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Grizzlegom
01-27-2010, 03:19 PM
Hey guys i know this forum is dead but i figure with it being draft season and all we might have more people frequenting the site and it might be good to get some discussion going about our Phins draft...

So what does every think our team needs are and who are some guys you like?

Personally i'd list our top five team needs as follows:
1. ILB - Crowder is the only guy on our roster that is worthy of a starting position and he has been injured and isnt a playmaker. Ayodele and Torbor are serviceable but neither belong in the starting lineup.
2. OLB - I originally had this as more of a secondary need but after the release of Roth and the likely release of Joey Porter, ILB and OLB are more 1a and 1b. Even if we bring back JT, he isn't an every down guy anymore so we'll need someone to rotate with him opposite Cameron Wake.
3. WR/TE - Chad Henne needs some targets to throw to. its obvious that we have lots of '2s' and '3s' on the roster but we need someone who can legitimately threaten to have a 1000 yard/8 TD season.
4. FS - we have four safeties on the roster and all four are better suited to play SS than FS. if we just had a S that could actually cover a TE last year...
5. NT - Soliai was decent last year and may be the answer and i could see us bringing Ferguson back for a year just to have a rotation and make sure Soliai is the answer but barring Hampton, Franklin, or Wilfork coming to town, I'd bet we draft someone to rotate with Soliai hoping that one of them becomes dominant.

adamprez2003
01-27-2010, 05:20 PM
chris clemons was a rookie for a very difficult position to get down mentally in your first year. We have our FS already. Even if for some reason he cant improve, we could slide Will Allen to FS to try to extend his career. FS to me is off the board.

Agree with the rest but I would add on the bottom of that list RB and OL. RB because Ricky has only one year left and OL because we need to add depth

diabsoule
01-28-2010, 08:41 PM
What do you guys think the chances are that the Dolphins select Terrance Cody in the first round? From everything I've read the coaching staff is infatuated with him and he would fill feel a need for you guys.

Grizzlegom
01-29-2010, 08:34 AM
i think Sparano is a fan of his but he's also said some negative things about him. he has said he'd need to lose some weight and that he'd only be a 2 down player for us right now.

as of now, i dont think we'd take him at 12 but if we traded back or if he loses some weight and shows up at the combine in better shape i think he could work his way up our board. as much as the coaching staff liked him this week, i think it would be hard to convince Parcells not to take a LB this year given his infatuation with LBers and how big of a need it is for us.

Da-Phins
01-31-2010, 11:44 PM
Yeah I dont see us taking Cody that early. Maybe if we can trade down. I think LB is gonna be the position that we are gonna target with our early picks. Please Baby Jesus let Ronaldo McClain be there.

diabsoule
02-01-2010, 11:44 AM
If McClain isn't there who do you think you guys take in the first round?

Grizzlegom
02-01-2010, 01:52 PM
if mcclain isnt there, i'd hope we'd give Dez Bryant a look first and if both are gone, probably a rushbacker, be it Kindle (personal fav), JPP, Everson Griffen, Derrick Morgan, etc. Some sleepers would be Taylor Mays (Parcells loves big DBs), Dan Williams (NT and we coached him at the senior bowl), and CJ Spiller (i don't think RB is a real need but Ricky and ronnie will both be in the final years of their contracts and cobbs and ronnie are both coming off injury so i wouldn't be entirely shocked as Spiller and Lex Hilliard would be a great one-two punch in the future and spiller could replace Ronnie as a wildcatalyst).

BuffaloBillsFan
02-06-2010, 03:38 PM
I will cry if you guys land McClain, I'd hate to play him twice a year.

draftguru151
02-06-2010, 03:59 PM
McClain/Dez/Griffen/Kindle is my board for the first rounder.

And I don't see any way you can take FS "off the board" It was by far the worst position on the team last year. I like Clemons but there is no way you put everything in his basket, especially with how deep safety is this year.

Caddy
02-06-2010, 04:02 PM
McClain/Dez/Griffen/Kindle is my board for the first rounder.

And I don't see any way you can take FS "off the board" It was by far the worst position on the team last year. I like Clemons but there is no way you put everything in his basket, especially with how deep safety is this year.

Nope you guys get Tebow.

Tebow + Pat White = Win.

BuffaloBillsFan
02-06-2010, 05:42 PM
Mays/McClain/Spiller/Gresham

All of those guys would make Miami a much better team, I've watched plenty of your games this year, and would hate to face any of those guys. You could definitely use some WR help, but Gresham could fill in admirably from the TE position, maybe give you guys a possession receiver to take pressure off of Ginn.

Grizzlegom
02-07-2010, 08:26 AM
McClain/Dez/Griffen/Kindle is my board for the first rounder.

And I don't see any way you can take FS "off the board" It was by far the worst position on the team last year. I like Clemons but there is no way you put everything in his basket, especially with how deep safety is this year.

That looks good to me, my big board right now is McClain/Dez/Kindle right now. I haven't seen enough of Griffen to make an opinion on him yet but from what i understand he group up idolizing Suggs and mirrors his game to Suggs' so i wouldn't have an issue with that. I am really scared of JPP though...

and i completely agree with the the FS sentiment, i'd love to get Nate Allen in the second to really push Clemons and give us a true FS option.

