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Babylon
01-16-2010, 01:59 PM
Now that the dust has settled. There still is some talent coming back. Fell free to comment:

1. Jake Locker
2. Patrick Peterson
3. Julio Jones
3a. AJ Green
4. Ryan Mallett
5. Michael Floyd
6. Gabe Carimi
7. Cameron Heyward
8. Greg Romeus
9. Mark Ingram
10. Mark Herzlich
11. Daquan Bowers
12. Clint Boling

ThePudge
01-16-2010, 02:49 PM
How far behind Jones and Floyd would you say A.J. Green is?

stephenson86
01-16-2010, 02:50 PM
i think green isnt too far behind and has the chance to have an uber year personally

DaBrowns41
01-16-2010, 02:53 PM
Patrick Peterson is one of my favorite players, currently. I think he's got a surplus of talent playing CB.

superman8456
01-16-2010, 02:54 PM
Daquan Bowers hasn't really lived up to his billing coming out of highschool. Next season is pretty important for him.

You also have Ahmad Black and Janoris Jenkins.

CashmoneyDrew
01-16-2010, 02:57 PM
Robert Griffin will be kind of a big name to watch as well.

ThePudge
01-16-2010, 03:06 PM
i think green isnt too far behind and has the chance to have an uber year personally

I agree. Personally, I think A.J. Green is a special player and not too far behind Jones and perhaps Floyd. I'd probably have... I would imagine that will change plenty, but it's an initial look.

1. Ryan Mallett
2. Jake Locker
3. Julio Jones
4. Robert Quinn
5. Cameron Heyward
6. Patrick Peterson
7. A.J. Green
8. Gabe Carmini
9. Michael Floyd
10. Greg Romeus
11. Mark Ingram
12. Ryan Williams

Whistler6
01-16-2010, 03:07 PM
Ryan Mallet went from being completely miscast at Michigan to one of the up and comers in all of college football...I think he has tremendous potential and will be a solid 1st round pick when he comes out. I'm a WI fan, but he's fun to watch down at Arkansas.

brasho
01-16-2010, 03:15 PM
I'm not sure if Ryan Williams is eligible next season, but Ingram is...not that I believe in taking RBs in the top 20 unless they are absolutely exceptional.

Ras-I Dowling should be in there. His play will improve with a better coach and scheme.

ThePudge
01-16-2010, 03:17 PM
I'm not sure if Ryan Williams is eligible next season, but Ingram is...not that I believe in taking RBs in the top 20 unless they are absolutely exceptional.

Ras-I Dowling should be in there. His play will improve with a better coach and scheme.

Williams will be a RS Sophomore next season. If he has the type of year he did this past one, he could go very highly on draft day.

Scott Wright
01-16-2010, 03:23 PM
A.J. Green should be #1 or #2 on that list.

brasho
01-16-2010, 03:26 PM
Williams will be a RS Sophomore next season. If he has the type of year he did this past one, he could go very highly on draft day.

Ok, I couldn't remember if he was RS Fresh or true... I guess I'm thinking of Dion Davis of Pitt.

Being he's a RB he has no reason to stay in college unless he wants his degree.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-16-2010, 03:32 PM
1.WR A.J. Green, Georgia (Jr.)  
2.CB Patrick Peterson, LSU (Jr.)
3.CB Aaron Williams, Texas (Jr.)    
4.QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (Jr.) 
5.FS Rahim Moore, UCLA (Jr.)
6.WR Jonathan Baldwin, Pitt (Jr.)
7.QB Andrew Luck, Stanford (3rd year Soph.)
8.OLB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma (Jr.)
9.QB Jake Locker, Washington
10.WR Julio Jones, Alabama (Jr.)
11.DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina (Jr.) 
12.DT Marvin Austin, North Carolina
12b.RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech(rs soph)
13.SS Mark Barron, Alabama (Jr.)
14.OG Rodney Hudson, Florida State 
15.OLB Nigel Bradham, Florida State(Jr.)
16.OLB Bruce Carter, North Carolina    
17. ILB Greg Jones, Michigan State.        
18.FS Will Hill, Florida (Jr.)  
19.OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin              
20.WR Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma (Jr.)
21.WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame (Jr.)
22.QB Jerrod Johnson, Texas A&M
23.CB  Brandon Harris, Miami (Jr.)          
24.SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson
25.FS Deunta Williams, North Carolina
26.TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame (Jr.) 
27.OT Matt Reynolds, BYU (Jr.)  
28.OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M.             
29.OT  Blake DeChristopher, Virginia Tech
30.RB John Clay, Wisconsin (Jr.) 
31.DE Greg Romeus, Pitt
32.OG Mike Pouncey, Florida
33.RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma 
34.OT Antony Castonzo, Boston College
35.Qb Blaine Gabbert, Missouri (Jr.) 
36.DE Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson (Jr.)    
37.WR DeAndre Brown, Southern Miss (Jr.)     
38.QB Christian Ponder, Florida State 
39.OG Justin Boren, Ohio State

wicket
01-16-2010, 03:33 PM
A.J. Green should be #1 or #2 on that list.

3 imo, behind locker and peterson. PP is the best corner go pro in like 5 years imo and locker is physically as gifted as any qb in the league and has a good head on his shoulders to boot.

JRTPlaya21
01-16-2010, 03:33 PM
Ryan Williams love makes me very happy! And I'm also a major A.J. Green homer as well.

JRTPlaya21
01-16-2010, 03:34 PM
Ru belongs in that top 40. :).

Babylon
01-16-2010, 03:35 PM
How far behind Jones and Floyd would you say A.J. Green is?

Not sure what you mean?:)

Mr.KnowItAll
01-16-2010, 03:36 PM
A.J. Green should be #1 or #2 on that list.

You sir are correct.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-16-2010, 03:43 PM
If some of these underclassmen come out talent wise this could be the best WR and QB class that there has been.

Cicero
01-16-2010, 03:58 PM
Patrick Peterson is one of my favorite players, currently. I think he's got a surplus of talent playing CB.

Patrick Peterson is unreal. In the thee years that I've seriously followed college football he's the best CB prospect I've seen by far.

billsfootball15
01-16-2010, 04:16 PM
1.WR A.J. Green, Georgia (Jr.)  
2.CB Patrick Peterson, LSU (Jr.)
3.CB Aaron Williams, Texas (Jr.)    
4.QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (Jr.) 
5.FS Rahim Moore, UCLA (Jr.)
6.WR Jonathan Baldwin, Pitt (Jr.)
7.QB Andrew Luck, Stanford (3rd year Soph.)
8.OLB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma (Jr.)
9.QB Jake Locker, Washington
10.WR Julio Jones, Alabama (Jr.)
11.DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina (Jr.) 
12.DT Marvin Austin, North Carolina
12b.RB Ryan Williams, Virginia Tech(rs soph)
13.SS Mark Barron, Alabama (Jr.)
14.OG Rodney Hudson, Florida State 
15.OLB Nigel Bradham, Florida State(Jr.)
16.OLB Bruce Carter, North Carolina    
17. ILB Greg Jones, Michigan State.        
18.FS Will Hill, Florida (Jr.)  
19.OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin              
20.WR Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma (Jr.)
21.WR Michael Floyd, Notre Dame (Jr.)
22.QB Jerrod Johnson, Texas A&M
23.CB  Brandon Harris, Miami (Jr.)          
24.SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson
25.FS Deunta Williams, North Carolina
26.TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame (Jr.) 
27.OT Matt Reynolds, BYU (Jr.)  
28.OLB Von Miller, Texas A&M.             
29.OT  Blake DeChristopher, Virginia Tech
30.RB John Clay, Wisconsin (Jr.) 
31.DE Greg Romeus, Pitt
32.OG Mike Pouncey, Florida
33.RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma 
34.OT Antony Castonzo, Boston College
35.Qb Blaine Gabbert, Missouri (Jr.) 
36.DE Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson (Jr.)    
37.WR DeAndre Brown, Southern Miss (Jr.)     
38.QB Christian Ponder, Florida State 
39.OG Justin Boren, Ohio State

Ras I Dowling, CB from Virginia should be somewhere on that list

superman8456
01-16-2010, 04:30 PM
Greg Romeus is going to be a top 5 pick next year.

thebow305
01-16-2010, 04:31 PM
Patrick Peterson is the real deal. I would be a much bigger fan if he didn't screw the U like he did. Him and Brandon Harris would have been ridiculous together. He still is a Top 5 talent for next year and easily the top cover corner available for 2011. Here's my Top 25 for 2011:

1. Jake Locker, Quarterback, Washington
2. Julio Jones, Wide Receiver, Alabama
3. Patrick Peterson, Cornerback, Louisiana State
4. A.J. Green, Wide Receiver, Georgia
5. Ryan Mallett, Quarterback, Arkansas
6. Allen Bailey, Defensive End/Tackle, Miami (Fla.)
7. Marvin Austin, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina
8. Rahim Moore, Safety, UCLA
9. DaQuan Bowers, Defensive End, Clemson
10. Robert Quinn, Defensive End, North Carolina
11. Mark Ingram, Running Back, Alabama
12. Cameron Heyward, Defensive End, Ohio State
13. Jonathan Baldwin, Wide Receiver, Pittsburgh
14. Greg Romeus, Defensive End, Pittsburgh
15. Joseph Barksdale, Offensive Tackle, Louisiana State
16. Gabe Carimi, Offensive Tackle, Wisconsin
17. DeMarco Murray, Running Back, Oklahoma
18. Michael Floyd, Wide Receiver, Notre Dame
19. Gabe Carimi, Offensive Tackle, Wisconsin
20. Ras-I Dowling, Cornerback, Virginia
21. Ryan Williams, Running Back, Virginia Tech
22. DeAndre Brown, Wide Receiver, Southern Mississippi
23. Bruce Carter, Linebacker, North Carolina
24. Martez Wilson, Linebacker, Illinois
25. Brandon Harris, Cornerback, Miami (Fla.)

