Senior Bowl Thread

[Hurricanes25]

I wish I could have bought myself an RV while still in college....

I wonder how much it cost Boise.

[lionsfan320]

I'll admit that I don't know as much about the second and third rounders as you guys do, but I've been trying to catch as much of the North practice as I can, being that the Lions coaching staff is coaching the team and all, but from what I've seen, the guys that are standing out to me are...

DB from Rutgers, McCoutry (sp?) I think. Dude has been mirroring every player he's been covering step for step. I don't know about his speed, or ball skills or whatever, I'm just saying he's staying step for step with all the receivers he's covering.

Brandon Graham from Michigan. He looks small, and his arms look short, but he's a beast out there. The guy can flat out rush the passer. I don't know how far his size issues will make him fall, but he's a player.

Kyle Wilson from Boise State. Mike Mayock has been drooling over this guy. I seen him jump a route and pick one off the other day. Not saying that makes him good, but at the time, no one else was picking off passes.

Offensive Lineman from Notre Dame. I can't think of his name right now, but he's really tall, and has some long arms. He was stoning guys left and right. I didn't see him get beat once.

and lastly, WR from clemson. Can't think of his name either.. (sorry guys, I told you I didn't know a lot about the 2nd-3rd rounders!) He was blazing fast, didn't drop any balls, juked a couple of guys out of their shoes, and ran great routes.

Just some things that stood out to me while watching the practices. I am by no means a draft expert lol. EDIT: out of all of these guys, I would say the kid from Rutgers has impressed me the most.

[Sniper]

The OL from ND was probably Sam Young (He's 6'7") and the WR from Clemson is Jacoby Ford.

[Texas Homer]

The OL from ND was probably Sam Young (He's 6'7")

What is Sam Young's draft stock?? 2nd? 3rd rounder?

Is he a projected RT in the NFL?

[Sniper]

What is Sam Young's draft stock?? 2nd? 3rd rounder?

Is he a projected RT in the NFL?

I'd be stunned if he goes in the 2nd or 3rd round.

[BeerBaron]

Probably a mid-rounder and definitely a projected RT I think.

[Sniper]

Probably a mid-rounder and definitely a projected RT I think.

He'll have to go to a run-heavy team. I really don't like him as a prospect and it's got nothing to do with where he played. He's extremely slow, gets killed by speed rushers, doesn't play with great leverage and has very limited mobility. I could see a run-heavy team like the Panthers taking him as a backup to Otah, though.

[dabears10]

He'll have to go to a run-heavy team. I really don't like him as a prospect and it's got nothing to do with where he played. He's extremely slow, gets killed by speed rushers, doesn't play with great leverage and has very limited mobility. I could see a run-heavy team like the Panthers taking him as a backup to Otah, though.

Sam Young is terrible. He should be a late round flyer. He can't move to guard and he is strictly a below average right tackle. He just is not very good.

[SKim172]

From watching the recorded recaps, I'm wondering if the North corners are just good or if the North passers and receivers are just bad.

Tebow looks horrible.

Also, somewhat off-topic, but Lindsay Soto must be really tall. Tebow's 6'3" - Lindsay Soto's up to his eyes.

[Mr. Offseason]

I'd be stunned if he goes in the 2nd or 3rd round.

So would I. He never impressed me when I watched him this season, and I even thought he might have to slide inside at one point. He doesn't handle speed well at all.

[Primetime21]

I wonder how much it cost Boise.

I heard it was his brothers idea/project and he did all the graphics/painting.

[lionsfan320]

yeah, sorry guys.. those guys I talked about may be utter garbage overall.. I'm just saying they looked good in the senior bowl practice.

[brasho]

He was supposedly one of the fittest players at the weigh-in.

Rolle should have been. He hasn't played football in over a year and has nothing to do but workout and study. And because he's smart, you know he's not going to pull a "Cody" and sit around wishing for his dream to come true while downing a box of creme-filleds and washing them down with Kool-Aide

[senormysterioso]

Rolle should have been. He hasn't played football in over a year and has nothing to do but workout and study. And because he's smart, you know he's not going to pull a "Cody" and sit around wishing for his dream to come true while downing a box of creme-filleds and washing them down with Kool-Aide

HAHAHA!!! "All" he had to do was stay in amazing shape while earning a masters degree from Oxford in MEDICAL ANTHROPOLOGY!! Whereas guys like Terrance Cody were busting they're asses playing 15 snaps a game. I'm not slamming you here, I get what you're saying and I agree with you...I just disagree with how you said it. To imply that Rolle has been taking it easy is way off base. I think it's more impressive that Rolle showed up in the kind of shape he's supposedly in than guys that had strength and conditioning coaches up their asses as well as athletic scholarships that they stood to lose.

[brasho]

HAHAHA!!! "All" he had to do was stay in amazing shape while earning a masters degree from Oxford in MEDICAL ANTHROPOLOGY!! Whereas guys like Terrance Cody were busting they're asses playing 15 snaps a game. I'm not slamming you here, I get what you're saying and I agree with you...I just disagree with how you said it. To imply that Rolle has been taking it easy is way off base. I think it's more impressive that Rolle showed up in the kind of shape he's supposedly in than guys that had strength and conditioning coaches up their asses as well as athletic scholarships that they stood to lose.

What I'm saying is Rolle, though at a very difficult school in Oxford, is certainly a near genius and can likely handle the course-load fairly easily. Though football is certainly active, players generally are in far worse shape AFTER the season than BEFORE because of the nicks and injuries that prevent them from working out the way they want. Rolle has been completely healthy for the past year whereas other athletes have been pounded on, nicked, bruised, stretched, pulled, jammed, cracked, and crunched for the entire fall.

I'm not slamming Rolle at all here, he did what he shold have done. The other players had to not only workout and study (like Rolle) but had to play football 4-5 days a week. No, the other players aren't taking a course-load or curriculum nearly as difficult as Rolle, but most of them aren't nearly as smart as him either.

[JoeJoeBrown]

I NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF CEREAL TEBOW ATE FOR BREAKFAST AND HOW HE ATE IT!

His utensil technique, specifically the usage of the spoon, is key for evaluating his transition to the pros.

We need to see if he can master the Coryell scoop technique after being in a spread cereal system for so many years.

For those not understanding how difficult this could be, let me explain. The Coryell scoop is very timing centric, where the scoop must be coordinated with the head dip and slurp. The eater is in a relaxed position and examines the bowl from a far and then commits to an area to scoop. If the timing is off, the cereal and milk will go everywhere, much like a spastic child that has one too many bowls of Cocoa Puffs. However, the reward is great for a proficient Coryell cereal eater, as the eating of the cereal is quick, efficient, and is poetry in food consumption.

As mentioned above, Tebow comes from the spread, where he used to sit upright, away from the bowl, then suddenly dipped his head towards it, much like an ostrich. With his face hovering a mere inch above the bowl he would make a quick evaluation of the situation and make a choice of one of three options:
1) The direct scoop where he would keep his face staring at the bowl and quickly dip and slurp whatever was in front of his face. This technique is optimal for a crowded bowl.
2) The side scoop left or right. Similar to the direct scoop, however, he would turn his head left or right and quick dip from the side he was facing. Best for halfway empty bowls where the cereal tends to cluster on the sides.
3) The chug is an all or nothing where Tebow would throw the spoon aside and grasp the bowl with two hands and chug it like wine from a giant chalice. Best attempted at the end of the bowl when there is no cereal left. This can be dangerous if there is some cereal left in the bowl.

NFL teams rarely employ the spread cereal technique. It risks injury to the eater (see the chug), has a slow approach to the bowl, and puts a lot of snap decision making on the eater, which makes for poor reads at the bowl.

As you can see, the spread cereal eater is just not equipped for the smooth, surgical precision required by a eater in the Coryell cereal attack. This is why we need to see how much Tebow has progressed since the season has ended.

[ironman4579]

I NEED TO KNOW WHAT KIND OF CEREAL TEBOW ATE FOR BREAKFAST AND HOW HE ATE IT!

His utensil technique, specifically the usage of the spoon, is key for evaluating his transition to the pros.

We need to see if he can master the Coryell scoop technique after being in a spread cereal system for so many years.

For those not understanding how difficult this could be, let me explain. The Coryell scoop is very timing centric, where the scoop must be coordinated with the head dip and slurp. The eater is in a relaxed position and examines the bowl from a far and then commits to an area to scoop. If the timing is off, the cereal and milk will go everywhere, much like a spastic child that has one too many bowls of Cocoa Puffs. However, the reward is great for a proficient Coryell cereal eater, as the eating of the cereal is quick, efficient, and is poetry in food consumption.

As mentioned above, Tebow comes from the spread, where he used to sit upright, away from the bowl, then suddenly dipped his head towards it, much like an ostrich. With his face hovering a mere inch above the bowl he would make a quick evaluation of the situation and make a choice of one of three options:
1) The direct scoop where he would keep his face staring at the bowl and quickly dip and slurp whatever was in front of his face. This technique is optimal for a crowded bowl.
2) The side scoop left or right. Similar to the direct scoop, however, he would turn his head left or right and quick dip from the side he was facing. Best for halfway empty bowls where the cereal tends to cluster on the sides.
3) The chug is an all or nothing where Tebow would throw the spoon aside and grasp the bowl with two hands and chug it like wine from a giant chalice. Best attempted at the end of the bowl when there is no cereal left. This can be dangerous if there is some cereal left in the bowl.

NFL teams rarely employ the spread cereal technique. It risks injury to the eater (see the chug), has a slow approach to the bowl, and puts a lot of snap decision making on the eater, which makes for poor reads at the bowl.

As you can see, the spread cereal eater is just not equipped for the smooth, surgical precision required by a eater in the Coryell cereal attack. This is why we need to see how much Tebow has progressed since the season has ended.

Long but good. + rep.

[Saints-Tigers]

All reports(and what I can see) says Sam Young just has terrible pad level, even if he is big and pretty strong. I've heard he hasn't gotten lower than his opposition one time even.

[JoeJoeBrown]

Long but good. + rep.

Thank you. I'm like Greg Oden with good knees.

[yourfavestoner]

What I'm saying is Rolle, though at a very difficult school in Oxford, is certainly a neat genius and can likely handle the course-load fairly easily. Though football is certainly active, players generally are in far worse shape AFTER the season than BEFORE because of the nicks and injuries that prevent them from working out the way they want. Rolle has been completely healthy for the past year whereas other athletes have been pounded on, nicked, bruised, stretched, pulled, jammed, cracked, and crunched for the entire fall.

