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J-Mike88
01-15-2010, 10:46 AM
Let's keep the mock drafts in this one thread.

Here's my first attempt:

Unrestricted Free Agency:
Brad Maynard, P, Chicago Bears
Roderick Hood, CB, Tennessee Titans

I'd like to make a more aggressive move to really upgrade our roster, but I feel this is more realistic and slightly upgrades us in 2 areas of need. Either Hood, or Daniel Manning of the Bears would be my realistic target. IMO, he's basically Will Blackmon before the torn ACL.

Draft:
1.) Brandon Graham OLB Michigan
6'2" 264 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Lamar Woodley
He's physically stronger, and I feel a perfect compliment to Clay Matthews going forward. He's got skills, but he's also a good dude, and a high-quality guy which is signature of Ted Thompson's picks.

2.) Jason Fox LT Miami
6'6" 318 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Sebastian Vollmer
I've seen a lot of mocks having him available here, but I find it hard to believe. I don't set the rankings & projections though. I feel he's 1st-round material. Let's say we need to trade our 2nd and one of our LBers for him if the slot is too low.

3.) Kyle Wilson CB Boise St.
5'10" 186 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Domonique Foxworth
I wasn't as impressed as some are, when I watched him in their bowl game vs TCU, but he's probably already better than every CB on our team below Tramon Williams.

4.) Nick Polk S Indiana
5'11" 219 lbs
NFL Comparison: Jim Leonhard

5A.) Antonio Brown WR Central Michigan
5'10" 182 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Johnny Knox

5B.) Trindon Holliday PR/KR/WR
5'5" 160 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Dante Hall 2002-2005

6.) Tony Washington OT Abilene Christian
6'6" 304 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Jermon Bushrod

7.) Nate Byham TE Pitt
6'3" 255 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Anthony Fasano

Who likes it, who doesn't?
What do you like, what don't you like?
Nobody will create a perfect one. None of us, no GM's, no Kiper, no Mayock, no McShay, etc.

tjsunstein
01-15-2010, 11:22 AM
I have a feeling we won't be able to grab Kyle Wilson at the lower end of the third round but I do like your draft a lot. The unrestricted FA pick ups are very good to say the least. Rod Hood is grossly underrated. You don't think the Bears re-sign Maynard or Manning? I do.

Whistler6
01-15-2010, 06:16 PM
Being able to get a talent like Graham at the back end of the 1st round would be a great pick. Against WI the guy was an animal. To me, I think his size his the most enticing part about Graham as a players...Especially with the quickness he shows.

I know it's a punter, but if Green Bay picked up Brad Maynard I'd be stoked.

cvv84
01-15-2010, 07:22 PM
Where are you getting that 2nd 5th round pick from? Or is that just a 2nd option for the 5th round?

We have the Jets 7th round pick which completes the Favre trade and a conditional pick from the Panthers when we traded them LS J.J. Jansen which we'll likely get a 6th or 7th round pick because he stayed on the roster the entire year.

So at the very least we'll 8 picks entering the draft.

J-Mike88
01-15-2010, 08:32 PM
Where are you getting that 2nd 5th round pick from? Or is that just a 2nd option for the 5th round?

We have the Jets 7th round pick which completes the Favre trade and a conditional pick from the Panthers when we traded them LS J.J. Jansen which we'll likely get a 6th or 7th round pick because he stayed on the roster the entire year.

So at the very least we'll 8 picks entering the draft.

The extra pick I have is a conditional pick for losing Colin Cole, but that has as good of a chance of being a 6 than a 5. But hey, I'm gonna err on the side of..... us.

I thought the long snapper heist Ted pulled off was going to get us a pick in the next draft, not this one, but I could be wrong there.

I didn't get to see as much of Graham as I wish, but everything I did see, and read about him, I like the guy. Really, say what you want about Ted, he usually finds a way to take guys who are pretty good people, not any Agent Zero's or Plaxico's, etc. I mean Jennings was a phenomenal pick based on talent alone, plus he's as high character of an NFL player as you can find.
We should all be proud of things like that in our team. But it makes it harder to stomach losses like this last one :(

johbur
01-15-2010, 08:49 PM
That's a nice draft and would be pretty solid for the team, but I am not in favor of yet another first round LB when the glaring deficiencies are at CB and O-line. 50 sacks given up and two OTs that are not the healthiest or youngest? I love the Jason Fox pick. I also don't think he'll be there, but I'd still be going CB in R1 or maybe going multiple o-linemen in the first couple of rounds... What do you think, two early linemen or a CB and then a lineman? I'm partial to the CB given my concern over Harris coming back and there's a number of young linemen that might step up.

J-Mike88
01-15-2010, 09:01 PM
That's a nice draft and would be pretty solid for the team, but I am not in favor of yet another first round LB when the glaring deficiencies are at CB and O-line. 50 sacks given up and two OTs that are not the healthiest or youngest? I love the Jason Fox pick. I also don't think he'll be there, but I'd still be going CB in R1 or maybe going multiple o-linemen in the first couple of rounds... What do you think, two early linemen or a CB and then a lineman? I'm partial to the CB given my concern over Harris coming back and there's a number of young linemen that might step up.
I hear your concerns, but I have just learned over the years with the Packers, studying their history dating back 15-20 years, that this team seems to have better results at the CB position via FA or trades. We've seen Thompson draft a few bad ones, and even going back we've had horrible ones in Carroll, Joey Thomas, Antwan Edwards, Freddy Vinson, even Terrell Buckley was horrible for a #5 overall pick.

Yet we've had a great pair in Woodson and Harris, neither our draft picks, and we've got a decent one in Tramon, not our draft pick also.
So, I have determined that it's safer, and earlier dividended to go elsewhere with a high pick for this franchise, right now. I don't even think Malcolm Jenkiins would have helped us last week and he was rated super high by many.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-15-2010, 09:09 PM
1 - OT Charles Brown
2 - HB Joe McKnight
3 - CB Jerome Murphy
4 - SS Myron Rolle
5 - DE Clifton Geathers
6 - OLB Antonio Coleman
7 - CB Sherrick McManis

id be stoked if we would be able to get all of these picks

cvv84
01-15-2010, 09:37 PM
The extra pick I have is a conditional pick for losing Colin Cole, but that has as good of a chance of being a 6 than a 5. But hey, I'm gonna err on the side of..... us.

I thought the long snapper heist Ted pulled off was going to get us a pick in the next draft, not this one, but I could be wrong there.

Oh ok, gotchya. I'm trying to think who we all lost to free agency. There's Cole, Ruvell Martin, Tory Humphrey, and Jason Hunter that I can think of off the top of my head.

Here's a list (http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/35) of all the trades and the compensation for this year if that helps.

tjsunstein
01-15-2010, 10:13 PM
1 - OT Charles Brown
2 - HB Joe McKnight
3 - CB Jerome Murphy
4 - SS Myron Rolle
5 - DE Clifton Geathers
6 - OLB Antonio Coleman
7 - CB Sherrick McManis

id be stoked if we would be able to get all of these picks

I think the 4th is too early for Rolle but that's depending on how he works out.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-15-2010, 10:21 PM
I think the 4th is too early for Rolle but that's depending on how he works out.

it might be but i just feel like he is an excellent value pick whatever round he is picked in

cvv84
01-15-2010, 10:48 PM
I'm not a big Myron Rolle fan. He has the size and is a good tackler but he's going to be a 24 year old rookie who's been out of football for a year. Collins and Bigby are going to be back anyways so he's not going to contribute much other than special teams. He was never a real playmaker in college either.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-16-2010, 01:23 AM
I'm not a big Myron Rolle fan. He has the size and is a good tackler but he's going to be a 24 year old rookie who's been out of football for a year. Collins and Bigby are going to be back anyways so he's not going to contribute much other than special teams. He was never a real playmaker in college either.

im the opposite. he was definitly a first round talent coming out. and hes not a playmaker because his INT total is 1 for 3 years of play? if you had seen him play you would know he was the one making the key 3rd down stops. which is just as valuable to me as an INT. he is a sure tackler which would be nice to have incase nick collins or bigby goes down.. how awful was it seeing giordiano out there?

J-Mike88
01-16-2010, 06:21 AM
I'd be happy with Charlie Brown in the first, but McKnight seems to be brittle, and unproductive for all the hype he received.
I watched him as a super highly-touted recruit and was hoping he'd have a great career, but he really disappointed me. I like using a 3 & 7 on CB though, Murphy has a chance to be good.

J-Mike88
01-16-2010, 06:35 AM
Here's another attempt to chew on. Let me hear your feedback. I've not seen a lot of some of these guys other than reading about them, the smaller school guys. But TT seems to have a lot of success from those non-power house schools like Bethune Cookman (Collins), Western Michigan (Jennings)< Central Florida (Sitton). I find that amazing.

Draft:
1.) Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa
2.) Perrish Cox CB Oklahoma State
3.) Vladimir Ducasse OT UMass
4.) AJ Edds OLB Iowa
5.) Justin Woodall S Alabama
5.) Kade Weston DL Georgia
6.) LaMarcus Coker RB Hampton
7.) Zoltan Mesko P Michigan

princefielder28
01-16-2010, 08:20 AM
Bulaga and Cox are nice picks and I'd love to get Ducasse but I don't see him making to round three. I'm also not sure Edds is a great fit in a 3-4 defense.

J-Mike88
01-16-2010, 08:26 AM
Bulaga and Cox are nice picks and I'd love to get Ducasse but I don't see him making to round three. I'm also not sure Edds is a great fit in a 3-4 defense.
Dang, you're right, Big Vlad has been moving up the charts big time.
We'd be lucky to land him in the 2nd round with our #23 pick there.
He's a monster. Still, not too many people have heard of him.

Now he's probably going to go in the 1st round... time to redo things again :eek:

J-Mike88
01-16-2010, 08:27 AM
Check out big Vlad's Facebook page. http://www.facebook.com/vducasse

cvv84
01-16-2010, 11:27 AM
im the opposite. he was definitly a first round talent coming out. and hes not a playmaker because his INT total is 1 for 3 years of play? if you had seen him play you would know he was the one making the key 3rd down stops. which is just as valuable to me as an INT. he is a sure tackler which would be nice to have incase nick collins or bigby goes down.. how awful was it seeing giordiano out there?

I've seen him play. We need someone who plays more coverage for our scheme though.

bigboiajhawk
01-16-2010, 11:57 AM
Draft:
1.) Brandon Graham OLB Michigan
6'2" 264 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Lamar Woodley
He's physically stronger, and I feel a perfect compliment to Clay Matthews going forward. He's got skills, but he's also a good dude, and a high-quality guy which is signature of Ted Thompson's picks.

2.) Jason Fox LT Miami
6'6" 318 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Sebastian Vollmer
I've seen a lot of mocks having him available here, but I find it hard to believe. I don't set the rankings & projections though. I feel he's 1st-round material. Let's say we need to trade our 2nd and one of our LBers for him if the slot is too low.

3.) Kyle Wilson CB Boise St.
5'10" 186 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Domonique Foxworth
I wasn't as impressed as some are, when I watched him in their bowl game vs TCU, but he's probably already better than every CB on our team below Tramon Williams.

4.) Nick Polk S Indiana
5'11" 219 lbs
NFL Comparison: Jim Leonhard

5A.) Antonio Brown WR Central Michigan
5'10" 182 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Johnny Knox

5B.) Trindon Holliday PR/KR/WR
5'5" 160 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Dante Hall 2002-2005

6.) Tony Washington OT Abilene Christian
6'6" 304 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Jermon Bushrod

7.) Nate Byham TE Pitt
6'3" 255 lbs.
NFL Comparison: Anthony Fasano

Who likes it, who doesn't?
What do you like, what don't you like?
Nobody will create a perfect one. None of us, no GM's, no Kiper, no Mayock, no McShay, etc.

I like the mock, but I think Graham goes top 15, I believe he will have a pretty stellar combine which will boost his status. I thought I read somewhere that he can bench press 225 over 30 times. If he is there and my guy, Bulaga, is not then I would take him in a heart beat.

I think Fox will go top of the 2nd round to a team like the Lions.

I like the selection of Kyle Wilson and Nick Polk, I think Polk is a talented player that still has not come close to reaching his potential.

I like most of your round 5-7 picks, especially Holliday. I think there could be some potential there but the question is can he catch the ball well enough to hold down a roster spot. But I wouldn't mind taking the chance on him.

So here goes my mock:

1st Round: I see TT trading back, but for the sake of a mock I am going to say Jermaine Gresham, TE, OK. No hands DLee just pisses me off with how he drops the key pass. Teaming Gresham and Finley together would form the scariest TE duo in the NFL. I think Bulaga will be gone, especially after his strong showing in the Orange Bowl.

2nd Round: Chad Jones, S, LSU - I like drafting a safety in round 2, whether it is Chad Jones, Morgan Burnett, or Major Wright, I really don't care. Nick Collins was a great 2nd round safety, I think we could find one in this round again.

3rd Round: O'Brien Schofield, WI, OLB - After watching a lot of WI football this year, it became clear to me that he can play in a 3-4 as an OLB.

4th Round: Doug Worthington, DE, OSU - Worthington played DT for Ohio State, and I think he has the frame and size to be a pretty good DE in a 3-4. He is 6'6" 280 pounds, he could easily get up to 290 without sacrificing any speed.

5th round: I like the Trindon Holliday selection here.

6th Round: OT

7th Round: OT


You will notice that I steered away from OT and CB. Reason: I think TT resigns either Clifton and/or Tauscher and Colledge(as much as it pains me to think that way). That way we keep Giacominni, Barbre, and have Lang either starting at LG or grooming a OT position. For CB: I think TT goes the free agency route and actually finds someone: Dunta Robinson would be a really nice addition(pricey and unlikely though)

cvv84
01-16-2010, 12:10 PM
Dunta Robinson would be a really nice addition(pricey and unlikely though)

I'd pass on him. He had a great rookie season but hasn't been the same player since. Add in his recent injury history and you'll see why the Texans haven't locked him up long term yet.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-16-2010, 03:47 PM
I've seen him play. We need someone who plays more coverage for our scheme though.

i agree with that but i feel like he would be an upgrade of bigby in coverage. im just looking to draft a safety in general incase someone goes down. and i felt like myron rolle has good upside and value.

I'd be happy with Charlie Brown in the first, but McKnight seems to be brittle, and unproductive for all the hype he received.
I watched him as a super highly-touted recruit and was hoping he'd have a great career, but he really disappointed me. I like using a 3 & 7 on CB though, Murphy has a chance to be good.

only reason i went with brown over bulaga was because i dont think he will make it to us but id love to have bulaga. and for the mcknight thing i feel like a home run threat at hb would be a great addition for us. much like reggie bush is used for the saints. only without the price tag. also i like your mock of picking two tackles.. definitly need help there

tjsunstein
01-16-2010, 04:04 PM
I hope we don't spend a high pick on Gresham or any TE for that matter. A 4th or later on a really solid blocking tight end would be ideal.

cvv84
01-16-2010, 04:55 PM
I hope we don't spend a high pick on Gresham or any TE for that matter. A 4th or later on a really solid blocking tight end would be ideal.

I actually think that Gresham would be a great pick. He'd be another receiving threat plus he's a much better blocker than Lee/Finley. I'd prefer an OT, CB, or OLB but I wouldn't be upset with Gresham.

bigboiajhawk
01-16-2010, 05:19 PM
I actually think that Gresham would be a great pick. He'd be another receiving threat plus he's a much better blocker than Lee/Finley. I'd prefer an OT, CB, or OLB but I wouldn't be upset with Gresham.

He really reminds me of a way more athletic version of Brandon Pettigrew from last year. I mean the guy is supposedly 6'6" 260, that is a big freakin dude. I am not saying that the Packers need him, but if the really good OT's are gone, and Brandon Graham is gone, I think it is a real possibility. Maybe if Warren has a great combine, like he should, I will warm up to him being a legit first round selection. Right now I think the only CB worth a first round pick is Haden.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-16-2010, 05:28 PM
He really reminds me of a way more athletic version of Brandon Pettigrew from last year. I mean the guy is supposedly 6'6" 260, that is a big freakin dude. I am not saying that the Packers need him, but if the really good OT's are gone, and Brandon Graham is gone, I think it is a real possibility. Maybe if Warren has a great combine, like he should, I will warm up to him being a legit first round selection. Right now I think the only CB worth a first round pick is Haden.

thompson doesnt go for the combine warriors he goes for the people who jump out on film. the only legitimate corner in the first is haden. pre and post combine. anything else would be a product of a weak cb class

J-Mike88
01-16-2010, 09:19 PM
Gresham is very talented of course, but we don't need another option for Rodgers. Our offense is phenomenal, except one area: The OT's. To use our first round pick on another TE would piss me off as much as taking Harrell did in 2007. But I do like your thinking about replacing Don Lee because of his big damn drops. His drop in Minnesota might have cost us the division.

I don't think we can draft too many OT's, CB's, and OLB prospects, also another DL guy or two if Jarius doesn't pan out. I'm counting Kampman out..... and Poppinga just doesn't have the pass rush skills needed for this scheme. Brad Jones, Cyril Obiozor, they might... but Popps has been in the league awhile now and I expected him to be more like Kevin Greene, with Kevin Greene coaching him. Maybe Greene spent all his time on Kampman and Matthews though.

(By the way, did anyone just see Pierre Garcon run down and STRIP Ed Reed? I saw a golden chance for Jarrett Bush to do that last week vs Arizona, but he never even thought to try the strip tackle. I can't stand that. Dumb.)

cvv84
01-16-2010, 10:17 PM
Gresham is very talented of course, but we don't need another option for Rodgers. Our offense is phenomenal, except one area: The OT's. To use our first round pick on another TE would piss me off as much as taking Harrell did in 2007. But I do like your thinking about replacing Don Lee because of his big damn drops. His drop in Minnesota might have cost us the division.

Ron Wolf said his biggest regret was that he never surrounded Favre with enogh weapons. I don't think that giving Rodgers another receiving threat would hurt. Especially a guy who's a much more capable blocker than Lee. I'm not saying we need to take a TE but that if we took Gresham I wouldn't be upset.

J-Mike88
01-16-2010, 10:56 PM
Ron Wolf said his biggest regret, and mistake, was passing on Randy Moss in the 1998 draft, which it was.

The thing is, I don't think there are enough passes to go around now, and that Jordy and Jones have so much untapped potential now. Adding a TE in the first round? That's higher than we just picked J-Mike. I'd be very disappointed, and shocked, quite honestly.

J-Mike88
01-19-2010, 12:08 PM
Time for a new mock as I've had more time to read up on, watch some highlights of, and read thru some more rankings and projections.

I have Thompson signing just one role-player free agent, much like he did 2 years ago with Chillar, and the year prior with Frank Walker.

FREE AGENT ADDITION
Daniel Manning, CB/S, Chicago Bears ~ Age 27, 5-11, 202 Lbs.

He's listed as a safety but can play corner. Was the Bears nickelback but started
Think if him as like Jarrett Bush, but not a stooge. And think of him as Will Blackmon as a returner as Manning led the league in return average and number of 30-yard + returns, despite only starting half the season (2008).
He had a 59-yard kick return to help beat the Vikings in week 16 last month.

Was orignally a 2nd round pick by the Bears, out of Abilene Christian.

He's not great, but is solid, and you'll sure feel a lot better seeing him out there as nickel or dime than you will anyone else we put out there (other than TrayMon Williams).

PACKERS DRAFT MOCK

1- Charles Brown, OT, USC
A natural LEFT tackle, groomed for a year behind Clifton, the former USC guy will protect his former Rival Cal Bear Rodgers for a decade hopefully.

2- Dominique Franks, CB, Oklahoma
Seasoned, talented corner from the wild west of passing in the Big 12.

3- Cameron Sheffield, OLB, Troy
Was overshadowed by Brandon Lang, but has serious skills himself.

4- Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
6'3", 229, big target who put up good numbers despite no QB or passing offense.

5- Adrian Tracy, OLB, William & Mary
6- Kyle McCarthy, S, Notre Dame
6*- Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan
7- Lorenzo Washington, DE, Alabama

*comp pick

cvv84
01-19-2010, 12:29 PM
I am not a Charles Brown fan. He's too much of a project for me and I don't like how he's undersized. Its going to take 2-3 years to get him ready and we don't have that kind of time.

I like Demaryius Thomas in the 3rd. I think we need to draft a QB though. Flynn has progressed but he's not a guy who's capable of coming in and leading this team to wins if need be. A guy I like is Rusty Smith from FAU. He's experienced, has great size, descent mobility, and I guy who I think could benefit from working with a QB coach.

J-Mike88
01-20-2010, 02:39 PM
I am not a Charles Brown fan. He's too much of a project for me and I don't like how he's undersized. Its going to take 2-3 years to get him ready and we don't have that kind of time.

I like Demaryius Thomas in the 3rd. I think we need to draft a QB though. Flynn has progressed but he's not a guy who's capable of coming in and leading this team to wins if need be. A guy I like is Rusty Smith from FAU. He's experienced, has great size, descent mobility, and I guy who I think could benefit from working with a QB coach.
I'm neutral on Brown, but some other key people I listen to, who have watched Brown every game for 2 years, tell me he's gonna be a good NFL left tackle....

I don't know about Flynn because A) they banked on him in 2008 as a rookie, B) they banked on hiim in 2009, and now C) he'll be more improved in 2010 so I would be shocked if TT decided to go draft another QB.

Demaryius Thomas reminds me, physically, of Brandon Marshall.

J-Mike88
01-20-2010, 02:56 PM
I know a lot of people either love him or hate him, but here's Kiper's first mock draft I saw today on ESPN:

St. Louis Rams Record: 1-15
Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
Nobody questions that the top need for the Rams is a quarterback. But unless St. Louis trades down -- an extremely difficult proposition on multiple levels -- it shouldn't take a quarterback with its first pick. Suh is maybe the most dominating defensive tackle I've seen in 32 years of doing this. He can be effective immediately for the Rams, and they may address the QB with a trade.

Detroit Lions Record: 2-14
Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma
Getting McCoy both fills a big need for the Lions and is an extraordinarily good consolation prize for any team unable to get Suh. McCoy makes his living in opponents' backfields and is such a talent he could have landed in this position last year had he declared as a redshirt sophomore.


Tampa Bay Buccaneers Record: 3-13
Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee
This is very early for a safety to go off the board, but Berry is that kind of talent. A player compared often (not unfairly) to Ed Reed, Berry is a difference-making safety headed to a league that has seen those types (Reed, Troy Polamalu, Bob Sanders) become more and more prevalent in recent years.

Washington Redskins Record: 4-12
Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
Mike Shanahan and the Redskins can get a quarterback here who might have been the top player taken had he opted to come out last year. The Redskins need to find their franchise quarterback, and when healthy, Bradford is an exceptionally accurate passer with an underrated arm. Shanahan also hit on his last QB selection when he drafted Jay Cutler in Denver.

Kansas City Chiefs Record: 4-12
Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
I think the Chiefs could use help at safety as well, but Berry likely won't fall this far, and they'd be reaching on either of the two other safeties with first-round grades. Okung could solve two problems, making him a good value -- he could step in at LT and allow the Chiefs to move Brandon Albert to the right side. A pick that can pay immediate dividends for the Chiefs.

Seattle Seahawks Record: 5-11
Derrick Morgan*, DE, Georgia Tech
Many in Seattle will view the offensive line as a greater need, but Morgan fills another huge hole for a team that simply couldn't get to the quarterback in 2009. He represents great value because he can rush the passer, is productive against the run and can even drop back -- a versatile talent. Pete Carroll knows defense and should love what Morgan can offer.

Cleveland Browns Record: 5-11
Joe Haden*, CB, Florida
I'm not convinced the Browns will be willing to draft a quarterback simply because the position is unsettled. In Haden, they can't go wrong with by far the top CB on the board, a player they can plug in from day one. A deft cover corner and great tackler, Haden is the total package.

Oakland Raiders Record: 5-11
Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers
Davis might not be the most complete tackle in the first round just yet, but he is the most naturally gifted and should get better. Great feet, ideal size and he has the ability to maul defenders in the run game. After a whiff in the first round last year, the Raiders should address a big need here.

Buffalo BillsRecord: 6-10
Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre Dame
People will debate Clausen's merits long after he shakes the commissioner's hand, but he has continued to improve, has displayed toughness, has an NFL arm and, perhaps most importantly, has experience under center in a pro-style offense. That was a key for Matthew Stafford and Mark Sanchez, and is a huge consideration for scouts.

Denver Broncos (from Chicago)Record: 7-9
Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma State
In all likelihood, Brandon Marshall is headed elsewhere, so the Broncos will attempt to fill the void with the best deep threat in the draft. Bryant has great size and was unstoppable in the Big 12. He represents an immediate weapon in the passing game.

Jacksonville Jaguars Record: 7-9
Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South Florida
This is no place to draft a guy like Tim Tebow just to sell tickets. Pierre-Paul could be the Mario Williams of this draft class, a raw talent but one with remarkable athleticism and an incredible burst off the line. Could be a terror for QBs in the future and maybe he's local enough for some.

Miami DolphinsRecord:7-9
Rolando McClain*, LB, AlabamaA potential home run for Miami, a team that needs an inside linebacker and could get the best one in the whole draft after the top 10. The Dolphins also could go after Bryant if he were to fall to them here, because they also must address WR.

San Francisco 49ersRecord: 8-8
Trent Williams, OT, OklahomaI consider the right tackle position a big need for the 49ers, and getting Williams here should strengthen them immediately both in the run game and as they look to further develop a potentially dangerous passing game with Michael Crabtree and Vernon Davis.

Seattle Seahawks (from Denver)Record: 5-11
C.J. Spiller, RB, ClemsonHe's not an offensive lineman, but Spiller could be a Reggie Bush-like option for the Seahawks. For a coach uniquely familiar with what Bush can do, Spiller is a missing home run threat in the run game, a good receiver and a valuable returner. Fans will want O-line help, and I'd expect it in Round 2.

New York GiantsRecord: 8-8
Carlos Dunlap*, DE, FloridaThis is a high-value pick for the Giants, whose defensive line depth I feel has been overstated. There are makeup questions surrounding Dunlap, but for much of this past season, he was considered the premier pass-rusher in the college game. He has the potential to be like Jevon Kearse.

San Francisco 49ers (from Carolina)Record: 8-8
Earl Thomas*, S, TexasThe 49ers need help in pass coverage, and Thomas fits because he's a great value here, whereas reaching for a CB at No. 16 wouldn't represent good value at all. Thomas isn't a huge guy but can cover a tremendous amount of real estate.

Tennessee TitansRecord: 8-8
Everson Griffen*, DE, USCPierre-Paul likely won't fall this far, so the Titans get a gifted underclassman who looked like a pro coming out of high school and now is living up to his potential. He already has an NFL frame, and when Griffen is consistent, he's a strong pass-rusher.

