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Paranoidmoonduck
01-14-2010, 06:59 PM
Now that the deadline for underclassmen to declare is almost upon us, I bring you the first mock I've gotten around to doing all year. You know the drill, all comments are welcome (although I ask that you go easy on any gramatical errors, I wrote this out in one go without revision)...


1. St. Louis Rams : Ndamukong Suh : Defensive Tackle : Nebraska
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This looked to be a pretty great draft to have the #1 pick in until the quarterback class lost two potential top 10 worthy picks in Jake Locker and Ryan Mallett. Now the Rams are faced with the somewhat ugly scenario of having to reach for a quarterback and pass up one of the most impressive defensive tackle prospects we've seen in the past decade. It is entirely possible that the team will wind up falling for either Clausen or Bradford; both are totally capable and have pretty high ceilings in the NFL. But ultimately, with a defensively-minded head coach and the outcry of the fans, I think Suh winds up being the pick.

2. Detroit Lions : Gerald McCoy : Defensive Tackle : Oklahoma
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You have to imagine that Detroit really hopes that the Rams do wind up taking a quarterback, leaving them to pick up the unanimous choice for top player in the draft (it would be the 2007 draft all over again). In this scenario, they still wind up looking pretty good. If not for Suh, McCoy would be my #1 rated player. While considerably more raw than Suh, McCoy's burst off the line and ability to use his hands to great effect have the potential to make him a terror as a pass rushing inside lineman.

3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers : Eric Berry : Safety : Tennessee
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Tampa Bay winds up missing out on a badly needed defensive tackle, but Berry isn't that bad of a consolation prize. Although he has been a bit overvalued by some college football fans, Berry is still one of the best safety prospects in recent memory, one that could thrive in that Tampa defense.

4. Washington Redskins : Jimmy Clausen : Quarterback : Notre Dame
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Although I think the team would be better in 2010 if they kept Jason Campbell here and instead drafted an offensive tackle here like Russell Okung, the new administration is probably going to opt to let Campbell walk and it would be hard to pass on Clausen here. How much scrutiny Clausen will receiver and how that reflects on him remains to be seen, but with the quarterback corps as it is, he's the clear choice to be the first off the board.

5. Kansas City Chiefs : Derrick Morgan : Edge Rusher : Georgia Tech
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I know that most Chiefs fans feel that once Berry is off the board, inside linebacker Rolando McClain is the way to go. Personally, I don't buy it. Newly hired defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel has put together 34 defenses without needing superfluous talent at middle linebacker and the Chiefs pass rush was absolutely pathetic in 2009. Morgan is in the upper range in terms of weight for an edge rushing outside linebacker, but I think it suits his game a little better than asking him to be an every down defensive end.

6. Seattle Seahawks : Russell Okung : Offensive Tackle : Oklahoma State
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Seattle has some pretty broad needs. I could see them going a multiplicity of directions with this pick, especially with the freedom that second pick at 14 gives them. One could argue that they would target a position other than tackle here because of the depth in the first round, and it isn't out of the realm of possibility that we see them take a quarterback or safety or even a runner here, but there's little doubt the team needs an offensive tackle and Okung is generally regarded as being the best in the draft.

7. Cleveland Browns : Joe Haden : Cornerback : Florida
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It's likely that we'll see quite a dramatic shift in terms of how that organization is structured between right now and the draft, but it's clear the team needs a corner to play opposite Eric Wright. Assuming none of the major corners who finished out their contract in 2009 are allowed to hit the market, Haden would be a truly worthwhile investment. While I'm not as high on him as some recent corner prospects, there's plenty of talent and cover ability to make this pick a good one.

8. Oakland Raiders : Taylor Mays : Safety : Southern California
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I know I'm going to catch some flack from my fellow Raider fans for this one. About two-thirds of the way through the season, with Branch playing quite well and Huff having unseated Hiram Eugene as a starter, there didn't seem to be a great need for a safety. Down the stretch, however, Huff fell flat once again and Eugene did nothing to distinguish himself when he was given a chance again. It's hard to tell what line the Raiders are taking with Michael Mitchell, but they don't seem to regard him as the future at FS, which likely means he'll be given the chance to beat out Branch on the strong side moving forward. That leaves two underachievers at FS and a shot at a prospect who matches the Raiders recent moves pretty well. Oakland could just as well make a move for a defensive lineman here or target an offensive tackle to try and shore up that offense.

9. Buffalo Bills : Anthony Davis : Offensive Tackle : Rutgers
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Were I the Bills, I would be quite happy with this pick. Although a little raw, Davis could well be the most talented offensive lineman in the draft, someone who, even if he doesn't excel at left tackle would most likely be excellent on the other side or even inside. I looked hard at quarterback here, but I don't see a fit with Sam Bradford and he's the only logical place to look.

