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ThePudge
01-18-2010, 01:41 PM
I hadn't seen one of these yet, and I really felt like it should be something people paid attention to. Every year, like the Senior Bowl, a player at the Shrine Game may change their stock from the 4th Round to 1st-2nd, maybe UDFA-5th Round. Often times, the Senior Bowl will take a look at the shrine week and pick out the best players to come replace absent or injured players. So, this week of practice (the important part) starts today.


Note: For the Rosters, re-formatting was a *****... The players were listed in alphabetical order by school, though I don't care about the "University/Academy" title, so I shortened things and it looks to the naked eye as if there is no rhyme or reason to the lists.

East Roster
Ali Villanueva - TE - Army
Mike McLaughlin - ILB - Boston College
Freddie Barnes - WR - Bowling Green
Thomas Austin - OG/C - Clemson
Chris Chancellor - CB - Clemson
Kavell Conner - OLB - Clemson
Patrick Simonds - WR - Colgate
Van Eskridge - FS - East Carolina
John Skelton - QB - Fordham
Cord Howard - OG - Georgia Tech
Rodger Saffold III - OT/OG - Indiana
Rahim Alem - DE - Louisiana State
Richard Dickson - FB/TE - Louisiana State
Blair White - WR - Michigan State
Chris McCoy - OLB - Middle Tennessee State
Jamar Chaney - ILB - Mississippi State
Ross Pospisil - ILB - Navy
Willie Young - DE - North Carolina State
Mike Kafka - QB - Northwestern
Sherrick McManis - CB - Northwestern
Jim Cordle - C - Ohio State
Doug Worthington - DT - Ohio State
Jeremy Boone - P - Penn State
Daryll Clark - QB - Penn State
Andrew Quarless - TE - Penn State
Mike Neal - DT - Purdue University
Kevin Haslam - OT - Rutgers
Andre Anderson - RB - Tulane
Naaman Roosevelt - WR -Buffalo
Justin Woodall - SS - University of Alabama
Mitch Petrus - OG - Arkansas
Torell Troup - DT Central Florida
Andre Dixon - RB - Connecticut
Lindsey Witten - DE - Connecticut
Kyle Calloway - OT - Iowa
Javarris James - RB - Miami
A.J. Trump - C - Miami
Greg Hardy - DE - Mississippi
Joshua Shene - K - Mississippi
Nate Byham - TE - Pittsburgh
Darian Stewart - SS - South Carolina
Kion Wilson - ILB - South Florida
Chris Scott - OT - Tennessee
Barry Church - SS - Toledo
Nate Collins - DT - Virginia
Matt Morencie - Center - University of Windsor
O'Brien Schofield - OLB/DE- Wisconsin
Kam Chancellor - S - Virginia Tech
Sergio Render - OG - Virginia Tech
Stephan Virgil - CB - Virginia Tech
Chris DeGeare - OG - Wake Forest
Ben Staggs - OT - West Liberty
Alric Arnett - WR - West Virginia
Patrick Stoudamire - CB - Western Illinois

ThePudge's East Twelve
- Greg Hardy - DE/OLB - Mississippi
- Freddie Barnes - WR - Bowling Green
- Andrew Quarless - TE - Penn State
- Roger Saffold III - OT/OG - Indiana
- Daryll Clark - QB - Penn State
- John Skelton - QB - Fordham
- Kam Chancellor - SS - Virginia Tech
- O'Brien Schofield - OLB/DE - Wisconsin
- Doug Worthington - DT - Ohio State
- Lindsey Witten - DE/OLB - Connecticut
- Willie Young - DE/OLB - North Carolina State
- Naaman Roosevelt - WR - Buffalo


West Roster
Chris Thomas - S - Air Force
Dexter Davis - OLB - Arizona State
Dimitri Nance - RB - Arizona State
Joe Pawelek - ILB - Baylor
Max Hall - QB - B.Y.U.
Jan Jorgensen - DE - B.Y.U.
Dennis Pitta - TE - B.Y.U.
Klint Kubiak - S - Colorado State
Cole Pemberton - OT - Colorado State
Shelley Smith - OG - Colorado State
Matt Nichols - QB - Eastern Washington
Nathan Overbay - TE - Eastern Washington
Seyi Ajirotutu - WR -Fresno State
Robert Malone - P - Fresno State
Reggie Stephens - OG - Iowa State
Jeffery Fitzgerald - DE - Kansas State
Keith Toston - RB - Oklahoma State
Keaton Kristick - OLB - Oregon State
Emmanuel Sanders - WR - SMU
Chris Marinelli - OT -Stanford
Ekom Udofia - DT - Stanford
Michael Shumard - OG - Texas A&M
Marshall Newhouse - OG - T.C.U.
Brandon Carter - OG -Texas Tech
Jamar Wall - CB - Texas Tech
Reggie Carter - ILB - UCLA
Ryan Moya - FB - UCLA
Alterraun Verner - CB - UCLA
Earl Mitchell - DT - Arizona
Devin Ross - CB -Arizona
Mike Tepper - OT - California
Verran Tucker - WR - California
Riar Geer - TE - Colorado
John Estes - C -Hawaii
Kerry Meier - WR - Kansas
Todd Reesing - QB - Kansas
Darrell Stuckey - SS - Kansas
Jaron Baston - DT - Missouri
Larry Asante -SS - Nebraska
James Ruffin - DE - Northern Iowa
Brian Jackson - CB -Oklahoma
TJ Ward - FS - Oregon
Jordan Sisco - WR - University of Regina
Hunter Lawrence - K - Texas
David Reed - WR - Utah
Stevenson Sylvester - OLB - Utah
Daniel Te'o Nesheim - DT - Washington
Jason Beauchamp - OLB - UNLV
Martin Tevaseu - DT - UNLV
Kenny Alfred - C -Washington State

ThePudge's West Twelve
- Dennis Pitta - TE - B.Y.U.
- Alterraun Verner - CB - UCLA
- Larry Asante - SS - Nebraska
- Seyi Ajirotutu - WR - Fresno State
- T.J. Ward - FS - Oregon
- Jeff Fitzgerald - DE - Kansas State
- Chris Marinelli - OT - Stanford
- Kerry Meier - WR - Kansas
- Darrell Stuckey - SS - Kansas
- Reggie Carter - ILB - UCLA
- Emmanuel Sanders - WR - SMU
- Joe Pawalek - ILB - Baylor


- Discuss your thoughts, what you hear, and predictions, etc. Shrine Week is fun for draftniks, so enjoy!

AkiliSmith
01-18-2010, 01:43 PM
The weigh in is today right?

Hines
01-18-2010, 01:45 PM
When is the game again?

T-RICH49
01-18-2010, 01:45 PM
can't wait to see Darrell Stuckey tear it up

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 01:49 PM
When is the game again?

Saturday at 3 EST. And yes, I believe the weigh-in is today. Hopefully we can get ahold of those numbers somewhere by tonight and "weigh-in" (pun absolutely intended).

Giantsfan1080
01-18-2010, 01:50 PM
I'm suprised Devin McCourty isn't in this game. He's not in the Senior Bowl either so I'm not sure where he is. Rutgers usually sends most of their draftable seniors to this game.

AntoinCD
01-18-2010, 01:51 PM
If he's fully healthy then Greg Hardy will easily be the best player on show at this game

truth393
01-18-2010, 01:53 PM
I'm suprised Devin McCourty isn't in this game. He's not in the Senior Bowl either so I'm not sure where he is. Rutgers usually sends most of their draftable seniors to this game.

I'm surprised Tim Brown didn't make neither game too.

Malaka
01-18-2010, 03:08 PM
Rahim Alem > Lindsey Witten for your East Top 12 ;)

I think the east should win this game handily, just my opinion there though.

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 03:14 PM
Rahim Alem > Lindsey Witten for your East Top 12 ;)

I think the east should win this game handily, just my opinion there though.

The Twelve was actually just twelve I'd be paying special attention to, which is why I didn't put numbers next to em or anything. I may add a bit, my Top 20 prospects in the game (something like that.) The East squad looks to have a bit more in terms of a potential passing game, and should be very strong on the Defensive Line. The West matches up with an interesting blend of Safeties (Asante, Stuckey, Ward) and a corner that I find intriguing in Verner.

Initially, the East's roster appeals to me a bit more too.

Malaka
01-18-2010, 03:16 PM
The Twelve was actually just twelve I'd be paying special attention to, which is why I didn't put numbers next to em or anything. I may add a bit, my Top 20 prospects in the game (something like that.) The East squad looks to have a bit more in terms of a potential passing game, and should be very strong on the Defensive Line. The West matches up with an interesting blend of Safeties (Asante, Stuckey, Ward) and a corner that I find intriguing in Verner.

Initially, the East's roster appeals to me a bit more too.

Oh, well I definitely agree; the East's talent definitely appeals more to me as well.

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 03:22 PM
Oh, well I definitely agree; the East's talent definitely appeals more to me as well.

Keep in mind, (I'm pretty sure) we're both east coast guys. There's a lot of middle of the pack PAC-10 and Big XII players and some WAC/MWC conference guys on that West team. That said, the East appeals to me more, but there is likely more to learn (for me) on the West side.

Malaka
01-18-2010, 03:36 PM
Keep in mind, (I'm pretty sure) we're both east coast guys. There's a lot of middle of the pack PAC-10 and Big XII players and some WAC/MWC conference guys on that West team. That said, the East appeals to me more, but there is likely more to learn (for me) on the West side.

You're right I am on the East coast, but after a second glance at the West's roster the only player that really appeals to me is Dennis Pitta. I also feel that they have a pretty good safety group. However, as you said we can only learn more from this game.

princefielder28
01-18-2010, 03:37 PM
There's a ton of talent on these two rosters...should be an exciting week/game

YotoJets007
01-18-2010, 03:42 PM
Prospects that need to be diligently evaluated.

Chris Chancellor - CB - Clemson

he may be WLB at next level if he gets bigger than 235. Any lesser agile and quickness S will make him a WLB. Strong conditioning without bulking up or losing speed during bulking up should hold him at SS.

John Skelton - QB - Fordham

The word claimed him as next Joe Flacco. Whilst qb class is rather weak, he lacks stiff competition. He may be ranked higher than other qbs if he shows more than just size and arm strength.

Jamar Chaney - ILB - Mississippi State

He is tough but tough enough to play 3-4 ILB? If so then few teams that may miss out McClain and Spikes may give him a real good look.

Mike Kafka - QB - Northwestern

5 years in college but one year as full starter last year. He was in pass happy offense but he has guts and is not afraid of throwing into tight spot. The word claimed that he has improved the arm strength but what kind of arm strength do they actually talk about. Better than Warner or Brees?

Daryll Clark - QB - Penn State

Mentality and vision of his need to be checked out. Will he switch to RB or WR at next level. Because of solid arm strength, he may stay at qb.

Kion Wilson - ILB - South Florida

He may be OLB at next level but he is MLB sleeper right now. Is he legitimate or what?

Brandon Carter - OG -Texas Tech

Mammoth Guard has solid enough footwork to be Tackle at next level. I believe he is goth and he is no Abby Sciuto. Lol.

Malaka
01-18-2010, 03:47 PM
I am not buying the Skelton hype, last year Jason Boltus was all the rage and he went undrafted. I actually liked Boltus more so than Skelton.

Shane P. Hallam
01-18-2010, 03:52 PM
I am not buying the Skelton hype, last year Jason Boltus was all the rage and he went undrafted. I actually liked Boltus more so than Skelton.

Scouts are high on Skelton, much more than they were on Boltus.

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 03:54 PM
Scouts are high on Skelton, much more than they were on Boltus.

Because of superior size, pocket presence, poise? I've never seen the guy play before, but he's easily among the two most interesting QB prospects in this game (along with Daryll Clark.)

superman8456
01-18-2010, 03:57 PM
Daryll Clark has no business in the NFL. I'm sorry to say it, but it's pretty true.

He has Tebow-like intangibles, though. I wouldn't be surprised if he found a niche somewhere, but he is not NFL starting caliber.

Thumper
01-18-2010, 03:57 PM
WOW! Greg Hardy was 6'3" and 279 pounds, that is a lot bigger than expected. Is that weight he gained after injury? Who knows. Will it hinder him, make him slower?

Here are the East measurements. (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Shrine-Game-weighin-East-roster.html)
Thats from the National Football Post

Malaka
01-18-2010, 04:01 PM
Scouts are high on Skelton, much more than they were on Boltus.

What separates Skelton and Boltus? Both are tall with big arms, except I remember Boltus having unbelievable numbers like 50 TDs and 7 INTs or something like that.

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 04:03 PM
WOW! Greg Hardy was 6'3" and 279 pounds, that is a lot bigger than expected. Is that weight he gained after injury? Who knows. Will it hinder him, make him slower?

Here are the East measurements. (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Shrine-Game-weighin-East-roster.html)
Thats from the National Football Post

6037 is more 6'4. 6'3 7/8 to be exact. Still, I didn't expect him quite that stout. Quarless at a legit 6'4 1/4 248 is interesting, Lindsey Witten at 6'4 3/8 248 is another interesting one (3-4 OLB), and Willie Young at 6'4 1/2 251.

Shane P. Hallam
01-18-2010, 04:13 PM
What separates Skelton and Boltus? Both are tall with big arms, except I remember Boltus having unbelievable numbers like 50 TDs and 7 INTs or something like that.

Well, for one, Skelton is two inches taller and about 20 pounds bigger. I've been trying to search and find where I initially read some of the inside info about Skelton. If I find it, I'll post it up.