Pittsburgh SteelersRecord: 9-7
Bryan Bulaga*, OT, IowaPittsburgh clearly needs help up front if it wants to return to power running and protecting the quarterback, and Bulaga is an emerging tackle with great feet from a pro-style system. The Steelers will improve immediately, and he wears the black and gold well already.

Atlanta FalconsRecord: 9-7
Sergio Kindle, OLB, TexasThe Falcons could use some help at OLB, and Kindle's continued improvement throughout the season is appealing. He's not quite in the class of Brian Orakpo, but he is a similar type of player and has proved to be very physical.

Houston TexansRecord: 9-7
Brian Price*, DT, UCLAPrice is hidden away a bit in such a deep class of defensive linemen, but he's a disruptive force who utilizes great leverage. He should add depth to an improving defense.

Cincinnati BengalsRecord: 10-6
Aaron Hernandez*, TE, FloridaThey need to give Carson Palmer options in the passing game aside from who already is there, and Hernandez is the most athletic TE available, a guy with surprising run-after-catch ability. The favorite target of Tebow at Florida, he could offer immediate help in the passing game.

New England PatriotsRecord: 10-6
Ricky Sapp, OLB, ClemsonThe Patriots clearly need help when it comes to getting to opposing quarterbacks, and Sapp is an ideal fit on the edge in the 3-4. He's the kind of athlete who can adjust to being upright and flat-out knows how to get to the quarterback.

Green Bay Packers Record: 11-5
Taylor Mays, S, USC
If you had told Green Bay in August that it could get Mays at No. 23 overall, the Packers would have been thrilled. An extraordinary athlete, Mays might have suffered against expectations, but the Pack hit a home run with Clay Matthews Jr. out of USC last year, and Mays both fills a need and has great potential.

Philadelphia EaglesRecord: 11-5
Navorro Bowman*, OLB, Penn StateThe Eagles need an athletic OLB, and they get a lot of value by landing Bowman here. Bowman lacks size, but any parsing on measurables can't overcome his great play on film. Could end up as the best at his position in this class.

Baltimore RavensRecord: 9-7
Jermaine Gresham*, TE, OklahomaGresham is so good that while he sat out his junior year, I left him on the Big Board the whole time. Now healthy, he's a great find this late in the first round and a perfect target for Joe Flacco as an heir to Todd Heap. At a hair over 6-6 and 262 pounds, he's the total package at TE.

Arizona CardinalsRecord: 10-6
Dan Williams, DT, TennesseeI see this position as the second-biggest need for the Cardinals, and Williams is a great value here. Tremendously strong in the lower body, he is a disruptive force against the run.

Dallas CowboysRecord: 11-5
Bruce Campbell*, OT, MarylandJ
erry Jones knows he needs to address the tackle position after the debacle he witnessed against Minnesota in the divisional round of the playoffs, and Campbell, while still learning, is a tremendous talent at this position.

San Diego ChargersRecord: 13-3
Jonathan Dwyer*, RB, Georgia TechWith the possible departure of LaDainian Tomlinson on the horizon, Dwyer represents the player who can handle 20-plus carries in an offense that already has a great speed back in Darren Sproles. Dwyer has ideal size and shows explosiveness.

New York JetsRecord: 9-7
Golden Tate*, WR, Notre DameThe Jets must give Mark Sanchez some weapons in the passing game, and while Tate has question marks on his ability to separate, he is more physical than many think and has always been a playmaker. In the mold of Laveranues Coles.

Minnesota Vikings Record: 12-4
Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
Need meets value here. Robinson is the second-best corner in the draft, and Minnesota should be happy to grab him this late. Robinson has the chance to step in and contribute.

New Orleans Saints Record: 13-3
Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
Odrick is an ideal pick here for the Saints, who are looking to add stability to the rush defense. His presence helped standout LBs Bowman and Sean Lee run free up in Happy Valley, and the Saints will ask for the same.

Indianapolis Colts Record: 14-2
Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
Graham was a one-man show for the Wolverines, leading the nation in tackles for loss as a senior. Always in the backfield, he's a guy who can learn under master pass-rushers in Indy and build on the tradition. He's been on my Big Board all year, so a good value this late.

* -- Draft-eligible junior/redshirt sophomore

cvv84
01-20-2010, 03:03 PM
Ugh... I wouldn't like that pick at all. It would be like having a bigger, more athletic Atari Bigby.

Favre4ever
01-20-2010, 03:14 PM
Ugh... I wouldn't like that pick at all. It would be like having a bigger, more athletic Atari Bigby.

More like a bigger, more athletic Aaron Rouse. Im sure TT will come up with an unknown small schooler athlete in the later rounds to compete with Bigby. I might be wrong, but I dont think Mays has the range to play SS in our scheme.

cvv84
01-20-2010, 03:29 PM
More like a bigger, more athletic Aaron Rouse. Im sure TT will come up with an unknown small schooler athlete in the later rounds to compete with Bigby. I might be wrong, but I dont think Mays has the range to play SS in our scheme.

Bigby can at least tackle. Hence the comparison.

RyanBraun8
01-20-2010, 03:52 PM
Ummmm Bruce Campbell still on board @ 23 is my first question mark and the second on is we pass on him? The fumes from his hair products must be messin with his mind.

J-Mike88
01-20-2010, 06:41 PM
S Taylor Mays, OT Bruce Campbell, CB Patrick Robinson, or OLB Brandon Graham... all are available at our pick.

Which guy would each of you vote for if that was the case?

cvv84
01-20-2010, 06:51 PM
S Taylor Mays, OT Bruce Campbell, CB Patrick Robinson, or OLB Brandon Graham... all are available at our pick.

Which guy would each of you vote for if that was the case?

I don't really like Robinson in the 1st. Campbell or Grahm would be ideal in this situation. I'd have to lean towards Campbell seeing thats a much bigger need IMO.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-20-2010, 07:03 PM
I don't really like Robinson in the 1st. Campbell or Grahm would be ideal in this situation. I'd have to lean towards Campbell seeing thats a much bigger need IMO.

definitly agree. robinson is not a first round cb. i live in florida and root for the criminoles if im forced to root for someone and he was exploited all year long.

id easily go with graham or even mays.

princefielder28
01-21-2010, 11:04 PM
bored, so i came up with this....

1. Mike Iupati - OL - Idaho
2. Amari Spievey - CB - Iowa
3. Eric Norwood - OLB - South Carolina
4. Larry Asante - S - Nebraska
5. Derek Hardman - OT - Eastern Kentucky

just five round projection of what i'd kinda like to see...projections courtesy of NFL Draft Scout

RyanBraun8
01-22-2010, 12:18 AM
1. OT Bruce Campbell -Maryland
2. CB Donovon Warren- Michigan
3. RB/WR Dexter McCluster- Ole Miss (Harvin type)
4. OLB Cameron Sheffield-Troy
5. TE Jimmy Graham- Miami
6. SS Barry Church Toledo
7. QB Ryan Perrilliox Jackson St. My boy can flat out flat just has to stay out of trouble.

ImBrotherCain
01-22-2010, 09:05 AM
1. OT Bruce Campbell -Maryland
2. CB Donovon Warren- Michigan
3. RB/WR Dexter McCluster- Ole Miss (Harvin type)
4. OLB Cameron Sheffield-Troy
5. TE Jimmy Graham- Miami
6. SS Barry Church Toledo
7. QB Ryan Perrilliox Jackson St. My boy can flat out flat just has to stay out of trouble.

This honestly would be an amazing draft but i just dont see it happening. Warren wont be there that late in the second round.

RyanBraun8
01-22-2010, 04:08 PM
That is what I was thinkin bout all the rankings I've seen have dropped him down a bit

bigboiajhawk
01-23-2010, 08:03 AM
S Taylor Mays, OT Bruce Campbell, CB Patrick Robinson, or OLB Brandon Graham... all are available at our pick.

Which guy would each of you vote for if that was the case?

I would say Mays...Let's see Mays goes about 230 will easily run in the 4.4's and quite possibly will put up some amazing bench press numbers, not that it really matters to TT though. Someone mentioned that he doesn't have range, I find that a bit odd, because all he did at USC was play centerfield. I would take Mays any day, although it would be close between him and Brandon Graham. No offense to Bigby, but the guy can't stay healthy, he is okay against good teams, and great against poor teams. I think it would be amazing to have Collins and Mays in the secondary. I mean Capers could play all three safeties at the same time, you could have one of them blitz and then the two play coverage. I just think there are so many opportunities for the defense with a guy like Mays. I still find it unlikely that Mays lasts this far, so I guess realisically I would take Graham, and I would be very happy with the pick.

RyanBraun8
01-23-2010, 11:04 AM
Bruce Campbell for sure, drafting a guy because he is 230 fast and strong aka workout warrior most often will bust def when you don't play like your a fast strong 230 saftey

cvv84
01-23-2010, 11:43 AM
Bruce Campbell for sure, drafting a guy because he is 230 fast and strong aka workout warrior most often def when you don't play like your a fast strong 230 saftey

Definetly. Iupati is really growing on me though, which typically means that he'll get really hyped up before the draft and go before the Packers pick. Happens every year (Mario Williams, Marshawn Lynch, DRC).

I really don't understand the love you guys have for Mays though. I don't see how drafting a big bodied safety which questionable ball skills, takes bad angles, and goes for a knockout hit instead of wrapping up is going to solve anything for the defense.

RyanBraun8
01-23-2010, 12:28 PM
Definetly. Iupati is really growing on me though, which typically means that he'll get really hyped up before the draft and go before the Packers pick. Happens every year (Mario Williams, Marshawn Lynch, DRC).

I really don't understand the love you guys have for Mays though. I don't see how drafting a big bodied safety which questionable ball skills, takes bad angles, and goes for a knockout hit instead of wrapping up is going to solve anything for the defense.

Yeah I don't get it at all, he has all the tangables but he doesn't have them all together. He doesn't at the level he should, I'd happy with taking Asante or Rolle later or even Church I think could be okay

princefielder28
01-23-2010, 12:28 PM
I think Iupati could be what Branden Albert was a couple of years ago, meaning he won't be available at 23

cvv84
01-23-2010, 12:36 PM
Yeah I don't get it at all, he has all the tangables but he doesn't have them all together. He doesn't at the level he should, I'd happy with taking Asante or Rolle later or even Church I think could be okay

I think anyone to really compete with Bigby would be ideal. Its not like he was completely horrible and needs to be replaced either. Not too mention that Woodson could be moved to safety in a year or 2.

cvv84
01-23-2010, 01:30 PM
I think Iupati could be what Branden Albert was a couple of years ago, meaning he won't be available at 23

Definetly possible. The last time we saw a guard of this quality go high was Shawn Andrews at pick 16. That likely means though that one of top 5 tackles will be available when we pick. If Iupati gets past pick 15 I wouldn't be opposed to trading up and grabbing him. I think teams like the Steelers and Patriots would be our biggest competitors for an offensive lineman.

J-Mike88
01-23-2010, 01:32 PM
I want Brandon Graham in this scenario simply because I think the guy is going to be a guy who gets to the QB for about 50 sacks over his first 5 seasons, and opposite Matthews, that would make our DB's look a lot better.

Graham is a stud, plus solid citizen which you all know is important to this organization.

cvv84
01-23-2010, 04:21 PM
I want Brandon Graham in this scenario simply because I think the guy is going to be a guy who gets to the QB for about 50 sacks over his first 5 seasons, and opposite Matthews, that would make our DB's look a lot better.

Graham is a stud, plus solid citizen which you all know is important to this organization.

Alot is going to be dependant on how he messures. Jason Pierre-Paul would be another canidate as an OLB for us. I think his stock is going to start falling a bit.

Scott has us taking Clemson DE/OLB Ricky Sapp. I'm not a real fan of the Clemson program seeing the recent busts that they've produced. He's got the size and speed though.

I also think that Brandon Spikes might be a good option too. Hawk obviously has been a disapointment. Barnett is solid but doesn't have the strength inside. And Chillar could get more opportunites at OLB in combination with Jones.

RyanBraun8
01-23-2010, 04:53 PM
I really don't see Chillar as a starting OLB in a 3-4 at all, Hawk had a good year and fits in great in the 34, can't hate on him for not being able to run with S. Holmes or V. Davis. Barnett is fine in the middle also. We had one of the best defense against the rush in a big part due to Hawk and Barnetts defense up the middle. On defense we need secondary depth, another OLB and depending on Prickett and Jolly possibly another DL.

I'm not sure about drafting a guard right away. We have two guys who are much more suited to play Guard than Tackle in Lang and Barbre. I know everyone here dislikes Barbre but truth is that he is one of our top Lineman in run blocking and I think he could handle fine against the rush inside. TT loves to draft tweeners that are interchangable on the line and think with an off-season of guard work he'd be fine. Lang I don't think is a franchise LT but could be a very solid good RT or G

cvv84
01-23-2010, 09:07 PM
I really don't see Chillar as a starting OLB in a 3-4 at all, Hawk had a good year and fits in great in the 34, can't hate on him for not being able to run with S. Holmes or V. Davis. Barnett is fine in the middle also. We had one of the best defense against the rush in a big part due to Hawk and Barnetts defense up the middle. On defense we need secondary depth, another OLB and depending on Prickett and Jolly possibly another DL.

I'm not sure about drafting a guard right away. We have two guys who are much more suited to play Guard than Tackle in Lang and Barbre. I know everyone here dislikes Barbre but truth is that he is one of our top Lineman in run blocking and I think he could handle fine against the rush inside. TT loves to draft tweeners that are interchangable on the line and think with an off-season of guard work he'd be fine. Lang I don't think is a franchise LT but could be a very solid good RT or G

I disagree with SOOO much of this that it would take me too long to respond.

J-Mike88
01-23-2010, 09:09 PM
Scott has us taking Clemson DE/OLB Ricky Sapp. I'm not a real fan of the Clemson program seeing the recent busts that they've produced. He's got the size and speed though.

I also think that Brandon Spikes might be a good option too. Hawk obviously has been a disapointment. Barnett is solid but doesn't have the strength inside. And Chillar could get more opportunites at OLB in combination with Jones.
Cal/Tedford had produced a batch of recent QB busts too, and we bucked that trend.
I like Ricky Sapp.... didn't we once have a good LB from Clemson named Wayne Simmons, or was it a different school?
He was key to our Super Bowl teams... mean bastard. Took no s.... from anyone. I wonder if Sapp can bring that back. I just want sacks from that side though.

cvv84
01-23-2010, 09:12 PM
Cal/Tedford had produced a batch of recent QB busts too, and we bucked that trend.
I like Ricky Sapp.... didn't we once have a good LB from Clemson named Wayne Simmons, or was it a different school?
He was key to our Super Bowl teams... mean bastard. Took no s.... from anyone. I wonder if Sapp can bring that back. I just want sacks from that side though.

I think the Tedford busts were more due to terrible teams forcing a young QB into action way too early. We had the luxuary of sitting Rodgers and letting him develop.

So because we drafted a LB from Clemson over a decade ago its going to be the same result?

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-23-2010, 11:42 PM
if we take JPP i will probably be more disappointed then when we picked harrell. kids a one year wonder.

to whoever said hawk and nick fit great in this defense.. get ready to be torn a new one by someone on here. but i really like them both and am fine with having them as the two ILB.. are they the best fit.. no. i feel like there are other things to worry about for now though

RyanBraun8
01-24-2010, 01:14 AM
if we take JPP i will probably be more disappointed then when we picked harrell. kids a one year wonder.

to whoever said hawk and nick fit great in this defense.. get ready to be torn a new one by someone on here. but i really like them both and am fine with having them as the two ILB.. are they the best fit.. no. i feel like there are other things to worry about for now though

Yeah I kind of expect it but its true it is not a need, we are 4 deep with Barnett, Hawk, Chillar, Bishop. I really don't see any reason to add a 5th. Def waste a 1st on one.

CVV84, so do you really think Lang and Barbre are best at OT? Or that Lang could actually be are future LT? I think Lang could be an average or good RT but he profiles much better at guard. Same goes for Barbre. Last year was his first full-year at OT and he actually did a great job in the run game. The worse thing for him by far was his pass rush technique and foot work. It is much easier to pass protect inside than outside. The guy is strong as hell and physical which is big when it comes to pass blocking at guard. It is not as much foot work as it is physicality . You aren't dropping straight back and trying to ride a much faster guy off the edge but rather taking a drop step and getting right into a guy. He could be a really good guard. Just because a player struggled at OT doesn't mean he can't be a good OG. Look at Robert Gallery....God aweful at tackle, just brutal....gets moved inside and now he is a pro-bowl caliber LG. I hated Barbre as much as anyone during the season at RT but he is still a good young player who was just playing out of position.

Our needs on defense are to add more DB depth another OLB and possibly a DL if we lose Prickett to FA or Jolly to RFA. Those are our needs. IMO I truely don't see Chillar as the answer at OLB.

The fact is we had a great defense and were excellent against the run. When we got beat it wasn't on the ground and from Barnett being to weak and Hawk not doing a good job but in our secondary. We could use a guy like Graham or Kindle to add more pressure on the other side of Clay and really could give our best blitzing ILB more PT in Bishop but we not need to waste picks on a guy like Spikes.

J-Mike88
01-24-2010, 07:25 AM
I think the Tedford busts were more due to terrible teams forcing a young QB into action way too early. We had the luxuary of sitting Rodgers and letting him develop.

So because we drafted a LB from Clemson over a decade ago its going to be the same result?

Of course not.
But past results with Cal QB's are as indicative as they are with Clemson LB's.
In other words, each case is their own going forward.....I was just responding to someone's question about Sapp because some other guys before him from Clemson didn't pan out. Those guys are their own men, as Wayne Simmons was. None of it matters. All that matters is Ricky Sapp.

cvv84
01-24-2010, 12:38 PM
Yeah I kind of expect it but its true it is not a need, we are 4 deep with Barnett, Hawk, Chillar, Bishop. I really don't see any reason to add a 5th. Def waste a 1st on one.

Sorry but if you think Barnett and Hawk are above average starters at MLB in the 34 then you are sorely mistaken. Both players flow to the ball which in the 43 works well, but in the 34 they're taking on more blockers. Barnett is solid but Hawk and Bishop are liabilities against the pass. Why do you think Bishop continues to sit on the bench every year and Chillar comes in on the nickel packages for Hawk?

CVV84, so do you really think Lang and Barbre are best at OT? Or that Lang could actually be are future LT? I think Lang could be an average or good RT but he profiles much better at guard. Same goes for Barbre. Last year was his first full-year at OT and he actually did a great job in the run game. The worse thing for him by far was his pass rush technique and foot work. It is much easier to pass protect inside than outside. The guy is strong as hell and physical which is big when it comes to pass blocking at guard. It is not as much foot work as it is physicality . You aren't dropping straight back and trying to ride a much faster guy off the edge but rather taking a drop step and getting right into a guy. He could be a really good guard. Just because a player struggled at OT doesn't mean he can't be a good OG. Look at Robert Gallery....God aweful at tackle, just brutal....gets moved inside and now he is a pro-bowl caliber LG. I hated Barbre as much as anyone during the season at RT but he is still a good young player who was just playing out of position.

I wouldn't be suprised to see both Clifton and Tauscher back seeing we have no true replacements on our roster. If you actually came around the board more I've said numerous times that I'd prefet Lang at LG. And if you actually looked at my original post you commented I switched Lang to OT because of us taking Iupati.

Our needs on defense are to add more DB depth another OLB and possibly a DL if we lose Prickett to FA or Jolly to RFA. Those are our needs. IMO I truely don't see Chillar as the answer at OLB.

I know what our needs are, we all do, but you can't always draft a need. I never said Chillar was the answer at OLB either, just that his size holds up better against the run. Jones can come in on passing downs and Chillar can take Hawk's place - assuming Hawk is even on the team next year.

I can almost guarantee that Pickett isn't going anywhere and Jolly surely isn't going anywhere.


The fact is we had a great defense and were excellent against the run. When we got beat it wasn't on the ground and from Barnett being to weak and Hawk not doing a good job but in our secondary. We could use a guy like Graham or Kindle to add more pressure on the other side of Clay and really could give our best blitzing ILB more PT in Bishop but we not need to waste picks on a guy like Spikes.

You're kidding yourself if you think we truely had a great defense last year. Yes we were very good against the run but we struggled bad against the pass against good QBs. This years defense resembles the year when we had back in 2005 when we were tops against the pass and just terrible against the run. The stats get skewed when you play bad teams with bad QBs.

if we take JPP i will probably be more disappointed then when we picked harrell. kids a one year wonder.
B.J. Raji and Clay Matthews weren't one year wonders either?

RyanBraun8
01-24-2010, 12:43 PM
I don't think its the college that makes the pro but the player do. Some systems make players seem better than they really are but doesn't mean all of them are going to be busts. Tedford has had some pretty big bust but all were thrown into the line of fire except for Rodgers. You never know, maybe Akili Smith or Harrington could have been better if they were given time to learn and not be rushed. It is all on the player if they bust, school doesn't matter.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-24-2010, 09:29 PM
the haitian sensation was at USF for one year. theres a reason for that.

cvv84
01-24-2010, 11:27 PM
the haitian sensation was at USF for one year. theres a reason for that.

Yeah he was a JUCO transfer. He chose USF over Florida, Miami, Florida State, Kansas State, Arizona and Nebraska and Oklahoma State so its not like there wasn't top notch programs after him.

I don't remember if it was Kiper or McShay but one of them said that they think JPP will be one of the drafts biggest risers.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-24-2010, 11:38 PM
Yeah he was a JUCO transfer. He chose USF over Florida, Miami, Florida State, Kansas State, Arizona and Nebraska and Oklahoma State so its not like there wasn't top notch programs after him.

I don't remember if it was Kiper or McShay but one of them said that they think JPP will be one of the drafts biggest risers.

i wouldnt be surprised if they both said it. hes going to be the workout warrior at the combine and he will steam roll into the draft for sure. i doubt he wouldve had the same impact at florida. maybe the other programs though. idk i just feel like we should pick someone safer thats all

cvv84
01-24-2010, 11:44 PM
i wouldnt be surprised if they both said it. hes going to be the workout warrior at the combine and he will steam roll into the draft for sure. i doubt he wouldve had the same impact at florida. maybe the other programs though. idk i just feel like we should pick someone safer thats all

Oh same here, just throwing out some names out there in the event that our top safe picks are gone.

cuzifelt1ikeit
01-25-2010, 12:07 PM
Oh same here, just throwing out some names out there in the event that our top safe picks are gone.

oh now i get where youre coming from then. i mean he wouldnt be a bad pick should the safer ones be gone i guess. who would you rather have? jpp or taylor mays?

J-Mike88
01-25-2010, 01:51 PM
Bruce Campbell could turn out to be our Marcus McNeil?

cvv84
01-25-2010, 07:55 PM
oh now i get where youre coming from then. i mean he wouldnt be a bad pick should the safer ones be gone i guess. who would you rather have? jpp or taylor mays?

Thats a tough question. I'm just not a Mays fan though so I'd have to take the high risk high reward player in JPP. I really want Iupati though.

Bruce Campbell could turn out to be our Marcus McNeil?

He's got more risk involved in him then McNeil did. I think he could really pay off though if developed properly.

J-Mike88
01-25-2010, 08:12 PM
He's got more risk involved in him then McNeil did. I think he could really pay off though if developed properly.
Remember, a lot of doctors felt McNeil's back was a very big risk....

bigboiajhawk
01-25-2010, 08:48 PM
Pretty bad news on the Wisconsin front...O'Brien Schofield reportedly has had an MRI to examine his injured knee.

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Wilson-Schofield-injury-update.html

Well, I would still take him in the fourth round, maybe fifth if we got lucky.

bigboiajhawk
02-01-2010, 08:29 PM
Okay so here is my mock post senior bowl, pre combine:

1) Brandon Graham: I know he has had tons of great press, but I think that will slide a little when it comes to the combine and he doesn't run a 4.6. I think he is a legitimate possibility, and I would love to see it happen.

2) Joe McKnight: We have Grant as our #1 and Jackson has proved to be quite the blocker, now it is time to add the speedster to the group. I like McCluster, but I think he will be gone by this time, otherwise I would have selected him. With McKnight we have our homerun threat, and a guy that we can motion out of the backfield and will be an instant mismatch.

3) Major Wright: Hard hitting safety, adds depth to our team, could push Bigby for starting spot, and if anything else he is a nice insurance plan to have.

4) Tony Moeaki: It might be a round too early for this TE, but when healthy, he is one of the best in the whole TE group

5) O'Brien Schofield: I would love to see the Packers draft him no matter what, he is just a good player and could end up being a steal for a team in the draft.

6) Sam Young: Gotta give this guy a shot, would develop behind Tauscher and battle it out with Giacommini and Barbre.

7) Nyan Boateng: WR from Cal, good athlete, never really develop into a legitimate receiver, but is big, and could be a nice practice squad player.


I think it is still too early to be doing this as we do not know what is going to be happening with free agency, but I gave it a shot. I also don't see any OT prospects worthwhile in the early rounds after Bulaga and Davis, and I think Iupati is gone. Also, I think TT hits free agency for a decent CB.

J-Mike88
02-01-2010, 09:18 PM
Okay so here is my mock post senior bowl, pre combine:

1) Brandon Graham: I know he has had tons of great press, but I think that will slide a little when it comes to the combine and he doesn't run a 4.6. I think he is a legitimate possibility, and I would love to see it happen.

2) Joe McKnight: We have Grant as our #1 and Jackson has proved to be quite the blocker, now it is time to add the speedster to the group. I like McCluster, but I think he will be gone by this time, otherwise I would have selected him. With McKnight we have our homerun threat, and a guy that we can motion out of the backfield and will be an instant mismatch.

3) Major Wright: Hard hitting safety, adds depth to our team, could push Bigby for starting spot, and if anything else he is a nice insurance plan to have.

4) Tony Moeaki: It might be a round too early for this TE, but when healthy, he is one of the best in the whole TE group

5) O'Brien Schofield: I would love to see the Packers draft him no matter what, he is just a good player and could end up being a steal for a team in the draft.

6) Sam Young: Gotta give this guy a shot, would develop behind Tauscher and battle it out with Giacommini and Barbre.

7) Nyan Boateng: WR from Cal, good athlete, never really develop into a legitimate receiver, but is big, and could be a nice practice squad player.


I think it is still too early to be doing this as we do not know what is going to be happening with free agency, but I gave it a shot. I also don't see any OT prospects worthwhile in the early rounds after Bulaga and Davis, and I think Iupati is gone. Also, I think TT hits free agency for a decent CB.
I like the mock, although I really really do not want McKnight with our 2nd pick.
#1-our offense is great already and our top 2 RBs are good and young.
#2-McKnight has not been durable in college.
#3- we just need too much help at CB, OT to use the 2 on a RB that's not that productive and would be slated as a 3rd down back, in which we already have a good one I think, in BJ. Solid blocker, good hands, good speed. Not great in anything, but good. BTW, I think McCluster WILL be there at that pick and he excites me more than McKnight.

cvv84
02-02-2010, 05:07 PM
Here's my first attempt. I posted this in the main Packers thread but I have a feeling its going to get buried soon.