Quagmire
02-12-2010, 12:51 PM
Well, I feel that draft/offseason #3 in the "Tuna" regime is the most crucial. There are some critical spots to fill on both sides of the ball, especially on D.

In order, I would rate the defensive needs as:

OLB, ILB, FS, NT

They need a big time pass rusher. Is Wake that guy? Not sure, but I liked what I saw in limited action last yr. A Jason Pierre-Paul on the other side might be the ticket. Crowder is serviceable, the others are just guys at ILB. McClain might be a glove like fit or you might be able to get a Brandon Spikes lower in rd 1 or even in rd 2. Eric Berry would be a dream come true at FS, but that is not happening. Still, Earl Thomas, Chad Jones and some others are intriguing. Finally at NT, I think they can get another yr from Ferguson and develop a replacement. Obviously Dan Williams is a strong name, even Cody is a guy you may consider if he made it to rd 2. Perhaps even a mid to late rd guy to throw in the mix.

Now, throw in potential veteran replacements at these positions.. What about Antrel Rolle at FS or Dansby at ILB? Both would make the draft need drop tremendously at each of their respective positions.. Guess we have to wait til FA to see what happens.

On offense, the 2 most glaring needs are at WR and TE. They need a #1 WR. Is that Dez Bryant or do you wait til later and hope for a Lafell, Benn or Thomas from Ga Tech? They need a pass catching TE to be the David Martin for 2010. Rob Gronkowski, Aaron Hernandez, Dennis Pitta and Jimmy Graham are all names that could fill this role.

Antonio Bryant is a FA and Boldin is definitely available by trade. What do you do? Myself, I keep the picks, sign Bryant and hope that he reverts to his 2008 form. I draft the TE between rds 2 and 4 to be Fasano's backup and the receiving option.

An ideal offseason for me would be to sign Rolle (if he is cut) and Bryant and use the draft's first 4 rds to add to the D with 3 of the picks and a TE with the other. At this very early stage, my favorite choices at # 12 would be Pierre-Paul or McClain if they are available.

Thoughts?

Grizzlegom
02-13-2010, 07:15 PM
Pretty much a lot of the same sentiments as most of us. I would love to bring Antrel back to Miami but with the uncapped year, i doubt he goes anywhere. No thanks for Antonio Bryant as he has had one really good year and has a poor history with Parcells already so i dont see that happening. My favorite guys out in FA this year would be all the NTs, i really hope one of them hits the market (hopefully wilfork) and we can lock down that position in FA although i would bet if none of them do that we bring ferguson back.

how do you guys think i'm doing in the forum mock so far?

1. Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
2a. Traded back with Houston and picked up an extra 4
2b. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
3. Eric Decker, WR, Minnesota
4a. Donald Butler, ILB, Washington
4b. Kendrick Lewis, FS, Mississippi

I'm targeting depth with all the other picks (prolly a OT and C/OG maybe another OLB). I'm prolly gonna try to package the two KC picks to get back into the fifth round to get a TE.

JWZZR
02-18-2010, 11:51 PM
what about haynos I say get rid of fasono.keep Haynos and another guy

Grizzlegom
02-19-2010, 05:33 AM
what about haynos I say get rid of fasono.keep Haynos and another guy

The TE position is actually one im really torn about. I like Fasano and he is a really good blocking TE that is decent as a receiver, a perfect number 2. Haynos on the other hand i'm not too fond of. I think he's a number 3 TE on most teams and he showed he cant handle full-time duty last year. Nalbone and Sperry were both raw rookies that never showed much of anything to warrant us being able to count on them. On the flip side Nalbone was one of those small school sleepers that everyone was high on last year but he was considered a great receiving target that can't block so i wonder if he was just buried because Sparano loves his TEs to block.

Come draft day, I wouldn't be surprised to see us take a TE as high as the second or not at all. It will really depend on how Parcells and company feel about the current group but personally, I'm not too optimistic and i think we need a stud starter because i dont think Haynos, Sperry, or Nalbone have what it takes to be a number one in our offense.

draftguru151
02-19-2010, 07:48 AM
Yea TE is position I can see going either way. With Fasano being young and a good blocker I see him getting another chance to see if he can bounce back after a rough receiving year. Wouldn't mind a guy like Dennis Pitta if he is there in the 4th though.

JWZZR
02-20-2010, 11:34 PM
what about a david martin comeback.

also what up with will Aleen and terry mcdainel


also what would you guys think of a 1 year Terrel Owens stint.

are the dolphins getting rid of gibril wilson he sucks.The dolphins should of signed Patriot Killer Bernard Pollard.

Grizzlegom
02-22-2010, 07:59 PM
what about a david martin comeback.

also what up with will Aleen and terry mcdainel


also what would you guys think of a 1 year Terrel Owens stint.

are the dolphins getting rid of gibril wilson he sucks.The dolphins should of signed Patriot Killer Bernard Pollard.

martin got released already and isn't a parcells type of TE so he won't be back.

Will Allen and Tony McDaniel will likely be in camp but i wouldnt be surprised to see Allen working at FS although i think he would still be our best CB if he's healthy and McDaniel can play all three DL positions so i'd be surprised if he goes unless we bring in a couple more DL.

