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HawkeyeFan
02-02-2010, 08:14 PM
Hey friends and foes! I just have a few questions on Cal RB Jahvid Best.

a) What are his strengths/weaknesses?
b) Is he more of a 1-2 punch player?
c) Is he doing alright after his scare?
d) Is #33 ( Rams ) good value for him? Or will be be taken higher?
e) Would he be idle for a team like St. Louis with a power RB?


Thanks!

prock
02-02-2010, 08:27 PM
Hey friends and foes! I just have a few questions on Cal RB Jahvid Best.

a) What are his strengths/weaknesses?
b) Is he more of a 1-2 punch player?
c) Is he doing alright after his scare?
d) Is #33 ( Rams ) good value for him? Or will be be taken higher?
e) Would he be idle for a team like St. Louis with a power RB?


Thanks!

to answer letter e: the rams should trade stephen jackson, so they could definitely use a running back.

RGVBadBoy
02-02-2010, 08:47 PM
Jahvid Best= Reggie Bush, but smaller.... 3rd down RB.... LOTS of speed

Ozzy
02-02-2010, 08:59 PM
Clearly has big time speed but kind of disappointed at times this season, and the injury is an issue. But cannot doubt the speed he brings to the table and the big play potential.

I would say he is not a Reggie Bush type player because Best cannot make people miss like that. Best is a speed guy, will run in the middle and will break it when the hole is there. Could develop into a great player if he gets stronger.

YotoJets007
02-02-2010, 09:05 PM
concussion is never funny. I think he will be always a COP runner in NFL but you never know.

Saints-Tigers
02-02-2010, 11:30 PM
So hard to predict runningback health, I mean, if he can stand up to the abuse, then he can be a heck of a back, but worst case, you put him in a committee and he's a dynamic guy still.

FUNBUNCHER
02-03-2010, 02:01 AM
Best suffered one of the most devastating concussive injuries I've ever seen on a football field; take a look at the youtube vid where his body goes rigid; that's caused by pressure on the spinal cord. His helmet dislodges from the impact and his body goes into some kind of neuroleptic shock.
When I first saw it, for a split second I thought Best was done.

Now, he's since recovered, apparently, from that injury, however I think it was MUCH more severe than originally reported.

I think in the right system he's a faster Brian Westbrook, but that injury against the Beavers worries me.
How prone in the future is Best to suffering another head injury?

TitansCJftw
02-03-2010, 02:10 AM
chris johnson suffered neck injuries deemed close to career ending and many teams frowned upon him because of his lack of production before he was given a legitimate o-line in his senior year at ecu, for the record neck injuries are much more serious than a concussion, if best can burn the combine like cj did i can easily see him going in the first round; however no one has ever burnt the combine like cj did but i do favor best as a some what similar player to cj and i believe with 4.3's speed he will be a 1st rounder

CC.SD
02-03-2010, 02:15 AM
Hey friends and foes! I just have a few questions on Cal RB Jahvid Best.

a) What are his strengths/weaknesses?
b) Is he more of a 1-2 punch player?
c) Is he doing alright after his scare?
d) Is #33 ( Rams ) good value for him? Or will be be taken higher?
e) Would he be idle for a team like St. Louis with a power RB?


Thanks!

I like those last two questions a lot. If the Rams snagged Best, very feasible, would be a good pick in correlation with Jason Smith last year and Jackson/Best gives them a good shot at a menacing identity in the run game.

However as needs go, you couldn't be more off the mark. RB is just about the only position where St. Louis is actually ahead of the curve. 33 is a valuable pick, they need more building blocks and Best would be too much of a luxury.

mellojello
02-27-2010, 10:52 PM
Hey friends and foes! I just have a few questions on Cal RB Jahvid Best.

a) What are his strengths/weaknesses?

Strengths - Speed/Vision/Footwork/Versatility/Receiving/High character guy/threat to score anytime he touches the ball;

Weaknesses - Lacks power/Injury prone/Blocking needs improvement/Relatively small

b) Is he more of a 1-2 punch player?
Yes

c) Is he doing alright after his scare?
Supposedly

d) Is #33 ( Rams ) good value for him? Or will be be taken higher?
Depends on needs. Who knows.

e) Would he be idle for a team like St. Louis with a power RB?
Yes. Also, his speed and cutback skills will be amplified on turf.