10. Jacksonville Jaguars : Rolando McClain : Inside Linebacker : Alabama
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With Clint Ingram due to be a RFA this offseason and Justin Durant miscast as a middle linebacker, I'd be shocked if the Jags passed on a chance at McClain. McClain isn't quite Patrick Willis as a prospect, but he's smart and provides excellent leadership. He would be a major building block for that defense.

11. Denver Broncos (from Chicago) : Sam Bradford : Quarterback : Oklahoma
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I tossed back and forth between a quarterback or a wide receiver here, but Bradford won out. The team can afford to take it somewhat slow with him since Orton is, for the time being, a decent option and while the potential loss of Brandon Marshall would certainly hurt the team, Bradford would potentially be the bigger addition when compared to, say, Dez Bryant.

12. Miami Dolphins : Dez Bryant : Wide Receiver : Oklahoma State
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I toyed with the idea of an edge rusher here for a bit, but I wouldn't be surprised if the team is comfortable giving Cameron Wake an expanded role in 2010 and they badly need a wideout of Dez's caliber. Certainly, there are a few things to watch out for with Bryant. The behavior that drew the attention of the NCAA doesn't bug me all that much, but Dez lying about it to the committee was monumentally stupid. Either way, Parcells isn't one to harp on past mistakes or to hold them against players this talented.

13. San Francisco 49ers : Jason Pierre-Paul : Edge Rusher : South Florida
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I know a lot of people look at JPP as a defensive end, but his build screams outside linebacker to me. Whether NFL teams agree with me or not will rely heavily on his workout numbers, but it doesn't seem like much of a stretch to suggest he'll do well with that part of the process. His long arms help him control lanes and a wider rushing position would allow him to use those physical attributes to greater effect.

14. Seattle (from Denver) : C.J. Spiller : Tailback : Clemson
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I'll start by saying I have no idea how the Seahawks feel about Justin Forsett. The kid put up over 120 yards both of the times he was given over 15 carries in a game last year. However, Spiller potentially offers a lot more than just rushing yards and unquestionably has a generally higher ceiling than Forsett. With a tackle already in their pocket, I could see Seattle making a move for a safety like Earl Thomas here, but Spiller might prove too tempting.

15. New York Giants : Brian Price : Defensive Tackle : Los Angeles
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Some people might feel this is high for Price. When all is said and done, I think this might be a conservative estimate for his stock. Lot's of people haven't been paying attention to it, but I think Price was every bit as good for the Bruins in 2009 as Sedrick Ellis was for the Trojans in 2007. Obviously, Price is going to have to be one of the most impressive players in the offseason (as far as I know, he has not been invited to the Senior Bowl) to get picked this high or higher, but I think he has the ability. The Giants could use some more inside rush, to be certain, but this pick largely hinges on which direction their defense winds up going, and that appears yet to be decided.

16. San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina) : Bruce Campbell : Offensive Tackle : Maryland
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Yet another potential landing spot for Texas safety Earl Thomas, but I couldn't pass on Campbell here. Assuming he makes it through interviews alright, Campbell has the talent to shoot up draft boards and it's hard to argue that San Francisco couldn't use him.

17. Tennessee Titans : Carlos Dunlap : Defensive End : Florida
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Personally, I'm of the opinion that this is a bit too high for Dunlap, but only a bit. While I'm not a big fan of his game, I think he's better than some make out, if quite inconsistent. Either way, assuming he proves to be on the upper range of the athlete he's expected to be, there's no way he falls too far. Tennessee really could use some more talent on that defensive line, although they might opt for a run stuffer like Dan Williams instead.

18. Pittsburgh Steelers : Brian Bulaga : Offensive Tackle : Iowa
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The Steelers gave up the second most sacks in the NFL last year. No matter what other needs the team has, they desperately need to shore up their pass blocking.

19. Houston Texans : Earl Thomas : Safety : Texas
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Houston finally snags themselves a safety and Thomas finally leaves the board. Honestly, with a lot of teams hurting for safety help, I'd be a bit surprised to see him slip this far, but there's little doubt in my mind that the Texans would pick him given the chance.

20. Atlanta Falcons : Dan Williams : Defensive Tackle : Tennessee
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Despite taking Peria Jerry in the first round last year, it appears that Atlanta could still use help at the defensive tackle spot. Where Williams winds up going bears watching, as I think he was one of the biggest draft ranges of any player that's a threat to go in the first round. I'd say being picked high it towards the upper part of that range, but the general need for defensive tackles his size helps that.