LOL @ BP signing 'The Player'

Pollard would have been about as useful as wilson since neither are talented enough to bump Bell from SS and neither can play FS very well either. I don't think we'll release Wilson unless we sign a replacement in FA (rolle if he gets cut would be nice).

Grizzlegom
02-23-2010, 03:16 PM
This is what I ended up getting in the forum mock:

1 (12). Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
2. (52). Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
3. (75). Eric Decker, WR, Minnesota
4a. (107). Donald Butler, ILB, Washington
4b. (117). Kendrick Lewis, FS, Mississippi
6a. (163). Andrew Quarless, TE, Penn State
6b. (164). Terrence Johnson, CB, California (PA)
6c. (183). Eric Cook, OL, New Mexico
7a. (193). Sam Young, OT, Notre Dame
7b. (196). Mike Kafka, QB, Northwestern

I made a few trades (traded back in the second to pick up a 4th as well as swapping some 6th and 7th round picks) but overall i was a fan of what I got. Kindle was a bit of a disappointment in the first but McClain and Bryant were gone and although Haden was available, nobody wanted to trade up. I felt that Cody was great value at 52. Decker, Butler, Lewis, and Quarless were all guys that I felt had really good value where I got them and filled needs and all are high on my personal future Dolphins hopefuls. Terrence Johnson was my super sleeper and Cook, Young, and Kafka are all experienced players that could easily stick as depth guys depending how they performed in TC. Kafka was taken because I think with Henne progressing we will be moving back towards a traditional offense so we need to develop a more traditional backup and although he played in the spread, he has the size, skillset, and ability to make the adjustment better than Pat White or possibly even Tyler Thigpen.

wicket
02-23-2010, 03:26 PM
still need a Dolphins GM for a forum mock thing:

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38839

post here to join

Da-Phins
02-25-2010, 06:27 PM
This is what I ended up getting in the forum mock:

1 (12). Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
2. (52). Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
3. (75). Eric Decker, WR, Minnesota
4a. (107). Donald Butler, ILB, Washington
4b. (117). Kendrick Lewis, FS, Mississippi
6a. (163). Andrew Quarless, TE, Penn State
6b. (164). Terrence Johnson, CB, California (PA)
6c. (183). Eric Cook, OL, New Mexico
7a. (193). Sam Young, OT, Notre Dame
7b. (196). Mike Kafka, QB, Northwestern

I made a few trades (traded back in the second to pick up a 4th as well as swapping some 6th and 7th round picks) but overall i was a fan of what I got. Kindle was a bit of a disappointment in the first but McClain and Bryant were gone and although Haden was available, nobody wanted to trade up. I felt that Cody was great value at 52. Decker, Butler, Lewis, and Quarless were all guys that I felt had really good value where I got them and filled needs and all are high on my personal future Dolphins hopefuls. Terrence Johnson was my super sleeper and Cook, Young, and Kafka are all experienced players that could easily stick as depth guys depending how they performed in TC. Kafka was taken because I think with Henne progressing we will be moving back towards a traditional offense so we need to develop a more traditional backup and although he played in the spread, he has the size, skillset, and ability to make the adjustment better than Pat White or possibly even Tyler Thigpen.

That would be a great draft for us.

bigbuc
03-06-2010, 04:19 PM
I see you guys taking Big Dan Williams at 12. Now that you signed Dansby all you need is a new NT and the Tuna loves him some Nt's. I think he would be perfect for your defense.

Grizzlegom
03-08-2010, 02:08 PM
yea, i'm beginning to think the pick is down to Dan Williams and Sergio Kindle with an outside shot of Gresham or Spiller.

I am rooting for a trade down to the late teens for Williams/Gresham/Kindle or even into the mid-20s and take Cody.

Matthew Jones
03-09-2010, 10:09 AM
I just read this awesome article by a Dolphins beat writer. Definitely worth reading, it's incredibly informative and gives like a page of information on every position on the team and lists some guys they like. Most notably, it says that the Dolphins might be most interested in Brandon Graham at #12 overall, or Ricky Sapp at #43 assuming Dez Bryant is off the board. It also talks about how the Dolphins will most likely not draft Sergio Kindle.

http://weblogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports/columnists/hyde/blog/2010/03/analyzing_the_draft_week_6_1.html

thebow305
03-17-2010, 12:06 AM
Ok guys, well, I'm going to start posting articles I find on prospects visiting and guys that we have rumored interest in. We need to liven this Dolphins forum up a bit, so let's start getting it going here! :)

thebow305
03-17-2010, 12:11 AM
"The Dolphins' need at nose tackle is clear to anyone with eyes but while much of the attention has centered around bigger-name prospects such as Dan Williams and Cam Thomas, a source tells me the Dolphins are looking in a different direction.

Think Jeff Owens of Georgia.

