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grushcow
02-21-2010, 02:15 PM
If you have any questions about the picks just ask for my reasoning. This is my first stab at a mock so I'm just trying to get a feel for what I need to change. Thanks in advance for the input.

Round 1
St. Louis Rams: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame*
2. Detroit Lions: Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska, Nebraska
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma*
4. Washington Redskins: Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
5. Kansas City Chiefs: Jason Pierre-Paul, DE/OLB, South Florida*
6. Seattle Seahawks: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma*
7. Cleveland Browns: Eric Berry, DB, Tennessee*
8. Oakland Raiders: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland*
9. Buffalo Bills: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers*
10. Jacksonville Jaguars: Joe Haden, CB, Florida*
11. Denver Broncos (from Bears): Dan Williams, NT, Tennessee
12. Miami Dolphins: Dez Bryant, WR, Oklahoma State*
13. San Francisco: C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
14. Seattle Seahawks (from Broncos): Taylor Mays, S, Southern California
15. New York Giants: Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama*
16. Tennessee Titans: Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech*
17. San Francisco 49ers (from Panthers): Bryan Bulaga, OT, Iowa*
18. Pittsburgh Steelers: Mike Iupati, OG, Idaho
19. Atlanta Falcons: Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan
20. Houston Texans: Earl Thomas, FS, Texas*
21. Cincinnati Bengals: Carlos Dunlap, DE, Florida*
22. New England Patriots: Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
23. Green Bay Packers: Charles Brown, OT, Southern California
24. Philadelphia Eagles: Maukrice Pouncey, OL, Florida*
25. Baltimore Ravens: Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech*
26. Arizona Cardinals: Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
27. Dallas Cowboys: Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
28. San Diego Chargers: Jonathon Dwyer, RB, Georgia Tech*
29. New York Jets: Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
30. Minnesota Vikings: Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
31. Indianapolis Colts: Brian Price, DT, UCLA*
32. New Orleans Saints: Everson Griffen, DE, Southern California

Round 2
33. St. Louis Rams: Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame*
34. Detroit Lions: Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
35. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati
36. Kansas City Chiefs: Terrance Cody, NT, Alabama
37. Washington Redskins: Sergio Kindle, SLB, Texas
38. Cleveland Browns: Arrelious Benn, WR, Illinois*
39. Oakland Raiders: Daryl Washington, WLB, Texas Christian
40. Seattle Seahawks: Vladimir Ducasse, OL, Massachusetts
41. Buffalo Bills: Tyson Alualu, DE, California
42. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Bears): Damian Williams, WR, Southern California*
43. Miami Dolphins: Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
44. New England Patriots (from Jaguars): Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
45. Denver Broncos: Dan Lefevour, QB, Central Michigan
46. New York Giants: Chad Jones, S, Louisiana State
47. New England Patriots (from Titans): Lamarr Houston, DE, Texas
48. Carolina Panthers: John Jerry, OG, Mississippi
49. San Francisco 49ers: Eric Norwood, LB, South Carolina
50. Kansas City Chiefs (from Falcons): Jared Veldheer, OT, Hillsdale
51. Houston Texans: Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
52. Pittsburgh Steelers: Donovan Warren, CB, Michigan*
53. New England Patriots: Jerry Hughes, OLB, Texas Christian
54. Cincinnati Bengals: Rob Gronkowski, TE, Arizona*
55. Philadelphia Eagles: Alex Carrington, DL, Arkansas State
56. Green Bay Packers: Jahvid Best, RB, California*
57. Baltimore Ravens: Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama*
58. Arizona Cardinals: Jason Fox, OT, Miami (FL)
59. Dallas Cowboys: Nate Allen, FS, South Florida
60. San Diego Chargers: Arthur Jones, DE, Syracuse
61. New York Jets: Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
62. Minnesota Vikings: Tony Pike, QB, Cincinnati
63. Indianapolis Colts: Myron Rolle, SS, Florida State
64. New Orleans Saints: Navorro Bowman, OLB, Penn State

RealityCheck
02-21-2010, 02:18 PM
22. New England Patriots: Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
44. New England Patriots (from Jaguars): Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
47. New England Patriots (from Titans): Lamarr Houston, DE, Texas
53. New England Patriots: Jerry Hughes, OLB, Texas Christian