1) OT Bruce Campbell - I like his potential and attributes. Raw but I think a year of development would do wonders.

2) DE Corey Wootton - Not a huge need but good value and provides depth at DE.

3) OC Maurkice Pouncey - Bigger and stronger than Wells. A guy who could anchor the line for the next decade.

4) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - Nice size and has descent speed. A playmaker but needs work on tackling.

5) RB Javarris James - Solid runner with lots of tread on the tires.

6) WR Taylor Price - Good size and speed. Developmental WR who can return punts and kickoffs.

7) OT Derek Hardman - Good size. Has experience at both tackle positions. Good run blocker and a smart kid.

7) QB Rusty Smith - Great size. Experienced. Big arm.

princefielder28
02-02-2010, 05:24 PM
I'm not the biggest fan of Wootton and I think his best fit is at LE in a 4-3 but outside of that I like the picks.

J-Mike88
02-02-2010, 05:27 PM
1) OT Bruce Campbell - I like his potential and attributes. Raw but I think a year of development would do wonders. I REALLY LIKE THIS PICK, although I LOVE BRANDON GRAHAM MORE.

2) DE Corey Wootton - Not a huge need but good value and provides depth at DE. I DONT KNOW MUCH ABOUT HIM, AND FEEL WE HAVE NO OPENINGS ON THE DL AS IT IS, plus MIGHT MIGHT MIGHT get HARRELL BACK. MIGHT*

3) OC Maurkice Pouncey - Bigger and stronger than Wells. A guy who could anchor the line for the next decade. I LIKE THIS GUY, but I THINK WELLS IS BETTER-than-DECENT, is UNDERRATED. AND I THOUGHT SPITZ WAS THE GREAT HOPE AS THE BIGGER CENTER FOR US?

4) CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah - Nice size and has decent speed. A playmaker but needs work on tackling. GREAT PICK

5) RB Javarris James - Solid runner with lots of tread on the tires.
EVEN THOUGH I LIKE OUR RB's, this is a GREAT PICK. MIAMI CHURNS OUT GREAT RBs except lately THEIR OL has SUCKED.

6) WR Taylor Price - Good size and speed. Developmental WR who can return punts and kickoffs. GOOD PICK, will BATTLE SWAIN FOR THE #5 WR and a good prospect for the PRACTICE SQUAD in '10.

7) OT Derek Hardman - Good size. Has experience at both tackle positions. Good run blocker and a smart kid. SOLID VALUE

7) QB Rusty Smith - Great size. Experienced. Big arm. DECENT PLAYER, but TT & MM have been FINE WITH MATT FLYNN FOR 2 YEARS, and HE'S GOTTEN BETTER with TIME. You really think they'd draft another now? MAYBE, but I DON'T SEE THAT.

J-Mike88
02-04-2010, 10:42 AM
J-Mike88 Mock Draft 2010v4

This one took me awhile, so all comments welcome -good or bad. I gave into you suckers and do not have us outbiding the others for Peppers, sadly. I know it would be a longshot -even though I know it would help, because we are aware of TT's philosophy.

KEPT:
John Kuhn
Jason Spitz
Johnny Jolly
Ryan Pickett
Atari Bigby
Nick Collins
Derrick Martin
Mark Tauscher
Chad Clifton

GONE:
Allen Barbre
Jeremy Kapinos
Jeremy Thompson
Jarrett Bush (don’t let the door hit you on the way out)
Ahman Green (I love Ahman, and if anyone gets knicked up, he’s back)
Matt Giordano
Daryn Colledge (tagged 2nd rounder, signed away, let go for 2nd rd comp)
Donald Lee
Mike Montgomery
Will Blackmon
Josh Bell
Deshawn Wynn
*Aaron Kampman (tagged & traded)
*AJ Hawk (traded)

OFF SEASON ACTIVITY

Tags & Trades

-The Packers DO pursue Peppers as they did Chris Canty last year, but he gets too costly for Thompson and Peppers goes to New England instead, to be their 3-4 OLB.

-It’s true the Chargers need to free up some money to keep Sproles and Merriman, and they’re down on Antonio Cromartie. They think AJ Hawk will give them what they are missing at LB to go along with Shawn Phillips and Merriman, so there’s a rare NFL trade. Anyone remember the last blockbuster between the Packers & Chargers? I do…. We got John Jefferson from them. I was so happy then. I’m happy now with this, but I do like AJ Hawk. The thing is, he’s just a role player here and in our scheme, he’s a liability except on short yardage runs.

-Kampman is the one in control of his destiny, and at age 30, he decides between 2 tough choices. #1, stay in the town he likes for the Packers, in a scheme that never will feel natural to him, the 3-4 as OLB. Or go to another team that wants him, and back to his natural position as 4-3 DE where he thinks he can still excel. Enter the Jacksonville Jaguars who tried to play a 3-4 last year and are already scrapping it. Coach Jack Del Rio drafted 2 high picks 2 years ago to get pass rush, and both of those guys (Derrcik Harvey & Quinten Groves) have flopped. He’ll love Kampman, who will fetch a conditional pick ranging anywhere from a #2 to a #5, depending on how Kampman recovers and plays for the Jaguars. I will peg it as a 2010 3rd round pick. But again, if Kampman recovers fast and is able to play 14+ games for them and get 6+ sacks, that will mean the Packers and Jaguars will flip-flop picks in 2011.. in other words, it starts as a 3rd round pick, but it will be compensated more accurately in 2011 with teams flip-flopping picks somewhere between round 2 & 4 to adjust it based on how Kampman plays. I like those conditional picks to protect both teams.
If Kampman’s knee doesn’t respond and he’s only able to play a few games and does crappy, then we’d have to trade them our 3rd rounder for their 6th rounder in 2011, something like that.
*Planning ahead and getting something for Kampman becomes a win-win for everyone. Except those of us with #74 Kampman Packer jerseys. :( Things don't always work out like roses. We've had to let some talent go before, Kampman just isn't a great fit and he doesn't want to fight that anymore. Capers actually doesn't mind as he'll love Brandon Graham and he thinks he has something to grow with behind him and Clay in Jones & Obiozor.

FA Addition:
Sam Koch, Punter, Baltimore Ravens
He has been a consistent punter, able to pin opponents within the 20. He also gets good hang time on his punts, ranking in the top 10 in return yards allowed per punt. After signing a mid-level offer sheet a year ago, expect Koch and the Ravens to work on a contract extension, but in the end, he signs with the Packers after being blown away by both the Packers team and facilities last year when his Ravens were spanked like a naughty child by the Packers on Monday Night in 09..

THE 2010 NFL DRAFT

1) Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan -6'1" 262 lbs.
I believe he is the surest player in the draft after the top 10 picks. Graham finished his senior campaign with an amazing 25 TFL and 9.5 sacks. Won Senior Bowl MVP, and deservedly so. He was in the South backfield all afternoon and even made some great stops against the run. Mike Mayock compared Graham to LaMarr Woodley. Graham is too short to be a 4-3 defensive end, but he should feel right at home as a 3-4 rush linebacker. A match made in heaven with Clay Matthews. The Packers might boast the NFL’s best LB unit with Matthews, Barnett, Chillar, and Graham.

2) Javier Arenas, CB, Alabama, -5'9" 195 lbs.
First-Team All-American, Arenas had 70 tackles, 11 TFL, 5 sacks and 5 passes broken up. Arenas had just one return touchdown, but still averaged 15.4 on punt returns and 29.0 yards on kickoffs. With Cromartie brought in, Arenas wouldn’t need to play much CB in year 1 other than perhaps as a dime, and could focus on sparking the Packers kick and punt return game. Perfect situation for both Arenas and Packers.

3) Roger Saffold, OT, Indiana, -6’5” 317 lbs.
Moving up the boards, and will have a good combine and pro day. Finished his Indiana career with 41 starts, which has always been an important thing for Ted Thompson regarding his O-Linemen.

4) Robert Johnson, S, Utah, -6’2”, 203 lbs.
Good size and smarts. Johnson had a whopping 6 interceptions and 6 pass deflections to go along with 70 tackles and 4 TFL. Will give the Packers the depth they need at safety, which often is important with Atari Bigby being very unlucky with injuries. Johnson is not as big of a hitter as Bigby is, but he’s more sound in coverage, and is smarter.

5) Joique Bell, RB, Wayne St, -5’11”, 223 lbs.
Did everything for Wayne State - carried the ball, caught passes out of the backfield, returned kicks.
rushed for 1,152 yards and 12 touchdowns in 2008, and a whopping 2,084 rushing yards as a senior in 2009.
Bell is a bulldozer on wheels. A bit raw, but has a lot of upside in the NFL.

6a) James Williams, OT, Harvard, 6’5”, 302 lbs.
An athletic left tackle, James Williams was one of the main reasons why Harvard had the most potent offense in the Ivy League. The best Ivy League OL since Matt Birk. Not as raw as some people think he is. The only knock on him is he’s only 302 pounds, but his frame could easily add 10-15 pounds in time. Has natural smooth footwork, which is rare, especially from a player from Harvard. Obviously going to Harvard, he’s smarter than your average bear. He's even smarter than cvv84 perhaps. :p JK dog.

6b) Arthur Moats, OLB, James Madison, 6’ 2”, 252 lbs.
Good size and simply very productive. Division 1-AA First Team All-American, Moats recorded 23.5 TFL and 11 sacks as a senior and had a great junior year with 15.5 TFL and 11.5 sacks for 1-AA James Madison. Has a nose for opposing QBs. Will be an instant upgrade over Brady Poppinga on special teams, as well as playing OLB. Also capable of playing ILB in this scheme with good footwork and size. Was once quoted as saying his favorite sound in life is hearing the wind knocked out of the QB as he hits him before he can get the pass away.

7) LaBradford Smashley, NT/DE, Georgia Southern Correctional Institute, 6’3 3/4”, 337 lbs.
LBS dominated the Georgia prison leagues, is considered mean and relentless. Claims he was falsely accused of stealing an ex-girlfriend’s laptop, he’s due to be released this April. He has no other arrests or issues with the law. With that size and athletic ability, is worth a shot in round 7. Reminds some of Eric Swann, whom the Arizona Cardinals took back in the day, who some (Mark Schlereth) say was unblockable when healthy. Smashley is raw, but he just can’t be moved by just one blocker. He’ll make everybody forget the name Justin Harrell forever. Well maybe not as that pick will never be forgotten.

UNDRAFTED FREE AGENTS

Greg Boone, TE, Virginia Tech – 6’3”, 283 lbs.
More of an offensive tackle than a tight end, Greg Boone had just seven receptions but was an All-ACC second-teamer. Still, won’t drop as many passes as Donald Lee has lately, and can block better already.

Kerry Meier, WR, Kansas – 6’3, 220 lbs.
A total Ted Thompson kinda guy, he could beat out Swain this year if Swain doesn’t fully recover fast enough from the blown out knee. Meier caught 102 passes for 985 yards and 8 touchdowns as a senior. A former quarterback for Kansas, he made the transition to receiver, finishing his junior campaign with 97 receptions, 1,045 yards and 8 touchdowns.

Matt Nichols, QB, E Washington – 6’2”, 220 lbs.
Nichols put up prolific numbers at Division 1-AA Eastern Washington last year (3,744 yards, 34 TDs, 9 INTs), but he didn't play any BCS competition, so we don't really know what he's made of just yet.

Joe Thomas, OG, Pittsburgh – 6’5”, 302 lbs.
Packer fans have wanted Joe Thomas for a few years. Now they get him. Not the right one though.
This one played some tackle for Pitt, but settled in at guard and played well. Helped block for LeSean McCoy in 2008, and the fabulous freshman Dion Lewis in 2009, who broke Tony Dorsett’ freshman record there with 1799 yards as a frosh.


2010 DEPTH CHART

With this Total Mock, I have the 4 biggest changes as:
-Graham helping the pass rush.
-Cromartie helping the coverage and strenghtening us depth-wise there.
-Arenas giving us some spark in the return game.
-Koch improving our punting and with Arenas, overall field position. I don't expect many punts from us though next year. :cool:

OFFENSE
QB- Rodgers, Flynn, Nichols
RB- Grant, Jackson, Bell
FB- Johnson, Kuhn, Hall
WR- Jennings, Driver, Jones, Nelson, Swain or Meier
TE- Finley, Havner, Boone
LT- Clifton, Saffold
LG- Spitz, Lang
C- Wells, Spitz
RG- Sitton, Lang, Thomas
RT- Tauscher, Gioconimi

If the rookie can’t get ready to play as backup at LT, then it’s TJ Lang’s job.

SPECIAL TEAMS
K- Crosby
P- Koch
KR- Arenas
PR- Arenas, T Williams

DEFENSE
DE- Jenkins, Wynn
NT- Pickett, Smashley
DE- Raji, Jolly
OLB-Matthews, Obiozor
ILB-Barnett, Bishop
ILB-Chillar, Moats
OLB-Graham, B Jones
CB- Woodson, Harris, Arenas
CB- Cromartie, Tramon, Pat Lee

*The wiry thin Brandon Underwood will be hurt and placed on IR.
*Harris will be on the POP list at the start of the season, allowed to fully heal with Cromarie brought in.

princefielder28
02-04-2010, 11:03 AM
Props on the effort to put that together but two things that stand out as far as the picks go. I'm pretty sure that Ted Thompson is not a fan of undersized corners, and although Arenas is a special teams stud, his ceiling is nothing more than a nickel back in the NFL. The other one is the selection of Indiana's Rodger Saffold; I am a big fan of Saffold but I think his best fit will be inside at guard and doesn't project too well as a tackle, especially not as the future LT that we're looking for.

cvv84
02-04-2010, 11:11 AM
* Site messed up. See my post below.

ImBrotherCain
02-04-2010, 11:13 AM
J-Mike88 Mock Draft 2010v4


Greg Boone, TE, Virginia Tech – 6’3”, 283 lbs.
More of an offensive tackle than a tight end, Greg Boone had just seven receptions but was an All-ACC second-teamer. Still, won’t drop as many passes as Donald Lee has lately, and can block better already.



As a Hokie fan i was never huge on the guy but you cant deny his talent.

He was a QB coming out of High School and transitioned at least decently well to TE. Not extremely fast for a TE but can be deceptive for his size. Great blocker and decent hands. Is a load to bring down in open space.

Can also play QB in the Wildcat (Wild Turkey) formations

cvv84
02-04-2010, 11:19 AM
Yeah, very nice effort and thought.

I disagree with some of your 'gone' players though.

Allen Barbre - He's cheap, versitile, and under contract.

Jeremy Thompson - If he's healthy he could help at OLB.

Jarrett Bush - For all the **** he gets, he is what he is and thats a special teamer who can sub for a few plays. He's cheap too.

Daryn Colledge - Nobody is going to give us a 2nd round pick to sign him.

Will Blackmon - Again another cheap guy who when healthy is a very good returner and dime CB.

Aaron Kampman - In the end I think he re-signs. I don't alot of trade value in him right now.



I also don't see why the Chargers would want Hawk. He doesn't really fit in our 3-4 so how does he fit into their 3-4? Hawk's still pretty cheap at $4 in 2010 so I see no need to move him or ask him to reduce his salary.

I don't think Grahm will last until our pick and as PF pointed out, TT doesn't draft CBs that are under 5'10" unless they're a rare talent. Also when was the last time that 4 undrafted rookie free agents made an NFL team? Let alone all of a teams draft picks. We also have the Panthers 7th round pick from the J.J. Jansen trade.

J-Mike88
02-04-2010, 12:53 PM
Props on the effort to put that together but two things that stand out as far as the picks go. I'm pretty sure that Ted Thompson is not a fan of undersized corners, and although Arenas is a special teams stud, his ceiling is nothing more than a nickel back in the NFL.
Once in awhile, TT will deviate. Nobody really expected him to trade up into round 1 again to select Matthews. The reason I think a smaller corner is feasible now is that the Steeler corners have not been tall over their recent run, and we seem to take pages out of their scheme. If not Arenas, there will be other alternatives at that spot as this is a deep CB class. Kyle Wilson has moved up too much. That might mean someone else falls. But the improvement and strides that Arenas made this year makes me think he has a chance to be a solid NFL CB.

And more and more teams are utilizing little slot WRs and I think there's going to be more smaller, quicker corners as a result.

-Barbre sucks, Breno will get the chance this year
-Bush sucks, there's no more room for him
-J Thompson will reach an injury settlement for his neck
-I loved Will Blackmon, but the ACL will cost him. He won't have the same speed, quickness, and worse: gung-ho fearless attitude on PR's
-Colledge, yeah maybe he stays but I think he will get the 2-tag and would not be surprised if a team with problems at OG takes him instead of a low 2nd round pick of a new G. I'm so-so on Colledge. He has lovers and haters, I'm kinda in between on him. I love the Colledge Experience though.

cvv84
02-04-2010, 01:49 PM
In the Draft Countdown mock I took Mike Iupati with the 23rd overall pick. Then I traded back into the 1st round, 29th overall, to take Bruce Campbell.

Hopefully that solidifies our offensive line for the next 5-7 years with Campbell at LT, Iupati at LG, Wells/Spitz at C, Sitton at RG, and whoever at RT.

Downside is I don't pick again until the 3rd round but I feel like I drastically improved a major sore spot on our team.

umphrey
02-04-2010, 05:36 PM
J-Mike88 Mock Draft 2010v4
[see post - too long to post it all again]

Nice accomplishment. Lots of good information and food for thought.

-Agreed on Peppers, for lots of reasons
-Hawk for Cromartie: I hate Cro but I would make that trade. Too bad that trade couldn't happen because Thompson probably hates Cro too. Also San Diego would find a lot better options on the trade market than an average ILB that's going to get expensive and require contract negotiation soon. Also Hawk doesn't fit the San Diego profile (they like to draft their own players and put high emphasis on measurables).
-Colledge: You're assuming there is a team out there that would trade a second rounder for him and sign him to a decent sized long term deal. Can't imagine that team exists.
-Sam Koch: YES! Please bring in a decent punter. Open your wallets to this position! Our battle for field position has been abysmal for 2 years straight. If we sign a good or decent punter that would be such a huge win and help the team for such little cost.
-Brandon Graham: I'd support this pick even though OLB is low on my want list for our 1st pick because he'll be a good player and I'll take someone I'm confident in over someone who plays a position any day.
-Javier Arenas: I don't like small corners so I'd rather get someone else. Word came out a few years ago that the Packers minimum height for a CB was either 5'10" or 5'11" (can't remember which), but we played a totally different defense then so it might be different. Personally I wouldn't touch a corner in the first 3 rounds under 5'11", maybe make an exception for a 5'10" guy.
-Spitz: I support bringing him back but as our interior lineman backup, first in line at backup LG, C, RG. I realize that means new LG and C next year which I also support, though may be unrealistic, in which case I would start Spitz at C with Wells as the backup and replace Colledge whom I hate.
-Kicker: We're gonna bring in competition for Crosby because he's missed so many kicks. He'll probably still be here in 2010 (he's great at kickoffs) but a UDFA kicker will be in training camp and could possibly win the job.
-QB: Don't see why we'd keep 3 on the roster. The position is the most stable it's been in 5 years and most of that time we only had 2.
-FB: I think the 3 fullback experiment ends with Quinn Johnson no longer a rookie and I don't think it helped the team at all last year. Keeping another quality OL, DB or RB would be so much more valuable. However I could see 3 RBs, 2 FBs and 1 RB/FB.

RyanBraun8
02-04-2010, 05:37 PM
Once in awhile, TT will deviate. Nobody really expected him to trade up into round 1 again to select Matthews. The reason I think a smaller corner is feasible now is that the Steeler corners have not been tall over their recent run, and we seem to take pages out of their scheme. If not Arenas, there will be other alternatives at that spot as this is a deep CB class. Kyle Wilson has moved up too much. That might mean someone else falls. But the improvement and strides that Arenas made this year makes me think he has a chance to be a solid NFL CB.

And more and more teams are utilizing little slot WRs and I think there's going to be more smaller, quicker corners as a result.

-Barbre sucks, Breno will get the chance this year
-Bush sucks, there's no more room for him
-J Thompson will reach an injury settlement for his neck
-I loved Will Blackmon, but the ACL will cost him. He won't have the same speed, quickness, and worse: gung-ho fearless attitude on PR's
-Colledge, yeah maybe he stays but I think he will get the 2-tag and would not be surprised if a team with problems at OG takes him instead of a low 2nd round pick of a new G. I'm so-so on Colledge. He has lovers and haters, I'm kinda in between on him. I love the Colledge Experience though.

Disagree, Barbre if playing the proper postion (guard) he would be a pretty good lineman He is the strongest lineman on our teams, athletic but had bad bad bad footwork when in pass protect . In the run game he is phenomianal which was one of the reasons why the Packers waited so long to replace him with Tauscher (would have signed earlier) or Lang. He is only what 24 or 25. Look at Robert Gallery was a sure fire bust in his first 3-4 seasons they moved him to LG and now he plays at a pro bowl level. When you evaluate a player you can't just say he gave up sacks he is the worst player ever. Actually watch him play. He has the skill set but needs to improve feet and if moved to guard that is not even a big problem because you are right into a guy instead of working off drop steps. Pound for Pound he is the strongest OL. I've seen his workouts and the guy is a beast. Very good work ethic also.

Bush sucks...... coverage- yes, ball skills-yes, special teams-F*** no, may be one of our top players next to Martin and Havner. Look at Tracy White, you don't need to be great on defense to be worth a roster spot, special teams IS A HUGE Deal. I coach HS football and we lost our only 2 games off special teams errors, one with less than 2 minutes left and the other with around 3 minutes left. We were a punt return and kick return away from a undeated season. Can't tell me good special teams players don't matter.

umphrey
02-04-2010, 05:44 PM
Disagree, Barbre if playing the proper postion (guard) he would be a pretty good lineman He is the strongest lineman on our teams, athletic but had bad bad bad footwork when in pass protect . In the run game he is phenomianal which was one of the reasons why the Packers waited so long to replace him with Tauscher (would have signed earlier) or Lang. He is only what 24 or 25. Look at Robert Gallery was a sure fire bust in his first 3-4 seasons they moved him to LG and now he plays at a pro bowl level. When you evaluate a player you can't just say he gave up sacks he is the worst player ever. Actually watch him play. He has the skill set but needs to improve feet and if moved to guard that is not even a big problem because you are right into a guy instead of working off drop steps. Pound for Pound he is the strongest OL. I've seen his workouts and the guy is a beast. Very good work ethic also.

I don't know what we were thinking when we put Barbre at RT. Offensive lineman can move inside but NOT the other way around. I agree completely that he'd make a good RG, maybe he could cut it at LG in more scheme. Watching him at tackle was painful. His footwork was just awful. He would go through the motions you could tell he had trained a million times and looked good doing it, except he'd go the exact same speed every time like he expected the DE would engage him every time. It's like he thought the DE was cheating or something when he just ran around him (which happened every play) and Barbre would never make any adjustments.

I think once Sitton came in and outplayed Barbre, the writing was on the wall for his exit. I bet the coaches put him at RT because we needed someone that could play there and they really like Barbre's physical tools and work ethic, but now that we have a RG we don't need him because I don't see him doing well anywhere else on the line.

cvv84
02-04-2010, 05:44 PM
Disagree, Barbre if playing the proper postion (guard) he would be a pretty good lineman


You are aware that Barbre coudln't beat out Colledge at guard 2 seasons ago right? I think that pretty much sums his value. I like him as a guard/tackle backup but nothing more.

JF4
02-04-2010, 05:49 PM
You are aware that Barbre coudln't beat out Colledge at guard 2 seasons ago right? I think that pretty much sums his value. I like him as a guard/tackle backup but nothing more.

Colledge was pretty good for us at guard 2 seasons ago. I know I wasn't alone in thinking he would be the long term answer there.

Now after this season I know he isn't but I do like the potential of Barbre at G and don't see the harm of holding on to him even if he is a backup next year.

umphrey
02-04-2010, 05:54 PM
Did Colledge get worse or is it just coming out how bad he is now that Clifton is running out of gas? I'm leaning towards the latter.

The reason I bring this up is because if you can answer this question you can probably answer if Barbre would be a better LG than him today. If I'm right then bad news for Barbre.

cvv84
02-04-2010, 06:04 PM
Did Colledge get worse or is it just coming out how bad he is now that Clifton is running out of gas? I'm leaning towards the latter.

The reason I bring this up is because if you can answer this question you can probably answer if Barbre would be a better LG than him today. If I'm right then bad news for Barbre.

I thought he always sucked but yeah, Clifton buring out surely puts him in the spotlight. It seemed like once Colledge get criticized he started to play well for a few games, only to regress back to his old ways later on. He almost plays too technical and thinks way too much instead of going out and mauling his opponent.

RyanBraun8
02-04-2010, 07:23 PM
You are aware that Barbre coudln't beat out Colledge at guard 2 seasons ago right? I think that pretty much sums his value. I like him as a guard/tackle backup but nothing more.

Come on....Collegde was a high draft pick who had played rather well as a Rookie and sophomore seasons. Barbre was a 4th round pick out of Mizzou Southern St. drafted on high potential. Did you really think the Packers were looking to replace their second round pick after only 2 season when he looked pretty good?

I think the main problem with Colledge is that they don't leave him alone. They move him over to LT back to LG back to LT back to LG. When he first came in and they let him play just LG unless Clifton and Moll both went down. His problems started after Moll was traded and he was now the guy who had to move over there every time Clifton got a little banged up (quite a bit the last few seasons).

cvv84
02-04-2010, 07:26 PM
Come on....Collegde was a high draft pick who had played rather well as a Rookie and sophomore seasons. Barbre was a 4th round pick out of Mizzou Southern St. drafted on high potential. Did you really think the Packers were looking to replace their second round pick after only 2 season when he looked pretty good?

I think the main problem with Colledge is that they don't leave him alone. They move him over to LT back to LG back to LT back to LG. When he first came in and they let him play just LG unless Clifton and Moll both went down. His problems started after Moll was traded and he was now the guy who had to move over there every time Clifton got a little banged up (quite a bit the last few seasons).

Come on... You really think Colledge was good?

RyanBraun8
02-04-2010, 07:41 PM
I thought he always sucked but yeah, Clifton buring out surely puts him in the spotlight. It seemed like once Colledge get criticized he started to play well for a few games, only to regress back to his old ways later on. He almost plays too technical and thinks way too much instead of going out and mauling his opponent.

