G.O.A.T. Interactive Project

[yourfavestoner]

So, I have way too much time at work. We haven't done something like this since GermaineRace was here, I think.

This is essentially the same thing we'vve had for the Interactive All-American College team and what is currently going on in the draft section for prospect rankings. Essentially, we will interactively vote and rank the best players of all time by position.

For example, we will have a vote for defensive tackle. If you wish to vote for a player, simply type his name and, in parenthesis, what number person voting you are. If you're the fourth person to vote for Joe Greene, just type
Joe Green (4)
The first player to a certain number of votes wins the top spot in the rankings. Votes earned by other players carry over to the next ranking position. So if three people had voted for Bob Lily, these three votes would carry over to his race for second place.

No currently active players are eligible for vote. Positional rankings are fluid and vary from year to year with players, so it's silly to try and rank them from a historical perspective until we have a completed body of work to analyze.

A couple of things before we start:
Players will be ranked in groups on 10. First player to 10 votes secures spot #1. Next player to 10 fills spot #2. Etc, etc.

Rankings 1-5 will require 10 votes.
Rankings 6-10 will only require 5.

Now, remember: debate is encouraged! We want to know "why" you think a player is as good, or better, than another. At the end of the day, though, keep in mind that these rankings don't mean anything. It's just the collective opinion of a bunch of football nerds with too much time on their hands.

We'll start off with defensive positions, and move to offense after that (culminating with the great debate: best QBs of All-Time).

Some great resources:
www.hulu.com/nfl (http://www.hulu.com/nfl) Best thing to use. Has NFL Classics, Old Superbowls, Greatest Games, Season Highlights, and much much more.
profootballhof.com (http://profootballhof.com) Another great site. Has player bios, stats, and some videos of all players inducted into the Hall of Fame.
pro-football-reference.com (http://pro-football-reference.com) Has every statistic you could possibly image. Regular season, postseason, W-L record, boxscores, EVERYTHING.

Let's get this thing cracking gents! Old-timers, I'm expecting a lot out of you on this one.

G.O.A.T. Defensive Ends

1. http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3461/white03.jpgReggie White

2. http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9287/deaconjones.jpgDeacon Jones

3. http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2008/0313/nfl_a_smith2_200.jpgBruce Smith

4. http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8215/michaelstrahan.jpg Michael Strahan

5. http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/6366/picturergy.jpg Jack Youngblood

6. http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/7673/81391682.jpg Gino Marchetti

7. http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/PHO/AAGN207.jpg Carl Eller

8. http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/writers/ross_tucker/07/11/tucks.takes/t2.doleman.si.jpg Chris Doleman

9. http://www.oaklandraiders.hpg.com.br/long-howie.jpg Howie Long

10. http://assets.chicagobears.com/images/history/hof-atkins.jpg Doug Atkins

[neko4]

I think voting should be one or two positions per day

[yourfavestoner]

It's not like we can predetermine how many days it will take to vote for each position. It's entirely reliant on how quickly people vote.

I will tally all the votes for each day up, though, and update it on the first post of the thread. I'll do it right before I get off work (5 PST).

[neko4]

It's not like we can predetermine how many days it will take to vote for each position. It's entirely reliant on how quickly people vote.

I will tally all the votes for each day up, though, and update it on the first post of the thread. I'll do it right before I get off work (5 PST).

Well when do we start, and with what position, DE?

[Bengals78]

DT - Bob Lilly
DE - Reggie White
OLB - LT
ILB - Jack Lambert
S - Ronnie Lott
CB - Deon Sanders

Kinda what youre looking for?

[Xonraider]

DT - Bob Lilly
DE - Reggie White
OLB - LT
ILB - Jack Lambert
S - Ronnie Lott
CB - Deon Sanders

Kinda what youre looking for?

I think Deacon Jones was a better DE and Dick Butkus was a better ILB

[yourfavestoner]

DT - Bob Lilly
DE - Reggie White
OLB - LT
ILB - Jack Lambert
S - Ronnie Lott
CB - Deon Sanders

Kinda what youre looking for?
No dude.
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38458
Look there for an example.