Malaka
01-18-2010, 04:17 PM
Well, for one, Skelton is two inches taller and about 20 pounds bigger. I've been trying to search and find where I initially read some of the inside info about Skelton. If I find it, I'll post it up.

Ok thank you Jboobie.. I just need some clarification on what makes Skelton better.

Thumper
01-18-2010, 04:18 PM
6037 is more 6'4. 6'3 7/8 to be exact. Still, I didn't expect him quite that stout. Quarless at a legit 6'4 1/4 248 is interesting, Lindsey Witten at 6'4 3/8 248 is another interesting one (3-4 OLB), and Willie Young at 6'4 1/2 251.

Another one is Kam Chancellor who came in at 6'3" and 232 pounds, that guy is a linebacker, no way around it now, he is big enough and he has proven that he can't handle to coverage aspect of being a SS but if you put him at WLB all of a sudden he is a smaller, quicker, athletic and good cover linebacker instead of being an oversized, slow and in the box safety.

murdamal86
01-18-2010, 04:22 PM
If he's fully healthy then Greg Hardy will easily be the best player on show at this game

I came in this thread to find out if he's really playing or just listed on the roster

Shane P. Hallam
01-18-2010, 04:27 PM
He's playing, he played in Ole Miss' Bowl Game

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 04:28 PM
I came in this thread to find out if he's really playing or just listed on the roster

I think he'll be playing. He was ready for limited action by the Cotton Bowl a couple weeks ago. We'll see how this weight affects his game, you'd like to see him about ten pounds lighter with his game.

TheSlinger
01-18-2010, 07:40 PM
No love for Sergio Render? 6'3" 318 and I've always been impressed when I saw him play, am I way off?

JFLO
01-18-2010, 08:29 PM
Freddie Barnes at a legit 6'0" is good for him. I was having a feeling he was more along the lines of 5'10"-5'11". That definitely helps him out in the end.

superman8456
01-18-2010, 08:34 PM
No love for Sergio Render? 6'3" 318 and I've always been impressed when I saw him play, am I way off?

Pretty overrated. This is going to be the biggest week of his life.

critesy
01-18-2010, 08:47 PM
watch out for jordan sisco, wr from university of regina. 6'1 200 something around that, 4.48 40 ish.

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 08:48 PM
No love for Sergio Render? 6'3" 318 and I've always been impressed when I saw him play, am I way off?

The Va Tech guys around here always stressed how much of an underachiever Render is. No doubt he's got the frame and the talent to be a starting guard at the next level, but there are serious questions about his work ethic, consistency, and desire. I'll definitely be keeping an eye on him, as superman said this is going to be a HUGE week for him.

TACKLE
01-18-2010, 08:52 PM
What the hell is Greg Hardy doing there?

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 08:58 PM
What the hell is Greg Hardy doing there?

I'm not completely sure, but I'd imagine he'll be the first player the Senior Bowl will call in for an injury/absence. Hardy should be in a league of his own here, and should be getting back into shape before the Combine.

Rosebud
01-18-2010, 09:01 PM
I'm disappointed to see Oghobaase won't be at this game.

TACKLE
01-18-2010, 09:04 PM
I'm not completely sure, but I'd imagine he'll be the first player the Senior Bowl will call in for an injury/absence. Hardy should be in a league of his own here, and should be getting back into shape before the Combine.

Maybe he's one of those guys who isn't viewed nearly as highly by scouts as he is by the media/fans. I don't care where he ends up ranked come draft time, I think when healthy, he's still the best DE in the draft.

brat316
01-18-2010, 09:05 PM
Maybe Hardy goes to both?

TitansCJftw
01-18-2010, 09:06 PM
kam chancellor 6'3" 232lbs future linebacker?

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 09:07 PM
Maybe he's one of those guys who isn't viewed nearly as highly by scouts as he is by the media/fans. I don't care where he ends up ranked come draft time, I think when healthy, he's still the best DE in the draft.

He was hurt when the invitations went out, so I'd imagine that played into it. I think he's viewed as huge durability concern right now and scouts may be thinking 4th Rd. or so. I'd imagine he'd stand out this week ang perhaps play during Senior Bowl week as well.

ElectricEye
01-18-2010, 09:15 PM
I'm disappointed to see Oghobaase won't be at this game.

You do know he's in the Senior Bowl, right?

Hines
01-18-2010, 09:23 PM
kam chancellor 6'3" 232lbs future linebacker?

If he runs well and proves he can open his hips in coverage, he'll move up draft boards.

brat316
01-18-2010, 10:10 PM
holy crap 6'9 277 TE Ali Villanaue from army

Stranger
01-18-2010, 10:38 PM
The author's comments when asked about Hardy. (from the link given earlier)

"Kyle: He looked to have carried it pretty well, but its not his weight we need to worry about, its the guys attitude, more to follow."

Anyone know what this is about?

Mr.KnowItAll
01-18-2010, 10:41 PM
There hasn't been a first or second round pick the past two years in this game. With that said it looks like they have better talent this year.

GoRavens
01-18-2010, 10:55 PM
kam chancellor 6'3" 232lbs future linebacker?

Chancellor's a machine.. He's too good of a safety to experiment at linebacker. (Darnell Bing LOL).. The guy's a stud. He's a poor man's Sean Taylor; Awesome in coverage, constantly smacking people around, and can play either strong or free safety. Watch for him to run in the 4.5's at the combine.

Thumper
01-18-2010, 10:59 PM
The author's comments when asked about Hardy. (from the link given earlier)

"Kyle: He looked to have carried it pretty well, but its not his weight we need to worry about, its the guys attitude, more to follow."

Anyone know what this is about?

Hey that was my question!

And I am willing to bet that he didn't seem to give it his all in practice.

Thumper
01-18-2010, 10:59 PM
Chancellor's a machine.. He's too good of a safety to experiment at linebacker. (Darnell Bing LOL).. The guy's a stud. He's a poor man's Sean Taylor; Awesome in coverage, constantly smacking people around, and can play either strong or free safety. Watch for him to run in the 4.5's at the combine.

So I'm just going to go ahead and say that you're a Virginia Tech fan? That is the only explanation for this.

ThePudge
01-18-2010, 11:19 PM
There hasn't been a first or second round pick the past two years in this game. With that said it looks like they have better talent this year.

2009
Darcel McBath
Sebastian Vollmer

2008
Jerome Simpson
Dexter Jackson

Mr.KnowItAll
01-18-2010, 11:29 PM
2009
Darcel McBath
Sebastian Vollmer

2008
Jerome Simpson
Dexter Jackson

My bad didn't see those second round picks.

Mr. Offseason
01-19-2010, 12:57 AM
Chancellor's a machine.. He's too good of a safety to experiment at linebacker. (Darnell Bing LOL).. The guy's a stud. He's a poor man's Sean Taylor; Awesome in coverage, constantly smacking people around, and can play either strong or free safety. Watch for him to run in the 4.5's at the combine.

Actually I disagree with a lot of this. He's a good player, but he is regularly out of position when he is playing deep as a safety and is much more comfortable when he comes up in the box. He packs a punch as a hitter, but he is not good in coverage. As a linebacker, if he added a few more pounds, his speed would be more impressive, his coverage would be much less of a liability and if he could learn to diagnose and read plays from the WLB position he could become quite the linebacker. I hope they move him there ASAP so we can see how he does. But he is an interesting prospect as far as OLB is concerned, but a disappointing one as a safety.

SenorGato
01-19-2010, 01:59 AM
I'd rather keep Chancellor at safety. His workouts will tell more, but I never thought he was in coverage. He's an active and smart safety, and I'd keep him there as long as he shows he's capable of staying there.

He reminds me of Wilson tbh...ridiculous size for the position. One of my favorite players in this draft...

FUNBUNCHER
01-19-2010, 04:41 AM
Another one is Kam Chancellor who came in at 6'3" and 232 pounds, that guy is a linebacker, no way around it now, he is big enough and he has proven that he can't handle to coverage aspect of being a SS but if you put him at WLB all of a sudden he is a smaller, quicker, athletic and good cover linebacker instead of being an oversized, slow and in the box safety.

That's what jumped out to me on that weigh in list, that Kam smells like a future OLB, which is probably the best move for him in the long run.

Can't wait to find out what he times in the 40.

OneToughGame
01-19-2010, 05:30 AM
Freddie Barnes is the man... I can't wait to watch how he does. I'd love to have him between rounds 4 - 7.. I really think he'll be a late 3rd to early 4th pick though.

nofalcons10
01-19-2010, 08:08 AM
i'm really looking forward to seeing Pat simonds from colgate. he is an intriguing small school wideout with great size.

6'5 1/2 230lbs.

DiG
01-19-2010, 09:24 AM
Reports are that Freddie Barnes was the biggest stud from day 1 of practice. Apparently, he made quite a few impressive catches and faked Barry Church out of his shoes on one play.

Brian Jackson appears to have been the man in the secondary yesterday. He's got really good NFL size at 6'2, 205 and Ill be interested to see how he stacks up at the combine if he continues to play well this week.

Skelton looks like the QB to watch this week. He's got tremendous size and a huge arm. If he can make the throws in practice all week he should fly up boards.

A couple reports mentioned Andre Dixons size as a concern but from what Ive read about actual practice, he seems to have impressed. His biggest strength is his quickness and nimble feet and a couple different reports mentioned him as the best runner in practice yesterday, hitting the holes hard.

Anyone know much about Rodger Saffold, OT? Lots of talk about him dominating the lines yesterday and getting the most consistent push. Ill be watching him this week and checking up on him to learn more.

Not only was Hardys weight in surprising, but his inconsistency in practice as well. You would expect him to dominate against this competition but word is that although he did show moments of superior talent, he got locked up by several lineman as well.

Looks like Darryll Clark has set himself on the path to UDFA. Word is he couldnt take a clean snap under center and was the worst of the qbs in terms of accuracy.

RealityCheck
01-19-2010, 09:26 AM
John Skelton ftw. He could be the next Joe Flacco.

Hines
01-19-2010, 11:00 AM
Freddie Barnes is going to be a steal. Such great hands. Perfect slot guy. Barry Church is also another guy I am high on.

YotoJets007
01-19-2010, 11:06 AM
I have a simple question. Where the f is the West coverage?

ThePudge
01-19-2010, 11:13 AM
I have a simple question. Where the f is the West coverage?

Eh, it was later on in the day. I'd love to get the measurements and practice report, but we just have to be patient. Things should start popping up today here and there if we look in the right places. The Shrine Game and Texas vs. the Nation game are always like this.

brat316
01-19-2010, 11:15 AM
Barnes I think ends up being a good possession WR, I wonder if he can beat or get separation from db in the nfl.

Scotty D
01-19-2010, 11:17 AM
Scott should send Shane to this game :D

ThePudge
01-19-2010, 11:21 AM
Freddie Barnes is going to be a steal. Such great hands. Perfect slot guy. Barry Church is also another guy I am high on.

I'm just throwing this out for the sheer sake of discussion, but how would you grade Barnes compared to former Oregon State receiver Mike Hass coming out of college?

Also, for the poster that mentioned Roger Saffold (Dirty Thirty), he was a big time player during his Senior year at Indiana. At 6'4 1/2 312, Saffold's length and bulk are far from elite, but not unheard of at the Tackle position. He apparently looked both athletic and strong during the first day of practice without pads. One has to wonder if he'll stay out at Left Tackle, or if NFL teams will view him as a Left Guard prospect. Either way, make no doubt about it, this guy is a definite possibility in the first three rounds. Right now, I'm not sure what his NFL position will be, and I think he's got a chance to be a late second-early third round player with a good week. Athletic, versatile linemen are always at a premium. One of the top five NFL prospects this week has to offer.

RealityCheck
01-19-2010, 11:22 AM
Scott should send Shane to this game :D
I'd proudly help funding his trip :D

Addict
01-19-2010, 11:22 AM
Freddie Barnes is going to be a steal. Such great hands. Perfect slot guy. Barry Church is also another guy I am high on.

I agree that Barry Church probably isn't the only thing you're high on.

ThePudge
01-19-2010, 11:25 AM
From the West, players who seem to be making good first impressions:

Oklahoma CB Brian Jackson
TCU OT Marshall Newhouse
Eastern Washington QB Matt Nichols
Texas Tech OG Brandon Carter

From the looks of it, cbssports should be covering the practices to an extent.

Pads come on today.

JhawkFitness
01-19-2010, 12:52 PM
From ESPN:

Kansas WR Kerry Meier looks every bit of his 220 pounds and is providing the West quarterbacks with a big strike zone. Meier's experience as a former quarterback was evident throughout the practice and he did a nice job of finding seams in zone looks in particular. He lacks elite speed and explosiveness, but he has the makings of an adequate possession receiver.

While Hall got off to a strong start, the same can't be said for Kansas QB Todd Reesing. There is a lot to like about Reesing's competitive attitude and ability to create outside of the pocket, but he did little to quiet concerns about his ability to be an effective pocket passer at the next level. First and foremost, Reesing isn't tall enough to scan the field from within the pocket and he struggled to see over the offensive line during the team period of practice. Similar to Hall, he lacks ideal arm strength and it too showed up during the team period.

steelernation77
01-19-2010, 01:01 PM
I'm hearing Kyle Calloway is looking like the best OL on the East squad. He's going to make a very good guard in the pros, or maybe RT.

RealityCheck
01-19-2010, 01:05 PM
Keep an eye on DE Lindsey Witten of UConn. He has the potential of a late 1st pick imo.

princefielder28
01-19-2010, 01:09 PM
Keep an eye on DE Lindsey Witten of UConn. He has the potential of a late 1st pick imo.