Agree that Colledge doesn't really go out and maul people but Barbre is a different story. (unrelated to what you said, just adding to it) Let him not worry about his footwork and have to hold up fast DE's but put him in at guard where he can get his hands on a guy and get after them. I compare it your boy Iupati who at the senior bowl look amazing at LG and a top 20 pick. He is a big, strong, physical guy and was able to get after people. When they moved him over to LT he looked little a mid-round tackle at best and was getting beat left and right.

J-Mike88
02-04-2010, 07:42 PM
Either the JSonline or the Gannett guys graded the OL guys every year, and they ranked Colledge as the best one in 2008. I just read that somewhere this week.

He probably regressed this season because of being forced to cover for Clifton, at the same time that the damn was 100% broken on the other side with Barbre acting like a Walmart turnstyle on Black Friday.

RyanBraun8
02-04-2010, 07:44 PM
Come on... You really think Colledge was good?

He was good not great but solid. Not saying he was Wahle or Rivera good but he was a legit starter.

RyanBraun8
02-04-2010, 07:49 PM
Either the JSonline or the Gannett guys graded the OL guys every year, and they ranked Colledge as the best one in 2008. I just read that somewhere this week.

He probably regressed this season because of being forced to cover for Clifton, at the same time that the damn was 100% broken on the other side with Barbre acting like a Walmart turnstyle on Black Friday.

Lol, correct, correct and correct.

cvv84
02-04-2010, 08:16 PM
Either the JSonline or the Gannett guys graded the OL guys every year, and they ranked Colledge as the best one in 2008. I just read that somewhere this week.

He probably regressed this season because of being forced to cover for Clifton, at the same time that the damn was 100% broken on the other side with Barbre acting like a Walmart turnstyle on Black Friday.

Sitton graded out as our best Olineman. This is a very good site (http://www.profootballfocus.com/cstats.php?tab=by_team&season=2009&teamid=12&stype=a&stats=o) for evaluating players. Not entirely correct on some things but for the most part its pretty solid.

He was good not great but solid. Not saying he was Wahle or Rivera good but he was a legit starter.

I wouldn't even call him solid. He's a guy who we threw into the fire hoping he'd develop and never has.

RyanBraun8
02-04-2010, 09:15 PM
He developed fine at LG but regressed when they decide he needed to play LT also. I hated the shift! Colledge to LT, Spitz to LG, Wells to C. Do what a normal team does and find a back up T and put him in for the injuried T. Don't move a LG over there who hasn't played LT since college except very limited game time in emergencies. He was comfrontable, did a good job, and they screwed it all up. He'll bounce back, I think, if not we have Lang....Spitz...Barbre...Dietrich-Smith (I actually kind of like this guy).

I like how Meridith did a decent job for the Bills this season after we wouldn't even give him a shot. :/

EDIT: just checked it out he had 264 snaps play in 3 complete games and sub in for 5 others giving up 2 sacks 4 hits 1 pressure all at RT. Not the worls greatest but for a Rookie in limited time not to bad.

RyanBraun8
02-04-2010, 09:28 PM
CV good call on that site. It pretty incredible! I'm clued right now ha

- According to that Colledge was in a close second for top lineman behind Spitz in 2008.

- My home boy Babre only had 1 QB pressure at LG in his first 2 seasons (only 60 snaps but i'll take it)

- Also beside for the 5 sacks Lang gave against the Vikings he played very well at LT.

umphrey
02-04-2010, 10:52 PM
No way you can make excuses for Colledge because he played a little LT the 2 years prior to this one. Maybe then, not now. Just...no.

J-Mike88
02-04-2010, 11:24 PM
No way you can make excuses for Colledge because he played a little LT the 2 years prior to this one. Maybe then, not now. Just...no.

hey umphrey, is the "U" silent in that name? like an invisible "H"?
:cool:

i think our OL this year graded out/ranked like this:
#1- Sitton
#2- Wells
#3- Tauscher
#4- Clifton
#5- Lang
#6- Colledge
#7- Barb-Wire

J-Mike88
02-15-2010, 10:07 AM
NEW MOCK

I'm doing one here that's more of a prediction of what it tends to look like realistically, as opposed to what I'd do. You guys know Ted. I think last year's trade up was the exception for Ted. So here's what I forecast on draft day for Ted.

With the Patriots on the clock at pick #22, and the Packers on deck, the Packers War room and Packer Nation is excited that Brandon Graham is about to become a Packer. Horrifically, the Patriots select Graham right before our damn pick. As a result of that screw job:

TRADE ALERT:
After waiting for hours, Packer fans are pissed when they see their logo at #23 all of a sudden disappear and turn into #23 Kansas City.
The trade is: Packers trade their 1st round pick (#23 overall) to Kansas City for their two 2nd round picks. They are the #4 and #18 picks in round 2, or #36 & #50 overall. The Packers also send a 6th rounder to KC in the deal. http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

ROUND 2
Pick #36- Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State 6-0, 198
Practicing against #1 WR Dez Bryant for 3 years helped him develop his skills.
A big corner with good but not elite speed, Perrish Cox shadowed No. 1 receivers all year. He picked 4 passes and broke up 15 more. One concern however: Cox was suspended for Oklahoma State's winter scrimmage against Ole Miss for undisclosed reasons. Cox notched 32 tackles, 8 passes broken up and 2 picks as a junior. Also, Cox returned 2 kickoffs for touchdowns.
He should be able to step right in and play ahead of Underwood, Pat Lee, Jarrett Bush, and the oft-injured Will Blackmon.

Pick #50- Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida 6-3, 256
Inside linebackers like Rey Maualuga and James Laurinaitis have fallen into the second round recently, so don't be surprised if Brandon Spikes takes a tumble as well.
Spikes is a guy who should have come out last year, just like Taylor Mays and Sam Bradford. His stock slipped a little bit, but he's a good player and a better inside blitzer than Nick Barnett, AJ Hawk, and Brandon Chillar already. He's a maniac on special teams as well, which immediately can improve this team.

Pick #56- Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas 6-4, 254
Bigger than Matthews on the other side, he's a serious physical specimen, and a great value here in round 2.
Kindle is physically gifted and some team may fall in love with him at the Combine. However, he had only 6 sacks as a senior. But he looked good against Bama in the BCS Title game.

Sergio was better in 08 than 09. Though he was just a first-year starter in 2008, the hard-working Sergio Kindle made a name for himself, notching 46 tackles, 12.5 TFL and 10 sacks.

ROUND 3
Pick #86- Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale 6-9, 321
Another small-school look here from Ted Thompson, Veldheer fits the bill on the Packers OL, and has a chance to be the heir-apparent to Chad Clifton on the left side of the line.
This guy is gigantic and even if he doesn't move, he's got such great length, he's hard to get around.

ROUND 4- Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State
Great athlete and obvious smarts. He's a definite TT kind of player. Most projections I'm seeing have him available here. I doubt it though, but will leave him here until after the combine and see if he clearly raises his stock there in Indy.

ROUND 5- Derek Hardman, OT, Eastern Kentucky 6-6, 305
Another small-school look here from Ted Thompson, Veldheer fits the bill on the Packers OL, and has a chance to be the heir-apparent to Mark Tauscher on the right side of the line where Barbre failed big time and Breno has yet to show that he can play. The White Wall remains in tact for yet another season. :lol:

ROUND 6- Pick traded to KC

Comp Pick for Colin Cole- Freddy Barnes, WR, Bowling Green 6-2, 206
Though his offense inflated his numbers, they're still fun to look at: 155 receptions, 1,770 yards and 19 touchdowns.
Could replace Brett Swain as the Packers #5 WR, most likely will spend time on the practice squad as a rookie. Nice size.

ROUND 7- James Stark, RB, Buffalo 6-2, 211
Missed his entire season with a shoulder injury, but received a Combine invite. He'll need to test well after not playing for a year.
2008: Along with his quarterback D.Willy, James Starks put up pretty good numbers, rushing for 1333 yards and 16 touchdowns. Perhaps more impressive were Starks' 52 receptions and 361 receiving yards.

umphrey
02-15-2010, 11:04 AM
Brandon Spikes, ugh, that sticks out. He's terribly overrated and he'd be 4th or 5th on the depth chart. Plus he doesn't bring much more to the table than Desmond Bishop does. You're right, he'll fall on draft day, but it will be because coaches and managers wont waste a premier pick on him. It's easy to find quality ILBs but Spikes is a risk and the upside people think he has isn't there, IMO. Or maybe it is there but he's not reaching it - however you want to word it.

princefielder28
02-15-2010, 01:30 PM
as much as i dislike Kindle, i don't think he'll be available that late in round two. the other picks i could certainly live with. i know starks is the last pick you have but if we go RB at any point, it's gotta be for a guy who's a speedster and home run threat. starks is a poor man's Matt Forte.

senormysterioso
02-15-2010, 02:34 PM
1st round
1a. Best O-lineman available (Bulaga, Iupati, Campbell, Williams)
1b. Brandon Graham DE/OLB Michigan
2. CJ Spiller RB Clemson

2nd round
1. Patrick Robinson CB Florida State
2. Best O-lineman available (Brown, Velheer, Pouncey, etc.)

3rd round
1. Toby Gerhardt RB Stanford
2. Pat Angerer ILB Iowa

4th round
1. Llamar Houston DT Texas
2. Brandon Ghee CB Wake Forest
3. Eric Decker WR Minnesota

5th Round
Major Wright S Florida

6th Round
Jevan Snead QB Ole Miss
George Selvie DE/OLB South Florida

7th Round
O'Brien Schofeild DE/OLB Wisconsin
John Skeleton QB Fordham

bigboiajhawk
02-16-2010, 07:43 AM
NEW MOCK

I'm doing one here that's more of a prediction of what it tends to look like realistically, as opposed to what I'd do. You guys know Ted. I think last year's trade up was the exception for Ted. So here's what I forecast on draft day for Ted.

With the Patriots on the clock at pick #22, and the Packers on deck, the Packers War room and Packer Nation is excited that Brandon Graham is about to become a Packer. Horrifically, the Patriots select Graham right before our damn pick. As a result of that screw job:

TRADE ALERT:
After waiting for hours, Packer fans are pissed when they see their logo at #23 all of a sudden disappear and turn into #23 Kansas City.
The trade is: Packers trade their 1st round pick (#23 overall) to Kansas City for their two 2nd round picks. They are the #4 and #18 picks in round 2, or #36 & #50 overall. The Packers also send a 6th rounder to KC in the deal. http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

ROUND 2
Pick #36- Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State 6-0, 198
Practicing against #1 WR Dez Bryant for 3 years helped him develop his skills.
A big corner with good but not elite speed, Perrish Cox shadowed No. 1 receivers all year. He picked 4 passes and broke up 15 more. One concern however: Cox was suspended for Oklahoma State's winter scrimmage against Ole Miss for undisclosed reasons. Cox notched 32 tackles, 8 passes broken up and 2 picks as a junior. Also, Cox returned 2 kickoffs for touchdowns.
He should be able to step right in and play ahead of Underwood, Pat Lee, Jarrett Bush, and the oft-injured Will Blackmon.

Pick #50- Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida 6-3, 256
Inside linebackers like Rey Maualuga and James Laurinaitis have fallen into the second round recently, so don't be surprised if Brandon Spikes takes a tumble as well.
Spikes is a guy who should have come out last year, just like Taylor Mays and Sam Bradford. His stock slipped a little bit, but he's a good player and a better inside blitzer than Nick Barnett, AJ Hawk, and Brandon Chillar already. He's a maniac on special teams as well, which immediately can improve this team.

Pick #56- Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas 6-4, 254
Bigger than Matthews on the other side, he's a serious physical specimen, and a great value here in round 2.
Kindle is physically gifted and some team may fall in love with him at the Combine. However, he had only 6 sacks as a senior. But he looked good against Bama in the BCS Title game.

Sergio was better in 08 than 09. Though he was just a first-year starter in 2008, the hard-working Sergio Kindle made a name for himself, notching 46 tackles, 12.5 TFL and 10 sacks.

ROUND 3
Pick #86- Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale 6-9, 321
Another small-school look here from Ted Thompson, Veldheer fits the bill on the Packers OL, and has a chance to be the heir-apparent to Chad Clifton on the left side of the line.
This guy is gigantic and even if he doesn't move, he's got such great length, he's hard to get around.

ROUND 4- Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State
Great athlete and obvious smarts. He's a definite TT kind of player. Most projections I'm seeing have him available here. I doubt it though, but will leave him here until after the combine and see if he clearly raises his stock there in Indy.

ROUND 5- Derek Hardman, OT, Eastern Kentucky 6-6, 305
Another small-school look here from Ted Thompson, Veldheer fits the bill on the Packers OL, and has a chance to be the heir-apparent to Mark Tauscher on the right side of the line where Barbre failed big time and Breno has yet to show that he can play. The White Wall remains in tact for yet another season. :lol:

ROUND 6- Pick traded to KC

Comp Pick for Colin Cole- Freddy Barnes, WR, Bowling Green 6-2, 206
Though his offense inflated his numbers, they're still fun to look at: 155 receptions, 1,770 yards and 19 touchdowns.
Could replace Brett Swain as the Packers #5 WR, most likely will spend time on the practice squad as a rookie. Nice size.

ROUND 7- James Stark, RB, Buffalo 6-2, 211
Missed his entire season with a shoulder injury, but received a Combine invite. He'll need to test well after not playing for a year.
2008: Along with his quarterback D.Willy, James Starks put up pretty good numbers, rushing for 1333 yards and 16 touchdowns. Perhaps more impressive were Starks' 52 receptions and 361 receiving yards.


I agree with your scenario, and I still believe that a trade down is the most practical situation. I know people are going to say, we are one or two good players away, but that doesn't include the fact that we have two major holes on our team: OT's and CB's. With that said, I am going to use your scenario and make my own mock.

FA: Packers sign Joey Porter

36: Dexter McCluster, RB/WR/KR/PR- The kid will do it all. TT selects him because he knows what a matchup problem he can create in MM's offense.

50: Donovan Warren, CB - I like his tackling ability, and in our defense you have to be able to tackle at CB. He is also super fast much like Tramon.

56: Jared Veldheer, OT - He honestly reminds me of a much bigger version of Barbre, but I think the Pack will do like what the Pats did when they selected Vollmer.

86: Myron Rolle, S - I am unsure whether or not he will be here. If he runs well at the combine, he could easily be gone. If that is the case then I would select Major Wright here.

Round 4: Tony Moeaki, TE - Could eventually be the most complete TE in this draft outside of Gresham. Is great when healthy, but that has been the problem. He has had little nagging injuries, outside of his senior season. Great run blocker.

Round 5: O'Brien Schofield, OLB - The Pack need to take him, he will be a player once he heals.

Round 6: Dace Richardson, OT/OG - The guy was 2nd Team all big ten and he missed most of the season due to injury. Has great potential, but has had major injuries.

Round 7: Nyan Boateng, WR - Stud basketball player that never developed into a top receiver, could end up being a guy that sits on the practice squad and potentially develops.

I really like the top half of my draft, the latter portion is more risky due to injury concerns.

J-Mike88
02-16-2010, 11:19 AM
Yours looks great too. I like Warren and McCluster.
Schofield would be like swapping one torn ACL (Kampman) for a newer one, but getting about 9 years younger, and more of a pure 34 OLB. And one who wants to play in the system.

I'd love to see Joey Porter signed too. I just don't expect it based on TT's MO, and Porter would add to the overall age of this team. He seems to like youth.

umphrey
02-16-2010, 02:43 PM
My ideal round 1 & 2:

1) Bryan Bulaga
2) Dexter McCluster

ImBrotherCain
02-16-2010, 05:46 PM
I'd love to see Joey Porter signed too. I just don't expect it based on TT's MO, and Porter would add to the overall age of this team. He seems to like youth.

Hes not a FA yet

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4909494

bigboiajhawk
02-16-2010, 08:16 PM
Hes not a FA yet

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4909494


Will be though...

bigboiajhawk
02-16-2010, 09:30 PM
My ideal round 1 & 2:

1) Bryan Bulaga
2) Dexter McCluster



I would love it if that happened, however, I see Bulaga being a top 15 pick. He should perform well at the Combine. Would I love to see the Packers trade up for him...Yup. Do I think the Packers will...Nope.

Onto McCluster, I really hope we draft him. He reminds me of a more diverse DeSean Jackson coming out of school. I would really like to draft a guy that will do what Percy Harvin did this past year for the Queens. Whether that means the Packers draft McCluster or McKnight, maybe even Jacoby Ford, I really don't care, just as long as we get a guy that can mix it up between RB and WR and create a mismatch.

umphrey
02-16-2010, 10:04 PM
Yeah, there is maybe a 25% at best chance Bulaga will be there when we pick. I can't find a OT prospect I really like this year. I want Anthony Davis but I can't imagine a way that could happen. Bruce Campbell and Vlad have some things I like about them, with some qualities that make me want to avoid them.

I really want to draft McCluster because we need a kick returner so we can cut Blackmon and because we don't have anyone that can run in space or throw screens to or catch passes out of the backfield with Rodger's excellent scrambling ability. There are some legitimate concerns about him moving to the NFL, but it would be worth it no question to use a 2nd rounder on him. If he stays healthy he should be effective and he has some ability that no one on our roster has.

TitleTown088
02-16-2010, 10:56 PM
My ideal round 1 & 2:

1) Bryan Bulaga
2) Dexter McCluster

McCluster in the 2nd? Eh, no thanks.

My ideal would be Bulaga and Kyle Wilson. I have even been warming up to the idea of Kyle Wilson with the first pick.

tjsunstein
02-17-2010, 11:18 AM
Barring any trades and our team standing as is. Just going through scenarios in my head.

1.23 - Brandon Graham, OLB Michigan
No tackles on the board will be worth this pick and I feel Kyle Wilson would be a reach here.
2.56 - Perrish Cox, CB Oklahoma St.
3.86 - Dexter McCluster, Ole Miss
4 - Jared Veldheer, OT Hillside
5 - Kendrick Lewis, S Ole Miss
6 - Tony Washington, OT Abilene Christian
7 - Tim Hiller, QB Western Michigan

TitleTown088
02-17-2010, 01:13 PM
^

I'm pretty sure the packers have an extra 6th this year IIRC. Maybe it was a 7th?

Probably get a 5th or so for Cole too.

cvv84
02-17-2010, 04:40 PM
McCluster in the 2nd? Eh, no thanks.

My ideal would be Bulaga and Kyle Wilson. I have even been warming up to the idea of Kyle Wilson with the first pick.

We all know TT's love affair with the Boise State program.

^

I'm pretty sure the packers have an extra 6th this year IIRC. Maybe it was a 7th?

Probably get a 5th or so for Cole too.

We have the Panthers 7th round pick for when we traded long snapper J.J. Jansen to them before the season.

J-Mike88
02-17-2010, 09:43 PM
We all know TT's love affair with the Boise State program.

We have the Panthers 7th round pick for when we traded long snapper J.J. Jansen to them before the season.
Good call on the Boise State love affair.
I'm not sure about the Jansen trade. I've had others say it was next year's draft. And I can't find any site that has the complete draft order as of now (prior to coin-flips and comp picks).

RyanBraun8
02-17-2010, 10:16 PM
We all know TT's love affair with the Boise State program.

Because he drafted your much hated Colledge? It is not a love affair because he has drafted two guys from Boise since he took over for Sherman...If it does I guess he has love affairs with BC, LSU, Louisville, Texas A&M, California, and Colorado. He has draft 3 from Louisville does that mean he nuts over them? The Packers have had only four Boise players in there history so.... ha man you have a big hatred for Colledge.

senormysterioso
02-17-2010, 10:19 PM
College and Korey Hall are the only two I can remember out of Boise...he does seem to like players out of Louisville though

cvv84
02-17-2010, 10:29 PM
Because he drafted your much hated Colledge? It is not a love affair because he has drafted two guys from Boise since he took over for Sherman...If it does I guess he has love affairs with BC, LSU, Louisville, Texas A&M, California, and Colorado. He has draft 3 from Louisville does that mean he nuts over them? The Packers have had only four Boise players in there history so.... ha man you have a big hatred for Colledge.

Wow, I mention that he likes the Boise State program and you go off on a rant about Daryn Colledge? Maybe you know baseball though better than you know the Packers, guess we'll find out come spring...

TitleTown088
02-18-2010, 12:57 AM
We all know TT's love affair with the Boise State program.



We have the Panthers 7th round pick for when we traded long snapper J.J. Jansen to them before the season.
Didn't the packers get an extra pick from the Jets from some weird circumstance with the Brent Trade too?

RyanBraun8
02-18-2010, 01:00 AM
Idk I just don't think it is he likes Boise St. as much as he liked the 2 players from there. Sorry bout that rant on Colledge I thought it would be related because of how against Colledge you been lately. You have made it pretty clear that your not a fan of him. No disrepect meant by it.

J-Mike, That draft up top would be incredible but ha I just don't see most of those guys hanging around that long. It is still too hard to tell but Cox, Kindle, and Spikes have a pretty good shot at making the first round. I could see Cox there at 36, Spikes is a little harder because he is the best ILB and some team might try to snatch him up before 50 and Kindle, I think he is pretty much a lock in the first round even though he is a little over-rated. If he tests out the way he is projected to some team will snatch him.

I really like the Veldheer pick and Roll pick also but I think both will move up more. As for Freddie Barnes..... awesome pick! I think he'd be a great 5 WR. The guy may not be the fastest but is a possession WR you need in the West Coast Offense and he has hands a gold which we always could use. James Sparks is a guy I think is a lot like Ryan Grant. He has the same type of running style from what I've seen and make up. Could be a good back but he doesn't have that homerun or power style to go with Grant.

What do you guys think of Ryan Matthews if he is there in the 2nd? He'd be good in the ZBS and has a pretty good blend of speed and power. I still like McCluster or Blount though. Has anyone noticed that Dwyer kind of runs funny? It seems like he runs really flat footed or something? IDK it catches my eye everytime I see it.

RyanBraun8
02-18-2010, 01:05 AM
Didn't the packers get an extra pick from the Jets from some weird circumstance with the Brent Trade too?

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/52320032.html

Yeah but he get it back, it was supose to go to the Jets in the trade.

J-Mike88
02-18-2010, 09:21 AM
From ESPN2 this morning, Kiper thinks, between #22-#24:

#22- New England Patriots: Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
If production were all that mattered, Graham would be long gone by now. He led the FBS in tackles for loss and showed why at the Senior Bowl. Always in the backfield, he's an ideal outside linebacker for the Patriots' system, a terror against both the run and the pass.

#23- Green Bay Packers: Bryan Bulaga*, OT, Iowa
The more you listen to Green Bay's people, the more you get the sense that keeping Aaron Rodgers upright is a major priority, and it should be, because seeing an MVP-level talent knocked out because of a lack of protection is a sad thought. Bulaga can help immediately, and he has room to grow.

#24- Philadelphia Eagles: Taylor Mays, S, USC
The Eagles are looking for that heir to Brian Dawkins, a physical safety who can scare opposing receivers and contribute to the rush defense. Mays has everything you could ask for as a physical package. He had a bad season, and there are legit concerns, but Mays still reeks of top-level NFL athleticism. He just needs to put it together.

bigboiajhawk
02-18-2010, 12:54 PM
From ESPN2 this morning, Kiper thinks, between #22-#24:

#22- New England Patriots: Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
If production were all that mattered, Graham would be long gone by now. He led the FBS in tackles for loss and showed why at the Senior Bowl. Always in the backfield, he's an ideal outside linebacker for the Patriots' system, a terror against both the run and the pass.

#23- Green Bay Packers: Bryan Bulaga*, OT, Iowa
The more you listen to Green Bay's people, the more you get the sense that keeping Aaron Rodgers upright is a major priority, and it should be, because seeing an MVP-level talent knocked out because of a lack of protection is a sad thought. Bulaga can help immediately, and he has room to grow.

#24- Philadelphia Eagles: Taylor Mays, S, USC
The Eagles are looking for that heir to Brian Dawkins, a physical safety who can scare opposing receivers and contribute to the rush defense. Mays has everything you could ask for as a physical package. He had a bad season, and there are legit concerns, but Mays still reeks of top-level NFL athleticism. He just needs to put it together.

If those three are around when we pick, I would be so so happy. Honestly, if Bulaga makes it to pick 17 or 18, TT should pull the plug and trade up. Bulaga will start instantly, and I believe, he will end up being the best OT in the draft. If there is not a run on OT's in the top 10, I think this is possible. However, anytime there are good OT's they usually are selected pretty early.

J-Mike88
02-18-2010, 02:10 PM
Who's in Big Ten country and pays attention to games other than just the Baidgers?

I thought I read that Graham had his way with Bulaga, but A) I could be mistaken and B) someone could have written something bogus. I'd like to see film of their game(s) against each other and see.

bigboiajhawk
02-18-2010, 02:25 PM
Who's in Big Ten country and pays attention to games other than just the Baidgers?

I thought I read that Graham had his way with Bulaga, but A) I could be mistaken and B) someone could have written something bogus. I'd like to see film of their game(s) against each other and see.

Born and raised in WI but a huge Hawkeye fan...Dad is from Iowa. I like the badgers though too, but if they were playing each other I would be rooting for the Hawks.

Bulaga got owned by Graham; however, he was just coming off of his thyroid condition (don't know much about it, whether it is still a serious issue) I remember reading somewhere that he lost 20+ pounds.

All i know is, outside of one bull rush, Bulaga owned Derrick Morgan, another legit 1st rounder.

princefielder28
02-18-2010, 02:26 PM
Who's in Big Ten country and pays attention to games other than just the Baidgers?

I thought I read that Graham had his way with Bulaga, but A) I could be mistaken and B) someone could have written something bogus. I'd like to see film of their game(s) against each other and see.

Graham dominated against Bulaga in that game. I'm not sure where Bulaga's health was at that point though.

RyanBraun8
02-18-2010, 02:41 PM
The thyroid problem kind of scares because it doesn't just go away, you can manage it but if you slip up on medication or diet it can cause some problems. But with that said Garrard has played though chrones disease and Cutler with diabities so those things can be managed.

Bulaga wasn't 100% but even healthy I think it would be a pretty hard match up for him.

bigboiajhawk
02-18-2010, 03:05 PM
The thyroid problem kind of scares because it doesn't just go away, you can manage it but if you slip up on medication or diet it can cause some problems. But with that said Garrard has played though chrones disease and Cutler with diabities so those things can be managed.

Bulaga wasn't 100% but even healthy I think it would be a pretty hard match up for him.


Graham presents a pretty dificult match up for almost all OT's. That is why whatever team selects him, including the Packers, will have a stud no matter what position he plays.

Like I said earlier, if the Packers are in a position where Bulaga, Graham, and Mays are all there, I would be loving it, that is if TT selected one of them.

