda would help if his team wasn't absolute garbage.

That said:

1) Mike Hull
2) PJ Jones
3) Khari Fortt
4) Silas Redd
5) Tom Ricketts
6) Robert Bolden
7) Daquan Jones
8) Evan Hailes
9) Alex Kenney
10) Dakota Royer

Please tell me you made a mistake of not including Zach Zwinak. Please.

Dude, Double Z is a BEAST. He is EXACTLY what JoePa looks for in a back.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Rank your team's top 10 2010 recruits!

1. QB Devin Gardner
2. S Marvin Robinson
3. S Demar Dorsey
4. CB Cullen Christian
5. P Will Hagerup
6. WR Ricardo Miller
7. DE Jibreel Black
8. DE/LB Ken Wilkins
9. DT Richard Ash
10. DT Terry Talbott

That's a pretty good top 10. I have to give RRod props. His back is up against the wall and he got some kids with serious potential.

Will Gardner push Forcier? Also, is shoelaces getting moved out of the QB position?

[JoeJoeBrown]

1-Andrew Norwell
2-Roderick Smith
3-Corey Brown
4-Jamel Turner
5-James Louis
6-Christian Bryant
7-Scott McVey
8-JT Moore
9-Carlos Hyde
10-Tyrone Williams/Darryl Baldwin tie

I hope Rod Smith can figure out pass blocking early. I think he's going to be special.

[Sniper]

Will Gardner push Forcier?

I certainly hope not. I want Gardner to redshirt.

Also, is shoelaces getting moved out of the QB position?

Tying in with the first comment, I hope not in 2010. That way, Gardner can redshirt. He needs to bulk up a bit, fix his throwing mechanics and get acclimated to the college game. In 2011, I'd like to see Robinson moved to WR/PR/KR, assuming Gardner has progressed.

Is Andrew Norwell expected to be a RT or LT?

[skarocksoi]

Please tell me you made a mistake of not including Zach Zwinak. Please.

Dude, Double Z is a BEAST. He is EXACTLY what JoePa looks for in a back.

ZZ Tops baby. I'm probably gonna go nuts the first time he lights someone up on a block.

[keylime_5]

I certainly hope not. I want Gardner to redshirt.



Tying in with the first comment, I hope not in 2010. That way, Gardner can redshirt. He needs to bulk up a bit, fix his throwing mechanics and get acclimated to the college game. In 2011, I'd like to see Robinson moved to WR/PR/KR, assuming Gardner has progressed.

Is Andrew Norwell expected to be a RT or LT?

Norwell can play all 5 spots. They'll put him where they need him, but his best fit is probably at right tackle.

[JoeJoeBrown]

I certainly hope not. I want Gardner to redshirt.



Tying in with the first comment, I hope not in 2010. That way, Gardner can redshirt. He needs to bulk up a bit, fix his throwing mechanics and get acclimated to the college game. In 2011, I'd like to see Robinson moved to WR/PR/KR, assuming Gardner has progressed.

Is Andrew Norwell expected to be a RT or LT?

All signs point to RT, but with how the line has panned out over the last few seasons, it's anyone's guess.

I also agree that it would be wise to RS Gardner. He has the chance to be an awesome QB if given the time.

[Hines]

It would not surprise me if Gardner started over Tator Tot. I'd RS him, but RR might not.

[redbills]

Tyrone Williams is an interesting guy. Some sites have him 6'7.
Key5 anything on the kid?

[keylime_5]

project who is a legit 6'7"/215. Very raw, but extreme upside. James Hardy-esque.

[JoeJoeBrown]

project who is a legit 6'7"/215. Very raw, but extreme upside. James Hardy-esque.

He's also just 17 and supposedly still growing. He is supposed to be decently fast, especially for someone that tall.

High passes in the red zone would be awlsum.

[redbills]

project who is a legit 6'7"/215. Very raw, but extreme upside. James Hardy-esque.

Cool, hope he becomes half of what Hardy was he was a beast.

[keylime_5]

a guy on the ozone who's every post is about the SEC just started a new blog. He's an OSU fan, but it's all about how bad the SEC is with oversiging:

http://www.oversigning.com/


the chart near the top is interesting. shows the sole reason why the SEC is the most deep, talented conference every year now - has nothing to do with more speed in the south than the north or west. Could you imagine how good Ohio State or USC or Texas would be if they signed 28 kids a year like Auburn does?

[JoeJoeBrown]

a guy on the ozone who's every post is about the SEC just started a new blog. He's an OSU fan, but it's all about how bad the SEC is with oversiging:

http://www.oversigning.com/


the chart near the top is interesting. shows the sole reason why the SEC is the most deep, talented conference every year now - has nothing to do with more speed in the south than the north or west. Could you imagine how good Ohio State or USC or Texas would be if they signed 28 kids a year like Auburn does?

It's not the sole reason, but it's one very big reason. Many of those schools let in lots of kids that barely qualify. Whereas I was making fun of UM for taking Dorsey, there are teams that have tons of guys that are just like him.

The other big difference between the SEC and most of the rest of CFB is that there are lots of good DTs that are on those teams.

Also, I think it's a pretty great site idea. I'm glad that guy is doing it. Too much oversigning is going on out there. Something needs to be done about it. Raising awareness about just how dirty some of these programs are with cutting kids is a good thing.

[Sniper]

It would not surprise me if Gardner started over Tator Tot. I'd RS him, but RR might not.

It would shock me if Gardner started over Tate. Now that Tate's healthy, he's going to go back to leading us to come-from-behind victories!!!!!!!!! Seriously, though, Tate's torn labrum + Molk's torn ACL + Minor and Brown always being hurt + no established WR = not good for Michigan. Hopefully, Molk, Tate, and Vincent Smith are all healthy for the fall.

[ironman4579]

Gardner needs the redshirt to get his throwing mechanics back to where they were at the beginning of the year. They really degenerated as the season went along. He was shotputting by the end of the season.

[Spartan4224]

I just post the news. :D
So post the news about Dorsey if you're so high and mighty!