I'm not slamming Rolle at all here, he did what he shold have done. The other players had to not only workout and study (like Rolle) but had to play football 4-5 days a week. No, the other players aren't taking a course-load or curriculum nearly as difficult as Rolle, but most of them aren't nearly as smart as him either.

I don't care how smart you are, earning a Master's degree is not easy. Especially in Medical Anthropology at Oxford University.

I'd almost guarantee that Rolle spent more hours in a classroom and in a library than most of these players spent on studies and football combined. Dude graduated from FSU in 2.5 years and still earned a 3.75 GPA and then got his Master's Degree in a year.

But yeah, I'm sure it was easy and he had plenty of free time to keep himself in NFL shape.

[yourfavestoner]

All reports(and what I can see) says Sam Young just has terrible pad level, even if he is big and pretty strong. I've heard he hasn't gotten lower than his opposition one time even.

Heavy-legged waist bender. Unless he can become more flexible in the hips, he offers next to nothing as an NFL player.

[HeavyLeggedWaistBender]

Heavy-legged waist bender. Unless he can become more flexible in the hips, he offers next to nothing as an NFL player.

He gives a bad name to HLWBs.

[CC.SD]

He gives a bad name to HLWBs.

Don't worry you can always hang your hat on Marcus McNeill.

[YAYareaRB]

I watched the 11on11 today. Happy to see Joique Bell scored.

[DoWnThEfiElD]

I watched the 11on11 today. Happy to see Joique Bell scored.

I know a few kids that played with him at Wayne State, happy to see him getting a shot with the big boys.

[thenewfeature06]

Kyle Wilson rolled up to Senior Bowl in this.

http://media.idahostatesman.com/smedia/2009/09/03/08/0903-online-wilsonbus1.standalone.prod_affiliate.36.jpg

This is so legit.

[thenewfeature06]

Pretty sure Kyle Wilson could easily go in the first round. The NFL recently has been a passing league and will continue to most likely be a passing league and the need of a corner is something alot of the late round teams could use.

[brasho]

I don't care how smart you are, earning a Master's degree is not easy. Especially in Medical Anthropology at Oxford University.

I'd almost guarantee that Rolle spent more hours in a classroom and in a library than most of these players spent on studies and football combined. Dude graduated from FSU in 2.5 years and still earned a 3.75 GPA and then got his Master's Degree in a year.

But yeah, I'm sure it was easy and he had plenty of free time to keep himself in NFL shape.

Actually, I thought earning a Masters was easier than my BA... and my BA easier than my HS Diploma. Seriously, as the classes became more focused, they seemed to get easier, or perhaps I learned how to study and excel.

Obviously, I'm aware of how smart Rolle is, I wouldn't have said he was a "near genius" if I didn't. Either way, Rolle didn't likely have to study 16 hours a day and I'm sure he was able to dedicate ample amounts of time to getting himself ready as well he should have.

[brasho]

DId anybody else read the South practice observations from yesterday?

"Tebow had some low throws and the way he handles the ball in the pocket, bringing it way down by his waste, is just inviting defenders to slap it away."

That's disgusting... he brings the ball all the way down to his waste? I guess that is one way to avoid interceptions. The DBs don't know if he's flinging a footbal or fecal matter.

[ryno626]

I wish I could have bought myself an RV while still in college....

Don't these guys get some sort of loan or salary advance when they sign with an agent?

[Babylon]

Don't these guys get some sort of loan or salary advance when they sign with an agent?

Ask Andre Smith.

[CC.SD]

DId anybody else read the South practice observations from yesterday?

"Tebow had some low throws and the way he handles the ball in the pocket, bringing it way down by his waste, is just inviting defenders to slap it away."

That's disgusting... he brings the ball all the way down to his waste? I guess that is one way to avoid interceptions. The DBs don't know if he's flinging a footbal or fecal matter.

Tebow's waste turns into a beautiful dove carrying an anti-abortion banner as it flies through the air.

[djp]

I just don't understand the people that act like Tebow is supposed to fix his problems in one week of practice with the microscope that he is under.

Fixing a throwing motion and mechanics is not something that can be done with 3 days of NFL coaching. The people covering the Senior Bowl are just looking for something to write about. I think every single NFL GM that has watched Tebow understands that the most important facet of this week is that he is willing to learn and trying to decipher whether he can be changed or not.

Teams that are thinking about drafting Tebow are not looking for the kid to come into camp and set the world on fire. He's going to look bad throwing the ball folks, anyone who watched a Florida game the past 3 years could have seen this coming.

I just find it hilarious that some bloggers/writers are coming to such extreme conclusions when anyone with a brain knew exactly what was going to happen this week.

Ask yourself this question. Does Tebow have physically what it takes to be a successful NFL QB? If you answered yes, and you're an NFL GM, you would consider drafting him as a project QB. That's what GMs are trying to figure out.

[JoeJoeBrown]

I just don't understand the people that act like Tebow is supposed to fix his problems in one week of practice with the microscope that he is under.

Fixing a throwing motion and mechanics is not something that can be done with 3 days of NFL coaching. The people covering the Senior Bowl are just looking for something to write about. I think every single NFL GM that has watched Tebow understands that the most important facet of this week is that he is willing to learn and trying to decipher whether he can be changed or not.

Teams that are thinking about drafting Tebow are not looking for the kid to come into camp and set the world on fire. He's going to look bad throwing the ball folks, anyone who watched a Florida game the past 3 years could have seen this coming.

I just find it hilarious that some bloggers/writers are coming to such extreme conclusions when anyone with a brain knew exactly what was going to happen this week.

Ask yourself this question. Does Tebow have physically what it takes to be a successful NFL QB? If you answered yes, and you're an NFL GM, you would consider drafting him as a project QB. That's what GMs are trying to figure out.

I agree with your sentiment. However, he should have been working on these skills while at UF. Urban's offense while from the shotgun does not preclude a QB being able to tighten up his throw or work on his footwork. This speaks to inherent problems with him as a QB.

Tebow was a great college QB. I do not think he has what it takes to be an average NFL QB. His arm is terrible. At this point in his career he is barely more equipped for running a pro-style offense than a TE converting to QB.

I think he will make a very good NFL player at some other position. Even a wildcat RB/QB. He's smart and athletic. He did not show in college that he could make accurate throws on a regular basis, especially under duress. Why will this change against vastly superior competition?

[FUNBUNCHER]

I've begun to root for Tebow to make it in the pros simply because so many folks are down on him!!

JoeJoeBrown is right, however. Playing in a run option spread offense does not mean there's any reason to develop such bad throwing mechanics. I don't think Tebow is an arrogant player, but he may be overconfident in thinking that adjustments to his throwing motion are not important.

However, to say at this point Tebow doesn't have what it takes to be an average NFL QB is really premature and IMO just wrong.

Terrible arm? Surely your not referring to Tebow's arm strength, which is clearly up to minimum NFL standards, if not better.

Like I've said, I'm really looking forward to the Senior Bowl game itself, which should be highly competitive considering the amount of talent on both squads.

Call it a hunch, but at the end of the day don't be surprised if Tebow walks off the field looking like the best QB in the game.

[JoeJoeBrown]

I've begun to root for Tebow to make it in the pros simply because so many folks are down on him!!

JoeJoeBrown is right, however. Playing in a run option spread offense does not mean there's any reason to develop such bad throwing mechanics. I don't think Tebow is an arrogant player, but he may be overconfident in thinking that adjustments to his throwing motion are not important.

However, to say at this point Tebow doesn't have what it takes to be an average NFL QB is really premature and IMO just wrong.

Terrible arm? Surely your not referring to Tebow's arm strength, which is clearly up to minimum NFL standards, if not better.

Like I've said, I'm really looking forward to the Senior Bowl game itself, which should be highly competitive considering the amount of talent on both squads.

Call it a hunch, but at the end of the day don't be surprised if Tebow walks off the field looking like the best QB in the game.

Yeah, I reread and I sound a bit harsh. He sounds like a good kid. I shouldn't have said he has a terrible arm.

How about random and erratic accuracy? The throwing lanes and especially the target areas in the NFL are tiny and require consistent precise throwing.

A four year player, three year starter at an elite CFB program that has no clue how to throw an accurate ball (I don't even care about his delivery, as Bernie Kosar and Uncle Rico come to mind) on a consistent basis.

The guy is going to make a great teammate and a good player. I just don't think it's as a pro-style QB. Then, again, I'm not a scout.

[djp]

I agree with your sentiment. However, he should have been working on these skills while at UF. Urban's offense while from the shotgun does not preclude a QB being able to tighten up his throw or work on his footwork. This speaks to inherent problems with him as a QB.

Tebow was a great college QB. I do not think he has what it takes to be an average NFL QB. His arm is terrible. At this point in his career he is barely more equipped for running a pro-style offense than a TE converting to QB.

I think he will make a very good NFL player at some other position. Even a wildcat RB/QB. He's smart and athletic. He did not show in college that he could make accurate throws on a regular basis, especially under duress. Why will this change against vastly superior competition?

He COULD have been working on these things at Florida, not SHOULD have. Coaches @ Florida are trying to win college football national titles, not prepare kids for the NFL.

[holt_bruce81]

I'm a Tebow fan for sure. I love his leadership and his attitude.........But I think everyone does :)

[BBIB]

I just don't understand the people that act like Tebow is supposed to fix his problems in one week of practice with the microscope that he is under.

Fixing a throwing motion and mechanics is not something that can be done with 3 days of NFL coaching. The people covering the Senior Bowl are just looking for something to write about. I think every single NFL GM that has watched Tebow understands that the most important facet of this week is that he is willing to learn and trying to decipher whether he can be changed or not.

Teams that are thinking about drafting Tebow are not looking for the kid to come into camp and set the world on fire. He's going to look bad throwing the ball folks, anyone who watched a Florida game the past 3 years could have seen this coming.

I just find it hilarious that some bloggers/writers are coming to such extreme conclusions when anyone with a brain knew exactly what was going to happen this week.

Ask yourself this question. Does Tebow have physically what it takes to be a successful NFL QB? If you answered yes, and you're an NFL GM, you would consider drafting him as a project QB. That's what GMs are trying to figure out.


As I stated it's the same so called experts that had Alex Smith ahead of Aaron Rodgers. The same so called experts that because Alex Smith hasn't materialized think that Tebow is doomed for failure.