21. Cincinnati Bengals : Jermaine Gresham : Tight End : Oklahoma
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I think I've been projecting the Bengals to pick up a tight end who's a danger in the passing game for years now and they keep passing. I think the degree to which Carson Palmer looked like he needed that safety valve this past year might finally change things in Cincy this time around. Certainly, Gresham has the potential to be an amazing weapon and could be a significant steal here.

22. New England Patriots : Sergio Kindle : Edge Rusher : Texas
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Around this range, the potential edge rushers start to get a bit bunched together, so it will all depend on preference. Any of the edge rushers I have going after this point (as well as a few that didn't make it into the first round) would be legitimate options here. I went with Kindle because he's got enough varied experience to satisfy that Patriots staff and has one of the highest ceilings among the group of remaining pass rushers.

23. Green Bay Packers : Trent Williams : Offensive Tackle : Oklahoma
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People might disagree as to whether Williams is a legitimate left tackle prospect or whether he'd be better relegated to right tackle (he certainly looked stronger on the right side during his career at Oklahoma), but few question his quality as a tackle. It is only that lingering question about him as a blindside pass protector that has him this far down.

24. Philadelphia Eagles : Brandon Graham : Defensive End : Michigan
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I don't really know how the Eagles feel about their pass rush situation. Cole and Parker combined for over 20 sacks in 2009, but they didn't get great production from elsewhere. Beyond that, I think Graham is a great fit for this defense and that Graham himself is one of the more underrated players in this draft.

25. New York Jets : Arrelious Benn : Wide Receiver : Illinois
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I really don't know where Arrelious Benn will go. At all. His final season for the Illini was pretty lackluster, even when you consider the quarterback troubles. But I do know that Braylon Edwards is a RFA and while I don't expect some team to match the Jets offer to him, I do think that he could well be dealt or, at best, brought back for one more one. Benn is too talented for a team to let him slip too far and is the most obvious choice to be the #2 receiver to come off the board.

26. Baltimore Ravens : Arthur Jones : Defensive Line : Syracuse
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With Trevor Pryce due to be 35 by the start of the 2010 season, there's a potential hole at the 5-tech position opposite Ngata on that Baltimore defense. Whether Jones can raise his stock enough to get consideration this high is a big question mark, because he wasn't exactly explosive for the Orange in 2009. That said, the talent is easily there and he would be a great fit on that defense.

27. Minnesota Vikings : Tim Tebow : Quarterback : Florida
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Myself, I'm not a fan of Tebow. No matter how hard I look, I have a really hard time finding an NFL quarterback there. He's a long ways away. That said, while I don't necessarily believe the rumor that 6 NFL GM's feel Tebow is worth a 1st round pick, I do think that one or two teams will convince themselves that he is. I don't get the sense Favre is going to hang up the cleats after this year, or if he did how final that decision would be, but if the Vikings feel like they can bring Tebow along slowly, this might actually look like quite a smart pick down the road. Maybe.

28. New Orleans Saints : Sean Weatherspoon : Outside Linebacker : Missouri
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I think the Saints get themselves one hell of a linebacker considering where they are picking. While that defense took major strides in 2009, it can still get better, especially in the front seven.

29. Arizona Cardinals : Jerry Hughes : Edge Rusher : Texas Christian
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Depending on how he works out, Hughes might wind up going much higher than this. He's a pretty dynamic pass rusher, but what kind of athlete he is will dictate how high his ceiling is widely though to be. That said, the Cardinals would probably be thrilled to have a shot at adding someone to that defense (which I think is only really a strong pass rush away from becoming really scary).

30. San Diego Chargers : Terrence Cody : Defensive Tackle : Alabama
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If Dan Williams has the highest draft range of any potential first rounder, then Cody isn't far behind. A potentially great fit for a 34 defense and potentially a guy who will never be in good enough shape to make a major contribution in the NFL, Cody probably couldn't find himself in a better situation than with the Chargers. Taking relief snaps for Jamal Williams while getting a sense of what is required of him as an NFL nose tackle would allow him a little slack to start.

31. Dallas Cowboys : Donovan Warren : Cornerback : Michigan
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Depending on how cornerback demand works out in this draft, we could see Warren go higher than this. He's one of the most proven draftable corners in terms of man coverage, something that goes a long way with a few teams that pick before the Cowboys will. That said, Dallas would be crazy to not take Warren.

32. Indianapolis Colts : Mike Iupati : Offensive Guard : Idaho
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I wasn't quite sure where to go with this pick. At this point though, I think Iupati is easily the best offensive lineman available and probably the best value as well. You can never put too many pieces around Peyton Manning, can you?

Unbiased
01-14-2010, 07:03 PM
McClain is a phenomenal pick for Jacksonville.

prock
01-14-2010, 07:07 PM
tim tebow? i hate you.

nofalcons10
01-14-2010, 07:08 PM
i don't like the weatherspoon pick for new orleans. i think that we are going to stick it out with fujita for at least one more year.

we typically go best player available over need.

i think that BPA would be an offensive player in your scenario above.

