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ChefMike
01-29-2010, 11:52 AM
Anyone ever heard of any comments that John Harbaugh said about TO's time in Philly? Was he positive or negative about him? I know Harbaugh doesn't like issues ie C-Mac and TO is bigger of a headache then him, but he is also still a good QB in the mold of WR that Cam Cameron likes and he didn't make much noise this year in Buffalo. We could probably get him with a cheap deal and laden with incentives.

Anyones thoughts??

GoRavens
01-29-2010, 03:18 PM
Signing TO would be a horrible move.
He's old
Expensive
and drops passes
... No thanks.. If Baltimore acquired Antonio Bryant and drafted Golden Tate, Flacco would get a stiffy

BmoreBlackByrdz
01-29-2010, 07:20 PM
Signing TO would be a horrible move.
He's old
Expensive
and drops passes
... No thanks.. If Baltimore acquired Antonio Bryant and drafted Golden Tate, Flacco would get a stiffy

this. no TO please. Harbaugh surely wants nothing of him.

ChefMike
01-29-2010, 11:57 PM
Not sure why everyone is hot to trot on Antonio Bryant, like he is the 2nd coming or something? He has never had a year that he was completely dominating in, his one and only good year since coming to the league he didn't even start all the games he played and didn't have anymore TD's then Mason did this year? So why is bringing in a guy that is 7 years younger then Mason going to be such a huge upgrade? As for Golden Tate... he looks like another Mark Clayton to me. I think we need to try and move up to get Dez Bryant.

BmoreBlackByrdz
01-30-2010, 12:14 AM
Not sure why everyone is hot to trot on Antonio Bryant, like he is the 2nd coming or something? He has never had a year that he was completely dominating in, his one and only good year since coming to the league he didn't even start all the games he played and didn't have anymore TD's then Mason did this year? So why is bringing in a guy that is 7 years younger then Mason going to be such a huge upgrade? As for Golden Tate... he looks like another Mark Clayton to me. I think we need to try and move up to get Dez Bryant.

I'm not that high on Antonio Bryant either, but I'd much rather have him, than T.O.

And he's an upgrade from Mason cause he's stronger, faster, and more explosive. He's not just a possession WR, he can make plays from a small 3 yard slant or a 5 yard hitch, oh and I'd feel much more comfortable throwing end zone fades to him, rather than Mason. Downside is that he's got injury problems as well as character concerns.

As for Golden, how does he remind you of Clayton? His style of play resembles more of an Anquan Boldin or Hines Ward type player. Clayton is more of a speedy, possession WR.

SeanTaylorRIP
01-30-2010, 09:29 AM
Just to get my 2 cents in, TO isn't that expensive. Also you will only sign him for a 1-2 year max contract so if you get a 1 year deal in an uncapped year hell giving him 10 mil won't really hurt the future. I agree TO is so risky because of his relationship with QB's but he seemed to be fine this year even though Trent Edwards is horrendous. It's a very risky move but you can't deny the threat of TO on the outside opens it up for everyone else.

ChefMike
01-30-2010, 04:19 PM
Bmore Blackbyrdz check out this video of Mark Clayton in College.. and then check out the 2nd link to Golden Tate in College. I think you will see why I compare those two. Not only are they practically the same physically but I think they play a similar game.

Clayton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcIbmfagFAE

Tate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikQaUdZrET8

I don't see Anquan Boldin or Hines Ward in Golden Tate, not to say he won't be a good WR.

BmoreBlackByrdz
01-30-2010, 05:48 PM
Just to get my 2 cents in, TO isn't that expensive. Also you will only sign him for a 1-2 year max contract so if you get a 1 year deal in an uncapped year hell giving him 10 mil won't really hurt the future. I agree TO is so risky because of his relationship with QB's but he seemed to be fine this year even though Trent Edwards is horrendous. It's a very risky move but you can't deny the threat of TO on the outside opens it up for everyone else.

see that's the thing, I don't think defense's consider him that much of a threat anymore to the point that they have to double him. He's slow and has a weak break off the ball and also has poor hands. I'm sure many teams would are done double covering him anymore and feel fine about single covering him w/ 1 DB.

BmoreBlackByrdz
01-30-2010, 05:52 PM
Bmore Blackbyrdz check out this video of Mark Clayton in College.. and then check out the 2nd link to Golden Tate in College. I think you will see why I compare those two. Not only are they practically the same physically but I think they play a similar game.