[Spartan4224]

University of Michigan star recruit Demar Dorsey confessed to 2 Florida burglaries in 2007, records show
By Jim Schaefer
Free Press Staff Writer

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Buzz up!Single-page viewNext Page1| 2Previous PageUniversity of Michigan star recruit Demar Dorsey confessed to burglarizing two homes in one day in South Florida in 2007, according to police reports and interviews.




Dorsey’s admissions, outlined in police reports obtained by the Free Press, contrast with the portrait drawn of Dorsey’s actions by Michigan Coach Rich Rodriguez.

He suggested Wednesday that Dorsey was a teenager who simply found himself in a bad spot in twice being arrested on felony charges, including an unrelated robbery case in which he was acquitted.

“You have to look into why he was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Rodriguez said of Dorsey on national signing day.

Exclusive interview: "I'm not that person who I was," says Dorsey.

Rodriguez said his staff carefully examined recruits’ backgrounds, and urged reporters to do the same and not rely on Internet gossip about players’ pasts.

The records obtained today by the Free Press portray Dorsey as an active participant in the November 2007 burglaries, down to the football gloves he wore to prevent his fingerprints from being left at the scene. In one, the homeowner later identified Dorsey as one of the people who broke into his home.

Dorsey, who was 16 at the time, was charged but not convicted. Instead, he was put through a diversion program for juvenile offenders at the behest of the Broward County State Attorney’s Office.

The Free Press also learned today that Dorsey was arrested in another burglary, this one in June 2007. He got a break then, too, with prosecutors sending him to the diversion program.

Michigan officials declined to comment on the latest disclosures about Dorsey.

“Michigan has already commented about the recruits and we have nothing further to add at this time,” a Michigan athletic department spokesman said today.

[MiWolves]

University of Michigan star recruit Demar Dorsey confessed to 2 Florida burglaries in 2007, records show
By Jim Schaefer
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Buzz up!Single-page viewNext Page1| 2Previous PageUniversity of Michigan star recruit Demar Dorsey confessed to burglarizing two homes in one day in South Florida in 2007, according to police reports and interviews.




Dorsey’s admissions, outlined in police reports obtained by the Free Press, contrast with the portrait drawn of Dorsey’s actions by Michigan Coach Rich Rodriguez.

He suggested Wednesday that Dorsey was a teenager who simply found himself in a bad spot in twice being arrested on felony charges, including an unrelated robbery case in which he was acquitted.

“You have to look into why he was in the wrong place at the wrong time,” Rodriguez said of Dorsey on national signing day.

Exclusive interview: "I'm not that person who I was," says Dorsey.

Rodriguez said his staff carefully examined recruits’ backgrounds, and urged reporters to do the same and not rely on Internet gossip about players’ pasts.

The records obtained today by the Free Press portray Dorsey as an active participant in the November 2007 burglaries, down to the football gloves he wore to prevent his fingerprints from being left at the scene. In one, the homeowner later identified Dorsey as one of the people who broke into his home.

Dorsey, who was 16 at the time, was charged but not convicted. Instead, he was put through a diversion program for juvenile offenders at the behest of the Broward County State Attorney’s Office.

The Free Press also learned today that Dorsey was arrested in another burglary, this one in June 2007. He got a break then, too, with prosecutors sending him to the diversion program.

Michigan officials declined to comment on the latest disclosures about Dorsey.

“Michigan has already commented about the recruits and we have nothing further to add at this time,” a Michigan athletic department spokesman said today.

Its been 2 years since he done that have you heard any news about him lately? no. stop trying to downgrade a 18 year old achievements to get yourself more recognition ****.

[Sniper]

Its been 2 years since he done that have you heard any news about him lately? no. stop trying to downgrade a 18 year old achievements to get yourself more recognition ****.

Spartan4224 obsessing over Michigan? It can't be. :rolleyes: Just put him on your ignore list. That's what I did. Now, I don't have to see any of his mindless drivel.

http://mgoblog.com/content/breaking-breaking-out

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1049065

My favorite snippet here...

When Michigan State running back Glenn Winston committed a crime markedly worse than Dorsey's -- it was 1) violent and 2) resulted in a conviction and jail time - and was immediately allowed to return to the team, nobody at the Free Press questioned coach mark Dantonio's ethics. When Winston committed a subsequent assault, columnist Michael Rosenberg objected mildly, "he might have to take a tougher stand the next time a player gets in trouble."

[P-L]

Spartan4224 obsessing over Michigan? It can't be. :rolleyes:
What I love most about being a Michigan fan is that Michigan State and their fans obsess over us. They are all more concerned with what Michigan is doing than what their own damn team is doing. Go to their Scout.com football free board and look at the first four threads. Two of them are titled "Free Press on Dorsey ???" and "RR's record @ scUM." Then we go on over to the Rivals free board and see topics like this:

POLL: Will Demar Dorsey ever play a down of football for Michigan
Question for Michigan fans
Jalen did more than "sit" on the Block S
I just got blacklisted on the Michigan board
Michigan board loves the idea of 96 teams in the Big Dance (link)
DeShawn Sims thinks the Michigan colors are blue and gold
lmao at michigan and ohio state
Why didn't Michigan State take over Crysler Arena
Manny Harris- Don't bring a knife to a fist fight

and my favorite one, although not relevant to the discussion...

How bad do we destroy the Badgers on Tuesday

Out of 47 topics on the first page 9 of them (almost 20%) are about Michigan. That is pathetic.

[djp]

What I love most about being a Michigan fan is that Michigan State and their fans obsess over us. They are all more concerned with what Michigan is doing than what their own damn team is doing. Go to their Scout.com football free board and look at the first four threads. Two of them are titled "Free Press on Dorsey ???" and "RR's record @ scUM." Then we go on over to the Rivals free board and see topics like this:

POLL: Will Demar Dorsey ever play a down of football for Michigan
Question for Michigan fans
Jalen did more than "sit" on the Block S
I just got blacklisted on the Michigan board
Michigan board loves the idea of 96 teams in the Big Dance (link)
DeShawn Sims thinks the Michigan colors are blue and gold
lmao at michigan and ohio state
Why didn't Michigan State take over Crysler Arena
Manny Harris- Don't bring a knife to a fist fight

and my favorite one, although not relevant to the discussion...