The Dolphins' coaching staff liked him in the Senior Bowl, interviewed him during the Indianapolis Combine and has now scheduled a visit to Davie in the coming weeks, the source said http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolph...-on-owens.html (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2010/03/nose-tackle-search-could-focus-on-owens.html) "


I personally hope this is the guy we get to be the NT of the future here. He is exactly the type of guy Parcells likes and this is a great article on Jeff Owens that demonstrates that.

thebow305
03-17-2010, 12:17 AM
Looks like Morgan Burnett could be a target of the Phins, according to Omar Kelly of the Sun-Sentinel:

"Being told GaTech's S Morgan Burnett is a player on the Phins radar. He's moving into 2nd rd range because of instincts (14 INTs in 3 years"

http://twitter.com/OmarKelly/status/10590398403 (http://twitter.com/OmarKelly/status/10590398403)

thebow305
03-17-2010, 12:22 AM
The Phins also look to be interested in Georgia Safety Reshad Jones:

http://gnb.scout.com/2/953606.html

draftguru151
03-17-2010, 07:30 AM
I'd love to bring in Jeff Owens as a NT. I thought it was a position he could excel at, just never saw it mentioned anywhere else. I really like Reshad Jones too but I think he's more of a SS and don't really like the fit here. Not a fan of Morgan Burnett in general, though the fit is there.

Grizzlegom
03-18-2010, 07:55 PM
I'm not sure I like the interest in Jones or Burnett since I would tend to agree that both are more SS than FS which would just continue to add to the cluster of guys we already have like that. If either was still there in the 3rd and we haven't taken one yet I wouldn't be opposed however since I think that'd be good value.

Not a huge fan of Owens but aside from Cody I'm not really a huge fan of any of the NTs this year :-\. I'd honestly rather take a late round guy like Ekom Udofia, Travis Ivey, or DeMarcus Granger than reach for Thomas in the 2nd or Owens/Troup in the 4th...

thebow305
03-20-2010, 11:12 AM
McShay talks about the draft with Omar Kelly and Edgar Thompson:


"McShay said all three players would be a reach at No. 12, said G Tech's Derrick Morgan a better fit, by a nose over USF's Jason Pierre-Paul.

McShay would put Sergio Kindle is second, but said he wasn't as productive at Texas as you'd have hoped, Jerry Hughes of TCU is next.

McShay said top 3-4 LB that fit Bill Parcells' mold is Michigan's Brandon Graham, who "is as good as you'll get in this class."

McShay said top 3-4 LB that fit Bill Parcells' mold is Michigan's Brandon Graham, who "is as good as you'll get in this class."

McShay said real chance WR Dez Bryant doesn't go in first 10, 11 spots - that would leave him to you know who.

Offensive tackles, defensive tackles, impact pass rushers, cornerbacks have more value than WRs, McShay said. "Diva" attitude adds to risk.

McShay said WRs are high risk picks ... have "more busts in first round than majority of other positions."

ESPN's Todd McShay on a conf call, will tweet highlights, said QB Sam Bradford "50-50" to go No. 1 to Rams, unless 3/29 Pro Day goes poorly.
Quote:
"If you can get three starters from a draft, that's a good draft," ESPN's Todd McShay. "Two starts is an average draft."

"It's almost a punishment for the teams drafting in the first three picks. Really the top 7. You wind up paying so much money," Todd McShay.

Todd McShay says Joe Haden is the top CB this year. His Pro days proves his combine was hindered by a back strain. Questions about awareness

Behind Haden, Boise State's Kyle Wilson and Ala. Kareem Jackson are his best CBs. Says Jackson is the most under rated player in the draft.

Todd McShay's sleeper: TE Clay Harbor, WR Seyi Ajirotut, WR David Reed, WR Emmanuel Sanders (says he's a Davone Bess type).

Todd MCShay said the knee injury Clemson' Ricky Sapp is a concern, and points out he was inconsistent "Explosive pass rusher but too many ?"

ESPN's Todd McShay says UM TE Jimmy Graham needs to address some toughness issues, but won't get out of the 4th round.

"It's hard to find human being that are 6-6, 260, and run like him and have his athleticism," McShay said of Jimmy Graham.

"Not overly dominant & could stand to put on a little bit more bulk. I don't know if he has the mean streak you're looking 4," McShay on Fox

ESPN's Todd McShay says UM OT Jason Fox has durability issues, and projects him as a late round pick. "He's a decent athlete."

ESPN's Todd mcShay says Brandon Graham, Sergio Kindle, Jerry Hughes, Koa Misi are the draft's best 3-4 outside linebackers.

"He has accuracy, intelligence, toughness and intangibles. But he also comes with a couple of redflags," McShay on Oklahoma QB Sam Bradford.
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Todd McShay says the draft's No. 1 spot is Sam Bradford's to lose. "A 50-50 chance he winds up going No.1." If fundamentals are off he wont

ESPN's Todd McShay said DE Sergio Kindle was productive at Texas, but needs to get stronger vs. the run. Best as upfield rusher, not OLBer "

http://twitter.com/OmarKelly (http://twitter.com/OmarKelly)

http://twitter.com/edgarthompson (http://twitter.com/edgarthompson)

Grizzlegom
03-29-2010, 07:20 PM
Update from the Forum Mock:

Here's all the moves Jnew and I have made in the Forum mock:
12. Derrick Morgan, OLB, Georgia Tech
43. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
55. Nate Allen, FS, South Florida

We traded Justin Smiley for pick 100 and then packaged picks 73, 100, and 110 for 55 and 116 in order to move up for Nate Allen, whom we felt was AMAZING value and we had to move up to get him.

jnew76
03-30-2010, 02:55 PM
Update from the Forum Mock:

Here's all the moves Jnew and I have made in the Forum mock:
12. Derrick Morgan, OLB, Georgia Tech
43. Terrence Cody, NT, Alabama
55. Nate Allen, FS, South Florida

We traded Justin Smiley for pick 100 and then packaged picks 73, 100, and 110 for 55 and 116 in order to move up for Nate Allen, whom we felt was AMAZING value and we had to move up to get him.