RaiderNation
01-14-2010, 07:13 PM
You make me sad :( McClain and Davis are on the board

Paranoidmoonduck
01-14-2010, 07:16 PM
You make me sad :( McClain and Davis are on the board

Oakland will never pick McClain in a million years. It's too bad. As for Davis, he was the second guy on my list and it was really close.

nofalcons10
01-14-2010, 07:17 PM
some players i really think that you might want to include in your next mock

antony mccoy usc
johnathan dwyer GA. tech
morgan burnett GA. tech
dezmon briscoe kansas
danario alexander missouri
corey wooten northwestern

i would drop:
arrelious benn
authur jones
brandon grahm
dan williams
carlos dunlap
jason pierre paul

whom i think are more second round talent.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-14-2010, 07:20 PM
some players i really think that you might want to include in your next mock

antony mccoy usc
johnathan dwyer GA. tech
morgan burnett GA. tech
dezmon briscoe kansas
danario alexander missouri
corey wooten northwestern

i would drop:
arrelious benn
authur jones
brandon grahm
dan williams
carlos dunlap
jason pierre paul

whom i think are more second round talent.

I can definitely see Wooton sneaking into the first (probably in place of Jones, although they offer slightly different skill sets). As for the rest, I'm pretty happy with the guys I have in there. If Danario Alexander blows the roof off the combine, he's definitely a threat to be the #2 receiver off the board, but he was a lot to prove before I start predicting that. The rest of your list is pretty firmly in the early-mid 2nd round range for me.

I would bet money that more people from my group of players goes in the top 32 than the list you provided.

thebow305
01-14-2010, 07:24 PM
Great Phins pick! Although I fear that Parcells would not take him. JPP seems like the more likely pick there. But I would be ok with either. :)

Great job with the mock though, well done! +Rep for the effort!

nofalcons10
01-14-2010, 07:31 PM
I can definitely see Wooton sneaking into the first (probably in place of Jones, although they offer slightly different skill sets). As for the rest, I'm pretty happy with the guys I have in there. If Danario Alexander blows the roof off the combine, he's definitely a threat to be the #2 receiver off the board, but he was a lot to prove before I start predicting that. The rest of your list is pretty firmly in the early-mid 2nd round range for me.

I would bet money that more people from my group of players goes in the top 32 than the list you provided.

you'd probably win too considering how unpredictable some owners and coaches are drafting.

i just don't like benn. he and damaryus thomas are not the best route-runners and in my opinion are alot like DHB or devery henderson in that regard.

would you believe that i had bey going in the 3rd round last year? LOL. no matter what there is always one team that always takes a burner who cant run routes in the first round and it blows up in their faces.

miami, dallas, baltimore, cleveland, cinncy, all need recievers. they could suprise you.

antony mccoy reminds me alot of Pettigrew last year that went 20th overall but is much faster i wager. he's taller than alge crumpler and can really run routes.

if houston doesn't go RB next year i could probably see them going gerhart or something in round two.

Timbathia
01-14-2010, 07:31 PM
Taking a QB in the first round just makes no sense for the Broncos at all. It wont happen.

LonghornsLegend
01-14-2010, 07:39 PM
I always love your mocks pmd, not just for my team but top to bottom I think you do a really great job at projecting picks in how they will actually fall, not what's always the logical choice for a team.


Miami has to take Dez Bryant, love that pick for them. Everything else makes alot of sense and looks like the draft could really fall that way, though I could see Seattle going for Bradford but he'd be perfect for Denver.


EXCELLENT pick for Dallas, it fits a need, and the value matches up. He's the guy I'm leaning towards in the 1st, with Newman declining more and more Warren provides some star quality and could be a very solid #2 corner for us pretty soon.


I think you did a great job with this overall.

nofalcons10
01-14-2010, 07:45 PM
also, do you think that both buffalo and jacksonville really pass on tebow and bradford?

Paranoidmoonduck
01-14-2010, 07:49 PM
also, do you think that both buffalo and jacksonville really pass on tebow and bradford?

Forget Tebow. He's not going that high. I think where I have him is the very tippy top of his draft range.

As for Bradford, I don't think his arm measures up to what Buffalo is looking for and I think McClain is too good for the Jags to pass on. I could see Jacksonville is McClain is off the board or maybe they just wind up really taking to Bradford, but I wouldn't put it past Del Rio to choose a linebacker over a quarterback.