He'd have to have one unreal week and dominate the rest of the off-season stuff. There's so much talent and upside in this draft, that there will be plenty of players taken in round two who are of first round caliber.

DiG
01-19-2010, 01:10 PM
I'm hearing Kyle Calloway is looking like the best OL on the East squad. He's going to make a very good guard in the pros, or maybe RT.

I love Calloway and I especially love his experience in the ZBS at Iowa. I have him #9 on my OT rankings behind okung, campbell, davis, bulaga, iupati, williams, brown, and vlad.

DaBrowns41
01-19-2010, 01:14 PM
I'm hearing Kyle Calloway is looking like the best OL on the East squad. He's going to make a very good guard in the pros, or maybe RT.

I'm thinking RG is his calling. He can play RT, but if you notice, in games against quick, strong DE's, they moved him to RG and put Reiff out at RT to handle Morgan in the bowl game.

I like Calloway, though. He's a smart player.

KennyPowers
01-19-2010, 02:28 PM
How about Torell Troup, that guy is a beast.

Hines
01-19-2010, 02:29 PM
How about Torell Troup, that guy is a beast.

I was impressed with him when I saw him consistantly in Rutgers' backfield in their bowl game.

KennyPowers
01-19-2010, 02:37 PM
Yea i go to ucf, and he was double teamed throughout most of the games this season. He was a key reason that two of our DEs had 10+ sacks.

DiG
01-19-2010, 02:38 PM
West Team Practice

Coming up big
UNLV DT Martin Tevaseu had a good day in the drills. He is a squatty guy who has a really thick build. The 6-2, 340-pounder was tough to get movement on and anchors well. While he doesn't have elite foot quickness, he has enough quickness to make plays. He uses his hands well and right now he is really tough to blog. He's a two-game guy worth keeping an eye on.

Question answered
We were wondering about UCLA DL Earl Mitchell before practice started about whether or not his build would correlate to being able to set a good anchor. We got our answer during drills and it's an emphatic yes. He plays with good leverage, a strong lower body and explodes off the ball. He is good using his hands and disruptive. He's not too big at 290 pounds, but he can hold his own in a one-gap scheme and that big lower body definitely correlates to a strong anchor and allows him to be disruptive.

Short-term memory
UCLA CB Alterraun Verner is battling today. After getting beat to the inside on a slant route that was completed, he came back on the next rep and jumped an out route and made an interception. That's the kind of confidence you want to see in a cornerback that he comes back that strong after making a bad play.

They've seen this before at Eastern Washington
Eastern Washington QB Matt Nichols showed off his big arm today. He's putting good zip on the ball and also shows a nice touch on the deep ball. He just hit former teammate TE Nathan Overbay on a seam route down the middle of the field for what would have been a TD in a game.

Tips during warmups
Kennan McCardell, a 16-year NFL vet, was talking to the receivers during warmups and telling them that they can't play in the league if they get jammed by outside linebackers. He also gave a tip that they should scratch shoulder pads on crossing routes.

My name is Earl
Watching the West team warm up, we're intrigued by the thick build on Arizona's Earl Mitchell. It will interesting to see if it correlates with the 6-2, 290-pound D-lineman's ability to anchor during practice.

Players to watch in the West
As the West team starts to take the field, we'll be keeping an eye on BYU QB Max Hall and North Dakota State RB Pat Paschall.

The big question is can Hall overcome his physical limitations. His accuracy, game management and leadership all stand out in this setting and the coaches will love it, but the questions about his questions about his size (6-feet) and arm strength will linger until he proves himself.

Paschall was a last-minute add and had a strong first day and didn't appear overwhelmed by the step up in competition. The big question now is how he fares with pads on and can he continue the momentum from a good first day.

East Team Practice
That's a wrap
The horn just sounded to end the East team's practice. The West team is scheduled to take the field at 2:30 p.m. ET so check back for updates on who's doing well and who's struggling that that practice.

Checking back with Arnett
Alric Arnett continues to impress today. He got behind South Carolina DB Darian Stewart, but QB John Skelton overthrew him. But the good thing about this is it showed Arnett has the ability to stretch the field.

Good news and bad news for Kafka
QB Mike Kafka is looking good in the pocket, which is a good thing considering he played in a shotgun-set at Northwestern. He's looking poised in the pocket and he's moving around well. One concern of ours that showed up again today is his arm strength. The ball does not explode off his hand and there's not enough velocity on his downfield passes.

Something's not quite right
Penn State's Andrew Quarless might be the most physically gifted tight end here -- and that's including BYU's Dennis Pitta -- but he looks annoyed that he's having to practice. He's not dogging it or anything, but there's no extra effort, the attention to detail kind of wanes and you see it in his play and technique. Something's missing with him. He's just too good physically. If he paid attention to detail and worked like Pitta, he could come off the board in the first two rounds.

Rock you like a Hurricane
It's only been less than two practices, but Miami RB Javarris James is standing out so far. He's showing good patience as a runner. They're using a zone-blocking scheme here and he's waiting for the hole to develop and when it does, he shows the ability to plant quickly drive up the field. That will allow him to be a contributor in a zone-blocking scheme like, say, the Texans, Eagles, Vikings, etc., run. He's also catching the ball well and seems like the crafty veteran of this group and doing the right things. It's not a deep running back class this year and while James was never an elite player -- he shared carried and had durability issues as well -- he'll wind up going in the fourth or fifth round and has a chance to stick.

Schofield's learning curve
It's been interesting watching Wisconsin's O'Brien Schofield. He's switching from DE to LB this week -- and it's a traditional LB, not just a pass rusher -- so we give him credit because he's flying around, mixing it up and showing he's very coachable. Players come here to showcase their skills, but he's learning on the job and it must be a very frustrating experience. He could have probably come here, played end, rushed the passer but we wouldn't have learned anything about him. One of this defensive coaches here, Richie Solomon, who coached in the NFL at Minnesota and Arizona, has been working with Schofield and it's been like watching a high school coaching clinic. One play, Solomon will talk to him about the depths of his drops, and you'll see Schofield really working on that, but while doing that he turns his head and loses the QB. So then Solomon tells him good depth, but you can't lose vision of the QB. So Schofield will do that, but then he loses leverage on the flat route and comes too far in the middle, allowing the QB to dump it off to a back who gains seven yards instead of two. So then Solomon will mention that and on and on it goes. Every play he's learning something new but the coaches and scouts get that and in the end, we think it will end up being a positive for him.

We'll take McLaughlin any time
Boston College LB Mike McLaughlin is a bad ass. He can play on our team any time, any day in whatever we're playing. It's been only a practice and a half, but he's clearly the emotional leader of the East defense. He's limited physically and may never be a starter in the league, but he's the type of guy who makes a team better. The more guys like him you have on the back end of your roster makes your team better.

Bad day for Buckeyes
In the same 1-on-1 drills where Rodger Saffold shined, two Ohio State players struggled. OL Jim Cordle was very slow off the ball, heavy footed and lacked the initial quickness off the ball needed to make the block. Against Virginia's Nate Collins, he didn't get out of his stance quick enough, had his head down and Collins exploded out, used his hands and beat Cordle to the side. After that, Cordle did suffer a lower leg injury, but it appeared to be minor.

DT Doug Worthington lacked explosion and pop off the ball. He's kind of a one-speed guy and not changing it up. He's high out of his stance as well. We'll look for more from him during the team period.

Saffold shines in 1-on-1s
Watching 1-on-1 pass rush drills and Indiana OL Rodger Saffold stole the show. He showed great feet and stoned LSU's Rahim Alem twice, the second time putting him on the ground. On Alem's first try, he tried a spin move on Saffold, but Saffold showed nimble feet and recovered to stay in front of Alem. On a later turn, Saffold kept in front of Ole Miss' Greg Hardy off the edge. Hardy showed good explosion and pop off the end, but Saffold did a good job of shuffling his feet, mirroring and staying in front of Hardy.

All Arnett
Practice is about half-way through and West Virginia WR Alric Arnett is looking like the best receiver on the East team. We love the way he's catching the football, both in terms of focus and hands. He's snatching the ball out of the air and doing a good job of looking it in before heading up the field. He's the most impressive receiver on this team so far.

Settle down
Fordam QB John Skelton clearly has the arm and size (6-5, 245 pounds) to play in the league, but he is pressing today. He's missing his marks way too often and part of the problem is at the top of his drop, he's not doing a good job of setting his back foot and exploding off of it. He's trying to guide the ball too much instead of just throwing it.

Dropping anchor
UCF's Torell Troup and Virginia's Nate Collins anchored well and were disruptive on the defensive line during the team run period. On the flip side, Tennessee offensive lineman Chris Scott appeared slow and stiff in space.

So far, so good
Daryll Clark appears to be much more comfortable in the early part of this practice. He is throwing with better confidence and accuracy. He did overthrew 6-10 Army TE Ali Villanueva once, but so far he has looked much more confident and comfortable today. Now he just needs to keep it going.

ThePudge
01-19-2010, 02:46 PM
Another great day from Indiana's Roger Saffold, dominating 1 on 1's today. He stopped Rahim Alem twice, throwing him on the ground the second time; he also mirrored Greg Hardy off the edge and showed nimble feet despite Hardy's explosiveness off the ball.

Alric Arnett is no household name, but he's making himself look live a very draftable prospect this week. The West Virginia receiver has had two great days in a row, displaying terrific hands, focus, and is going up and getting the ball at it's highest point. Arnett measured 6'1 3/8 183 pounds yesterday.

John Skelton is sailing a few balls today. He came in yesterday, impressing those on hand with his footwork, size (6'5 244), and arm strength. Today, Skelton just isn't throwing the ball with the touch or guidance you'd like to see. The problem seems to be mostly in his dropback.

Daryll Clark is bouncing back today, and after struggling to place in space a day ago, O'Brien Schofield is working very hard today. Schofield has proven to be very coachable and willing to learn to play a standard OLB position. His best fit (at 6'2 242) is probably at OLB in a "30" front, and perhaps (perhaps) he can develop into a James Harrison-type. He's definitely struggling initially in coverage, turning his hips, keeping an eye on the QB. He's learning and improving with every rep though, and it's clear he's really pushing to have a good week and adjust for the NFL.

Javarris James has been the East's best back so far. He's shown patience, some burst, and plenty of ability out of the backfield as a receiver. James is thriving due to the ZBS they are running here and seems to be a good fit with those teams. Look for James to be a Mid-Late Round option for a team like the Texans, Eagles, etc...


- This info was acquired from a variety of places. Since none of these practices are aired on television, you have to be a scavenger. ESPN and cbssports are both on hand as well as a number of small media outlets. It also appears Draftguys are there again.

JoeJoeBrown
01-19-2010, 02:50 PM
From the National Football Post (http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/EastWest-Shrine-practice-begins.html)
(Just a few C&P from the article.)

Two up

Purdue DT Mike Neal and Ohio State DL Doug Worthington both made good first impressions on me Monday. Neal is a natural bender who displays an explosive first step and good power on contact, while Worthington looks like one of the most technically sound defensive linemen here. He does a great job staying low and balanced out of his stance while extending his long arms into contact, and even though he might lack ideal bulk to hold up inside at the next level, at nearly 6-5 and 288 pounds, he projects nicely as a potential five-technique guy.

Also:

Small school can sling it

John Skelton, Fordhamís standout quarterback, is a tall drink of water who can really spin the football. He throws a tight, clean spiral even when asked to drive the ball outside the numbers and displays much more polished footwork than expected, generating a lot of power from his lower half once his back foot hits the ground. He isnít the most gifted athlete and struggles with his accuracy when asked to reset his feet and quickly realign his body into throws, but he has a good physical skill set and looks like one of the more intriguing senior quarterback prospects in the draft.

DiG
01-19-2010, 02:50 PM
Only injury could slow down Tucker
Cal WR Verran Tucker is having an outstanding practice. He is showing great burst off the line and was probably in the lead to be the day's best receiver before pulling up while tracking a deep ball. They're working on him now and we'll see what happens from here.

Big time rush
Missouri DL Jaron Baston looked impressive rushing the passer. He's using his hands well and did a nice rip move to get inside of Texas A&M guard Michael Shumard.

Life on the edge
Rough 1-on-1 period for Cal OL Mike Tepper. He lacked lateral movement and hand placement while protecting on the edge.

Strong showing
Stanford OL Chris Marinelli is showing good technique in the drills. He's not the strongest guy, but he's showing good technique that's allowing him to succeed.

Hines
01-19-2010, 02:50 PM
I want O'Brien Schofield on the Steelers. He'd be a perfect rush backer coming off the bench.

DiG
01-19-2010, 03:08 PM
Matt Nichols (Eastern Washington) looks really good when he moves around in the pocket. Nichols did a good job of throwing on the run, and was looking to make plays downfield rather than being overly cautious with the football. The ball comes out of his hand hot, and he throws with plenty of velocity. He’s not all about the rocket, and showed good touch when throwing downfield. His ball placement was good when throwing deep sideline passes as he would regulary hit his receivers in stride over the outside shoulder. He also threw a very nice deep out, which is a crucial throw to make in the NFL.

Keith Toston (Oklahoma State) was the most explosive running back on the West team. He showed good quickness after the handoff, and I liked his inside/out ability. Toston would not try to bounce his runs outside, but when he was in the second level of the defense he’d cut towards the sidelines and turn on the speed. I liked his footwork and natural instincts for running the football.

steelernation77
01-19-2010, 03:21 PM
I love Calloway and I especially love his experience in the ZBS at Iowa. I have him #9 on my OT rankings behind okung, campbell, davis, bulaga, iupati, williams, brown, and vlad.