Thanks!

See responses above

WCH
02-27-2010, 11:16 PM
When I saw him as a sophomore, I thought that he was a truly special, once a decade type of prospect (even if he's a change-of-pace guy) but that injury was pretty scary. I agree with FUNBUNCHER:

Best suffered one of the most devastating concussive injuries I've ever seen on a football field; take a look at the youtube vid where his body goes rigid; that's caused by pressure on the spinal cord. His helmet dislodges from the impact and his body goes into some kind of neuroleptic shock.
When I first saw it, for a split second I thought Best was done.


His medical tests will determine how high he goes.

After his initial neck injury, Sterling Sharpe was supposedly good-to-go. The next week he re-injured his neck, and his career was over. Fortunately, teams have gotten better at analyzing injuries over the past 15 years.

brat316
02-27-2010, 11:24 PM
maybe he'll bulk up like Portis did when he came out of college.

SenorGato
02-28-2010, 12:04 AM
Teams are too concussion weary for him to go in the first 2 rounds like he probably should.

Unless of course...he checks out OK medically. Or some team reaches.

JoeJoeBrown
02-28-2010, 01:16 AM
I heard he's been putting up some stiff competition.

mellojello
02-28-2010, 05:31 PM
I heard he's been putting up some stiff competition.That's just measurables...Ultimately, he really excels at the RB position. Anyone who doesn't think his skills aren't going to translate on Sundays is smoking crack.

thule
02-28-2010, 05:40 PM
I still don't get all the Best love. This coming from a guy who was at the Minnesota game this year when he had 5 TDs in that game.

He doesn't break tackles...he goes down on first contact. He wasn't even the featured player on CAL...he was actually on the field less than 50% of the snaps in that game...he's a homerun threat as far as if you let him see the goaline he is going to beat you there...but he isn't going to be a 10 carry back in the NFL. Gimmick player and special teamer is the best bet. Don't think he can play 3rd downs because he isn't strong like a Sproles or CJ..he's soft and that will show in blitz pickup.

Sure he'll be drafted high because he's fast...but he'll never live up to the expectations of people on here thinking he's the next lightning in the NFL...look at all the speed backs in the league that are successful...they are all extremely strong despite there size. Players like Warrick Dunn made it in the NFL because of smarts and work ethic. I can't speak for his work ethic...but have you heard him talk...he sounds about as smart as the last good cal RB.

Babylon
02-28-2010, 05:46 PM
I still don't get all the Best love. This coming from a guy who was at the Minnesota game this year when he had 5 TDs in that game.

He doesn't break tackles...he goes down on first contact. He wasn't even the featured player on CAL...he was actually on the field less than 50% of the snaps in that game...he's a homerun threat as far as if you let him see the goaline he is going to beat you there...but he isn't going to be a 10 carry back in the NFL. Gimmick player and special teamer is the best bet. Don't think he can play 3rd downs because he isn't strong like a Sproles or CJ..he's soft and that will show in blitz pickup.

Sure he'll be drafted high because he's fast...but he'll never live up to the expectations of people on here thinking he's the next lightning in the NFL...look at all the speed backs in the league that are successful...they are all extremely strong despite there size. Players like Warrick Dunn made it in the NFL because of smarts and work ethic. I can't speak for his work ethic...but have you heard him talk...he sounds about as smart as the last good cal RB.

Everyone seems to want to find the next Chris Johnson. In other times he's probably more of a specialist. The question is after a serious concussion like he had would be how many more you could withstand.

FrankGore
02-28-2010, 05:58 PM
With the new restrictions on concussions in the NFL, I wouldn't be surprised if teams shy away from him into the middle of the 2nd. I see him as more of a Jerious Norwood/Felix Jones type than the next CJ. Definitely brings an element of speed to your offense, can return kicks and make his presence felt.