GoRavens
01-14-2010, 07:56 PM
Arthur Jones to Baltimore in the 1st round would be one of the worst moves in team history. Ravens don't draft that stupid

billsfootball15
01-14-2010, 08:00 PM
if the bills passed on Bradford and McClain, i would cry myself to sleep at night

scar988
01-14-2010, 08:01 PM
20. Atlanta Falcons : Dan Williams : Defensive Tackle : Tennessee
Despite taking Peria Jerry in the first round last year, it appears that Atlanta could still use help at the defensive tackle spot. Where Williams winds up going bears watching, as I think he was one of the biggest draft ranges of any player that's a threat to go in the first round. I'd say being picked high it towards the upper part of that range, but the general need for defensive tackles his size helps that.
Horrible Falcons pick. We have ZERO need for a DT. it looks like we needed one because Jerry went down. Babineaux is the top DT in the NFL according to profootballfocus and We will not give up on a prospect after just ne year. we have ACTUAL needs on the defense like DE, CB and OLB.

SeanTaylorRIP
01-14-2010, 08:03 PM
I highly doubt the Skins let Jason walk. He's a RFA we are definitely going to give him a tender. He's the best QB on the market and even if we do draft a QB we need a starter for this year as we rebuild our line and that will be Jason. He'll suffer from the rebuilding young line and Claussen can step in in 2011 when the Line has grown together.

nofalcons10
01-14-2010, 08:06 PM
Forget Tebow. He's not going that high. I think where I have him is the very tippy top of his draft range.

As for Bradford, I don't think his arm measures up to what Buffalo is looking for and I think McClain is too good for the Jags to pass on. I could see Jacksonville is McClain is off the board or maybe they just wind up really taking to Bradford, but I wouldn't put it past Del Rio to choose a linebacker over a quarterback.

makes sense.

buffalo might even trade for a quarterback before the draft like daunte culpepper or derek anderson.

mcclain is really good.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-14-2010, 08:06 PM
Horrible Falcons pick. We have ZERO need for a DT. it looks like we needed one because Jerry went down. Babineaux is the top DT in the NFL according to profootballfocus and We will not give up on a prospect after just ne year. we have ACTUAL needs on the defense like DE, CB and OLB.

I actually had Kindle penciled in to Atlanta, but then I looked around that roster for a guy who looked like a nose tackle and couldn't find one. I have no problem with Babineaux coming off a great year, but Jerry isn't really the sort of defensive tackle to anchor for that line, nor do I seem to see that sort of guy anywhere on the roster. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong though.

I highly doubt the Skins let Jason walk. He's a RFA we are definitely going to give him a tender. He's the best QB on the market and even if we do draft a QB we need a starter for this year as we rebuild our line and that will be Jason. He'll suffer from the rebuilding young line and Claussen can step in in 2011 when the Line has grown together.

For some reason I didn't think Campbell was restricted. Not that it changes my decision to give the Redskins Clausen, but it would definitely change the way Jimmy's rookie season would go.

LonghornsLegend
01-14-2010, 08:16 PM
Babineaux is the top DT in the NFL according to profootballfocus

Oh, well that settles that then. He's the best DT in football hands down, at least that's settled. Because I'm sure you wouldn't trade him for any other DT in the league, since profootballfocus said so.

SeanTaylorRIP
01-14-2010, 08:16 PM
Yeah just pointing it out. Jimmy is the only QB I want in the draft unless somehow Colt MccCoy or Pike fall to us at the top of the 4th which is so unlikely.

nofalcons10
01-14-2010, 08:18 PM
Yeah just pointing it out. Jimmy is the only QB I want in the draft unless somehow Colt MccCoy or Pike fall to us at the top of the 4th which is so unlikely.

andre woodson > pike.

DiG
01-14-2010, 08:26 PM
4. Washington Redskins : Jimmy Clausen : Quarterback : Notre Dame
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Although I think the team would be better in 2010 if they kept Jason Campbell here and instead drafted an offensive tackle here like Russell Okung, the new administration is probably going to opt to let Campbell walk and it would be hard to pass on Clausen here. How much scrutiny Clausen will receiver and how that reflects on him remains to be seen, but with the quarterback corps as it is, he's the clear choice to be the first off the board.


campbell is a RFA. they arent going to just "let him walk". hes either a redskin next year or hes traded. shanny is going to build the lines. he believes in running the football and he has to improve the offensive line in order to have any chance of doing that. he likes mobile qbs who can get out of the pocket and run the bootleg. im not saying that theres no way that clausen is the pick, im just saying that theres a lot of good reason to hold off.

jCut
01-14-2010, 08:28 PM
Interesting read. I like the Denver pick, but I may be in the minority there.