Okay question of the day...If Bulaga, Graham, and Mays are all available at 23, who do you select?

I say Bulaga, because of the immediate need at OT now and in the future. Although this is very difficult because Graham is so dominant.

umphrey
02-18-2010, 03:59 PM
The thyroid problem kind of scares because it doesn't just go away, you can manage it but if you slip up on medication or diet it can cause some problems. But with that said Garrard has played though chrones disease and Cutler with diabities so those things can be managed.

Bulaga wasn't 100% but even healthy I think it would be a pretty hard match up for him.

I don't know much about the condition but you have to assume an NFL player is going to get top notch medical care. The coaches will have someone call him 4 times a day to remind him to take a pill if that is what it takes to keep him ready for game day.

02/16/2010 - PRO POTENTIAL: LT Bryan Bulaga projects as a first-round pick despite a thyroid condition that forced him in and out of the lineup this season. Scouts love his 6-foot-6 frame and his run-blocking ability, although Bulaga was thoroughly handled by Michigan's speedy DE Brandon Graham during the season. The thyroid condition will certainly be examined by NFL doctors, but Bulaga rates as one of the best tackles available.
01/07/2010 - Iowa junior offensive lineman Bryan Bulaga says he's foregoing his final season of eligibility to enter the NFL Draft. Bulaga is a 6-foot-5, 315-pound tackle from Crystal Lake, Ill., and is widely viewed as a potential first-round pick. Bulaga was the Big Ten's 2009 offensive lineman of the year despite missing three games with a thyroid condition. Bulaga says in a release sent out by the school Wednesday night that his illness made him realize how important football is to him and how quickly it can be taken away. Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz says he appreciates Bulaga's contributions to the program and wishes him well. The 10th-ranked Hawkeyes finished 11-2 and beat Georgia Tech 24-14 in the Orange Bowl Tuesday night. - AP Sports
-Sheds some light on the Brandon Graham comments
-Makes it sound like the thyroid condition has some positives (not the disease, but the maturity Bryan shows in living with it)

J-Mike88
02-19-2010, 10:49 PM
02/16/2010 - PRO POTENTIAL: LT Bryan Bulaga projects as a first-round pick despite a thyroid condition that forced him in and out of the lineup this season. Scouts love his 6-foot-6 frame and his run-blocking ability, although Bulaga was thoroughly handled by Michigan's speedy DE Brandon Graham during the season. The thyroid condition will certainly be examined by NFL doctors, but Bulaga rates as one of the best tackles available.
01/07/2010 - Iowa junior offensive lineman Bryan Bulaga says he's foregoing his final season of eligibility to enter the NFL Draft. Bulaga is a 6-foot-5, 315-pound tackle from Crystal Lake, Ill., and is widely viewed as a potential first-round pick.
Wow, he went from 6-5 to 6-6 in 5 weeks?

I think taking Bulaga over Graham would be a big mistake. Not as bad as taking Mandarich over Derrick Thomas in 1989, but still a mistake that down the road, fans will be asking "how could they take the overrated blocker over the special sack machine".

But, let's be honest here; the chances of both of them being on board at pick #23 is between slim & none.

RyanBraun8
02-20-2010, 12:19 AM
Wow, he went from 6-5 to 6-6 in 5 weeks?

I think taking Bulaga over Graham would be a big mistake. Not as bad as taking Mandarich over Derrick Thomas in 1989, but still a mistake that down the road, fans will be asking "how could they take the overrated blocker over the special sack machine".

But, let's be honest here; the chances of both of them being on board at pick #23 is between slim & none.

ughh Mandrich.... to think we could of had Barry Sanders, Derrick Thomas, or Dion Sanders even though he had it clear we would not play in GB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPwhAMD1He8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0insrWWjvPo

Some nice vids on Tony... if anyone is interested

I'd also go with Graham,I reallythink we need another impact OLB and unless Jones packs on 15 pounds of pure muscal and can be much more aggressive, not sure sure we will be the answer. At least on offense hopefully we will have Clifton back and LT isn't do or die

TitleTown088
02-21-2010, 12:57 AM
First ever on here I think?
Free agency:

http://tonybruno.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/chris-gocong.jpg
Chris Gocong.
http://www.insidesocal.com/tomhoffarth/archives/nfldraft.jpg


Round 1. pick 23. New Orleans sees Sean Weatherspoon and trades up for him. Packers get an extra 3rd rounder in the process. Could probably get more, but I wanted to keep it a simple trade.

Round 1 pick 32( from NO). Kyle Wilson CB Boise state. The secondary needs to be upgraded. We saw this from the Pitt, Minny, and Cardinals games. He also has some return value too. I wouldn't be surprised if TT took him at 23.

http://www2.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Fresno+State+v+Boise+State+0vU3hkJ5TM7l.jpg

Round 2 Ryan Mathews RB Fresno state. Could be BPA at this pick. Grant, Jackson, and Mathews will give MM and co one heck of a backfield to work with.
http://www3.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Fresno+State+v+UCLA+4HCIeEfbnnGl.jpg

Round 3a Rodger Saffold LT Indiana
Guy to groom behind Cliffy.
http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/ind/sports/m-footbl/auto_action/2839773.jpeg

Round 3b. Eric Decker, WR Minnesoooooota. Special player, durability causes him to drop a wee bit.
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/236446/eric_decker.jpg

4. Darell Stuckey, SS Kansas. Saftey depth is a must.
http://images.morris.com/images/lubbock/mdControlled/cms/2008/10/23/347415394.jpg

Round 5. Tony Moeaki TE Iowa. He Gives Rodgers yet another passing target to work with aside Finley and duct tape.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Sb4tavmt4qA/SWEvv1-5t0I/AAAAAAAAAC8/ziDw4JDa1R4/s400/moeaki.jpg

Round 6 Hall Davis DE Louisiana Lafayette. Small school gem of Ted's( took it from you PF).
http://cdn1.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/113562/32842_kansas_st_la_lafayette_football_large.jpg


round 7. Zoltan Mesko P Michigan. Kapinos is no bueno.

http://www.annarbor.com/2009/08/10/081009MESKO.JPG

princefielder28
02-21-2010, 09:41 AM
Not bad but Saffold projects to guard, not tackle

RyanBraun8
02-21-2010, 12:13 PM
I like it, but if Mike Williams is still there in the 3rd I'd take him over Decker...if Williams had half a brain he'd be a top 10-15 pick. But same could have been same about Moss... Guy has umlimited talent just needs to grow up, maybe being around a guy like Driver everyday may help him out.

Also I love the Matthews pick!

cvv84
02-21-2010, 12:53 PM
Kyle Wilson kind of scares me. He has very good intangables but his size worries me. I really think we could find some descent players later on who fit our mostly zone defense. TT's track record of drafting CBs isn't really that great either.

TitleTown088
02-21-2010, 02:13 PM
Not bad but Saffold projects to guard, not tackle

Scott has him listed as a G. Most others places I've seen have him at OT.

TitleTown088
02-21-2010, 02:15 PM
Kyle Wilson kind of scares me. He has very good intangables but his size worries me. I really think we could find some descent players later on who fit our mostly zone defense. TT's track record of drafting CBs isn't really that great either.

Really? I love Wilson as a prospect in Dom's D.

J-Mike88
02-21-2010, 11:01 PM
Really? I love Wilson as a prospect in Dom's D.

I do too. And I'd love Zoltan in the 7th to get rid of BJ Sander finally. Oh wait, that's not Sander? It's Kapinos? What....

I don't like using 3 of our first 4 picks on offense. Decker, Matthews are good prospects, but our offense is great aside from the OT spot.

The only negative on this mock is that 4 of the players are from the Big Ten.
Half of our draft from that one conference seems pretty unrealistic to me, plus it's not even the best talent pool anymore.

ImBrotherCain
02-22-2010, 11:22 AM
I do too. And I'd love Zoltan in the 7th to get rid of BJ Sander finally. Oh wait, that's not Sander? It's Kapinos? What....

I don't like using 3 of our first 4 picks on offense. Decker, Matthews are good prospects, but our offense is great aside from the OT spot.

The only negative on this mock is that 4 of the players are from the Big Ten.
Half of our draft from that one conference seems pretty unrealistic to me, plus it's not even the best talent pool anymore.

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umphrey
02-22-2010, 02:36 PM
The big ten is a pretty bad place to look at for NFL talent, IMO. I like Bulaga though. I'm also warming up to the idea of Vlad, Bruce Campbell and Trent Williams - At least one of these guys is going to be an NFL left tackle so lets get one.

RyanBraun8
02-22-2010, 03:25 PM
The big ten is a pretty bad place to look at for NFL talent, IMO. I like Bulaga though. I'm also warming up to the idea of Vlad, Bruce Campbell and Trent Williams - At least one of these guys is going to be an NFL left tackle so lets get one.

I get what your saying but at the sametime it really depends what kind of team you are. Overall the big 10 may not be the fastest most athletic conference but it is one of the most physical conferences. So if you what physical, hard working players the big 10 is a good place to look. You just have to focus on non-conference games more. The Wisconsin vs. Miami will show more to scouts than Wisconsin vs. Michigan. Or a Ohio St. vs USC over a Ohio St. vs. Penn St.

cvv84
02-22-2010, 07:08 PM
The big ten is a pretty bad place to look at for NFL talent, IMO. I like Bulaga though. I'm also warming up to the idea of Vlad, Bruce Campbell and Trent Williams - At least one of these guys is going to be an NFL left tackle so lets get one.

Bulaga or Campbell would be ideal IMO. I'm not the biggest Trent Williams fan. Short arms are never a good thing for an Olineman and Chris Williams has shown that.

umphrey
02-22-2010, 09:25 PM
1) Bulaga
2) Campbell
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3) Vlad
4) Williams

To be, Bulaga and Campbell both seem ready to come in, getting playing time and hold their own. Maybe Bulaga has to move inside to guard or Campbell moves to the right side, but I'm pretty confident they will be quality lineman. Trent Williams reminds me of Jamon Meredith for some reason, even though that doesn't make the best prospect comparison. I like Vlad a lot - I'd be happy if we took him in the first but really really happy if we get him in the second through a trade our pick #55 (our 2nd rounder).

It would be hard for me to judge this draft as anything but a complete fail if we let the entire first day go by without a blocker. There's some good prospects there this year and we can find quality trading up, down, staying, and possibly as late as our second rounder. After all the failures we've had drafting OL in the middle rounds it's time to bring in one blue chip type guy now that we have a franchise quarterback to protect and absolutely no hope at offensive tackle in 2, 3 years (probably sooner) outside of TJ Lang who isn't even close to enough to cover our bets (just for the record, I like TJ Lang, I think he'll have a fine career either at RT or LG).

Mr.Regular
03-02-2010, 01:18 AM
What would you guys think of a draft like this? This is off the top of my head and loaded with guys I really like for us, but it runs down I think our positions of need. Thoughts?

1) Charles Brown, OT
2) Donovan Warren, CB
3) Ben Tate, RB
4) Dekoda Watson, OLB
5) Kurt Coleman, S
6) Colin Peek, TE
7) Dorian Brooks, OG

J-Mike88
03-11-2010, 09:43 AM
What would you guys think of a draft like this? This is off the top of my head and loaded with guys I really like for us, but it runs down I think our positions of need. Thoughts?

1) Charles Brown, OT
2) Donovan Warren, CB
3) Ben Tate, RB
4) Dekoda Watson, OLB
5) Kurt Coleman, S
6) Colin Peek, TE
7) Dorian Brooks, OG
I like some of those players. I just got done researching a ton of ratings, scouting reports, mock drafts, and the consensus is that Donovan Warren will be around in the 4th round. I can picture us taking Charlie Brown for sure. Coleman and Watson as well. If Tate can help our punt and kick return units, I'm all for him. But Grant & Jackson are a great 1-2 combo already otherwise. They're very underrated as a unit. Grant simply churns out yards and doesn't fumble.

J-Mike88
03-11-2010, 09:44 AM
I'm very disappointed there's been no draft or Packers talk in this forum since yesterday afternoon. Tons of other teams have been banging away. Where is cheeshead nation here?

J-Mike88
03-11-2010, 09:52 AM
1- Anthony Davis, LT, Rutgers, 6-6, 325
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4968544&addata=2009_insdr_mod_nfl_xxx_xxx
From Kiper & McShay, they have Davis falling and McShay currently has him falling right to Lambeau Field, so I'm going with that!
Kiper: Davis has all the physical tools to become a Pro Bowl left tackle and will represent great value at No. 18. Pittsburgh needs to protect and run-block better in 2010, and Davis' size and mobility make him capable of protecting the blind side and mauling in the run game.
McShay: Davis is free-falling because of character concerns, but he's worth the risk here, especially for a team that needs immediate help at tackle. Davis is an excellent pass-blocker with quick feet and great lateral mobility.

2- Koa Misi, OLB, Utah, 6-2 5/8, 251
: Outstanding motor and gives excellent effort --- Very athletic --- Quick and agile with great balance --- Super explosive with a burst --- Terrific strength --- Uses his hands well --- Comfortable in space --- Appears to have fluid hips --- A hard worker --- Versatile --- Still has a lot of upside. Definitely sounds like a Packer guy, I'd have to say he's the most similar guy to Matthews in this draft, but as Scott says, he's got terrific strength and uses his hands well. Will rotate with Brad Jones at LOLB, hopefully provide some more pass rush from that side while holding up the edge versus the run and keeping the Packers run-defense close to #1 again.

3- Jacoby Ford, WR, Clemson, 5-9, 186
Not a need pick here, but too talented to pass up at this spot. Small for a Packer WR, but for the first few years, his role will be to give a big boost to the Packers return units, and with the fastest wheels since Chris Johnson, he can improve the Packers very fast in that area. Look for a Devin Hester-type impact as a rookie in the return department.

4- Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan, 5-11 ½, 193
His 40-time was a disappointment in Indy, but the football-field on film is more important, and Warren has the agility and ball skills to make a good CB in the Packers scheme, has good size and strength. The Packers expect Pat Lee to make an immediate contribution at CB finally, and they expect Brandon Underwood to show much improvement in season two. They also have some belief that wirey thin Josh Bell can play in this league, but they can’t pass up Warren here who has a chance to be a solid player.

5- Robert Johnson, S, Utah, 6-2, 203
Johnson screwed over by not even getting an invite to the combine.
03/09/2010 - Half of the teams in the NFL were represented yesterday at Utah's Pro Day. Johnson showed that he would have impressed in Indianapolis had he been invited. Johnson measured in at 6-2 1/8 and 203 pounds and lifted the bar 13 times, proving both bigger and stronger than scouts had anticipated. He clocked in at 4.55 to 4.62 in the 40-yard dash. Johnson was most impressive, however, in the shuttle drills and positional workouts, proving a fluidity which helped him secure 13 interceptions over the past three seasons with the Utes. Johnson's time in the short shuttle was 6.56; his time in the 3-cone was 6.56, each of which would have led all safeties tested at the Combine.

6- Mike Tepper, OT, Cal, 6-5 ½, 324
Mike Tepper, Sr., California, has been selected First Team All-Pac-10 Conference for the 2009 college football season as voted on by the Pac-10 head football coaches. Tepper was honored by the Pac-10 for the first time in his career after starting all 12 games at left tackle. Tepper is a candidate for the practice squad in 2010. Either Barbre or Giaconimi probably will be sent packing if they don't show big improvement in camp this year.

6c- Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan, 6-5, 231
Booming leg, accustomed to punting in cold weather. He’s big enough to fill in at OLB even, should make a good safety man on punts when the coverage unit has their frequent breakdowns.

7- Darryl Jackson, NT, Kean University, 6-1, 310
Jackson is a high-character, good guy, which is a trait that Ted Thompson clearly values in his draft picks. The Eagles and Giants were the first teams to send scouts to Kean last spring, when Jackson weighed-in at 349 pounds and clocked 5.65 seconds in the 40-yard dash. But since then, he has morphed. He is now a lean 310 pounds. He has been timed as low as 5.18 in the 40. He has tripled his reps on the 225-pound bench press. The Division 1 perks he missed out on — regimented nutrition and supervised lifts — he’s taken advantage of this winter. It just takes one NFL team to agree — and the Jets, Eagles, Packers and Vikings have taken particular interest in Jackson. Morgan declined to speak to feedback from individual teams, but did estimate Jackson is on the radar of at least half the teams in the NFL, for both 4-3 and 3-4 schemes, and multiple teams have taken numerous visits to see him.

princefielder28
03-11-2010, 10:23 AM
1. I would absolutely love Anthony Davis. His character corcerns are starting to creep up on him, but I don't see him falling as far as Green Bay. When it comes down to it he's a Top 15 talent and will be drafted as such.

2. Koa Misi is a Packers' pick and he'd be a real nice fit for the team. I like it.

3. I don't know what to think about a player like Jacoby Ford in round three. While I'd like to add a special teams stud, I don't think he'll make much an impact passed being a #3 WR in the league and I'd prefer to see someone who has more size/upside.

4. Corner definitely needs to be addressed and if Warren is there in round four then it's worth the risk.

5. Robert Johnson is a gamer and someone I would be a fan of us taking.

6. I don't see Tepper being anymore than a camp body for whichever team takes him. He's battled so many injuries at Cal and the abilities/potential really isn't there.

6b. We do need a punter.

7. Certianly a TT type of guy late in the draft

Mr.Regular
03-11-2010, 11:54 AM
1) Davis would be an awesome pick. I don't see him being there... if Andre Smith can still go #6 despite a boatload of redflags, I can't see Davis being there at #23. If he is though then we got ourselves a steal!

2) Misi would fit in well with the defense, I like it.

3) Im very iffy on Ford. I agree with PF, I dont think he projects as much as a WR... hed be a special teams ace sure, and help out on kick returns but I still have faith in Blackmon... so if were going to take a pure returner, Id want him to at least have some more potential as a receiver.

4) Id jizz my pants for Warren in the 4th. I love him as a prospect. I think he is a top 5 corner in the draft... the combine time hurt him, but if that helps him fall into our laps as a midround pick then I would jump for joy.

5) Love the Johnson pick.

6) OL depth is always a must in Green Bay right now... I'm not sure if Tepper is the ideal ZBS OT, but he does offer some nice depth, and he does project to multiple positions across the line. Maybe hed show enough for us to ditch one of Barbre/ Breno.

6) We need a punter and Zoltan is the best one there so why not.

7) Once again, I agree with PF, seeems like a typical Teddy type of late rounder.

Jim Jim
03-13-2010, 09:20 AM
First Round Selection: Mike Iupati, OL, Idaho.
Second Round Selection: Dexter McCluster, RB/SLOT/KR, Ole Miss.
Third Round Selection: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana (PA).
Fourth Round Selection: Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan.
Fifth Round Selection: O'Brien Schofield, DE/OLB, Wisconsin.
Sixth Round Selection: Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan.
Seventh Round Selection: Will Barker, OT, Virgina.

Mr.Regular
03-13-2010, 12:51 PM
Im not sure on why people are so high on Iupati to the Packers? Wells played great at center last year, and all reports are that Spitz is moving to LG to take over for Colledge (thank God). Sitton is a stud at RG.
So our guard situation is pretty set. Why would we take Iupati?

cvv84
03-13-2010, 01:04 PM
Im not sure on why people are so high on Iupati to the Packers? Wells played great at center last year, and all reports are that Spitz is moving to LG to take over for Colledge (thank God). Sitton is a stud at RG.
So our guard situation is pretty set. Why would we take Iupati?

We are pretty settled at guard but Iupati would be a huge upgrade over Spitz. He's the kind of guy you can plug in from day 1 and make a few Pro Bowls over the course of his career. Franchise LG.

Mr.Regular
03-13-2010, 01:07 PM
We are pretty settled at guard but Iupati would be a huge upgrade over Spitz. He's the kind of guy you can plug in from day 1 and make a few Pro Bowls over the course of his career. Franchise LG.
Sure Iupati could be a nice upgrade over Spitz, but it seems unnecessary. Our interior is the strong point of the line and is still relatively young, I dont see why we'd be targeting a position that we're pretty much set at.

cvv84
03-13-2010, 01:11 PM
Sure Iupati could be a nice upgrade over Spitz, but it seems unnecessary. Our interior is the strong point of the line and is still relatively young, I dont see why we'd be targeting a position that we're pretty much set at.

Spitz is an unrestricted free agent after this season. He's coming off an IR season. And we have little depth at guard. Obviously its not a need but to me Iupati is a safe good pick. You draft him and you don't have to worry about LG for the next decade.

Jim Jim
03-13-2010, 01:14 PM
Good job, cvv. Pretty much my argument.

Mr.Regular
03-13-2010, 01:22 PM
So youre saying its just a pure BPA strategy then? I get that. I just personally wouldn't target guard that early unless I felt Iupati was head and shoulders above everyone else. Iupati at LG would mean either Spitz/Wells on the bench, and I think thatd be a waste. If there was no LT at 23, and all the good DB's and 34 OLB's were gone though Id get the pick more so.

J-Mike88
03-13-2010, 08:50 PM
Just because a guy is rated as the BPA doesn't mean it has any less chance of being a bust than a guy rated similarily at a position that's more of a need.

We certainly don't need to spend that high of a pick on an interior lineman. He's no more of a guarantee than LT prospects Campbell and Brown are. In fact, who faced better competition in college?

I heard all the hype leading up to that Senior Bowl week and watched when Iupati did his drills, including at tackle. He wasn't anything special at all. Not worthy of all the hype IMO, and clearly not worthy of our premium #23 draft pick.

This team needs to get better stopping the pass. And it needs a successor to Clifton. Taking a guard would be reckless and irresponsible, and just as much of a gamble as any other player at a more important and less stocked position.

Mr.Regular
03-13-2010, 08:56 PM
Just because a guy is rated as the BPA doesn't mean it has any less chance of being a bust than a guy rated similarily at a position that's more of a need.

We certainly don't need to spend that high of a pick on an interior lineman. He's no more of a guarantee than LT prospects Campbell and Brown are. In fact, who faced better competition in college?

I heard all the hype leading up to that Senior Bowl week and watched when Iupati did his drills, including at tackle. He wasn't anything special at all. Not worthy of all the hype IMO, and clearly not worthy of our premium #23 draft pick.

This team needs to get better stopping the pass. And it needs a successor to Clifton. Taking a guard would be reckless and irresponsible, and just as much of a gamble as any other player at a more important and less stocked position.
I agree with you for the most part. Only way I could justify taking Iupati would be if all the LT's were off the board, and Iupati was by far the BPA...which I doubt he would be. So I cant see us taking him... interior OLine is a relatively stong part of our offense. Its the tackles that need addressing.

jackalope
03-13-2010, 09:38 PM
I'd been under the impression that Spitz was going to play center. An interior of Iupati/Spitz/Sitton would be much better than Colledge/Spitz/Sitton or Spitz/Wells/Sitton in my opinion. Left tackle is obviously a bigger need than guard, but with the way the draft breaks for us at tackle, I'm not confident that there will be one worth pick 23. Iupati in the first and a tackle in the second (Veldheer?) would be a great way to build our offensive line, which is the only thing holding our offense back from #1 in the league.

cvv84
03-13-2010, 09:51 PM
I'd been under the impression that Spitz was going to play center. An interior of Iupati/Spitz/Sitton would be much better than Colledge/Spitz/Sitton or Spitz/Wells/Sitton in my opinion. Left tackle is obviously a bigger need than guard, but with the way the draft breaks for us at tackle, I'm not confident that there will be one worth pick 23. Iupati in the first and a tackle in the second (Veldheer?) would be a great way to build our offensive line, which is the only thing holding our offense back from #1 in the league.

Wells is going to be our starting center. He actually played pretty well this year and was our 2nd best Olineman behind Sitton.

Just because a guy is rated as the BPA doesn't mean it has any less chance of being a bust than a guy rated similarily at a position that's more of a need.

That should go without saying. .....but then again you just mentioned it.

We certainly don't need to spend that high of a pick on an interior lineman. He's no more of a guarantee than LT prospects Campbell and Brown are. In fact, who faced better competition in college?

I heard all the hype leading up to that Senior Bowl week and watched when Iupati did his drills, including at tackle. He wasn't anything special at all. Not worthy of all the hype IMO, and clearly not worthy of our premium #23 draft pick.

This team needs to get better stopping the pass. And it needs a successor to Clifton. Taking a guard would be reckless and irresponsible, and just as much of a gamble as any other player at a more important and less stocked position.

I think its pretty foolish to just assume that our LG job is settled. Colledge has struggled for years, we don't have any depth at guard, Spitz has played primarily at RG, and Spitz is also a free agent after the season.

If you only started to pay attention to Iupati during the combine then you must not watch college football. Iupati is the best guard in the nation and the highest rated guard to come out since Shawn Andrews. Him taking reps at LT during the combine was just for teams to see if he could play tackle, which obviously would increase his value.

We needed pass rushers and offensive lineman for the past 2-3 years and that hasn't stopped us from drafting other positions early. For all we know TT could draft a defensive lineman in the 1st round and find our pass rusher in round 5. How reckless and irresponsible would that be?

J-Mike88
03-13-2010, 10:43 PM
We needed pass rushers and offensive lineman for the past 2-3 years and that hasn't stopped us from drafting other positions early. For all we know TT could draft a defensive lineman in the 1st round and find our pass rusher in round 5. How reckless and irresponsible would that be?
Very I would say. Here's why.
His high pick on Harrell came when we were pretty stacked on the DL.
But apparently that was Ted's BPA. Too good to pass up.
The next year with the show being turned over to Arod, 2nd round pick is Brohm, again, too good to pass up, Ted's clear BPA.
Following year, Ted's first pick is Jordyzzzz. Great player, but was he a need pick, or the BPA or even BP at his position? Eagles fans would argue.

Anyway, the draft is a crapshoot, always will be, always has. Despite all the meticulous data, measuring, prodding, testing, film, etc. teams still are busting at the same rate as 30 years ago. It's not a science. That should go without saying, but people still think that a guy was the BPA because Kiper said it.

It's a gamble no matter how you slice it.

But here's the big difference this year: This team is on the cusp of potential greatness. The final pieces need to be assembled. Can you imagine another round 2 pick on a QB like a Brohm 2 years ago?

cvv84
03-13-2010, 11:09 PM
It's a gamble no matter how you slice it.

But here's the big difference this year: This team is on the cusp of potential greatness. The final pieces need to be assembled. Can you imagine another round 2 pick on a QB like a Brohm 2 years ago?

I'm not too worried. Just when you think you have a position solved is when it starts to become an issue. Players don't always work out as you mentioned with Harrell and Brohm. But you still have to find late round gems like Jolly and Flynn. The 1st and 2nd rounds are where you have to take the best player available, reguardless of position, IMO because don't know what you're going to get later in the draft. The Vikings surely didn't have a need at RB or WR when the took Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin.