In that sense, he can add a lot of value to the team that selects him, as long as they have that role in mind for him. I just wouldn't draft him expecting him to be my next franchise runner because I wouldn't want to wear him down asking him to do all the things that a full-time RB does. I can tell you a lot of Niner fans think he'd be perfect to spell Gore and return kicks.

keylime_5
02-28-2010, 06:15 PM
he's had durability and now concussion issues, and isn't super big. Fantastic runner who started to show a lot more between the tackles late in his sophomore year and early in his junior year before he had that scary head injury. Really fast who is gonna be a 4+ ypc guy in the NFL I think kinda like Jamaal Charles, but not a guy you wanna give 20 carries a game. My 2nd favorite RB in this draft behind Spiller, but I can definitely see why teams won't touch him until the very late first at earliest. I like him a lot more than LeSean McCoy last year.

nikkayeah
02-28-2010, 06:58 PM
I still don't get all the Best love. This coming from a guy who was at the Minnesota game this year when he had 5 TDs in that game.

He doesn't break tackles...he goes down on first contact. He wasn't even the featured player on CAL...he was actually on the field less than 50% of the snaps in that game...he's a homerun threat as far as if you let him see the goaline he is going to beat you there...but he isn't going to be a 10 carry back in the NFL. Gimmick player and special teamer is the best bet. Don't think he can play 3rd downs because he isn't strong like a Sproles or CJ..he's soft and that will show in blitz pickup.

Sure he'll be drafted high because he's fast...but he'll never live up to the expectations of people on here thinking he's the next lightning in the NFL...look at all the speed backs in the league that are successful...they are all extremely strong despite there size. Players like Warrick Dunn made it in the NFL because of smarts and work ethic. I can't speak for his work ethic...but have you heard him talk...he sounds about as smart as the last good cal RB.

can you provide any examples for this? from every interview i have seen, best seems like a very articulate and well mannered kid. maybe you are describing the wrong person. anyways i like best a lot more than spiller because he can actually run between the tackles and doesn't just bounce everything to the outside. he's bigger and faster too

CC.SD
02-28-2010, 07:42 PM
What if the Eagles take him with their 2nd and it's Desean Jackson 2.0? Excellent.

JoeJoeBrown
02-28-2010, 08:30 PM
That's just measurables...Ultimately, he really excels at the RB position. Anyone who doesn't think his skills aren't going to translate on Sundays is smoking crack.

It was a bad joke about his injury... Yes, I'm terrible.

Texas Homer
02-28-2010, 08:52 PM
I like his SPEED.

mellojello
02-28-2010, 11:32 PM
I can tell you a lot of Niner fans think he'd be perfect to spell Gore and return kicks.Of course he would, but F the 49ers, they don't deserve Best. They passed on homegrown products Aaron Rogers and Desean Jackson, both positions of need when they were available. I hope the niners take Tebow in the first round.

mellojello
02-28-2010, 11:42 PM
he's had durability and now concussion issues, and isn't super big. Fantastic runner who started to show a lot more between the tackles late in his sophomore year and early in his junior year before he had that scary head injury. Really fast who is gonna be a 4+ ypc guy in the NFL I think kinda like Jamaal Charles, but not a guy you wanna give 20 carries a game. My 2nd favorite RB in this draft behind Spiller, but I can definitely see why teams won't touch him until the very late first at earliest. I like him a lot more than LeSean McCoy last year.Good call and good call. I didn't watch Charles in college, but Texas fans tell me that Best is better, idk. I do know that Best is very good at securing the ball. I've been saying since McCoy was drafted last year that he has absolutely nothing on Best. As far as Best vs. Spiller, I have nothing against Spiller. He's sick and I'm reasonably certain both are going to be productive Sundays. Spiller is clearly going to get drafted higher, but I just think that means more value for the team that drafts Jahvid. These guys are going to stretch defenses.

WCH
03-01-2010, 12:22 AM
I still don't get all the Best love. This coming from a guy who was at the Minnesota game this year when he had 5 TDs in that game.