I'd rather have Kindle.
Maybe we trade down and take Tebow.
Not sure if he fits our scheme, would rather have Carrington
Love the pick.

prock
02-21-2010, 02:21 PM
horrible vikings mock. we dont need a first round corner, and tony pike isnt a top 3 round talent.

mario
02-21-2010, 02:42 PM
WR or DT (or at least a corner) for the Panthers: we've a great OL (and the back-ups showed very good things late in the season)

zachsaints52
02-21-2010, 02:45 PM
Would rather have Terrance Cody in the first then Griffen, just for the fact he can be a two down run stuffer and have a DT slide to DT to go against the pass. The 2nd is alright with me, good job.

wicket
02-21-2010, 03:08 PM
I really like the saints picks tbqh, zachsaints and I have finally found people to disagree on (griffen and pouncey)

V.I.P
02-21-2010, 03:23 PM
3. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Gerald McCoy, DT, Oklahoma*
35. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Mardy Gilyard, WR, Cincinnati
42. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (from Bears): Damian Williams, WR, Southern

Would of been the best Bucs mock if you had replaced Gilyard with a CB, S, or a DE.

Legacy
02-21-2010, 03:31 PM
Would of been the best Bucs mock if you had replaced Gilyard with a CB, S, or a DE.
Agreed. I like Williams, but not Gilyard and the Bucs have too many other needs to draft two receivers in the 2nd round.

Pat Sims 90
02-21-2010, 03:33 PM
Dunlap is a horriable pick we drafted someone like him last year in Michael Johnson and we have a lot of money tied up into DE already

Demaryius Thomas in the 1st

Gronk is a good pick

grushcow
02-21-2010, 04:13 PM
Would of been the best Bucs mock if you had replaced Gilyard with a CB, S, or a DE.

Yeah thats my bad Buc fans, I looked back on it and didn't realize until I was finished that you drafted 2 second round receivers. That'll be changed the second time around.

grushcow
02-21-2010, 04:15 PM
Dunlap is a horriable pick we drafted someone like him last year in Michael Johnson and we have a lot of money tied up into DE already

Demaryius Thomas in the 1st

Gronk is a good pick

I don't think its the right pick, but I do think its a pick that the Bengals would make. He's the type of guy that Marvin Lewis thinks he can motivate/change with and unlimited ceiling.

vidae
02-21-2010, 04:15 PM
JPP to the Chiefs? Dear god no. DEAR GOD NO. Berry or McClain would be much better picks.

Give KC Ducasse and Hughes in the second. I can't find a KC fan on this board who likes Cody.

grushcow
02-21-2010, 04:21 PM
WR or DT (or at least a corner) for the Panthers: we've a great OL (and the back-ups showed very good things late in the season)

As run blockers Bernadeau, Schwartz and Vincent were mediocre at best. John Jerry is my #2 guard and it's not even close. He's massive and the Panthers love big maulers. Guard could be upgraded and Jerry is in the mold of Leonard Davis IMO. Thats my reasoning for it.

toddmlazarchick
02-21-2010, 04:22 PM
Orakpo and Kindle would be a deadly 3-4 OLB reunion :)

grushcow
02-21-2010, 04:25 PM
JPP to the Chiefs? Dear god no. DEAR GOD NO. Berry or McClain would be much better picks.

Give KC Ducasse and Hughes in the second. I can't find a KC fan on this board who likes Cody.

I've gotten a lot of flack for this pick on another board, but nobody has been able to say it doesn't make sense. As a fan I wouldn't like it either but its clear positional value is very important to Pioli and in a 3-4 a pass rusher is more important then a safety or inside backer. IMO JPP should be a second rounder, but I've seen him go as high as 3 and you just know he's gonna blow up the combine. I don't agree with it, but its very possible.

I'm not big on my Verdheer pick, that'll change in the next one. As for Cody I grade him as an early third rounder but once again, Pioli needs to plug in his pieces for the 3-4 to be successful and Cody might remind him of Wilfork.

grushcow
02-21-2010, 04:26 PM
Orakpo and Kindle would be a deadly 3-4 OLB reunion :)

Honestly when I did this I completely forgot that they were transitioning to a 3-4. I envisioned Kindle at SLB and moving Orakpo to his more natural spot at DE. But most people have liked the pick so I may keep it that way in future.