Clayton: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcIbmfagFAE

Tate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikQaUdZrET8

I don't see Anquan Boldin or Hines Ward in Golden Tate, not to say he won't be a good WR.

I see what you are saying, but I still feel like Tate is more physical after the catch, stronger to the ball, and a lot tougher to bring down.

dan77733
01-30-2010, 06:05 PM
As a 49ers fan and T.O. being my favorite player, let me say that I do hope the Ravens stay away from him because I want him to return to SF where he started his career.

As for him being "done", this past season with him being in BUF is the same as when Moss was in OAK. Average at best QB, bad coaching and a horrible OL. Evans didnt do anything either nor did anyone else for that matter.

If T.O. goes to a team that has offensive weapons, he'll bounce back like Moss did two years ago in NE.

And for those talking about Bryant, he was on my team in 2006 and had a breakout year but for anyone who thinks that T.O. is a pain in the ass, you can put Bryant right below him because he's not all there either. The only difference between the two is that T.O. is a future HOFer while Bryant has only had two good seasons in his entire eight year career. I would rather have T.O. over Bryant anyday.

Hopefully, it will work out for both of our teams. I for one will definitely be happy.

ChefMike
01-30-2010, 07:50 PM
I don't know that TO would break any records here in Baltimore like Moss did in NE as he is a bit older, but TO still would be a 90-100 rec 1200-1400yd 10-12 TD's Cam Cameron loves BIG WR's like TO.

TO didn't cause any issues up in Buffalo this past year and would be a good addition here with the Ravens!

BuffaloBillsFan
02-01-2010, 12:38 AM
He is a team killer, drafting Tate is great advice, he was awesome at ND.

ChefMike
02-02-2010, 05:48 AM
I would still take TO at this stage, he didn't cause the headaches he used to in Buffalo last season and drafting Tate is just putting another Mark Clayton type in our stable of WR's

GoRavens
02-02-2010, 08:44 AM
Let's face it, if Baltimore's going after a free agent receiver, it will definitely not be TO. He's getting really old so the potential is non existent.. He drops half the passes that get thrown his way.. And most of all, he's a chemistry destroyer. No thanks, he's a diva.. Antonio Bryant is the best bet, but drafting 2 new receivers seems most likely to happen. Look for Baltimore to bring in a ton of unsigned free agent receivers and let them all battle for spots on the roster. The Ravens could use a whole new receiving core, so look for them to bring in 4-5 new faces after the draft.

EdReedUnstoppable
02-02-2010, 11:56 AM
I love to watch people talk about TO as a cancer and then advocate getting a cancer in Bryant. Bryant ran himself out of Cleveland, Dallas, and now Tampa......And unlike TO Bryant has never been consistently productive. Give me TO 1,000 times out of 1,000 over Bryant!

GoRavens
02-02-2010, 12:41 PM
Terrell Owens is 36 years old, do you realize that?
Baltimore definitely isn't desperate enough to get an expensive, old, and overrated receiver like Owens. 36!!!! Thats the same age as Derrick Mason son.. Bryant ran himself out of Cleveland because, let's face it, the browns are the worst franchise of all time... He's still only 28, 8 years younger than your beloved TO.. TO to baltimore is just never going to happen, and it would be the most horrible decision they've ever made...

EdReedUnstoppable
02-02-2010, 12:56 PM
Terrell Owens is 36 years old, do you realize that?
Baltimore definitely isn't desperate enough to get an expensive, old, and overrated receiver like Owens. 36!!!! Thats the same age as Derrick Mason son.. Bryant ran himself out of Cleveland because, let's face it, the browns are the worst franchise of all time... He's still only 28, 8 years younger than your beloved TO.. TO to baltimore is just never going to happen, and it would be the most horrible decision they've ever made...

Im not sayin it is gonna happen Im just sayin to say you dont want TO because he is such a disruption, and then turn around and say we should get Antonio Bryant is ridiculous. We're not gonna make any changes to the receiving team, because the genious and harbaugh think our WRs are fine. And btw Dont metion TO and Mason in the same sentence Mason is an average WR, TO is a dominant force on the field and if he came to Baltimore it would be amazing. As for Bryant he has some talent but he is not elite, he has the ability but he, unlike TO, allows his head to get in the way of his on field production.