Unfortunately this only goes 5 rounds and we have only one more pick in this draft. With a ton of picks in rounds 6 and 7 we would be able to normally move up and grab an extra pick in the 4th-5th area if one of our targets fell, but we are not trading those picks because they have no use in this format.

fergie 66
04-01-2010, 04:08 AM
lets go and get FS Earl Thomas.............

Quagmire
04-06-2010, 03:23 PM
Man, this board is dead.....

Here are my thoughts. There are only 4 players worth taking at the 12 spot for Miami IMO... In order they are Berry, Suh, Bryant and Spiller.

They need an impact guy and since there is no chance Suh or Berry are there, the only hope is for the offensive side. I am not scared off by Bryant. I think he is a gamechanger and will let this offense really blossom. Some hard coaching and he will be big time (at least early in his career before he has a chance to get too diva) Spiller is a big play waiting to happen and would provide a much needed big play threat.

If somehow none of the 4 are left, I would hope Miami takes Dan Williams or Jared Odrick, two extremely safe and unflashy picks. I hope it does not get to that. Lets hope Dez is there and they go for it. Thoughts?

Catch_23
04-08-2010, 08:45 PM
I completley agree about those 4 prospects your talking about and if Bryant is there i say we have to take him, he is way to good of a player to pass up and he would even fill a huge need at WR. If Spiller is there i would love for us to take him as our offense could use a big play threat but i'm not sure if Bill is going to go down that road right now.

But if both are gone i'd more like to see us take Kindle as i think he would be a better prospect for us even though we would be reaching a little for him. But i would understand taking a guy like Dan Williams as he would fill a need for us but either way we would be reaching for a guy and i would hate for that to happen and i would hate it if Bryant and Spiller are both gone.

Quagmire
04-09-2010, 10:02 AM
Catch,

Of the pass rushers, I think Kindle would make the most sense for Miami because he "fits the suit" for their size/speed criteria. I just don't know about him in coverage. I think he can make a pretty good pass rusher, but I am a little scared of him at #12.... I think a Ricky Sapp in rd 2 could do the same job. Agreed that we really need to hope Bryant is there, because he is exactly what this team needs to help the offense take the next step...

draftguru151
04-09-2010, 10:24 AM
Ricky Sapp is not a good football player. There aren't a lot of guys I'd be upset at if we picked them, he is one of them. He's a pretty good athlete but he doesn't have a great motor and doesn't have any good football skills. I really like Kindle opposite Wake, Kindle has tons of experience at linebacker already, does a very good job of stacking and setting the edge and is also an explosive athlete who can rush the passer. He also has a great motor to boot. I want Dez at 12 but if we don't take him I really hope we take Kindle.

thebow305
04-09-2010, 10:29 AM
Ricky Sapp is not a good football player. There aren't a lot of guys I'd be upset at if we picked them, he is one of them. He's a pretty good athlete but he doesn't have a great motor and doesn't have any good football skills. I really like Kindle opposite Wake, Kindle has tons of experience at linebacker already, does a very good job of stacking and setting the edge and is also an explosive athlete who can rush the passer. He also has a great motor to boot. I want Dez at 12 but if we don't take him I really hope we take Kindle.

Agreed. I am a little higher on Sapp than you I suppose, and I wouldn't be upset if we took him in the 2nd. But I think his real value is in the 3rd round. If we could get a Dez Bryant/Morgan Burnett combo in the 1st two rounds, I would LOVE to get Sapp in the 3rd.

Grizzlegom
04-09-2010, 10:38 AM
Ricky Sapp is not a good football player. There aren't a lot of guys I'd be upset at if we picked them, he is one of them. He's a pretty good athlete but he doesn't have a great motor and doesn't have any good football skills. I really like Kindle opposite Wake, Kindle has tons of experience at linebacker already, does a very good job of stacking and setting the edge and is also an explosive athlete who can rush the passer. He also has a great motor to boot. I want Dez at 12 but if we don't take him I really hope we take Kindle.

I'll get in line with this thinking as well. when the offseason began Kindle was the number one player that I wanted and as time went on other players have come and gone on the who i want list but at the end of the day, I think he's still probably the best fit. I really don't think Bryant is going to make it to our pick but if he did, I'd welcome him with open arms as well and I still love Derrick Morgan as a SOLB opposite Wake as well since he's better against the run than Kindle but I guess that would depend on how BP and company feel about his ability to play in space.

I'm also a Sapp fan but I think 43 is too early for him. I'm still holding out hope that Mount Cody or Nate Allen are there at 43.

Quagmire
04-09-2010, 01:03 PM
Ricky Sapp is not a good football player. There aren't a lot of guys I'd be upset at if we picked them, he is one of them. He's a pretty good athlete but he doesn't have a great motor and doesn't have any good football skills. I really like Kindle opposite Wake, Kindle has tons of experience at linebacker already, does a very good job of stacking and setting the edge and is also an explosive athlete who can rush the passer. He also has a great motor to boot. I want Dez at 12 but if we don't take him I really hope we take Kindle.

