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BaLLiN
03-04-2010, 05:25 PM
Thought itd be interesting to see the collective opinion on where a prospect is best fitted in the future and specifically what role would entail in that scheme.

Examples:

QB's- WCO vs Traditional Drop back, Run to Pass Offense vs Pass to Run Offense

RB's- ZBS vs Designed hole running, Power vs Finesse, Feature vs situational vs 3DB

FB's- mostly blocking vs multidimensional

WR's- Slot vs Outside, Possession vs Deep threat vs YAC

TE- receiver vs balanced vs blocking

OL- ZBS vs Man Assignments

DL- 3-4 vs 4-3, UT vs NT, RE vs LE

LB's- 3-4 vs 4-3, ILB vs OLB, Tampa2 vs Man vs Zoneblitz oriented

CB's- Cov2 vs Man vs Zone vs Man Press, CB1 vs CB2 vs Slot

S's- FS vs SS, Tampa vs Cov1

brasho
03-04-2010, 05:33 PM
I think when you think of a traditional dropback passer these days you're thinking WCO. Even the teams that don't run WCO routes still run WCO principles, dropbacks, and reads (Parcells family, disciples of Gibbs, etc). Now you're looking at traditional as WCO and the athletes which vary depending on their offense in college and what they were asked to do.

yourfavestoner
03-04-2010, 05:34 PM
Taylor Mays - TAMPA TWO ALL THE ******* WAY

He is Bob Sanders on a 6'3 frame.

prock
03-04-2010, 05:35 PM
Taylor Mays - TAMPA TWO ALL THE ******* WAY

He is Bob Sanders on a 6'3 frame.

Gimme gimme gimme!!!

brasho
03-04-2010, 05:36 PM
As far as backs go, you can call them ZBS, traditional I-back, and single backs.

I think where you're going to find the biggest differences are on defense at CB where you have the man2man guys vs the cover 2 guys and on the DL where you have the 2-gap 2 tech DTs, the 1-gap 3 tech Dts (UT) and the typical 0 tech NT as well as the occasional 1 tech NT (Anybody other than Ratliff?)

prock
03-04-2010, 05:38 PM
Taylor Mays in the Minnesota version Tampa Two, Colt McCoy in our WCO. Yum.

brasho
03-04-2010, 05:41 PM
I think Mays and his speed and if he ever figures out how to play might be better suited to a man heavy team with 1 FS over top in either a cover 3 or cover 1.

If he has any instincts to go witih his speed his talents may be wasted as a S in a cover 2, unless he is playing SS and will be walked up into the box frequently.

BaLLiN
03-04-2010, 05:49 PM
Its hard to place Mays as he is a physically impressive safety who doesnt wrap up well and is very efficient in deep single coverage. If he could succeed at blitzing he would probably be fit in a Rover position (mix between Adrian Wilson and Rodney Harrison)

Keeping him in deep coverage is a recipe for disaster with his hips and instincts, NFL QB's could take advantage, whereas giving him a Rover position he is not traditionally deep and could be lined up to cover TE's or blitz or even fade back into a cov.

yourfavestoner
03-04-2010, 06:08 PM
I think Mays and his speed and if he ever figures out how to play might be better suited to a man heavy team with 1 FS over top in either a cover 3 or cover 1.

If he has any instincts to go witih his speed his talents may be wasted as a S in a cover 2, unless he is playing SS and will be walked up into the box frequently.

Well, that's the big misconception about Tampa Two.

The only time Cover Two is really run is in obvious passing situations. Most of the time, they're running Cover 1/Cover 3 to get one of those safeties down in the box on running downs. It's essential when you have your defensive linemen shooting upfield and your linebackers are bailing into pass coverage.

The staple of the Colts' Tampa Two defense is actually the weakside cover 3. Bethea (SS) plays over the top, while Sanders (FS) starts moving forward to either kill anything that comes across the line of scrimmage on a run or to get in the underneath passing lanes against the pass. Then, they'll switch it up to the Cover Two in passing downs.

Think about all the great safeties to come from Cover Two teams: John Lynch, Bob Sanders, Mike Brown, Adam Archuletta (STL days)...nobody is mistaking them for ball hawks. Hell, Sanders has only 6 picks in 8 seasons in the NFL.

Everyone thinks you need ballhawking safeties for a Tampa Two. Historically, the opposite is true.

prock
03-04-2010, 06:43 PM
Well, that's the big misconception about Tampa Two.

The only time Cover Two is really run is in obvious passing situations. Most of the time, they're running Cover 1/Cover 3 to get one of those safeties down in the box on running downs. It's essential when you have your defensive linemen shooting upfield and your linebackers are bailing into pass coverage.

The staple of the Colts' Tampa Two defense is actually the weakside cover 3. Bethea (SS) plays over the top, while Sanders (FS) starts moving forward to either kill anything that comes across the line of scrimmage on a run or to get in the underneath passing lanes against the pass. Then, they'll switch it up to the Cover Two in passing downs.

Think about all the great safeties to come from Cover Two teams: John Lynch, Bob Sanders, Mike Brown, Adam Archuletta (STL days)...nobody is mistaking them for ball hawks. Hell, Sanders has only 6 picks in 8 seasons in the NFL.

Everyone thinks you need ballhawking safeties for a Tampa Two. Historically, the opposite is true.

What is most impressive about this is the fact Bob Sanders has only been active for approximately 7 games in those 8 years.

yourfavestoner
03-04-2010, 06:49 PM
What is most impressive about this is the fact Bob Sanders has only been active for approximately 7 games in those 8 years.

Very true. Although that can be attributed to the fact that his 5'8 frame isn't conducive - at all - to his playing style.

junior2430
03-04-2010, 06:57 PM
I like Taylor Mays in a FS role in a 34 defense. Let him just play centerfield with all that range.