Mr.KnowItAll
01-16-2010, 04:50 PM
I'm not a Ras-I Dowling fan. I question his speed and he really didn't have a good year. Aaron Williams, Patrick Peterson and Brandon Harris all have better talent and played better last year. You could even make a case that Rashad Carmichael, Curtis Brown, and Neiko Thorpe are better.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-16-2010, 05:07 PM
New rule if you don't have Aaron Williams in the top 15 of your list it will be discredited by all. He is the best DB prospect that Texas has had in the past 5 years. Better then Aaron Ross, Michael Huff, Cedric Griffin, and Earl Thomas. He is right behind Patrick Peterson who I think is a top 3 pick.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-16-2010, 05:15 PM
Patrick Peterson is the real deal. I would be a much bigger fan if he didn't screw the U like he did. Him and Brandon Harris would have been ridiculous together. He still is a Top 5 talent for next year and easily the top cover corner available for 2011. Here's my Top 25 for 2011:

1. Jake Locker, Quarterback, Washington
2. Julio Jones, Wide Receiver, Alabama
3. Patrick Peterson, Cornerback, Louisiana State
4. A.J. Green, Wide Receiver, Georgia
5. Ryan Mallett, Quarterback, Arkansas
6. Allen Bailey, Defensive End/Tackle, Miami (Fla.)
7. Marvin Austin, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina
8. Rahim Moore, Safety, UCLA
9. DaQuan Bowers, Defensive End, Clemson
10. Robert Quinn, Defensive End, North Carolina
11. Mark Ingram, Running Back, Alabama
12. Cameron Heyward, Defensive End, Ohio State
13. Jonathan Baldwin, Wide Receiver, Pittsburgh
14. Greg Romeus, Defensive End, Pittsburgh
15. Rahim Moore, Safety, UCLA
16. Joseph Barksdale, Offensive Tackle, Louisiana State
17. Gabe Carimi, Offensive Tackle, Wisconsin
18. DeMarco Murray, Running Back, Oklahoma
19. Michael Floyd, Wide Receiver, Notre Dame
20. Gabe Carimi, Offensive Tackle, Wisconsin
21. Ras-I Dowling, Cornerback, Virginia
22. Ryan Williams, Running Back, Virginia Tech
23. DeAndre Brown, Wide Receiver, Southern Mississippi
24. Bruce Carter, Linebacker, North Carolina
25. Martez Wilson, Linebacker, Illinois

I'm suprised that you don't have Brandon Harris in your list since you were talking about him at the begining of your post. He has top 25 talent and was a All-American this year as a Soph.

thebow305
01-16-2010, 05:18 PM
I'm suprised that you don't have Brandon Harris in your list since you were talking about him at the begining of your post. He has top 25 talent and was a All-American this year as a Soph.

Yeah, Brandon would probably be 26 or 27 on this list. I was back and forth between him and Dowling at the cornerback spot. He could easily be one of the top cornerbacks selected next year. I am very high on him, it's just that there is so much talent in next year's class right now.

Sniper
01-16-2010, 05:20 PM
1. Michael Floyd

/list.

JRTPlaya21
01-16-2010, 05:29 PM
Rahim Moore on there twice...

wonderbredd24
01-16-2010, 05:43 PM
I'm excited about Heyward, Austin, Bailey and Ballard. All 4 could end up playing 3-4 end in the pros

thebow305
01-16-2010, 05:44 PM
Rahim Moore on there twice...

Wow, you're right! I knew I messed up somewhere. Now BH is on the list.

As for Aaron Williams, didn't watch a ton of Texas this year. I will have to go back and look at some film and re-evaluate to see if he belongs in there.

marks01234
01-16-2010, 05:54 PM
I'm suprised to see Robert Quinn on some many lists. I think he is a good college player but don't think he is athletic enough to be a first round pick.

ericzedwards
01-16-2010, 05:57 PM
A.J. Green is ten times the receiver than Julio Jones is. They're both great prospects with very similar measureables, and Jones is much more physical and an athletic specimen. But no receiver in college football plays with the fluidity or body control that Green does or has Green's ability to go up for the ball at its highest point. Green is the next Larry Fitzgerald.

ToldLikeItIs
01-16-2010, 06:12 PM
Adrian Clayborn has a place in the top 15.

Tyfighter
01-16-2010, 06:12 PM
A.J. Green should be #1 or #2 on that list.

I definately agree. AJ Green is the best receiver ive seen since Fitzgerald.

bernbabybern820
01-16-2010, 06:18 PM
A.J. Green is ten times the receiver than Julio Jones is. They're both great prospects with very similar measureables, and Jones is much more physical and an athletic specimen. But no receiver in college football plays with the fluidity or body control that Green does or has Green's ability to go up for the ball at its highest point. Green is the next Larry Fitzgerald.

I would argue that Michael Floyd has a better ability of going up and ending up with a catch.

TitansCJftw
01-16-2010, 06:41 PM
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs017.snc3/12435_1292985572713_1472490064_30811476_541610_n.j pg http://wwwcache.wralsportsfan.com/assets/colleges/unc/2009/09/19/6037905/09_19_09_06_40_26pm_harris-576x432.jpg http://cdn.elev8.com/files//2009/06/monk-bowing-down.jpg :D

Cigaro
01-16-2010, 06:52 PM
Patrick Peterson is the real deal. I would be a much bigger fan if he didn't screw the U like he did. Him and Brandon Harris would have been ridiculous together. He still is a Top 5 talent for next year and easily the top cover corner available for 2011. Here's my Top 25 for 2011:

1. Jake Locker, Quarterback, Washington
2. Julio Jones, Wide Receiver, Alabama
3. Patrick Peterson, Cornerback, Louisiana State
4. A.J. Green, Wide Receiver, Georgia
5. Ryan Mallett, Quarterback, Arkansas
6. Allen Bailey, Defensive End/Tackle, Miami (Fla.)
7. Marvin Austin, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina
8. Rahim Moore, Safety, UCLA
9. DaQuan Bowers, Defensive End, Clemson
10. Robert Quinn, Defensive End, North Carolina
11. Mark Ingram, Running Back, Alabama
12. Cameron Heyward, Defensive End, Ohio State
13. Jonathan Baldwin, Wide Receiver, Pittsburgh
14. Greg Romeus, Defensive End, Pittsburgh
15. Joseph Barksdale, Offensive Tackle, Louisiana State
16. Gabe Carimi, Offensive Tackle, Wisconsin
17. DeMarco Murray, Running Back, Oklahoma
18. Michael Floyd, Wide Receiver, Notre Dame
19. Gabe Carimi, Offensive Tackle, Wisconsin
20. Ras-I Dowling, Cornerback, Virginia
21. Ryan Williams, Running Back, Virginia Tech
22. DeAndre Brown, Wide Receiver, Southern Mississippi
23. Bruce Carter, Linebacker, North Carolina
24. Martez Wilson, Linebacker, Illinois
25. Brandon Harris, Cornerback, Miami (Fla.)

IMO: A.J. Green should be higher, Marvin Austin a lot lower, Quinn easily above Bowers.

Babylon
01-16-2010, 06:59 PM
Adrian Clayborn has a place in the top 15.

He'd make my top 15 but i had to stop at 12.

Babylon
01-16-2010, 07:03 PM
I agree. Personally, I think A.J. Green is a special player and not too far behind Jones and perhaps Floyd. I'd probably have... I would imagine that will change plenty, but it's an initial look.

1. Ryan Mallett
2. Jake Locker
3. Julio Jones
4. Robert Quinn
5. Cameron Heyward
6. Patrick Peterson
7. A.J. Green
8. Gabe Carmini
9. Michael Floyd
10. Greg Romeus
11. Mark Ingram
12. Ryan Williams

Shameless plug

Sniper
01-16-2010, 07:20 PM
I definately agree. AJ Green is the best receiver ive seen since Fitzgerald.

A.J Green is the second-best receiver in his class.

JFLO
01-16-2010, 07:27 PM
Not trying to be a jerk here, but how is Mark Herzlich #10 on the OP list?

I mean, I'm pulling for the guy as much as the next person, but there is no way he is #10.

P-L
01-16-2010, 07:43 PM
A.J Green is the second-best receiver in his class.
Larry Fitzger... I mean, Michael Floyd is just ridiculous.

Sniper
01-16-2010, 07:49 PM
Larry Fitzger... I mean, Michael Floyd is just ridiculous.

Indeed he is. Just an absolute monster. I'm already prepared to give up 230 yards and 3 TD to him next season.

Halsey
01-16-2010, 08:13 PM
The one thing AJ Green needs to show next year is that he can stay healthy. He has struggled to stay healthy his first 2 years. That's what will determine whether he's an elite Larry Fitzgerald/Calvin Johnson level prospect or not.

Cigaro
01-16-2010, 08:31 PM
I'll put out a top ten;

1. Ryan Mallett
2. Jake Locker
3. Patrick Peterson
4. A.J. Green
5. Robert Quinn
6. Cameron Heyward
7. Gabe Carimi
8. Mark Ingram
9. Julio Jones
10. Aaron Williams

Babylon
01-16-2010, 08:46 PM
Not trying to be a jerk here, but how is Mark Herzlich #10 on the OP list?

I mean, I'm pulling for the guy as much as the next person, but there is no way he is #10.

He says he's 100% and is going to play next fall. If Mark Herzlich is healthy you dont think he's a top 10 player?

JFLO
01-16-2010, 08:53 PM
He says he's 100% and is going to play next fall. If Mark Herzlich is healthy you dont think he's a top 10 player?

There is a big difference when saying your a 100% and actually playing like you are 100%.

Also, not to mention the fact that he didn't play at all last season.

He's a solid 2nd-3rd round prospect at this point (if he truly is healthy), but definitely not a Top 10 type player.

All of this could obviously change come next April, but now is just too soon to be labeling him with that kind of magnitude.

JFLO
01-16-2010, 08:56 PM
BTW, here are my Top 25 Seniors for 2011, I'll come up with underclassmen later on.

