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RaiderNation
03-09-2010, 04:41 PM
"I'm reporting that every team, except the Oakland Raiders, attended Oklahoma's Pro Day this morning."

http://twitter.com/bydavidwhite

.... Well I guess Gerald McCoy, Trent Williams or Sam Bradford arent good enough to be a raider :(

cvv84
03-09-2010, 04:44 PM
"I'm reporting that every team, except the Oakland Raiders, attended Oklahoma's Pro Day this morning."

http://twitter.com/bydavidwhite

.... Well I guess Gerald McCoy, Trent Williams or Sam Bradford arent good enough to be a raider :(

Im sure they won't complain.

RaiderNation
03-09-2010, 04:47 PM
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SwagU
03-09-2010, 05:01 PM
Just further means either Bruce Campbell, Taylor Mays or JPP will be the pick.

Splat
03-09-2010, 08:07 PM
Gerald McCoy will be drafted gone home and had a shower by the time Oakland picks.

619
03-09-2010, 08:20 PM
Do you guys really think the pick will be anyone either than Bruce Campbell? This is the most obvious draft for the team in recent memory.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-09-2010, 08:42 PM
Do you guys really think the pick will be anyone either than Bruce Campbell? This is the most obvious draft for the team in recent memory.

Really? No one has any indication that Oakland feels that offensive tackle is their biggest need (although we all know it is) and there is quite a large number of players that profile to Oakland's recent drafting habits at positions of need.

619
03-09-2010, 08:56 PM
Really? No one has any indication that Oakland feels that offensive tackle is their biggest need (although we all know it is) and there is quite a large number of players that profile to Oakland's recent drafting habits at positions of need.

You're right. It's difficult to get a grip on how the team feels about its pass rush in light of Ellis' release. I'm not giving JPP nearly as much as credit as he deserves. Logically Campbell makes too much sense, and that's probably where I've been caught up in all this.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-09-2010, 09:18 PM
Honestly, without some sort of vote of confidence for Mike Mitchell as the future at free safety, I think Mays should be considered a very real option.

raiderchampion3
03-10-2010, 03:46 AM
You are way over your mind about Mays being drafted by Raiders with Branch,mitchell and the emergence of Huff.

619
03-10-2010, 07:42 AM
Last year was a "redshirt" year for Mitchell and he even admitted to it. Playing in blitz packages on third down was a way to get him integrated into the defense while utilizing two of his greatest strengths, speed and pursuit. I wouldn't look into it as a vote of confidence from the team in one way or another. I have trouble seeing him unseat Huff unless his coverage abilities have markedly improved, which is hard to believe.

NIN1984
03-10-2010, 10:19 AM
I still think Trent Williams is a possibility. Al gives young players time to prove themselves and Al is a Mario Henderson fan, it was his pick. The Raiders have a HUGE hole at RT right now and Trent Williams would be a perfect fit for that spot.

619
03-10-2010, 10:34 AM
There's an assumption that Bruce Campbell, because of his extraordinary athleticism, will automatically be plugged onto the left side. I'm not so sure that will be the case if we draft him, though after a year or two I could see it. Everyone realizes he's a project type, and it would be best to ease the transition process as much as possible by playing him on the right side where his skills project best right away. He was considerably better in run blocking than in pass protection at Maryland, mostly due to an overall bad technique you could say.

Komp
03-10-2010, 01:01 PM
Yah I'm not sure if we don't draft Bulaga, Williams or another OT....

It would kind of suck to sit at 8 and draft Campbell when we could trade down to 15ish and get him....

Paranoidmoonduck
03-10-2010, 01:06 PM
Where the hell is this "unseating Michael Huff" **** coming from? The guy had a few interceptions early in the season, but he couldn't stave off Hiram Eugene for part of the season. He was far from a success last season.

Also,

(Campbell) was considerably better in run blocking than in pass protection at Maryland, mostly due to an overall bad technique you could say.

This is patently false. Campbell was actually quite a good pass protector at Maryland but largely failed to drive very well on running plays. Playing him on the right side would be pretty damn silly, he either becomes a decent starter on the left side or he's a total bust.

RaiderNation
03-10-2010, 03:49 PM
I see Huff and Mitchell spliting time like Huff and Eugene did this year.

Im all for drafting Campbell if we trade out of the top 15. Taking him at 8 is just like taking DHB last year. We can land some more picks or players and get the guy Al wants.

619
03-10-2010, 04:35 PM
Where the hell is this "unseating Michael Huff" **** coming from? The guy had a few interceptions early in the season, but he couldn't stave off Hiram Eugene for part of the season. He was far from a success last season.

