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bigbluedefense
03-13-2007, 10:28 AM
Trade our 1st and 3rd to the Steelers for Casey Hampton. Would you make that trade?

I think doing this would be beneficial for several reasons.

1. Casey is a monster, and can swallow the run in any scheme, and make our dline impossible to block

2. We can run the 3-4, and our LB needs suddenly disappear. In fact, our front 7 would be solidified with this simple move alone.

3. Pitt is overhauling their roster, they could use extra picks and probably would consider it.

4. It would allow us to use our in house talent at its best positions. We have the talent to make the switch rather easily, all we need is a NT. I know Spags is a 4-3 guy, but he pretty much runs the same scheme as Wade Phillips, and has had a little experience in the 3-4, so maybe its not too far fetched after all.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 10:56 AM
you could put tuck and kiwi at the LB. i dunno if would do it or not i would have to watch film on hampton. its sounds interesting.

ricky bobby
03-13-2007, 12:21 PM
Not in a million years. We aren't switching to a 3-4.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 12:44 PM
Not in a million years. We aren't switching to a 3-4.
its just a thought its not a bad idea either. what would we do with robbin and cofield? maybe a 1st and 4th rounder though

NY+Giants=NYG
03-13-2007, 12:46 PM
Never ever.. Lets just keep our damn picks.. Steelers drafted Hampton, so lets follow suit, and use our first round pick in a smart way, and draft someone who can be an impact player.

BigBlue58KiperIII
03-13-2007, 01:15 PM
No way, i would trade 2 first day picks for very few players in this league aside from the elite, but no way, lets keep out picks and build through the draft they way you have to these days.

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 01:20 PM
No way, i would trade 2 first day picks for very few players in this league aside from the elite, but no way, lets keep out picks and build through the draft they way you have to these days.i agree with what your saying but try to think aboutthis idea for asec. if we had a nose tackle. we have 2 demarcus ware type players with kiwi and tuck. imagine our pass rush, it would be incredible. our DB play would substantially increase by a huge margin.

ricky bobby
03-13-2007, 02:31 PM
I updated my mock draft. If you are interested in big athletic NTs, you'll like my last pick.

BigBlue58KiperIII
03-13-2007, 02:53 PM
I know what you're saying hugpunch but Spags isnt a 3-4 coach and although Hampton is a stud inside, i just dont think it would serve the overall benefit of the team at this point considering we have some other holes to fill

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 05:17 PM
I know what you're saying hugpunch but Spags isnt a 3-4 coach and although Hampton is a stud inside, i just dont think it would serve the overall benefit of the team at this point considering we have some other holes to fill
yea true, it would be kinda sweet though if we did something like that.

hugegmenfan
03-13-2007, 05:51 PM
never- isnt casey hampton already like 28 or so? we need to get younger and i think we can improve in the draft with defensive players without trading away the trade for a good NT to also switch around our whole defensive scheme

hugepunch
03-13-2007, 06:01 PM
he will be 30 this year. it would be interesting to do. but i wouldnt want to give up any draft picks.

Slasher28
03-13-2007, 07:09 PM
NO, Reese is messing up stuff, and even he wouldn't make this trade, Hampton is not worth two potential starters for us in one or two years. We need youth so we can build around them for the future

joepas171
03-13-2007, 07:20 PM
NO, Reese is messing up stuff, and even he wouldn't make this trade, Hampton is not worth two potential starters for us in one or two years. We need youth so we can build around them for the future

Messing up what stuff? So far so good for Reese. We do need youth. We dont need overpriced vets. If we were committed to going to a 3-4 then this trade could work. that doesnt appear to be happening tho. keep the picks

bigbluedefense
03-14-2007, 10:37 AM
It was just a thought. Here's my reasoning behind it.

In the 4-3, we have "holes" at both OLB spots, and UT in the front 7.

Thats 3 holes.

With Casey Hampton, we have no holes in the front 7. That simple realignment and player aquistion makes our front 7 very solid. We have 2 stud MIKEs, now we can use them both. We have 2 stud rushbacker types, now we can use them both. The only problem would be NT, and thats where Hampton comes in. Coffield can play his natural 3-4 DE position, and Strahan is more than adequate to man the other position.

