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MaxV
01-24-2010, 05:16 PM
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chad72
01-24-2010, 07:25 PM
It is understated how well Manning has played well in this playoffs. 5 TDs 1 INT compared to his 3 TDs, 7 INT performance in our SB winning season, notched against two top 5 Ds in the Ravens and Jets back-to-back. I think this is the best back-to-back playoff performance in Manning's career, IMO. At no point in time did he ever put our defense in a difficult spot. He is playing like a regular season MVP for the first time in the postseason too.

Garcon and Collie, boy have they exceeded expectations. I really felt Marvin Harrison could have really been detrimental to Manning's playoff career considering how many INTs were passes thrown Harrison's way, how little production Harrison had in his playoff career and most importantly how little Harrison took Wayne under his wing to teach him the nuances of the WR position like Wayne did with Garcon and Collie this year. I will take Wayne over Harrison in the postseason any day for that singular reason.

If only Garcon went over 100 yards, it is purely Garcon but if you have 2 WRs go over 100 yards in a playoff game, it is your MVP QB. #1 pass D, yeah right, wait till you play Manning for one full game.:)

Our running game, call it whatever you want but when we needed to run enough clock, were just effective enough. McAfee was spectacular as he has been throughout the season and this playoffs. Kudos to Polian for finding Garcon, Collie, and McAfee, we wouldn't be in the SB without those 3. Those guys are not only physical to fight jams at the line of scrimmage, they block for the run better than Gonzalez and Harrison too. I really wonder if Gonzo will be relegated to just a slot WR when he comes back. Man, the prospect is scary.

I'd prefer the Vikings since the number of wideouts our CBs have to cover will be fewer unlike the Saints that have too many options. We don't have a D-line like the Vikings to deal with the Saints' weapons but we have Manning that can handle both the Vikings and Saints' secondaries. However, I do like our DE's chances against both the Vikings and Saints OTs. Plus, if it was Brees vs Manning, Manning would be a clear favorite but if it was Favre vs Manning, Favre may get the analysts' nod more than Manning thus providing more ammo for the Colts' motivation. I would prefer the Vikings for all the above reasons.

MaxV
01-24-2010, 07:48 PM
Our DBs got burned a bit vs. the Jets and we couldn't get off the field on several 3rd-and-longs. I hope we'll have Powers back for the SB.

As far as who we match up better against.

On offense, I would say we definitely prefer to play the Saints.
On defense, I would say that Vikings might be a better matchup, but not by much.

Vikings might not have as many WR options, but they do have more then enough and they have AD.


It's close, but I would say that Saints might be a better matchup for us. It would probably be a shootout and we have a good track record with shootouts.

MaxV
01-24-2010, 09:24 PM
Saints it is.

Very tough Matchup for our Defense.

Manning and Co. will need to put up a lot of crooked numbers on the board.

chad72
01-24-2010, 09:33 PM
IMO, the Saints D had a lot of questionable hits on Favre. I hope the league fines them for it. I never thought I would say this about Saints' players but that D sure looked dirty.

If not for Favre coughing it up at the end of regulation and the Vikings' case of fumbilities, the refs bailing them out with a PI call in OT, and an incompletion called a completion, the Saints would have no business to be here.

Let the Saints franchise have its 2 weeks of glory, that will be their last win this season.

killxswitch
01-25-2010, 07:23 AM
When Favre got twisted up and had to be helped off the field, I thought it would be a better game for us to play the Vikings. But that old SOB just came back on the field and still made some plays. With weapons like Berrian, Shiancoe, Harvin, and Rice, I'd actually rather play the Saints. Either team would be a tough opponent so I guess it didn't really matter. Bring on the Saints!

Saints-Tigers
01-25-2010, 07:30 AM
You guys can't play any of your New Orleans born players against us. discuss!

NEvermind, to thank us for Peyton and Reggie, you can cough up some turnovers please, and bench Dwight Freeney.

