Trade Sims?

[frubulubu]

Should the Lions trade LB Sims? With the emergence of Levy? While he may have some trade value.

[WMD]

We should take what we can get for him. Yes, trade him.

[SINCE1978]

Wait until Broduer reads this ... hahaha! (You are new to the site, welcome ... that will make more sense over time!) Sims trade value is as low now as it probably ever has been with the lack of productivity & injuries in 2009. I would like to get a draft pick for him but my guess is they hang on to him.

[noondog]

I don't see the point whatsoever. As Since1978 said, his value has never been lower. He will provide depth at LB next season and can play on ST. If I'm not mistaken, his contract is up after this season anyhow...if he shows up, re-sign to a depth player type of contract, if not then let him walk.

I don't see us getting anything higher than maybe a fifth for him at this point.

[detknowitall]

Trade him if your sticking with a 4-3 or if Peterson is staying. If your cutting Julian then you have to keep him. My gut says that they are keeping Peterson as they can't afford to get rid of good players at any position for any price. But if they do trade him I think you get a 3rd or 4th at best.

If they move to a 3-4 you'll have to hang onto him.

[SINCE1978]

Trade him if your sticking with a 4-3 or if Peterson is staying. If your cutting Julian then you have to keep him. My gut says that they are keeping Peterson as they can't afford to get rid of good players at any position for any price. But if they do trade him I think you get a 3rd or 4th at best.

If they move to a 3-4 you'll have to hang onto him.

What are you talking about "if they move to a 3-4"???

[frubulubu]

Wait until Broduer reads this ... hahaha! (You are new to the site, welcome ... that will make more sense over time!) Sims trade value is as low now as it probably ever has been with the lack of productivity & injuries in 2009. I would like to get a draft pick for him but my guess is they hang on to him.

Thanks for the warm welcome. Any advise you have about the forum?

[StorminNorman]

Neither Ernie Sims nor Jeff Backus are half as bad as Lions fans think they are.

[WMD]

Neither Ernie Sims nor Jeff Backus are half as bad as Lions fans think they are.
What makes you think that?

[Prowler]

Thanks for the warm welcome. Any advise you have about the forum?

try to stick to the main few threads because almost all of us read every single post and check the forum daily.

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[StorminNorman]

What makes you think that?

Because both are solid starters and yet Lions fans constantly talk about how terrible they are. It's doesn't match the reality of either player.

[zachsaints52]

What exactly does Sim do wrong? And if he was actually on the trade block, Id love the Saints to try at him.

[zachsaints52]

What makes you think that?

Madden says otherwise ;)

[cvv84]

What exactly does Sim do wrong? And if he was actually on the trade block, Id love the Saints to try at him.

He doesn't fit their defense anyone since they scrapped the cover 2 that Rod Marinelli employed. Sims can be a tackling machine but he's not of a playmaker. He battled injuries this year and has fallen out of favor with the new coaching staff.

[StorminNorman]

He doesn't fit their defense anyone since they scrapped the cover 2 that Rod Marinelli employed. Sims can be a tackling machine but he's not of a playmaker. He battled injuries this year and has fallen out of favor with the new coaching staff.

Show me a report where he "fell out of favor" with the coaching staff.

Also, simply because he was drafted to play in a Tampa 2 doesn't mean is the only place he fits. The defense Sims play in at FSU is very similar to Schwartz's.

[woodnick]

The way I see it is that either Sims or Peterson are expendable if we can get decent value in return for either of them. That said I think most people would prefer to move Sims because Levy has proven that he can play WLB and due to Sims' age he might be able to bring a decent pick in return for us.

[cvv84]

Show me a report where he "fell out of favor" with the coaching staff.

Also, simply because he was drafted to play in a Tampa 2 doesn't mean is the only place he fits. The defense Sims play in at FSU is very similar to Schwartz's.

How do you explain all the trade rumors surrounding Sims then? But then again, you think that Sims and Backus aren't as bad and people think so I'm not about to get into a debate about something that the rest of us know the truth about.

[Calvin & Kevin]

Levy will be our MLB of the future. If he were going to be WLB, then fine trade Sims at all costs. But as long as Levy will be MLB, then Sims can still be useful at weakside. He will finally have another useful player in the LB corps with him and maybe he can stop trying to make every play on his own and just do his job.

God knows, the Lions have enough holes to address without having to make another one. Sims showed improvement toward the end of 09 and I am fine with them going forward with Sims at WLB, Levy at MLB and Peterson at SLB. That is a fine LB corps for my money and they can look at replacing Peterson in the 2010-11 offseason.