He would transition very easily in to a team that runs a lot of stretch, zone type plays, but with his strength and size I think he could be coached in to a power scheme as well.

keylime_5
01-19-2010, 03:24 PM
Haha, Doug Worthington is listed just shy of 6'5". He was listed at 6'8" in high school and 6'7" at Ohio State. It never fails.

princefielder28
01-19-2010, 03:47 PM
Great job providing info from various sources guys!

Scotty D
01-19-2010, 04:48 PM
Carter, OG - Texas Tech intrigues me a lot, scary dude.

Jakey
01-19-2010, 10:57 PM
"We'll take McLaughlin any time
Boston College LB Mike McLaughlin is a bad ass. He can play on our team any time, any day in whatever we're playing. It's been only a practice and a half, but he's clearly the emotional leader of the East defense. He's limited physically and may never be a starter in the league, but he's the type of guy who makes a team better. The more guys like him you have on the back end of your roster makes your team better."


Love the write up on this guy...its so true. I saw him play a few times this year, and he's like a littlre pittbull. Runs downhill, knocks you out then goes nuts. Thats the kinda play i love.

scottyboy
01-19-2010, 11:03 PM
I was impressed with him when I saw him consistantly in Rutgers' backfield in their bowl game.

uhm, did you watch the same game as I did? Because the whole UCF got dominated hardcore.

and where are the Rutgers updates!?!?

TitansCJftw
01-19-2010, 11:04 PM
any word on my boy van eskridge he's border line draftable right now hopin he can bump his stock this week/game

DiG
01-20-2010, 08:03 AM
any word on my boy van eskridge he's border line draftable right now hopin he can bump his stock this week/game

borderline undraftable!??! pfffttt. van is the man. to be honest i havent seen anything really written up on him yet. hopefully he shows up today. thats good and bad. nothing exciting but no screw ups either. hes still got another couple days to make a name.

two other notes i loved from yesterday:

The matchup between Ole Miss defensive end Greg Hardy and Indiana tackle Roger Saffold was worth the price of the flight to Orlando. Saffold controlled Hardy in most one-on-one drills, eating up a spin move, turning him and allowing him no space in which to work.

Other matchups in the trenches also piqued scouts' interest. Iowa tackle Kyle Calloway handled N.C. State's Willie Young in a similar fashion. Young's lean 6-5, 250-pound build makes him stand too tall, allowing Calloway to get leverage and anchor on the edge. Young was so anxious to get the edge on Calloway the second time around that he jumped offsides twice.

Heres a good read on Saffold for anyone who wants to know who it is eating up Hardy this week:
http://blog.imgacademies.com/2009/12/31/getting-to-know-iu-footballs-rodger-saffold/

DJC
01-20-2010, 08:12 AM
Are the practices open to the public or what? Cause I live like 30 mins from the stadium

619
01-20-2010, 10:02 AM
Are the practices open to the public or what? Cause I live like 30 mins from the stadium

I caught this when searching for info on the game:

Open practices

Shrine game practices, which are free and open to the public, continue today through Thursday outside the Citrus Bowl.

Former NFL coach Romeo Crennel will supervise the East practices from 10:30 a.m. to 12:30 p.m. daily, while former NFL coach Marty Schottenheimer will supervise the West practices from 2:30-4:30 p.m. daily.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/os-east-west-shrine-notes-0120-20100119,0,367855.story?page=2

SenorGato
01-20-2010, 10:52 AM
I'm disappointed to see Oghobaase won't be at this game.

Wtf why not?

Has he been trying to drop his stock this season?

DiG
01-20-2010, 12:19 PM
East Team
Calling it a day
The East team is calling it a day a little early today. They're huddled around the coaches and getting some final words. We'll be back here at 2:30 p.m. ET for the West practice.

He's a gamer
We've talked all week about how slow, or how exposed in 1-on-1s Bowling Green WR Freddie Barnes has been, but in game settings or the two-minute drills he's been finding ways to get open. He's showing good instincts and catching the ball in traffic. Not sure if it's enough to overcome his physical weaknesses, but take him out of individual drills and look at him in game settings, you see how he was able to be as productive as he was in college.

Mixed reviews
West Virginia WR Alric Arnett is the only reeceiver on this whole roster who can drive a DB off the ball. He's good at running guys off, or the quick slants and quick and angled routes, but he takes forever to gear down on a comeback route, out route, and those types of routes. He also loses his footing sometimes on those kind of routes.

Chuch makes some noise
Toledo DB Barry Church closes pretty well for his size. He's a little limited in terms of deep coverage but he closes and closes under control. He takes good angles and of all the DBs, he seemed to rethink the quickest and get to the ball consistently faster than any other of the corners.

One trick Tiger
LSU DL Rahim Alem is playing with a really good motor and he just beat Indiana OL Rodger Saffold with a power-to-speed move, which is when he uses a punch to knock the lineman off balance, then shoots past him. The problem with Alem is that he doesn't have great size (6-3, 260) and doesn't have the athletic ability to move to OLB. We've seen him in space already and get got caught flat-footed. Plus, he's a very one dimensional pass rusher. It's that power-to-speed move. If he doesn't not the guy off with that initial punch, he's not getting past him.

On a side note, while Saffold might have lost that one play to Alem, he's having another great practice and is one of the top linemen here.

Hi, my name is ...
There's a new defensive back on the field today. Pittsburgh's Aaron Berry is out here today and it's never easy to join in the middle of the week. Early look at Berry is that he is a quick athlete, but his instincts are questionable right now.

Nice play
South Florida DB Kion Wilson displayed good instincts and recognition skills and made a nice pass breakup during the 7-on-7s.

Good battle
A quick hitter from 1-on-1s, Clemson OL Thomas Austin was working against Ohio State's Doug Worthington in what was a nice battle. Worthington got the initial surge as he was quicker off the ball and got under Austin, but Austin reset his feet, anchored and didn't allow Worthington to get past him. It was an impressive recovery.

Collision course
Boston College LB Mike McLaughlin continues to play with high energy. He just goes all out every play. He is fearless in taking on blocks. For example, the offense ran a counter and just busted into Georgia Tech OL Cord Howard in a collision that could be heard throughout the field. He took space in the hole and helped keep the run to a minimum gain. He didn't win the battle, but he sealed the hole to keep it to a small gain, which is good enough.

Getting better all the time
Wisconsin's O'Brien Schofield is looking more and more comfortable as he transitions to linebacker. He's still developing, obviously, but during inside run periods he was the SAM linebacker and lined up over the tight end and his natural feel for the edge showed. He used his hands well and it's obvious he's still more comfortable on the line than off it, but he's getting better. He's playing with more confidence now. He's still a bit hesitant but things are becoming more and more natural for him. It will be interesting to watch him during the 7-on-7s to watch his angles, his drops, the depth he gets and his leverage.

James' stock keeps rising
Miami RB Javarris James continues to impress. During inside run drill, he is doing a good job of reading blocks. He finds a hole, makes a quick burst and gets upfield. He has a natural feel for cutbacks, it was evident in one run where he cut back to the outside for what would have been a nice game. He has been very impressive in terms of vision and quickness.

No drive
Virginia Tech OL Sergio Render is a tough player and more of a mauler than a pass blocker, so he really needs to excel as a run blocker to make up for that deficiency. But he had a tough inside run period. He didn't drive his legs though the blocks and as a result he spent a lot of time on the ground. He had a tough time moving Ohio State DL Doug Worthington off the ball.

Use your hands
Our pre-practice concerns are showing up early in practice as Michigan State WR Blair White's hands are already an issue. During position drills, he ran a post route, stumbled, fell, got up and while he still had time to make the catch, but he let the ball get to his chest, tried to trap it and couldn't secure it and it fell to the ground. A couple of reps later, he had a ball go right off his hands.

Smooth operators
Clemson LB Kavell Conner and Middle Tennessee State's Chris McCoy look smooth during bag work today.

Injury update
Ohio State OL Jim Cordle, who hurt his leg during 1-on-1s yesterday, is back on the field today and going through drills.

Warming up
Today is another day of hitting and the players will try to separate themselves from the pack a little today. While we wait for the East team to finish stretching and break into drills, here are a few guys we're watching as we wait for the East team to finish stretching.

• West Virginia WR Alric Arnett took a big step forward yesterday and has a chance to really improve his stock if he continues to play well.

• Michigan State WR Blair White is having a strong week, but one big concern with him is body catching. He doesn't drop balls, but he's trapping a lot of them against his body. We'd like to see him snatch the ball away from his frame today.

• Toledo DB Barry Church is have an average week. He hasn't done anything bad, but he hasn't done anything great either. We'd like to see him make some plays on the ball today.

RealityCheck
01-20-2010, 12:49 PM
O'Brien Schofield is a beast.

D-Unit
01-20-2010, 12:58 PM
Zero talk about Chris Scott, from Tennessee?

I noticed he weighed in at 328.. much better weight than the 346 listed on the UT site. I love him as an NFL LG prospect.

What's his report?

JHL6719
01-20-2010, 01:26 PM
Where the heck are the West measurements?

DiG
01-20-2010, 02:08 PM
early west notes

Good and bad
Cal OT Mike Tepper looked sluggish during position drills as he struggled with the lateral movements. He did show nice range getting outside on a screen pass in team drills, though.

Close, but no flag
Colorado State OT Cole Pemberton did a nice job of locking out Kansas State DT Jeff Fitzgerald. Pemberton better be careful with his hands though and keep them inside the DE because he could have been flagged for holding there. We like his upper body strength and ability to lock on the defender, but he has to watch his hands.

TitansCJftw
01-20-2010, 02:24 PM
borderline draftable!??!

i didnt say i dont think he can play in the pros i love what van has done for ecu he has started for us for all 4 years even playing OLB his freshman year but the reality to me right now is he is a 5-7th rounder at best, his timed speed isnt going to impress, he made lots of big hits for the pirates over the years and even got his INT game going as he developed in his jr sr seasons what are your thoughts?

JaxJag_1
01-20-2010, 02:44 PM
In Jacksonville we're going back to our 4-3 and scrapping any 3-4, but even so I'd love to have O'Brien Schofield. Potentially a Robert Mathis-esque player.

YotoJets007
01-20-2010, 02:48 PM
Where the heck are the West measurements?

It did not hand out at all. Only East... WTF.

DiG
01-20-2010, 04:52 PM
Calling it a day The West team just blew the horn to wrap up Day 3 of practice. We'll be back here for Thursday's practice, which starts at 10:30 a.m. ET.

Comeback kid
For a guy who didn't look very good in the first two days of practice, Cal OL Mike Tepper has bounced back nicely and is having a good practice today. He was a little sluggish getting in and out of bag work, but he was far better coming off the ball in 1-on-1 run drill and team duties. He also did a nice job of kicking out and setting the edge in 1-on-1 pass protection.

Coach's pets
Kennan McCardell, a 16-year NFL veteran whose coaching the WRs this week, apparently has taken a liking to Utah's David Reed and SMU's Emmanuel Sanders. Both Reed (6-feet, 190 pounds) and Samuel (6-feet, 183 pounds) are smaller receivers, like McCardell was when he played. He's been giving them little tips like using their elbows to push off a bit instead of sticking their arms out where the ref could see it. He's showing them how to get off the ball, and off coverage, little things that smaller receivers can do to be successful.

And one other note, as good as Reed was yesterday is how good Samuel is playing today. They are stealing the show here. Both guys are quick and both have good hands, but Samuel is the quicker of the two, while Reed has the better, stronger hands.

Wall puts coaching tips to use
Texas Tech DB Jamar Wall has been working with defensive backs coach Marlon McCree and it's paying off. McCree is working with him on his feet and when to open up out of his backpedal. One play showed the work is paying off. Wall did a good job on on a receiver who tried to run a hitch-and-go route. Wall stayed with the receiver, read the QB's eye and felt the WR gearing down, before he took back off upfield and Wall was able to open up, stay with him every step and batted the ball down. He has good instincts.

High praise
Hawaii C John Estes did an excellent job of resetting his hands and his feet during 1-on-1s. How good was it? So good that offensive line coach Ray Brown stopped and told the group that he loved Estes' hands.

Added value
OL Marshall Newhouse lined up at tackle at TCU, but they had him pulling some today. He was a little out of control but he showed enough range to get outside of the line and he sealed the end. The positive is he showed it's something he can do. He needs a little more experience but in a situation like this, it's good to show versatility.

Running game
Arizona State RB Dimitri Nance looks very sluggish is bag drills. His feet look slow, he's taking choppy steps and it looks like he's pulling a wagon on his runs. There's no burst and he looks like a one-speed back. He's not having a good practice.

But speaking of running plays (yes, it's a reach, but work with us), Colorado TE Riar Geer is showing good technique blocking. He's staying engaged in his run blocking and doing a good job.

ThePudge
01-20-2010, 07:56 PM
I think a team looking for a 3-4 Defensive End in the Middle Rounds should take a long look at Ohio State product Doug Worthington. Worthington has done well at the Senior Bowl so far, and despite standing 6'4 7/8 288. He's showcased a fair amount of moves, a relentless motor, and an ability to consistently penetrate. He's a long limbed DL who really had a good year inside at Tackle this year for the Buckeyes, registering 42 Tackles while consistently providing pressure on opposing quarterbacks. I think if a team sees him a perfect fit, they could pull the trigger as early as the 3rd Round, but for now he's probably more in the 5th-6th range. Just keep an eye out.