How bad do we destroy the Badgers on Tuesday

Out of 47 topics on the first page 9 of them (almost 20%) are about Michigan. That is pathetic.

It's like that pretty much everywhere, though

[bearsfan_51]

I think for the most part sports fans are either hypocrites or indifferent when it comes to the criminal activities of the players on their favorite teams. It's a complete waste of time to have the argument when neither side is willing to do it in good faith.

[MiWolves]

I think for the most part sports fans are either hypocrites or indifferent when it comes to the criminal activities of the players on their favorite teams. It's a complete waste of time to have the argument when neither side is willing to do it in good faith.

Exactly. I would say the same thing if the "criminal" was on a rival or any team. The fact that people for judging a 17-19 year old for things they did when they were in high school pisses me off sure, they might get a bad rep but they have college to change. If the guy did it in college then that might be a problem but not in high school cmon now. People like spartan and Drew Sharp piss me off.

[HindSight]

It would shock me if Gardner started over Tate. Now that Tate's healthy, he's going to go back to leading us to come-from-behind victories!!!!!!!!! Seriously, though, Tate's torn labrum + Molk's torn ACL + Minor and Brown always being hurt + no established WR = not good for Michigan. Hopefully, Molk, Tate, and Vincent Smith are all healthy for the fall.
Tater can be as healthy as a horse for the fall.....it's never going to matter. He's way too tiny and way too fragile to ever make it through an entire year.

[steelernation77]

Since you all love Iowa player gushing:

"Which opposing defensive lineman gave you the toughest head-to-head matchup during your career?"

"Everson Griffen was good, Brandon Graham was better, but this year Adrian Clayborn was by far the toughest head-to-head matchup. Next year he will be this year’s Suh."
-OSU tackle Jim Cordle

http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2010/02/catching-up-with-jim-cordle.html

[keylime_5]

Clayborn ate Cordle's lunch this year in that Iowa/OSU game. He didn't have to go against Schofield though in the Wisconsin game. I think he was hurt that week and Mike Adams was in there.

[bearsfan_51]

Exactly. I would say the same thing if the "criminal" was on a rival or any team. The fact that people for judging a 17-19 year old for things they did when they were in high school pisses me off sure, they might get a bad rep but they have college to change. If the guy did it in college then that might be a problem but not in high school cmon now. People like spartan and Drew Sharp piss me off.
You definitely didn't understand what I said.

I think it's totally fine to judge people based off of criminal activity, I just think it's a waste of time here because most people are homers and will make exceptions for their own players.

[Spartan4224]

Exactly. I would say the same thing if the "criminal" was on a rival or any team. The fact that people for judging a 17-19 year old for things they did when they were in high school pisses me off sure, they might get a bad rep but they have college to change. If the guy did it in college then that might be a problem but not in high school cmon now. People like spartan and Drew Sharp piss me off.

Oh so if some 17-19 year old pulls a gun on you and robs you he's fine cause he will change in college. Give me a F***in break scUM logic is such a joke. He's been in more trouble at 18 then Pac Man Jones has in his 20 plus years and I bet there's not one scUM fan that defended him. I would much rather defend a kid that gets in a fight to protect teamates then a kid who robs someone (mutilple times) with one being an armed robbery. This elitest bullsh** needs to quit. How many times has Michigan been in trouble as a program or with individual players in the last 20 years! But fans like you are the first ones to try and justify what your team did wrong and judge every other program. You know the most ironic thing about what has happend is, that scUM fans tried to spread the lies that some MSU players were wearing ski masks in the fight (which they were not) yet Dorsey was caught with stolen goods, gloves, and a SKI MASK in his car. Now how about them apples. The Greatest and Best my a$$ just ask Michigan alumni Jim Harbaugh. But what would he know...he only went through all lies that the Univeristy of Michigan spues to its athletes and actually came clean. But he's just bitter...now insert excuse here. Something you are all good at!

[Spartan4224]

Spartan4224 obsessing over Michigan? It can't be. :rolleyes: Just put him on your ignore list. That's what I did. Now, I don't have to see any of his mindless drivel.

http://mgoblog.com/content/breaking-breaking-out

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1049065

My favorite snippet here...

Oh what...I'm just stating the facts! Isn't that what you said. But now that the shoes on the other foot you piece of $hit, its drivel. Facts only work when it defends scUm...right. Then it's drivel if it exploits them. Can't have it both ways MORON!!!

[Spartan4224]

Its been 2 years since he done that have you heard any news about him lately? no. stop trying to downgrade a 18 year old achievements to get yourself more recognition ****.

So why does DICK ROD lie and say he was never in trouble and that Florida never pulled his scholarship. More lies by the GREATEST AND BEST!!!

[bearsfan_51]

Spartan.....you suck dude. If you can't find something else to talk about, don't post here.

[Spartan4224]

What I love most about being a Michigan fan is that Michigan State and their fans obsess over us. They are all more concerned with what Michigan is doing than what their own damn team is doing. Go to their Scout.com football free board and look at the first four threads. Two of them are titled "Free Press on Dorsey ???" and "RR's record @ scUM." Then we go on over to the Rivals free board and see topics like this:

POLL: Will Demar Dorsey ever play a down of football for Michigan
Question for Michigan fans
Jalen did more than "sit" on the Block S
I just got blacklisted on the Michigan board
Michigan board loves the idea of 96 teams in the Big Dance (link)
DeShawn Sims thinks the Michigan colors are blue and gold
lmao at michigan and ohio state
Why didn't Michigan State take over Crysler Arena
Manny Harris- Don't bring a knife to a fist fight

and my favorite one, although not relevant to the discussion...

How bad do we destroy the Badgers on Tuesday

Out of 47 topics on the first page 9 of them (almost 20%) are about Michigan. That is pathetic.

The part of Michigan I obsess about is all the lies and ********. Your house of cards is crumbling and all you can do is lash out at other teams to hide the fact that your team isn't what you want it to be. I'm glad scUM took Dorsey cause he's just another crack in the wall. Dick Rod is John L's younger and more hypocritcal brother and as a fan I know how John L turned out for MSU. The only question is can scUM recover after Dick Rod is gone? I really would hope to keep a rivalry in football going unlike in basketball. But maybe scUm can pay another FAB FIVE to turn the basketball program around. LOL!!!