He doesn't break tackles...he goes down on first contact. He wasn't even the featured player on CAL...he was actually on the field less than 50% of the snaps in that game...he's a homerun threat as far as if you let him see the goaline he is going to beat you there...but he isn't going to be a 10 carry back in the NFL. Gimmick player and special teamer is the best bet. Don't think he can play 3rd downs because he isn't strong like a Sproles or CJ..he's soft and that will show in blitz pickup.


This is why people love him. Much of your second paragraph described Barry Sanders; and on film, Best is like a much less stout version of Sanders.

Now to compare his college career or his physical numbers to Barry would be a bit silly, because Best can't compare (Sanders was only 5' 8", weighed 200 pounds, could squat ~700, and posted the best season in NCAA history). But every team in the league has a place for a guy who can give you that type of home-run threat for 10-15 touches per game.

Speaking as a third-generation Packer fan who's almost driven himself insane looking for the next Sayers-Sanders type, I have to say that Jahvid Best comes a lot closer than any of the more heralded guys in recent memory (Reggie Bush, for example, never wowed me in that sense, of being Sayers/Sanders-esque; and Bush is the closest in recent memory).

That's not to say that Best's flag-football style translates to the NFL, but we really don't know until any of these guys get to the league. For every Gale Sayers, there's 10 of Reggie Bush, and countless other who aren't even that good.

LickaMahfeetz
03-01-2010, 02:08 AM
Hey friends and foes! I just have a few questions on Cal RB Jahvid Best.

a) What are his strengths/weaknesses?
b) Is he more of a 1-2 punch player?
c) Is he doing alright after his scare?
d) Is #33 ( Rams ) good value for him? Or will be be taken higher?
e) Would he be idle for a team like St. Louis with a power RB?


Thanks!
b) Definitely

d) Definitely again. He very well could still end up in the 1st round discussion and if that's the case, that'll be too bad. He's a great option to weigh against some other top guys at #33 for the Rams.

e) Come on bro. You know the Rams. Spags wants to get that power run game going. It's pound the ball and play good defense to win the game. He needs a 2 for the 1-2 punch and so far the Rams don't have it. I think the greatest aspect of Best's as it translates to the Rams is SJ and his dancing ways. SJ's style of running completely contradicts Bests and when Best enters the game, he's going to show the defense something they haven't seen the entire time SJ was pounding away at them and that will catch them off guard.

Best is like a McCluster too, in the fact that his usage is limitless. You can run him out of the back field to create matchup hell for the opposing defense. You can even split him out wide in the slot. The only limit is going to be the offensive coordinators imagination. Unfortunately there's Shurmur and how imaginative is he or can he be? Last year he showed not much but he also blamed that on personnel so Best should give him some reason to get creative.

wogitalia
03-01-2010, 08:56 PM
He doesn't break tackles...he goes down on first contact. He wasn't even the featured player on CAL...he was actually on the field less than 50% of the snaps in that game...he's a homerun threat as far as if you let him see the goaline he is going to beat you there...but he isn't going to be a 10 carry back in the NFL. Gimmick player and special teamer is the best bet. Don't think he can play 3rd downs because he isn't strong like a Sproles or CJ..he's soft and that will show in blitz pickup.

A lot of these are knocks on Chris Johnson coming out. In fact most people thought he was a big reach because he was undersized and basically had proven nothing outside of serious home run ability in college, in a lesser conference to boot. Now CJ was bigger and I think that is very relevant, but to say that Best can't have an impact would be missing the point.

Best is a homerun threat, a game changer in that if he is on the field you can be sure that a safety is going to watch him. I'm not sure how much ability he has right now to line up in the slot but I'm sure he can learn it and I think that will be a big part of success for him, if he shows he can do that, similar to Harvin and Bush, then he becomes a 1st round talent, if he can't do it then his value is much lower, imo. Perhaps someone who has seen more of him can elaborate on this point.