Now you're not giving Eugene enough credit. You could say that the reason Eugene has held onto a starting gig as long as he has might be in part due to a lack of better options, but not last season. Huff did remarkably well given the specific center-field type role he was asked to play on the majority of his snaps. Branch, as we know, had to play up at the line probably far more than he would've liked and the corners were always in single-man coverage. He really was the last line of defense for us, and he learned how to become a decent wrap-up tackler, all the while given us the pleasure of a few knockout blows in between. Huff is not the problem on defense and, because of that, there is zero reason to test out any more inexperienced DBs in platoon-like roles until they're capable. Mitchell is not an upgrade unless he miraculously developed upon his instinctual play to go with his blazing speed. Instincts were never in question for Huff, look at the college tape; it was more of trusting what he was seeing with him. Eugene was simply a better option for us on running downs, however, thatís not to say that Huff couldnít succeed in that role, just not with the way the defensive front seven was structured in front of him.

Also,



This is patently false. Campbell was actually quite a good pass protector at Maryland but largely failed to drive very well on running plays. Playing him on the right side would be pretty damn silly, he either becomes a decent starter on the left side or he's a total bust.

I'll leave this as is; we obviously have differing views on this and it's not likely to change. Iíve heard opinions ranging on either side, in the end Iím going to trust what Iíve seen. The bottom line is that it boils down to fundamentals and work ethic to improve upon said fundamentals. As of right now, there aren't any "red flags" as it pertains to his character that I'm aware of. If so, please let me know.


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Paranoidmoonduck
03-10-2010, 04:55 PM
- What I'm reading is that Huff is a decent talent who is far from well suited for the Oakland defense. And it is my opinion that Mays would likely be viewed as perfectly suited for the defense. I'm still not clear at which point switching between Huff, Eugene, and Mitchell starts to appear like an attractive option that couldn't be improved upon. Since Oakland decided to tender Eugene with a 2nd rounder, that probably places Mays a bit further down the line, but I'm not seeing the wealth of talent that would preclude the possibility of Mays.

- I know that the metrics on Bruce Campbell's run blocking were quite overwhelming, even he admits that most scouts feel that Campbell doesn't finish his blocks all that well or drive men off the ball. He has experience in a zone blocking system, so maybe his ability to pull and move will be attractive to Tom Cable (assuming he manages to keep the ZBS in 2010).

RaiderNation
03-10-2010, 05:32 PM
From earlier reports this off season they said we are likely to move back to a power blocking scheme and Campbell doesnt fit that. Okung, Bulaga, Davis or Williams are capable of playing LT in the new scheme if the reports are true

Paranoidmoonduck
03-10-2010, 05:40 PM
Okung or Davis would probably make the most sense in that case, but Okung will be gone and I'm not the biggest Davis fan in the world.

Part of me is curious what would happen if the Rams take a QB and the Lions decide they don't need a DT more than an OT and go for Okung. What if McCoy or Suh fell to 4 or 5. How loudly would you be yelling at your television "TRADE UP"?

NIN1984
03-11-2010, 11:42 AM
if Suh or McCoy is on the board a 4, what would we have to give the Skins?

Komp
03-14-2010, 12:17 PM
Jamarcus? Haha...

I'm not sure what it would take to move up into the top 5 from a top 10 pick. A 3rd rd pick plus #8?

Paranoidmoonduck
03-14-2010, 03:07 PM
Probably a 3rd rounder plus some sort of pick from the dwindling 2011 stack, probably a 3rd or 4th rounder. If Suh or McCoy were there, it'd be totally worth it.

NIN1984
03-21-2010, 12:20 PM
does anyone like Jimmy Clausen? I do. I think its a 1% chance we would draft him, but if we was on the board I would call JaMarcus and say your cut and draft Clausen. :)

LookItsAlDavis
03-21-2010, 12:27 PM
does anyone like Jimmy Clausen? I do. I think its a 1% chance we would draft him, but if we was on the board I would call JaMarcus and say your cut and draft Clausen. :)


I'm a ND fan and I hate Clausen.....

RaiderNation
03-21-2010, 12:57 PM
does anyone like Jimmy Clausen? I do. I think its a 1% chance we would draft him, but if we was on the board I would call JaMarcus and say your cut and draft Clausen. :)

I like Clausen more than Bradford. He is more of a for sure thing coming from a pro style offence and already have good size, arm strength and accuracy. He wont ever be Peyton Manning but he should be a good starter in the NFL. I doubt we cut JaMarcus though

619
03-21-2010, 01:27 PM
I could see us cutting JaMarcus right before the start of the season when Bruce is named the starting QB, kinda like what the Jags did a few years back with their former top pick, Leftwich.

LookItsAlDavis
03-21-2010, 04:05 PM
Yeah now would be the time to do it, with it being an uncapped year. I'm not quite ready to write him off completely yet though. I'll admit it has always taken me awhile to write off highly drafted players, from Brees to Harrington and Carr. As long as we keep both of them around, Bruce will for sure be working his ass off and Russell will be well, just chillin.

Dark Knight01
03-22-2010, 04:26 PM
I would have no problem drafting Clausen and cutting Juggs.

Then we would have QB's on the roster who have talent, are smart, and will work hard to be the best.

Clausen is a better QB right now than Juggs.....easily.