Edit: don't get me wrong, if someone wants to give us a 2nd round pick for Sims then yeah do it. But a 3rd rounder or anything of lesser value, no.

[StorminNorman]

How do you explain all the trade rumors surrounding Sims then? But then again, you think that Sims and Backus aren't as bad and people think so I'm not about to get into a debate about something that the rest of us know the truth about.

There is not a single, verifiable trade rumor linking Ernie Sims to anyone. They are all, for the most part media and fan generated.

[Prowler]

i'd gladly take the 3rd rounder. sims is garbage. he's undisciplined and vastly undersized.

http://profootballfocus.com/by_position.php?tab=by_position&season=2009&pos=OLB3&stype=r&runpass=&teamid=11&numsnaps=25&numgames=1

he had 7 missed tackles in limited action and gave up 22 of 24 catches in coverage. and 2008 his stats were even worse. 2007 was his best year and he was still a liability that made a ton of tackles. he's too undersized to play the run. i love the way he hits people but please cut him or trade him. he stinks of millen.

[Prowler]

http://blog.mlive.com/highlightreel/2010/01/lions_need_more_magic_from_gen.html

just found this

No, Peterson still has value in this defense; the trade bait has to be someone else: an undersized, overpaid, underperforming defender with no clear role.

Ernie Sims.

Sims was locked in constant battle with Levy for starting reps and playing time, and has been maddeningly inconsistent throughout his four-year career. He'll flash breathtaking quickness and incredible hitting ability one week, and a total inability to hit the correct hole or tackle well the next. That reckless, undisciplined play is bad enough when it comes from an otherwise excellent defender – but when it comes from Sims, it's inexcusable. All that freelancing has generated only 2.5 sacks, 5 passes defensed, and 1 INT in his entire career.

Think in these terms: what's a need on this team that a rookie can't fill? Positions that need development: wide receiver, cornerback, defensive end. Any rookie drafted to fill any of these needs would probably be 2-3 years away from performing well. Potential trade partners would run an aggressive, blitzing defense, and have an available player at one of those positions.

To borrow a phrase, the strictures and conventions of sportswriting compel me to predict a few possibilities: Philadelphia and Jason Avant. New Orleans and Robert Meacham/Devery Henderson. If the Chargers have had their fill of Shawne Merriman's off-field hijinx, maybe even San Diego and Antonio Cromartie.

as much as mlive sucks, any of those deals would be a steal.

[Whitebull]

I never understood why all discussion in this Lions forum is essentially confined to 2 threads. Why even have this whole forum, such a waste. Scotts given us a whole forum so we can have as many threads as there are lions topics to discuss. If we were sharing it, I can see 1 or 2 threads. It'd be way easier to read if we explored the space, although I don't come here and read or post much anyway (alot to do with those factors).

[Prowler]

lol go to the team boards page and check out how many new threads lions fans have compared to everyone else. 878 threads is ridiculous and most of the time we all just end up having to post the exact same argument 7 times because each thread devolves into the same people talking about the same things. its just easier to keep it to as few as possible. new threads are good for drawing everybody's attention to some life altering, funny, or news worthy thing that doesn't involve the draft/general discussion or roster moves.

[frubulubu]

try to stick to the main few threads because almost all of us read every single post and check the forum daily.

even if a post has 90 pages of stuff in it, chances are that any new post will just be talking about the previous day's posting. feel free to read back as far as you want since we cover a lot of stuff, but most of it is probably outdated now.

DO NOT go into other team's forums and talk trash unless you are going for negative rep.

Try not to get suckered into a pointless debate that wastes 30 posts and 3 pages because someone challenged your football logic. its not worth it.

Thanks this is really so useful, im grateful for the advise. I m an Eagle fan, but currently live in Detroit, and do cheer for the Lions. Although Eagles are my top team. What are the rep points for?

[Scotty D]

Thanks this is really so useful, im grateful for the advise. I m an Eagle fan, but currently live in Detroit, and do cheer for the Lions. Although Eagles are my top team. What are the rep points for?

People give rep to posts that they like or feel are informative. The more rep you receive the more you can give out. You can also give negative rep to posts/users you don't agree with.

[SINCE1978]

Thanks this is really so useful, im grateful for the advise. I m an Eagle fan, but currently live in Detroit, and do cheer for the Lions. Although Eagles are my top team. What are the rep points for?

(off topic) is McNabb coming to the NFC North if Favre retires?