But with more teams embracing the spread, guys like Bush and Harvin are pivotal because they allow you to go an empty set and audible into a run if it is a favourable matchup, their ability to hit homeruns also alters coverage, that guy you can throw a safe little quick hitch or slant to and have it go for a homerun is just invaluable. A lot of teams look for Randy Moss to take double coverage and open things up for everyone else but it seems that more and more teams are realising that you can achieve the same thing with a Bush, Harvin or DeSean Jackson who are also demanding of safety help or at least attention and it only takes Harvin pulling a safety a half step out of position and Berrian or Rice are gone, more offenses are going to become this way, the Eagles with Jackson opening up Maclin are going to be deadly for the next decade for example.

I rate Best. He certainly has a spot in this league. I would hate for a team like Green Bay to get him or Chicago for that matter. The potential he has to add a missing dynamic to their offenses just scares me and whilst I think we are safe from Chicago(no picks), him to Green Bay in the 20s scares the hell out of me. He would give them something that Ryan Grant just doesn't offer.

nikkayeah
03-01-2010, 10:24 PM
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HorusKing
03-02-2010, 02:14 AM
I like him as a true running back he clearly has done it at a high level and the only serious injury that he had was the extremely hard fall that cost him the rest of the season. This guy is simply awesome and hope the Texans are smart and draft this guy at #20.

Saints-Tigers
03-02-2010, 02:20 AM
Nice write up Wog.

Question.... has seeing Harvin get moved around given you an appreciation for someone like Reggie Bush?

big daddy russ
03-02-2010, 09:01 AM
I like Best, love watching him, but a lot of people overrate his top end. Not a huge complaint there, but he's not very strong and he can only break arm tackles (relies more on dexterity and balance to get through defenders' arms). That's a death knell for an NFL runner.

I wouldn't mind having him as a second option, but I think we get too excited over the homerun threats.

I wouldn't touch him in the first two rounds unless I already had a reliable back to shoulder the load or he just fit my system to a "t."

big daddy russ
03-02-2010, 09:06 AM
This is why people love him. Much of your second paragraph described Barry Sanders; and on film, Best is like a much less stout version of Sanders...
The only thing about his second paragraph that describes Barry is "homerun threat."

wogitalia
03-02-2010, 08:03 PM
Question.... has seeing Harvin get moved around given you an appreciation for someone like Reggie Bush?

It's funny, if you look back after last year I hated the Harvin pick because I just didn't see how he fit(I was also one of the few who really thought Rice could be something which played into it). I may be over reacting in ways when talking about guys like Best and Spiller because of how wrong I was with Harvin but he really does change the whole dynamic on offense.

As for Bush, I've always been a fan, I was one of the few non-Saints fans who didn't think he was a bust, I expected what he is when they drafted him, I won't lie that he has been worse as a runner than I expected but he has also been better as a receiver. Thing with Bush is that they have won games when he is healthy. His rookie season he changed offense in the NFL, Payton allowed and used him perfectly and he really helped that offense. Then he had a couple of years banged up, worth noting the team didn't do much during that period, he is back this year and the offense was just fresher again.

The thing is that the best way to open up big plays is to effectively make short plays, traditionally teams ran the ball but I think the 3-4 has been terrific at stopping that in part but there have been a number of teams that are using spread like offenses to great effect in the last couple of years. The Vikes did it this year, Saints have been doing it since Bush and Brees arrived, Pats do it, Packers have elements of it, 49ers looked best doing it. It is a great way to beat blitzes and to make safeties accountable.

I just think that Best adds great value to any team who wishes to run a spread like offense. He is the kind of guy that you make other teams plan for, the running back version of a guy like DeSean Jackson or Harvin, which so far has basically been Bush. I think Spiller offers the same and just a little more in between the tackles. I have no idea where Best falls in this draft, the hybrid RB for me is almost like 3-4 OLBs were 5 years ago, there are still a good 20-25 teams that have no interest in them as they don't fit their mold, but those teams who are embracing the spread should be looking and I don't know if he falls because of that allowing teams to get a steal. Based on Harvin last year it's hard to tell because he may have fallen because of positional concerns but he also had serious character and injury red flags. I think Spiller and Best are going to set the value on "hybrid" RB/WR types.

wogitalia
03-02-2010, 08:13 PM
I wouldn't touch him in the first two rounds unless I already had a reliable back to shoulder the load or he just fit my system to a "t."