D-Unit
01-20-2010, 08:02 PM
I think a team looking for a 3-4 Defensive End in the Middle Rounds should take a long look at Ohio State product Doug Worthington. Worthington has done well at the Senior Bowl so far, and despite standing 6'4 7/8 288. He's showcased a fair amount of moves, a relentless motor, and an ability to consistently penetrate. He's a long limbed DL who really had a good year inside at Tackle this year for the Buckeyes, registering 42 Tackles while consistently providing pressure on opposing quarterbacks. I think if a team sees him a perfect fit, they could pull the trigger as early as the 3rd Round, but for now he's probably more in the 5th-6th range. Just keep an eye out.
For some reason or another OSU players have had a difficult NFL transition. It makes me worry about whether or not their players are often too overhyped.

ThePudge
01-20-2010, 08:07 PM
Zero talk about Chris Scott, from Tennessee?

I noticed he weighed in at 328.. much better weight than the 346 listed on the UT site. I love him as an NFL LG prospect.

What's his report?

Day Two - Chris Scott (OL - Tennessee) was great in the pit today. He handled speed rushers and power moves all the same. His feet arenít the greatest, but he plays with an aggressive style.

Today - Chris Scott (OL - Tennessee) wasnít quite as dominant in the pit as he was yesterday, but he did make a few great plays. He pushed OíBrien Schofield down after a spin move, showing great arm strength and aggressiveness. He also stoned Greg Hardy when the D-Lineman tried to come after him with a bull rush.

Brent
01-20-2010, 08:54 PM
Emmanuel Sanders is awesome, I hope he moves up some boards.

TheTerminator
01-20-2010, 09:02 PM
Blair White & Freddie Barns are going to to go late 2nd/early 3rd, both great receivers, especially White.

thenewfeature06
01-20-2010, 09:06 PM
Blair White & Freddie Barns are going to to go late 2nd/early 3rd, both great receivers, especially White.

Barns could eventually be a number 1 wideout but White is primarily a slot guy but still a steal for anybody

TheTerminator
01-20-2010, 09:12 PM
Barns could eventually be a number 1 wideout but White is primarily a slot guy but still a steal for anybody

White is NOT a slot guy, he is 6'2 and 205lbs, and will grow into his frame and cap out at around 215. In my opinion, he is an outside receiver with good speed, and that type of receiver best translates to the outside, think Sidney Rice. Rice has good, but not great, speed and is more or less the same size as White. Rice may be on the high end, maybe Kevin Walter is a better comparison, a solid, yet unspectacular #2 wideout, but a quality starter in the NFL non the less.

YotoJets007
01-20-2010, 10:13 PM
I think a team looking for a 3-4 Defensive End in the Middle Rounds should take a long look at Ohio State product Doug Worthington. Worthington has done well at the Senior Bowl so far, and despite standing 6'4 7/8 288. He's showcased a fair amount of moves, a relentless motor, and an ability to consistently penetrate. He's a long limbed DL who really had a good year inside at Tackle this year for the Buckeyes, registering 42 Tackles while consistently providing pressure on opposing quarterbacks. I think if a team sees him a perfect fit, they could pull the trigger as early as the 3rd Round, but for now he's probably more in the 5th-6th range. Just keep an eye out.

as full time starting DE? Perhaps not. He is more of Jarvis Green type DE. I am no fan of drafting OSU defensive players anymore. How is Fitzgerald doing?

crites09
01-20-2010, 10:22 PM
Can you guys get updates on how Jordan Sisco is doing? I played ball with him back in high school. He is playing in this game. He is WR from University of Regina. Thanks for any update

RedVision
01-20-2010, 10:28 PM
Can you guys get updates on how Jordan Sisco is doing? I played ball with him back in high school. He is playing in this game. He is WR from University of Regina. Thanks for any update

Jordan Sisco (Regina) continues to shine here in Orlando. He is a very smooth route runner, and his footwork is right on point. His steps are even, and itís hard for a defensive back to press him and knock him off his route. He can sky to snare the ball, and stands out on comeback routes. A potential interception was ripped away from Alterraun Verner and became a reception for Sisco. Heís the token Canadian player here in the Shrine Game, and has impressed me more than other Canadian players in the past.

from cecil lammey.

Hines
01-20-2010, 10:29 PM
Barnes will be a slot guy. He doesn't have the speed nor the seperation to be anything other than slot. Look at how the Steelers use Hines Ward. That's how Barnes will be.

crites09
01-20-2010, 10:31 PM
Jordan Sisco (Regina) continues to shine here in Orlando. He is a very smooth route runner, and his footwork is right on point. His steps are even, and itís hard for a defensive back to press him and knock him off his route. He can sky to snare the ball, and stands out on comeback routes. A potential interception was ripped away from Alterraun Verner and became a reception for Sisco. Heís the token Canadian player here in the Shrine Game, and has impressed me more than other Canadian players in the past.

from cecil lammey.

Nice thats great to hear! Thanks for the update. Its good to see us Canadian boys can play with the Americans lol

ThePudge
01-20-2010, 10:44 PM
as full time starting DE? Perhaps not. He is more of Jarvis Green type DE. I am no fan of drafting OSU defensive players anymore. How is Fitzgerald doing?

Today - Jeffery Fitzgerald (DL - Kansas State) used his speed to get past Cole Pemberton (OL - Colorado State). He then used moves on top of moves to get past Pemberton a second time in the pit.

It seems TCU OL Marshall Newhouse handled Fitzgerald well on the the first day of practice. Sometimes tough to find info on these defensive guys.

RedVision
01-20-2010, 10:45 PM
Nice thats great to hear! Thanks for the update. Its good to see us Canadian boys can play with the Americans lol

Let's hope he, like Sam Giguere, gets an invite to a camp and hang around the NFL, this league definitly needs more canadians ;)

TitansCJftw
01-20-2010, 11:21 PM
scavenger hunt found this from today:
KAM CHANCELLOR (VIRGINIA TECH-S): The 6’4” defensive back had serious issues in coverage. He was caught flat-footed a few times while trying to stay with receivers and showed poor instincts by poorly timing his breaks on the ball.

SenorGato
01-20-2010, 11:36 PM
- My thoughts on Alem are set. He's probably closer to UDFA. LSU = OSU of the SEC.

- I too don't trust OSU DL. I foolishly hold out hope for Gholston because he's on my team.

- Updates on Mike Neal, Lindsey and Witten?

- How's Haslam from Rutgers look?

Giantsfan1080
01-20-2010, 11:47 PM
According to this site Haslam really impressed today.

http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=414

Haslam was the biggest surprise of the morning and really stood out. He played right tackle exclusively and showed terrific power all day. On a number of occasions he easily handled Lindsay Witten of Connecticut and his play showed a lot of athleticism. Haslam, who did not receive a combine invite, weighed in at 304lbs. We spoke with him afterwards and he looks good in pads. 35-inch arms with room to grow.

I think he ends up as a Guard though in the NFL.

SenorGato
01-20-2010, 11:57 PM
Oh and one of my favorite sleepers in the draft:

Jeffrey Fitzgerald/DE/Kansas State: Fitzgerald was terrific and was applauded by scouts throughout most of the day. He makes a lot of athletic plays on the field. He told us afterwards he spoke at length with Scott Pioli of Kansas City and spent time with the Baltimore Ravens. The latter is interesting as we feel Fitzgerald has long term potential as a two gap end. Wed Seemed to be tiring and wearing down. Was handled a number of times. With that said, Fitzgerald’s athleticism really stood out on the field.

TACKLE
01-21-2010, 12:11 AM
Oh and one of my favorite sleepers in the draft:

I remember him bursting on to the scene at Virginia. He was very talented looked like he could be a big time prospect down the road. He kind of fell off the radar when he went to K-State but obviously the ability is still there. This guy could make some serious strides up draft boards as a 3-4 DE prospect.

nofalcons10
01-21-2010, 08:06 AM
West Team Practice

Coming up big
UNLV DT Martin Tevaseu had a good day in the drills. He is a squatty guy who has a really thick build. The 6-2, 340-pounder was tough to get movement on and anchors well. While he doesn't have elite foot quickness, he has enough quickness to make plays. He uses his hands well and right now he is really tough to blog. He's a two-game guy worth keeping an eye on.


Dropping anchor
UCF's Torell Troup and Virginia's Nate Collins anchored well and were disruptive on the defensive line during the team run period. On the flip side, Tennessee offensive lineman Chris Scott appeared slow and stiff in space.



torell troup and Martin Tevaseu will be two NTs that i will keep an eye out for saturday for the saints.

we desperately need DT help.

scottyboy
01-21-2010, 09:44 AM
HA! Haslam handeling Witten! take that forenci

YotoJets007
01-21-2010, 10:49 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/EastWest-Shrine-Game-official-weighin-results.html

about freaking time.

YotoJets007
01-21-2010, 11:03 AM
I am not happy with most of players' measurables. Best overall measurables for right position are DE Greg Hardy, OT Cole Pemberton and 3-4 OLB Willie Young.

DiG
01-21-2010, 11:36 AM
Some reviews from Wednesday:

East Team: Good Days
EAST-WEST SHRINE GAME

FB Richard Dickson, LSU
At 6-foot-3, 244 pounds, Dickson doesn't have the prototypical size to move to tight end, but he could do a lot in an H-back/FB role. He has good, not great, point of attack skills so while he doesn't explode through a hole, he shows good technique, keeps his legs under him and keeps them moving and shows good balance. He would be a solid blocker but where he'd help a team is in the passing game. He has soft, natural hands and caught the ball away from his frame during warm-ups, drills and team spots. For example, he caught a screen and showed some elusiveness by making a guy miss for a 15-yard gain. While Dickson doesn't excel in any one area, but he has enough versatility to contribute in a number of ways. He is worthy of late-round consideration.

DB Barry Church, Toledo
Church spent a lot of time today in deep middle zone coverage and that centerfielder role played to his strengths. We know his weaknesses, that he has stiffness in his hips which creates problems any time he has to change directions or track the ball or receiver, but today showed the things he does really well like reading the QB's eyes, reading his keys and protecting himself. He was reacting quicker than most of the other players in coverage on the East defense. He might not run a great 40 time, but for a 215-pound safety, he closes pretty well. It's not great closing speed, but he's quick enough to make up some ground when the ball is in the air. Another thing he does well is he fills hard in run support, but he's under control when he does it. He takes good angles and is breaking down as he approaches the running back rather than just flying in there, throwing a shoulder and lunging, which a lot of college safeties tend to do. He's among the top three DBs in this game.

DT Nate Collins, Virginia
Although undersized (6-2, 285), Collins continues to impress with his explosiveness. For example, on back-to-back plays against Rutgers OT Kevin Haslam and Iowa OT Kyle Calloway, he was so quick they couldn't block him. In the drill, they were supposed to block down on Collins and push in inside, but he was so explosive off the ball and got upfield so quickly, neither guy could stop him. We did see him get knocked down to the ground once during team period, but he was consistently disrupting plays in the backfield otherwise. He's making it very difficult for the bigger tackles to get into his frame. From a technique standpoint, one way he masks his lack of anchor is by really sinking his hips and exploding out of his stance. Picture someone getting ready to do a standing broad jump, how they get in that crouch and that's kind of what Collins is doing and it's paying off.

East Team: Bad Days

RB Andre Anderson, Tulane
Anderson was kind of underwhelming today. He never had a burst through the hole and seemed like a one-speed guy. He had problems during inside run periods really seeing the hole and was late hitting it at times. He needs to show more patience. He also struggled catching the ball in drills with a few drops. One was on a throw behind him, but he needs to make plays like that to show he can contribute in the passing game.

OL Sergio Render, Virginia Tech
We blogged about it earlier, but Render is way too much of a leaner. He does not do a good enough job of rolling his hips at the point of attack and driving his legs. He could be seen on the ground several times during the run period because he doesn't seem to have a true center of gravity and loses his balance. During team drills, he continued to lunge and ducked his head, which made him extremely vulnerable to push-pull moves from a defender (just like it sounds, the D-lineman will push the lineman, then pull him and throw him to the ground). The other big concern we have about Render is that he has yet to show he's very athletic. We didn't see it on film and haven't seen it here yet and he'll have a tough time adjusting to blocking moving targets downfield as well as redirecting in pass protection.

WR Blair White, Michigan State
He's a classic overachiever who started out as a walk-on, worked his way up to starter and was one of most productive receivers in the Big Ten this year. We love toughness, he's real instinctive and he finds a way to catch the ball in traffic almost every time. But I think his habit of catching the ball with his body will catch up to him in the NFL. He shows the ability to pluck the ball away from his frame, but he just doesn't do it very often. On shorter routes especially he is always trying to catch the ball off his pads or his body. For guy who has to do everything the right way in order to have a chance to make it in the NFL, that's a habit he's going to have to break in a hurry.

West Team: Good Days

WR Emmanuel Sanders, SMU
As good as Utah's David Reed was yesterday was how good Sanders was today. The West team really focused on one-on-ones today and he was great in his routes. He's a little undersized (6-foot, 183 pounds), but he worked with receivers coach Keenan McCardell -- who was in the NFL for 16 years despite being just 6-1, 191 pounds -- and it paid off. McCardell taught him little things about how to get off press coverage using his elbows and not extending the arms, which a referee would see. He worked with him on double moves off the line, or dipping the shoulder coming through. Sanders has the right set of tools -- quick feet, good change of direction skills -- to apply the coaching right to his game. It wouldn't surprise us in the least if Sanders and Reed both turn into pretty good No. 3 WRs in the NFL working in the slot.

DL Martin Tevaseu, UNLV
Hard to believe the 6-2, 340-pound Tevaseu could go unnoticed, but he was being overshadowed by some other players until today. He's stout against the run and does a good job of extending his arms and getting a good push. On inside run period, he got underneath Washington State OL Kenny Alfred and walked him 3 yards backward. He is raw as a pass-rusher, but he can collapse the pocket. He's a little too big right now and he'll need to lose a few pounds or conditioning will be an issue, but he has the tools to be an excellent 2-gap defender.