[SINCE1978]

http://blog.mlive.com/highlightreel/2010/01/lions_need_more_magic_from_gen.html

just found this



as much as mlive sucks, any of those deals would be a steal.

If we could do trade w/ the Super Chargers ... Sims for Cromartie that would really rock.

(off topic) is McNabb coming to the NFC North if Favre retires? I hear he likes purple! (lol)

[Scotty D]

What exactly does Sim do wrong? And if he was actually on the trade block, Id love the Saints to try at him.

What would you give up for him??? Any of those WRs??? :D

(off topic) is McNabb coming to the NFC North if Favre retires?

Highly possible. I heard John Clayton talking about it today on ESPN. Not to worried though.

[zachsaints52]

What would you give up for him??? Any of those WRs??? :D

I was thinking a pick haha... But to be honest Id do Henderson for him. Meachem has proving to be a solid #2 soon and resigning Moore would leave him open for a trade.

[WMD]

I was thinking a pick haha... But to be honest Id do Henderson for him. Meachem has proving to be a solid #2 soon and resigning Moore would leave him open for a trade.

Deal. You do Henderson, and we'll give Ernie Sims to the Saints.

Fair trade, right guys?

[zachsaints52]

Deal. You do Henderson, and we'll give Ernie Sims to the Saints.

Fair trade, right guys?

Haha... to be honest think Greg Williams could help him? Is he a blitzer?

[Scotty D]

Haha... to be honest think Greg Williams could help him? Is he a blitzer?

I think he could use a change of scenery. He's been through some rough seasons here. I don't care what you say, that much losing can have a negative effect on certain types of people. Someone else could tell how good of a blitzer he is, I'm not really sure how good he is at it.

Henderson seems like a guy that could take advantage of all the attention put on Calvin, I'd definitely take him.

[Prowler]

devery fits the vertical mold perfectly and will contribute immediately.

devery henderson- 82 targets 51 receptions 5 drops 804 yards 2 TD 4 Ints 75 long

bryant johnson-83 targets 36 receptions 7 drops 426 yards 3 TD 5 Ints 36 long

better hands, production, and more explosive. and he did that in a vertical role already so should put up comparable numbers and allow bryant to slip back to the slot where he's best. 15 more receptions and 400 yards would have went a long way this year.

[Prowler]

(off topic) is McNabb coming to the NFC North if Favre retires?

i would think that's the best scenario for the teams involved. kolb can clearly play and mcnabb isn't getting any younger. if they keep kolb on the bench any longer then they risk alienating him and having to start over in a couple years. the vikings should be willing to do what it takes to get mcnabb on their team since they experienced the benefits of having an established QB at the helm this year. the philly fans clearly hate donovan and love kolb so it won't hurt their fanbase. it makes too much sense for them not to do it.

[DrunkenLament]

devery fits the vertical mold perfectly and will contribute immediately.

devery henderson- 82 targets 51 receptions 5 drops 804 yards 2 TD 4 Ints 75 long

bryant johnson-83 targets 36 receptions 7 drops 426 yards 3 TD 5 Ints 36 long

better hands, production, and more explosive. and he did that in a vertical role already so should put up comparable numbers and allow bryant to slip back to the slot where he's best. 15 more receptions and 400 yards would have went a long way this year.


Too be fair Henderson had Brees throwing to him while Johnson had well Stafford, Culpepper, and Stanton throwing to him. Thats quite a difference if you ask me.

i would think that's the best scenario for the teams involved. kolb can clearly play and mcnabb isn't getting any younger. if they keep kolb on the bench any longer then they risk alienating him and having to start over in a couple years. the vikings should be willing to do what it takes to get mcnabb on their team since they experienced the benefits of having an established QB at the helm this year. the philly fans clearly hate donovan and love kolb so it won't hurt their fanbase. it makes too much sense for them not to do it.

Honestly, if I were the Vikings I'd stay as far away from Mcnabb, or any Eagle quarterback, as possible. The Eagles offense is the closest thing to a "system" offense in the league. Seemingly every back-up quarterback has performed quite well when they've needed to play, most notably the 2006 season.

[frubulubu]

(off topic) is McNabb coming to the NFC North if Favre retires?

I dont know to be honest with you. Im a big Mcnabb fan .I would hate to see him leave to another team, and win a super bowl there. I remember how bad this team was without him, before they drafted him. He took the team with horrible wr's to 4 NFC Championship games, and another just last season. Many people believe we hate Mcnabb, but thats not true, just some do. Fans in Detroit, would love the success to there team, as the one Mcnabb has had in Philly.