This interests me to be honest. If I was looking for a RB, I would feel the same. However if I am looking to add a weapon to my offense his value is far different.

Personally I think his best fits are with the Packers, 49ers or Pats as far as teams that will use him best and get the most value. He could be the final piece from a skills side for the Packers, he would really allow the 49ers to implement the spread that was looking like it had potential last year and for the Pats he could be Kevin Faulk with a scary speed and homerun factor. There are other teams he could also fit nicely with but I think he offers first round value to those teams in particular and if they get him later than that they are going to be very happy.

WCH
03-02-2010, 11:33 PM
The only thing about his second paragraph that describes Barry is "homerun threat."

Barry lost 1,114 yards during his carer; mostly due to his willingness to pass up running lanes and then duck out of bounds or go down on first contact. He posted a -1 yard game.

Barry Sanders was the Brett Favre of RBs: he'd do stupid crap fairly often, and he had a lot of average games, but he played absolutely out-of-his-mind -- and in his own style -- often enough that people ignored the sub-par performances. The ultimate boom-or-bust performer.

Youtube highlights don't reflect the real Barry Sanders.

yourfavestoner
03-03-2010, 10:56 AM
Barry lost 1,114 yards during his carer; mostly due to his willingness to pass up running lanes and then duck out of bounds or go down on first contact. He posted a -1 yard game.

Barry Sanders was the Brett Favre of RBs: he'd do stupid crap fairly often, and he had a lot of average games, but he played absolutely out-of-his-mind -- and in his own style -- often enough that people ignored the sub-par performances. The ultimate boom-or-bust performer.

Youtube highlights don't reflect the real Barry Sanders.

That's one of the big reasons I've never been a huge Barry Sanders fan. His running style was just not conducive to offensive consistency. However, defenses still had to respect his big play ability so it kinda evened itself out.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-03-2010, 04:00 PM
That's one of the big reasons I've never been a huge Barry Sanders fan. His running style was just not conducive to offensive consistency. However, defenses still had to respect his big play ability so it kinda evened itself out.

That whole Lions offense wasn't conducive to offensive consistency. I understand how Sanders' lost yards could give people pause, but it wasn't like Barry intentionally wouldn't run through decent holes and would dance around in the backfield for no reason. He largely had to do so because the defense was penetrating that offensive line so quickly.

LonghornsLegend
03-03-2010, 05:45 PM
Sure he'll be drafted high because he's fast...but he'll never live up to the expectations of people on here thinking he's the next lightning in the NFL...look at all the speed backs in the league that are successful...they are all extremely strong despite there size.

Like Jamaal Charles right? People said the same things about him.



Reggie Bush goes down on the first arm that touches him too, LeSean McCoy did alot of that too this year, if Best goes someplace that utilizes him correctly he'll be a weapon on offense. He has great vision, runs with authority, and can get to the edge faster then most defenders. I'm more concerned with the concussions then I am anything to do with his ability.

mellojello
03-03-2010, 07:34 PM
Wog...Bush, Desean, CJ, Harvin, Spiller, Best...I see what you see. These type of playmakers are not growing on trees.

In terms of Best playing in the slot and being moved around, Bush and Harvin were obviously better receivers in college, but I'm sure Meyer would have had a wet dream with a weapon like Best. Best has looked good when asked to catch and if you watched him at the combine in the receiving drills, he didn't disappoint. Personally, I didn't see enough plays in college to definitiely say he could be used like a Bush/Harvin in the pros, but Tedford recently mentioned that he doesn't know if people really understand how good Best is as a receiver. To Tedford's credit, he is not one to embellish.

Still, I wouldn't count out Best's ability as a pure RB, one who's effective between the tackles as well as being moved around occasionally. That's just my bias because I've seen him do it over and over with very little passing game to speak of. I wonder what he'll be able to do if he goes to a team with an effective passing game so defenses can no longer stack 9 or 10 in the box against him. Even the Jets this past year, I think he'd have a field day running behind that O-line (besides some solid teams you've already mentiond) because Jahvid's used to exploding through much smaller lanes.