Guru, its not that I don't think Kindle can be a good fit, but he has his share of questions too.. His first step is not that great.. I just don't think 12 is a good spot to take that chance. While I agree that Sapp is a question mark, I used him as an example only because I don't think Jerry Hughes makes it to 43... I would much rather take the chance at 43 than 12.

Quagmire
04-09-2010, 01:05 PM
I'll get in line with this thinking as well. when the offseason began Kindle was the number one player that I wanted and as time went on other players have come and gone on the who i want list but at the end of the day, I think he's still probably the best fit. I really don't think Bryant is going to make it to our pick but if he did, I'd welcome him with open arms as well and I still love Derrick Morgan as a SOLB opposite Wake as well since he's better against the run than Kindle but I guess that would depend on how BP and company feel about his ability to play in space.

I'm also a Sapp fan but I think 43 is too early for him. I'm still holding out hope that Mount Cody or Nate Allen are there at 43.

I just don't see Morgan as a 3-4 OLB. I think he is more of LE in a 4-3... I would love Cody in rd 2, but I don't think this regime takes him if he gets there.

Catch_23
04-09-2010, 03:16 PM
Catch,

Of the pass rushers, I think Kindle would make the most sense for Miami because he "fits the suit" for their size/speed criteria. I just don't know about him in coverage. I think he can make a pretty good pass rusher, but I am a little scared of him at #12.... I think a Ricky Sapp in rd 2 could do the same job. Agreed that we really need to hope Bryant is there, because he is exactly what this team needs to help the offense take the next step...

I know what you mean with Kindle but imo he offers us better value at 12 than a guy like Dan Williams does so if Bryant were gone i would much rather see us take Kindle. I'd much rather see us have a 1st 2nd round of Kindle and Cody/ a WR.

Quagmire
04-14-2010, 09:36 AM
Well, things are a little different now... I hope like crazy that they are able to find a trade partner to move down.. Even if they can't get another #2, some addl picks in rds 3 and 4 can really help us now. Big time trade though. If they are stuck at 12, I think it comes down to Williams or Kindle right now with my money being on Williams. Lets hope they can move down and get some more picks. I also hope they keep Ginn and let him be the deep threat now that Marshall will be occupying the #1 CB...

Catch_23
04-14-2010, 03:15 PM
What do you guys think about if we stay at 12 drafting a guy like Earl Thomas to help fill our FS void right now to help out our secondary?

Quagmire
04-14-2010, 03:19 PM
Catch,

I think they need to find a way to move down. They need to fill numerous holes and having those picks in rds 2 to 4 is the way to do it..

4U2NV
04-20-2010, 03:15 PM
Hey guys, how's it going? Long time no see.

With the addition of Marshall, my desire to take Bryant is non-existent which is good because I was really wanting to see us go after the defense and get that taken care of. I love our depth at Corner right now, but Safety, Linebacker and D-Line are all question marks. My ideal scenario sees us trading back to recoup a pick and take Earl Thomas late Round 1. I'm never one to bank on a trade happening though so I wouldn't be thrilled to see us take him at 12 and while he'd be somewhat of a reach himself, if we stay at 12 I would be very happy with Dan Williams. I'd rather reach for a Nose Tackle than a safety and getting Williams means we wouldn't have to duct tape a guy in there. Kindle is probably 2nd on my list right now but I think NT is a bigger need.

Quagmire
04-21-2010, 01:51 PM
Wow, this board is crazy dead for the day before the draft..

My final thoughts...

I really hope they can trade out of 12 and get back a #2. The quality of players in the 2nd rd is amazing...

If they don't deal, my ideal pick would be Jason Pierre-Paul. I don't think he makes it there though... Maybe a Kindle or Hughes otherwise. Need the pass rusher.

I have been reading the Ryan Mathews name associated with Miami. Not sure how true it is, but that would definitely mean Brown is a goner..

Need a gamebreaking returner in this draft. Preferably a DB who can be a Nate Jones type player while returning kicks.

The greedy part of me wants to keep drafting offense, but the smart part of me says that they really need front 7 help on D..

Thoughts?

4U2NV
04-21-2010, 08:30 PM
I wouldn't want to see us get Matthews at all. RB is the last of our concerns. We need to re-tool on D, our offence is coming along fine, Henne is a very good prospect, our O-Line played very well last season, we've got a stud WR with a fairly steady supporting cast and our running game is one of the league's best. Right now I think our three biggest needs are at Linebacker, Nose Tackle and Safety. If we address any of those with our first pick I'll be happy.

draftguru151
04-21-2010, 08:48 PM
Kindle->Morgan->JPP at 12. I'd be really disappointed with Spiller or Williams. I think we get a pass rusher and a NT within the first 3 rounds, a FS too if we manage to trade down. Kindle/Cam Thomas, maybe Hughes/Burnett/Thomas if we get lucky. Definitely want to see a lot of defense. Wouldn't be shocked to see Ronnie be moved, don't want to go RB that early though, I'd be down for Gerhart though, if not just go with Ricky/Hilliard next year. Lot of different scenarios could play out the next few days, can't wait to see what happens.

And hi btw 4U2NV!