TE Riar Geer, Colorado
Geer has flown a little under the radar, but he had a good practice on Wednesday. He isn't the most gifted athlete and lacks an extra gear to create separation, but he runs good routes, manages to create some separation and catches the ball naturally and easily away from his frame. While he isn't a road grader as a run blocker, he does display a quick first step, gets in good initial position and does a good job staying engaged and keeping his hands inside. He showed the ability to hook the edge on outside runs and transition to block defenders on the second level.

West Team: Bad Days
DB Darrell Stuckey, Kansas
Stuckey took a lot of false steps in coverage and against play-action today. He's always peeking, always biting -- he's like a gullible little brother who you can always trick and get out of position. Yes, he's big, ripped, tough against the run and can come up and make a big hit, but all that gets erased by all the negative plays he gives up. He really struggled in the one-on-ones and while defensive backs coach Marlon McCree was trying and trying to work with him, it just didn't seem like it was getting through.

OL Chris Marinelli, Stanford
We talked about Marinelli having a down practice on Tuesday, and he did not redeem himself on Wednesday. He works hard from snap to whistle, but he didn't get any kind of movement as a run-blocker during one-on-ones or team period. Even worse, he couldn't get the job done in the pass-blocking one-on-ones. The big issue is that he gives up far too much ground, to the point where the coaches told him he has to take surrender out of his game. It was a bad day where Marinelli had trouble with both speed and power rushers.

LB Dexter Davis, Arizona State
At 6-2, 245 pounds, Davis is undersized for an end so he'd have to prove he could play in space as a linebacker and that didn't work out very well for him on Wednesday. He just didn't look natural. He was very stiff in space and he struggled with any sudden change of direction. For example, in the first team period, he went to corral North Dakota State RB Patrick Paschall on the outside, but Paschall cut back inside and Davis was unable to recover, lost his balance and nearly fell to the ground. He also struggled in man coverage. His lack of size and his struggles to play in space could send him falling into the later rounds of the draft.

DiG
01-21-2010, 11:37 AM
East practice for Thursday:

Calling it a day
The horn sounded and the East team is done for the day. We'll be back out for the West team's practice at 2:30 p.m. ET.

Another good play from Hardy
Ole Miss DE Greg Hardy just ran over Rodger Saffold in 1-on-1 pass rushing drills and just put him on his back on the way to the QB. In fairness, Saffold bounced back on the next play and had another good practice, but it's just another indication of just how good Hardy is and can be.

Skelton drills
Fordham QB John Skelton is still a little inaccurate, still a little lazy at times with his feet, but there is no question about his arm. It's just unreal. His arm is intriguing, his size (6-5, 245 pounds) is intriguing and the size of his hands and the way the ball comes out is intriguing, but his footwork is very lazy. It's going to take a lot of hands-on coaching to fix some of the mechanical problems. But then he does something like he just did in a passing drill where he zips the ball in a very tight window and it makes you look at him again. He just has a rifle for an arm and can get it in tight windows that not every QB can hit.

Not to pick on him ...
... and we're not trying to be mean here, but Virginia Tech CB Steve Virgil just got beat on a double move for a TD again. That's four times. Amazing.

Safety dance
Like we were hoping he would before practice started, Clemson S Kam Chancellor continues to show up on the back end of coverage. He did a good job of anticipating and broke up a slant route against Colgate WR Patrick Simonds. He also had an interception in the red zone 7-on-7s.

Don't bite on the fake
Virginia Tech CB Steve Virgil is a little overaggressive here at times and is getting beat on double moves. Seen it time and time again. First time, he was beaten by West Virginia WR Alric Arnett on a post-corner, where Virgil bit on the post route and got tuned inside out when Arnett went to the corner and caught an easy TD. Then Buffalo's Naaman Roosevelt burned him on a Sluggo route (a slant-and-up route). Virgil bit on the slant and Roosevelt went behind him for another TD.

In fact, he just got beat on another double move that went for a TD as we're entering this.

Something special
The East team did a little special teams work with Penn State P Jeremy Boone getting a few nice kicks off. It's a little windy today, but he was still able to get some nice punts off with decent hang time.

No rhythm
Penn State QB Daryll Clark has struggled with his accuracy during drills. He's not doing a good job of throwing with rhythm when hitting his back foot.

The fire inside
It hasn't been the best week for Ole Miss DL Greg Hardy, but we saw something positive right now. The D-linemen were doing a drill where they would line up against blockers who would do various blocking schemes (blocking down, double team, etc.) to see how the D-linemen would react and Hardy struggled to recognize the different schemes. Six different times he took false steps, or didn't use his hands, or didn't redirect once he got in the backfield.

But here's the thing, while he struggled, the good thing was he was listening to the coaching and taking the instruction and applying it. He showed a little fire in his belly, which is something we haven't seen. He should be dominating the competition, but at least we finally saw a little fire come out and it was good to see the passion.

Nice catch
Michigan State WR Blair White made a nice catch snagging the ball at the highest point on a fade route. It was just in a drill with no DBs, but for a guy who has been trapping the ball way too much here, it was worth noting how he used his hands here.

Quick off the blocks
Purdue DT Mike Neal is showing very good first step quickness during bag drills. He's been lining up next to LSU DE Rahim Alem and beat Alem off the line three straight times. That's saying a little something since Alem is a DE while Neal is a DT. Neal is having a very strong week.

Starting early
Players are out early today and it's a but of a different look today with the players not in full pads, instead they're in shorts, shoulder pads and helmets. That means the contact level will decrease some in an effort to keep the players healthy. They're backing off a little to make sure the players stay healthy. The last thing anyone wants to see is an injury that could hurt a prospect's chances at the NFL. But make no mistake about it, these workouts are still important and coaches and scouts are still watching.

A couple players to watch in today's practice:

Rutgers OL Kevin Haslam: We want to see his hands and his feet, where he puts hands and how strong his punch is. It's been an average week so far and a good day here today would leave a good impression.

Virginia Tech S Kam Chancellor: He's had a good week and is really helping his stock here. We'll be looking to see how he is on the back end in coverage.

Fordham QB John Skelton: You want to like him because of his size and arm strength, but he has questionable mechanics that always makes you pause. We want to see him put together one good practice and take some momentum into the game on Saturday.

ThePudge
01-21-2010, 11:39 AM
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/EastWest-Shrine-Game-official-weighin-results.html

about freaking time.

Yes. Some notables:

Greg Hardy 34" arm length is nice to see. However, East teammate Willie Young, has some of the most interesting measurables at 6'4 1/2 251 sporting long 34 1/2" arms and big 10 1/8" hands... those type of numbers should draw looks at both DE and OLB. Finally, Lindsey Witten of Connecticut, had a similarly great weigh in at 6'4 3/8 248, with the game's longest arms 34 5/8". Witten will need to show the athleticism necessary to play OLB at the Combine, and will need to show loose hips and some coverage potential.

Utah Safety Robert Johnson, who I'm not sure was on the original roster, weighed in at 6'2 1/8 197, with long (33 1/2") arms. I believe he's in for Larry Asante.

Kansas WR Kerry Meier in at 6'2 219.

Eastern Washington's Matt Nichols, perhaps the West squad's most impressive QB, weighed in 6'1 3/4 220.

UCLA CB Alterraun Verner came in at 5'9 3/4 181.

RB Keith Toston of Oklahoma State, who's been great all week, came in at 5'11 5/8 210. He's been the game's best NFL prospect at Running Back. He looks decisive, explosive, fast enough, and has good power, vision, and balance.

Miami RB Javarris James has had a great week of practice, and may be a getting a Mid-Round chance for a Zone Blocking team. He has shown vision, patience, and power (especially around the goalline.) He weighed in at 6'0 213.

SS Darrell Stuckey, Kansas, 5'11 1/2 207. Fine size for him.

FS T.J. Ward, Oregon, 5'10 1/8 199.

Texas Tech OG Brandon Carter has gotten a bit of love around here, and had a good weigh in at 6'5 1/2 326 sporting average arm length (33 1/4") and big hands (10 5/8").

Indiana OT/OG Roger Saffold Arm Length/Hand Use will be an important determinant in finding his pro position. His arm length, 33 1/4", is a bit short (but not unheard of) at Left Tackle, but he may be best moving inside to Left Guard.

Kansas State DE Jeffery Fitzgerald may be best suited for a job in a 4-3 scheme looking at his size, 6'3 5/8 271, with average 33 1/2" arms.

Emmaunel Sanders, WR from SMU, measured 5'10 5/8 182 with relatively short arms (31 3/4") and average hand size (9 1/8").

ThePudge
01-21-2010, 12:22 PM
For some reason or another OSU players have had a difficult NFL transition. It makes me worry about whether or not their players are often too overhyped.

There have some disappointments: Ginn, Gholston, Bobby Carpenter, maybe even Hawk for how highly he was drafted. Still, since 2004, the Bucks have still put out good talent, even in the first round.

Beanie Wells 2009
James Laurinaitis 2009 (Top 2nd Round)
Anthony Gonzalez 2007
Santonio Holmes 2006
Nick Mangold 2006
Will Smith 2004
Chris Gamble 2004

Hines
01-21-2010, 02:40 PM
Nice, I am rooting for Kam Chancellor. Sounds like he could be moving back into the top 2 rounds if he continues to do well and possibly runs well at the combine.

DiG
01-21-2010, 03:22 PM
West Team
Hands team
BYU DL Jan Jorgensen did an excellent job of slapping down Cal OL Mike Tepper's hand and ripping up through Tepper's left arm on his way to the QB. On the other side, Colorado State OL Shelley Smith is having a good practice, but he has to watch his hand placement. He went a little too far outside on a play and that's the kind of thing that can get called for holding.

D-linemen shine
Missouri DT Jaron Baston is showing good quickness off the ball and showing really active hands. He's getting into the offensive linemen. Another D-lineman making some noise is K-State Jeff Fitzgerald, who is making plays on the edge and getting his hands up and blocking passes.

Something's Bruin
UCLA CB Alterraun Verner just made a great instinctive play when he jumped a slant route for an interception. He's had some trouble with double moves and his recovery skills, but this is exactly the type of play that we love to see from him. He showed his positive traits on that play.

Read and react
Baylor LB Joe Pawelek is showing good effort, but we question his recognition skills. Sometimes, he's a little late picking things up or shoots to the wrong gap. When you have limitations athletically, you have to be great in every other area. He's good, but not sure he's instinctive enough to overcome what he lacks athletically.

Head's up
A little side note -- earlier Texas K Hunter Lawrence was kicking and he nailed the camera man, who's on top of a riser, right in the lip. It drew laughs from many on the field. Don't think the camera man laughed.

Rain man
The rain is really coming down now and BYU Max Hall's struggles are continuing. He is having some troubles gripping the ball and he's really missing on some throws.

Battle royale
A great head-to-head matchup was Colorado State OG Shelley Smith going against UNLV DL Martin Tevaseu. They played like they were still in full pads and were really getting after it. Every time, they fired off at each other, got good fits and just battled to a stalemate. It was fun to see the fire there.

Blown away
The wind is really picking up here as storm clouds are rolling in and it's beginning to have an effect on some players. BYU QB Max Hall is struggling with his accuracy now. He never had the strongest arm so it's making him work a little harder to get the ball where he wants it to go.

Nothing gets by him BYU TE Dennis Pitta continues to impress and he is just a vacuum in the red zone, bringing in everything thrown his way. He's dominating the red zone drill and will be an excellent red zone target at the next level.

Playmakers
Fresno State WR Seyi Ajirotutu is making plays in the red zone drill with two TD catches, including one time going over UCLA DB Verran Tucker in the back of the end zone and getting his feet down for the TD.

Route running 101
Colorado TE Riar Greer is doing well on his route running and showing good burst but what he needs to work on is working in underneath zone coverage. He ran a sit down route and didn't give his QB a good lane to throw. He went outside when he needed to be inside. Just needs to be better at giving throwing lanes and finding open windows.

Injury note
The trainers are working on Texas A&M OL Michael Shumard. We don't know what is wrong but if we find out, we'll pass it along.

Rip it good
They are practice rip moves on the defensive line with the bags where the goal is for the defender to slap the bag, rip though and then bend around the end on the next bag. Arizona DL Earl Mitchell is doing a good job of getting a hard slap and ripping through, but he's not doing as good bending around the corner. Missouri DT Jaron Baston, on the other hand, is doing good at bending the corner, and is getting a decent slap, but he's not bringing his arm through on the rip move.

Ram tough
Colorado State OL Cole Pemberton does a good job of using his long arms and locking defenders out during pass protection. He also moved well laterally on a zone running play. play. The concern about him is at 6-7, he has a hard time staying low. That's important because it creates leverage on run blocking and helps balance when pass blocking.

One more thought
Bottom line is we want to see guys who want to be here right now. That's what separates half the players in the NFL -- the ones who want to be there and are willing to do whatever it takes to succeed. It's Day 4 here and some fatigue might be setting in, but you'll be able to tell the players who want to be here.

D-Unit
01-21-2010, 04:43 PM
There have some disappointments: Ginn, Gholston, Bobby Carpenter, maybe even Hawk for how highly he was drafted. Still, since 2004, the Bucks have still put out good talent, even in the first round.

Beanie Wells 2009
James Laurinaitis 2009 (Top 2nd Round)
Anthony Gonzalez 2007
Santonio Holmes 2006
Nick Mangold 2006
Will Smith 2004
Chris Gamble 2004
If you can only name 7 in a 6 year span then, that is horrible for the standards they are held to/noted for.