Ultimately, I admit that this draft is stacked and along with the concussion concers, it leaves open the real possibility that Best is going to fall to the 2nd round. From the list of players above though, only Desean was taken after the 1st, but like Desean, I predict wherever he ends up, someone is going to be extremely pleased. Besides the football ability, he's a good kid too.

Brent
03-03-2010, 08:23 PM
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I just want people to know how bad it was. Oh, and I wouldnt be upset if the Niners drafted him in the 2nd.

Phillysteeler
03-03-2010, 09:10 PM
He hasn't played since November 7th 2009 and the earliest camp starting date was July 24th last year so he would have had almost nine months of recovery which should be fine unless he was experiencing symptoms for months afterward. He will be at an increased risk for future concussions however due to that concussion especially if he had had any before that. I assume anyone who is thinking about drafting him will run him through a CT, CAT scan and/or MRI prior to drafting him, and the NFL put all the prospects this year through a test to get a better baseline to determine future concussions. So when someone takes him I'm sure they will have done their due diligence and be ok with his current health.

wogitalia
03-03-2010, 09:22 PM
Still, I wouldn't count out Best's ability as a pure RB, one who's effective between the tackles as well as being moved around occasionally.

I can't see him running dives consistently or anything like that but I can't see a reason he can't do similar to what CJ did this year as a runner if he has an elite line in front of him. I think if you give him a hole he can and will hit it and that if he can get a LB flat footed he is going to go past most of them at the next level. At the same time, he will go down if the gaps aren't there for him, he is similar in college so it will only be accentuated in the NFL, he isn't going to be able so shake contact at the line and then get going like Tomlinson or Peterson have made a living doing but I certainly feel that behind a good line that can get him against a LB in a hole he has a chance to run between the tackles but with the ultimate aim of then bouncing outside so more Guard/Tackle hole running than C/G.

All that said, I still certainly see his value as a hybrid WR/RB on the Bush more RB than WR thing as opposed to Harvin being more WR than RB and I think on the right team he will be able to put up big time numbers.

I admit that this draft is stacked and along with the concussion concers,

Did he have a recurrence or was it just the one really bad one? I didn't follow it that much other than that he didn't play after it. I basically feel that if it is a one off like that one it's not an issue to me, especially given he gave it every chance to heal but Cal really isn't a program I followed closely last year so what do I know if he had recurrences then it is certainly an issue.

Is he the boxer who just caught a really good punch or does he have a weak chin for instance?

I just want people to know how bad it was. Oh, and I wouldnt be upset if the Niners drafted him in the 2nd.

I think the Niners are a great fit. With their spread utilisation he could be an incredible weapon for them. Especially if he helps keep Crabtree and Davis in positions to get one on one matchups by keeping safeties under pressure. I think that Harvin, Bush and Jackson have all shown that the hybrid type players that they are can all be perfectly successful alongside a feature back and probably even help the back, so not a threat to Gore but instead a compliment. That said, I think the 49ers are in a position to get Spiller who is the same sort of player only even better as a prospect. That said, Best could very well slip to the 2nd depending what teams do, in which case the 49ers can get great value and another need in the 1st.

mellojello
03-03-2010, 11:57 PM
he will go down if the gaps aren't there for him

No doubt, needs improvement there.

All that said, I still certainly see his value as a hybrid WR/RB on the Bush more RB than WR thing as opposed to Harvin being more WR than RB and I think on the right team he will be able to put up big time numbers.

I'd love to see it. Like I said, I'm really looking at it from Cal's offensive perspective, so maybe I'm trying to fit a square into a circle when he gets into the league. As far as his capacity to expand his role, he's a humble, hard working, and very coachable. Zero character issues. I don't see any issues there.

Did he have a recurrence or was it just the one really bad one?