[neko4]

DT - Bob Lilly
DE - Reggie White
OLB - LT
ILB - Jack Lambert
S - Ronnie Lott
CB - Deon Sanders

Kinda what youre looking for?

One position at a time.

[no bare feet]

Quarterback
1. Peyton Manning (1)

ohh not active
1. John Montana (1)

[yo123]

Joe Montana (1)

[yourfavestoner]

Jesus Christ guys, has anybody actually tried reading the entire first post?

A couple of things before we start:
How many players should we rank? 5 or 10? Five makes the process go smoother, while 10 allows for a much broader group of players to be analyzed and debated (which is the entire point!).

How many votes should secure a ranking? First to 5 or 10? Five, again, makes the whole thing go smoother, but it is more subject to homeristic or ignorant voting. It also helps keep guys from jumping out ahead to quickly before other viable prospects have been brought up. Remember, a lot of these guys played a long time ago and aren't "fresh" in people's brains.

and

We'll start off with defensive positions, and move to offense after that (culminating with the great debate: best QBs of All-Time).

I've got a feeling I'm overestimating the board's capabilities with this. Wouldn't be the first time.

[yourfavestoner]

Quarterback
1. Peyton Manning (1)

ohh not active
1. John Montana (1)

John Montana, huh?

Yeah, I'm definitely overestimating.

[no bare feet]

maybe do secondary, linebackers, then dline at once?

i eff a lot of things up sorry.

[no bare feet]

John Montana, huh?

Yeah, I'm definitely overestimating.


:rolleyes::rolleyes:

[yo123]

Jesus Christ guys, has anybody actually tried reading the entire first post?



and



I've got a feeling I'm overestimating the board's capabilities with this. Wouldn't be the first time.

Lol, I was just making fun of nobarefeet.

[broth223]

So, I have way too much time at work. We haven't done something like this since GermaineRace was here, I think.

This is essentially the same thing we'vve had for the Interactive All-American College team and what is currently going on in the draft section for prospect rankings. Essentially, we will interactively vote and rank the best players of all time by position.

For example, we will have a vote for defensive tackle. If you wish to vote for a player, simply type his name and, in parenthesis, what number person voting you are. If you're the fourth person to vote for Joe Greene, just type
Joe Green (4)
The first player to a certain number of votes wins the top spot in the rankings. Votes earned by other players carry over to the next ranking position. So if three people had voted for Bob Lily, these three votes would carry over to his race for second place.

No currently active players are eligible for vote. Positional rankings are fluid and vary from year to year with players, so it's silly to try and rank them from a historical perspective until we have a completed body of work to analyze.

A couple of things before we start:
How many players should we rank? 5 or 10? Five makes the process go smoother, while 10 allows for a much broader group of players to be analyzed and debated (which is the entire point!).

How many votes should secure a ranking? First to 5 or 10? Five, again, makes the whole thing go smoother, but it is more subject to homeristic or ignorant voting. It also helps keep guys from jumping out ahead to quickly before other viable prospects have been brought up. Remember, a lot of these guys played a long time ago and aren't "fresh" in people's brains.

Now, remember: debate is encouraged! We want to know "why" you think a player is as good, or better, than another. At the end of the day, though, keep in mind that these rankings don't mean anything. It's just the collective opinion of a bunch of football nerds with too much time on their hands.

We'll start off with defensive positions, and move to offense after that (culminating with the great debate: best QBs of All-Time).

Some great resources:
www.hulu.com/nfl Best thing to use. Has NFL Classics, Old Superbowls, Greatest Games, Season Highlights, and much much more.
profootballhof.com Another great site. Has player bios, stats, and some videos of all players inducted into the Hall of Fame.
pro-football-reference.com Has every statistic you could possibly image. Regular season, postseason, W-L record, boxscores, EVERYTHING.

Let's get this thing cracking gents! Old-timers, I'm expecting a lot out of you on this one.

Well here is my take.

1. 10 players at each position.
2. 10 votes for top 3 5 votes for 4-10

[DDP711]

yeah i would go with 10 players at each position. And 10 votes for top 5 and the 5 votes for 6-10. That way would run the smoothest imo.

[Addict]

Well here is my take.

1. 10 players at each position.
2. 10 votes for top 3 5 votes for 4-10

That sounds pretty good. Also, if you have time, motivate your choice a little?