2011 NFL Draft Big Board – Initial, January 15th 2010
1. Jake Locker Quarterback Washington
2. Gabe Carimi Offensive Tackle Wisconsin
3. Cameron Heyward Defensive End Ohio State
4. Marvin Austin Defensive Tackle North Carolina
5. Bruce Carter Outside Linebacker North Carolina
6. Greg Jones Inside Linebacker Michigan State
7. Joseph Barksdale Offensive Tackle Louisiana State
8. Greg Romeus Defensive End Pittsburgh
9. Allen Bailey Defensive Tackle Miami (FL)
10. Christian Ponder Quarterback Florida State
11. DeAndre McDaniel Safety Clemson
12. Cliff Matthews Defensive End South Carolina
13. Quan Sturdivant Inside Linebacker North Carolina
14. Ras-I Dowling Cornerback Virginia
15. Lawrence Marsh Defensive Tackle Florida
16. Greg Little Wide Receiver North Carolina
17. Jerrod Johnson Quarterback Texas A&M
18. Curtis Brown Cornerback Texas
19. Michael Morgan Outside Linebacker Southern California
20. Anthony Castonzo Offensive Tackle Boston College
21. Von Miller Outside Linebacker Texas A&M
22. Clint Boling Offensive Tackle Georgia
23. Deunta Williams Safety North Carolina
24. Josh Bynes Inside Linebacker Auburn
25. Terrence Tolliver Wide Receiver Louisiana State

SickwithIt1010
01-16-2010, 09:17 PM
Not sure what you mean?:)

well i believe that your "3a" is suppose to say A.J. Green, and not A.J. Jones....is that correct? or am i wrong?

SickwithIt1010
01-16-2010, 09:20 PM
Larry Fitzger... I mean, Michael Floyd is just ridiculous.

I have been using that comparison as well....Im a huge USC fan, and while it still breaks my heart that he didnt play for us, hes one of my favorite prospects.

FloridaSkinzFan
01-16-2010, 09:21 PM
Nobody else matters except Noel Devine.

murdamal86
01-16-2010, 09:48 PM
A.J. Green is ten times the receiver than Julio Jones is. They're both great prospects with very similar measureables, and Jones is much more physical and an athletic specimen. But no receiver in college football plays with the fluidity or body control that Green does or has Green's ability to go up for the ball at its highest point. Green is the next Larry Fitzgerald.

QFT!!!!!!!!!

Sniper
01-16-2010, 09:50 PM
But no receiver in college football plays with the fluidity or body control that Green does or has Green's ability to go up for the ball at its highest point.

http://thepublicgoods.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/floyd1.jpg

> A.J Green.

murdamal86
01-16-2010, 09:51 PM
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs017.snc3/12435_1292985572713_1472490064_30811476_541610_n.j pg http://cdn.elev8.com/files//2009/06/monk-bowing-down.jpg :D

I think Harris is going to be pure sex in the NFL. He's so darn fluid and effortless it's ridiculous. I'm on the bandwagon

phlysac
01-16-2010, 11:49 PM
Ok, I couldn't remember if he was RS Fresh or true... I guess I'm thinking of Dion Davis of Pitt.

Being he's a RB he has no reason to stay in college unless he wants his degree.

Dion Lewis will be a True Sophomore.


Still not enough love for Jon Baldwin btw.

hitman
01-16-2010, 11:51 PM
New rule if you don't have Aaron Williams in the top 15 of your list it will be discredited by all. He is the best DB prospect that Texas has had in the past 5 years. Better then Aaron Ross, Michael Huff, Cedric Griffin, and Earl Thomas. He is right behind Patrick Peterson who I think is a top 3 pick.

I like Williams and Chykie Brown. That whole secondary plays fast.

hitman
01-16-2010, 11:55 PM
Three more names I like.

Prince Amukamara
Davon House
Trevin Wade

TACKLE
01-17-2010, 12:50 AM
Top 5 pick in 2011.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1020/ncf_i_quinn_600.jpg

TitansCJftw
01-17-2010, 01:03 AM
Top 5 pick in 2011.

http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2009/1020/ncf_i_quinn_600.jpg


while we're posting unc/ecu pics http://wwwcache.wralsportsfan.com/assets/colleges/unc/2009/09/19/6037905/09_19_09_06_40_26pm_harris-576x432.jpg

btw pinkney is terrible

bearsfan_51
01-17-2010, 02:15 AM
I realize Terrelle Pryor still has a lot to prove, but I would not take 6 quarterbacks in front of him.

RyanBraun8
01-17-2010, 02:30 AM
No John Clay love at all.... disappointing. Floyd/ Green > Jones but it is really hard to pick between Floyd or Green. It's really win win for which ever one your team gets. Prior still needs a lot of work before he is a true top tier NFL prospect. Mallet and Locker have a big step on Prior right now.

bearsfan_51
01-17-2010, 02:40 AM
His name is Pryor, and while I totally agree that Locker and Mallet are much higher, I was responding to a poster who listed 6 quarterbacks and not Pryor.

DoWnThEfiElD
01-17-2010, 09:00 AM
I personally think Peterson is the best CB prospect I have seen in the last 10 years. I think, if some juniors declare, next years draft could have quite a few elite prospects.

619
01-17-2010, 09:12 AM
2011 NFL Draft Big Board – Initial, January 15th 2010

10. Christian Ponder Quarterback Florida State

I'm not sure about this one, especially where you've got him listed.

JFLO
01-17-2010, 09:21 AM
I'm not sure about this one, especially where you've got him listed.

Just wait, if he can stay healthy, he'll be a first round pick.

He's a great athlete and really showed his great field awareness last season for the Seminoles.

Babylon
01-17-2010, 10:58 AM
There is a big difference when saying your a 100% and actually playing like you are 100%.

Also, not to mention the fact that he didn't play at all last season.

He's a solid 2nd-3rd round prospect at this point (if he truly is healthy), but definitely not a Top 10 type player.

All of this could obviously change come next April, but now is just too soon to be labeling him with that kind of magnitude.

For the sake of ranking him i just look at it like he had an injury and missed the season. People come back from cancer, whether he can regain his form we'll see but i guess i'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I think if he had played this year he would be a top 10 player so obviously i think he was pretty good.

Babylon
01-17-2010, 11:03 AM
well i believe that your "3a" is suppose to say A.J. Green, and not A.J. Jones....is that correct? or am i wrong?

I originally didnt have him in there (happens when you do it off the top of your heard) then i added Green and got the name wrong. Failed twice on that one although my critics like to point out that i fail a lot more than that.

descendency
01-17-2010, 12:04 PM
btw pinkney is terrible

I went to high school with him. I'd have to agree. CJ made that team last year.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 12:44 PM
I realize Terrelle Pryor still has a lot to prove, but I would not take 6 quarterbacks in front of him.


That would be me. You don't think Andrew Luck, Ryan Mallet, Jake Locker, Jerrod Johnson, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder are better? If not, which ones do you not like above Pryor and why?

Some people would even say John Brantley and Nick Foles if they have a good year would then be picked before Pryor.

DiG
01-17-2010, 01:05 PM
Best WR class since???? In 2004 3 WRs were taken in the top 10 and 5 in the top 15. i think the 2011 draft class of wrs are better prospects than that class was (fitz, roy williams, reggie williams, lee evans, michael clayton).

SimonRath
01-17-2010, 01:07 PM
That would be me. You don't think Andrew Luck, Ryan Mallet, Jake Locker, Jerrod Johnson, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder are better? If not, which ones do you not like above Pryor and why?

Some people would even say John Brantley and Nick Foles if they have a good year would then be picked before Pryor.

I think Pryors potential will get him drafted pretty high

bearsfan_51
01-17-2010, 01:13 PM
That would be me. You don't think Andrew Luck, Ryan Mallet, Jake Locker, Jerrod Johnson, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder are better? If not, which ones do you not like above Pryor and why?

Some people would even say John Brantley and Nick Foles if they have a good year would then be picked before Pryor.
I would put Pryor ahead of all of those guys except for Locker and Mallet, but still in the 2nd or 3rd round at this point. I don't see a huge degree of separation mind you, but Pryor has so much ability as a prospect, and seems to have started to put that all together.

Individually, I would like to see how Luck performs when Gerhart isn't there. I would like to see Gabbert not in the spread and not against the pathetic Big 12 defenses. I would like to see a repeat performance by Ponder, as athletically he isn't much to write home about. I don't think Johnson is even an NFL prospect.

RyanBraun8
01-17-2010, 02:42 PM
Right now Pryor would be above Ponder IMO and he has a chance to leap to 3rd above Gabbert and Johnson. He has to continue to prove he can win like VY did but has to also develop into a pro type QB. Are you going to get VY or Dennis Dixon/Josh Johnson in the pros? He has the tools just has to keep gettin better

bearsfan_51
01-17-2010, 03:05 PM
Josh Johnson is nothing like those other quarterbacks except he's black.

Babylon
01-17-2010, 03:11 PM
I would put Pryor ahead of all of those guys except for Locker and Mallet, but still in the 2nd or 3rd round at this point. I don't see a huge degree of separation mind you, but Pryor has so much ability as a prospect, and seems to have started to put that all together.

Individually, I would like to see how Luck performs when Gerhart isn't there. I would like to see Gabbert not in the spread and not against the pathetic Big 12 defenses. I would like to see a repeat performance by Ponder, as athletically he isn't much to write home about. I don't think Johnson is even an NFL prospect.

Pryor reminds me of Matt Jones, fairly accurate passer without much of an arm. Jones wasnt even thought of as an NFL QB so i wonder if Pryor will go the position change route.

RealityCheck
01-17-2010, 03:13 PM
Thread needs Marvin "Hurricane Stopper" Austin.

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Cigaro
01-17-2010, 03:44 PM
Thread needs Marvin "Hurricane Stopper" Austin.

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Marvin Austin blows. I'll repeat; Marvin Austin blows.

ThePudge
01-17-2010, 03:44 PM
I was posting much more of initial, off the top of my head, list. I think it could use some expanding and maybe correcting...


Early look at 2011 - Top 20

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1. Ryan Mallett - QB - Arkansas*
2. Jake Locker - QB - Washington

- I believe these two will have a very real chance at going back to back like Manning-Leaf and Couch-McNabb. Two franchise Quarterback prospects, who both would be my #1 QB prospect this year had either declared. Personally, at this point in their development, Ryan Mallett is behind Locker. That said, I l believe Mallett will build on his week to week improvement from last year, improve his footwork in and outside the pocket, and gain the trust/respect of his teammates after choosing not to go one and done at Arkansas. I just think he goes back to school with more to gain than Locker. As for Jake Locker, you better believe he's a top prospect and he'd have been a Top 10 pick this year. I don't expect either to get out of the Top 5. The importance of their position, and the fact that both profile to me as a player to build a team around, have led to them taking the top spots on my board.