BaLLiN
01-14-2010, 08:31 PM
despite your great explanation (im not being sarcastic) i still really cant feel as if Price is worth it at 15, its like no mans land really, unless someone falls, but the value isnt there IMO

scar988
01-14-2010, 08:37 PM
I actually had Kindle penciled in to Atlanta, but then I looked around that roster for a guy who looked like a nose tackle and couldn't find one. I have no problem with Babineaux coming off a great year, but Jerry isn't really the sort of defensive tackle to anchor for that line, nor do I seem to see that sort of guy anywhere on the roster. I'm more than happy to be proven wrong though.

Kindle would be a horrible pick too. Atlanta will not take any character issues.

Atlanta doesn't run with a traditional nose tackle. It's why we got rid of Grady Jackson and the defense IMPROVED in the run game. Atlanta runs with a 3-tech guy playing the 1 tech and shooting the gap causing disruptions in the pass and the run. The only 2 games our line looked good as a whole were the first 2 games of the season... and this is no coincidence. This is why Jerry is our NT for the future and will be the starter next to Babs til at least 2013 (when their current contracts run out). DT is not a need in any way shape or form in Atlanta.

Atlanta's needs are LDE, CB and OLB. We run a 4-3 cover 2 btw.

scar988
01-14-2010, 08:39 PM
Oh, well that settles that then. He's the best DT in football hands down, at least that's settled. Because I'm sure you wouldn't trade him for any other DT in the league, since profootballfocus said so.

he lead the league in stops from the DT spot, had the most sacks from the DT spot, and is arguably the 2nd best pass rusher from the DT spot behind tony Brown... so no, for the Falcons scheme, I wouldn't trade him for anyone else in the league. Especially since he is only making 5M per year over 5 years.

diesel
01-14-2010, 08:56 PM
I think Benn is super talented but wtf happened this year? I looked up his stats and he had 38 catches for 490 yards and 2 TDs. WOW.

vidae
01-14-2010, 09:48 PM
I don't understand passing on a surefire talent in McClain for someone who would be changing positions at the next level. This is a team that absolutely cannot afford to miss on a top 5 pick and McClain is viewed by some to be one of the surest things in this draft.

I like Morgan, but the pick has to be McClain.

Poz51
01-15-2010, 07:28 AM
5. Kansas City Chiefs : Derrick Morgan : Edge Rusher : Georgia Tech
I know that most Chiefs fans feel that once Berry is off the board, inside linebacker Rolando McClain is the way to go. Personally, I don't buy it. Newly hired defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel has put together 34 defenses without needing superfluous talent at middle linebacker and the Chiefs pass rush was absolutely pathetic in 2009. Morgan is in the upper range in terms of weight for an edge rushing outside linebacker, but I think it suits his game a little better than asking him to be an every down defensive end.
Didnt Crennel have Bruschi, Ted Johnson, and Andy Katzemoyer at ILB during the 2001 SB season, Bruschi, Johnson, and Roman Phifer at ILB during the 2003 and 2004 SB's? Isnt that the same Crennel who had such stud's leading the defense at the same position in Cleveland named Andra Davis and D'Qwell Jackson when he was fired during that magical 2008 season when the Cleveland defense was second to last in the league in total yards allowed? Crennel may have put together 34 defenses without superfluous talent at ILB, but where did that get him? Didnt Pioli draft Mayo with the 10th pick in the draft just two short years ago to play ILB for the Pats?
I would agree that the K.C. pass rush needs an upgrade opposite Hali, but certainly not that Crennel does not need an ILB for his defense to be effective, or that the Chiefs could not use a stud at that spot to help enhance the run D.

9. Buffalo Bills : Anthony Davis : Offensive Tackle : Rutgers
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/71/anthonydavis.png
Were I the Bills, I would be quite happy with this pick. Although a little raw, Davis could well be the most talented offensive lineman in the draft, someone who, even if he doesn't excel at left tackle would most likely be excellent on the other side or even inside. I looked hard at quarterback here, but I don't see a fit with Sam Bradford and he's the only logical place to look.Excellent pick in my opinion, and perfect fit for the Bills!


I put bolded my thoughts on these picks, ie see above.

Poz51
01-15-2010, 07:35 AM
I think Benn is super talented but wtf happened this year? I looked up his stats and he had 38 catches for 490 yards and 2 TDs. WOW.

Did you see who his QB was? Orange Juice Williams was benched and the back ups couldnt hit the broad side of a barn if they were trapped in set barn. Essentially his talent was wasted by poor quarterback play.