There was one that was called a mild concussion at a practice a week or so prior to the famous one. Anyone who has had a concussion knows that you become more prone to them after having one. The longer you go without one, the better. The league/media is hyper sensitive to concussions right now, but speaking as someone that has had four, you can have one and practice the next day. I understand why they don't want that with professional football players, but I did it in high school and I'm sure a lot of others have too. The long-term cumulative effects on the brain are not good, but I've never heard of an athlete that had one and could never perform again. A knee or ligament injury, something that impacts his speed, would be far more devestating to his career.

Jahvid being held out the rest of the year, I think part of it was precautionary and part health. I could not think of a single reason putting him back on the field. Jahvid's backup, Shane Vereen, is really a starting RB waiting his turn in the rotation. There is very little drop off, if any, when Vereen is in. When you have the luxury of that kind of depth, what would be the motivation to return? Cal was already out of the running for the Rose Bowl, no need for Jahvid to put his pro career at risk, and the university doesn't need the downside if it recurrs. Like I said, I've had four concussions and you don't need that much time to heal, so it was probably more related to lingering back/neck pain. Those things do take longer to heal. Personally, I never though he'd return following the injury. They kept the option of him returning on the table each week, so I didn't fear the injury was career-ending.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-04-2010, 12:32 AM
At the same time, he will go down if the gaps aren't there for him...

I actually don't agree with this. Best was excellent at creating yardage when the intended gap broke down and is a slasher who's quick enough to get yards inside even without power.

Personally, I don't have Best that far behind Spiller.

LickaMahfeetz
03-04-2010, 02:13 AM
I just want people to know how bad it was. Oh, and I wouldnt be upset if the Niners drafted him in the 2nd.
As a Rams fan, I would be. =p

mellojello
03-04-2010, 02:26 AM
I actually don't agree with this. Best was excellent at creating yardage when the intended gap broke down and is a slasher who's quick enough to get yards inside even without power.

Personally, I don't have Best that far behind Spiller.PMD, I don't have Best that far behind Spiller either, if at all actually, but can you give me an example of this? Thanks.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-04-2010, 02:43 AM
PMD, I don't have Best that far behind Spiller either, if at all actually, but can you give me an example of this? Thanks.

Just game film. Look over some highlight tapes and you'll see Best change direction and bounce the ball outside quite when the interior Cal line had problems (which it often did).

mellojello
03-04-2010, 06:42 PM
Just game film. Look over some highlight tapes and you'll see Best change direction and bounce the ball outside quite when the interior Cal line had problems (which it often did).I'll definetly take a look. I'm guessing that's more from 2009 cause obviously, in 2008, he had some monster holes to run through at times.

big daddy russ
03-05-2010, 12:10 AM
Barry lost 1,114 yards during his carer; mostly due to his willingness to pass up running lanes and then duck out of bounds or go down on first contact. He posted a -1 yard game.

Barry Sanders was the Brett Favre of RBs: he'd do stupid crap fairly often, and he had a lot of average games, but he played absolutely out-of-his-mind -- and in his own style -- often enough that people ignored the sub-par performances. The ultimate boom-or-bust performer.

Youtube highlights don't reflect the real Barry Sanders.

Sanders could break tackles with his lower body strength. Best is weak in the legs and doesn't have much core strength. He can run through arm tackles, but he struggled breaking free of defenders in college. It doesn't get any easier in the League. Barry never had that problem. He was the ultimate scat back with more than enough strength to be a feature runner. That combo is the reason he's the only runner that's been able to consistently run outside over the last three and a half decades.

But you're absolutely right about everything else. I remember when they brought in Tommy Vardell in red zone situations and would bench Sanders for fear of losing points.

The year that Scott Mitchell came over from the 'Phins and the Lions blew up the league, they were nearly unstoppable. Their red zone issues were the only thing that tripped them up offensively. So many weapons (Mitchell, Sanders, Herman Moore, Brett Perriman, Johnnie Morton, etc, etc), but they struggled inside the 20's.

I hate to say this because I actually love Barry, but all these years I've thought that those '95 Lions could've gone toe-to-toe with the Niners or Boys on offense alone if they would've had a legit goal line option. Even without a functioning defense. A Mike Alstott-type would've been the final piece on that team.