RaiderNation
02-21-2010, 04:35 PM
Give us Anthony Davis instead of Campbell. We are going back to a power running game and Davis is a power blocker. Plus Davis might test better than Campbell

FinsUp21
02-21-2010, 04:46 PM
No way the Rams don't pick Suh.

PhysicalwithanF
02-21-2010, 04:57 PM
success for the Niners

grushcow
02-21-2010, 05:43 PM
Give us Anthony Davis instead of Campbell. We are going back to a power running game and Davis is a power blocker. Plus Davis might test better than Campbell

Personally not much of a Davis fan. Campbell is a freak of nature, I think Davis is physically gifted, but Campbell is on a whole different level IMO. If he picks either I think it'll be a good pick.

akvikefan89
02-21-2010, 05:50 PM
Wilson = :)
Pike = :(

Bengals78
02-21-2010, 06:15 PM
I don't think its the right pick, but I do think its a pick that the Bengals would make. He's the type of guy that Marvin Lewis thinks he can motivate/change with and unlimited ceiling.

I think the Chiefs should draft Clausen even though they have Cassel and have a lot of money tied up in QB because he is the kind of player Weis likes.

Make sense?
Didnt think so.

Its not the right pick. Its not the pick we will make. Its not the type of player we take in the first.
We take proven guys not workout warriors.

We get 2 guys who wont start or play much...great!
The only way a TE not named Gresham would start is if we dont sign any other TE in FA

And the defense wont be Marvin's call. It will be Zimmers.

FrankGore
02-21-2010, 06:42 PM
It works very nicely for SF.

49erNation85
02-21-2010, 07:07 PM
Another good 9ers pick as well . I'm still hoping we get Tebow in round 2 or 3 if he is there .

bluebonnet78
02-21-2010, 07:22 PM
I'd take Trent Williams in the first and Nate Allen in the second for Dallas. I'd be surprised if both fell that far though.

Of course Golden Tate would be even sweeter

Carlos Dunlap to the Bengals would be a big surprise. I keep thinking they've got to address their WR situation early on.

toddmlazarchick
02-21-2010, 08:12 PM
Honestly when I did this I completely forgot that they were transitioning to a 3-4. I envisioned Kindle at SLB and moving Orakpo to his more natural spot at DE. But most people have liked the pick so I may keep it that way in future.

Well we might be looking at a 3-4 hybrid style. Either way we need an OLB whether it be a 4-3 or a 3-4 LB. I think Kindle could do either. We have been linked to Karlos Dansby. If we take Dansby we could be looking to move Rocky McIntosh or London Fletcher. If we ink Dansby then we would be looking at:

Dansby-Fletcher-McIntosh for a 4-3 and
Orakpo-Dansby-McIntosh/Fletcher-??? for a 3-4

We have Andre Carter, Jeremy Jarmon and Chris Wilson for that other OLB spot in the 3-4 but Carter was a below average 3-4 OLB in SF and that was 4 years ago, he would be worse now. Jarmon is being asked to moved to 3-4 OLB because he can rush the passer. Wilson did a decent job as an OLB last season but nothing special. Kindle would serve a perfect LB for us. He can rush very well and cover.

Abaddon
02-21-2010, 08:22 PM
Campbell ahead of Davis, Bulaga, and Haden makes no sense.

Oakland has no use of a weakside backer.

grushcow
02-21-2010, 08:47 PM
Campbell ahead of Davis, Bulaga, and Haden makes no sense.

Oakland has no use of a weakside backer.

Al Davis makes no sense, not to mention I have Campbell rated ahead of Davis. Maybe Haden, but Bulaga doesn't have the athleticism of either tackle (although I have him ranked ahead).

Outside of Kirk Morrison you have no keepers. Not to mention Davis will love Washington's skill set.

grushcow
02-21-2010, 08:48 PM
Well we might be looking at a 3-4 hybrid style. Either way we need an OLB whether it be a 4-3 or a 3-4 LB. I think Kindle could do either. We have been linked to Karlos Dansby. If we take Dansby we could be looking to move Rocky McIntosh or London Fletcher. If we ink Dansby then we would be looking at:

Dansby-Fletcher-McIntosh for a 4-3 and
Orakpo-Dansby-McIntosh/Fletcher-??? for a 3-4

We have Andre Carter, Jeremy Jarmon and Chris Wilson for that other OLB spot in the 3-4 but Carter was a below average 3-4 OLB in SF and that was 4 years ago, he would be worse now. Jarmon is being asked to moved to 3-4 OLB because he can rush the passer. Wilson did a decent job as an OLB last season but nothing special. Kindle would serve a perfect LB for us. He can rush very well and cover.