AntoinCD
01-15-2010, 08:48 AM
I do like the Kindle pick for the Patriots but as you mentioned with the pass rushers there it will be a matter of preference. In that situation I wouldn't be surprised to see either Trent Williams or Mike Iupati chosen instead though. Good mock

coordinator0
01-15-2010, 09:12 AM
If Jones could raise his stock to where it once was, I could see the Ravens taking him in the late first. I just don't see that happening though. He would be a perfect fit for what we need along the defensive line, so you've got the right idea. I actually think we might be able to get him with our second round pick, but a lot could change before April.

lance uppercut
01-15-2010, 11:55 AM
I can't argue with Bulaga for Pittsburgh, it's clear they need to invest in the OL, and he's seemingly the best of the bunch at that stage. Tough to pass on Earl Thomas, but with the depth of the safety class I can see it.

really well done, btw.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-15-2010, 02:27 PM
If Jones could raise his stock to where it once was, I could see the Ravens taking him in the late first. I just don't see that happening though. He would be a perfect fit for what we need along the defensive line, so you've got the right idea. I actually think we might be able to get him with our second round pick, but a lot could change before April.

I was a little unsure about that pick. I think Jones finding his way into the first round is more likely than, say, Oghobaase doing so, but I do think Baltimore needs a 5-tech. Honestly, it could turn out that Wootton packs on enough weight to be the best guy to consider there. We'll just have to wait and see.

I put bolded my thoughts on these picks, ie see above.

I wasn't trying to argue that ILB wasn't a need for KC, but I don't think it's a greater need than pass rusher and I certainly don't think that a 34 ILB presents a better value at the 5th overall pick.

RealityCheck
01-15-2010, 03:53 PM
Kindle!!!!

scottyboy
01-15-2010, 04:49 PM
Horrible Falcons pick. We have ZERO need for a DT. it looks like we needed one because Jerry went down. Babineaux is the top DT in the NFL according to profootballfocus and We will not give up on a prospect after just ne year. we have ACTUAL needs on the defense like DE, CB and OLB.

you're so damn condescending when commentin on other peoples mocks yet in your last one, Anthony Davis went in the 2nd round, you've got no room to talk about horrible picks.
and yes, because pff is just TOPS in NFL knowledge and crowning players...

great stuff pmd, and I fully approve of the Giants pick. I like Price

Go_Eagles77
01-15-2010, 05:43 PM
Very solid eagles pick.

wonderbredd24
01-15-2010, 05:45 PM
Good Browns pick and personally, I will not be surprised in the least when Brian Price flies up draft boards and ends up in the Top 15. He's phenominal

Sniper
01-15-2010, 05:49 PM
This mock wins for BG55 to the Eagles.

Scotty D
01-15-2010, 06:36 PM
Babineaux is also the #1 DT in the NFL at rolling blunts

Abaddon
01-15-2010, 06:47 PM
You're fired.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-15-2010, 07:46 PM
You're fired.

I was quite close to giving Oakland Brian Price. Just saying.

SimonRath
01-15-2010, 08:20 PM
DT for the Falcons in the 1st is not a good pick in my mind.

zachsaints52
01-15-2010, 10:15 PM
Great Saints pick.

Abaddon
01-15-2010, 10:19 PM
I was quite close to giving Oakland Brian Price. Just saying.

But...why?

the_legend_killer
01-15-2010, 10:40 PM
Lots of Viking fans may not like the Tebow pick, but I do.

Young Legend
01-15-2010, 10:51 PM
That would make me super sad =(

Paranoidmoonduck
01-16-2010, 12:09 AM
But...why?

Because I'm far from convinced Oakland is going to seriously consider an offensive tackle. Al has dumped a lot of early round picks into the offense lately and unless he really falls for someone like Davis or Campbell, I think he's going to spend the pick on defense. For me, that means he's either reaching on the defensive line or he's targeting a defensive back.

And I think Brian Price fits a profile for Al.

the decider13
01-16-2010, 12:22 AM
I have no problem with taking Bradford. I don't think it is that likely, but if the board falls like that, Bradford would be fine. Sucks missing on McClain by one pick. No defensive backs worth taking at 11 and no defensive lineman that fit Bronco needs. Dez would be fine as well, but only if Marshall leaves. I really can't see taking Dez at 11 with Marshall still on the team.

snyder101
01-16-2010, 03:06 AM
Good redskins pick. Franchise QB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>franchise LT.


75 % of 2nd round QB's never turn out good. First round QBs with good staff have a good 80% ratio.

scottyboy
01-16-2010, 09:36 AM
Good redskins pick. Franchise QB>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>franchise LT.


75 % of 2nd round QB's never turn out good. First round QBs with good staff have a good 80% ratio.

this is so wrong...I don't even know where to start

scar988
01-16-2010, 09:55 AM
you're so damn condescending when commentin on other peoples mocks yet in your last one, Anthony Davis went in the 2nd round, you've got no room to talk about horrible picks.
and yes, because pff is just TOPS in NFL knowledge and crowning players...

great stuff pmd, and I fully approve of the Giants pick. I like Price

my last mock was done over a month ago. so that's a horrible comparison.

derza222
01-16-2010, 10:16 AM
There are a bunch of directions that IMO make sense to go in for the Jets at this point, and that is definitely one of them. Solid pick, and a nice read overall.