Now our only defensive weakness comes in the secondary. Now if Pitt would take just a 1st for Hampton, than thats great. I was just throwing the idea out there of getting Hampton. And remember, 3-4 NTs can play productively for a long time. Hampton has at least 5 years left in the tank. We can easily draft a replacement for him later on.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-14-2007, 10:45 AM
It was just a thought. Here's my reasoning behind it.

In the 4-3, we have "holes" at both OLB spots, and UT in the front 7.

Thats 3 holes.

With Casey Hampton, we have no holes in the front 7. That simple realignment and player aquistion makes our front 7 very solid. We have 2 stud MIKEs, now we can use them both. We have 2 stud rushbacker types, now we can use them both. The only problem would be NT, and thats where Hampton comes in. Coffield can play his natural 3-4 DE position, and Strahan is more than adequate to man the other position.

Now our only defensive weakness comes in the secondary. Now if Pitt would take just a 1st for Hampton, than thats great. I was just throwing the idea out there of getting Hampton. And remember, 3-4 NTs can play productively for a long time. Hampton has at least 5 years left in the tank. We can easily draft a replacement for him later on.


Why dont we just be patient and draft well in the first round? That's what Pittsburgh did. Also, they arent afraid to spend first rounders on trench players as well. Perhaps the solution isnt what you mentioned, but rather, be patient, build from within, and have the sac to go with the unpopular, unsexy, o or d linemen from time to time.

hugepunch
03-14-2007, 10:59 AM
It was just a thought. Here's my reasoning behind it.

In the 4-3, we have "holes" at both OLB spots, and UT in the front 7.

Thats 3 holes.

With Casey Hampton, we have no holes in the front 7. That simple realignment and player aquistion makes our front 7 very solid. We have 2 stud MIKEs, now we can use them both. We have 2 stud rushbacker types, now we can use them both. The only problem would be NT, and thats where Hampton comes in. Coffield can play his natural 3-4 DE position, and Strahan is more than adequate to man the other position.

Now our only defensive weakness comes in the secondary. Now if Pitt would take just a 1st for Hampton, than thats great. I was just throwing the idea out there of getting Hampton. And remember, 3-4 NTs can play productively for a long time. Hampton has at least 5 years left in the tank. We can easily draft a replacement for him later on.i really like your style of thinking big blue, the only concern i have is that osi would be in your plans for LB, i know what justin tuck can do he needs to get on the field full time some how with this scenario. maybe we could initiate a trade with osi at his full value. we could get a alot for him what are your thoughts big blue?

bigbluedefense
03-14-2007, 11:38 AM
i really like your style of thinking big blue, the only concern i have is that osi would be in your plans for LB, i know what justin tuck can do he needs to get on the field full time some how with this scenario. maybe we could initiate a trade with osi at his full value. we could get a alot for him what are your thoughts big blue?

No, start Osi, use Tuck as a situational pass rusher out of the 3-4, and as a DE in the nickel package.

You can have 3 rushbackers on the field at once, BP used to do it in the 80s. If That would really throw off the offensive line. Especially if you move Tuck inside situationally and have him do an ILB blitz.

hugepunch
03-14-2007, 11:49 AM
No, start Osi, use Tuck as a situational pass rusher out of the 3-4, and as a DE in the nickel package.

You can have 3 rushbackers on the field at once, BP used to do it in the 80s. If That would really throw off the offensive line. Especially if you move Tuck inside situationally and have him do an ILB blitz.
yea i was thinking that. thats probably a better idea. god i hope we get a coach that brings back the the 3-4, we have the perfect players our defense would be amazing. i bet big barry C would turn into a force at the end. it would be like 1986 all over again. :twisted: lets draft frank okam next year and do this big blue i say we send thousands of letters to mr.mara.. we cant be denied

Jughead10
03-14-2007, 12:14 PM
We don't have one down lineman that fits for the 3-4. Sure Strahan could pull it off. But for maybe one more year.

hugepunch
03-14-2007, 12:41 PM
We don't have one down lineman that fits for the 3-4. Sure Strahan could pull it off. But for maybe one more year.
we have strahanahan, big barry C juice, mary poppins robbins. then we would have casey hampton so it would be barry, casey, mike.. that is a good front 3 big juggs.