[HindSight]

I believe their ridiculous mantra is Leaders and the Best, not Greatest and the Best.

[MiWolves]

So why does DICK ROD lie and say he was never in trouble and that Florida never pulled his scholarship. More lies by the GREATEST AND BEST!!!

That was Rich Rod. you were downgrading Demar Dorsey's achievements just because you don't like Michigan. That makes you a horrible person in general.

The part of Michigan I obsess about is all the lies and ********. Your house of cards is crumbling and all you can do is lash out at other teams to hide the fact that your team isn't what you want it to be. I'm glad scUM took Dorsey cause he's just another crack in the wall. Dick Rod is John L's younger and more hypocritcal brother and as a fan I know how John L turned out for MSU. The only question is can scUM recover after Dick Rod is gone? I really would hope to keep a rivalry in football going unlike in basketball. But maybe scUm can pay another FAB FIVE to turn the basketball program around. LOL!!!

Ok..? you do realize that Michigan beats Michigan State in other categories right? Michigan State has some programs that are better then Michigan and it could switched around. Your comment is irrelevant in general because your a dumbass

[Marino13]

you talk about lies. How about mentioning how Drew Sharp lied to Demarr Dorsey and his family about the article he was writing. Saying he was going to write a piece on him trying to redeem himself? Or the FP lying to guys like Stokes last year when they asked about workouts in order to make Michigan look bad?

Also, I don't care what the reason. Any team that has scum like Mark D'Antonio as their HC has no room to call Michigan scUM.

[bearsfan_51]

Take it to PM ladies. Seriously. It's the same damn pointless argument over and over.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Texas to the Big Ten?

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/02/11/texas-to-big-ten-rumors-heat-up/

[iowatreat54]

That would be pretty ridiculous.

Also, it would seemingly give the Big XI balance for an East-West split if they wanted to keep OSU/PSU/Michigan in the East.

[Shane P. Hallam]

That would be pretty ridiculous.

Also, it would seemingly give the Big XI balance for an East-West split if they wanted to keep OSU/PSU/Michigan in the East.

Yeah, but it could be tweaked. I still think you could split Penn State from from OSU/Michigan to keep the balance.

[P-L]

So why does DICK ROD lie and say he was never in trouble and that Florida never pulled his scholarship. More lies by the GREATEST AND BEST!!!
Evidence that Florida pulled his scholarship please. Show me proof (not rumors) that Florida pulled his scholarship or shut up. Dorsey said after signing day that Florida was still recruiting him up until he signed his letter of intent. Could Dorsey have lied? Maybe, but I am not aware of any evidence of it. Rodriguez doesn't work for Florida so he can only go off of what his player told him.

[ToldLikeItIs]

Dorsey has committed two felonies. It ends there. He shouldn't be playing anywhere.

[iowatreat54]

Yeah, but it could be tweaked. I still think you could split Penn State from from OSU/Michigan to keep the balance.

Probably. I would like to see that happen, but for all the people who think you can only split the conference East/West, at least it would make it less like the Big 12 North/South where there's only one division.

[Giantsfan1080]

I don't think it makes any sense for Texas to go the Big 10. They'd lose to many rivalry games which the fans would go apesh*t over.

[keylime_5]

I think they're more likely to get an Eastern team like Pitt or even Boston College before they go towards Nebraska or Texas. They want to get in on some of that New York market. It would be nice to add a super big time team like that though. Getting Texas would mean getting Dallas, Houston, etc. markets.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I don't think it makes any sense for Texas to go the Big 10. They'd lose to many rivalry games which the fans would go apesh*t over.

All about the money. By having the highest paid coach in college, it is costing them more. And the Big Ten TV revenue is a lot more than the Big 12 contract.

[MaxV]

Texas to the Big Ten?

http://ncaafootball.fanhouse.com/2010/02/11/texas-to-big-ten-rumors-heat-up/

Ok, this is a new one.

Now that would be a major robbery.

[Giantsfan1080]

All about the money. By having the highest paid coach in college, it is costing them more. And the Big Ten TV revenue is a lot more than the Big 12 contract.

I know it is but it's still just a move that many fans wouldn't like. I could see it happening though.

[keylime_5]

Truth. They couldn't play AM, Tech, Oklahoma, Nebraska, etc. every year. I guess they could schedule AM and OU permanently like Michigan and USC does with Notre Dame, but it would still be weird.

[Spartan4224]

you talk about lies. How about mentioning how Drew Sharp lied to Demarr Dorsey and his family about the article he was writing. Saying he was going to write a piece on him trying to redeem himself? Or the FP lying to guys like Stokes last year when they asked about workouts in order to make Michigan look bad?

Also, I don't care what the reason. Any team that has scum like Mark D'Antonio as their HC has no room to call Michigan scUM.

Drew Sharp is the slim of the earth he's been doing the same thing to MSU for years.

You can't be serious about Dantonio. He is probably the most down to earth and family oriented coach in Michigan. And by the way scUM is still being investigated on the workout ordeal. So don't act like Michigan is the victim in that case. Dick Rod had problems at West Virginia and now at Michigan. You tell me,other than giving a kid a second chance, what Dantonio has done that was wroing.

[Spartan4224]

Evidence that Florida pulled his scholarship please. Show me proof (not rumors) that Florida pulled his scholarship or shut up. Dorsey said after signing day that Florida was still recruiting him up until he signed his letter of intent. Could Dorsey have lied? Maybe, but I am not aware of any evidence of it. Rodriguez doesn't work for Florida so he can only go off of what his player told him.

Dick Rod said in his post signing interview that they did a full investigation on Dorsey and he was clean on all counts. Then when questioned later on about Dorsey he got defensive and wouldn't answer any more questions. Dick Rod is a liar. And has no integrity.

[Spartan4224]

I believe their ridiculous mantra is Leaders and the Best, not Greatest and the Best.

Shows how obsessive I am with the Michigan program.

[Spartan4224]

Spartan.....you suck dude. If you can't find something else to talk about, don't post here.