SuperMcgee
01-16-2010, 02:52 PM
makes sense.

buffalo might even trade for a quarterback before the draft like daunte culpepper or derek anderson.

mcclain is really good.


I'd prefer Ryan Fitzpatrick as the starter in Buffalo to either of those.

Davis is a good pick. But there is certainly temptation with McClain and Bradford.

Hines
01-17-2010, 08:02 PM
Really like the Steelers pick.

proshoota25
01-19-2010, 01:42 AM
great patriots pick. reading your stuff, it seems like you dont like ANY of the gators prospects lol

Paranoidmoonduck
01-19-2010, 01:56 AM
great patriots pick. reading your stuff, it seems like you dont like ANY of the gators prospects lol

I really shouldn't trash Haden. I think he's a really good prospect. He sort of reminds me of Marcus Trufant, but a bit more polished. From what I've seen of him though, nothing screams "top 10 pick" to me. In this class, with the dearth of offensive talent at the top, I can easily see him being worth it (as I said for Cleveland's pick), but I can't really say I like him that much more than I liked Leon Hall.

DiG
01-19-2010, 08:24 AM
this is so wrong...I don't even know where to start

waaayyy wrong. in the last 25 years, 42% of RD1 QBs have made probowl compared to 32% of RD2 QBs. Also, 21% of RD1 QBs have 3 or more years starting vs 19% of RD2 QBs. The bust rate of RD1 QBs is 40% and the bust rate of RD2 QBs is 50%. I've got the spreadsheet to prove it. Those numbers are pretty close.

OL is another story. Statistically, RD1 OL dominate RD2.

nofalcons10
01-19-2010, 09:30 AM
wow. i didn't realize that you had the saints passing on terrance cody too.

i think that we have had 4-5 runs this year of 50 yards or more against us. most of them right up the gut.

Paranoidmoonduck
01-19-2010, 10:39 AM
wow. i didn't realize that you had the saints passing on terrance cody too.

i think that we have had 4-5 runs this year of 50 yards or more against us. most of them right up the gut.

I'm of the group that doesn't feel Cody either has the skillset or the endurance to be much use to a 43 team (certainly not enough use to be worth a first round pick). The Saints can find themselves a big body later in the draft if they really need one.

nofalcons10
01-19-2010, 10:46 AM
I'm of the group that doesn't feel Cody either has the skillset or the endurance to be much use to a 43 team (certainly not enough use to be worth a first round pick). The Saints can find themselves a big body later in the draft if they really need one.

one as good as cody?

remy ayodele is 6'4 320lbs and plays for us now but he still gets handled easily with a single block and moved backwards.

who did you have in mind later in the draft that could help us solve this problem?

prock
01-19-2010, 11:08 AM
he lead the league in stops from the DT spot, had the most sacks from the DT spot, and is arguably the 2nd best pass rusher from the DT spot behind tony Brown... so no, for the Falcons scheme, I wouldn't trade him for anyone else in the league. Especially since he is only making 5M per year over 5 years.

kevin williams >>>>>>>>>> babs

Paranoidmoonduck
01-19-2010, 02:31 PM
one as good as cody?

remy ayodele is 6'4 320lbs and plays for us now but he still gets handled easily with a single block and moved backwards.

who did you have in mind later in the draft that could help us solve this problem?

In terms of a 4-3 NT, I think they could definitely find a guy better than Cody in later rounds. As I said in my mock, Cody being able to sit behind an established starter and get into NFL shape is going to be huge. This guy probably wouldn't be able to even be a consistent 2-down lineman as a rookie.

In later rounds guys like Boo Williams, DeMarcus Granger and Al Woods would make sense.

nofalcons10
01-19-2010, 03:27 PM
In terms of a 4-3 NT, I think they could definitely find a guy better than Cody in later rounds. As I said in my mock, Cody being able to sit behind an established starter and get into NFL shape is going to be huge. This guy probably wouldn't be able to even be a consistent 2-down lineman as a rookie.

In later rounds guys like Boo Williams, DeMarcus Granger and Al Woods would make sense.

i don't know much about boo williams or the kid from east carolina but Demarcus Granger i like.

the only problem with granger is his character. I just don't know if payton would pick him, though i very much hope that he would.

see my mock:
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37963

I like woods' athleticism but his motor is a question mark. Does he play in any all-star games?

Its just that we've been getting gashed for a long time since we let hollis thomas (360lbs) go and it sure would be nice to have that huge plugger there.

granger has size and is more athletic than ayodele and is much better conditioned. if we don't get granger or cody then it sure would be nice to get a couple of very athletic guys for a rotation like D'anthony to play alongside sedrick ellis.