[broth223]

I think all votes that count needs a why attached

[Addict]

I think all votes that count needs a why attached

this is good. I like this.

[yourfavestoner]

Keep it coming guys, these are all great ideas!

[badgerbacker]

John Montana (2)

[neko4]

Well here is my take.

1. 10 players at each position.
2. 10 votes for top 3 5 votes for 4-10


So kind of like the heisman? except with 10 spots

Also there should be some sort of debate before every position and then a set voting time.

[Addict]

so what's the order? S, CB, OLB, ILB, DE, DT, OT, OG, C, WR, TE, RB, QB

do we count all these positions? I'd think that we can put Guards and Centers together and also the WR's and TE's? Will we have a FB vote? Or create a FB/TE vote?

do we do coaches? If so where?

[Addict]

So kind of like the heisman? except with 10 spots

Also there should be some sort of debate before every position and then a set voting time.

a voting time? Just until it's full. First to reach the required # of votes gets #1, then on to #2 and onwards. Once a list is full we move on to the next one.

Do we even count these votes being cast right now?

[wonderbredd24]

Will we have a FB vote?

Do you really need to confirm that Jim Brown is the greatest FB of all time in addition to being the best running back and arguably the best football player of all time, aside from MAYBE Sammy Baugh?

[yourfavestoner]

a voting time? Just until it's full. First to reach the required # of votes gets #1, then on to #2 and onwards. Once a list is full we move on to the next one.

Do we even count these votes being cast right now?

Yeah, there is no voting time; the votes will be finished when the rankings are filled.

And no we won't count the votes being cast right now.

As far as fullbacks: let's make a clear distinction here. The term fullback has changed over the years. In the old split backs pro set, the fullback was the primary ball carrier. So guys like Brown, Csonka, and Riggins will be listed as runningbacks in the vote.

Also, for less important (or well known) positions, I think we'll only do a top five. I think we'll just do this for centers, guards, and fullbacks, though.

[no bare feet]

John Montana (2)

2. Greg Brady (1)

[broth223]

so what's the order? S, CB, OLB, ILB, DE, DT, OT, OG, C, WR, TE, RB, QB

do we count all these positions? I'd think that we can put Guards and Centers together and also the WR's and TE's? Will we have a FB vote? Or create a FB/TE vote?

do we do coaches? If so where?

coches yes right before QB
each standard pos gets a vote (FB AND TE HAVE OWN RANK)

[scottyboy]

John Montana is over rated. It's all about Joe Montaynia.

[yourfavestoner]

so what's the order? S, CB, OLB, ILB, DE, DT, OT, OG, C, WR, TE, RB, QB

do we count all these positions? I'd think that we can put Guards and Centers together and also the WR's and TE's? Will we have a FB vote? Or create a FB/TE vote?

do we do coaches? If so where?

We'll do DE, DT, OLB, ILB, CB, S then OT, Int. OL, TE, WR, RB, QB for the order. No FB. Traditional FBs in the split back set (Brown, Csonka, Riggins) will be counted as RBs. We'll wrap it up with Head Coach.

[Addict]

Do you really need to confirm that Jim Brown is the greatest FB of all time in addition to being the best running back and arguably the best football player of all time, aside from MAYBE Sammy Baugh?

it's a position like any other, so it's at least a valid question to ask. really this acidic response of yours is completely useless. But don't let me keep you off teabagging Jim Brown.

[Addict]

We'll do DE, DT, OLB, ILB, CB, S then OT, Int. OL, TE, WR, RB, QB for the order. No FB. Traditional FBs in the split back set (Brown, Csonka, Riggins) will be counted as RBs. We'll wrap it up with Head Coach.

I'd say we need to keep QB as the finale, the Head Coach vote would turn into the pro bowl otherwise. Why not do the coaches as we transition from defense to offense, so between Safety and OT in your list?

[yourfavestoner]

I'd say we need to keep QB as the finale, the Head Coach vote would turn into the pro bowl otherwise. Why not do the coaches as we transition from defense to offense, so between Safety and OT in your list?

Hm, that's a very good idea. I like it!