Funny how quick they are to say Tebow's throwing motion will fail in the NFL yet there's a long pause when you tell them to name examples of guys who failed in the NFL because of this alleged problem.

Leftwich is the guy that comes to everyone's mind when you say slow elongated release yet Leftwich biggest weakness was his durability which was something that was even problematic in college.

[adamprez2003]

how the hell did tim tebow become the senior bowl topic? he is one of the least interesting players out there

[BBIB]

how the hell did tim tebow become the senior bowl topic? he is one of the least interesting players out there

How could you not see that coming? If Pat White was the big story last year, why in the world would Tebow not be the story right now?

This Tim Tebow debate has been going on since his Heisman season as a Sophmore.

[SKim172]

As I stated it's the same so called experts that had Alex Smith ahead of Aaron Rodgers. The same so called experts that because Alex Smith hasn't materialized think that Tebow is doomed for failure.

Funny how quick they are to say Tebow's throwing motion will fail in the NFL yet there's a long pause when you tell them to name examples of guys who failed in the NFL because of this alleged problem.

Leftwich is the guy that comes to everyone's mind when you say slow elongated release yet Leftwich biggest weakness was his durability which was something that was even problematic in college.

Quarterbacks with slow, awkward throwing motions don't get into the league. There's a few backups out there who might qualify. Hunter Cantwell last season had this weird 360 degree windup (which, btw, was still a faster motion than Tebow's) and went undrafted largely because of it (He changed up his motion entirely before the draft, though). Jared Lorenzen (aka J-Load) had a crazy motion and bounced around the league a little.

Guys with weird throwing motions don't usually get drafted. The few that are in the league are invariably backups.

Tebow, if he makes it, will be a rare exception. It is a very legitimate concern.

[adamprez2003]

How could you not see that coming? If Pat White was the big story last year, why in the world would Tebow not be the story right now?

This Tim Tebow debate has been going on since his Heisman season as a Sophmore. yeah, just amazes me how mcuh time is spent on a guy thats not even guaranteed on being a QB on the next level. I'm reading the reports on the practices and am looking forward to watching McCluster, Andre Roberts, Perrish Cox, Norwood, Selvie, Weatherspoon,Blount, Jeff Owens, Atkins, Ghee, Myron Rolle, etc and every post is about Tebow.

Does anybody care about any position other than QB?

[Xonraider]

This is the first senior bowl I will ever watch, I am so excited! Thanks NFL Network in Panama!!!

[JoeJoeBrown]

yeah, just amazes me how mcuh time is spent on a guy thats not even guaranteed on being a QB on the next level. I'm reading the reports on the practices and am looking forward to watching McCluster, Andre Roberts, Perrish Cox, Norwood, Selvie, Weatherspoon,Blount, Jeff Owens, Atkins, Ghee, Myron Rolle, etc and every post is about Tebow.

Does anybody care about any position other than QB?

Well lets talk about Cody then...

:)

[D-Unit]

I must say... I'm disappointed in the quality of posts in this thread. It's almost like our forum is worse than before. Is our community gonna step up?

[Babylon]

Well lets talk about Cody then...

:)

Do we have to?

Thing is these two got a lot of coverage here because there is such a debate on where they will be picked. If there is a consensus on someone they arent going to stand out. I'd throw Taylor Mays in there as getting scrutinized more than most.

[adamprez2003]

Well lets talk about Cody then...

:) lol. well he's going to have lose 25 pounds but it does seem like he's handling himself well. I dont think he'll go 1st round but its possible.

[adamprez2003]

Do we have to?

Thing is these two got a lot of coverage here because there is such a debate on where they will be picked. If there is a consensus on someone they arent going to stand out. I'd throw Taylor Mays in there as getting scrutinized more than most. There's a guy that probably played himself out of some serious money. Top ten is gone. I dont think he's top 20 anymore and he may slide even more if teams feel there is too much work thats needed to get him up to speed

[D-Unit]

Remember how wrong people were on Desean Jackson? He went from a Top 5 prospect to the mid 2nd round. If Mays makes that kind of drop, people will be wrong again.

[CC.SD]

I must say... I'm disappointed in the quality of posts in this thread. It's almost like our forum is worse than before. Is our community gonna step up?

Alright, let's do this.

My number 1 'wtf is going on with this guy' player to watch is George Selvie. I'm sorry but aside from maybe Tebow, has anybody's status as a prospect been more in flux? He's up, he's down, he will beast, he ain't **** compared to Jason Pierre Paul.

This needs to stop now. The real Selvie must stand up during the Senior Bowl game. Scott is saying he's had a terrific week of practice. The athleticism is there, so if he shows off the burst and measures up during the combine, I don't know how he slips out of the 1st 50 picks or so.


Myron Rolle...are you an NFL player? Or a doctor? Both? Not on my team. Instincts are such a huge part of safety play but if you're not all there physically it just means you're gonna be the guy on the wrong side of the poster. Can he bring it alongside the world's most elite athletes?

[superman8456]

Remember how wrong people were on Desean Jackson? He went from a Top 5 prospect to the mid 2nd round. If Mays makes that kind of drop, people will be wrong again.

Can you explain your reasoning?

So far he's been pretty exposed and the only positives he has to his game are tackling ability, size, and range. Mays stock has been dropping since the start of the season.

[BaLLiN]

Remember how wrong people were on Desean Jackson? He went from a Top 5 prospect to the mid 2nd round. If Mays makes that kind of drop, people will be wrong again.

that situation is completely different, desean could play, his transition to the nfl was under scrutiny considering the very limited amount of routes he ran at cal, but he produced in his system.

Mays is different, he wasn't really tested that much that ive seen, and when he was he didnt prove himself to be a great player, he has all the physical abilities but none of the instincts.

[adamprez2003]

Alright, let's do this.

My number 1 'wtf is going on with this guy' player to watch is George Selvie. I'm sorry but aside from maybe Tebow, has anybody's status as a prospect been more in flux? He's up, he's down, he will beast, he ain't **** compared to Jason Pierre Paul.

This needs to stop now. The real Selvie must stand up during the Senior Bowl game. Scott is saying he's had a terrific week of practice. The athleticism is there, so if he shows off the burst and measures up during the combine, I don't know how he slips out of the 1st 50 picks or so.


Myron Rolle...are you an NFL player? Or a doctor? Both? Not on my team. Instincts are such a huge part of safety play but if you're not all there physically it just means you're gonna be the guy on the wrong side of the poster. Can he bring it alongside the world's most elite athletes? i have been saying all year that Selvie will be a good NFL player. He's never been able to repeat his sophmore year but part of that has to be attributed to more attention being paid to him by opposing offenses which is why I also think JPP is more risky a pick then people suspect. I saw opposing offenses pay much more attention to Selvie then JPP and for a 1st round prospect JPP should have done more in that type of scenario IMO. The question to me is will Selvie be a better 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB? You cant teach his burst and he's improved other facets of his game, though not the point where he still needs to bring his game. If he continues to impress this whole week I see him as a low 3rd rounder though I could see him slip to 2nd round

[SKim172]

i have been saying all year that Selvie will be a good NFL player. He's never been able to repeat his sophmore year but part of that has to be attributed to more attention being paid to him by opposing offenses which is why I also think JPP is more risky a pick then people suspect. I saw opposing offenses pay much more attention to Selvie then JPP and for a 1st round prospect JPP should have done more in that type of scenario IMO. The question to me is will Selvie be a better 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB? You cant teach his burst and he's improved other facets of his game, though not the point where he still needs to bring his game. If he continues to impress this whole week I see him as a low 3rd rounder though I could see him slip to 2nd round

I don't share your confidence. George Selvie has generally been lauded as a pass rusher, but as someone who watches Big East football week in and out, I don't think he's the force people say he is. He's gifted, yes, and very athletic, but it's inaccurate to say that Selvie was exclusively double-teamed. USF has a very strong defense and their pass rush comes from everywhere - Selvie had a lot of one-on-ones and more often than not faded into the background. Among Big East fans, Selvie was not one of those names that would be bandied about the week before - "Oh, we better watch out for that Selvie." It is noteworthy that in Selvie's sophomore season, the vast majority of his sacks came against I-AA and non-BCS opponents.

[adamprez2003]

I don't share your confidence. George Selvie has generally been lauded as a pass rusher, but as someone who watches Big East football week in and out, I don't think he's the force people say he is. He's gifted, yes, and very athletic, but it's inaccurate to say that Selvie was exclusively double-teamed. USF has a very strong defense and their pass rush comes from everywhere - Selvie had a lot of one-on-ones and more often than not faded into the background. Among Big East fans, Selvie was not one of those names that would be bandied about the week before - "Oh, we better watch out for that Selvie." It is noteworthy that in Selvie's sophomore season, the vast majority of his sacks came against I-AA and non-BCS opponents. well i'm not saying he was double teamed every play just quite more than JPP. Also it seemed to me he worked more on contain this year than in the past, trying to hold his position rather than just pin his ears back every play like he did in his sophmore season. good point about his sophmore year and I-AA though

[Thumper]

Taylor Mays at 27 = Glory, Glory, Halelluuuuuuujah!!!! :D

Indeed I would be so happy if that happened! Could you imagine him trying to cover DeSean Jackson, Jeremy Maclin and Brent Celek? Helelluuuuuuujah!!! That would be a great day for Eagles fans.

[wonderbredd24]

Jared Odrick may not be drafted first, but he's the best player in mobile. He does just about everything well and his athleticism is tremendous

[HeavyLeggedWaistBender]

I am constantly impressed by Riley Cooper. Every practice he proves he can create seperation either by using his hands off the line or just the route he runs.

[scottyboy]

McCourty is just owning everyone, I love it

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Taylor Mays at 27 = Glory, Glory, Halelluuuuuuujah!!!! :D

A part of you will die when the Eagles take him right before Dallas. Maybe losing that week 17 game wasn't so bad after all.

[adamprez2003]

McCourty is just owning everyone, I love it he's going to be a good pickup for somebody

[Thumper]

McCourty is just owning everyone, I love it

I want him on the Eagles, it should be noted that I wanted him before this week as well.

[D-Unit]

I want him on the Eagles, it should be noted that I wanted him before this week as well.
LOL. Where? Round 5? Sorry, but you get no credit for liking him before this week if that's what you were trying to get. ha ha.

BTW, if you draft Taylor Mays, then superman will be saying how much he liked Mays "before" too. I just know it!