Hey I come on this board and all I hear is how MSU is a bunch of thugs. I bring facts to these idots and point out that Michigan is worse in a lot of ways. And I get jumped on. So all I'm doing is making sure these idiots don't get the upper hand and maybe they'll think twice before they blow BS out their a$$. Bring me facts and I'll shut up. But all they can do is talk trash without facts and then think they won. Not happening while I'm here. They shut up and I will to. Trust me I have a lot of other positive points to make about the Big Ten. But not until some so called educated people write something with facts and not emotion. Everything I posted has been true and I could bring up a lot more about Dick Rod and his history as a coach. At least Bo had some integrity. And although I dislike Michigan I could respect him as a coach and a mentor. Dick Rod has none of those qualities and he will be the down fall of the Michigan program.

[iowatreat54]

In order to bring peace to this hostile environment, let us all rejoice around the greatest play of Big XI football during the decade:

(note: either turn down your volume or put on mute because the noise sucks)
-cnoeTvojRY

That's right everyone, that is a **** you safety.

In 2004, up 6-2 (yep, two field goals to one safety) late in the 4th quarter, Iowa decided to take a safety and give the ball back to PSU. Both offenses were so horrible that game that Ferentz felt confident going up only 2 pts and giving PSU the ball and a chance to win late.

Long live the **** You Safety.

[MaxV]

Thank you for reminding me of that epic game.

[skarocksoi]

That game made me want to kill myself. Ugh.

[iowatreat54]

As I was not a fan yet at the time, I did not get to enjoy the awesomeness of how greatly executed of a game that was, especially on offense. I mean, when 2 field goals nets you top scorer, you know it was epic.

But seriously, the **** you safety is so rare that it's awesome. Sure, you see a team take a safety like that when they are up like 11 points or 6 points, where the other team needs more than a TD/FG. But you never see a team give the opposition 2 points and the ball late in the game where a FG will win it.

I would say it's my favorite ever play in a Big XI game, but Sniper probably knows what play that is. Hint: It was more awesome than when he turned water into wine.

[HindSight]

Ok, this is a new one.

Now that would be a major robbery.
Not really new at all. I'm surprised at the number of people who haven't heard of Texas as an option before.

[thetedginnshow]

All about the money. By having the highest paid coach in college, it is costing them more. And the Big Ten TV revenue is a lot more than the Big 12 contract.

Actually, his contract is paid for by the revenue they generate through the football program, so not really. You're right about money being important though. I highly doubt it happens, but we'll see. As for the rivalries, they could still play Oklahoma every year. Texas would kill the Big Ten in baseball every year though.

I don't think it'd make sense to take from the Big East though, at least for the Big East. They're so weak as is, at least in football.

[Giantsfan1080]

Actually, his contract is paid for by the revenue they generate through the football program, so not really. You're right about money being important though. I highly doubt it happens, but we'll see. As for the rivalries, they could still play Oklahoma every year. Texas would kill the Big Ten in baseball every year though.

I don't think it'd make sense to take from the Big East though, at least for the Big East. They're so weak as is, at least in football.

It doesn't matter what happens to the Big East. For all the Big 10 cares the Big East can fold after they pluck a team or two.

[HawkeyeFan]

Is it Big 10 Football yet? My goodness, I keep watching video of the Iowa Hawkeyes and I need 2010 Football to come!

[JoeJoeBrown]

Is it Big 10 Football yet? My goodness, I keep watching video of the Iowa Hawkeyes and I need 2010 Football to come!

It's basketball season!

BTW, Stanzi won me over after he was asked that douchey question about representing the midwest by Chris Meyers after the Orange bowl.

Love it or leave it!

[Sniper]

It's basketball season!

BTW, Stanzi won me over after he was asked that douchey question about representing the midwest by Chris Meyers after the Orange bowl.

Love it or leave it!

Chris Meyers is an asshat. Stanzi ******* owned him. Leman/Stanzi in '12!

http://michigan.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1052838

Michigan OT Taylor Lewan is up to 290 pounds after reporting to UM at 258. I really hope that he can be the next left tackle.

[Hines]

What about Roh? He gain any weight?

[Marino13]

What about Roh? He gain any weight?

from what I've read, he's probably up to about 245, with hopes of being 250-260 by the start of fall practices.

He's staying at OLB though.

[HindSight]

imagine if you didn't have to make all these midgets gain weight and you just recruited bigger kids. wouldn't that be something.

[Sniper]

imagine if you didn't have to make all these midgets gain weight and you just recruited bigger kids. wouldn't that be something.

Imagine if you went a week without trolling something UM-related. Wouldn't that be something?

[Marino13]

imagine if you didn't have to make all these midgets gain weight and you just recruited bigger kids. wouldn't that be something.

well considering Craig Roh was supposed to be a 3rd down pass rusher at best due to his small stature, but became a quality starter at LB (where he never played before) is something good. Originally we wanted him to grow into Brandon Graham's replacement at DE, now he'll probably be a rush LB his entire career so he doesn't have to get to 275.

Also, I wasn't aware 6'4 was a midget.

[HawkeyeFan]

It's basketball season!

BTW, Stanzi won me over after he was asked that douchey question about representing the midwest by Chris Meyers after the Orange bowl.

Love it or leave it!
Psh, F basketball season, haha.

Yeah, Stanzi is the man, I'm one of the biggest supporters of Stanzi you'll find. Fans need to look more into the interceptions, rather than easily assume that it was all Stanzi, especially against Indiana ( I was at the game and know first hand ).

[HindSight]

Imagine if you went a week without trolling something UM-related. Wouldn't that be something?
don't really have to imagine it. I haven't said anything about michigan in a while.

[bearsfan_51]

( I was at the game and know first hand ).
Not to get too technical, but unless you are Ricky Stanzi, that's not first hand.

[Giantsfan1080]

The Big 10 hired a consulting firm to look into expanding the conference. They are looking at 15 teams apparently.

[bearsfan_51]

Too much is being made of the fact that Notre Dame and Texas aren't on the list. They have an open invitation, so to do research would be a waste of time and money. It's like researching if water is wet.