[broth223]

We'll do DE, DT, OLB, ILB, CB, S then OT, Int. OL, TE, WR, RB, QB for the order. No FB. Traditional FBs in the split back set (Brown, Csonka, Riggins) will be counted as RBs. We'll wrap it up with Head Coach.

So we start?

[yourfavestoner]

So we start?

Yup, I think so.

[no bare feet]

Defensive End
1. Deacon Jones (1)

[yourfavestoner]

Defensive End
1. Deacon Jones (1)
I'm going to do a seperate thread for each position to keep it more manageable. When each position is done with voting, I'lll update this thread with the final rankings for that position.

Also, try to give an explanation as to WHY you voted for a certain guy. Even if it's just some stats or Pro Bowl selections. Don't just throw a name out there.

[SuperMcgee]

John Montana is over rated. It's all about Joe Montaynia.

Flawed Joe Mantegna jokes are the worst.

[no bare feet]

I'm going to do a seperate thread for each position to keep it more manageable. When each position is done with voting, I'lll update this thread with the final rankings for that position.

Also, try to give an explanation as to WHY you voted for a certain guy. Even if it's just some stats or Pro Bowl selections. Don't just throw a name out there.

Deal. thanks for the heads up

[broth223]

A very difficult catagory to start I had to choose between white smith and jones. The reason I choose white is because of his versitility.

Class of 2006
Defensive End >>> 6-5, 291
(Tennessee)
1985-1992 Philadelphia Eagles, 1993-1998 Green Bay Packers, 2000 Carolina Panthers
Reginald Howard White. . .Selected fourth overall in 1984 NFL Supplemental Draft. . .Recorded more sacks (124) than games played (121) in eight seasons with Eagles. . .Became Packers’ all-time sack leader with 68.5. . .Recorded 12 seasons with 10-plus sacks. . . NFL Defensive Player of the Year in 1987, 1991, 1998. . . Elected to 13 straight Pro Bowls. . .Named All-Pro 13 of 15 seasons including 10 as first-team selection. . .Born December 19, 1961 in Chattanooga, Tennessee. . .Died December 26, 2004 at age of 43.


a7PU8op-YKA

[yourfavestoner]

Updated. DT will start today.

[Dirk360]

Howie Long was a terrific player.

[TACKLE]

I was reminded of this thread after watching NFLN's Top 100. Lately on here there's been a fair amount of talk in where modern players fit in a historical perspective and where old timers fit in a modern perspective. It got me wondering if there was a chance this project could still have legs if we started it up again. I felt it was really interesting and informative when we did the DE list.

YFS, I don't know if you're still willing to or have the time to take charge of this. But if you could, that would be awesome.

So SWDC, would there still be interest from you guys in starting this up again?

[nepg]

We'll do DE, DT, OLB, ILB, CB, S then OT, Int. OL, TE, WR, RB, QB for the order. No FB. Traditional FBs in the split back set (Brown, Csonka, Riggins) will be counted as RBs. We'll wrap it up with Head Coach.

"Interior OL"? Really?? A scouting website that refuses to differentiate between guards and centers... A scouting website that can't rank the Top 10 best guards and centers separately? Seriously?!

[Razor]

I think that OG and OC should be two seperate catogories as well.. Great idea with the vote btw.

[P-L]

We should finish this. I think now that football season has started, there will be more people active and better discussion.

[General Zod]

I'd like to see this happen. People really should give thier explanations why they are voting for who they are voting for. This forum is fairly young so it should be interesting to see how it turns out.

[tjsunstein]

It would obviously be tilted towards the modern era.

[broth223]

I know we did DT and OLB I think we are at ILB IIRC lemme see if I can find the old threads.

[broth223]

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38687&page=3

DT needs two more players

[General Zod]

wrong thread, plz delete

[yourfavestoner]

Yayy! Thanks for bringing this back guys. Hopefully we can finish it since we're not in the dead zone anymore.

[General Zod]

Yayy! Thanks for bringing this back guys. Hopefully we can finish it since we're not in the dead zone anymore.

Yeah I love this ****, but you want us to post our votes here? or in there own threads?

[yourfavestoner]

Yeah I love this ****, but you want us to post our votes here? or in there own threads?

In the respective threads for the position. Once voting is done, I'll copy the results back over here.