[Thumper]

LOL. Where? Round 5? Sorry, but you get no credit for liking him before this week if that's what you were trying to get. ha ha.

BTW, if you draft Taylor Mays, then superman will be saying how much he liked Mays "before" too. I just know it!

Actaully early round 3. (http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1978021&#post1978021) And I actually considered putting him in round 2.

And what about Taylor Mays? Mays is overrated and he is proving it in Mobile, the scheme in USC where they played him deep helped cover his lack of instincts and his inability to cover people man to man. Good for big hits and nothing else really at this point. He gets burned in coverage, is too rigid to flip his hips and run with a receiver and he really isn't all that good in coverage, he is fairly disciplined deep but he can't just line up deep every play in the NFL and his lack of instincts, ball skills and ability to cover man to man make me question how well he can perform in NFL. Not to mention the fact that he takes bad angles in run support and he doesn't wrap up consistently. Overrated and is similar to Laron Landry.

[D-Unit]

The Taylor Mays being overrated comments have come to the point of ridiculousness. The majority of you think he's bad and that he'll be a low pick in round 1 or be a 2nd rounder. It's the general consensus. He used to be overrated. Now he's not. Get over thinking each one of your are the only ones seeing his weaknesses. You are all in the majority.

[themaninblack]

I doubt Taylor Mays gets past the Bengals at 21.

[adamprez2003]

The Taylor Mays being overrated comments have come to the point of ridiculousness. The majority of you think he's bad and that he'll be a low pick in round 1 or be a 2nd rounder. It's the general consensus. He used to be overrated. Now he's not. Get over thinking each one of your are the only ones seeing his weaknesses. You are all in the majority. similar to Carlos Dunlap. He was once viewed as a top 10

[wonderbredd24]

The Taylor Mays being overrated comments have come to the point of ridiculousness. The majority of you think he's bad and that he'll be a low pick in round 1 or be a 2nd rounder. It's the general consensus. He used to be overrated. Now he's not. Get over thinking each one of your are the only ones seeing his weaknesses. You are all in the majority.

I completely agree.

He's just underwhelming at this point

[DiG]

you can ask scotty. i was talkin to him about a month ago in regards to mccourtey. i told him i had him tentatively in my top 5 and would consider him a 3rd rounder. scotty told me that by the combine id be proven right.

[Sniper]

similar to Carlos Dunlap. He was once viewed as a top 10

Well, that was a joke. I honestly wouldn't take Dunlap until the third round at the earliest. He's just not good. He's an enormous liability against the run. He's stiff. Maturity questions. Not that great of a pass rusher. Benefited from an all-star surrounding cast (which, I mean, good for him and all, but it doesn't make him a good player). Incredibly inconsistent. Shall I go on? People see 6'6", 290 lbs and automatically want the next Mario Williams. Mario Williams was a much better all-around player in college. He reminds me of Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech, except Johnson was a better player.

[Sniper]

The Taylor Mays being overrated comments have come to the point of ridiculousness. The majority of you think he's bad and that he'll be a low pick in round 1 or be a 2nd rounder. It's the general consensus. He used to be overrated. Now he's not. Get over thinking each one of your are the only ones seeing his weaknesses. You are all in the majority.

I like Mays, and like you, I can't see him dropping out of the first.

[scottyboy]

this is true: Dirty Thirty has been on the Mccourty train for quite some time, and I've got the PM's to prove it!
and of course, me and GF1080 have been on his bandwagon all year. He's been FANTASTIC this year and now he's ripping it at the senior bowl.

[P-L]

I think Taylor Mays can be a good player in this league, depending on what the defense asks him to do. He is terrible in man coverage but other than that, he should be fine.

[Giantsfan1080]

this is true: Dirty Thirty has been on the Mccourty train for quite some time, and I've got the PM's to prove it!
and of course, me and GF1080 have been on his bandwagon all year. He's been FANTASTIC this year and now he's ripping it at the senior bowl.

He's going to keep rising and rising. Rutgers guys normally do well at the Combine also so that's going to help him as well. I think he eventually ends up early to middle 2nd round.

[Hines]

I think Taylor Mays can be a good player in this league, depending on what the defense asks him to do. He is terrible in man coverage but other than that, he should be fine.

He'd be perfect with the Steelers.

[Jakey]

He'd be perfect with the Steelers.

Yeah i'd agee with that. Ryan Clark hardly ever gets asked to play man coverage...and if it is, its against TE's or double man. Mays would be fine with that. And even if he was asked to play SS, he'd be a beast in our scheme...he'd basically be a 5th linebacker.

[Babylon]

Mays will fit well in Seattle (#14), hometown, play for Pete, Seattle desperate for a FS. Looks like a perfect spot for him.

[yourfavestoner]

that situation is completely different, desean could play, his transition to the nfl was under scrutiny considering the very limited amount of routes he ran at cal, but he produced in his system.

Mays is different, he wasn't really tested that much that ive seen, and when he was he didnt prove himself to be a great player, he has all the physical abilities but none of the instincts.

Not only that, but he showed up to the combine weighing 169 lbs. Most people thought he'd be around 180.

[Saints-Tigers]

Well, that was a joke. I honestly wouldn't take Dunlap until the third round at the earliest. He's just not good. He's an enormous liability against the run. He's stiff. Maturity questions. Not that great of a pass rusher. Benefited from an all-star surrounding cast (which, I mean, good for him and all, but it doesn't make him a good player). Incredibly inconsistent. Shall I go on? People see 6'6", 290 lbs and automatically want the next Mario Williams. Mario Williams was a much better all-around player in college. He reminds me of Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech, except Johnson was a better player.

Dunlap is "just not good" except he's produced way more than Mays has at this point. Dude had twice as many pass breakups as Mays for crying out loud.

Dunlap's production was underwhelming considering his tools, but it was still better than Taylor has shown yet.

Dunlap has two years of 9 sacks, and plays well in the big games every time.

Mays had nothing but excuses about how his production was hurt by being on a team full of pro talent, particularly in the front 7. This year, it wasn't like that, and USC needed Mays to step up, and he just flat out didn't, he just jumped a lot of piles down field.

I'm not sure Mays has all the potential that people seem to think, he can certainly get a lot better than he currently is, but I don't think his lateral agility and body control is all that great at all. He has height/weight/speed in droves, but if a guy makes one slight shift, his momentum carries him out of plays and he can't redirect all that well.

He's solid in the deep middle, he's definitely not super special like he was portrayed to be with the whole "USC NEVER GIVES UP BIG PASSES" we see now that the stat on that was a lot more to do with a dominant front 7 not giving anyone time to throw.

He's not a great tackler, but he's strong enough there, but he should be causing a lot more fumbles, thing is, he's never getting to guys first and delivering a clean blow, it's always chasing someone down, or slightly missing and pulling someone down after he tried to make a big shot.

He can light receivers up, that's for sure.

The reason to me that he's still a mid-late first rounder is that he could be molded into a much better player than he currently is, and I don't feel like he has gaping holes in his game that would make him a liability.

Likely a solid player that will occasionally make a wow play, but with the potential to turn into a lot more if he really puts in the work.

I'm sorry, I just quoted your post because of the blatant double standard you have going, but you tend to pick favorites and guys you can't stand and stick to your guns no matter what happens with them.

[Sniper]

Dunlap is "just not good" except he's produced way more than Mays has at this point. Dude had twice as many pass breakups as Mays for crying out loud.

Dunlap's production was underwhelming considering his tools, but it was still better than Taylor has shown yet.

Dunlap has two years of 9 sacks, and plays well in the big games every time.

Dunlap is the undisputed king of the coverage sack. No one gets coverage sacks like him. We're all impressed. :rolleyes:

1 sack vs. Troy, 1 sack vs. Kentucky, 3 sacks vs. Mississippi State, 1 sack vs. Georgia, 1 sack vs. Florida State (where the RT didn't move), 2 sacks against Cincinnati. Jesus, if that's not murderer's row, I don't know what is. :rolleyes:

If Mays played with the supporting cast that Dunlap had, he would have put up much better numbers. Dunlap is ******* trash. He's as one-dimensional as they get, and he's not even good at that dimension. Not to mention the fact that he's ******* ******** enough to get a DUI before the national championship play-in game.

[sodar21]

Dunlap is the undisputed king of the coverage sack. No one gets coverage sacks like him. We're all impressed. :rolleyes:

1 sack vs. Troy, 1 sack vs. Kentucky, 3 sacks vs. Mississippi State, 1 sack vs. Georgia, 1 sack vs. Florida State (where the RT didn't move), 2 sacks against Cincinnati. Jesus, if that's not murderer's row, I don't know what is. :rolleyes:

If Mays played with the supporting cast that Dunlap had, he would have put up much better numbers. Dunlap is ******* trash. He's as one-dimensional as they get, and he's not even good at that dimension. Not to mention the fact that he's ******* ******** enough to get a DUI before the national championship play-in game.
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/tracker#dt-tabs:dt-by-college/dt-by-college-input:50

[LizardState]

lol. well he's going to have lose 25 pounds but it does seem like he's handling himself well. I dont think he'll go 1st round but its possible.

OK here comes the long-awaited Bama fanbase Cody defense:

Everybody disses Cody's physique & weight but nobody knocks his raw strength & power, his mean streak or his ability to be a 2-gapper anchoring a 3-4 d-line. Maybe the draftniks should ask the centers he played against the last 2 yrs. & the center-OGs dbl. teams working against him this wk. in practices what they thought about him on the field. Nobody gave centers more sleepless Friday nights before Saturday games in the SEC the last 2 yrs. than Cody. Apparently although under something of a microscope like Tebow & others in Mobile this wk. he is not disappointing the scouts & coaches with his game.

Remember the NC game play where McCoy injured his shoulder? Nobody credits Cody for his part in it, but if you watch the replay McCoy couldn't run as he had all yr b/c the pile was pushed 1.5 yds backward & put him out of position for the Darius blitzing LB hit that took him out of the game, & #62 was the one on the bottom of that pile. Remember the cliche' about MVPs & superstars coming up with big plays in big games? This play + the 2 blocked FGs vs. Tennessee were crucial to Alabama's 13th NC this season.

The prophecy fulfilled: when he was in his 1st yr. of organized FB in the 9th grade in Mississippi his coach told him he would be a "$2M/yr. FB player" -- He may not be a 1st rounder but if he keeps his weight down at all Cody will be starting on some NFL team's 3-4.