Hines
02-02-2010, 01:01 PM
As a Steeler fan, I'd get more scared seeing TO twice a year than AB. TO can still perform at a high level. Yeah he drops balls, but he is one of the best recievers after the catch and can still put up big numbers. He doesn't have signs of slowing down because of how good of shape he is in. Yeah he runs his mouth, but it's not like he's going to clubs and shooting himself or getting arrested.

RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES
02-02-2010, 01:13 PM
Im not sayin it is gonna happen Im just sayin to say you dont want TO because he is such a disruption, and then turn around and say we should get Antonio Bryant is ridiculous. We're not gonna make any changes to the receiving team, because the genious and harbaugh think our WRs are fine. And btw Dont metion TO and Mason in the same sentence Mason is an average WR, TO is a dominant force on the field and if he came to Baltimore it would be amazing. As for Bryant he has some talent but he is not elite, he has the ability but he, unlike TO, allows his head to get in the way of his on field production.

I agree with this. If you are going to take a chance on Bryant then you should have no problem taking a chance on TO. I mean TO can still play on the same level as Bryant IMO. So I am agreeing with ERU on this. I still want Marshall but TO is still a good receiver and doesn't have any injury problems. I am not 100% on Bryant but I think he has been injured a lot of his career.

GoRavens
02-02-2010, 06:22 PM
And btw Dont metion TO and Mason in the same sentence Mason is an average WR

are you kidding me???????
Masons a hall of famer.. he's always been consistently awesome. don't hate on the guy, just check the stats

Hines
02-02-2010, 06:56 PM
There's more to a player than just stats. Antonio Cromartie had 10 picks a few seasons ago and he sucks. Same thing with Deltha O'Neal his rookie season.


Edit: Also, if Hines Ward isn't a shoe in for the HOF, then Mason isn't either. Hines has more catches, touchdowns, Super Bowl wins, and Super Bowl MVPs than Mason and Hines played one less season. Plus, he got most of his stats on running teams. Yes I do know that Mason played on strong running teams, but that's not the point.

EdReedUnstoppable
02-03-2010, 03:01 PM
Mason is not a HOF, he doesn't get in the endzone enough. And to get into the HOF IMO you have to be a dominant force in your generation of the NFL and Mason is not.

EdReedUnstoppable
02-03-2010, 03:04 PM
I agree with this. If you are going to take a chance on Bryant then you should have no problem taking a chance on TO. I mean TO can still play on the same level as Bryant IMO. So I am agreeing with ERU on this. I still want Marshall but TO is still a good receiver and doesn't have any injury problems. I am not 100% on Bryant but I think he has been injured a lot of his career.

This is like 2 things we agree on inside of a months time.......WTF?

ChefMike
02-04-2010, 09:06 AM
Actually speaking to the HOF credentials for Mason vs Ward... if you take from 2000 to present Mason has more receptions and Yards (thats when both became FT starters)

I think they both are HOF in my opinion. Both offer something different to the team and both are TEAM players not ME ME ME

BmoreBlackByrdz
02-04-2010, 02:01 PM
I don't think either of those guys are HOF worthy. Randy Moss is a WR you think of when you think HOF. Mason and Ward have been very good receivers in this league and throughout there career but I don't think either of those guys are hall of fame material.

Hines
02-04-2010, 04:02 PM
Got this from Rotoworld:


Coach John Harbaugh called out restricted free agent Demetrius Williams at the Ravens' state of the union address Wednesday

"You've got to be able to run the kind of routes, catch the ball in pressure situations, break the thing off at the right depth," said Harbaugh. "We tried to put Demetrius in situations to be successful as much as we could, and we need more." Williams is hardly a lock to return to Baltimore in 2010.

BmoreBlackByrdz
02-04-2010, 07:48 PM
yeah, I watched that press conference today at School, and I totally disagree with that. This statement is absolute BS IMO -
"We tried to put Demetrius in situations to be successful as much as we could, and we need more."

We barely saw Demetrius until very late in the season, around when we played Green Bay, Detroit and Chicago. He was never in any pressure situations either. only one I remeber was in the endzone vs. the Packers and Flacco threw a bad ball.

I for one, believe that Demetrius Williams did not get a fair chance this year.