ThePudge
01-21-2010, 05:06 PM
If you can only name 7 in a 6 year span then, that is horrible for the standards they are held to/noted for.

First Round Success

Since 2004

Texas
Brian Orakpo 2009
Michael Griffin 2007
Vince Young (?) 2006
Cedric Benson 2005
Derrick Johnson 2005
Busts: Michael Huff, Marcus Tubbs, Roy Williams (?)

LSU
Glenn Dorsey 2008
LaRon Landry (?) 2007
Dwayne Bowe 2007
Joseph Addai (?) 2006
Busts: Michael Clayton, Marcus Spears, Craig Davis, JaMarcus Russell

- I believe USC and Miami were the only teams that had more first round picks. Ohio State seems to fall on the same line as the two schools above. I just don't see anything about OSU that screams overrated NFL prospects, even if there is an unnecessary media hype around their players occasionally. The defensive schemes are fairly diverse and NFL style, and the blocking schemes on offense are largely standard. Maybe players come into the draft process a bit overrated to the eye of the public, but I don't see any kind of strange pattern about Buckeyes in the First Round/NFL.

D-Unit
01-21-2010, 06:05 PM
First Round Success

Since 2004

Texas
Brian Orakpo 2009
Michael Griffin 2007
Vince Young (?) 2006
Cedric Benson 2005
Derrick Johnson 2005
Busts: Michael Huff, Marcus Tubbs, Roy Williams (?)

LSU
Glenn Dorsey 2008
LaRon Landry (?) 2007
Dwayne Bowe 2007
Joseph Addai (?) 2006
Busts: Michael Clayton, Marcus Spears, Craig Davis, JaMarcus Russell

- I believe USC and Miami were the only teams that had more first round picks. Ohio State seems to fall on the same line as the two schools above. I just don't see anything about OSU that screams overrated NFL prospects, even if there is an unnecessary media hype around their players occasionally. The defensive schemes are fairly diverse and NFL style, and the blocking schemes on offense are largely standard. Maybe players come into the draft process a bit overrated to the eye of the public, but I don't see any kind of strange pattern about Buckeyes in the First Round/NFL.
As someone mentioned above... I also agree... that LSU is the OSU of the SEC. Texas is fine. Many times their players are better in the NFL than they were at Texas.

SenorGato
01-21-2010, 06:15 PM
If you can only name 7 in a 6 year span then, that is horrible for the standards they are held to/noted for.

The two schools are decent at secondary and WR talent, but it's not true elite talent at either position up to this point.

ThePudge
01-21-2010, 06:22 PM
As someone mentioned above... I also agree... that LSU is the OSU of the SEC. Texas is fine. Many times their players are better in the NFL than they were at Texas.

I was going to mention Florida as well, but with Derrick Harvey, Reggie Nelson, and Jarvis Moss all coming to mind at first, I thought LSU would be a better SEC option to pick. I tried to find the teams since 2004, that had the most 1st Round picks. I looked around in major conferences. From what I saw, the only two teams the put out better players decisively were Miami and USC.

JoeJoeBrown
01-22-2010, 01:38 AM
If you can only name 7 in a 6 year span then, that is horrible for the standards they are held to/noted for.

I'm not singling you out here for this rant, I'm just replying in general about the anti-OSU junk I see around. This also applies for any school.

I can understand YotoJets being gun shy due to VG being a debacle (no idea why he was drafted so high, Lawrence Wilson was supposed to be the world beater that year but broke his leg). But judging a player based solely on a handful of players from the past is silly. The converse is true when trying to say for example that OSU produces great DBs and giving a kid the benefit of the doubt due to someone like Winfield or Springs playing well. It should be a factor, but not a big one.

If a kid being from OSU filters him out for someone, good luck with that. All kids need to be looked out sans hyperbole. That's how good scouts earn their money.

OSU has consistently turned out NFL talent. Players are players and the NFL will throw them away if they aren't. Follow the money. Good players tend to go to big money schools.

Look at the top schools historically for NFL talent. Notre Dame, USC, OSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Michigan, Tennessee, PSU, Texas, and Miami

http://www.askmen.com/top_10/fitness_100/110_fitness_list.html

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-footballfactories031609&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

Current active NFL players as of 2008 (quick search):

wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_college_team_has_the_most_nfl_players_on_the _NFL_rosters

But you know all of this already. I understand that people get tired of fans of teams overhyping their players. But you shouldn't let the past history thing of other individuals get in the way of evaluating individual talent.

Also, you'd be hard pressed to name many omg awlsum defensive players from the past 5 years for any one school off of the top of your head. USC is about the only one jumping out at me. In particular the sick amount of elite LBs that they have spit out lately is ridonkulous.

Back to the main topic, I think the assessment of Worthington is spot on. He will be solid pick in the 4th-6th round. A rotation player that could be a 5 technique guy. I think he is not meant for DT in the 4-3, but I could be wrong. His weight is actually down due to OSU wanting to play him early on this season at DE. His frame could take more if they needed him to. IMO, he would be ideal as a big minute backup DE in a 3-4.

Scotty D
01-22-2010, 12:37 PM
Don't forget this game is on TV! Saturday at 3 EST ESPN2

ThePudge
01-22-2010, 03:30 PM
Don't forget this game is on TV! Saturday at 3 EST ESPN2

I want to fish around a bit and see if we can find that Starting Rosters for both teams. If I can find that, I already have all the measurements/practice updates (a great job by Dirty Thirty and other contributors here), I'm going to put together a little or comprehensive game watch-list.

OneToughGame
01-23-2010, 01:29 PM
Games on soon, who's going to be watching?

DiG
01-23-2010, 01:48 PM
im gonna try to catch some of it. i set the dvr though so ill watch it in detail later.

critesy
01-23-2010, 01:50 PM
i am, looking out for my boy jordan sisco, wr on the west team, measured in at 5'11 214. played high school ball etc. with him.

TitansCJftw
01-23-2010, 01:57 PM
me! me! *raises hand* :p

Unbiased
01-23-2010, 02:03 PM
Why do we have to wait for this terrible basketball game?

BeerBaron
01-23-2010, 02:04 PM
Get this pumpking pushing the **** off.....start the game! Stop the madness! Start the game!!

Scotty D
01-23-2010, 02:06 PM
ARGHHHH this is so frustrating

TitansCJftw
01-23-2010, 02:07 PM
Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

XRage
01-23-2010, 02:10 PM
espn360.com is showing it live

Giantsfan1080
01-23-2010, 02:13 PM
This is ridiculous. I can't even get ESPN360 and these crappy teams need to get off.

XRage
01-23-2010, 02:18 PM
Quick recap for those who couldn't watch until the basketball game was over:

-Stevenson Sylvester got two quick tackles near the line of scrimmage to start the game

-Alterraun Verner fumbled a punt return but made a great hustle play to get back to the ball if not actually fall on it.

-Dennis Pitta bobbled the ball and failed to get his feet in bounds on a catch near the sideline.

-O'Brien Schofield got an interception on a late throw over the middle by Max Hall

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2010, 02:20 PM
Schofield's pick is big for him at LB, as they said. Apparently Kafka hasn't been able to do too much. Excited for Seyi Ajirotutu as well who had a nice catch.

XRage
01-23-2010, 02:25 PM
Schofield's pick is big for him at LB, as they said. Apparently Kafka hasn't been able to do too much. Excited for Seyi Ajirotutu as well who had a nice catch.

It was a great play by him. It looked like he made a great read on the play because he had a pretty good head of steam by the time he caught it. Not one of those interceptions where it was thrown right at him but moreso one of those ones where it looked like he baited the QB and jumped the throw. Definitely a good display of instincts for a guy that is not a natural at the position.

Giantsfan1080
01-23-2010, 02:26 PM
Schofield's pick is big for him at LB, as they said. Apparently Kafka hasn't been able to do too much. Excited for Seyi Ajirotutu as well who had a nice catch.

Ajirotutu is very underrated right now. He needs to learn how to block better but he's going to come into the NFL and do well right away. What round do you think he'll go?

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2010, 02:38 PM
Ajirotutu is very underrated right now. He needs to learn how to block better but he's going to come into the NFL and do well right away. What round do you think he'll go?

I think he could go as high as the 3rd round. Very underrated right now, but the type of WR teams could take a chance on earlier than people think.

Scotty D
01-23-2010, 02:38 PM
There are no good kickers anymore.

XRage
01-23-2010, 02:39 PM
Rodger Saffold looks to be struggling to finish his blocks. He's definitely got the feet to play LT but I'd like to see him sustain his blocks and play to the whistle.

BufFan71
01-23-2010, 03:02 PM
that 6'10 guy seems to have a stuttering problem

Halsey
01-23-2010, 03:03 PM
Andre Dixon's hair looks ridiculous and goofy. Any team that signs him should require him to get a new stylist or something.

TitansCJftw
01-23-2010, 03:07 PM
represent van ECU ECU ECU :D

TheSlinger
01-23-2010, 03:10 PM
Daryll Clark making himself some money right now. Looks good.

Babylon
01-23-2010, 03:18 PM
Freddie Barnes just got more airtime for running a bad route than anyone i've ever seen.

underscore
01-23-2010, 03:23 PM
Daryll Clark making himself some money right now. Looks good.

Scouts watch the practices, not the games. Might take the edge off a bad week of practice a little, but that's about it.

Look at the passes he's throwing, too...all out patters or dump offs after a roll out. Pretty high percentage stuff.

Babylon
01-23-2010, 03:25 PM
Scouts watch the practices, not the games. Might take the edge off a bad week of practice a little, but that's about it.

Look at the passes he's throwing, too...all out patters or dump offs after a roll out. Pretty high percentage stuff.

Clark looks like the best QB of that bunch today. The inability to put any real offense in doesnt help any of these guys.

ChiefMojo
01-23-2010, 03:36 PM
I'm watching OL, LB, WR and S this first half since those are some positions the Chiefs will be looking at heavily.

A few players that caught my attention...

I liked what I saw out of Darrell Stuckey. So far he hasn't been tested deep (which people consider his one weakness), but he looked very good against the run and against the short/medium passing game.

I think Freddie Barnes looks like he will be a good #3 WR. He isn't a burner, but he is sure hands with a lot of good strength.

I like the Calloway kid out of Iowa who is a OL.

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2010, 03:37 PM
Scouts watch the practices, not the games. Might take the edge off a bad week of practice a little, but that's about it.

Look at the passes he's throwing, too...all out patters or dump offs after a roll out. Pretty high percentage stuff.

Scouts watch both, don't fool yourself on that.

Unbiased
01-23-2010, 03:37 PM
I'm ready to see Skelton.

Cicero
01-23-2010, 03:54 PM
Scouts watch both, don't fool yourself on that.
This. It's a lot easier to look good during 7 on 7s.

Bengals78
01-23-2010, 04:15 PM
Wow, who is this Greg Hardy guy? And when did he show up?

Babylon
01-23-2010, 04:16 PM
Wow, who is this Greg Hardy guy? And when did he show up?

Just thought the same thing, didnt even notice he was there. When on he's as good as they come.

Bengals78
01-23-2010, 04:18 PM
Just thought the same thing, didnt even notice he was there. When on he's as good as they come.

Michael Johnson part 2? First round talent, 3rd round motor?

Babylon
01-23-2010, 04:19 PM
I love how McShay comments on Tim Tebow like he really knows what he's talking about.

Babylon
01-23-2010, 04:21 PM
Michael Johnson part 2? First round talent, 3rd round motor?

I think what has made it tough to figure out is with all the injuries does that make it look like he's a malcontent?. I think he's a lot more of a talent than Michael Johnson.

I love Griese talking about Tebow not having an NFL arm. Neither did you Brian and you lasted a decade or so.

Scotty D
01-23-2010, 04:35 PM
love me some Blair White

scottyboy
01-23-2010, 04:37 PM
haven''t been able to watch, how's Haslam looking?

Shane P. Hallam
01-23-2010, 04:38 PM
haven''t been able to watch, how's Haslam looking?

Hasn't done much of anything.

brasho
01-23-2010, 04:42 PM
With Skelton's big arm and flat feet (when he throws), he looks to have a lot of Jeff George in him. (physically)

Texas Homer
01-23-2010, 04:42 PM
Is Klint Kubiak - S - Colorado State a legit NFL prospect?

I wonder if younger Kubiak could be on the "Kyle Shanahan plan" and go into coaching.

I actually watched a couple of Colorado st. games and Kubiak seemed like a heady, Johnny-on-the-spot type of player. I know that doesn't make him an NFL prospect........I'm just saying.

brasho
01-23-2010, 04:43 PM
So far, I think the most impressive performance of the game was when whoever that was found the complete rosters for both teams.

scottyboy
01-23-2010, 04:44 PM
Hasn't done much of anything.

well he IS an OT. Kinda hard to stand out with big plays and such. No negatives is a good thing

Texas Homer
01-23-2010, 04:45 PM
Also it was cool to hear that K Hunter Lawrence drilled 47 yd. FG.

keylime_5
01-23-2010, 04:48 PM
- My thoughts on Alem are set. He's probably closer to UDFA. LSU = OSU of the SEC.

- I too don't trust OSU DL. I foolishly hold out hope for Gholston because he's on my team.

- Updates on Mike Neal, Lindsey and Witten?

- How's Haslam from Rutgers look?