Here's my guess on the 15 schools:

-Missouri
-Syracuse
-Nebraska
-Rutgers
-Pittsburgh
-Colorado
-Kansas
-Connecticut
-Maryland
-Utah
-Virginia
-Colorado State
-Georgia Tech
-Iowa State
-Cincinatti

Two dark horses would be Temple and Rice.

[MaxV]

How about a school like Boston College?

Solid football program in an interesting market.

[bearsfan_51]

Boston College doesn't really work for a few reasons, the biggest being that nobody cares about the team. Maybe being in the Big Ten would change that, but I doubt it.

[George Lippard]

Then why is Minnesota in the Big 10?

Why is it still called the Big 10?

[bearsfan_51]

For starters, because the league was founded about 100 years ago.

Also, we're good at sports people don't care about, and our academics kick ass. Typical B10 school, really.

[MaxV]

Then why is Minnesota in the Big 10?

Why is it still called the Big 10?

Big 11 doesn't quite have as good of a ring to it.

Big Ten. The Big Ten. Awesome

They better not rename it, no matter how many teams join.

[bearsfan_51]

They will. It will be the Midwest Football Conference presented by Fritos.

[keylime_5]

the "Really Big Ten" or the "Big Fifteen." Gotta find a number that isn't taken, so 12 is out.

[MaxV]

They will. It will be the Midwest Football Conference presented by Fritos.

Wow, that's horrible.

[keylime_5]

mmmmmm......fritos

[HindSight]

It will be presented by Rotel and we'll have to watch those god awful commercials until the end of time.

[gstock05]

Realistically, all conferences need to get together, and agree to a total re-alignment that makes more sense. There are some schools the realistically don't belong in their conferences these days, but still are members due to 100 year old traditions. Other schools play at a higher level, yet don't get a BCS bid or an offer to a major conference.


OF course... this will never happen because it be way too difficult...

[bearsfan_51]

Realistically, all conferences need to get together, and agree to a total re-alignment that makes more sense. There are some schools the realistically don't belong in their conferences these days, but still are members due to 100 year old traditions. Other schools play at a higher level, yet don't get a BCS bid or an offer to a major conference.


OF course... this will never happen because it be way too difficult...
It has little to do with tradition and everything to do with money and prestige.

[djp]

It has little to do with tradition and everything to do with money.

Fixed it for you.

[bearsfan_51]

Nawh. The Big Ten cares about academic prestige. If they didn't they would have added a money making school like Kentucky a long time ago and been done with it.

Now, you could definitely make the case that they only care about prestige because it equals more money, but then it's an issue of semantics.

[gstock05]

It has little to do with tradition and everything to do with money and prestige.

If that were the case, Northwestern wouldn't be a part of the Big 10, Vandy would be outta the SEC, Baylor wouldn't be in the Big 12, etc. etc.



I agree money is the biggest issue, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think prestige and tradition have a big influence here.

[ryno626]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4938956


Is there a chance Rich Rod gets the boot depending on the punishment that gets handed down by the NCAA?

[bearsfan_51]

If that were the case, Northwestern wouldn't be a part of the Big 10, Vandy would be outta the SEC, Baylor wouldn't be in the Big 12, etc. etc.



I agree money is the biggest issue, but you're kidding yourself if you don't think prestige and tradition have a big influence here.
Northwestern makes the B10 a lot of money. I work at a Big Ten University, trust me, there are a lot of ways to make money outside of just ticket sales.

[P-L]

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4938956


Is there a chance Rich Rod gets the boot depending on the punishment that gets handed down by the NCAA?
It depends on how hard the NCAA comes down on them. Basically, this is what the NCAA found:

Quality Control assistants supervised voluntary player workouts, advised players on plays/technique, and watched film with the players, which is not allowed.

It's basically very little compared to what the Detroit Free Press accused them. All of the activities in question were voluntary, but according to the NCAA those activities cannot be supervised. Michigan also admitted to going over Sunday practice limits by 20 minutes because of confusion over pre-practice stretching.

It sounds minor (because it is), but apparently the NCAA takes these issues very seriously. Chances are this will end up being a slap on the wrist, but if the NCAA decides to be total dicks and count our basketball probation towards this punishment than it could be much worse.

[iowatreat54]

I think they are probably going to punish Michigan slightly more because of the public's perception of practice related injuries/deaths recently, namely the Ole Miss incident.

The NCAA may want to come out and over react to show that they are serious about the issue.

[iowatreat54]

http://www.press-citizen.com/article/20100304/HAWKS0104/100304004

Adrian Clayborn pleads guilty to disorderly conduct.

Wouldn't be surprised if he has to sit for the season opener vs. Eastern Illinois.

[Sniper]

Nothing huge, but apparently Martavious Odoms beat everybody on the team in the 40 at Michigan's Night of Champions. Yes, everyone, including Denard Robinson. A little surprising.

Also, DE/DT Adam Patterson ran a 4.69. Too bad it doesn't translate to the field.

[ironman4579]

Some interesting stuff from Michigan's spring roster and first Rodriguez presser:

-RB Vincent Smith and C David Molk are out for spring practice recovering from knee injuries. DT Mike Martin is limited to non contact with a shoulder injury. WR Junior Hemingway had recent knee surgery, but will hopefully be back for the end of spring practice.

-Denard Robinson is too valuable to not have on the field. When he's not playing QB, he'll get some reps at WR (which he did at the end of last year as well)

-Cam Gordon has been moved to safety.

-Ryan Van Bergen is listed at DE, and is up to (listed) 6'6" 280. He should be playing Brandon Graham's spot this year. With DT Mike Martin at 6'2" 294, and NT Will Campbell up to 324 at 6'5", the Dline should be about 20 pounds heavier on average this year.

-OT Taylor Lewan is up to 283 from 268 last year. He probably needs another year (sorry Sniper).

-Craig Roh is up to 6'5" 249 from 238 last year. Still listed at LB, but he'll be playing with his hand in the dirt quite a bit apparently as well.

-Michigan has a couple of pretty big RB's. Sophmore Michael Cox is 6'0" 210, and freshman Stephen Hopkins is 6'0" 236. Hopkins is huge. Cox reminds me of Brandon Minor (hopefully without the injuries).