[LonghornsLegend]

Well, that was a joke. I honestly wouldn't take Dunlap until the third round at the earliest. He's just not good. He's an enormous liability against the run. He's stiff. Maturity questions. Not that great of a pass rusher. Benefited from an all-star surrounding cast (which, I mean, good for him and all, but it doesn't make him a good player). Incredibly inconsistent. Shall I go on? People see 6'6", 290 lbs and automatically want the next Mario Williams. Mario Williams was a much better all-around player in college. He reminds me of Michael Johnson from Georgia Tech, except Johnson was a better player.

I've been saying that for months now. I don't see what the difference is between the two except that for some reason people want to take Dunlap 2 rounds ahead of where MJ went.

[Saints-Tigers]

Dunlap is the undisputed king of the coverage sack. No one gets coverage sacks like him. We're all impressed. :rolleyes:

1 sack vs. Troy, 1 sack vs. Kentucky, 3 sacks vs. Mississippi State, 1 sack vs. Georgia, 1 sack vs. Florida State (where the RT didn't move), 2 sacks against Cincinnati. Jesus, if that's not murderer's row, I don't know what is. :rolleyes:

If Mays played with the supporting cast that Dunlap had, he would have put up much better numbers. Dunlap is ******* trash. He's as one-dimensional as they get, and he's not even good at that dimension. Not to mention the fact that he's ******* ******** enough to get a DUI before the national championship play-in game.

Oh, poor Mays, never got the chance to play with a talented supporting cast like Florida's.

When Mays was a junior like Dunlap, he played with two LB's that went on to make the Pro Bowl the next season as rookies, another LB that won the Bednarik and is a strong NFL starter(out of position at that) already.

Where is the big talent gap? Is it up front(if you remove Dunlap)? It's definitely not the LBs. Is it the secondary? I'd say that goes to Florida.

Either way, that USC defense created plenty of opportunities for a big time safety to make big plays, and guess what, he did! His name was Kevin Ellison.

I'm sorry, I can't hear a supporting cast argument for Mays, he played on one of the statistically best defenses of all time, and he didn't do squat but hang back deep, where teams never had a chance to throw to anyway. The next year there were plenty of plays to be made, and the only thing that happened was a huge increase in assisted tackles, he still didn't step into the role of dominant player like he was supposed to.

He's been on dominant defenses, and not so dominant defenses. Didn't show up as an impact player either time, merely a solid cog.

As far as I know, he does have top notch intangibles and work ethic though, that's a big plus.

[Sniper]

Oh, poor Mays, never got the chance to play with a talented supporting cast like Florida's.

He didn't this year.

Convince me that Dunlap is a top 8-10 DE in this draft without using the word potential. Go!

[fear the elf]

I've been saying that for months now. I don't see what the difference is between the two except that for some reason people want to take Dunlap 2 rounds ahead of where MJ went.

It's still early though. At this point last year, MJ was still being mocked in the first round wasn't he? I'm pretty sure he was anyways.

[Saints-Tigers]

He didn't this year.

Convince me that Dunlap is a top 8-10 DE in this draft without using the word potential. Go!

He did as a Junior, the same as Dunlap. Mays is all potential, and 0 production. Dunlap is mostly potential and minimal production.

It's fine if you think Dunlap is all potential and shouldn't be taken high on that. It's just hypocritical to defend Mays in the same light.

[CLong4Heisman]

He didn't this year.

Convince me that Dunlap is a top 8-10 DE in this draft without using the word potential. Go!

I need a challenge. He... um... well.... he's 6-6 290 so he must be good. Let's see...he went to florida and played under a guy who pulled a brett favre in coaching so he knows how to lie. Ummmm, he got 3 sacks against mississippi state and they were almost bowl eligible. That guy on FSU was scared of him so he didnt move. He's going to run a 4.6 so that bumps him up 10 spots.
I failed. By the way, this was completley sarcastic. Dunlap isn't very good. I hope the Giants take him.

[Saints-Tigers]

It's still early though. At this point last year, MJ was still being mocked in the first round wasn't he? I'm pretty sure he was anyways.


Johnson was actually a little less productive, he only had 4 sacks as a Junior and never played big in any big games on National TV like the national title game....

Also, there was a difference of about 30 pounds.

Not saying the gap should be so huge, but those are the biggest factors I'd bet.

[brasho]

Mays will fit well in Seattle (#14), hometown, play for Pete, Seattle desperate for a FS. Looks like a perfect spot for him.

Actually, if Mays is there at pick #14 and Seattle doesn't take him, then that will tell you a ton about what a guy that has been with him for 4 years thinks of him. It should be very telling. Seattle needs almost everything, though I hardly consider S a position of need for any team. If Mays is worth the hype, he's a Seahawk, if he's not, down to round 2 perhaps.

A big question for me is, if this guy is that big and that fast, why did't Carroll turn him into a WR? It isn't like he's shown the best instincts or hips to play DB.

[brasho]

Not only that, but he showed up to the combine weighing 169 lbs. Most people thought he'd be around 180.

On the Bucs board I predicted Jackson to be 5'10 175, I wasn't that far off. I also said he was a one-trick pony that would struggle in the pros with a safety over top (to take away the one-trick) who was far too tiny to hold up and stay healthy. I guess I was only half right.

[fear the elf]

Johnson was actually a little less productive, he only had 4 sacks as a Junior and never played big in any big games on National TV like the national title game....

Also, there was a difference of about 30 pounds.

Not saying the gap should be so huge, but those are the biggest factors I'd bet.

I agree, they are different kinds of prospects, no doubt. Johnson was a physical freak though with tons of potential, which is more to my point.

LonghornsLegend said that Dunlap reminds him of MJ, and didn't see why Dunlap is viewed as a first round pick when MJ went in the 3rd. I was simply stating that the potential was intoxicating last year too, with MJ going in the first in many mocks, however it eventually died down and he went in the third. The same could happen, not saying it will, but it could.

More comparing their situations than the players themselves.

[brasho]

Nobody gave centers more sleepless Friday

Remember the NC game play where McCoy injured his shoulder? Nobody credits Cody for his part in it, but if you watch the replay McCoy couldn't run as he had all yr b/c the pile was pushed 1.5 yds backward & put him out of position for the Darius blitzing LB hit that took him out of the game, & #62 was the one on the bottom of that pile. Remember the cliche' about MVPs & superstars coming up with big plays in big games? This play + the 2 blocked FGs vs. Tennessee were crucial to Alabama's 13th NC this season.

The prophecy fulfilled: when he was in his 1st yr. of organized FB in the 9th grade in Mississippi his coach told him he would be a "$2M/yr. FB player" -- He may not be a 1st rounder but if he keeps his weight down at all Cody will be starting on some NFL team's 3-4.


ANd nobody keeps Denny's frycooks shaking in fear all night like having Terrence Cody occupying the entire left side of booth #12.

You mean the same OLine that Suh transformed himself from being a top 3 pick to being the greatest Dlineman to ever play the game? Nebraska's OLine is light and a finesse unit. Cody should have done more than he did. That was one play against Texas and if McCoy doesn't get hurt nobody ever sees it again. What did he do against Florida or the rest of the Texas game?

Yes, and as soon as his coach told him that he would be a $2 million dollar a year player Cody immediately started converting that cash in mhis mind to Big Macs and therein lies the problem. Everything hinges on him maintaining his weight when he has done little in the past to show that he can. Sure, there are a few guys that have played in the NFL at or around 375, but they all came into the league at 330 or less. Most of the guys that came into the league at or above 350 have eaten themselves out of the league (Stockar McDougle, Aaron Gibson, Mike Williams, etc). The fact is that when Cody gets the big pay day he will be LESS inclined to keep his weight under control and he will gain a the 50 that will keep him from ever being effective or anything less than a liability.

I'm impressed with Cody as a player, but looking to the future I see a guy that has never learned how to eat right and take care of himself and is not going to learn how to do it overnight. It's far easier said than done. He blew up to 370 before the Senior Bowl knowing a big pay day could be effected (I heard he at a 64 oz. steak at a banquet, that's over 7000 caloires, BTW) by it. He gets paid, he will care even less.

[brasho]

Oh, poor Mays, never got the chance to play with a talented supporting cast like Florida's.

When Mays was a junior like Dunlap, he played with two LB's that went on to make the Pro Bowl the next season as rookies, another LB that won the Bednarik and is a strong NFL starter(out of position at that) already.

Where is the big talent gap? Is it up front(if you remove Dunlap)? It's definitely not the LBs. Is it the secondary? I'd say that goes to Florida.

Either way, that USC defense created plenty of opportunities for a big time safety to make big plays, and guess what, he did! His name was Kevin Ellison.

I'm sorry, I can't hear a supporting cast argument for Mays, he played on one of the statistically best defenses of all time, and he didn't do squat but hang back deep, where teams never had a chance to throw to anyway. The next year there were plenty of plays to be made, and the only thing that happened was a huge increase in assisted tackles, he still didn't step into the role of dominant player like he was supposed to.

He's been on dominant defenses, and not so dominant defenses. Didn't show up as an impact player either time, merely a solid cog.

As far as I know, he does have top notch intangibles and work ethic though, that's a big plus.

And won't a great front 7 create more opportunities for turnovers for the DBs? Not less?

[killxswitch]

AIt's far easier said than done. He blew up to 370 before the Senior Bowl knowing a big pay day could be effected (I heard he at a 64 oz. steak at a banquet, that's over 7000 caloires, BTW) by it. He gets paid, he will care even less.

A 64 oz. T-bone is a little under 3600 calories, with 1450 of them being from fat. FYI.

[Saints-Tigers]

And won't a great front 7 create more opportunities for turnovers for the DBs? Not less?

Yes it would. Dominant front 7, 0 turnovers to show for it.

[Babylon]

A 64 oz. T-bone is a little under 3600 calories, with 1450 of them being from fat. FYI.

He's not exactly on a superfoods diet is he?

[Babylon]

Actually, if Mays is there at pick #14 and Seattle doesn't take him, then that will tell you a ton about what a guy that has been with him for 4 years thinks of him. It should be very telling. Seattle needs almost everything, though I hardly consider S a position of need for any team. If Mays is worth the hype, he's a Seahawk, if he's not, down to round 2 perhaps.

A big question for me is, if this guy is that big and that fast, why did't Carroll turn him into a WR? It isn't like he's shown the best instincts or hips to play DB.