Well thats all fine and good, but my Dolphins have dibs on Dansby. :D

DiG
02-21-2010, 09:01 PM
Jarmon is being asked to moved to 3-4 OLB because he can rush the passer.

jarmon is going to bulk up for de before he slims down for olb. mark my word on that. and kindle in the 2nd would be impossible to turn down.

Abaddon
02-21-2010, 09:21 PM
Al Davis makes no sense, not to mention I have Campbell rated ahead of Davis. Maybe Haden, but Bulaga doesn't have the athleticism of either tackle (although I have him ranked ahead).

Al wouldn't pass on the draft's top CB. His IV drip of NFL Films highlights of Hayes/Haynes and Brown/Thomas wouldn't allow him to pass up the Asomugha/Haden tandem. Plus, CB is a real need anyway. Perfect fit, and completely logical by Al Davis standards.

Outside of Kirk Morrison you have no keepers. Not to mention Davis will love Washington's skill set.

Shows what you know. Morrison is absolutely awful, and Davis doesn't often fall in love with any LB. Thomas Howard may be salvageable. Trevor Scott performed very well as the WILL/Elephant LB when he was moved from DE. The actual need at LB is in the middle and on the strong side. Washington fits into neither role.

toddmlazarchick
02-21-2010, 09:27 PM
Well thats all fine and good, but my Dolphins have dibs on Dansby. :D

You dont want to go toe to toe with Snyder's pockets.

toddmlazarchick
02-21-2010, 09:28 PM
jarmon is going to bulk up for de before he slims down for olb. mark my word on that. and kindle in the 2nd would be impossible to turn down.

Ive read that Jarmon more likely going to be moved to OLB because of his pass rushing abilities.

toddmlazarchick
02-21-2010, 09:28 PM
jarmon is going to bulk up for de before he slims down for olb. mark my word on that. and kindle in the 2nd would be impossible to turn down.

If Kindle falls to the 2nd you cant pass it up. Orakpo and Kindle reunited would be amazing.

toddmlazarchick
02-21-2010, 09:29 PM
Al wouldn't pass on the draft's top CB. His IV drip of NFL Films highlights of Hayes/Haynes and Brown/Thomas wouldn't allow him to pass up the Asomugha/Haden tandem. Plus, CB is a real need anyway. Perfect fit, and completely logical by Al Davis standards.



Shows what you know. Morrison is absolutely awful, and Davis doesn't often fall in love with any LB. Thomas Howard may be salvageable. Trevor Scott performed very well as the WILL/Elephant LB when he was moved from DE. The actual need at LB is in the middle and on the strong side. Washington fits into neither role.

Is there a real possibility of Morrison getting cut?

Abaddon
02-21-2010, 09:33 PM
Is there a real possibility of Morrison getting cut?

He's a restricted FA. There's a real possibility that he's not tendered and allowed to walk, or given a low tender and traded. I don't envision such a poor player being any sort of priority.

toddmlazarchick
02-21-2010, 09:34 PM
He's a restricted FA. There's a real possibility that he's not tendered and allowed to walk, or given a low tender and traded. I don't envision such a poor player being any sort of priority.

In your opinion what happened to him. I remember him being very talented but why the sudden drop off.

Abaddon
02-21-2010, 09:42 PM
In your opinion what happened to him. I remember him being very talented but why the sudden drop off.

He used to be solid in coverage, but was never a good run defending MLB. He was adequate against the run as a WILL (his rookie season) because of how many open opportunities a guy is afforded on that side, but simply cannot shed a block. In any given game, you'll see plays where he runs into a blocker and just flails around, not even attempting to get away and into the play.

He runs himself out of position far too often, lacking any sense of gap integrity.

I think his level of effort and heart are a far cry from what they were at SD St. He, as much as anyone and more than most, are the cause for Oakland's annually embarrassing run defense.

jCut
02-21-2010, 09:44 PM
McClain over Dan Williams please.