J-Mike88
03-14-2010, 01:55 PM
The Vikings surely didn't have a need at RB or WR when the took Adrian Peterson and Percy Harvin.
Good point cvv.

And Randy Moss in 1998 when they had Cris Carter and Jake Reed, after we passed on Moss for Holliday despite the fact that William Schroeder was one of our starting WR's.

J-Mike88
03-20-2010, 12:52 PM
I like this mock: http://packersinsider.com/2010/03/packers-mock-draft-v5-0/

J-Mike88
03-22-2010, 09:54 AM
We have about 30 days til DRAFT DAY. D-Day. I'll be bringing at least one new mock a day until then. Let's see who likes what, and doesn't like what. I will try and mix it up so we get a variety of players over time, so we can get comments on a lot of guys. Hopefully, some of the picks actually get selected by us so we can read back what people said. SO FELLAS, MAN-UP and give your comments on each player you know anything about here:

March 22

1. Charles Brown OT/ USC- Immediate tackle depth, future LT starter

2. Chris Cook CB/ UVA- Big physical corner, adds depth, possible future replacement for woodson or harris.

3. Mike Johnson OG/ Alabama- Has the potential to be a starting guard down the line

4. Joe McKnight RB/ USC- Good hands, explosive,3rd down back, helps ST's as a KR

5. George Selvie LB/ USF- A steal at this point, good situational pass rusher, depth

5c. Major Wright S/ Florida- Underrated safety that can cover as well as hit

6. Clifton Geathers DE/ S.C.- Adds depth to the DL

7. Daryl Clark QB/ PSU- Very athletic, decent size, Good character, could be stashed on the PS

J-Mike88
03-22-2010, 09:58 AM
March 22

*Round 1 (#23): Traded to Chargers for pick #26 and the Chargers 3rd round pick in 2010.
*Daryn Colledge signed & traded to Denver for a 3rd round pick.

Round 1 (#26): Devin McCourty-CB/KR-Rutgers
Round 2: Morgan Burnett-S-Georgia Tech
Round 3A: Jared Veldheer-OT-Hillsdale
Round 3B: Austin Lane-OLB-Murray St
Round 3C: Dexter McCluster-RB/WR/KR-Ole Miss
Round 4: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah-CB/KR-Indiana
Round 5A: C.J. Wilson-DE-ECU
Round 5Comp: O'Brien Schofield-OLB-Wisconsin
Round 6: John Skelton-QB-Fordham
Round 7: Naaman Roosevelt-WR-Buffalo

princefielder28
03-22-2010, 12:47 PM
We have about 30 days til DRAFT DAY. D-Day. I'll be bringing at least one new mock a day until then. Let's see who likes what, and doesn't like what. I will try and mix it up so we get a variety of players over time, so we can get comments on a lot of guys. Hopefully, some of the picks actually get selected by us so we can read back what people said. SO FELLAS, MAN-UP and give your comments on each player you know anything about here:

March 22

1. Charles Brown OT/ USC- Immediate tackle depth, future LT starter

2. Chris Cook CB/ UVA- Big physical corner, adds depth, possible future replacement for woodson or harris.

3. Mike Johnson OG/ Alabama- Has the potential to be a starting guard down the line

4. Joe McKnight RB/ USC- Good hands, explosive,3rd down back, helps ST's as a KR

5. George Selvie LB/ USF- A steal at this point, good situational pass rusher, depth

5c. Major Wright S/ Florida- Underrated safety that can cover as well as hit

6. Clifton Geathers DE/ S.C.- Adds depth to the DL

7. Daryl Clark QB/ PSU- Very athletic, decent size, Good character, could be stashed on the PS

1. I'm not so sure about Charles Brown but I could live with pick because I think he can be a solid player but I feel his ceiling just isn't as high as some others.

2. Chris Cook is someone I am a fan of and he has shown off his skill set this off-season. He fits the size at the position that TT looks for and I think Cook compares to Sean Smith from last year.

3. You say Mike Johnson has starting potential down the line; I think he could step in right away and be a contributor for us. Our running game would benefit greatly with him on the line.

4. I wouldn't mind him as a special teamer and 3rd down back. We really lack explosion out of the backfield and he has the potential to add that.

5. If Selvie was there in the 5th, it would be a steal and I would have no problem trying to get Selvie accustomed to standing up in a 3-4.

5b. I don't know if Wright will be here this late but if he is then he's worth the risk. He has the ability, but he didn't have the college career to back up all the hype behind him.

6. It's a wonder why Geathers wasn't more productive at South Carolina because he is a physical specimen. Maybe it's the coaching at SC, and I'd love to add him and see what we could do with him.

7. Daryl Clark is a hard worker and gamer; he'd be a nice addition.

J-Mike88
03-26-2010, 08:25 AM
Rd1. Kyle Wilson- CB/PR/ Boise St- With all of the best tackles off the board and the resigning of Clifton the Packers aren't forced to reach for one, so they land a very promising CB prospect to add a huge boost to our secondary. TT realizes that we lack the depth and talent in the secondary to make it far in the playoffs and we don't want to get exposed by the better passing teams. We get Chuck's future successor and an immediate special teams boost between him or......

Rd2. Dexter McCluster- Ath/ Ole Miss- He is a poor mans Percy Harvin, he could add instant special teams help along with a receiving threat out of the backfield. Has great hands.

Rd3. Jason Fox- OT/ Miami- The Packers add a talented player with injury issues, but if he can regain his health he could be a solid T down the line.

Rd4. Major Wright- S/ Florida- Underrated player IMO, will add depth behind Bigby with starting potential in the future.

Rd5. Ed Wang- OG/OT/ VT- Very athletic big man, adds depth. Smart, which always wins points from Teddy Thompson.

Rd5. O'Brien Schofield- OLB/ UW- Popular pick on these forums, but he would've likely been a 2nd rd pick if not for his injury, so we get a bargain with our comp pick and we can develop him behind Brad Jones, who is still developing.

Rd6. Emmanuel Sanders- WR/ SMU- Small school guy with good speed and route running, will compete for 5th WR spot.

RD7. Matt Dodge- Punter/ East Carolina- Competes for the job.

J-Mike88
03-26-2010, 08:48 AM
Here's a full 7-round mock, but I don't know exactly all the comp picks so that's left out.
We know there will be some trades, and we know there will be some shocking picks in each and every round.
The real draft always looks strange when you see them, so this one has some strange looks too, and of course this will be way off on plenty of picks!

Still, ENJOY!

FIRST ROUND
1. SL- Ndamukong Suh- DT- Nebraska
2. Det- Gerald McCoy- DT- Oklahoma
*TRADE* TB trades #3 to Buf for #9, #41 cand a 2011 1st rounder
3. Buf (from TB)- Russell Okung- OT- Oklahoma St.
*TRADE* Was trades #4 to Cle for #7 and #71
4. Cle (from Was)- Eric Berry- S- Tennessee
5. KC- Dez Bryant- WR- Oklahoma St.
6. Sea- Taylor Mays- S- USC
*TRADE* Was trades #7 to Ari for #26, #58, and #88
7. Ari (from Cle via Was)- Joe Haden- CB- Florida
8. Oak- Bruce Campbell- OT- Maryland
9. TB (from Buf)- CJ Spiller- RB- Clemson
10. Jax- Derrick Morgan- DE- Georgia Tech
11. Den (from Chi)- Rolando McClain- LB- Alabama
12. Mia- Dan Williams- DT- Tennessee
*TRADE* SF trades #13 to Dal for #27, #59 and a 2011 2nd rounder
13. Dal (from SF)- Anthony Davis- OT- Rutgers
14. Sea (from Den)- Bryan Bulaga- OT- Iowa
15. NYG- Earl Thomas- S- Texas
16. Ten- Jason Pierre-Paul- DE- S. Florida
17. SF (from Car)- Terrence Cody- DT- Alabama
*TRADE* Pit trades #18 to SL for #33 and #65
18. SL (from Pit)- Sam Bradford- QB- Oklahoma
19. Atl- Sean Weatherspoon- LB- Missouri
20. Hou- Jonathan Dwyer- RB- Georgia Tech
21. Cin- Jermaine Gresham- TE- Oklahoma
22. NE- Brandon Graham- LB- Michigan
23. GB- Trent Williams- OT- Oklahoma
24. Phi- Chad Jones- S- LSU
25. Bal- Patrick Robinson- CB- Florida St.
26. Was (from Ari)- Jimmy Clausen- QB- Notre Dame
27. SF (from Dal)- Mike Iupati- OT- Idaho
28. SD- Ryan Mathews- RB- Fresno St.
*TRADE* NYJ trade #29 to TB for #35 and #98
29. TB (from NYJ)- Brian Price- DT- UCLA
30. Min- Maurkice Pouncey- C- Florida
31. Ind- Everson Griffen- DE- USC
32. NO- Brandon Spikes- LB- Florida

SECOND ROUND
33. Pit (from SL)- Charles Brown- OT- USC
34. Det- Kyle Wilson- CB- Boise St.
35. NYJ (from TB)- Damian Williams- WR- USC
36. KC- Sergio Kindle- LB- Texas
37. Was- Vladimir Ducasse- OT- Massachusetts
38. Cle- Tony Pike- QB- Cincinnati
39. Oak- Navorro Bowman- LB- Penn St.
40. SD (from Sea)- Jared Odrick- DT- Penn St.
41. TB (from Buf)- Golden Tate- WR- Notre Dame
42. TB (from Chi)- Jerry Hughes- DE- TCU
43. Mia- Ricky Sapp- LB- Clemson
44. NE (from Jax)- Rob Gronkowski- TE- Arizona
45. Den- Corey Wooton- DE- Northwestern
46. NYG- Daryl Washington- LB- TCU
47. NE (from Ten)- Alex Carrington- DE- Arkansas St.
48. Car- Colt McCoy- QB- Texas
49. SF- Jahvid Best- RB- California
50. KC (from Atl)- Morgan Burnett- S- Georgia Tech
51. Hou- Devin McCourty- CB- Rutgers
52. Pit- Perrish Cox- CB- Oklahoma St.
53. Cin- Tyson Alualu- DT- California
54. NE- Dexter McCluster- RB- Mississippi
55. GB- Koa Misi- OLB- Utah
56. Phi- Mike Johnson- G- Alabama
57. Bal- Aaron Hernandez- TE- Florida
58. Was (from Ari)- Donovan Warren- CB- Michigan
59. SF (from Dal)- Eric Norwood- LB- S. Carolina
60. Sea (from SD)- Carlos Dunlap- DE- Florida
61. NYJ- Arthur Jones- DT- Syracuse
62. Min- Brandon Ghee- CB- Wake Forest
63. Ind- Selvish Capers- OT- W. Virginia
64. NO- Toby Gerhart- RB- Stanford

THIRD ROUND
65. Pit (from SL)- Anthony Dixon- RB- Mississippi St.
66. Det- Jason Fox- OT- Miami
67. TB- Kareem Jackson- CB- Alabama
68. KC- Ciron Black- OT- LSU
69. Oak- Vince Oghobaase- DT- Duke
70. Phi (from Sea)- Dominique Franks- CB- Oklahoma
71. Was (from Cle)- Lamarr Houston- DT- Texas
72. Buf- Jevan Snead- QB- Mississippi
73. Mia- Arrelius Benn- WR- Illinois
74. Jax- Tim Tebow- QB- Florida
75. Chi- Brandon LaFell- WR- LSU
76. NYG- Kyle Calloway- OT- Iowa
77. Ten- Amari Spievey- CB- Iowa
78. Car- Boo Robinson- DT- Wake Forest
79. SF- Jordan Shipley- WR- Texas
80. Den- Matt Tennant- C- Boston College
81. Hou- Nate Allen- S- S. Florida
82. Pit- Jimmy Graham- TE- Miami
83. Atl- Greg Hardy- DE- Mississippi
84. Cin- Reshad Jones- S- Georgia
85. Oak (from NE)- Jarrett Brown- QB- W. Virginia
86. GB- Major Wright- S- Florida
87. Phi- Demaryius Thomas- WR- Georgia Tech
88. Was (from Bal via Ari)- Joe McKnight- RB- USC
89. Ari- Thaddeus Gibson- LB- Ohio St.
90. Dal- Cam Thomas- DT- N. Carolina
91. SD- Jared Veldheer- OT- Hillsdale
92. Cle (from NYJ)- Trevard Lindley- CB- Kentucky
93. Min- Rennie Curran- LB- Georgia
94. Ind- Syd’Quan Thompson- CB- California
95. NO- George Selvie- DE- S. Florida

FOURTH ROUND
96. SL- Carlton Mitchell- WR- S. Florida
97. Det- Montario Hardesty- RB- Tennessee
98. NYJ (from TB)- Tony Washington- OT- Abeline Christian
99. KC- J.D. Walton- C- Baylor
100. Was- Jon Asamoah- G- Illinois
101. Sea- Ben Tate- RB- Auburn
102. Cle-Jason Worilds- LB- Virginia Tech
103. Oak- Javier Arenas- CB- Alabama
104. Buf- Linval Joseph- DT- E. Carolina
105. Jax- Mardy Gilyard- WR- Cincinnati
106. Chi- Dekoda Watson- LB- Florida St.
107. Mia- Robert Johnson- S- Utah
108. Ten- Rodger Saffold- G- Indiana
109. Car- Eric Decker- WR- Minnesota
110. SF- Kam Chancellor- S- Virginia Tech
111. Den- Torrell Troup- DT- C. Florida
112. NYG- Sean Canfield- QB- Oregon St.
113. Pit- Sean Lee- LB- Penn St.
114. Atl- Riley Cooper- WR- Florida
115. Hou- Dezmon Briscoe- WR- Kansas
116. Cin- John Jerry- G- Mississippi
117. NE- Darryl Sharpton- LB- Miami
118. GB- Akwasi Owusu-Ansah- CB- Indiana (PA)
119. Phi- Justin Cole- LB- San Jose St.
120. Ari (from Bal)- Sam Young- OT- Notre Dame
121. NYJ (from Ari)- Myron Lewis- CB- Vanderbilt
122. Dal- Adam Ulatoski- OT- Texas
123. SD- Jay Ross- DT- E. Carolina
124. Phi (from NYJ)- Garrett Graham- TE- Wisconsin
125. Min- Michael Smith- RB- Arkansas
126. Ind- A.J. Edds- LB- Iowa
127. NO- Ed Dickson- TE- Oregon

FIFTH ROUND
128. SL- Alterraun Verner- CB- UCLA
129. Atl (from Det)- Walter McFadden- CB- Auburn
130. Cle (from TB)- Dennis Pitta- TE- BYU
131. Was- Kurt Coleman- S- Ohio St.
132. KC- Jamar Chaney- LB- Mississippi St.
133. Cle- Kade Weston- DT- Georgia
134. Oak- Austen Lane- DE- Murray St.
135. Sea- Roddrick Muckelroy- LB- Texas
136. Buf- Taylor Price- WR- Ohio
137. Chi- Ed Wang- OT- Virginia Tech
138. KC (from Mia)- Anthony McCoy- TE- USC
139. Jax- Jerome Murphy- CB- S. Florida
140. KC (from Car)- Zane Beadles- G- Utah
141. SF- Jeff Byers- G- USC
142. Det (from Den)- Larry Hart- LB- C. Arkansas
143. NYG- Lindsey Witten- DE- Connecticut
144. Ten- Danario Alexander- WR- Missouri
145. Det (from Atl)- Mitch Petrus- G- Arkansas
146. Hou- Eric Olsen- C- Notre Dame
147. Pit- Darrell Stuckey- S- Kansas
148. Cin- Jacoby Ford- WR- Clemson
149. TB (from NE)- Kevin Haslam- OT- Rutgers
150. GB- DeMarcus Granger- DL- Oklahoma
151. SL (from Phi)- Rico McCoy- LB- Tennessee
152. Bal- Al Woods- DT- LSU
153. Ari- Tony Moeaki- TE- Iowa
154. NE (from Dal via Den)- Dan LeFevour- QB- C. Michigan
155. SD- Chris Cook- CB- Virginia
156. Cle (from NYJ)- Mike Williams- WR- Syracuse
157. Min- Larry Asante- S- Nebraska
158. Ind- Geno Atkins- DT- Georgia
159. Phi (from NO)- LeGarrette Blount- RB- Oregon

SIXTH ROUND
160. SL- Sergio Render- G- Virginia Tech
161. Atl (from Det)- Marshall Newhouse- OT- TCU
162. TB- Cameron Sheffield- LB- Troy
163. KC- Jeff Owens- DT- Georgia
164. Mia (from Was)- Michael Hoomanawanui- TE- Illinois
165. Car (from Oak)- Crezdon Butler- CB- Clemson
166. Sea- Jamar Wall- CB- Texas Tech
167. Cle- Donald Butler- LB- Washington
168. Buf- Jermaine Cunningham- LB- Florida
169. Mia- Micah Johnson- LB- Kentucky
170. Jax- Brandon Carter- G- Texas Tech
171. Chi- Myron Rolle- S- Florida St.
172. SF- Walter Thurmond III- CB- Oregon
173. Den- O'Brien Schofield- LB- Wisconsin
174. NYG- Nolan Carroll- CB- Maryland
175. Ten- John Skelton- QB- Fordham
176. Cle (from Car)- Javarris James- RB- Miami
177. Hou- Jonathan Crompton- QB- Tennessee
178. Pit- Shawn Lauvao- G- Arizona St.
179. Atl- Jeron Mastrud- TE- Kansas St.
180. Cin- Kevin Basped- DE- Nevada
181. NE- Devin Ross- CB- Arizona
182. GB- Stafon Johnson- RB- USC
183. Buf (from Phi)- Dorin Dickerson- TE- Pittsburgh
184. Bal- Seyi Ajirotutu- WR- Fresno St.
185. Ari- Levi Brown- QB- Troy
186. Dal- Jeremy Williams- WR- Tulane
187. Hou (from SD)- D’Anthony Smith- DT- Louisiana Tech
188. NYJ- Auston English- LB- Oklahoma
189. Min- Aleric Mullins- DT- N. Carolina
190. Phi (from Ind)- Ted Larsen- C- NC St.
191. NO- Doug Worthington- DT- Ohio St.

SEVENTH ROUND
192. SL- Barry Church- S- Toledo
193. Det- Josh Pinkard- S- USC
194. TB- Casey Bender- G- S. Dakota St.
195. Was- Andre Roberts- WR- The Citadel
196. Mia (from KC)- Brandon Lang- LB- Troy
197. Sea- Reggie Stephens- G- Iowa St.
198. Cle- Dace Richardson- G- Iowa
199. Oak- Lonyae Miller- RB- Fresno St.
200. Buf- Chris Scott- OT- Tennessee
201. TB (from Jax)- Kendrick Lewis- S- Mississippi
202. Chi- Willie Young- DE- NC St.
203. Mia- Charles Alexander- DT- LSU
204. Den- Antonio Brown- WR- C. Michigan
205. NYG- Joe Hawley- C- UNLV
206. Ten- Boris Lee- LB- Troy
207. Car- C.J. Wilson- DE- E. Carolina
208. SF- Leigh Tiffin- K- Alabama
209. Pit- Zac Robinson- QB- Oklahoma St.
210. SL (from Atl)- Clifton Geathers- DE- S. Carolina
211. Hou- Stevenson Sylvester- LB- Utah
212. Cin- John Estes- C- Hawaii
213. NE- Mike Tepper- OT- California
214. GB- Trindon Holiday- KR- LSU
215. NE (from Phi)- Armanti Edwards- WR- Appalachian St.
216. Bal- Kurtis Gregory- G- Missouri
217. Ari- Ryan D'Imperio- LB- Rutgers
218. Dal- Corey Peters- DT- Kentucky
219. SD- Tim Hiller- QB- W. Michigan
220. Det (from NYJ)- Colin Peek- TE- Alabama
221. Min- Cole Pemberton- OT- Colorado St.
222. Ind- Charles Scott- RB- LSU
223. NO- Rusty Smith- QB- Florida Atlantic

PACKERS 7 Main Picks
OT Trent Williams
OLB Koa Misi
S Major Wright
CB Owusu-Ansah
DL DeMarcus Granger
RB Stafon Johnson
KR Trondon Holliday

princefielder28
03-26-2010, 10:12 AM
If that ended up being the Packers draft then I'd be pretty satisfied, but I think we'd still be leaving ourselves without a LT for the future.

RyanBraun8
03-26-2010, 01:53 PM
Rd1. Kyle Wilson- CB/PR/ Boise St- With all of the best tackles off the board and the resigning of Clifton the Packers aren't forced to reach for one, so they land a very promising CB prospect to add a huge boost to our secondary. TT realizes that we lack the depth and talent in the secondary to make it far in the playoffs and we don't want to get exposed by the better passing teams. We get Chuck's future successor and an immediate special teams boost between him or...... .

I could live with Kyle Wilson

Rd2. Dexter McCluster- Ath/ Ole Miss- He is a poor mans Percy Harvin, he could add instant special teams help along with a receiving threat out of the backfield. Has great hands.

Love the pick but I wouldn't say he is a poor mans Percy Harvin, because actually Harvin is a poor man McCluster when it comes the ability to run the ball. It is a good comparison but have remember that Dexter is more of a RB and Percy a WR. It is tough to be a poor man someone when you specialize in different positions.

Rd3. Jason Fox- OT/ Miami- The Packers add a talented player with injury issues, but if he can regain his health he could be a solid T down the line.

Another great pick, he is one of the few OT I really like, plus he has the ability to step in and contribute right away at RT

Rd4. Major Wright- S/ Florida- Underrated player IMO, will add depth behind Bigby with starting potential in the future.

Well he would be nice to have but not backing up Bigby. He is a FS and don't see him sliding over to SS. Solid back up for Collins though.

Rd5. Ed Wang- OG/OT/ VT- Very athletic big man, adds depth. Smart, which always wins points from Teddy Thompson..

I just puked in my mouth a bit. ha anyone who saw 2 seconds of the Senior Bowl practices or game would have notice how good aweful he was. It may be one of the worse displays I have ever watched. He got destroyed by leterally every defender that faced him. He made a lot of guys look like super star prospects

Rd5. O'Brien Schofield- OLB/ UW- Popular pick on these forums, but he would've likely been a 2nd rd pick if not for his injury, so we get a bargain with our comp pick and we can develop him behind Brad Jones, who is still developing .

Tough to draft him, he still needs to pack on at least 30-35 LB's in order to fit into the scheme. Right now he looks like more of a 4-3 OLB with the size of a SS.

Rd6. Emmanuel Sanders- WR/ SMU- Small school guy with good speed and route running, will compete for 5th WR spot.

Good pick

RD7. Matt Dodge- Punter/ East Carolina- Competes for the job.

Come on, we got the lefty Aussie Ringer!!!

Overall I think it would be good, maybe trade Wright for Rolle and replace Wang. Wang will instantly make me look negitively on this draft. He is that horrendious

Jim Jim
03-27-2010, 04:11 PM
First Round Selection: Jahvid Best, RB, California.
Second Round Selection: Jerome Murphy, CB, South Florida.
Third Round Selection: Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia.
Fourth Round Selection: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana(PA)
Fifth Round Selection: Cole Pemberton, OT, Colorado State.
Fifth Round Selection COMP: O'Brien Schofield, OLB, Wisconsin.
Sixth Round Selection: Emmanuel Sanders, WR, SM.
Seventh Round Selection: Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan.

J-Mike88
03-27-2010, 08:41 PM
First Round Selection: Jahvid Best, RB, California.
Second Round Selection: Jerome Murphy, CB, South Florida.
Third Round Selection: Selvish Capers, OT, West Virginia.
Fourth Round Selection: Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, CB, Indiana(PA)
Fifth Round Selection: Cole Pemberton, OT, Colorado State.
Fifth Round Selection COMP: O'Brien Schofield, OLB, Wisconsin.
Sixth Round Selection: Emmanuel Sanders, WR, SM.
Seventh Round Selection: Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan.
I like most of it except the first pick. I'll puke a little if thats our first pick, as I did when Holliday was taken in 1998 and Harrell in 2007.
We need more pass rush from the LB position, and Schofield won't help this year there.
I like seeing 2 OT's although I can't imagine Capers being taken by us.

RyanBraun8
03-27-2010, 09:07 PM
I like most of it except the first pick. I'll puke a little if thats our first pick, as I did when Holliday was taken in 1998 and Harrell in 2007.
We need more pass rush from the LB position, and Schofield won't help this year there.
I like seeing 2 OT's although I can't imagine Capers being taken by us.


I am literally dumbfounded everytime you trash the Holliday pick. If you watched 1 game between 1998-2002, it is really hard for me to understand why you have such at hatred for that pick. He played great, he had a few injury problems(averaged missing 3 games a season) but the fact he racked up 32 sacks in 5 years, playing in only 66 games. If it wasn't for Sherman really liking Kampman they would have resigned him. I must be missing something...

I will have no problem with the taking Best, I will jump up and down if they snag him over Hughes. Best will be the perfect complement to Grant and really make this offense on of the most feared. Still need to solidify the line a little more and get another TE who can block and receive to take "Can't Catch" Lee spot. Like it or not Best is one of the most deadly threats in the draft.

As for Capers, who is one of the better options in the draft at OT for a ZBS I see him as a pretty good probablity if he is still sitting there in the 3rd or 4th round. I don't see why not

cvv84
03-27-2010, 09:08 PM
I like most of it except the first pick. I'll puke a little if thats our first pick, as I did when Holliday was taken in 1998 and Harrell in 2007.
We need more pass rush from the LB position, and Schofield won't help this year there.
I like seeing 2 OT's although I can't imagine Capers being taken by us.

Whats your beef with Holliday? He was a stud for us for years and his longevity in the NFL justifies his selection. Can you really blame Wolf for not selecting a guy who got into 2 racial motivated fights in college, tested positive for marijuana, and got dismissed from FSU. 20 other teams passed on him too but at least Holliday turned out to be a very good pick for us.

RyanBraun8
03-27-2010, 10:00 PM
Randy Moss was cancer coming out of college, not the dream player to draft to a team coming off back to back Super Bowls. You could claim how much he would have helped the team but his attitude and mantality would have been very disruptive. I doubt Freeman and Brooks would have related to or been able to help as much as Carter did. Carter was the perfect mentor for Moss cause he had been in his shoes before.

But there ARE big reasons why a top 5 talent with the athleticability of Dion Sanders and a 6'4 frame was skipped over by 20 teams...

J-Mike88
03-28-2010, 08:04 AM
Ron Wolf has admitted that (passing on Moss in the 98 draft) was his biggest mistake in his Packer tenure.
If Wolf said it, why can't fans agree with him? Boggles my mind that some people's hatred for Moss can affect their evaluation of the guy's Hall of Fame career.