That makes sense but i dont know how much you could read into Carroll passing on Mays. It could be that they feel they have bigger needs or that another player would fit better into what they're trying to do. Short of Jake Locker Mays is about as popular around here as you're going to get so the fans want him i know that.

I remember back to when Chuck Fairbanks, the old Sooners coach, took over in New England and there were all these Oklahoma and Big-12 players that everyone figured they'd draft.....his 3 1st round picks they had turned out to be: John Hannah Alabama, Sam Cunningham USC and Darryl Stingley Purdue.

[TACKLE]

For anyone who watch Senior Bowl yesterday on NFL Network, I really liked what Corey Chavous had to say about Taylor Mays.

[YotoJets007]

Actually, if Mays is there at pick #14 and Seattle doesn't take him, then that will tell you a ton about what a guy that has been with him for 4 years thinks of him. It should be very telling. Seattle needs almost everything, though I hardly consider S a position of need for any team. If Mays is worth the hype, he's a Seahawk, if he's not, down to round 2 perhaps.

A big question for me is, if this guy is that big and that fast, why did't Carroll turn him into a WR? It isn't like he's shown the best instincts or hips to play DB.

Carroll criticized Sanchez's decision of forgoing the remaining eligible season for USC. Sanchez earned top 5 money. With Mays situation, Carrol tells you nothing.

I think Carroll will take Charles Brown instead, anyhow.

[Sniper]

http://www.annarbor.com/sports/um-football/brandon-graham-climbing-up-draft-boards-at-the-senior-bowl/

I know McShay's an asshat, but...

“There wasn’t a guy here this week that hustled more, that had better technique, that picked up schemes and did things as quickly as anyone at the defensive-line position or outside-linebacker position,” McShay said. “He’s just a Bill Belichick-type of guy. He’s going to come in and love playing the game and play it better than his measurables and his skill set would lead you to believe.”

On Zoltan Mesko...

“He was OK this week,” McShay said. “He has some versatility Maybe he gets drafted in the seventh round. He’ll certainly get a shot as a free-agent pick if he doesn’t get drafted, but I think the versatility helps him.”

Um, yeah, maybe... :rolleyes:

[Sniper]

Yes it would. Dominant front 7, 0 turnovers to show for it.

For the record, I don't expect Mays to be the next Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins. I do, however, think he'd thrive in a high-pressure scheme where he's asked to play the deep rover, which is why I certainly would not mind him in Philly.

[Babylon]

For anyone who watch Senior Bowl yesterday on NFL Network, I really liked what Corey Chavous had to say about Taylor Mays.

Dont make us look it up.

[phlysac]

Dont make us look it up.
Chavous said that Mays has 2nd round value. I don't disagree but Chavous isn't the best evaluator. His site is horrid.

[JFLO]

So what does everyone think about Joe Webb?

Former quarterback turned wide receiver. All the word from Mobile sounds like he is having a hell of a week. Has been extremely physical and surprisingly more fluid than expected.

If I'm a GM, I'm taking a flier on him in the late rounds. I wouldn't mind if Minnesota took him with a 6th or 7th round pick, if he lasts that long.

[brasho]

A 64 oz. T-bone is a little under 3600 calories, with 1450 of them being from fat. FYI.

Really? I figured for every ounce of meat there would be 8 grams of protein like most land meat (8 grams per ounce at 4 calories per gram 8*4=32 calories) and because the meat is not likely great probably being 80/20 quality the grams of protein and fat should be pretty similar (8 fat grams per ounce at 9 calories per gram 8*9=72). Then you add the calories per ounce (32+72=104) and then multiply by the total ounces (104*64= a buttload of calories near 7000). Of course I don't have a calorie stat sheet in front of me that could tell me this but based on what I know about nutrition that was my quesstimate. 7000 calories, obviously that could be wrong.

[brasho]

Checking out the T-bone now, apparently less fatty than 80/20 cut, looks more like 85/15. A site says 3 ounces has 209.95 calories (210) with 13.5 grams of fat. So 64 ounces should have 4480... not 7000 but also not 3600... and I assume Cody didn't drink water with his meal nor skip the baked potato layered in bacon and the bread.... I'm sure he ate 7000 calories that night.... which is double the rate of the 3500 extra calories it takes to gain or lose one pound of body weight....

so that was another 2 lbs. right on his fat body.

[yourfavestoner]

Chavous said that Mays has 2nd round value. I don't disagree but Chavous isn't the best evaluator. His site is horrid.

I remember when he first started getting into the whole draft thing on NFL Network with Mayock back for the 05 draft.

His top two prospects were Troy Williamson and Thomas Davis.

So there you go.

[brasho]

Nice, almost 280 grams of fat! and 1255 mg of cholesterol...this dude was sweating butter for the next 3 days!

[brasho]

Carroll criticized Sanchez's decision of forgoing the remaining eligible season for USC. Sanchez earned top 5 money. With Mays situation, Carrol tells you nothing.

I think Carroll will take Charles Brown instead, anyhow.

An OT might be the best choice, if he took Brown then you really have to say he is loyal because Brown might end up being the lightest OT at the combine. I gotta think Brown will be there in round 2.

[phlysac]

I remember when he first started getting into the whole draft thing on NFL Network with Mayock back for the 05 draft.

His top two prospects were Troy Williamson and Thomas Davis.

So there you go.

In 2006 his #1 OVERALL PROSPECT was Texas A&M QB Reggie McNeal.

McNeal was drafted in the 6th round. He took one snap in NFL regulation.

[YotoJets007]

Chavous said that Mays has 2nd round value. I don't disagree but Chavous isn't the best evaluator. His site is horrid.

2nd round value sound about right. Rolle with one off for Oxford offers more skills than Mays the Senior. That is something.

[YotoJets007]

In 2006 his #1 OVERALL PROSPECT was Texas A&M QB Reggie McNeal.

McNeal was drafted in the 6th round. He took one snap in NFL regulation.

Are you sure? McNeal? I highly doubt it. He played Texas vs the Nation bowl so thus he could be not one of top qb at all.

[YotoJets007]

An OT might be the best choice, if he took Brown then you really have to say he is loyal because Brown might end up being the lightest OT at the combine. I gotta think Brown will be there in round 2.


He is still a first rounder. I am not going to knock him off due to lighter weight as his weight should be now 295. Otherwise he could be 2nd rounder.

[Babylon]

Chavous said that Mays has 2nd round value. I don't disagree but Chavous isn't the best evaluator. His site is horrid.

I disagree with 2nd round. I wonder if some of these guys even know what they're talking about. This guy Brooks from NFL did a mock and it is absolutely atrocius. If some of these guys want to be a negative on Mays then i'm comfortable in going the other way. Anyone out there foolish enough to think Taylor Mays lasts till the second i'll be happy to take some of your money.

As for Pete taking Charles Brown, i think he would be there in the 3rd but Seattle doesnt have a 3rd as of right now.

Right now if i'm in that war room in Seattle with picks #6, #14,and #38 it's tackle (Davis), S (Mays) and RB (Gerhart)

[YotoJets007]

Nice, almost 280 grams of fat! and 1255 mg of cholesterol...this dude was sweating butter for the next 3 days!

Go ahead and keep talking about unhealthy food. I may switch to a vegger. lol.

[YotoJets007]

I disagree with 2nd round. I wonder if some of these guys even know what they're talking about. This guy Brooks from NFL did a mock and it is absolutely atrocius. If some of these guys want to be a negative on Mays then i'm comfortable in going the other way. Anyone out there foolish enough to think Taylor Mays lasts till the second i'll be happy to take some of your money.

As for Pete taking Charles Brown, i think he would be there in the 3rd but Seattle doesnt have a 3rd as of right now.

Right now if i'm in that war room in Seattle with picks #6, #14,and #38 it's tackle (Davis), S (Mays) and RB (Gerhart)

Davis can do ZBS? I don t think so.

[Babylon]

Davis can do ZBS? I don t think so.

Then substitute Bulaga because right now there is a huge void at LT and Pete has said he wants to run the ball. I actually like Bulaga the best of all the tackles but i think #6 is a little too early for him.

[draftguru151]

Are you sure? McNeal? I highly doubt it. He played Texas vs the Nation bowl so thus he could be not one of top qb at all.

Chavous LOVED McNeal.

[YotoJets007]

Then substitute Bulaga because right now there is a huge void at LT and Pete has said he wants to run the ball. I actually like Bulaga the best of all the tackles but i think #6 is a little too early for him.

Bulaga has thyroid condition. Risky pick. Seahawks' 6th pick is tough. Trade down to get any higher than Redskins' 37th in order to land Brown because Redskins lack ammo to shoot up. I can see Seahawks draft Bradford and Spiller in the first round if no Okung for 6th.

Besides, Earl Thomas could be BPA for their 14th.

[Babylon]

Bulaga has thyroid condition. Risky pick. Seahawks' 6th pick is tough. Trade down to get any higher than Redskins' 37th in order to land Brown because Redskins lack ammo to shoot up. I can see Seahawks draft Bradford and Spiller in the first round if no Okung for 6th.

Besides, Earl Thomas could be BPA for their 14th.

Bulaga has been cleared of the thyroid condition so that to me is a non issue. I agree with you that the 6th pick may be a tough spot, they could have someone like a Gerald McCoy drop to them or a Eric Berry forcing them to scrap the OT talk there. Personally i would like to see them trade down, get another #1 for next year when they can mortgage the farm for Jake Locker. Last i looked they arent asking me for my opinion.

[JoeJoeBrown]

I disagree with 2nd round. I wonder if some of these guys even know what they're talking about. This guy Brooks from NFL did a mock and it is absolutely atrocius. If some of these guys want to be a negative on Mays then i'm comfortable in going the other way. Anyone out there foolish enough to think Taylor Mays lasts till the second i'll be happy to take some of your money.

As for Pete taking Charles Brown, i think he would be there in the 3rd but Seattle doesnt have a 3rd as of right now.

Right now if i'm in that war room in Seattle with picks #6, #14,and #38 it's tackle (Davis), S (Mays) and RB (Gerhart)

He reminds me of Roy Williams for some reason. For no more reason than I think he is an undersized OLB that would be great to drop into coverage every once in a while. Fast enough to stick with most RBs in coverage. Big enough to take them on running the ball. I have no idea what his ability to shed blocks would be, however.

[brasho]

Davis can do ZBS? I don t think so.