4U2NV
04-22-2010, 12:01 AM
Kindle->Morgan->JPP at 12. I'd be really disappointed with Spiller or Williams. I think we get a pass rusher and a NT within the first 3 rounds, a FS too if we manage to trade down. Kindle/Cam Thomas, maybe Hughes/Burnett/Thomas if we get lucky. Definitely want to see a lot of defense. Wouldn't be shocked to see Ronnie be moved, don't want to go RB that early though, I'd be down for Gerhart though, if not just go with Ricky/Hilliard next year. Lot of different scenarios could play out the next few days, can't wait to see what happens.

And hi btw 4U2NV!

Hey guru, nice to see ya man!

I would be very disappointed with Spiller as well and for some reason I'm just not getting a good vibe on Morgan. Gut feeling maybe? So, I wouldn't be really happy with either pick but would be furious with Spiller.

I'm curious as to why you would be disappointed with Williams though. For me, a team is built in the trenches (after QB of course) and when you run a 3-4 the most important piece is who your NT is and I'm not sold on any of the guys we have currently. If we still had our 2nds then I might be more willing to hold off and hope that Cody falls, but I think if Williams is there, we have to take him and built from there out.

That said, I wouldn't be upset with Kindle either as we do need to establish our pass rush. (I think Cam Wake will be a beast btw...saw him play a bunch as a BC Lion and even met him a few times, dude's a sick athlete, an absolute freak)

draftguru151
04-22-2010, 05:51 AM
Has nothing to do with NT, just Williams. I agree NT is a huge need, which is why I don't want Williams. He's a big body but not nearly strong enough to be a dominant run stuffer. He consistently gets blown up by double teams in college. I don't like taking one of these guys in the first 3 rounds that you're not 100% sure is going to be a great fit. I think Cam Thomas has the ability to be a good starting NT in our defense, but other than him and Cody (who I don't see us being in the range to pick) I don't particularly like anyone for NT early. I wouldn't hate not adding a NT because I think you don't want to reach on someone there because there isn't much you can do with a NT that doesn't work out.

I think Wake at wlb and Kindle/Morgan at slb is a really nice combo.

GhostDeini
04-22-2010, 08:41 AM
Kindle is more explosive and I can see him getting better over the years. He's 250 now and can move around well, if we can get him up to 265 or so he'd be a monster pass rusher.

Morgan isn't as explosive and looks slower than Kindle on tape. Looks like an average 4-3 DE to me. There is no chance Morgan can play upright in the league.

Grizzlegom
04-22-2010, 09:43 AM
Just like everyone else, my final hope if to trade down and recoup a 2nd rounder but if it stays as is, I'd hope we'd take Morgan or Kindle there. I am also not really a big fan of Williams in our system. The only early-to-mid round guys that I like for our scheme are Cody (who I think we are out of range for although if the Eagles gave us 24 and 37 we would be) and Troup who isn't as big as we like em but he's very stout and has commanded double teams throughout college. After those two (I'm personally not really a fan of Thomas), I wouldn't touch anyone until guys like Granger, Mullins, and Ivey late.

Personally, I'd be extremely disappointed with JPP and disappointed with Dan Williams or Earl Thomas at 12.

4U2NV
04-22-2010, 02:14 PM
I wouldn't be that upset with JPP. I think this coaching staff would be able to help him realize his potential. I think if he goes to a place like Oakland for example, he'll be a bust but teams like us, Tennessee or Atlanta could get the most out of him.

I am warming up to the idea of getting Sergio Kindle now. I have a gut feeling about Morgan not panning out as we want even if he ends up being a decent player it won't be worth the 12th overall pick.

4U2NV
04-22-2010, 05:19 PM
Geez, it's even dead on here on Draft Day! What do you guys think of the rumors about the Eagles moving up to 12?

4U2NV
04-22-2010, 06:14 PM
Wow...just reading Rick Gosselin's mock draft and he's got us taking Demaryius Thomas at 12. I would be livid if that happened! Given the depth at the WR position and all of our needs on D, that would be as wasteful a pick as I've seen in a long time.

Marino13
04-22-2010, 11:18 PM
So Jared Odrick. I personally like the pick. Not really a need or a sexy pick, but he does add talent and can play a bunch of positions in different fronts. Plus we get a 2nd back.

4U2NV
04-23-2010, 12:55 AM
I'm quite happy with the pick. I think the trade down was a brilliant move to get us more picks (especially a 2nd) and I trust our coaching staff to get the most out of Odrick's ability. I was hoping for Kindle, but with him falling out of the 1st round a lot of other teams saw something they didn't like obviously and I trust this regime when it comes to drafting players. If this was the Cam Cameron - Randy Mueller regime I would be skeptical but I trust what Parcells is doing.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 01:06 AM
Aren't Randy Starks and Kendall Langford legit starters with Merling behind them? I just don't know why you guys took Odrick in the first and I was seeing if I could get any insight, I'm not hating I just would've liked him to be there at the top of round 2 if the Pats tried to move up

thebow305
04-23-2010, 01:26 AM
Odrick is a very good player and is the prototype 3-4 Five Technique. It just happens that position is arguably the most solid and deepest on our team. So the only disappointment here is that he doesn't fill a need and won't be an immediate starter, which is what I was hoping to get out of our first round pick. He was probably one the only guys we could have taken at 28 that would have made me upset.