MaxV
01-25-2010, 08:40 AM
You guys can't play any of your New Orleans born players against us. discuss!

NEvermind, to thank us for Peyton and Reggie, you can cough up some turnovers please, and bench Dwight Freeney.

Well, in that case you can't play a guy who played his college ball for Purdue in Indy (Drew Brees). :)

Saints-Tigers
01-25-2010, 08:50 AM
Dammit! That's not fair, because I let you keep Joe Addai.

MaxV
01-25-2010, 09:07 AM
I forgot about Porter and Roby. Both are standout Hoosier products.

YAYareaRB
01-25-2010, 01:08 PM
Got this off of Freddie's facebook.. Go Colts! (don't worry he's my cousin so.. I'm not weird like that hahaha)

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killxswitch
01-28-2010, 07:40 AM
I always liked Freddie K. Met him once in person and he was a nice guy. He had a serious stand out game vs. the Pats when he was either a rookie or first year guy, 10+ tackles and he was just all over the field. He never quite got back to that level though.

YAYareaRB
01-28-2010, 10:31 AM
I'm just happy the only two Fijians in the league are related to me.. Freddie being one of them

chad72
01-28-2010, 10:50 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/28/gregg-williams-suggests-the-saints-want-to-injure-manning/

To me, if the Saints' fans come back whining about questionable 15 yard penalties, they can thank Gregg Williams for it.:rolleyes:

MaxV
01-28-2010, 11:37 AM
That's very classy on the part of Williams. :rolleyes:

the_legend_killer
01-28-2010, 11:44 AM
You stay classy Gregg Williams.

chad72
01-28-2010, 02:53 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/334235-has-gregg-williams-turned-his-saints-into-sinners

Others have caught on, too.

MaxV
01-31-2010, 09:43 PM
$#%@!!!!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4874674

I hope he can still go and be effective, even if in limited role.

BuffaloBillsFan
02-01-2010, 12:35 AM
Colts are going to win.

killxswitch
02-01-2010, 08:15 AM
$#%@!!!!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/2009/news/story?id=4874674

I hope he can still go and be effective, even if in limited role.

I've heard it suggested that he and Mathis should switch so Freeney can pivot off of his left leg. IMO that'd be better than him not playing at all.

I still think we can win without him, but it will be a lot harder.

wicket
02-02-2010, 07:14 AM
good luck on the game and handling the pre game stress, I hope you guys will hate the result but I hope its going to be a good one. Ill try and keep the trolling to a minimum, btw are you guys as stressed out as I am?

MaxV
02-02-2010, 07:33 AM
I'm calm.

Even if Freeney will go, I think Brock will get the majority of snaps. We might need to blitz a bit more in this game.

killxswitch
02-02-2010, 08:33 AM
I'm not stressed. Excited, but not really stressed, no. Freeney will probably only be rotated in for obvious passing situations, which I expect will be hard with Payton calling the plays. Probably a lot of throws on 1st and 2nd down and changes to run plays when Freeney comes in.

chad72
02-02-2010, 03:48 PM
good luck on the game and handling the pre game stress, I hope you guys will hate the result but I hope its going to be a good one. Ill try and keep the trolling to a minimum, btw are you guys as stressed out as I am?

I am assuming you are a Saints fan. Losses happen, one team has to lose. If that team happens to be the Colts, I'd personally rather lose to Brees and the Saints than Favre & the Vikings, enough said.:)

It is a media circus and a 24/7 world of hype we live in, the best thing is tune everything out and come back for kickoff on SB Sunday. I am never able to enjoy the pre-game festivities of my team because all I care about is the result of the game. But if my team wins, I regret not enjoying the time leading up to it. Someday, maybe someday, I will learn to relax and care two hoots about the game and be able to separate tailgating from the actual game, win or lose.