ChefMike
02-06-2010, 12:01 PM
Wait a sec... he didn't get on the field because he was not good in preseason or in practice.. why would he get a chance on the field? D-Wil has bee overrated since his rookie year. Let him go and lets get another WR in here that is going to push himself to improve on a weekly basis, we need to take a look at Hostler our WR coach and see if we can bring in someone that can develop a WR and try and bring in some fresh blood to coach at the WR as well...

ChefMike
02-28-2010, 11:05 AM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/02/27/would-ravens-take-second-crack-at-t-o/

TACKLE
03-05-2010, 12:41 PM
I got this feeling like Marshall and Boldin aren't going to be Ravens and TO is.

ChefMike
03-05-2010, 01:09 PM
I got this feeling like Marshall and Boldin aren't going to be Ravens and TO is.

Please don't let that happen...

Hines
03-05-2010, 01:17 PM
I have a feeling that Marshall or Boldin won't be, but Kevin Walter will.

EdReedUnstoppable
03-05-2010, 01:22 PM
Bring on TO, but I got this feeling he wont be here and he'll be in Cincy. Twice next year we'll get to watch him and Ocho go nuts on us, while I laugh at all the Ravens fans that didn't want TO.

ChefMike
03-05-2010, 02:28 PM
I don't have a problem with TO I just don't want us to pass up Marshall or Boldin in favor of TO..

EdReedUnstoppable
03-05-2010, 04:37 PM
I don't have a problem with TO I just don't want us to pass up Marshall or Boldin in favor of TO..

I would pass up Boldin for TO, because if we trade for Boldin we're gonna make a huge mistake and give him a 6 or 7 year deal for upwards of 40 mil. That is absurd money for a guy who gets injured alot and has a lot of mileage on his tires. TO comes for a 2-3 year deal for nowhere near that kinda money.

ChefMike
03-05-2010, 05:46 PM
I would pass up Boldin for TO, because if we trade for Boldin we're gonna make a huge mistake and give him a 6 or 7 year deal for upwards of 40 mil. That is absurd money for a guy who gets injured alot and has a lot of mileage on his tires. TO comes for a 2-3 year deal for nowhere near that kinda money.

looks like that 6-7 year deal is only 4 years and 28mil not sure the guarantees...

BmoreBlackByrdz
03-05-2010, 06:19 PM
looks like that 6-7 year deal is only 4 years and 28mil not sure the guarantees...

nah its a 3 year 25 year deal, that 1 year 3 mil is from his remaining contract from Arizona, we just extended it.

BmoreBlackByrdz
03-05-2010, 06:21 PM
I would pass up Boldin for TO, because if we trade for Boldin we're gonna make a huge mistake and give him a 6 or 7 year deal for upwards of 40 mil. That is absurd money for a guy who gets injured alot and has a lot of mileage on his tires. TO comes for a 2-3 year deal for nowhere near that kinda money.

TO is garbage dude. I know he has had solid production with terrible QB's, but he's OLD, has bad hands, and on top of all that, there is now way he could share the catches with Heap, Boldin and maybe Mason. he wouldn't fit into Harbaugh's team first philosophy.

We did get somewhat of a good deal for Boldin, given that he maintains good health.

EdReedUnstoppable
03-05-2010, 11:38 PM
TO is not garbage.

Glad we didnt bend over for Quan on the contract stuff. I always loved Quan he is tough as nails, lets just hope his body holds up for a couple more years.

SeanTaylorRIP
03-06-2010, 09:31 AM
That could potentially be a problem, can Q stay healthy the whole season. Flacco does tend to lead his guys high down the middle which is a great cause of concern for Q. In the past it hasn't been much of an issue as Clayton and Williams were too much of pssies to try to catch those balls. I'd still be in favor of bringing back Washington or someone with that kind of size.

coordinator0
03-06-2010, 09:41 AM
Our receiver situation as it stands right now looks like this:

Under contract/hold rights to - Boldin, Stallworth, Harper, Smith, Riley, and Price.

RFA/Tendered - Clayton and Williams.

UFA - Mason, Washington, and Tyree.

Lets say we bring back Mason and Clayton, while drafting a receiver somewhere in the draft (don't think we keep more than 5 receivers on the roster) so that leaves us with Boldin/Mason/Clayton/Stallworth/Rookie. Would anybody be comfortable with that? I'm not sure myself, but it looks a hell of a lot better than last season.

Hines
03-06-2010, 11:00 AM
I still think with the Ravnes getting Q, Mason will be bye bye. I could see a WR taken in the first or second round now.