Jughead10
03-14-2007, 12:45 PM
we have strahanahan, big barry C juice, mary poppins robbins. then we would have casey hampton so it would be barry, casey, mike.. that is a good front 3 big juggs.

I don't think Cofield could play end. Actually I'm sure he could play it, but not as effectively as we would want. Coming out of college I thought Barry could play 3-4 End very well but after watching him a hell of a lot more since he started every game for the Giants, I just don't think he could cut it.

bigbluedefense
03-14-2007, 01:55 PM
I don't think Cofield could play end. Actually I'm sure he could play it, but not as effectively as we would want. Coming out of college I thought Barry could play 3-4 End very well but after watching him a hell of a lot more since he started every game for the Giants, I just don't think he could cut it.

He could hack it for a year. 3-4 End is also an easy position to find talent in. Top tier talent is of course round 1 material, but as long as they can hold blocks, thats good enough.

I know it won't happen, I just had to get my 3-4 fix in for the day. I think we do have the pieces for it, and can make an easy transition if we grab a NT. Thats the key though, we need an NT, and thats where Hampton wouldve came in.

Number 10
03-16-2007, 06:49 AM
How about we try building a defense with our own players via the draft?

bigbluedefense
03-16-2007, 10:59 AM
How about we try building a defense with our own players via the draft?

If you think about it, we would be.

The only out of house talent that would be in the front 7 is Casey Hamtpon and AP (who's pretty much one of us now). We would have Chase (in house), AP, Osi (in house), Kiwi (in house), Coffield (in house) and Strahan (in house). We would draft a later round DE in the scheme which would be in house etc.

Most of our talent would be in house. All this does is utilize our current roster on defense to its best abilities. We have 2 good ILBs, we have 2 good rushbackers, we have a 3-4 DE playing NT, all this would do is use them all to their strengths.

I know it won't happen, but it would make sense to me.

ricky bobby
03-16-2007, 11:30 AM
I Agree with Number 10. We should not trade away our draft picks.

I was also wondering if the Steelers are switching to a 4-3. They are paying a lot of attention to Lawrence Timmons, who does not fit in a 3-4.

Forenci
03-16-2007, 01:22 PM
I know you're just throwing around the idea, but it still would be a terrible idea. Switching to the 3-4 would be a quick fix to our defense that wouldn't actually assure us a good defense.

I thnk it's primarily a bad idea because it would force our secondary to cover exceptionally well with our linebackers constantly blitzing. We'd get torn up consistently. Just look at the Chargers not too long ago. Sure they had a beast front 7, but because they lacked depth and amazing players at secondary they got torn up by the deep ball.

The reason teams like the Patriots and Steelers run it so well is because they've got an amazing secondary to go along with those linebackers and D-Linemen. Even the Steelers started to slump on defense a bit more without some of their playmakers in the secondary.

The 3-4 is appealing because of the pressure it brings. In the long term though, it costs a lot of picks on draft day for the defense and ultimately hinders you for the long term.

Also, trading a first rounder and third rounder for a guy who MIGHT have five years is definently not worth it. I love what Reese has done so far, and if he did something like that I would probably cry.

Number 10
03-16-2007, 03:25 PM
If you think about it, we would be.

The only out of house talent that would be in the front 7 is Casey Hamtpon and AP (who's pretty much one of us now). We would have Chase (in house), AP, Osi (in house), Kiwi (in house), Coffield (in house) and Strahan (in house). We would draft a later round DE in the scheme which would be in house etc.

Most of our talent would be in house. All this does is utilize our current roster on defense to its best abilities. We have 2 good ILBs, we have 2 good rushbackers, we have a 3-4 DE playing NT, all this would do is use them all to their strengths.

I know it won't happen, but it would make sense to me.

But we would be giving up picks that would be used to build our homegrown D.

NY+Giants=NYG
03-16-2007, 03:50 PM
I Agree with Number 10. We should not trade away our draft picks.

I was also wondering if the Steelers are switching to a 4-3. They are paying a lot of attention to Lawrence Timmons, who does not fit in a 3-4.

Rumor is they may switch to a 4-3 or cover 2.

OSUGiants17
03-18-2007, 04:52 PM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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