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3. A.J. Green - WR - Georgia*
4. Patrick Peterson - CB - LSU*
5. Robert Quinn - DE - North Carolina*

- I think here you have pretty much a sure thing, #1, star caliber receiver in A.J. Green. I rate him more highly as a prospect than Michael Crabtree and Dez Bryant, right below Calvin Johnson. He possesses length, body control, athleticism, and some physicality... he profiles as a Top 5 pick in 2011 and one of the most complete WR prospects in recent memory. Peterson and Quinn are two potential stars and cornerstones of a defense. Patrick Peterson is the top Cornerback prospect since Terrance Newman, and has the experience, production, and physical skill-set to be considered one of the most prototypical top CB prospects in a long time. Robert Quinn is not a household name yet, but this time next year I would bet they'll be people here preaching him as a potential top pick. The big (6'5 256) pass-rusher recorded 11 Sacks and 19 TFL en-route to being named, as a True Sophomore, to the All-ACC First Team. Just a big, very athletic rusher, Quinn is the star of that talent laden defense in Carolina.

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6. Julio Jones - WR - Alabama*
7. Cameron Heyward - DT/DE - Ohio State
8. Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame*

- This is the time you look at this class, and just see how loaded it is at the top. Julio Jones is big, athletic, physical and is capable of dominating with the ball in his hands. At 6'4 212 with sub 4.5 speed, production's really the only thing missing (not shocking considering the team's QB play and Heisman running back.) Jones steps up on the big stage and is widely considered an elite talent at WR, he definitely looks like a Top 10 pick. Cameron Heyward is a guy I'm very high on, a dominant force on defense. That said, with Heyward, I don't know where he fits in a 4-3 defense in the NFL. In my opinion, he's a better 3-4 DE prospect than 3rd Overall pick Tyson Jackson. Enormous, strong, physical, and deceptively explosive and quick. Michael Floyd is the third receiver in this draft that I'd gladly take over 2009 NFL Draft prospect Michael Crabtree. Floyd possesses a thicker frame, but also excellent body control, hands, and a knack for the big play. He'll likely see plenty of single coverage this year in Brian Kelly's system, and despite losing #1 receiver Golden Tate and QB Jimmy Clausen, Floyd's production could skyrocket. He's a Top 10 prospect now, and could make the top WR discussion very interesting.

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9. Greg Romeus - DE - Pittsburgh
10. Aaron Williams - CB - Texas*
11. Gabe Carmini - OT - Wisconsin
12. Mark Ingram - RB - Alabama*

- It will be interesting to see what happens with Greg Romeus and Gabe Carmini coming back. I think Romeus had a first round paycheck waiting for him if he declared this year, perhaps Carmini too. If both can improve their game, then they have Top 15 potential. I think both are going back to great situations, Romeus to the top team in the Big East (potential Top 10 in the country) and Carmini returns to his buddy John Clay, and a Wisconsin offense that will return all but their starting TE from a year ago (including all skill position players, QB, and all 5 OL). Aaron Williams is on his way to being a great player at Texas, and with a big year, he's a Top 10-15 prospect it would appear. Mark Ingram shouldn't surprise anyone, and I expect he'll be out of college after next season (as Alabama will start working Trent Richardson in more and more.) Ingram has the vision, balance, burst, durability, and receiving skills out of the backfield, to be considered a feature runner at the next level. I like him more as a prospect than 2009 Top 15 pick Knowshon Moreno.

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13. Rahim Moore - S - UCLA*
14. Travis Lewis - OLB - Oklahoma*
15. Ryan Williams - RB - Virginia Tech*
16. Jonathan Baldwin - WR - Pittsburgh*

- Four more great players. Travis Lewis looks to be a top WLB prospect in any 4-3 scheme, and may have the ability to kick inside in a 3-4 scheme. Lewis is tough at the point of attack and plays sideline to sideline. At 6'2 232 with 4.5 speed, Lewis should test well, and has been one of the most productive LBs in the country the past two seasons. How will he be with the loss of DTs Gerald McCoy and Demarcus Granger? Rahim Moore is a talented ballhawk that plays some of the best center field in college football. Moore put up big numbers this year with ten interceptions, and was named a Second Team All-American as a Sophomore. He will have a chance to be a high pick in 2011 if he proves he is an elite, and complete, college safety. Ryan Williams may not have elite size or C.J. Spiller breakaway speed, but what he lacks there, he makes up for in sheer football talent and a knack for the position. Williams combines vision, acceleration, toughness, and patience. He will be a RS Soph. next year and may declare with similar success. In a loaded class of physically gifted receivers, Jonathan Baldwin, the biggest, isn't getting the publicity you'd normally see/expect. Baldwin is a big, fast, vertical threat with the ability to get the ball at it's highest point. He combines that size and speed with remarkable body control in the air, and is deceptive after the catch. Character questions bring the ultra-talented receiver down a bit here.

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17. Bruce Carter - OLB - North Carolina
18. Allen Bailey - DT - Miami
19. Ryan Broyles - WR - Oklahoma*
20. Adrian Clayborn - DE - Iowa

- Few Seniors in here at the end to round out the list. First, Bruce Carter from UNC, a player sure to generate plenty of buzz in his final year. Carter is one of the best athletes on a very athletic, stacked Tarheels defense. He grew up as a player this year, and should continue to grow into his physical ability. Allen Bailey is another ACC physical specimen. He'll need to take some strides on the field, but Bailey is somewhat of a freak and should be a high pick in 2011. Ryan Broyles reminds me a lot of Santonio Holmes/Mark Clayton. He's unique in this particular class, one full of huge, athletic receivers. Broyles is smaller, quicker, probably a bit more fluid, and a great route runner with great hands. I think he has more than just slot receiver potential, like Holmes. He just has a tremendous feel for the position, and he brings value also as a Punt Returner. Iowa DE Adrian Clayborn won't wow you with his triangle numbers, yet he's consistently one of the most dominant players on the field. He's a bit shorter than your average defensive end, but at 6'3 282 he plays with strength, leverage, and surprising explosiveness off the snap. He plays the run and past, and deserves to be a first round pick due to his actions on the field.

superman8456
01-17-2010, 03:51 PM
I think come this time around next year a lot of people will be talking about Akeem Ayers.

phlysac
01-17-2010, 04:07 PM
Jonathan Baldwin, the biggest, isn't getting the publicity you'd normally see/expect. Baldwin is a big, fast, vertical threat with the ability to get the ball at it's highest point. He combines that size and speed with remarkable body control in the air, and is deceptive after the catch. Character questions bring the ultra-talented receiver down a bit here.

Anything specific you've heard aside from him slapping that girl's butt on a campus bus?

RealityCheck
01-17-2010, 04:10 PM
Anything specific you've heard aside from him slapping that girl's butt on a campus bus?
That's a character question? :confused:

ThePudge
01-17-2010, 04:12 PM
Anything specific you've heard aside from the girl that said he slapped her butt on a bus? That accusation was thrown out after investigation.

Anything else, I hadn't heard about?

The legal case was dismissed but apparently the school disciplined Baldwin. At this point they are only character questions, I don't think anyone thinks of him as a bad guy. I'm sure NFL coaches/GMs will ask about the incident still even if it was as simple as just grabbing a random girl's ass.

P-L
01-17-2010, 04:25 PM
I don't think Robert Quinn has the measurables to be a top five pick. Great college player though.

Borat
01-17-2010, 04:34 PM
Michael Floyd is the best WR in college ball right now.

ThePudge
01-17-2010, 04:37 PM
I don't think Robert Quinn has the measurables to be a top five pick. Great college player though.

At right around 6'5 260 with big time athleticism I'd disagree. Teammate Dunta Williams calls him "Hercules" and also says "He's amazing, the guy's 270, he runs a 4.5, and he's chiseled up like a greek god." While that's obviously exaggerated, I think he's got the right idea. His coach, Butch Davis, calls him a beast. I think Quinn's a special DE prospect.

draftguru151
01-17-2010, 04:38 PM
I don't think Robert Quinn has the measurables to be a top five pick. Great college player though.

Listed as 6-5 260 and he's supposed to be really really fast. I can't recall the exact time but every UNC game the announcers talk about his timed speed. Really early but he's probably my 2nd rated guy right now.

P-L
01-17-2010, 04:40 PM
At right around 6'5 260 with big time athleticism I'd disagree. Teammate Dunta Williams calls him "Hercules" and also says "He's amazing, the guy's 270, he runs a 4.5, and he's chiseled up like a greek god." While that's obviously exaggerated, I think he's got the right idea. His coach, Butch Davis, calls him a beast. I think Quinn's a special DE prospect.
He ran a 4.8 in high school at 255 lbs. I'd be shocked if he lowered his 40 time that much in just two years.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 04:44 PM
You guys are crazy if you don't think Andrew Luck is not a better quaterback NOW then Pryor. He will probably be a top ten pick under Harbough.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 04:51 PM
I would put Pryor ahead of all of those guys except for Locker and Mallet, but still in the 2nd or 3rd round at this point. I don't see a huge degree of separation mind you, but Pryor has so much ability as a prospect, and seems to have started to put that all together.

Individually, I would like to see how Luck performs when Gerhart isn't there. I would like to see Gabbert not in the spread and not against the pathetic Big 12 defenses. I would like to see a repeat performance by Ponder, as athletically he isn't much to write home about. I don't think Johnson is even an NFL prospect.

Christian Ponder not an athlete and Jerrod Johnson not an NFl prospect? Lol
I guess Mike Sherman opinion doesn't count. Christian can run under a 4.6 in the 40 and comes from a family of athletes. He went to my HS and I used to pt his mom.

Sniper
01-17-2010, 04:53 PM
I would put Pryor ahead of all of those guys except for Locker and Mallet, but still in the 2nd or 3rd round at this point. I don't see a huge degree of separation mind you, but Pryor has so much ability as a prospect, and seems to have started to put that all together.