Here's the simple answer to that: Wolf passed on the clear BPA for the nice, servicable Holliday.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=2808517
Ron Wolf, on listening to the reports that Randy Moss wouldn't last due to off-field issues: One of his biggest regrets was passing on Randy Moss in 1998 (the Packers took defensive tackle Vonnie Holliday).

"I let outside influences that were not all that important get to me," he said. "Looking back, they didn't have any credence, and that's a big regret of mine." The main report that turned teams off on Moss at the time were the rumors of testing positive for marijuana, just like what knocked Miami's Warren Sapp down in the draft 3 years earlier.

What I find funny now is that there are stories this week being reported that more than half of the first round prospects in this 2010 may have tested positive for that same thing. I am one of the few here, apparently, who do not and never have done that weed crap. So I don't like it. However, to pass on a player of all-world talent because of that? Well it looks foolish now doesn't it.

Ron Wolf, back in 2007, talking about the Randy Moss to Green Bay deal that Oakland and the Packers had:

The thing is, Wolf seems to think Moss is worth the risk.
Wolf, who was in attendance at the fan fest on Friday, said that Thompson should do the deal if he is comfortable with the information he has on Moss.

“You have to know what you’re getting, and if he can help you win, there’s no question that you go after him,” Wolf said. “Guys like Randy Moss don’t walk down the street every day. You cannot discount that. From the time he took the field for Minnesota, he was a Packer killer.”

Anyone who watched the 1998 season knows how big of a mistake that was.
Sure, you may not like Randy Moss' antics, but the Cowboys of the 1990's won 3 Super Bowls with a lot of guys who had far far worse antics.

The moment that the Vikings scooped up Moss right after Wolf passed on him, the two teams were forever impacted. We went from 2-time defending NFC champions, to a spectator watching Moss lead that team to a 15-1, record-breaking season.

They came into Lambeau Field that October for a Monday Night showdown, against a Packer team with a 2-year long home winning streak, and they humiliated the Packers, leading 35-7 at halftime behind 3 Randy Moss bombs. It was so bad, that the next draft, Ron Wolf REACTED to that by selecting 3 defensive backs with his first 3 picks in the next draft.

Moss was so great, many in the media compared him to Jerry Rice. Moss was so great, he made Brad Johnson look good. He made Jeff George look good. He made former retired Randall Cunningham look great. He made Daunte Culpepper look like an MVP. My Goodness.

Again, Holliday has had a fine career, but he was never a difference-maker. In fact, 2 years ago he had a nice season in Miami and I was an advocate of bringing him in as DE for us last year as we knew we couldn't count on Harrell at DE for us in our new 3-4. But as Ron Wolf said: "Guys like Randy Moss don't walk down the street every day."

You guys hate him now, but had Wolf selected him, you'd have seen millions of Packer #84 Moss jerseys sold, and we would have 3-peated at least in winning the NFC again that 1998 season as the Vikings wouldn't have had that magical run, which Denny Green choked away in the NFCCG.

RyanBraun8
03-28-2010, 12:10 PM
Actually I love Moss and I constintly say not trading a 4th rd pick for him on of TTs biggest mistakes but your doing that hinsight thing again. You think Wolf is the only one of the 20 GMs who skipped over him 9 years later aren't saying the same thing. Looking back it is easy to say all the problems weren't a big deal but what if he didn't have Carter? He easily could have been in packmans shoes and Wolf would say I made a great choice.

So note I have never once said I hated Moss I just don't think hindsight is the best way to to analyze things. It is much easier to say that that wasn't the right decison but that isn't reality. Tom Brady should have been top pick but he wasn't, he was skipped over 4 six rounds... You don't think every GM is kicking themselves for missing him? Of course. Ryan Leaf shouldn't have been such a high pick...easy to say now, not then.

J-Mike88
03-28-2010, 12:33 PM
I thought we were talking about the Packers, Wolf, and Thompson.
To grade a person's performance, you have to go back in time right?
Call it hindsight, or what you want, but you obviously look back.
You can't grade on the future unless you're psychic. And if any of you are psychic, I want your picks before my 2010 Bodog Season kicks off :cool:

Actually I love Moss and I constintly say not trading a 4th rd pick for him on of TTs biggest mistakes but your doing that hinsight thing again. You think Wolf is the only one of the 20 GMs who skipped over him 9 years later aren't saying the same thing. Looking back it is easy to say all the problems weren't a big deal but what if he didn't have Carter? He easily could have been in packmans shoes and Wolf would say I made a great choice.

So note I have never once said I hated Moss I just don't think hindsight is the best way to to analyze things. It is much easier to say that that wasn't the right decison but that isn't reality. Tom Brady should have been top pick but he wasn't, he was skipped over 4 six rounds... You don't think every GM is kicking themselves for missing him? Of course. Ryan Leaf shouldn't have been such a high pick...easy to say now, not then.

cvv84
03-28-2010, 12:33 PM
J-Mike you really amaze me. Some days you come in clear and other days you sound like a Chinese radio station. If this site had a bi-polar poster award you'd win in a heartbeat. Do you think that this Wolf/Moss story is today's news or that none of us have heard it before? Who's criticizing Moss or saying that we were right in passing on him? Like RyanBraun8 said, hindsight is just a poor way to look at the past.

I thought we were talking about the Packers, Wolf, and Thompson.
To grade a person's performance, you have to go back in time right?
Call it hindsight, or what you want, but you obviously look back.
You can't grade on the future unless you're psychic. And if any of you are psychic, I want your picks before my 2010 Bodog Season kicks off :cool:

I think it was just you that was talking about Wolf and Thompson. This is a mock draft topic - which you seem to deviate on periodically to start pointless debates about non-relevant topics.

J-Mike88
03-28-2010, 12:36 PM
cvv84,

just break down TT's tenure here so far, and grade it.
you go on record here, and go out on a limb,

again, calling it hindsight or revisionist history, call it what you will.
but we're into season 6 of the TT era, and i think giving him a B to B- is very accurate & fair for his whole body of work. in that body, there are hits and misses. there are groundouts, fly outs, strikeouts. and there are some singles, doubles, triples, and home runs.

your turns......

J-Mike you really amaze me. Some days you come in clear and other days you sound like a Chinese radio station. If this site had a bi-polar poster award you'd win in a heartbeat. Do you think that this Wolf/Moss story is today's news or that none of us have heard it before? Who's criticizing Moss or saying that we were right in passing on him? Like RyanBraun8 said, hindsight is just a poor way to look at the past.

cvv84
03-28-2010, 12:39 PM
cvv84,

just break down TT's tenure here so far, and grade it.
you go on record here, and go out on a limb,

again, calling it hindsight or revisionist history, call it what you will.
but we're into season 6 of the TT era, and i think giving him a B to B- is very accurate & fair for his whole body of work. in that body, there are hits and misses. there are groundouts, fly outs, strikeouts. and there are some singles, doubles, triples, and home runs.

your turns......

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1698154&#post1698154

J-Mike88
03-28-2010, 12:39 PM
I think it was just you that was talking about Wolf and Thompson. This is a mock draft topic - which you seem to deviate on periodically to start pointless debates about non-relevant topics.
yeah, look at the 9:07 and 9:08 posts by you guys.
i had commented on the guy's mock draft, and you 2 took it off mock draft route because you were offended by the holliday thing for some reason. i didn't even know which thread i was reading and responding to.

but it's just the 3 of us anyway here carrying on.
good stuff fellas.
let's get the draft here anyway.

you 2 are due to throw in a mock draft here now by the way. :)

cvv84
03-28-2010, 12:42 PM
yeah, look at the 9:07 and 9:08 posts by you guys.
i had commented on the guy's mock draft, and you 2 took it off mock draft route because you were offended by the holliday thing for some reason. i didn't even know which thread i was reading and responding to.

but it's just the 3 of us anyway here carrying on.
good stuff fellas.
let's get the draft here anyway.

you 2 are due to throw in a mock draft here now by the way. :)

Not offended, just appalled that you call yourself a Packers fan considering some of the jibberish that you're spewing. Thats why I commented on your comments reguarding Holliday.

Also I don't make mocks, its almost as pointless and talking about Peppers/Cromartie coming to the Packers. (hint, hint)

J-Mike88
03-28-2010, 12:51 PM
Also I don't make mocks, its almost as pointless and talking about Peppers/Cromartie coming to the Packers. (hint, hint)
Scott makes mocks.
Kiper makes mocks.
McShay makes mocks.
Mayock makes mocks.
Banks makes mocks.

I guess we're all pointless and gibberish for doing it, and the millions of readers of them are suckers?

It's supposed to be fun.
Are you having a bad week? Girlfriend problems?
Mocks and those things are meant to be fun, which is why they all make them. Why get so mad about them? Strange.

In need of vacation?

Jim Jim
03-28-2010, 12:54 PM
Let's all play nice.

You can all argue after I have beaten you all in the first annual Packers Draft Challenge!

J-Mike88
03-28-2010, 12:55 PM
Let's all play nice.

You can all argue after I have beaten you all in the first annual Packers Draft Challenge!

That's the attitude!!!
I love this guy.

See cvv, it's not pointless and gibberish.
It's F-U-N, fun. GOod times.

cvv84
03-28-2010, 01:04 PM
Scott makes mocks.
Kiper makes mocks.
McShay makes mocks.
Mayock makes mocks.
Banks makes mocks.

I guess we're all pointless and gibberish for doing it, and the millions of readers of them are suckers?

It's supposed to be fun.
Are you having a bad week? Girlfriend problems?
Mocks and those things are meant to be fun, which is why they all make them. Why get so mad about them? Strange.

In need of vacation?

Mocks are just entertainment. If mocks were perfect then why even hold a draft? Its fun to talk about prospects and who could potentially help your team but making mocks is just pointless to me.

And no I'm not mad at all, I'm just sick of seeing all this outlandish BS that you keep putting on here. Every time I come on here is something new with you. Its always you getting hung up on some stupid topic and fighting to the death to try to defend it. At least put some rational thought and common sense into your posts.

J-Mike88
03-28-2010, 01:23 PM
Mocks are just entertainment. If mocks were perfect then why even hold a draft? Its fun to talk about prospects and who could potentially help your team but making mocks is just pointless to me.
:confused:

Then you're in the wrong place perhaps, and especially at this time with the draft coming in about 4 weeks now.... Again, it is fun (so loosen up & don't get so mad)and nobody expects their mock to be A) perfect or B) psychicly accurate.

is pshychicly a word?

cvv84
03-28-2010, 01:25 PM
:confused:

Then you're in the wrong place perhaps, and especially at this time with the draft coming in about 4 weeks now.... Again, it is fun (so loosen up & don't get so mad)and nobody expects their mock to be A) perfect or B) psychicly accurate.

is pshychicly a word?

Eh, thats why I said they are just purely entertainment. :rolleyes:

RyanBraun8
03-28-2010, 01:41 PM
Mocks are indeed pointless and are all guesses. Usually Kiper, Scott, and everyone else are lucky if they can even hit on 20% of there picks in 1st round. Once you get outside of the top 5 maybe 10, it is just a crap shot and no one knows who is going where.

I like to speculate what I feel they could and often prefer to focus more on position over players (example1st CB, 2nd OT, 3rd OLB etc, the players I fill are just a short list of guys guys I feel fit the system the best and will be solid NFL players.) But it is just that pure speculation. None of us have the resource a front office does like unlimited film, accurite medical history and the ability to sit in on the interviews with the kids and talk to former coaches. So any projection I make is almost guarenteed to be wrong because I only have a tenth of what the real decision makers have.

So realistically, CVV84 is right, they are pointless. Not to say they are not fun, it is like filling out a March Madness bracket but no one has a clue not even Scott, Mel, Todd, Mayock, or me. It is all guesses, that is it.

They are entertainment and those people like Kiper, Todd, even Scott make money for there guesses

RyanBraun8
03-28-2010, 02:19 PM
1)WR D. Thomas GT
2)QB T. Tebow UF
3)CB Owusu-Ansah Indiana (Pen)
4)RB A. Dixon Miss St.
5)SS M. Rolle Florida ST.
5)OT M. Newhouse TCU (also a guard prospect)
6)OLB H. Davis UL Lafeyette
7)TE D. Epps Miami

:)

J-Mike88
03-31-2010, 06:19 PM
1)WR D. Thomas GT
2)QB T. Tebow UF
3)CB Owusu-Ansah Indiana (Pen)
4)RB A. Dixon Miss St.
5)SS M. Rolle Florida ST.
5)OT M. Newhouse TCU (also a guard prospect)
6)OLB H. Davis UL Lafeyette
7)TE D. Epps Miami
:)
I love Tebow, and I know that would bring an ESPN crew to Grenn Bay 24-7, but I don't think Tebow can ever help us on the field. I love the guy's passion, his faith, his desire to win, but I don't think he will be a good QB, plus we don't need one.
I think Ansah is moving up the so-called boards... if he's there in Rd 3, would have to take him. D Thomas, best case scenario, is Brandon Marshall. Worst case: Tyrone Callico. Neither guy is worth us passing on a great OLB, CB, and OT, IMO. Think about it... even Marshall can't commant a first round pick. WR's are overrated in terms of success to a football team. I think the Saints cast-o-characters at WR shows this... Meachem is supposedly so much more talented, but he's just a small role player there.

J-Mike88
03-31-2010, 06:26 PM
NEW MOCK:

Chargers really want Ryan Matthews, so they trade their 1st (#28) and their 2nd rounder (#40) to GB for #23. Trade value chart is close enough this could be a deal. Packers may have to kick back a late round pick, or a bum who will be cut anyway.

#28- Jerry Hughes, OLB, TCU
#40- Chad Jones, S, LSU
#56- Jared Veldheer, T, Hillside
#86- Kyle Calloway, T, Iowa
#122- Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan
5A- Trindon Holliday, WR/Return Specialist/LSU
5B- Javarris James, RB, Miami
6- Zoltan Mesko, P, Michigan
7th- Mike Kafka, QB, Northwestern

umphrey
03-31-2010, 06:43 PM
I hate Tebow and his holier than thou demeanor. I'm also an atheist.

Mecca
03-31-2010, 06:47 PM
I'm representing the Packers in a forum mock where every person has a team..here's my draft so far you guys as fans of the Pack can tell me what you'd think of this..

1. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
2. Morgan Burnett, S, Georgia Tech
3. Koa Misi, OLB, Utah
4. Joe McKnight, RB, USC
5. AJ Jefferson, CB, Fresno State
5.(Supplemental) Clifton Geathers, DE, South Carolina

princefielder28
03-31-2010, 06:56 PM
I'm representing the Packers in a forum mock where every person has a team..here's my draft so far you guys as fans of the Pack can tell me what you'd think of this..

1. Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers
2. Morgan Burnett, S, Georgia Tech
3. Koa Misi, OLB, Utah
4. Joe McKnight, RB, USC
5. AJ Jefferson, CB, Fresno State
5.(Supplemental) Clifton Geathers, DE, South Carolina

Great picks! Morgan Burnett has quite a bit of work that needs to be done with him, but he has the potential to be a stud, Davis is the franchise tackle we need, Misi is a wonderful compliment to Matthews, McKnight is an interesting prospect, Jefferson has all the measurables, and Geathers is a great fit for the defense.

cvv84
03-31-2010, 06:59 PM
I hate Tebow and his holier than thou demeanor. I'm also an atheist.

I wouldn't mind Tebow - in the 3rd.

I think we're going to draft another QB, say round 4-7, so we can keep pushing Flynn. At least with Tebow being left handed it would help diminish our problems at tackle. Yes the guy is a T-bag but if we got him at a lesser value I wouldn't have a problem with having him.

J-Mike88
03-31-2010, 08:49 PM
I hate Tebow and his holier than thou demeanor. I'm also an atheist.
Nobody asked, but it's no surprise considering the 2nd word you used there.
I bet we never hear that word come out of Tebow's mouth, despite him having microphones shoved into his face more than any player in CFA history.

Favre4ever
03-31-2010, 09:05 PM
Im tired of the Tebow hate. I really don't like him as a player but the man has never done anything to deserve that. People always feel the need to say they hate him because of who he is. At least hes not assulting women or killing dogs in his free time...

As for Tebow the QB, i wouldnt draft him, he wouldnt fit in MM system.

bigboiajhawk
04-01-2010, 03:34 AM
Well here goes my second to last mock draft, my last one will be about a day or two before the draft.

1) Taylor Mays, S, USC - He is going to make every team pay that passes up on him.

2) Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale College - I hope he is there when we are drafting, he is the best candidate to learn for a year under Clifton. I could see TT potentially trading up to draft him.

3) Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State - I see him dropping a little bit due to questions about his speed and character. There is no denying his ball skills and return ability.

4) Junior Gallete, OLB, Stillman - Raw OLB, athletic, great pass rusher, and has decent size...

5a) LaMarcus Coker, RB, Hampton - Legit Chris Johnson type speed, severe character issues in the past, seems to have matured. Can make an impact in the return game right away.

5b) Doug Worthington, DE, Ohio State - Ideal size and speed for a 3-4 DE, just needs to improve strength.

6) Kevin Matthews, C, Texas A&M - Why not add another Matthews to the team.

7) Nyan Boateng, WR, California - Raw WR with potential yet.

J-Mike88
04-01-2010, 08:18 AM
Well here goes my second to last mock draft, my last one will be about a day or two before the draft.

1) Taylor Mays, S, USC - He is going to make every team pay that passes up on him.

2) Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale College - I hope he is there when we are drafting, he is the best candidate to learn for a year under Clifton. I could see TT potentially trading up to draft him.

3) Perrish Cox, CB, Oklahoma State - I see him dropping a little bit due to questions about his speed and character. There is no denying his ball skills and return ability.

4) Junior Gallete, OLB, Stillman - Raw OLB, athletic, great pass rusher, and has decent size...

5a) LaMarcus Coker, RB, Hampton - Legit Chris Johnson type speed, severe character issues in the past, seems to have matured. Can make an impact in the return game right away.

5b) Doug Worthington, DE, Ohio State - Ideal size and speed for a 3-4 DE, just needs to improve strength.

6) Kevin Matthews, C, Texas A&M - Why not add another Matthews to the team.

7) Nyan Boateng, WR, California - Raw WR with potential yet.
I'd be okay with Mays, Veldheer, and Cox for the 1-2-3. Honestly can't lie and say I saw a lot of Stillman games on TV, but he sounds good. Of course, I've never seen any Hillsdale games on ESPN either, but have seen plenty of film on him. He's a Packer guy for sure. Coker and Perrish Cox... they don't seem to be your typical Packer character guys so they'd surprise me.

I'd love to get the new Matthews. Is he capable of playing LG?

bigboiajhawk
04-01-2010, 01:32 PM
Coker and Perrish Cox... they don't seem to be your typical Packer character guys so they'd surprise me.

I know exactly what you mean, but I just think a change of scenery would help out both of them, and we do have great locker room veterans in Woodson, Harris, Driver, and more, to keep them from doing something stupid. I do think that Cox is going to be a great CB, just watching highlights of him, he looks like he has some outstanding ball skills.

Anyone who picks up Coker is getting a steal, if he can stay drug free.

RyanBraun8
04-02-2010, 01:44 AM
I'd love Mays, Veldheer, and Cox for the 1-2-3. Honestly can't lie and say I saw a lot of Stillman games on TV, but he sounds good. Of course, I've never seen any Hillsdale games on ESPN either, but have seen plenty of film on him. He's a Packer guy for sure. Coker and Perrish Cox... they don't seem to be your typical Packer character guys so they'd surprise me.

I'd love to get the new Matthews. Is he capable of playing LG?

The thing with Cocker is that he was like Josh Hamilton coming to Tennesse. A complete straight edge, never drank, smoke, anything but he got to UT and some of his fellow teamates got him to start smoking weed and he was dumb about it and failed 4 test. Now I guess he has quit (not that it should have been that hard, it is not addictive at all unless you try really hard to make it be physcologically). So I don't see it as a problem. It is very low risk pick, I mean TT will cut any pick after the 3rd round he they don't look good. I am much more concerned about real trouble makers or guys who do real drugs that mess you up like cocaine, Heroine, PCP, X, LCD and stuff like that or are always in fights and running their mouths. Cocker isn't like that from everything I read.

I bet Matthews could move over to guard... it is usually a easier transition. They are very simular except you are not the general of the LOS and you dont have to snap. Most centers can move over and be fine....they are usually the smartest out of the bunch. Guards going to center though, that would be a different story.

J-Mike88
04-13-2010, 04:56 PM
If you're making or looking at mock drafts, check this out:
http://draftdebacled.com/ConsensusMock.aspx

It breaks down the consensuses from tons of mocks, and averages it out.

Based on that, CHARLES BROWN is the guy.

jackalope
04-13-2010, 05:02 PM
If you're making or looking at mock drafts, check this out:
http://draftdebacled.com/ConsensusMock.aspx

It breaks down the consensuses from tons of mocks, and averages it out.

Based on that, CHARLES BROWN is the guy.

If I had to make a prediction as to who we'd take right now, I'd go with Charles Brown.

J-Mike88
04-13-2010, 09:42 PM
If I had to make a prediction as to who we'd take right now, I'd go with Charles Brown.
Me too, but I have only been right 1 of 5 times on Teddy's first pick, and that was the easy one at number 5 with Hawk.
So if you and I think it's gonna be Charles Brown, it surely won't be! :confused:

Mr.Regular
04-13-2010, 10:23 PM
TT isn't that crazy with his first round picks.

ARod was a no brainer value/ need wise.
Hawk was the consensus.
Harrell was a head scratcher.
Raji was a near consensus and trading up for Matthews made a ton of sense too.

So maybe he'll go with what we're all thinking and goes with Brown. I hope so!
Come on guys, hop on the Brown bandwagon!

J-Mike88
04-14-2010, 10:23 AM
TT isn't that crazy with his first round picks.

So maybe he'll go with what we're all thinking and goes with Brown. I hope so!
Come on guys, hop on the Brown bandwagon!
I like Brown, but Jared Gaither is > than Charles Brown is, and you can get Gaither for the #56 (it seems) whereas you need to use #23 to get Brown. Doesn't make sense to me, plus half of rookies are busts. Gaither already has proven he's not a bust.

Take advantage of the Ravens situation there with Oher, and obtain JG, if the Shefter/LaCantera/King rumors are true, that they are willing to trade him for a 2nd. I find that sceptical because it's a no-brainer isn't it?

bigboiajhawk
04-17-2010, 09:38 PM
Last Packers Mock

1) Taylor Mays, S, USC - I am really hoping that he is still here when the Packers pick him. He would have easily been a top ten pick a year ago. Mays will make every team pay that does not select him.

2) Packers trade up here, don't know what picks they will unload (for the sake of this i will say a 4th and a 5th), don't know where they will end up selecting. But they will get "their guy". I think that guy is...Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale. I believe there is a sharp drop off after him, and the Packers want to land their future LT.

3) Perrish Cox, CB, OK State - Teams will pass on him and he will slide.

5) Doug Worthington, DE, Ohio State - Perfect size, just needs to get a little stronger

6) O'Brien Schofield, OLB, Bucky - The Packers have their starting OLB in Jones, Schofield will be brought along slowly and mid season should start to make an impact.

7) Dace Richardson, OG/OT, Iowa - Iowa's top offensive lineman when he stayed healthy.


I was swaying my first rounder between Mays and Jerry Hughes, Brandon Graham is still my top Packer prospect if he is there, 95% sure he won't make it to the 20's. However, I think the Packers have confidence in Jones as the OLB.

So what did the Packers get out of this draft:
Improved Secondary
LT of the future
PR/KR
DL Depth

J-Mike88
04-19-2010, 09:17 AM
Looks pretty good Hawk. I like it.

J-Mike88
04-19-2010, 09:50 AM
Round 1, #23- OLB JERRY HUGHES, TCU; 6-1 3/4, 255
The more I watch of Hughes on tape, the more I love the guy. The more I read about him, the more I want him in Green & Gold. In the past two seasons, alone, he had 36 tackles behind the line of scrimmage, and another 26 1/2 sacks! We all love Matthews coming off the right edge. Well this guy has the same drive and instictive passion coming in from the other side. This guy with Clay would force opposing offenses to always leave a TE in to block on passing downs. Hughes is fluid enough and agile enough to be a solid cover-backer in space. At 255, he's bigger than Clay, but could still stand to gain a few more pounds. Is not great against the run, but it's not a weakness that can't be addressed. Is a 2-time consensus 1st-team All-American. Won the Ted Hendricks and Ronnie Lott Trophy's last year. Great character and work ethic. Clean. Perfect Ted Thompson guy. Some would say trade down and take him in the 30's. But there are some teams there (Jets, Colts for two) who would love to have him. Ted's not afraid to take his guy a few picks sooner than the mock nation has a guy.

Round 2, #56- OT JARED VELDHEER, Hillsdale; 6-8, 312
Everyone knows this guy is a perfect Ted Thompson O-line prospect. Much like we all expected Daryn Colledge and TJ Lang to become Packer picks, this is a guy we all would not be shocked to see called. He's risen up the boards and can no longer be expected to be sitting there at #86. Ted takes him here, and he is hopefully allowed a year to groom behind Clifton at LT. His level of competition wasn't the same, but his 40-time (5.09) was better than Okung, Bulaga, and Anthony Davis, and he's taller than those guys, kind of the same build as Jared Gaither.

Round 3, #86- CB PERRISH COX, Oklahoma St; 5-11, 195
From Scott: Supremely talented and possesses first round physical tools but isn't technically sound and intangibles are shaky --- Must keep his head on straight and get coached up a bit but has the ability to be a starter as well as a great return man in the NFL

Round 4, #122- S ROBERT JOHNSON, Utah; 6-2, 203
Was screwed over by the combine committee and not invited. Still, at his Pro Day aftewards, he performed as well as any safety did in Indy. Plus was productive on the field with over 150 career tackles and 13 career interceptions for the red Utes.

Round 5a, #154- DL KADE WESTON, Georgia; 6-5, 317
For a monster size, he ran an impressive sub 5.0 40. Has the skillset, and size, to rotate along the line in Capers defense for Trgovic. Not a pass rush guy, but is able to beat blockers and stuff running backs in the backfield. Had 16 tackles for loss the past 3 seasons in the tough SEC. Could be had a round or two later, probably. But Ted gets him when he can if he likes his guy.

Round 5b, #169- DL LORENZO WASHINGTON, Alabama; 6-4, 291
Nice size for the anchor DE 3-4 position in Dom's defense. The legal questions with Johnny Jolly, persistent injury issues to Harrell, and Cullen Jenkins contract situation looming means team needs to develop at least one more good D-lineman soon. Lorenzo had 6 sacks for the Tide.

Round 6, #193- CB SHERRICK McMANIS, Northwestern; 5-11, 195
Smart player, clean off the field. Had over 200 tackles and 9 Ints in career for Northwestern. His size and speed compare almost identically to higher-rated Perrish Cox and Dominique Franks of Oklahoma. Great value here.