EdReedUnstoppable
03-06-2010, 12:50 PM
I pray now that we have Anquan we tell Mason to **** off!

BigDawg819
03-06-2010, 08:22 PM
I pray now that we have Anquan we tell Mason to **** off!

Thats the only way Mark Clayton will ever have a true chance to fulfill his potential.

coordinator0
03-06-2010, 08:33 PM
Thats the only way Mark Clayton will ever have a true chance to fulfill his potential.

I can't tell if you're being real or sarcastic... I hope it's the latter. Clayton can't get separation to save his life, he doesn't have potential anymore.

EdReedUnstoppable
03-07-2010, 05:18 PM
I wish we would have let Clayton walk with Mason, thats the only true way we will improve our WRs!

GoRavens
03-07-2010, 06:15 PM
You'd be ignorant to want Mason off the team.
When no other receiver could get open or make catches, Mason was that guy.
He'd be a great compliment to Boldin and Stallworth.
Slap him with a fat two year deal and that's that.
He's old, but he's still a baller.
Get rid of butter fingers aka Clayton

ChefMike
03-07-2010, 06:25 PM
Thats the only way Mark Clayton will ever have a true chance to fulfill his potential.

You always want to hold on to the guys that have never lived up potential for sake of holding on to them... Boller, Troy Smith, Clearance Moore and never want to support players that are making things happen here? Strange...

EdReedUnstoppable
03-07-2010, 06:44 PM
You'd be ignorant to want Mason off the team.
When no other receiver could get open or make catches, Mason was that guy.
He'd be a great compliment to Boldin and Stallworth.
Slap him with a fat two year deal and that's that.
He's old, but he's still a baller.
Get rid of butter fingers aka Clayton

First off Im not ignorant. The fact is Derrick Mason will not accept a #2 role, he proved that when Clayton was overtaking him in McNair's first year here. The guy is a selfish player and we dont need him here to win.

Bengalsrocket
03-07-2010, 07:01 PM
As an outsider looking in, I fear Mason more than any WR on your team, including Boldin. And I'm saying this coming off a year where we held him to 3 receptions for 31 yards including a game where he didn't catch a single ball.

I don't think the Ravens should bend over backwards for him though. If he truly isn't willing to accept being the #2 then that doesn't bode well for the franchise and it's possible the best decision would be releasing him.

niel89
03-09-2010, 12:24 AM
You always want to hold on to the guys that have never lived up potential for sake of holding on to them... Boller, Troy Smith, Clearance Moore and never want to support players that are making things happen here? Strange...

Right now is the best time to resign Clarence Moore. He is the one player that could really push us into the Superbowl. He should still be available as a free agent!

CLARENCE MOORE 2010!!!!!!!!!

The Saints won the Superbowl last season right? Well this picture is photographic proof that Clarence Moore> the Saints. That means the Ravens with Clarence Moore > the Saints which would make the Ravens the Superbowl champions. Flawless logic!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/neXus2/NFL/ab4f6d64.jpg

BigDawg819
03-09-2010, 01:40 AM
You always want to hold on to the guys that have never lived up potential for sake of holding on to them... Boller, Troy Smith, Clearance Moore and never want to support players that are making things happen here? Strange...

Troy Smith had a chance when exactly?????? Never cared for Clarence besides the fact that we're both the same height but never really minded when he left.

But you're right, I'm not a Ravens fan at all. I never want them to win, or root for them or any of the like..... :rolleyes:

coordinator0
03-09-2010, 09:16 AM
Right now is the best time to resign Clarence Moore. He is the one player that could really push us into the Superbowl. He should still be available as a free agent!

CLARENCE MOORE 2010!!!!!!!!!

The Saints won the Superbowl last season right? Well this picture is photographic proof that Clarence Moore> the Saints. That means the Ravens with Clarence Moore > the Saints which would make the Ravens the Superbowl champions. Flawless logic!
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y56/neXus2/NFL/ab4f6d64.jpg

That ball isn't quite in his hands yet. I bet he dropped it ;).

niel89
03-10-2010, 02:07 AM
That ball isn't quite in his hands yet. I bet he dropped it ;).

OH YEAH 4 YARD TOUCHDOWN!!!!!
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2006102904/2006/REG8/ravens@saints#recap-channels:cat-post-recap-full-story/tab:analyze