Will Smith seems to be doing quite well (leading NFC in sacks an all). Gholston I think the warning signs were there. While at OSU there were some games where he was a nobody and didn't register a tackle or pressure, and there were some games where he was unblockable. I wouldnt bother with guys like Doug Worthington and Darrion Scott and Kenny Peterson who are/were really 'tweeners who aren't big and strong enough for the NFL as DTs or 5 Techs, and not quick and athletic enough for DE....but I think Cam Heyward next year will be worthwhile.

brasho
01-23-2010, 04:49 PM
Anybody else notice that whenever Ali Vilanueva's name is mentioned he keeps on growing? He went from 6'8 at the weigh-in, to 6'9 an hour or so ago, and 6'10 about 15 minutes ago. I hope the poor guy stops growing soon, that's gotta be painful.

regoob2
01-23-2010, 04:53 PM
White is NOT a slot guy, he is 6'2 and 205lbs, and will grow into his frame and cap out at around 215. In my opinion, he is an outside receiver with good speed, and that type of receiver best translates to the outside, think Sidney Rice. Rice has good, but not great, speed and is more or less the same size as White. Rice may be on the high end, maybe Kevin Walter is a better comparison, a solid, yet unspectacular #2 wideout, but a quality starter in the NFL non the less.
He absolutely is a slot WR. He's not very big for his size. If he's not a slot WR then he wont be drafted. He's a great route runner.

underscore
01-23-2010, 04:57 PM
Quarless only targeted a few times, but he made the most of them. He looked good today.

JRTPlaya21
01-23-2010, 04:59 PM
Kafka in the clutch! Yay East!!

Babylon
01-23-2010, 05:00 PM
love me some Blair White

How's the speed?, routes look good.

CC.SD
01-23-2010, 05:04 PM
Michael Johnson part 2? First round talent, 3rd round motor?

Hmm I think you may actually be referring to a certain Florida Gator this time around.

Hines
01-23-2010, 05:25 PM
I missed the game. :(

Who looked good? Who looked shaddy?

RealityCheck
01-23-2010, 05:31 PM
How was Skelton's performance?

MidwayMonster31
01-23-2010, 05:36 PM
Skelton definitely passes the eye test. The announcers were talking about his work ethic and leadership being possible red flags.

brasho
01-23-2010, 05:39 PM
Skelton definitely passes the eye test. The announcers were talking about his work ethic and leadership being possible red flags.

Wow, my comparison to Jeff George (arm and bad footwork) might be even closer then.

TheSlinger
01-23-2010, 05:43 PM
He's not very big for his size.

I think I know what you mean but this sentence makes me giggle :)

brasho
01-23-2010, 05:48 PM
Yeah, I assume he means doesn't play as big as his measurements or that he plays small... I agree, he doesn't even look nearly as big as he measured out, of course I expected Villanueva to be a head bigger than most people considering the announcers said he was 6'10 near the end of the game...though he was listed at 6'8 though he seems to have pretty shorts arms for his height.

Babylon
01-23-2010, 05:49 PM
I missed the game. :(

Who looked good? Who looked shaddy?

Defensively:

Hardy showed some nice closing speed.
Eskkridge made a nice play on an int.
Schofield looked the part at LB
Same for Walker of UCLA
Witten might be a keeper

Offense:

Blair White looks like a solid receiver
Freddy Barnes seemed ok
Dennis Pitta just gets open and catches nearly everything
Quarles made a big grab at the end

Qbs looked weak to me

brasho
01-23-2010, 05:56 PM
That TE/FB from LSU looked good.

Scotty D
01-23-2010, 06:15 PM
How's the speed?, routes look good.

Hard to tell. I mean I wouldn't take him expecting him to be a #2 so I think he has enough speed for what he needs. He's a former walk on (work ethic) and does all the little things right. A guy I'd like to have as my #3 or 4.

TACKLE
01-23-2010, 06:31 PM
Michael Johnson part 2? First round talent, 3rd round motor?

No, not at all. Hardy is a excellent DE who has been very productive throughout his whole career. He plays the run as well as any DE in this draft and I've seen him chase down guys from the backside numerous times. The only limiting factors on him as a prospect and player is injuries. He just can't seem to stay healthy. If he didn't have the injury concerns, he's probably be viewed as the consensus #1 DE in this draft class.

RedVision
01-23-2010, 06:46 PM
That TE/FB from LSU looked good.

he kinda looked like a bigger jacob hester, that was funny.

YAYareaRB
01-23-2010, 07:55 PM
Dennis Pitta is a beast

cvv84
01-23-2010, 10:06 PM
Defensively:

Hardy showed some nice closing speed.
Eskkridge made a nice play on an int.
Schofield looked the part at LB
Same for Walker of UCLA
Witten might be a keeper

Offense:

Blair White looks like a solid receiver
Freddy Barnes seemed ok
Dennis Pitta just gets open and catches nearly everything
Quarles made a big grab at the end

Qbs looked weak to me

You have to love O'Brien Schofield's bloodlines. He's cousins to Bobby Engram and Vonnie Holliday. I'm really hoping a 3-4 team drafts him.

JoeJoeBrown
01-23-2010, 10:27 PM
I salute you brave souls that watched the game to get a look at the players. Good lord it was boring.

Halsey
01-24-2010, 12:22 AM
This Draft is just begging for someone like a Mike Kafka to have a great pre-Draft process and move way up team's boards. I could easily see one of these less heralded QB's working his way into the 3rd or maybe even second round.

MidwayMonster31
01-24-2010, 01:21 AM
Kafka has a chance to be a good backup or fringe starter in the NFL. He has solid physical tools and has taken snaps under center. His arm strength is nothing to write home about, but his football IQ and decision making will help him.

regoob2
01-24-2010, 02:38 AM
What does that mean "he is not really big for his size" kinda makes no sense. 6'2 205lbs is not small, and he is pretty fast, and after today's game if he has a good combine he could go late 2nd/early 3rd. Freddie Barnes came up pretty big too, keep an eye on these two.
People see 6'2 205 and assume that he's muscular and physical. Didnt see it. No one's going to draft him to be a starting WR. He's nothing special. He's definitely going to be a slot guy STer.

J-Mike88
01-24-2010, 07:49 AM
I salute you brave souls that watched the game to get a look at the players. Good lord it was boring.
They said attendance was only about 8 thousand. That's awful, less than many minor league beisbol games.

J-Mike88
01-24-2010, 07:50 AM
You have to love O'Brien Schofield's bloodlines. He's cousins to Bobby Engram and Vonnie Holliday. I'm really hoping a 3-4 team drafts him.
Me too... perhaps one with green & gold in their team colors. :)

J-Mike88
01-24-2010, 07:52 AM
UCLA CB Alterraun Verner: Guys, why is this guy rated so high? I don't see the ability that warrants so much talk about the guy. I think there are many better CB prospects. Many many.

BlairWitchProject
01-24-2010, 09:15 AM
People see 6'2 205 and assume that he's muscular and physical. Didnt see it. No one's going to draft him to be a starting WR. He's nothing special. He's definitely going to be a slot guy STer.

Well Mr. White went out there yesterday, and racked up more yards and catches against the cream of the crop as far as competition as an outside receiver. He lead all receivers in those 2 categories, a bit lean I admit that, but he is only 22 years old, he will grow into his frame in a year or 2 and settle in at around 215lbs, give or take a pound or two. Ive read an article that states that he is shooting for sub 4.45 in the 40 at the combine, I don't know if he is that fast, but high 4.4 to low 4.5 at the combine seems attainable. If he runs that, late 2nd is a very good possibility.

Spartan4224
01-24-2010, 10:39 AM
Well Mr. White went out there yesterday, and racked up more yards and catches against the cream of the crop as far as competition as an outside receiver. He lead all receivers in those 2 categories, a bit lean I admit that, but he is only 22 years old, he will grow into his frame in a year or 2 and settle in at around 215lbs, give or take a pound or two. Ive read an article that states that he is shooting for sub 4.45 in the 40 at the combine, I don't know if he is that fast, but high 4.4 to low 4.5 at the combine seems attainable. If he runs that, late 2nd is a very good possibility.

I would be very surprised if he ran in the 4.4's. Being an MSU fan I hope that he would, but I just didn't see 4.4 speed in college. I think he will run a low 4.5, but his strength is his route running and hands not speed. He will be a very good possesion guy in the NFL a lot like Kevin Walter who went to Eastern Michigan and is now the second receiver on Houston. He does look like a small 6'2 205 but probably plays stronger than most guys his size. I think he will be another solid MSU receiver in the pros. Maybe have a career like another Spartan, Mushin Muhammad.

thenewfeature06
01-24-2010, 11:42 AM
Couple Notes on the worst game ever until the end.

-Didn't even hear Hardys name until maybe the 3rd
- Roger Saffold looked decent besides a couple false starts
- Kam Chancellor did better then i thought he would as far as covering deep and rotating over at 234 lbs
-Blair White : I like his route running ability and pretty solid hands dove for a couple inaccurate balls
-Kafka ran the 2 minute NFL offense pretty well; very smart with decision making
-Dennis Pitta looks striclty like a recieving TE

brat316
01-24-2010, 12:57 PM
Kam going to become Lb? I would hope they try him at safety first but I just don't think he has the man cover abilities. Playing deep is easier since he would have just have to play more smart and rely less on his athleticism.

FUNBUNCHER
01-24-2010, 01:51 PM
Kam going to become Lb? I would hope they try him at safety first but I just don't think he has the man cover abilities. Playing deep is easier since he would have just have to play more smart and rely less on his athleticism.

Thing is, Kam has 'looked' like a LB since his sophomore year at Va Tech, but still plays at a high level as a rover/SS. I think he can cover TEs, FBs, and some slot WRs. Chancellor has playmaking ability in the secondary, if his instincts hold up on the next level, I would keep him at SS.

If he flames out, he can always make the switch to OLB.

RedVision
01-24-2010, 04:01 PM
If he flames out, he can always make the switch to OLB.

indeed, he always was more physical than Rouse.

Shane P. Hallam
01-24-2010, 05:19 PM
See my breakdown of the Risers (and some highlight tape for those who missed watching the game):

8xKURVr0ptY

YotoJets007
01-24-2010, 09:41 PM
See my breakdown of the Risers (and some highlight tape for those who missed watching the game):


I still think your typing is faster than your video talking. lol.

Anyway, this game was so so so so so freaking slow. That means none of them are standout to me enough to be 2nd rounders, not even 3rd rounders.

I think the terminology for being good hands need to be changed. Some of you guys claimed that Blair White has good hands. WTF is that? He never caught a single ball with damn hands.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
01-24-2010, 09:53 PM
See my breakdown of the Risers (and some highlight tape for those who missed watching the game):

8xKURVr0ptY

That faint music in the background is pretty annoying, but other than that, great vid.

nofalcons10
01-25-2010, 04:41 AM
See my breakdown of the Risers (and some highlight tape for those who missed watching the game):

8xKURVr0ptY

how did pat simonds, torrell troupe, and martin taveseu perform?

what round do you see quarless going in?

superman8456
01-25-2010, 08:42 AM
Andrew Quarless is about a 4th-6th round talent, but he will probably get pushed up a lot since there are only Hernandez, Gresham, Pitta, Arizona TE with the really long last name, and maybe a few others ahead of him.

ChiefMojo
01-25-2010, 03:49 PM
I'm glad Shane at the end of your vid you brought up Darrell Stuckey out of Kansas. I know his one knock is his tendency to bite on a play action, but outside of that he is a very intelligent, hard nosed, great inside the box, good athlete and has high character. He will definitely will be one of those Safeties in the NFL that won't be afraid to stick his nose into a tough situation and will be terrific at Special Teams.

Shane P. Hallam
01-25-2010, 04:03 PM
how did pat simonds, torrell troupe, and martin taveseu perform?

what round do you see quarless going in?

Simonds didn't do anything, and I don't think Troup or Tevaseu got a lot of playing time.


I think Quarless will go around the late 4th-early 5th round as an all around TE.


I'm a big Stuckey fan, just didn't want to piece together the tape, which would have made this over 10 minutes.

nofalcons10
01-26-2010, 09:34 AM
Simonds didn't do anything, and I don't think Troup or Tevaseu got a lot of playing time.


I think Quarless will go around the late 4th-early 5th round as an all around TE.


I'm a big Stuckey fan, just didn't want to piece together the tape, which would have made this over 10 minutes.

as a saints fan, quarless interests me. we usually carry 4 tightends, 3 being active on gameday.

hopefully someone will post some scouting videos of him before the draft. quarless seems to be a good blocker and receiver from what i hear. he could step right in an help make us less predictable in two tightend sets if he is as good as what im reading.

i like stuckey alot too but the saints are set at SS with roman harper and Chip vaughn. kam chancellor at free safety might be a guy we take a look at in rounds 4-5.

we really need NT help and that is why i asked about troupe and Teveseau.

niel89
01-26-2010, 09:33 PM
Does anyone know if Ekom Udofia (DT from Stanford) did anything? I know some people were looking at him as a NT prospect.

kjaeh
02-22-2010, 02:13 PM
well he IS an OT. Kinda hard to stand out with big plays and such. No negatives is a good thing

Exactly! Overall Haslam had a good game. Had one play where the Hawaiian kid got inside on him but I think it was more of a feeling out play as Haslam dominated him on almost every play. FYI...Haslam played most of the game with a wrist that got tweaked up on him and was basically going at it with just one hand.

Haslam had one of the best weeks of practice and by all accounts was the most impressive body during weigh-ins. 6ft5 304 and not gut on him at all. Arms almost as big as most thighs.

kjaeh
02-22-2010, 02:18 PM
HA! Haslam handeling Witten! take that forenci

Only makes sense...During the UConn/RU game Witten/Haslam matched up for about 65 plays. Witten didnt even sniff a tackle.