Some other interesting notes:

QB Tate Forcier-Up to 194 from 188
QB Devin Gardner-6'4" 203. I still hope he redshirts.

WR Junior Hemingway-6'1" 227. That's a huge WR.

WR Ricardo Miller-Listed at 6'4" 212. As a recruit he was listed at 6'2"

[P-L]

I also noticed that Isaiah Bell is almost 240. Holy crap!

[Hines]

Some interesting stuff from Michigan's spring roster and first Rodriguez presser:

-RB Vincent Smith and C David Molk are out for spring practice recovering from knee injuries. DT Mike Martin is limited to non contact with a shoulder injury. WR Junior Hemingway had recent knee surgery, but will hopefully be back for the end of spring practice.

-Denard Robinson is too valuable to not have on the field. When he's not playing QB, he'll get some reps at WR (which he did at the end of last year as well)

-Cam Gordon has been moved to safety.

-Ryan Van Bergen is listed at DE, and is up to (listed) 6'6" 280. He should be playing Brandon Graham's spot this year. With DT Mike Martin at 6'2" 294, and NT Will Campbell up to 324 at 6'5", the Dline should be about 20 pounds heavier on average this year.

-OT Taylor Lewan is up to 283 from 268 last year. He probably needs another year (sorry Sniper).

-Craig Roh is up to 6'5" 249 from 238 last year. Still listed at LB, but he'll be playing with his hand in the dirt quite a bit apparently as well.

-Michigan has a couple of pretty big RB's. Sophmore Michael Cox is 6'0" 210, and freshman Stephen Hopkins is 6'0" 236. Hopkins is huge. Cox reminds me of Brandon Minor (hopefully without the injuries).

Some other interesting notes:

QB Tate Forcier-Up to 194 from 188
QB Devin Gardner-6'4" 203. Is still hope he redshirts.

WR Junior Hemingway-6'1" 227. That's a huge WR.

WR Ricardo Miller-Listed at 6'4" 212. As a recruit he was listed at 6'2"

That's what she said. :D

[ryno626]

Denard needs to be on the field as much as possible! Get the ball in his hands please

[Sniper]

Michigan/ND in a night game in 2011! Woo!

[iowatreat54]

Michigan/ND in a night game in 2011! Woo!

Dear god why.

There better be an actual game on that night as well.

[Sniper]

-OT Taylor Lewan is up to 283 from 268 last year. He probably needs another year (sorry Sniper).


We'll see. If he can be 290-295 by fall practice, I still think he can start. A line of Lewan-Schilling-Molk-Barnum-Omameh for this year would be fantastic.

[Sniper]

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20100319/NEWS01/303190017/Ex-MSU-football-player-Jenrette-gets-90-days-in-jail

Fred Smith was sentenced to five days in jail and 18 months of probation. Jamiihr Williams was sentenced to 12 months of probation. Chris L. Rucker was sentenced to 12 months of probation.


Smith, Williams and Rucker also must complete 150 hours of community service.


J'Michael Deane was sentenced to 12 months of probation and 150 hours of community service. He had pleaded guilty to misdemeanor assault and battery. He also must pay $1,043 in court fines and costs, and complete an assaultive behavior program.

[Hines]

Looks like Chaz Powell got moved to corner for spring practices.

[MaxV]

Looks like Chaz Powell got moved to corner for spring practices.

Interesting.

I've always thought he would be better off on defense. His hands and route-running were both mediocre, but he is fast.

I wonder if this opens up the door for Justin Brown to get regular time.

[Hines]

Interesting.

I've always thought he would be better off on defense. His hands and route-running were both mediocre, but he is fast.

I wonder if this opens up the door for Justin Brown to get regular time.

IMO, our starting WRs should be JB, Moye, Drake with Zug, Kuntz, Felder-Mosley, ect vying for PT.

Edit: Forgot Kersey.

[MaxV]

I expect Smith to get playing time at WR also.

[Sniper]

You can't make this **** up...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5021626

Four Michigan State players convicted in last year's residence hall assault have been reinstated for the start of spring practice Tuesday.

Wide receivers Mark Dell and B.J. Cunningham, cornerback Chris L. Rucker and offensive lineman J'Michael Deane all are back with the team after being suspended, coach Mark Dantonio said Tuesday.

Yes, all of the starters were allowed back.

Wide receiver Myles White, who Monday was sentenced to probation and community service, and nose tackle Oren Wilson, who faces sentencing March 31, both will transfer, Dantonio said. The coach said the status of wide receiver Fred Smith, sentenced last week to five days in jail plus probation and community service, won't be determined until his legal situation is resolved.

Looking forward to it.

[Hines]

That, right there, is classless at its finest.

[JoeJoeBrown]

You can't make this **** up...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5021626



Yes, all of the starters were allowed back.



Looking forward to it.

Damn. Pretty slimy of Dantonio.

[iowatreat54]

It would have been more shocking had he said they can never return.

I'm actually surprised he didn't make them captains or something.

[bearsfan_51]

Reports out of spring practice say that Ra'Shede Hageman is the 1st string DE. Beast mode.

[ToldLikeItIs]

Updated Iowa Depth Chart..

I'm pretty excited about some of these gains.