Because of one game against the nation's a middle-of-the-pack pass defense? You don't mind if I hold off on the coronation, do you?

In the four games before Oregon, Pryor had 135, 125, 93 and 67 passing yards. Not exactly mind-blowing.

Scotty D
01-17-2010, 04:56 PM
He went to my HS and I used to pt his mom.

What did you use to do to his mom???

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 05:08 PM
What did you use to do to his mom???

I was her trainer at Lifetime Fitness.

BrabbitMcRabbit
01-17-2010, 05:22 PM
Julio Jones is terrible. Floyd, Green, Baldwin, and Brown are all better.

Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect in college football.

Not enough love for LaMichael James in this thread.

Ingram is good, but Richardson is the star in that backfield.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 05:27 PM
Julio Jones is terrible. Floyd, Green, Baldwin, and Brown are all better.

Andrew Luck is the best QB prospect in college football.

Not enough love for LaMichael James in this thread.

Ingram is good, but Richardson is the star in that backfield.

I think Luck is one of the better QB prospects too. Isn't LaMichael a true soph?

JFLO
01-17-2010, 05:30 PM
I think come this time around next year a lot of people will be talking about Akeem Ayers.

Agree, Ayers is going to be a hot commodity in 2011.

He's built like a fridge but still has the athleticism to be a sideline-to-sideline type player.

BrabbitMcRabbit
01-17-2010, 05:32 PM
I think Luck is one of the better QB prospects too. Isn't LaMichael a true soph?

James is a redshirt soph like Luck. He will be eligible.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 05:38 PM
I wonder if Julio comes out if he has another crappy year like this year. They are still going to run the ball and Greg is still going to be the qb.

ThePudge
01-17-2010, 05:42 PM
Julio Jones is terrible.

How so? (10 characters)

BrabbitMcRabbit
01-17-2010, 05:43 PM
How so? (10 characters)

He's overrated just like Benn was because of his high school reputation.

He's just not an impressive NFL prospect. Doesn't have a great body. Not very fluid. Not very powerful, quick, or fast. At best the 5th WR in the 2011 class.

Sniper
01-17-2010, 05:44 PM
He's overrated just like Benn was because of his high school reputation.

He's just not an impressive NFL prospect. Doesn't have a great body. Not very fluid. Not very powerful, quick, or fast. At best the 5th WR in the 2011 class.

Both Benn and Jones are very good receivers. They're mostly hampered by mediocre to terrible QB play.

Also, Julio? Not powerful? What?

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 05:48 PM
He's overrated just like Benn was because of his high school reputation.

He's just not an impressive NFL prospect. Doesn't have a great body. Not very fluid. Not very powerful, quick, or fast. At best the 5th WR in the 2011 class.

I'm not a Julio fan but he is powerful and has a body that could play in the NFL. I do question his speed though. I like Green, Baldwin, and Broyles better

BrabbitMcRabbit
01-17-2010, 06:00 PM
He's a poor man's Hakeem Nicks living on hype from high school.

ThePudge
01-17-2010, 06:01 PM
He's overrated just like Benn was because of his high school reputation.

He's just not an impressive NFL prospect. Doesn't have a great body. Not very fluid. Not very powerful, quick, or fast. At best the 5th WR in the 2011 class.

I honestly don't agree with a word you just said. I don't think he has the feel for the position and fluidity that A.J. Green possesses. Stilly he does have very good body control, he's pretty damn powerful, and is known for being a near freak athlete, both quick and fast. His game is not textbook, but he's a good blocker at receiver and he is explosive after the catch. I think he has a lot of room to grow on the field, but is already a great talent that has to be respected by double teams. I think where Green may compare to Fitzgerald, Jones may remind some of a faster Anquan Boldin. At best a Top 5 pick, I don't see much holding him back from the Top 15.

BrabbitMcRabbit
01-17-2010, 06:03 PM
Top 5? LOL. No way.

He's barely one of the top 5 WRs available.

619
01-17-2010, 06:06 PM
He's a poor man's Hakeem Nicks living on hype from high school.

I would agree, except the comparison is a bit off. I can't think of a better one right now though.

JFLO
01-17-2010, 06:06 PM
I tend to agree that Julio is a bit overrated, but the fact remains that he is one of the most physically imposing receivers to come around since Megatron entered in 2007.

He'll be a first round pick if he enters next year, most likely in the 10-20 range.

BrabbitMcRabbit
01-17-2010, 06:10 PM
I tend to agree that Julio is a bit overrated, but the fact remains that he is one of the most physically imposing receivers to come around since Megatron entered in 2007.

Really? Baldwin, Floyd, and Brown are all bigger and they've all outplayed him thus far in their careers. I don't think Julio is a special talent physically.

ThePudge
01-17-2010, 06:12 PM
Top 5? LOL. No way.

He's barely one of the top 5 WRs available.

We'll have to disagree then. Jones had a big freshman year, with 924 yards receiving and declined this year under a new QB and run based offense. You throw him at Texas Tech, and he puts up Michael Crabtree numbers. Jones is benefitting though, I believe, from a pro-style offense at Alabama that has him seeing double teams and sees him gaining experience as a blocker. I'd think he'd need to break 1,000 yards and 10 Tds to be in the Top 5 conversation next year. That may not happen, with McElroy at QB and Ingram-Richardson-Upchurch leading the way, but I think Jones is certainly good enough for those numbers. We'll see, right now I'm thinking bottom half of the Top 10.

JFLO
01-17-2010, 06:13 PM
Really? Baldwin, Floyd, and Brown are all bigger and they've all outplayed him thus far in their careers. I don't think Julio is a special talent physically.

Michael Floyd is not bigger than Julio Jones....bud.

And yes, he is definitely more physically imposing than Michael Floyd. There shouldn't even be an argument concerning that.

619
01-17-2010, 06:14 PM
Really? Baldwin, Floyd, and Brown are all bigger and they've all outplayed him thus far in their careers. I don't think Julio is a special talent physically.

There, you're wrong. That being said, I'd take two of those three receivers over him (Floyd, Baldwin), as well as Green who you didn't mention.

BrabbitMcRabbit
01-17-2010, 06:15 PM
We'll see, right now I'm thinking bottom half of the Top 10.

Not a prayer of that happening. He'll fall into the late 1st-2nd just like Benn.

ThePudge
01-17-2010, 06:19 PM
Not a prayer of that happening. He'll fall into the late 1st-2nd just like Benn.

Ok, good call. We'll see next April.

619
01-17-2010, 06:20 PM
Michael Floyd is not bigger than Julio Jones....bud.

Haha, I missed that, too. I'd still say Floyd is an imposing force, just not what Julio is in that regard. That's potentially one stacked class next year if Julio is my fourth ranked receiver, and still what I'd consider a top 20 pick.

P-L
01-17-2010, 06:23 PM
Michael Floyd is not bigger than Julio Jones....bud.
Julio is a bit taller, but Floyd is bigger. Jones is listed at 6'4" 210 and Floyd 6'3" 220.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 06:33 PM
We'll have to disagree then. Jones had a big freshman year, with 924 yards receiving and declined this year under a new QB and run based offense. You throw him at Texas Tech, and he puts up Michael Crabtree numbers. Jones is benefitting though, I believe, from a pro-style offense at Alabama that has him seeing double teams and sees him gaining experience as a blocker. I'd think he'd need to break 1,000 yards and 10 Tds to be in the Top 5 conversation next year. That may not happen, with McElroy at QB and Ingram-Richardson-Upchurch leading the way, but I think Jones is certainly good enough for those numbers. We'll see, right now I'm thinking bottom half of the Top 10.

I doubt he post those number in the same offense with the same qb. I see him in the 10-20 range.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 06:38 PM
Not alot of love for Ryan Broyles who had outstanding numbers with a new QB. Wonder what he would've done if Sam Bradford was throwing him the ball. I think he is the 3rd best WR and reminds me of Santonio Holmes.

Da Big Harv
01-17-2010, 06:43 PM
wow this debate on these underclass WR is just starting and it should be funny as it will go on and get more intense for the next year and 4 months until 2011 draft

Early prediction is A.J. Green just has the special ability none of the others have where you just know he will come down with the ball when you watch him like a Fitzgerald or Moss which is because of his superior ball skills and 6'4 frame I think he will be the highest taken

I think Julio will be the 2nd taken because he is so dominate and its very hard to find a flaw in his game other than maybe route running but that has time to improve hes just such a specimen at 6'4 215 and incredible shake and break tackle ability he is a nightmare to defense and closest thing to Andre Johnson since AJ himself. He is also an incredible and willing blocker who plays in an offense NFL teams run, unlike Posey and Broyles and Brown.

Than the others are so close I think I'll just have to wait to judge with
Floyd, Baldwin, Brown, Posey, McNutt, Broyles and many others all grouped so closely together.

ThePudge
01-17-2010, 06:44 PM
Julio is a bit taller, but Floyd is bigger. Jones is listed at 6'4" 210 and Floyd 6'3" 220.

Word is Floyd's probably a bit closer to 6'2 - 6'2 1/2. From the measurements I found Julio Jones is a legitimate 6'4 212 and I would say is a sub 4.5 athlete with an NFL ready body and surprising quickness in and out of his cuts. In two years against top CB Patrick Peterson's LSU team, Jones went over 100 yards both times (11 rec 230 yds 1 Td). He's stepped up at some big times and he's shown a knack for the big play. I think he's a Top 15 pick were he in this draft, and should get even better with an extra year of experience against top competition.

JFLO
01-17-2010, 06:48 PM
I've said his name a couple times before, but Nick Toon is also a wide receiver to watch next year.