Round 7, #230- KR/WR LeROY VANN, Florida A&M; 5-8 1/2, 178
Dexter McCluster-like size & speed, but even more electrifying. In the past 2 seasons, Vann took 3 kicks and 8 punts, yes 8, back to the house. That's 11 TDs via special teams the past 2 years.

Bibby10
04-19-2010, 05:10 PM
I think we are going to go with a OLB/DE twinner with our first pick. Teams now know about Clay and are going to focus on him. The Packers want the D to be the staple of their team, and with a 3-4 you need fast quick LBs, so I really feel that we are going to go that direction. Besides if we take a OT with our first pick, he is not going to get much playing time at all this year. IMO it think our 1st 3 picks are 1) OLD/DE 2) OT 3) S

J-Mike88
04-19-2010, 09:07 PM
I think there has to be a CB in round 2 or 3 though.
If not, then that means they really have high and sure expectations of Pat Lee and Brandon Underwood. Which I find as smart as last year's high expectations in Barbre as the RT and Colledge as the LT.

Sometimes, hope overshadows reality. With TT uncharacteristically giving the nice money now to Clifton AND Tauscher, I think it's safe to say a lesson was learned last year.

GB12
04-20-2010, 09:28 PM
Here is my Packers mock. It was written for an audience that is less knowledgeable about the draft than you guys, so there may be parts that very basic.



Packers Mock Draft

First Round: Pick #23

There are many different ways the Packers could go with their first round pick. Cornerback, offensive tackle, outside linebacker, or perhaps even safety could be the pick at 23. Of course there’s always the possibility of trading down as well. Each scenario could bring a talented player and improve the team, but which is the best choice.

With both starters being over 33 years old, cornerback is most definitely an option. It kind of has been for the past couple of years actually. In 2008 a second round pick was spent to address the position, but Pat Lee has been put on injured reserve each of his two years in the league, so that has yet to be of any help. Another thing to keep in mind is that Al Harris will be coming back from an ACL injury. There’s no guarantee that he’ll be ready for the start of the season. In fact depending on how the rehab goes he might have to be placed on the physically unable to perform list, which would make him ineligible to play in the first six games.

Not only do future starters need to be found, but the depth needs to be improved. The lack of quality depth was exposed and exploited in the Pittsburgh game and then again in the playoff game against the Cardinals. Tramon Williams is a good player and can be one of the future starters, but after that there is nothing. Lee is always injured, the same can be said for Will Blackmon, Jarrett Bush may be the worst player on the 53 man roster, and Josh Bell is just a street free agent. Brandon Underwood is on the right track to being a good player, but he’s still very unproven and is probably a nickelback at best.

A top talent needs to be brought in at this position and there are some good players in this cornerback class to choose from. The top corner is this class is Joe Haden, but he could go as early as 7th to the Browns and stands no chance to make it to 23. The next tier includes Kyle Wilson, Devin McCourty, Kareem Jackson, and Patrick Robinson, all of which could and likely will be available at 23. Kyle Wilson is commonly thought to be the best after Haden, but Kareem Jackson should be the Packers choice between those four, although 23 might be a bit high for him. He is a physical corner that can play bump and run, and also succeed in zone. He’d fit nicely with the Packers and Dom Capers’ 3-4 scheme.

Similarly to cornerback offensive tackle is a position with aging starters and a lack of depth. Both Chad Clifton and Mark Tauscher were re-signed, but their best years are far behind them. Tauscher was a vast improvement from Allen Barbre when he came back last season, but he was still a liability on the right side. If a quality NFL ready tackle is drafted Tauscher won’t have a starting job in 2010

There had previously been some hope that Daryn Colledge could be the future left tackle once Clifton retires, but after a poor season including an awful showing in some time at left tackle that’s not going to be an option anymore. TJ Lang looked pretty good as a rookie and is said to be getting a shot at right tackle this year, but his best position will be left guard. Even if Lang takes the right tackle job someone will still be need to be drafted as the future on the left side.

This is a good draft to get that LT in considering there are six first round caliber tackles. The first half of those (Russell Okung, Brian Bulaga, and Trent Williams) will be long gone, but the second half still has quality players. Anthony Davis from Rutgers would be the top realistic choice, but he’s almost in that first group and stands a very slim chance at being available to the Packers. The other two are Bruce Campbell and Charles Brown. Campbell is an athletic freak with unlimited potential, but there are some technique issues and big character concerns. He’s a real risk, but if he pans out it’s going to be a huge reward. There’s talk he could go as early as eighth to the Raiders since Al Davis loves the workout warriors as shown by drafting Campbell’s former Maryland teammate Darius Heyward-Bey seventh overall last year. However there’s just as good of a chance that he could slip out of the first round because of the bust factor. Brown is also a risk-reward type pick, but nowhere to the extent of Campbell.

When considering outside linebacker it basically comes down to how much the team values the position. A 3-4 Defense can succeed as long as it has one great pass rushing outside linebacker. That was already found last year in Clay Matthews. The other one needs to be able to rush the passer at times, but he doesn’t necessarily have to be great at it. Obviously the ideal situation would be to have two guys like Matthews, but the team needs to decide if it is worth passing on other needs for that.
When Aaron Kampman went down for the season Brad Jones stepped in and did a solid job. He arguably played better than Kampman last season and is definitely a better fit for the scheme. However Jones is just solid, not great, and he doesn’t appear to have to potential to reach great. Jones could start next year and the defense would succeed, but adding another high quality player at outside linebacker could take the defense to the next level.
In the first round of the draft that player could be Sergio Kindle, Brandon Graham or Jerry Hughes. With Atlanta, Cincinnati, and New England all in the market for edge rushers and holding three of the four picks directly in front of the Packers one or two of these choices will likely be snatched up just before Green Bay gets a chance. Kindle is the best of the three and would be hard to pass on should he be available, but being the best means he almost certainly won’t be. It’s hard to choose between Graham and Hughes. Graham is more highly rated, but Hughes is a better fit for the 3-4 scheme and specifically the Packers. Graham might be best off staying at defensive end. He’s drawn comparisons to fellow Michigan alum LaMarr Woodley, and he can match the pass rushing, but the other aspects of a 3-4 linebacker are a concern. Hughes was a defensive end in college as well so he too has some of those concerns, but he’s more athletic and should be able to adjust to the position switch easier. Hughes has a great ability to get to the quarterback and racked up 26.5 sacks in his final two years at TCU.

Safety is easily the lowest need of the positions mentioned, but it could be a possibility this year. Nick Collins has already been to multiple pro bowls and just signed a three year extension this offseason so free safety is set for a while. Strong safety on the other hand is not quite as set.
Atari Bigby looked like a promising player that could turn into a star back in 2006. Since then he’s started only 17 of 32 games due to injuries. When he is healthy he’s a decent starter but still replaceable.
The real reason safety is even an option is because there’s a good chance to get a really talented safety at 23 in Taylor Mays from USC. He is just too physically gifted to not take a look at. With a 4.43 40 yard dash time he is faster than most cornerbacks and at 230lbs he’s as big as some linebackers. That combination of size and speed can make him a top safety in the NFL if he ever puts it all together. He’s been sliding down the draft boards a bit because as of right now he’s more of just a great athlete than a great football player and some think that’s all he’ll ever be. Nonetheless he’s someone to consider based on the measurables alone. The different ways that Capers could use a player like Taylor Mays is mind-boggling.

Trading down could definitely be an option, but obviously it depends on who’s available at 23. With a contending team like the Packers normally it makes sense to take the most talented player rather than trade down to add extra picks. This year however the talent difference between 23 and say 30 is not that great. According to the trade value chart the 23rd pick would be equal to the 30th pick and the 90th pick. Moving down to pick up a late 3rd could very well end up being worth it.

Some players mentioned earlier could even have a chance at being available at 30. Kareem Jackson, Devin McCourty, Patrick Robinson, Bruce Campbell, Charles Brown, and Jerry Hughes could possibly be there with one or two of the corners being almost definite. Other players to consider if a trade to around 30 were to happen would be running back Jahvid Best and offensive tackle Rodger Saffold.


With the 23rd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select…

…Charles Brown, offensive tackle out of USC


After considering all the options offensive tackle gets the nod with Charles Brown. It was made evident from the first game of the 2009 season that the offensive line and more specifically the tackles needed to be upgraded. The franchise quarterback is already in place, now he needs to be protected. Charles Brown probably won’t be ready from day one, but he can eventually become a top tackle.

Brown is on the light side for a tackle at 303lbs, but he’s 6’5” and has a big frame that he can add more weight to. That’s something that can be fixed easily with some time spent in an NFL weight room. He’s already put on 50 pounds since coming to USC so another 10 to 15 shouldn’t be too hard.

The zone blocking scheme should be an excellent fit for Brown. He’s very athletic and he’s quick for a big guy. He has good footwork, but could use some coaching in other technique aspects.
Charles Brown won’t bring a lot to the run game, but he is a great pass protector and that’s really what the Packers need. Because of that he fits the profile for the left side perfectly, which is great, but it also means he doesn’t project to the right side too well. If he could play the right side he could start as a rookie over Tauscher, since he can’t he’ll likely have to wait until 2011 where he’ll take over for Clifton.


Second Round: Pick #56

With offensive tackle taken care of, the second round is the chance to look at outside linebacker and cornerback. It’s also possible to go a completely different direction. This draft’s late first round through the second round is what makes it shine. There are elite prospects Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy at the top, but the rest of the top ten and then through the top twenty doesn’t stack up with years past. 21 through about 45 on the other hand is loaded relative to the prospects usually seen in that range. Finishing out the second round to early third round is still looking very good. Because of this it’d also make sense to grab the most talented player possible even if it’s not at a position of great need.

The most immediate impact in the second round would come from an outside linebacker. It is a noticeable difference between the first and second round outside linebackers, but there’s not a huge gap. There are potential week one starters at the position that can be had in the second round. Koa Misi, Eric Norwood, and Ricky Sapp fit that bill. Misi and Sapp were defensive ends in college while Norwood played linebacker in an even front. None have much if any experience in the 3-4, but all project best as 3-4 outside linebackers in the pros opposed to their college positions. Misi climbed draft boards after an impressive combine, and has a ton of upside. Norwood isn’t flashy, but he was a three year starter in the SEC with excellent production. Sapp didn’t put up big sack numbers in college, but he can jet across the line of scrimmage. A switch to the 3-4 could greatly benefit Sapp and some good coaching could mold him into a sack artist. Any one of these three would bring more of a pass rush than Brad Jones and Brady Poppinga. Whether it’d come as a full time starter or a situational player the defense would be upgraded if this is the direction in round two.

When it comes to second round cornerbacks there are three players that should appeal to the Packers: Perish Cox, Jerome Murphy, and Brandon Ghee. All come in at roughly the same height and weight at about 5’11.5” and 195lbs, which is good size for a corner. Brandon Ghee has the highest potential, but his lack of big time success at the collegiate level is concerning. Murphy and Cox on the other hand had good NCAA careers, but both have some character concerns. All three have similar styles of play, being they’re all physical corners, can play man and zone coverages, and are inconsistent. Cox is the most NFL ready so that could give him an edge. The potential of Ghee could be too attractive to pass up though. Murphy fits somewhere in between those two, but he also has the ability to play safety which is a nice bonus.

The best player available strategy is a concept that general manager Ted Thompson is quite familiar with. Going with this option will bring in a talented player, but it might not be at a position of need. Wide receiver Brandon Lafell, inside linebacker Brandon Spikes, defensive end Corey Wooten, running back/receiver/return specialist Dexter McCluster, or running back Toby Gerhart could be the pick if this route is taken. Lafell is a good route runner and can get yards after the catch, which is exactly what Thompson looks for in his receivers. The Packers have a very good group of receivers but other than Jennings none of them have potential to be a big time receiver in the NFL, Lafell would add that. At one point Brandon Spikes looked like a first round lock. His stock has since dropped, but he’s an ideal fit as a run stuffing 3-4 inside backer. Wooten played his senior year coming back from an ACL season and his play suffered because of it. He’s a talented and athletic big man who would project to a 5-technique in a 3-4, but his best fit might be as a 4-3 end. McCluster is kind of in the Reggie Bush mold in that he can line up at running back, receiver, and as a returner. He’s very small for the NFL, but he has great agility and plays faster than he timed. He could add a new dimension to the offense as a dangerous receiver out of the backfield. Gerhart would finally give the Packers a real #2 back to pair with Grant. Brandon Jackson has turned into a good third down back, but he’s not much of a threat carrying the ball. Gerhart has a nose for the end zone and would undoubtedly be a big upgrade over fullback John Kuhn as the short yardage back.


With the 56th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Green Bay Packers select…

…Eric Norwood, Outside Linebacker out of South Carolina


At just under 6’1” and 245lbs Eric Norwood is a bit smaller than a prototypical outside linebacker. However those measurements match up extremely close to those of Steelers linebacker and former defensive player of the year James Harrison, who Norwood has been compared to. Like Harrison, Norwood is able to use his lack of height to get an advantage in leverage. That leverage advantage is a key to beating lineman in the NFL.

Norwood was often sent on blitzes in college and had great success doing it. His 29 career sacks at South Carolina is a school record. These sacks came from a stand up position too. Most 3-4 outside linebackers are converted defensive ends who have to learn to pass rush from a completely new stance, which can be a difficult change to make. The Packers saw that first hand last season with Aaron Kampman. As a 4-3 end Kampman was an outstanding pass rusher, but he struggled to do it from a two point stance. Norwood will still have to adjust what he did in college to a 3-4 linebacker since it still has its differences, but he shouldn’t have as hard of a time transitioning

Being a college linebacker, Norwood also has experience in coverage. Now, he wasn’t too good as a cover man, but the experience will still help nonetheless. He won’t be given too many coverage responsibilities anyway. He can be subbed out in passing situations in the base defense and can line up with his hand down to rush the passer in multiple defensive back sets.

First round pick Charles Brown won’t contribute as a rookie, but Norwood would bring immediate impact. He has what it takes to be the week one starter, but at the worst he’d still help as a situational pass rusher. Whether it’s Norwood as the full time starter or some combination of Norwood with Brad Jones and/or Brady Poppinga the defense would be improved with this pick.



Third Round: Pick #86

Filling two needs right away really opens up the rest of the draft. It would still make sense to satisfy that final big need with a cornerback, but it’s not as urgent now. It’s all about looking into the future; even during this year’s draft it’s not too early to be thinking about the 2011 draft. With the addition of Norwood outside linebacker should not be a need at all in 2011. Charles Brown fills the left tackle need, and while a right tackle might still be needed next year it won’t be a first round need. Even if a corner is taken in 2010 getting a top young talent in the secondary could be a priority next year. So really it’s all about value now.

Now coincidently, some of the best value might actually be at cornerback anyway. Amari Spievey, Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, and Myron Lewis should be of the most interest to the Packers out of the predicted available cornerbacks. Spievey isn’t the fastest corner, but he’s strong and physical. He’s got good range and should excel in zone coverage. Owusu-Ansah has both good speed and great size. Unlike every other corner mentioned for rounds 1-3 he’s not a physical player at all. His cover skills make him very attractive despite that. Going right back to physical corners there’s Myron Lewis. He fits that part so well he might be drafted as a safety, but he could work in Dom Capers’ defense as a corner.

Adding a second tackle, although not likely, wouldn’t be a bad way to go. Getting a young player as replacements for each Clifton and Tauscher right now could have them ready to start next season. Of course there are some young potential replacements on the roster right now, but someone better might be found in the draft and competition is always good. It’ll depend on how much faith the coaches have in Allen Barbre and Breno Giacomini. Ideally Jason Fox drops hear, but chances of that aren’t good. He’ll probably go late second round. If a position other than tackle is taken in the first round the Packers should be the ones to take him in the second. Realistically the best option here would be Selvish Capers. Not only did he play right tackle in college, which is what Green Bay would be looking to fill here, but he was protecting his quarterback’s blindside at the same time with Pat White being left handed. This could do wonders in pass protection. Capers is an ideal fit for the zone blocking scheme too.

Safety depth could be explored here in the third round. Derrick Martin and Jarrett Bush aren’t the best insurance and with Atari Bigby being injured so often having someone that can step in would be nice. Reshad Jones and Larry Asante are safeties worth checking out. They are kind of similar players with Jones being a little better. They have decent size, are good in run support and can struggle if matched up one on one. Either would provide better depth than is currently on the roster and maybe challenge Bigby for a starting spot some day.

Arthur Jones from Syracuse could make a good five technique and could be considered here. He played defensive tackle in college, but could slide over to end in a 3-4. He’s quick for a big man and explosive off the line. Six defensive lineman are usually on the roster for a 3-4, and right now there are four locks (Cullen Jenkins, Ryan Pickett, Johnny Jolly, BJ Raji), one extremely likely (Jarius Wynn), and one great unknown (Justin Harrell). The organization still has high hopes for Harrell, but he can’t be counted on. Drafting another lineman would give a better chance of having 6 quality guys. If both Harrell and the draft pick turn out an exception could be made to keep 7 if it came to that.

Adding a complimentary back for Grant could be done here with Joe Mcknight. A big play threat has been missing from the backfield since Mike McCarthy took over as head coach. Grant busts a big run every once in a while, but a speed back that can take it to the house from 60 yards out would help to balance out the offense. McKnight is a smaller running back with good agility and elusiveness. He also has great vision which is needed for the zone blocking scheme. He wouldn’t be able to carry the load by himself, but that’s what Grant is for. McKnight could get a couple carries a game and hopefully be able to show off his break away speed.


With the 86th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Green Bay Packers select…

….Akwasi Owusu-Ansah, Cornerback, out of Indiana University of Pennsylvania


Yep, that’s right, Indiana University of Pennsylvania. It’s a Division II school 55 miles northeast of Pittsburgh. Ted Thompson has never been afraid of drafting small school guys. 18 of his 51 draft picks have been from non-BCS conferences. He’s even drafted a couple Division II players in the past with Allen Barbre and Dave Tollefson.

Being from a Division II school, Owusu-Ansah hasn’t faced great competition so that makes it kind of hard to gauge how good he really is. The jump from the receivers he faced in college to the ones he’ll face in the NFL is huge. Lining up against Calvin Johnson would be quite a shock for someone who’s used to playing against Southern Connecticut State, Slippery Rock, and Mercyhurst. It could take him a while to make that adjustment to the pro game.

Other than that he checks out pretty well. His size and build are very good for a corner and he has the speed and agility to move with it. He’s able to cover a lot of ground in the secondary. In 2008 he showed off his play making ability by picking off 8 passes. As displayed in that stat he plays aggressively and is aware of what’s going on around him. As a bonus he’s also a very good returner, averaging almost 26 yards per kick return and 11 per punt return.



Fourth Round: Pick #122


Now in the second half of the draft the talent has really thinned out. That doesn’t mean that good players can’t be found though. Six of Thompson’s eight fourth round picks are still on the roster. Four of those (TJ Lang, Josh Sitton, Allen Barbre, Brady Poppinga) have been a starter at some point in their career. That’s some encouraging history for this pick.

Defensive lineman Torrell Troup, tight end Garrett Graham, cornerback Kevin Thomas, safety Darrell Stuckey, safety Kam Chancellor, and running back LeGarrette Blount are some players that could be the pick at 122. Troup is a short and wide lineman that fit in as a nose tackle in the 3-4. He’d battle with Harrell for that 6th line spot. Garrett Graham is the receiving type tight end that the Packers like and would be the best available at his position. JerMichael Finley is heading towards stardom, but Donald Lee has become replaceable. Kevin Thomas would add competition and depth to the secondary. He’s an athletic corner with a lot of upside, but needs to develop yet. Stuckey and Chancellor would do the same at safety as Thomas would at corner. The two safeties are contrasting in styles. Chancellor is a big, 230lb, more in the box type of safety; Stuckey is more balanced and better in coverage. LeGarrette Blount is a long shot based on his history of trouble, and how the Packers like high character guys. His on the field ability may be enough to take a chance on him with a fourth round pick. He’s a big and powerful back that could really help out on the goal line and with short yardage. In 2008 he scored 17 touchdowns, all on the ground.


With the 122nd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Green Bay Packers select…

…Torrell Troup, Defensive Lineman out of Central Florida


While nose tackle isn’t really a need with Ryan Pickett and BJ Raji at the position already, it is a premium position that is hard to find. It’s not often that a decent nose tackle prospect is available in the fourth round, so when there is it makes sense to take him. Troup could take some time to develop on the bench and then eventually be in a rotation with Raji once Pickett loses his effectiveness.

Troup is a true nose tackle in that the sole reason he’s there is to take double teams. He’s a great run stuffer that can handle multiple blockers. He’s not going to give anything in terms of rushing the passer, but that’s ok. He’s able to use his lack of height to get leverage on the offensive lineman and prevent them from moving him.


Fifth Round: Picks #154 and #169

After the fourth round it starts to become a crapshoot. This is the place to take a chance on those high potential players that also have a high bust factor. If they don’t turn out it’s not much of a loss, so they’re worth a shot. The Packers have two picks this round as they received 169 as a comp pick.

Players to look for in this round are wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders, offensive tackle Sam Young, outside linebacker O’Brien Schofield, inside linebacker Phillip Dillard, quarterback Jevan Snead, safety Darian Stewart, and running back Trindon Holliday. Sanders is one of the fastest receivers in the draft and has performed at a high level in college. Sam Young is a big right tackle that would help improve the run game. Schofield is an outstanding pass rusher who would have gone higher if not for an injury. Philip Dillard is a bigger linebacker that could be a thumper inside a 3-4. Snead disappointed as a college passer, but could be better in the pros. Stewart is a decent sized safety with good speed who could potentially play either safety position. Trindon Holliday has a blazing 4.34 40 yard dash and would be drafted solely for his ability as a return man.


With the 154th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Green Bay Packers select…

…O’Brien Schofield, Outside Linebacker out of Wisconsin


Hometown boy O’Brien Schofield is a prime example of a high risk high reward player. He was impressive during the senior bowl practices and was rising up draft boards. It was looking as if he had a legit shot at being a second round pick. He then blew out his ACL and now he finds himself here in the fifth.

Schofield’s ability as a pass rusher makes him a good prospect as a 3-4 outside linebacker. He played some linebacker at senior bowl practices prior to the injury and seemed to be making a natural transition. He’ll still have a lot to learn, but it should be something he’s capable of doing successfully.

As a rookie Schofield will likely be placed on injured reserve to allow him to fully recover from his injury. It would be used almost as a redshirt year. He could learn the responsibilities and concepts as the new position as he sits his first year and then come back strong in 2011.


With the 169th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Green Bay Packers select…

…Emmanuel Sanders, Wide Receiver out of Southern Methodist


Sanders fits what the Packers want in a receiver pretty well. He has polished route running and can get separation. He’s also good at getting yards after the catch. At 186lbs he’s a bit undersized, but his height is decent at almost 5’11”. His 4.41 40 yard dash time would make him the fastest receiver on the team.

The Packers are pretty well set at the receiver position, but that hasn’t stopped Ted Thompson from drafting more in the past. Last year was the first year he didn’t draft a wide receiver. Every other year he has taken two. Sanders could be brought in to compete with Swain for the 5th wide receiver spot. If he doesn’t get it he’d hopefully pass through waivers so he could be kept on the practice squad.


Sixth Round: Pick #192

Cornerback Nolan Carroll, cornerback AJ Jefferson, inside linebacker Micah Johnson, quarterback Mike Kafka, and center Jeff Byers are potential 6th round picks for the Packers. Carroll is a very athletic corner with top speed, but hasn’t put it all together. Jefferson is fast and is good in press coverage. Micah Johnson is a 258lb inside linebacker that could plug up running lanes in the middle of the defense. Kafka is a project quarterback. Byers is a zone blocking fit that can play center or guard.


With the 192nd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Green Bay Packers select…

…Mike Kafka, Quarterback out of Northwestern


Matt Flynn outplayed former second round pick Brian Brohm to take the backup job, but he hasn’t been overly impressive. Flynn has probably maxed out his potential already and will be a career backup. Adding a developmental quarterback such as Kafka would be a good move.

Kafka wasn’t a fulltime starter until his senior year at Northwestern. He threw for 16 touchdowns with 12 interceptions, but then he also had 8 touchdowns rushing. The athleticism and mobility he has at the quarterback position is intriguing. It’s not like he’s a bad passer either. He doesn’t have too strong of an arm, but he’s very accurate. Given a few years McCarthy might be able to unlock Kafka’s potential and maybe trade him off for a nice haul a la Matt Schaub.


Seventh Round: Pick #230

With the final pick defensive lineman Boo Robinson, cornerback Walter McFadden, punter Zoltan Mesko, and safety Nick Polk could be the choice. Robinson would be looked to be moved from a 4-3 defensive tackle to a 3-4 end. McFadden is a high speed corner, Mesko was a successful college punter, and Polk is a balanced safety.


With the 230th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft the Green Bay Packers select…

…Zoltan Mesko, Punter out of Michigan


Since the Packers let Josh Bidwell walk in free agency the punting situation has not been good. Jon Ryan was solid for a while, but then they got rid of him. Currently there is no punter on the roster with NFL experience. It’s time to solve this problem.

Mesko has a powerful leg and had an average of 44.5 his senior year. He’s also able to pin it inside the 20. Unlike most punters Mesko is a good athlete. He ran a 4.75 40 and put up 16 bench reps at the combine.

jackalope
04-20-2010, 10:04 PM
I also wrote a watered-down predraft writeup, and oddly enough had four of the same picks in my GB mock (Brown, Akwasi, Schofield, Kafka).

J-Mike88
04-21-2010, 05:54 PM
I saw a f***** mock in me Sporting News Magazine a week ago that had use drafting the punter Zoltan Mesko. In the third f***** round!
WTF? Do they think Mike Sherman is back in the war room, trading up for BJ Sander?

J-Mike88
04-22-2010, 10:38 AM
B I N G O

Both Rick Gosselin & Bob McGinn's Final First Round Mocks have the Packers taking the guy that I want: JERRY HUUUUUUGHESZZZZZZZZ.

God, please let the Goose and McGinn be right this time. They are both usually very accurate compared to most.

I'm not holding my breath though.
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/042210dnspogoosemock.3cacf47.html

23. GREEN BAY PACKERS
Jerry Hughes, Outside linebacker, TCU
Dom Capers would like to give the Packers a version of the Blitzburgh scheme he ran in Pittsburgh in the 1990s. He has one elite pass rusher in Clay Matthews, and Hughes would give Capers pressure from the other side.


From McGinn:
23. GREEN BAY PACKERS: Jerry Hughes, OLB, Texas Christian
The best way to defend the pass is to rush the passer, which is Hughes' calling card. Just don't rule out a venture upward if Pouncey, Bulaga or Davis slide within range.