That being said, I could definitely see Merling being dealt at some point, which has been mentioned a time or two. If we do, and if that was the intention all along, then this pick makes a LITTLE more sense for me. I just don't understand this really at all to be completely honest. But it does help that we got the 40th pick and 4th rounder in that trade down, because believe me, if we took Odrick at 12, I would have been much more upset than I am right now.

Here's to hoping we land one of the first round talents (Kindle, Griffen, Tate, Benn, Cody or even Burnett) at #40.

Grizzlegom
04-23-2010, 08:14 AM
Idk how to feel about this pick. I didn't consider DE to be a major need but at the same time I'm happy we got a guy I really like and I love that we now have 2 Penn Staters but with Kindle still there...what we do at 40 will play a major factor in how I feel about it.

M.O.T.H.
04-23-2010, 01:11 PM
The Dolphins are actively taking about trades, and many of them.

One player that's been discussed with Miami is Dallas receiver Sam Hurd, whom the Cowboys are actively looking to move after selecting Oklahoma State receiver Dez Bryant with the draft's 24th pick.

Hurd, whom this regime signed as an undrafted free agent in 2006 during their tenure with the Cowboys, caught just seven passes for 121 yards and one touchdown last season. He's produced 31 receptions for 510 yards and two touchdowns in his four season with the Cowboys. But more importantly he's a core special teams contributor.


You dont really need him but, he'd make a good 2 or 3 for you guys, if allowed the opportunity. He was one of BP's favorites in Dallas and looking for a real chance somewhere. You guys are pretty crowded there, though so it probably wont happen. But BP is at least looking into it.

Don Vito
04-23-2010, 08:08 PM
John Jerry is a perfect fit for you nice pick

draftguru151
04-23-2010, 11:52 PM
Randy Starks is being moved to NT, which is a move I like, makes the Odrick pick a very good one. I really liked the fit, just wasn't sure about the need, which is now somewhat there.

I really like Misi, would have preferred Kindle there but I guess the knee issues are pretty serious. Misi is a good fit opposite Wake. If Wake develops into a big time pass rusher, makes Misi's ability in space and such that more valuable.

Like the Jerry pick as well, Smiley is definitely gone and Jerry is a great run blocker. Really like the first 3 picks. FS wasn't addressed but with Allen and Burnett going before our picks I don't mind not getting a guy. Hopefully we can bring in someone to compete with Clemons tomorrow. Maybe a CB who can also return kicks as well, a Cox or Franks type. TE, maybe RB, another pass rusher. A lot of picks late, hopefully we can pick up some more talent.

thebow305
04-25-2010, 11:41 AM
I agree about Odrick and Misi, very good fits. Not an exciting draft at all, but filled some needs and added some solid depth. VERY excited for Reshad Jones though. Could be our long term answer at FS.

Also, I think this draft shows that Crowder's time in Miami may be coming to an end. Maybe not this year, but I don't see him on the team past this season.

draftguru151
04-25-2010, 12:09 PM
They signed Crowder to a 3 year extension last year, I doubt taking a "nickel linebacker" in the 4th round is going to make them cut him with a year left on his deal. Edds gives them depth inside and lets then move Dansby around depending on the situation.

Loves the Jones pick as well, hopefully he can give Clemons some competition. Got some LB depth as well, Carroll has some nice tools, hopefully he can stay healthy and compete. Solid draft overall, a lot of depth on defense.

4U2NV
04-25-2010, 06:12 PM
I'm really not that familiar with any of the guys we got aside from Odrick but I like what I hear about guys like Misi especially. I do like the positions drafted too, we were in bad need of some re-tooling on Defence and Parcells and Ireland made sure it happened. Next year we can focus on adding some more weapons for Henne.

TACKLE
01-06-2011, 12:48 AM
The Dolphins are a hard team to project in the draft this year. If they stay put a #15, what players/positions should they target?

Catch_23
01-11-2011, 05:04 PM
Well the obvious ones would be Quarterback if one of the big ones fall to us, then the other would be running back if Ingram is there.

thebow305
01-11-2011, 07:32 PM
Well the obvious ones would be Quarterback if one of the big ones fall to us, then the other would be running back if Ingram is there.

Yup. Basically the offense needs a complete revamping. We need a new QB, RB, a playmaking TE and a better #2 to take some pressure off Marshall. Not to mention some more OL depth and maybe a starting OG if Incognito sticks at Center.

Ugh.

Catch_23
01-11-2011, 09:23 PM
Yea complete revamping is almost an understatement at this point our offense was awful this year we basically need help everywhere and that could be a little tough this year without a 2nd rounder so hopefully we can find a little help via fre agency.

thebow305
01-14-2011, 11:57 PM
Signing Vince Young, Zach Miller, Carl Nicks, Ryan Kalil and Mike Sims-Walker would be a nice start. :)

Da-Phins
01-15-2011, 10:52 AM
Signing Vince Young, Zach Miller, Carl Nicks, Ryan Kalil and Mike Sims-Walker would be a nice start. :)

Why would you want a mentally weak QB who is trash?

thebow305
01-15-2011, 11:08 AM
Why would you want a mentally weak QB who is trash?

I couldn't agree with you more, but he is definitely an upgrade over Henne. He's a winner and there's no guarantee that any of the top QB's will be available when we pick in the first.