QB - Ricky Stanzi - 6'4 230 (+12)
- James Vandenburg - 6'3 212 (+7)

RB - Adam Robinson - 5'9 205
- Brandon Wegher - 5'11 206
- Jewel Hampton - 5'9 210

FB - Brett Morse - 6'3 238

WR - DJK - 6'1 200
- Colin Sandeman - 6'1 200

WR - Marvin McNutt - 6'4 215
- Keenan Davis - 6'3 215 (+15)

TE - Allen Reisner - 6'3 248 (+15)
- Brad Herman - 6'5 247 (+7)

LT - Riley Reiff - 6'6 300 (+20!)
- Kyle Haganman - 6'5 285

LG - Julian Vandervelde 6'3 300
- Drew Clark 6'4 288 (+18)

C - Josh Koeppel - 6'2 273
- James Ferentz - 6'2 275 (+10)

RG - Adam Gettis - 6'4 280
- Cody Hundertmark 6'4 295 (+15)

RT - Markus Zusevics - 6'5 295 (+20!)
- Nolan MacMillan - 6'6 288

[ToldLikeItIs]

Defense

LE - Broderick Binns - 6'2 261
- Dominic Alvis - 6'4 240

DT - Karl Klug - 6'4 270 (+12!)
- Steve Bigach - 6'3 272

DT - Christian Ballard - 6'5 297 (+12!..Heard it's actually more)
- Mike Daniels - 6'1 275 (+8)

RE - Adrian Clayborn - 6'3 285 (+3..Again, heard he's underlisted)
- LeBron Daniel - 6'2 250

LB - Tyler Nielsen - 6'4 235 (+3)
- Jeff Tarpinian - 6'3 238 (+5)

MLB - Troy Johnson - 6'2 235
- Bruce Davis - 6' 232

SLB - Jeremiha Hunter - 6'2 235
- Jeff Tarpinian 6'3 238

CB - Shaun Prater - 5'11 180 (+5)
- Greg Castillo - 5'11 180

FS - Brett Greenwood - 6' 200
- Nick Nielsen - 6'3 210 (+20!)

SS - Tyler Sash - 6'1 210
- Tom Donatell - 6'2 205

CB - Micah Hyde - 6'1 185 (+15)
- William Lowe - 5'11 180
- Jordan Bernstine - 5'11 205

[Sniper]

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/11259/wilson-gets-jail-time-seeks-return-to-spartans

Rittenberg, what say you?

Michigan State nose tackle Oren Wilson will serve 21 days in jail for his involvement in the November residence hall assault.

Wilson's sentence Wednesday wasn't a major surprise, as he had pleaded guilty to two counts of misdemeanor assault and battery after admitting to kicking one person and punching another in the Nov. 22 incident. He also received 12 months probation and community service.

Blah blah blah...

“Oren’s first choice would be to stay at Michigan State and be on the football team in fall,” Abood said. “He’s the type of guy who would be wanted in the trenches when MSU plays Michigan. He should be back on the football team.”

"My understanding -- and I haven’t heard this from inside Duffy Daugherty [football offices] -- is that everybody involved except [Glenn] Winston and [Roderick] Jenrette -- would have a chance to be reinstated to the team," Abood said. "This is Oren’s first mistake, and I believe he’s a person of character. Hopefully, he will get another chance."

[Sniper]

Anyone think that Penn State might struggle a bit? Road games with Alabama, Ohio State, and Iowa with a new QB seems daunting.

[bearsfan_51]

I think everyone thinks Penn State will struggle a bit. I currently have them 4th, but I could see them dropping lower than that.

[Spartan4224]

You can't make this **** up...

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=5021626



Yes, all of the starters were allowed back.



Looking forward to it.

Four players that were only at the incident. And you forgot to mention starting DT Oren Wilson and starting RB Glenn Winston that were kicked off the team. Is your team that bad that you have to worry about other programs? And if you're a Michigan puke I don't even have to comment on all of the problems happening in A2. Let's see players backing up other players in a fight or......the laundry list of problems going on in A2. I think I'll take MSU's problems anyday!!!
And when Dantonio says transferring it's Dantonio's way of not throwing the kids under the bus like Dick Rod would do. Trust me the one's transferring were kicked off the team, including players who started for MSU. I can't stand when people only know a portion of the facts and then make judgements. By the way how's the sanctions from the NCAA panning out down in A2? Good Luck when everything is finalized!!!

[MaxV]

Anyone think that Penn State might struggle a bit? Road games with Alabama, Ohio State, and Iowa with a new QB seems daunting.

There are only 2 positions that concern me.

Unfortunately, those positions are VERY important (QB and LT).

Yeah, this team could struggle.

[Hines]

There are only 2 positions that concern me.

Unfortunately, those positions are VERY important (QB and LT).

Yeah, this team could struggle.

I am more worried about our defense than our LT IMO. We have a more expierenced OL coming back and a good RB to return.

[Sniper]

I am more worried about our defense than our LT IMO. We have a more expierenced OL coming back and a good RB to return.

It's Penn State, though. They always have a good defense.

[Sniper]

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/11302/purdues-bolden-suffers-serious-knee-injury

Purdue RB Ralph Bolden may be out for the entire season.

[Hines]

It's Penn State, though. They always have a good defense.

True, but losing our top three LBs, are best DLman, and a questionable secondary could lead to some trouble.

[iowatreat54]

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/11302/purdues-bolden-suffers-serious-knee-injury

Purdue RB Ralph Bolden may be out for the entire season.

Ouch.

That sucks for Purdue as Bolden probably would have been one of the best RBs in the conference and probably most of their offense. I would say hopefully they have a backup that can be a competent replacement, but Bolden is the first in a while that was an actual threat.

As for PSU, I think like always they will have a solid D, but having to face Alabama week 2 might be tough for breaking in so many new players. Hopefully, though, they aren't broken in by week 5. :)

[Sniper]

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/11339/illinois-green-breaks-ankle-has-surgery

Illinois RB Justin Green breaks his ankle, will miss the rest of spring practice.

[ToldLikeItIs]

Prater should have a pretty big year.

[HindSight]

http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/11339/illinois-green-breaks-ankle-has-surgery

Illinois RB Justin Green breaks his ankle, will miss the rest of spring practice.
what does this have to do with Michigan State's legal blotter?

:p

[Sniper]

Per MGoBlog...

http://mgoblog.com/content/presser-and-practice-notes-4-6-10-0

DE Will Heininger (right) has torn his ACL and will have surgery to repair it. His status for the fall is dependent on how his rehab progresses.

[sweetness34]

Scheelhaase is the early leader at QB for Illinois. Surprising to say the least. I thought Charest would have the edge right now.

[Sniper]

http://www.timesleader.com/sports/sportsblogs/dereklevarse/Speaking_of_kickers.html

Anthony Fera was cited by Penn State police for purchase/possession of alcohol by a minor on Saturday, according to court documents.

[Hines]

Such a dumbass Fera is. Why not ask one of his teamates?