His name is buried beneath all the other, more publicized names, but he is a great receiver. Very reliable hands, tremendous body control and a fantastic leaper. I wouldn't be surprised to see him be a 1st, 2nd round pick next April, if he decides to declare.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 06:55 PM
wow this debate on these underclass WR is just starting and it should be funny as it will go on and get more intense for the next year and 4 months until 2011 draft

Early prediction is A.J. Green just has the special ability none of the others have where you just know he will come down with the ball when you watch him like a Fitzgerald or Moss which is because of his superior ball skills and 6'4 frame I think he will be the highest taken

I think Julio will be the 2nd taken because he is so dominate and its very hard to find a flaw in his game other than maybe route running but that has time to improve hes just such a specimen at 6'4 215 and incredible shake and break tackle ability he is a nightmare to defense and closest thing to Andre Johnson since AJ himself. He is also an incredible and willing blocker who plays in an offense NFL teams run, unlike Posey and Broyles and Brown.

Than the others are so close I think I'll just have to wait to judge with
Floyd, Baldwin, Brown, Posey, McNutt, Broyles and many others all grouped so closely together.

I agree with your comment on Green and see him as the top WR. I think Julio compares more to a stronger Kenny Britt. Julio doesn't have Andre's speed.

619
01-17-2010, 07:01 PM
I thought about it, and I believe the best comparison for Julio is Colston. Obviously not a perfect comparison, but if Julio continues to refine his game and route-running ability, then I see no reason why he cannot be that impact player at the next level; 10-20 range is about right (as of now).

Mr.KnowItAll
01-17-2010, 07:06 PM
I thought about it, and I believe the best comparison for Julio is Colston. Obviously not a perfect comparison, but if Julio continues to refine his game and route-running ability, then I see no reason why he cannot be that impact player at the next level; 10-20 range is about right (as of now).

That is a better comparison then Britt.

LickaMahfeetz
01-18-2010, 08:21 PM
No one mentioned or questions Julio Jones ability to create separation? He couldn't get open against Texas and it's not the first time a decent CB has made him ineffective. He has trouble getting separation against talented CB's. No double teams needed. That's as big a knock to me as I can think of for a WR, right after being able to get off the line.

I like Michael Floyd a lot. I think he is definitely underrated by some in this thread.

murdamal86
01-18-2010, 08:38 PM
Word is Floyd's probably a bit closer to 6'2 - 6'2 1/2. From the measurements I found Julio Jones is a legitimate 6'4 212 and I would say is a sub 4.5 athlete with an NFL ready body and surprising quickness in and out of his cuts. In two years against top CB Patrick Peterson's LSU team, Jones went over 100 yards both times (11 rec 230 yds 1 Td). He's stepped up at some big times and he's shown a knack for the big play. I think he's a Top 15 pick were he in this draft, and should get even better with an extra year of experience against top competition.

That TD pass he had against LSU was against the backup cornerback because Peterson was out the game with cramps. Before that, Jones was BLANKETED by Peterson.

619
01-18-2010, 08:41 PM
No one mentioned or questions Julio Jones ability to create separation? He couldn't get open against Texas and it's not the first time a decent CB has made him ineffective. He has trouble getting separation against talented CB's. No double teams needed. That's as big a knock to me as I can think of for a WR, right after being able to get off the line.

I like Michael Floyd a lot. I think he is definitely underrated by some in this thread.

That's what I've noticed from time to time, and I'd be lying if I told you that wasn't a factor in my ranking of him lower than Green, Floyd, and Baldwin for next year's potential receiver class. His physical tools are too impressive to ignore nonetheless, which still has me saying he'll be a top 20 lock.

Duffman57
01-18-2010, 09:25 PM
I know he proally wont be in the top whatever, but what do u guys think about Akeem Ayers? He seems like he could be a good ILB in the 3-4.

Mr.KnowItAll
01-18-2010, 11:03 PM
No one mentioned or questions Julio Jones ability to create separation? He couldn't get open against Texas and it's not the first time a decent CB has made him ineffective. He has trouble getting separation against talented CB's. No double teams needed. That's as big a knock to me as I can think of for a WR, right after being able to get off the line.

I like Michael Floyd a lot. I think he is definitely underrated by some in this thread.

In my post I questioned Julio's speed but I also don't think Floyd has great speed either. Floyd gets seperation by running better routes but I'm not sure how well thaat will translate to the NFL. Also the Texas game Aaron Williams was covering Julio most of the time so that's a bad example since he is probably 2nd best corner in the NCAA.

AntoinCD
01-19-2010, 03:20 AM
I hope some people on this site are right about Julio because I'd gladly take him and Patrick Peterson for the Patriots next year. I personally think it's 1a and 1b between him and AJ Green next year. I think the only knock this time next year on Jones will be production, however coming from an offense that includes two top end RBs and a mediocre QB he will get a bit of a pass on that

RealityCheck
01-19-2010, 09:31 AM
I hope some people on this site are right about Julio because I'd gladly take him and Patrick Peterson for the Patriots next year. I personally think it's 1a and 1b between him and AJ Green next year. I think the only knock this time next year on Jones will be production, however coming from an offense that includes two top end RBs and a mediocre QB he will get a bit of a pass on that
I wouldn't call McElroy a mediocre QB... maybe a average QB.

cvv84
01-19-2010, 01:57 PM
The Top 32 Returning NFL Prospects (among those eligible for the 2011 Draft).

1. WR Julio Jones, Alabama (Jr.)
2. DE Bruce Carter, North Carolina
3. CB Patrick Peterson, LSU (Jr.)
4. DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina (Jr.)
5. QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (Jr.)
6. RB Evan Royster, Penn State
7. OT Matt Reynolds, BYU (Jr.)
8. WR A.J. Green, Georgia (Jr.)
9. OG Rodney Hudson, Florida State
10. RB Mark Ingram, Alabama (Jr.)
11. OLB Mark Herzlich, Boston College
12. TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame (Jr.)
13. OG Mike Pouncey, Florida
14. FS Deunta Williams, North Carolina
15. SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson
15. ILB Greg Jones, Michigan State
16. OLB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma (Jr.)
17. CB Kendrick Burney, North Carolina
18. SS Mark Barron, Alabama (Jr.)
19. QB Jake Locker, Washington
20. QB Andrew Luck, Stanford (3rd year Soph.)
21. DT Marvin Austin, North Carolina
22. OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
23. RB > Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State (Jr.)
24. RB John Clay, Wisconsin (Jr.)
25. ILB Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
26. TE Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
27. RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma
28. OT Antony Castonzo, Boston College
29. FS Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
30. DE Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson (Jr.)
31. OG Justin Boren, Ohio State
32. CB Dominique Franks, Oklahoma

http://cfn.scout.com/2/938233.html (Also has top position rankings if you click on link)

Sniper
01-19-2010, 02:05 PM
The Top 32 Returning NFL Prospects (among those eligible for the 2011 Draft).


No Michael Floyd? Seriously?

prock
01-19-2010, 02:08 PM
i feel as though next years skill positions class (RB, WR, QB) are going to be absolutely STACKED! dont know if there will be much depth at quarterback, but the top two are hella good prospects. but the receivers especially could be a ******* amazing class.

DoWnThEfiElD
01-19-2010, 02:12 PM
No Michael Floyd? Seriously?

I think Floyd and Green have shown more to be ranked higher than Jones has thus far.

I don't get how he could possibly be 1 overall.

ThePudge
01-19-2010, 02:15 PM
No Michael Floyd? Seriously?

Bruce Carter is on that list as a Defensive End (he plays Outside Linebacker at 6'3 235) at 2nd Overall. Mike Pouncey and Rodney Hudson are unbelievably high. Ultimately, it looks like a simple watch list that happens to be numbered.

BrabbitMcRabbit
01-19-2010, 03:00 PM
The Top 32 Returning NFL Prospects (among those eligible for the 2011 Draft).

1. WR Julio Jones, Alabama (Jr.)
6. RB Evan Royster, Penn State
12. TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame (Jr.)
23. RB > Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State (Jr.)
24. RB John Clay, Wisconsin (Jr.)
27. RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma


Not seeing any of these.

Scout is pretty inconsistent with their draft content. Is this Chris Stuber's stuff? That would make sense. He's pretty terrible.

Babylon
01-19-2010, 03:27 PM
The Top 32 Returning NFL Prospects (among those eligible for the 2011 Draft).

1. WR Julio Jones, Alabama (Jr.)
2. DE Bruce Carter, North Carolina
3. CB Patrick Peterson, LSU (Jr.)
4. DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina (Jr.)
5. QB Ryan Mallett, Arkansas (Jr.)
6. RB Evan Royster, Penn State
7. OT Matt Reynolds, BYU (Jr.)
8. WR A.J. Green, Georgia (Jr.)
9. OG Rodney Hudson, Florida State
10. RB Mark Ingram, Alabama (Jr.)
11. OLB Mark Herzlich, Boston College
12. TE Kyle Rudolph, Notre Dame (Jr.)
13. OG Mike Pouncey, Florida
14. FS Deunta Williams, North Carolina
15. SS DeAndre McDaniel, Clemson
15. ILB Greg Jones, Michigan State
16. OLB Travis Lewis, Oklahoma (Jr.)
17. CB Kendrick Burney, North Carolina
18. SS Mark Barron, Alabama (Jr.)
19. QB Jake Locker, Washington
20. QB Andrew Luck, Stanford (3rd year Soph.)
21. DT Marvin Austin, North Carolina
22. OT Gabe Carimi, Wisconsin
23. RB > Jacquizz Rodgers, Oregon State (Jr.)
24. RB John Clay, Wisconsin (Jr.)
25. ILB Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina
26. TE Lance Kendricks, Wisconsin
27. RB DeMarco Murray, Oklahoma
28. OT Antony Castonzo, Boston College
29. FS Quinton Carter, Oklahoma
30. DE Da’Quan Bowers, Clemson (Jr.)
31. OG Justin Boren, Ohio State
32. CB Dominique Franks, Oklahoma

http://cfn.scout.com/2/938233.html (Also has top position rankings if you click on link)

Jake Locker goes from potential #1 pick in 2010 to #19 in 2011. that class must be loaded.

iworshipbender
01-19-2010, 03:49 PM
Jake Locker goes from potential #1 pick in 2010 to #19 in 2011. that class must be loaded.

Get a room already. Not everyone holds him in such high regard as you do.

Boy, getting to Washingturd to 4 wins automatically guarantees you an NFL job and a #1 overall pick at that too. It reminds me of the days when doing that at Oregon State would get you a head coaching job with the Chargers.