ZBS? Zone Blocking Scheme, ahhh. That one took me a while, I was wondering for a second if that was anything like a ZJ... And if you ask to ask what a ZJ is... you can't afford it :)

[brasho]

Bulaga has thyroid condition. Risky pick. Seahawks' 6th pick is tough. Trade down to get any higher than Redskins' 37th in order to land Brown because Redskins lack ammo to shoot up. I can see Seahawks draft Bradford and Spiller in the first round if no Okung for 6th.

Besides, Earl Thomas could be BPA for their 14th.

My wife has a thyroid condition and marrying her was also a risky pick... not because of the thyroid but because she loves spending me money!

[Babylon]

My wife has a thyroid condition and marrying her is also a risky pick... not because of the thyroid but because she loves spending me money!

You married my ex wife?:)

[brasho]

You married my ex wife?:)

Which one? :) This one spends a lot of money, complains when there's football on or pretty much anything other than cooking or home channels. Sound familiar?

[Babylon]

Which one? :)

Well played sir.:)

[LizardState]

I remember back to when Chuck Fairbanks, the old Sooners coach, took over in New England and there were all these Oklahoma and Big-12 players that everyone figured they'd draft.....his 3 1st round picks they had turned out to be: John Hannah Alabama, Sam Cunningham USC and Darryl Stingley Purdue.

Fairbanks was good for NE, maybe he knew the weaknesses in his Sooner as well as the strengths. I remember all 3, especially Hog Hannah who was on the NFL All (20th) Century team for his Patriots career, nickname derives from his family's pig farm. Sam "the Bam" Cunningham beat Bama in Birmingham with SC in Sept. 1970, singlehandedly converted them from an all white team too as they crossed the color line with Wilbur Jackson a yr later, & Darryl Stingley just died, RIP, he was paralyzed for life with a broken neck after a killer hit literally (from Jack Tatum, whose nickname was Assassin).

I know you love it Babs! Enough with nostalgia, I think Seattle would be ecstatic if Berry or McCoy fell to them, & 2nd rd. is just about right for Taylor Mays who I've always thought was a Roy Williamsish tweener SS/OLB. And don't they stillhhave Babineaux at SS who isnt that terrible? The Seahawks have bigger 1st rd. defensive needs, like a pass rush or a dependable DT, so McCoy would be manna from heaven for them....

And no power in the known universe can stop a wife from spending her husband's $, it's one of the Newtonian Laws of Physics I think.

[brasho]

And no power in the known universe can stop a wife from spending her husband's $, it's one of the Newtonian Laws of Physics I think.

Great... first she's spending all my money and now there's this Newton (who's apparently a lawyer... or a physicist) guy in the picture?

[YotoJets007]

Bulaga has been cleared of the thyroid condition so that to me is a non issue. I agree with you that the 6th pick may be a tough spot, they could have someone like a Gerald McCoy drop to them or a Eric Berry forcing them to scrap the OT talk there. Personally i would like to see them trade down, get another #1 for next year when they can mortgage the farm for Jake Locker. Last i looked they arent asking me for my opinion.

Ha. thyroid condition is not curable unless I was behind the medicine world. If he was actually cleared from thyroid condition then it had to be either heart issue or gas problem that evaluates up the heart beat.

Cedric Houston from Tennessee quit football because he lacked energy to maintain any sport activity. He was RB but Bulaga is OL... who knows.

[YotoJets007]

Point Off, I dont want to make a new thread for a question.

Does this forum have GM mock draft? I dont see anywhere in this entire forum. If so then can you direct me to that. Thanks.

[TACKLE]

Point Off, I dont want to make a new thread for a question.

Does this forum have GM mock draft? I dont see anywhere in this entire forum. If so then can you direct me to that. Thanks.

The Jets team board would be my best bet.

[YotoJets007]

Point Off, I dont want to make a new thread for a question.

Does this forum have GM mock draft? I dont see anywhere in this entire forum. If so then can you direct me to that. Thanks.

Never mind. I found it.

[phlysac]

Are you sure? McNeal? I highly doubt it. He played Texas vs the Nation bowl so thus he could be not one of top qb at all.

You have every reason to think it's ludicrous, because it was. But it is 100% fact that Corey Chavous had Reggie McNeal #1 on his big board.

It may have been a ploy to get himself attention as a draft analyst. It worked for me. I've never forgotten.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

People on this forum are now doubting the prowess of Reggie McNealzzzzz? Oh man, I'm getting old

[FuzzyGopher]

Ha. thyroid condition is not curable unless I was behind the medicine world. If he was actually cleared from thyroid condition then it had to be either heart issue or gas problem that evaluates up the heart beat.

Cedric Houston from Tennessee quit football because he lacked energy to maintain any sport activity. He was RB but Bulaga is OL... who knows.

Hypo/Hyperthyroidism is controlled with medication, and can even be cured with radioactive iodine treatment (I-131).

[phlysac]

Cedric Houston from Tennessee quit football because he lacked energy to maintain any sport activity. He was RB but Bulaga is OL... who knows.

Although possible, I'm not certain it was ever mentioned whether Houston quit because of his thyroid condition. The official statement was that his heart wasn't in football anymore and that he wanted to move on with the rest of his life.

[iBoldin]

You have every reason to think it's ludicrous, because it was. But it is 100% fact that Corey Chavous had Reggie McNeal #1 on his big board.

It may have been a ploy to get himself attention as a draft analyst. It worked for me. I've never forgotten.

Let's not be frivolous here; Reggie McNeal is an incredibly solid CFL receiver.

;)

[Giantsfan1080]

Some of the older posters here will remember FutureScout who was the biggest Reggie McNeal fanboy ever. He said he would be a #1 pick and revolutionize the NFL.

[Xonraider]

Some of the older posters here will remember FutureScout who was the biggest Reggie McNeal fanboy ever. He said he would be a #1 pick and revolutionize the NFL.

Good times.

[phlysac]

Was FutureScout the SN used by Corey Chavous? :)

[D-Unit]

Some of the older posters here will remember FutureScout who was the biggest Reggie McNeal fanboy ever. He said he would be a #1 pick and revolutionize the NFL.
FutureScout should be in the HOF because of his devotion to Reggie McNealzzzz. hahaha.

[brasho]

Ha. thyroid condition is not curable unless I was behind the medicine world. If he was actually cleared from thyroid condition then it had to be either heart issue or gas problem that evaluates up the heart beat.

Cedric Houston from Tennessee quit football because he lacked energy to maintain any sport activity. He was RB but Bulaga is OL... who knows.

I suppose it depends on if he was hyper or hypothyroid and if he is on the correct medication then it shouldn't be a problem. I don't know which one he is and can't remember which my wife is. But hers is pretty bad but medication deos the trick and she's a firefighter and natural bodybuilder... the medication is apparently no cure for her being a total pain in the arse most of the time though.

[brasho]

Hypo/Hyperthyroidism is controlled with medication, and can even be cured with radioactive iodine treatment (I-131).

Which one does that cure?

[scottyboy]

Scott, when you talked to McCourty were you like "yea, there's this crazy poster on my site who goes to Rutgers and is obsessed with them and you"?
that would've been awesome.
Very pumped for this game, should be loads of fun

[psteffes023]

Is the Senior Bowl going to be available to watch online? I had NFL Network last year but was forced to switch cable companies. Help!!!

[Babylon]

Anywhere on the internet to watch the game today?

[Shane P. Hallam]

I'm sure there will be. Come into IRC before the game and I can help you out.

[RaiderNation]

What time is the game on and is it on ESPN or NFLN?

[Shane P. Hallam]

NFL Network, 4:00 PM EST

[CLong4Heisman]

Anywhere on the internet to watch the game today?

atdhe.net will probably have it. If not try sportsstop.tv

I checked. They both have it

[Xonraider]

Well Mike Lombardi just revealed Al Davis REALLY WATCHES the senior bowl. Expect some sort of memo, lol.

[descendency]

Well Mike Lombardi just revealed Al Davis REALLY WATCHES the senior bowl. Expect some sort of memo, lol.

Do they run the 40 yard dash at the Senior Bowl???

[JFLO]

The Mayock **** Storm Begins...

[kwilk103]

why is tebow starting?

[BradysKnee]

why is tebow starting?

He's the sexiest.

[iworshipbender]

Taylor Mays just missed a tackle.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I'm going to be tweeting up a storm during the game, FYI:

www.twitter.com/ShanePHallam

[BradysKnee]

Terrance Cody looks like he's out of breath already.

[DaBrowns41]

Taylor Mays with a "tackle". He went in there and threw his shoulder in and slowed Bell down after he already had 11 yards. Pathetic. Kid needs to learn fundamentals.

[FrankGore]

Iupati with two holds on Geno Atkins (one was called, one wasn't) and Dan Williams stonewalled him in a 3rd and short. Certainly still a great prospect but he doesn't look flawless right now.

As I wrote this, Atkins was nearly past him again on a pass rush.

[DaBrowns41]

Pike is just throwing terribly right now. It's ridiculous. He looks like Derek Anderson.

[gpngc]

Damn I thought this was on at 8!

[thetedginnshow]

Iupati was pretty bad that drive.

[gpngc]

What did Tebow do in his first drive?

[Sniper]

Terrance Cody looks like he's out of breath already.

That second snap in a row can be a ***** sometimes.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Iupati was pretty bad that drive.

I think Maycock piled on a bit. Iupati did well other than the penalty. He always stopped his man. Not that the analysis is wrong of how he has to use his feet, but hey, I think he did fine. Not outstanding, but fine.

[sbh15]

What did Tebow do in his first drive?

PA screen from under center went for a 1st
2 plays from shotgun, one completion for 4 yds
underthrew/tipped pass to a wide open McCoy

[thetedginnshow]

I think Maycock piled on a bit. Iupati did well other than the penalty. He always stopped his man. Not that the analysis is wrong of how he has to use his feet, but hey, I think he did fine. Not outstanding, but fine.

He did well in the run game, but he seemed to get a little lost in pass protection. He wasn't horrible, though.

[Shane P. Hallam]

He did well in the run game, but he seemed to get a little lost in pass protection. He wasn't horrible, though.

Yup. Just can't play tackle, won't do it. Anyway, now I'm just posting up the tweets I'm sending basically, lol. I'll discuss it here after the game, feel free to hit me up on there.

[Sniper]

Brandon Graham looks like **** right now.

[BradysKnee]

I can't get over Tebow's terrible release, it looks like he is throwing slow motion. That's a big project to fix.

[Sniper]

Brandon Graham looks like **** right now.