I am sure winning 2 SBs will help as a Colts fan. Anything else for Manning, I would consider gravy as a fan regardless of how serious the team is.:)

RagingColt
02-03-2010, 09:24 PM
Agree with Chad. Before the Bears/Colts SB 3 years ago I was a bit worried how the team would play, but that was just nerves blasting off. This year, I feel pretty relaxed, the Colts have shown they are capable of beating anyone anywhere regardless of the style that teams play against them. That said, the Saints team is the best team they will play all year in all 3 phrases. If the Colts lose, sure I'll be bummed about it, but at least the Saints would then get a huge W for their franchise and for the entire region.

Really don't find the things that G.Williams said last week insulting or anything, he's a D Coordinator, what else is he suppose to say? The media, who have nothing to really write about this time of the year, really just went with that and ran with the story and grossly blew it out of proportion. Brees and Pierre Thomas are both Big Ten players, which I typically root for when they make it to the NFL. It was great watching Brees set all kind of records while at Purdue under Tiller's version of the Spread and great to see a non-traditional Big Ten power win games. Football wise, Brees put that program back on the map. Sean Payton was my universities all time leading QB stats wise going back to the mid 1980s, at Eastern Illinois, until Tony Romo came along, so it's hard to root against him as a coach.

Like Chad, I don't watch much to any pre-game stuff. Rather spend time with friends than listening to any pregame deal. and family I find that if I do, the game is just less enjoyable to watch. Just show the game, that's all I care about.

More than anything, I want to see a well played game w/out injuries by either team. Like the Colts chances of winning the game, but if they don't ithen it means a great team, the Saints have won for a great city.

vikes_28
02-04-2010, 11:22 AM
You guys should be able to demolish the saints. They only put up 31 points on us after we turned the ball over 5 times. And I know for a fact that your offense will take care of the ball better than we would have. Good luck, i'm rooting or ya guys.

killxswitch
02-04-2010, 02:15 PM
You guys should be able to demolish the saints. They only put up 31 points on us after we turned the ball over 5 times. And I know for a fact that your offense will take care of the ball better than we would have. Good luck, i'm rooting or ya guys.

I know every matchup is different but I just don't think the Saints defense is going to be able to stop the Colts. Thanks for the well wishes. I know it must suck to see your team choke like that (believe me as a Colts fan I've seen more than a few post season chokes), but I am glad we're playing the Saints as I think the Vikings would've been a tougher matchup for us.

chad72
02-05-2010, 03:18 PM
I know every matchup is different but I just don't think the Saints defense is going to be able to stop the Colts. Thanks for the well wishes. I know it must suck to see your team choke like that (believe me as a Colts fan I've seen more than a few post season chokes), but I am glad we're playing the Saints as I think the Vikings would've been a tougher matchup for us.

Saints are the Chargers of the NFC, they are a very good screening team, they have tall WRs that can outjump our CBs and they can get a lot of big plays on their passing offense. Brees' has had his share of struggles against the Cover 2 and Cover 3 schemes of the Bucs in the past, Coyer's experience at Tampa and in Denver (though Brees' was in a different offensive scheme with the Chargers) playing against Brees should help.

To me, this game is about 2 key things for the Colts to win the game:

1. Running the ball for over 100 yards to control tempo, minimize turnovers that the Saints' D thrives on, keep our DL rotation fresh with Freeney not playing most downs even if he plays, and do what other teams do to Manning, keep Brees' on the sidelines and restrict their playcalling if they fall behind. The Saints have given up 19 rushing TDs while they gave up 15 passing TDs and 26 INTs. Most of their playoff TDs have also been rushing TDs. What does that tell you? Pass and run in a balanced fashion to get to the red zone, and while in the red zone, run more than pass thus reducing the turnover factor the Saints' D thrives on.

2. Our LBs and CBs tackling real well and keeping things in front of them thus possibly forcing a mistake from the Saints' offense if they go for a big play every now and then. If the tackling is bad, all bets are off. We know we have the speed to get to the RB that catches the screen pass, the question is can we get him down with a sure tackle almost every time.