SuperMcGee
01-19-2010, 03:55 PM
81. Shannon Davonte, SS, 6-0, 195, Buffalo

Not a good sign when you get the guys name wrong.

I've been saying for 3 years that Shannon will be the highest drafted Buffalo player. Pre-injury Starks probably would have given him a run, but the ranking is about right for Shannon. He's a stud and undoubtedly a top mid-school prospect next year.

JFLO
01-19-2010, 04:05 PM
Akeem Ayers at #70?

That's pooptalk.

I have him at #8 overall for 2011.

Babylon
01-19-2010, 06:03 PM
Get a room already. Not everyone holds him in such high regard as you do.

Boy, getting to Washingturd to 4 wins automatically guarantees you an NFL job and a #1 overall pick at that too. It reminds me of the days when doing that at Oregon State would get you a head coaching job with the Chargers.

Let's see, Scott had him at the top of the draft, so did Mort, McShay.... i guess we better get a room with multiple beds.

5 wins by the way, might as well get your facts straight.

TitanHope
01-19-2010, 06:20 PM
Let's see, Scott had him at the top of the draft, so did Mort, McShay.... i guess we better get a room with multiple beds.

5 wins by the way, might as well get your facts straight.

Threesome? ;)

thebow305
01-19-2010, 06:56 PM
No Michael Floyd? Seriously?

Forget Floyd, if you don't have Jonathan Baldwin in your Top 32 players for 2011, it's a HUUUUUUGGGGEEE EPIC FAIL!!

baronzeus
01-19-2010, 07:18 PM
As a stanford guy I sure hope Luck comes back for at least his Junior year

iworshipbender
01-19-2010, 07:42 PM
Let's see, Scott had him at the top of the draft, so did Mort, McShay.... i guess we better get a room with multiple beds.

5 wins by the way, might as well get your facts straight.

I can't wait until someone makes that mistake. Everyone had Reggie Bush #1 too and he's been a bona fide flop until this last game.

TitanHope
01-19-2010, 07:54 PM
I think people are horribly over-rating Julio Jones. A.J. Green is securely my #1 WR.

#1 overall right now may be Patrick Peterson, but I haven't really gone that in depth into next year yet.

Stamper
01-19-2010, 09:36 PM
Aj Green is cleary the best WR out of the group. Julio had a down year but if you remember they went to him so much in the beginning of the year and he still couldnt take over a game. i understand that he will be doubled but its not like hes been the only big time receiver on a championship team. good wr's get receptions and julio just didnt this year. he has all the tools dont get me wrong but so does aj green. he had a game winning catch int he corner of the endzone. the way he goes for the ball when its up in the air is something you cant teach.

Sniper
01-19-2010, 09:42 PM
Aj Green is cleary the best WR out of the group.

Convince me he's better than Michael Floyd. 2 100-yard games all season and he's "clearly" the best WR out of the group?

Stamper
01-19-2010, 09:47 PM
Convince me he's better than Michael Floyd. 2 100-yard games all season and he's "clearly" the best WR out of the group?

the thing is they both have the ability to go after the ball. but you cant forget that floyd saw 20x less more double teams. if green had a receiver like tate on the opposite side of him, he would have similar stats to floyd. im not knocking floyd, i think hes better then julio but aj green has more skill.

thebow305
01-19-2010, 10:14 PM
Can we please throw my boy Jonathan Baldwin into the mix for the #1 guy next year. No love on here for him!

Out of Floyd, Jones, Green and Baldwin, Baldwin had the most 100 yard games in 2009 with SEVEN. SEVEN! And one 98 yard game. Floyd had 5, Green had 2, and Jones only 1.

The only receiver here with 1,000 yards last year was Baldwin, with 1,111.

Here are the 2009 stats for all four top guys:

Jones: 58 rec, 924 yards, 4 TD's
Green: 53 rec, 808 yards, 6 TD's
Floyd: 44 rec, 795 yards, 9 TD's
BALDWIN: 57 rec, 1,111 yards, 8 TD's

At 6'5" 225 lbs, running a legit 4.4 40 time, and elite leaping ability. He is arguably the most physically gifted and all-around receiver heading into next season and is a legit first round pick, possibly even Top 15 IMO.

Also, for all non-Miami fans, keep a look out for LaRon Byrd and Leonard Hankerson. They are our top 2 WR's and heading into next year, could be the best tandem in college football. Hank had a great season this year with 45 receptions for 801 yards and 6 touchdowns. He was the most consistent threat on our offense this year and almost opted for the draft before returning for his Senior year. Byrd has flashed big time in his first two years and looks to be our most gifted receiver physically and if he puts it all together this upcoming year, he could be something special. Both are potential first day picks in 2011.

Sniper
01-19-2010, 10:16 PM
Out of Floyd, Jones, Green and Baldwin, Baldwin had the most 100 yard games in 2009 with SEVEN. SEVEN! And one 98 yard game. Floyd had 5, Green had 2, and Jones only 1.

The only receiver here with 1,000 yards last year was Baldwin, with 1,111.

Mighty convenient of you to leave out the fact that Floyd missed 5 1/2 games.

mqtirishfan
01-19-2010, 10:28 PM
Edit: Sniper beat me to defending a ND player. I am embarrassed.

Sniper
01-19-2010, 10:33 PM
Edit: Sniper beat me to defending a ND player. I am embarrassed.

Ha, don't be. I <3 Floyd. I'm completely prepared for the 250 yards and 4 touchdowns that he'll get against UM next year. He's amazing.

SenorGato
01-20-2010, 11:10 AM
Is it cool if I take Baldwin over any WR except maybe Green? Baldwin is the biggest physical freak out of all these talented WRs.

I think both he and Romeus are top 10 talents.

Who are the big name DTs? There's Austin and then...? Christian Ballard really intrigues me as a 3-4 DE, even moreso than Heyward. That said, the best, most stout 3-4 DE prospect early on is Marsh. Marsh is as underrated as it gets.

RealityCheck
01-20-2010, 11:16 AM
2. DE Bruce Carter, North Carolina
4. DE Robert Quinn, North Carolina (Jr.)
14. FS Deunta Williams, North Carolina
17. CB Kendrick Burney, North Carolina
21. DT Marvin Austin, North Carolina
25. ILB Quan Sturdivant, North Carolina

In Borat's words, "great success."

Scott Wright
02-25-2010, 10:15 AM
I didn't see Alabama DT Marcel Dareus mentioned in this thread.

Dareus will only be a junior next season but he definitely looks like a future first rounder.

JoeyHeisman
02-25-2010, 10:53 AM
I didn't see Alabama DT Marcel Dareus mentioned in this thread.

Dareus will only be a junior next season but he definitely looks like a future first rounder.

Words of wisdom Scott, words of wisdom. Dareus will be a full-time starter this coming year with the departures of Deaderick and Washington. It's going to be fun watching him wreak havoc, the guy is a complete terror every time he steps on the field.

YAYareaRB
02-25-2010, 11:01 AM
Deunta Williams is one of fav prospects coming into the year. Them Tarheels are gonna have a good defense on their hands.

thenewfeature06
02-25-2010, 11:04 AM
Deunta Williams is one of fav prospects coming into the year. Them Tarheels are gonna have a good defense on their hands.

Well said my friend, as far as the team goes the offense needs work then we'll talk but I think Robert Quinn will be the best prospect from UNC could come out next year but he is only a junior.

SenorGato
02-25-2010, 11:51 AM
I didn't see Alabama DT Marcel Dareus mentioned in this thread.

Dareus will only be a junior next season but he definitely looks like a future first rounder.

Don't see him as a future first rounder, but definitely a good player. Not really sure who's actually better than him, but I'm not sure that actually means he's a first rounder by default.

superman8456
02-25-2010, 12:53 PM
Marcus Forston needs a mention.

RealityCheck
02-25-2010, 12:56 PM
Robert Quinn will be 2011's JPP, but faster, smarter and even more awesome.

thenewfeature06
02-25-2010, 01:08 PM
Robert Quinn will be 2011's JPP, but faster, smarter and even more awesome.

I hope he stays all four years...prolly won't happppppen >: l

RealityCheck
02-25-2010, 01:14 PM
I hope he stays all four years...prolly won't happppppen >: l
I understand that college is awesome, specially UNC.

But he is the man.

BRAVEHEART
02-25-2010, 01:28 PM
No mentions of USC's Nick Perry?

ToldLikeItIs
02-25-2010, 01:30 PM
Scott,

What are your thoughts on Adrian Clayborn, Christian Ballard, and Tyler Sash?

Thanks!

etk
02-25-2010, 03:36 PM
Rare Elite:

Patrick Peter$on

Elite:

Julio Jones

Other top 20 talents off the top of my head:

AJ Green, Michael Floyd, Jon Baldwin, DeAndre Brown, LaRon Byrd, Jake Locker, Ryan Mallett, Ryan Williams, Mark Ingram, Kyle Rudolph, Allen Bailey, DaQuan Bowers, Janoris Jenkins, Aaron Williams

BRAVEHEART: Nick Perry just misses the cut for me, along with guys like Jerrod Johnson and Christian Ponder. Likely top 20 picks, but I'm not quite ready to call them top talents yet.

ThePudge
02-25-2010, 03:52 PM
Posted this earlier, before the discussion died. Made it look a lot more presentable and attractive. UCLA's Akeem Ayers, Iowa's Christian Ballard, and Alabama's Marcel Dareus are other favorites... but here is my Top 20 going into the 2010 college football season...