Just bull-rushed the **** out of Ciron Black.

[PossibleCabbage]

I imagine most of Tebow's runs in the NFL are going to look like that one on third down just did.

[thetedginnshow]

Brandon Graham looks like **** right now.

I don't know if he was getting confused or what, but he was like a half second too slow coming off the snap.

[Babylon]

I imagine most of Tebow's runs in the NFL are going to look like that one on third down just did.

Differance is this is a base defense today, in the pros you'll see 3rd downs where the LBs are rushing or not even on the field altogether.

[BeerBaron]

Yay! Found the game online....**** you comcast!

[Cicero]

Differance is this is a base defense today, in the pros you'll see 3rd downs where the LBs are rushing or not even on the field altogether.

Daryl Washington will be in there on 3rd downs. He's the best LB in coverage in this draft.

[Go_Eli]

Nice run by Pike.

[BeerBaron]

The idea of having Washington next to Weatherspoon together in the pros would be scary...

[Cicero]

The idea of having Washington next to Weatherspoon together in the pros would be scary...

Haha for sure.

[iworshipbender]

Mah boy LGB breakin tackles!

[BeerBaron]

Pike has looked good on the last few plays at least.

[iworshipbender]

I expect to see many more of those from LGB in the future.

[DaBrowns41]

Nice run by Blount.

[TitanHope]

Make that money Big Dan! Make that money!

[DaBrowns41]

Dan Williams is just a monster.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Ted Larsen sucks ass at center. He did that **** every other game at NC State

[Sniper]

There's my man...BG just abused Selvish Capers.

[Jakey]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! Graham FTW!

[DaBrowns41]

These offensive lines are holding more than I've ever seen in a game.

[BeerBaron]

Anyone who doesn't consider Graham a first rounder by now is just out of their mind.

[Sniper]

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOM! Graham FTW!

He burned Capers badly on a spin move on the last play, but the guard got to him before he killed Brown.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Sam Young fail.

[DaBrowns41]

How the hell do you miss a ball that you're on top of?

Sam Young, you're stupid.

[BeerBaron]

I've been trying to watch Cody as much as I can and I think he's doing exactly what you'd want. He demands a double team give the rest of the d-line a 1v1 matchup. Pretty much all you could expect.

[Sniper]

Brandon Graham, you're so awesome.

[BeerBaron]

Wow, I'm pretty sure that was Odrick who was just held so bad on that completion. Wow....

[Sniper]

Whoever the LT for the South is mugged the **** out of Graham there. Good coverage from Weatherspoon, too.

[BeerBaron]

Graham again. Beast. Monster. Whatever you want to call him.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I'm still wondering if Graham will move up into the 1st. I still think he could struggle at the combine and stay as a high 2nd round pick. Maybe some team takes him late 1st though, a la Larry English.

[DaBrowns41]

Weatherspoon is one of the more underrated players in the draft. He's first round talent, easily.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Corey Chavous annoys me.

[DaBrowns41]

Corey Chavous annoys me.

Me and the girl were both saying the exact same thing a few moments ago.

[Shane P. Hallam]

Corey Chavous annoys me.

He knows his stuff though, I'll say that.

[TACKLE]

I'm still wondering if Graham will move up into the 1st. I still think he could struggle at the combine and stay as a high 2nd round pick. Maybe some team takes him late 1st though, a la Larry English.

I like Graham more than I liked Larry English. I feel Graham has really cemented his place in the 1st round.

[Shane P. Hallam]

I like Graham more than I liked Larry English.

Same here, just not sure NFL teams will feel the same way because of how Graham tests.

[BeerBaron]

I'm still wondering if Graham will move up into the 1st. I still think he could struggle at the combine and stay as a high 2nd round pick. Maybe some team takes him late 1st though, a la Larry English.

I'm not sure...his college production was great, he's been a monster this week and in this game destroying whomever he goes up against, and we're seeing a lot of shorter, more stout pass rushers succeeding in the NFL. (Harrison, Woodley, Dumervil, English last year is a good example of a guy like him moving up into the first.)

I think he definitely goes in the first round when all is said and done.

[dansaint]

Just turned it on. Has Hoo-man (Illinois TE) done anything. Was watching MLB Network

[Sniper]

Same here, just not sure NFL teams will feel the same way because of how Graham tests.

Where's this assumption that Graham won't test well coming from?

[J-Mike88]

I'm still wondering if Graham will move up into the 1st. I still think he could struggle at the combine and stay as a high 2nd round pick. Maybe some team takes him late 1st though, a la Larry English.
Many of us have had him pegged in the 20's for weeks already.
Guys like Elvis Dumervil and James Harrison have made the shorter arm lenth less important to the picky scouts. As they should be.

Doom had a knack for getting to QBs in college. That translated over.
It will for Graham also. For me, I just hope it's opposite Clay Matthews in the Green & Gold.

[TACKLE]

I could see Tennessee, Atlanta, Houston, New England, Philly, Baltimore, Arizona, New Orleans and Indy all interested in getting a pass rusher. I don't see him getting past all those teams.

[ironman4579]

Where's this assumption that Graham won't test well coming from?

Ran a 10.9 100 meter in high school.

[Sniper]

Taylorrrrrrrrrrrrr Maysssssssssssssssssssssssss

[Go_Eagles77]

Taylor Mays pick?

[TitansCJftw]

mays made a play #1 pick! :p

[iworshipbender]

Nice throw by Zac Robinson

[SchizophrenicBatman]

this clock operator prospect will not be drafted

[TACKLE]

Taylor Mays with the INT. Take that all of you who want Mays to fail just so so can say "I told you so".

[descendency]

OMG Mays made a play on the ball...

[Shane P. Hallam]

Many of us have had him pegged in the 20's for weeks already.
Guys like Elvis Dumervil and James Harrison have made the shorter arm lenth less important to the picky scouts. As they should be.

Doom had a knack for getting to QBs in college. That translated over.
It will for Graham also. For me, I just hope it's opposite Clay Matthews in the Green & Gold.

These guys are good, but none of them were first round picks who are comparable. That is for a reason. I love Graham. I'd bet my house he has a successful NFL career. Just saying, some teams may be scared away. The more I see, if he tests well, he should be a late 1st rounder, maybe to Atlanta. That being said, he could fall through the cracks to a team like Detroit or Kansas City in the 2nd.

[SchizophrenicBatman]

Nice drive by Robinson

[iworshipbender]

Zac Robinson is looking good today.

[goblue8888]

One team will get very lucky with Graham. He is one of the safest players in the draft.

[Cicero]

Many of us have had him pegged in the 20's for weeks already.
Guys like Elvis Dumervil and James Harrison have made the shorter arm lenth less important to the picky scouts. As they should be.

Doom had a knack for getting to QBs in college. That translated over.
It will for Graham also. For me, I just hope it's opposite Clay Matthews in the Green & Gold.

Dumervil has a 6'6 wingspan if I remember right.

[mario]

That's my boy! Nice ctach by Colin Peek :)

ROLL TIDE!

[TACKLE]

Dumervil has a 6'6 wingspan if I remember right.

Something like that. His arms are freakishly long compared to his height.

[CashmoneyDrew]

Kris Jenkins is a Dan Williams fan!

[diabsoule]

I could see Tennessee, Atlanta, Houston, New England, Philly, Baltimore, Arizona, New Orleans and Indy all interested in getting a pass rusher. I don't see him getting past all those teams.

Right now I have Graham going to Philly in my mock draft.

[Babylon]

Taylor Mays with the INT. Take that all of you who want Mays to fail just so so can say "I told you so".

I think it's more like i hope he falls to us.

Impressed Dan Williams and Brandon Graham, big time.

[Sniper]

Right now I have Graham going to Philly in my mock draft.

And right now, I'll mock you a Super Bowl ring in exchange. Seems fair.

[Hines]

I'm still wondering if Graham will move up into the 1st. I still think he could struggle at the combine and stay as a high 2nd round pick. Maybe some team takes him late 1st though, a la Larry English.

I wouldn't call English a late first, though. He was drafted 16th or 18th if I remember.

[ironman4579]

I wouldn't call English a late first, though. He was drafted 16th or 18th if I remember.

16th overall. That's mid first to me, not late first.

[Xonraider]

I am back for the 1st half, looks like an interesting game.

[BaLLiN]

do you need nfl network to watch it? :(

[Go_Eagles77]

Brandon Graham needs to be an eagle.

[Xonraider]

Graham representin'!

[FrankGore]

To me, Graham is now a top 20 pick. Hopefully lands in San Francisco.

[sup3rdup3r]

To me, Graham is now a top 20 pick. Hopefully lands in San Francisco.

I agree with this

[superpack84]

Brandon Graham needs to be an eagle.


I know the Packers have bigger needs, but if Graham is still there, I could see them taken him and put him on the other side of Matthews.

[superpack84]

To me, Graham is now a top 20 pick. Hopefully lands in San Francisco.

Yeah the guy is having a big week at the Senior Bowl. He should be, becoming a top 20 pick now for those 3-4 teams.

[BaLLiN]

is there a channel besides NFL network you can watch the game on?

[critesy]

need more ben tate

[Grizzlegom]

some things i've noticed so far:

Cody and Dan Williams on the field at the same time is causing massive problems in the middle but they've run to the outside when that happens and none of the south DEs keep containment so it usually goes for a decent play. Either way, Cody and Williams both look like legit NTs.

Brandon Graham is a monster with a non-stop motor.

Ditto for Jared Odrick. Graham should be thanking Odrick because he's had one-on-ones because Odrick has been double teamed just about every play.

Patrick Robinson looks like the best corner in this game supporting the run and playing the pass.

Jarrett Brown has a cannon but needs coaching. Canfield's lack of arm strength is scaring me. Tebow and Pike were both very inconsistent, especially with accuracy. Zac Robinson looked good in the two minute drill.

[critesy]

need more ben tate

as i say this he makes a nice ST tackle. vey niiiice.

[TitanHope]

is there a channel besides NFL network you can watch the game on?

Nope, only on NFL Network. You can watch online if you can find a stream though.

[iworshipbender]

I like Dan LeFevour way more than Tim Tebow.

[BigBanger]

Nope, only on NFL Network. You can watch online if you can find a stream though.
Whoever has a link needs to show it off.

[TitanHope]

Whoever has a link needs to show it off.

The best quality I've found, but it's behind the live broadcast by about a minute: http://atdhe.net/9010/watch-2010-under-armour-senior-bowl