I think I may have touched upon this a while ago. I do feel our pass D has slightly regressed with all the injuries to our secondary but our run D numbers have improved compared to the previous year (if you take the last 2 games' numbers away). But the key to note is the Saints still rely on the run for their play action to work. If the Saints cannot run the ball well, their playcalling can get one-dimensional and easier for us to defend.

MaxV
02-05-2010, 03:41 PM
With Saints big play capability, we'll have to play 2-deep, which will create running opportunities.

In the game like this, our LBs will have to play VERY well both vs. the run and vs. the pass.

I hope we take it.

MaxV
02-07-2010, 08:58 PM
Congrats Saints. A well deserved victory.

Man, we made so many mistakes in this game. Dropped passes, missed assignments, bad reads, bad play-calling, inability to get a on-side kick. You name it.

I hope we improve next season.

chad72
02-07-2010, 10:14 PM
Too many mistakes and penalties. Heck, I called that onside kick at my neighbor's SB party knowing Sean Payton's penchant for risk taking, too bad the Colts could not be ready for it and that changed the complexion of the game.

I had called in to the Dan Dakich show earlier this year (1070 The Fan) and told him this Colts D's achilles heel is a QB running a 2 minute offense on them and recovering onside kicks (we lost 3 onside kicks attempted against us this year - Seahawks game, Titans game, and now in the SB). Then Vince Young and Alex Smith drove the ball down on our D at the end of the half in a 2 minute drill with spread formations (a QB not named Brady, Rivers or Schaub, to point out). Dan Dakich laughed at my comments saying that if that is the greatest weakness, he will take that weakness, yeah right!!!

This Colts' D is more stout against the run than the pass if you spread it out. Tom Brady would have killed us if the Pats didn't turn the ball over in the end zone twice (Bethea INT and Maroney fumble) because he played spread formation against us throughout the game, running and passing out of those formations. It was a matter of time before an elite QB made us pay for it.

D-Unit
02-07-2010, 10:34 PM
I know you guys didn't win, but Congrats on a great season. In a way, I think this is a win because now you don't have to worry about whether or not you guys gave up on the Perfect season. That might've been equally as sickening.

CJSchneider
02-07-2010, 10:51 PM
Good Game Colts, that wasn't an easy victory - we had to earn that one. 14 points seem a lot smaller of a margin of victory when it is against you guys.

chad72
02-08-2010, 07:12 AM
Our pass rush would have gotten us killed against Favre too, huge dropoff if Freeney is not 100%. Freeney, Mathis, and Brackett have been way too banged up the last few seasons heading into the playoffs or in the playoffs and I am starting to wonder if our undersized personnel drafted for the Dungy system can ever remain healthy for a whole 16 game regular season. Could never explain why we want back to our zone coverage Cover 2 when our press coverage in the first quarter was working so well against Brees, bad game plan on the biggest stage on D. Kudos to NO for taking the underneath stuff.

Lack of pressure and the Saints not forcing the big play and not having turnovers, starting with the end of the 1st quarter, that is where the game really started changing. The onside kick sealed the momentum shift, IMO.

MaxV
02-08-2010, 07:39 AM
Yeah, I wondered that myself.

Colts played scared on D. And they just refused to alter the game-plan, despite the fact that it clearly wasn't working.

TitanHope
02-08-2010, 08:37 AM
Sorry about the loss guys. I was rootin' for Peyton, being a former Tennessee Vol. I want him to go down as the best that's ever played. Plus, I was holding out faint hope that he would retire sooner if he got another ring, thus leaving the AFC South to be taken over by the Titans. :D

Nevertheless, congrats on a still spectacular season. Losing the big game is tough, but ya'll ain't goin' anywhere. Besides, at least ya'll already have a championship... :(

touchdownmaker
02-08-2010, 10:22 AM
I am sorry about the loss. I really felt like the better team lost. It seemed pretty clear that he was going to score on the second to last drive. It would have been pretty hard to prevent that pick. Its a timing route and CB made a play.