Early look at 2011 - Top 20

http://nflmocks.com/files/2009/12/RyanMallett.jpg

1. Ryan Mallett - QB - Arkansas*
2. Jake Locker - QB - Washington

- I believe these two will have a very real chance at going back to back like Manning-Leaf and Couch-McNabb. Two franchise Quarterback prospects, who both would be my #1 QB prospect this year had either declared. Personally, at this point in their development, Ryan Mallett is behind Locker. That said, I l believe Mallett will build on his week to week improvement from last year, improve his footwork in and outside the pocket, and gain the trust/respect of his teammates after choosing not to go one and done at Arkansas. I just think he goes back to school with more to gain than Locker. As for Jake Locker, you better believe he's a top prospect and he'd have been a Top 10 pick this year. I don't expect either to get out of the Top 5. The importance of their position, and the fact that both profile to me as a player to build a team around, have led to them taking the top spots on my board.

http://vmedia.rivals.com/IMAGES/Player/video/AJGREEN250_0921.JPG

3. A.J. Green - WR - Georgia*
4. Patrick Peterson - CB - LSU*
5. Robert Quinn - DE - North Carolina*

- I think here you have pretty much a sure thing, #1, star caliber receiver in A.J. Green. I rate him more highly as a prospect than Michael Crabtree and Dez Bryant, right below Calvin Johnson. He possesses length, body control, athleticism, and some physicality... he profiles as a Top 5 pick in 2011 and one of the most complete WR prospects in recent memory. Peterson and Quinn are two potential stars and cornerstones of a defense. Patrick Peterson is the top Cornerback prospect since Terrance Newman, and has the experience, production, and physical skill-set to be considered one of the most prototypical top CB prospects in a long time. Robert Quinn is not a household name yet, but this time next year I would bet they'll be people here preaching him as a potential top pick. The big (6'5 256) pass-rusher recorded 11 Sacks and 19 TFL en-route to being named, as a True Sophomore, to the All-ACC First Team. Just a big, very athletic rusher, Quinn is the star of that talent laden defense in Carolina.

http://images.athlonsports.com/d/15374-1/MichaelFloyd_001.jpg

6. Julio Jones - WR - Alabama*
7. Cameron Heyward - DT/DE - Ohio State
8. Michael Floyd - WR - Notre Dame*

- This is the time you look at this class, and just see how loaded it is at the top. Julio Jones is big, athletic, physical and is capable of dominating with the ball in his hands. At 6'4 212 with sub 4.5 speed, production's really the only thing missing (not shocking considering the team's QB play and Heisman running back.) Jones steps up on the big stage and is widely considered an elite talent at WR, he definitely looks like a Top 10 pick. Cameron Heyward is a guy I'm very high on, a dominant force on defense. That said, with Heyward, I don't know where he fits in a 4-3 defense in the NFL. In my opinion, he's a better 3-4 DE prospect than 3rd Overall pick Tyson Jackson. Enormous, strong, physical, and deceptively explosive and quick. Michael Floyd is the third receiver in this draft that I'd gladly take over 2009 NFL Draft prospect Michael Crabtree. Floyd possesses a thicker frame, but also excellent body control, hands, and a knack for the big play. He'll likely see plenty of single coverage this year in Brian Kelly's system, and despite losing #1 receiver Golden Tate and QB Jimmy Clausen, Floyd's production could skyrocket. He's a Top 10 prospect now, and could make the top WR discussion very interesting.

http://72.3.135.220/media/images/article/1235105543.jpg

9. Greg Romeus - DE - Pittsburgh
10. Aaron Williams - CB - Texas*
11. Gabe Carmini - OT - Wisconsin
12. Mark Ingram - RB - Alabama*

- It will be interesting to see what happens with Greg Romeus and Gabe Carmini coming back. I think Romeus had a first round paycheck waiting for him if he declared this year, perhaps Carmini too. If both can improve their game, then they have Top 15 potential. I think both are going back to great situations, Romeus to the top team in the Big East (potential Top 10 in the country) and Carmini returns to his buddy John Clay, and a Wisconsin offense that will return all but their starting TE from a year ago (including all skill position players, QB, and all 5 OL). Aaron Williams is on his way to being a great player at Texas, and with a big year, he's a Top 10-15 prospect it would appear. Mark Ingram shouldn't surprise anyone, and I expect he'll be out of college after next season (as Alabama will start working Trent Richardson in more and more.) Ingram has the vision, balance, burst, durability, and receiving skills out of the backfield, to be considered a feature runner at the next level. I like him more as a prospect than 2009 Top 15 pick Knowshon Moreno.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2009/writers/cory_mccartney/12/29/chikfila/ryan.williams.jpg

13. Rahim Moore - S - UCLA*
14. Travis Lewis - OLB - Oklahoma*
15. Ryan Williams - RB - Virginia Tech*
16. Jonathan Baldwin - WR - Pittsburgh*

- Four more great players. Travis Lewis looks to be a top WLB prospect in any 4-3 scheme, and may have the ability to kick inside in a 3-4 scheme. Lewis is tough at the point of attack and plays sideline to sideline. At 6'2 232 with 4.5 speed, Lewis should test well, and has been one of the most productive LBs in the country the past two seasons. How will he be with the loss of DTs Gerald McCoy and Demarcus Granger? Rahim Moore is a talented ballhawk that plays some of the best center field in college football. Moore put up big numbers this year with ten interceptions, and was named a Second Team All-American as a Sophomore. He will have a chance to be a high pick in 2011 if he proves he is an elite, and complete, college safety. Ryan Williams may not have elite size or C.J. Spiller breakaway speed, but what he lacks there, he makes up for in sheer football talent and a knack for the position. Williams combines vision, acceleration, toughness, and patience. He will be a RS Soph. next year and may declare with similar success. In a loaded class of physically gifted receivers, Jonathan Baldwin, the biggest, isn't getting the publicity you'd normally see/expect. Baldwin is a big, fast, vertical threat with the ability to get the ball at it's highest point. He combines that size and speed with remarkable body control in the air, and is deceptive after the catch. Character questions bring the ultra-talented receiver down a bit here.

http://collegefootblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/adrian-clayborn1.jpg

17. Bruce Carter - OLB - North Carolina
18. Allen Bailey - DT - Miami
19. Ryan Broyles - WR - Oklahoma*
20. Adrian Clayborn - DE - Iowa

- Few Seniors in here at the end to round out the list. First, Bruce Carter from UNC, a player sure to generate plenty of buzz in his final year. Carter is one of the best athletes on a very athletic, stacked Tarheels defense. He grew up as a player this year, and should continue to grow into his physical ability. Allen Bailey is another ACC physical specimen. He'll need to take some strides on the field, but Bailey is somewhat of a freak and should be a high pick in 2011. Ryan Broyles reminds me a lot of Santonio Holmes/Mark Clayton. He's unique in this particular class, one full of huge, athletic receivers. Broyles is smaller, quicker, probably a bit more fluid, and a great route runner with great hands. I think he has more than just slot receiver potential, like Holmes. He just has a tremendous feel for the position, and he brings value also as a Punt Returner. Iowa DE Adrian Clayborn won't wow you with his triangle numbers, yet he's consistently one of the most dominant players on the field. He's a bit shorter than your average defensive end, but at 6'3 282 he plays with strength, leverage, and surprising explosiveness off the snap. He plays the run and pass, and deserves to be a first round pick due to his actions on the field.

Babylon
02-25-2010, 04:49 PM
^

If Mark Herzlich is healthy i think he is the best LB out there, probably getting him top 10 consideration.

K Train
02-25-2010, 05:02 PM
jones, floyd, green could all grade out as top 5 talents.....could be an epic class.

peterson is something else, he and heyward are my man crushes

no bare feet
02-25-2010, 05:14 PM
Is Jeremy Beal eligible next year? I think he will be a monster 3-4 OLB

RealityCheck
02-25-2010, 05:30 PM
Patrick Peterson, Robert Quinn and Jake Locker are the Top 3 players, no doubt about it.

Paranoidmoonduck
02-25-2010, 05:33 PM
2011 is just packed to the gills with skill player talent on both sides of the ball (especially offense). Figures Oakland wouldn't have a first rounder.

RealityCheck
02-25-2010, 05:36 PM
2011 is just packed to the gills with skill player talent on both sides of the ball (especially offense). Figures Oakland wouldn't have a first rounder.
:D

I love my team.

DoughBoy
02-25-2010, 05:36 PM
Chris Walker is going to make an awesome 3-4 OLB.

Paranoidmoonduck
02-25-2010, 05:38 PM
:D

I love my team.

Well...um...Seymour was kinda awesome...sorta. I laughed when he punched Felix Jones to the ground on Thanksgiving. That alone was totally worth a first round pick, right?

Right?

RealityCheck
02-25-2010, 05:39 PM
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0a1aedc3Gc042/610x.jpg
First round pick?

SenorGato
02-25-2010, 08:05 PM
Marcus Forston needs a mention.

Best NT prospect at the U since Wilfork. I can see him in his prime years playing at 6'3 335+ on the nose for a DL in any system. Good dude too from all accounts...

etk
02-26-2010, 09:35 AM
Best NT prospect at the U since Wilfork. I can see him in his prime years playing at 6'3 335+ on the nose for a DL in any system. Good dude too from all accounts...

No.

Forston is 6'2 310. He's a pass rushing specialist and an UT prospect.

He shouldn't be in this discussion anyways. He's a rSo and has hardly done anything so far.

superman8456
02-26-2010, 09:47 AM
No.

Forston is 6'2 310. He's a pass rushing specialist and an UT prospect.

He shouldn't be in this discussion anyways. He's a rSo and has hardly done anything so far.

I disagree. This DT class isn't very deep from the preseason looks of it. I can only name Allen Bailey, Marvin Austin, Lawrence Marsh, and Stephen Paea as top DT prospects.

If Forston did this: Recorded 18 tackles (13 solo, five assisted), 4.5 tackles for loss and three sacks, which tied for fourth on the team in limited time, he should get a mention when he will become a full-time starter.

etk
02-26-2010, 09:51 AM
I disagree. This DT class isn't very deep from the preseason looks of it. I can only name Allen Bailey, Marvin Austin, Lawrence Marsh, and Stephen Paea as top DT prospects.

If Forston did this: Recorded 18 tackles (13 solo, five assisted), 4.5 tackles for loss and three sacks, which tied for fourth on the team in limited time, he should get a mention when he will become a full-time starter.

I don't disagree that those other DTs aren't special (Bailey excluded), but that doesn't make Forston a top prospect for next year either. He made some plays his freshman year but he struggled a lot of the time, and coaches said that he had to put his ego in check. Last year he was injured, but even when he was healthy he struggled in the FSU game.

I'm sick of hearing his name come up as a top player when he hasn't earned it yet. Let him prove it on the field and then we'll talk.