BaLLiN
02-21-2010, 10:25 PM
i dont think the draft could get much better than that for the giants

thebow305
02-22-2010, 01:44 AM
Solid Phins draft.

marshallb
02-22-2010, 09:31 AM
Not a fan of the Vikings draft. CB is not a huge need, and Pike has horrible value there.

grushcow
02-22-2010, 03:11 PM
Al wouldn't pass on the draft's top CB. His IV drip of NFL Films highlights of Hayes/Haynes and Brown/Thomas wouldn't allow him to pass up the Asomugha/Haden tandem. Plus, CB is a real need anyway. Perfect fit, and completely logical by Al Davis standards.



Shows what you know. Morrison is absolutely awful, and Davis doesn't often fall in love with any LB. Thomas Howard may be salvageable. Trevor Scott performed very well as the WILL/Elephant LB when he was moved from DE. The actual need at LB is in the middle and on the strong side. Washington fits into neither role.

Thats not what the in depth stats say. It actually says the opposite of what you say. Its pretty reliable and I'm sure you know your team well, I'm just going off of profootballfocus.com because they compile the best stats and are consistently spot on.

Abaddon
02-22-2010, 03:46 PM
By all means, explain to me how Kirk Morrison is not an embarrassment to MLBs.

grushcow
02-22-2010, 08:07 PM
well that was only about 4 rounds too early.

Not if you watch football. He's without a doubt my number 3 QB in the draft.

Grizzlegom
02-22-2010, 09:21 PM
Phins draft looks good to me.

K Train
02-22-2010, 09:53 PM
iupati would piss me off but id be thrilled with warren....iupati is becoming a cliche steeler pick and i dont see it happening

Abaddon
02-22-2010, 10:28 PM
LeFevour's mama says he's number 1 in her book.

grushcow
02-23-2010, 02:22 AM
then i guess you're quite literally the only person who watched any football last year. a quick google reveals no one, absolutely no one agrees with you.

Only time will tell, thats why we aren't in the draft room and we're on the internet.

Poz51
02-23-2010, 07:40 AM
If you have any questions about the picks just ask for my reasoning. This is my first stab at a mock so I'm just trying to get a feel for what I need to change. Thanks in advance for the input.

Round 1
9. Buffalo Bills: Anthony Davis, OT, Rutgers*
Round 2
41. Buffalo Bills: Tyson Alualu, DE, California
43. Miami Dolphins: Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
49. San Francisco 49ers: Eric Norwood, LB, South Carolina
53. New England Patriots: Jerry Hughes, OLB, Texas Christian
55. Philadelphia Eagles: Alex Carrington, DL, Arkansas State
61. New York Jets: Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson


The 1st round pick is a home run, fills a top need, and is an excellent value.
The 2nd round pick is good, I like Alualu as a player, just see him as a 4-3 DT more than a 3-4 end, but that is my opinion, he could transition well. I like Spikes, Norwood, Hughes, Carrington and Sapp better from a value standpoint, and think they all fill needs as well. Nice job overall, im not a big fan of Brown in the first, nor do I think this is a good draft for QB's in general, particularly in the second round, but I thought it was a solid effort :)

grushcow
02-23-2010, 06:27 PM
then don't say stupid **** like "if you watch football". if you like the guy, say why. at least that'd be interesting to read, even if i still disagreed with it.

He was a guy I was looking at to turn some heads at the Senior Bowl and he impressed me. Physically he fits the mold of an NFL quarterback, big body, athletic. He is accurate a strong enough arm to make it in the NFL, he throws darts and I think its over-analyzation, I see him put good zip on his passes, don't see where the arm strength questions come from just cause he isn't Jamarcus. His production is elite and I liked what I saw from Dan when he needed to drop back and take snaps under center at the Senior Bowl. And most importantly when looking at his intangibles he is a leader and that is one of the most important traits a quarterback can have. He is Tim Tebow without the mechanical short comings and he will be a winner in the NFL. He isn't gonna start day 1, but if your drafting a quarterback in round 2 or later he shouldn't be.

TitanHope
02-23-2010, 07:23 PM
Morgan is an excellent pick for the Titans. /Redundant ;)