The worst part about it is that now some how these pundits are going to tarnish Payton's legacy. He is the best QB of his time period.

MaxV
02-08-2010, 10:45 AM
I am sorry about the loss. I really felt like the better team lost. It seemed pretty clear that he was going to score on the second to last drive. It would have been pretty hard to prevent that pick. Its a timing route and CB made a play.

The worst part about it is that now some how these pundits are going to tarnish Payton's legacy. He is the best QB of his time period.

I think the result is justified. Saints were the better team imo. They played a great game. Big props to them.

I do agree regarding the INT play. That's the Colts money play in those situations (3rd-and-medium with blitz coming) and it has worked SO MANY times that it's no surprise that they went with it. I believe Porter (or another Saints CB) was beaten on a similar play earlier in that drive. Props to Porter and Saints' staff, they did their homework. He smelled it out. He got the inside position and made a great break for the ball.

BTW, Porter was another player that I remember being high on during his draft year. I remember James Hardy was getting all the hype, but I felt Porter was IU's best prospect.

chad72
02-08-2010, 11:41 AM
I think the result is justified. Saints were the better team imo. They played a great game. Big props to them.

I do agree regarding the INT play. That's the Colts money play in those situations (3rd-and-medium with blitz coming) and it has worked SO MANY times that it's no surprise that they went with it. I believe Porter (or another Saints CB) was beaten on a similar play earlier in that drive. Props to Porter and Saints' staff, they did their homework. He smelled it out. He got the inside position and made a great break for the ball.

BTW, Porter was another player that I remember being high on during his draft year. I remember James Hardy was getting all the hype, but I felt Porter was IU's best prospect.

Reggie's break on the ball was not as good as we have seen him in the past. Even the out route where Jenkins got a jump on, you could tell the spring in his step was missing, maybe there was something to Reggie's injury more than the Colts let on. I do believe that if Reggie was 100%, Manning would have called a double move when he saw the Saints playing man in the 4th quarter once they got the lead, he probably did not do it since Reggie was playing hurt. When the Pats were playing Garcon man and playing him close, Manning called a "slugo" route, a slant and go and Garcon caught a TD. A similar thing for Reggie would have been in store if he were 100%. Saints played with safety help earlier in the game on Wayne but changed it and got more aggressive to jumping routes in the 4th quarter since they were confident Brees would score again on our D that was getting no pressure on him while up 24-17, any DC would have done that. Not to take away from Porter but Reggie's effort was wanting in that play and in that dropped pass in the end zone at the end where he almost closed his eyes.

yourfavestoner
02-08-2010, 12:27 PM
I am sorry about the loss. I really felt like the better team lost. It seemed pretty clear that he was going to score on the second to last drive. It would have been pretty hard to prevent that pick. Its a timing route and CB made a play.

The worst part about it is that now some how these pundits are going to tarnish Payton's legacy. He is the best QB of his time period.

Lolz (10 char)

killxswitch
02-08-2010, 02:39 PM
I don't feel all that bad about the loss. Not as bad as I expected. The Colts played hard but got beat. If they'd played stupid and messed around then I would be really upset, but the Saints were just the better team. I posted in late December, either here or on coltfreaks.com, that it had been a long time since the defense went up against a good QB with good receivers. It sure looked like it. Manning didn't have a terrible game, but he is hardly the sure-fire best ever QB that he would've been had they won. I put this loss more on the D not being able to recover from that damn onside kick. They went backwards and started playing Ron Meeks defense, and Brees made them pay by keeping Manning off the field and scoring.

MaxV
02-08-2010, 03:10 PM
I posted my view of our needs in the draft thread.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=34106&page=3

Time for the off-season to begin. :(