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RWills
03-10-2010, 01:00 PM
Anyone have any info on Rolando?

Alabama NT Terrence Cody reportedly weighed in at 6'4/348 at the Crimson Tide's Wednesday Pro Day.

Since weighing 370 at the Senior Bowl, Cody has dropped an impressive 22 pounds. He's shed six lbs. since the Combine, and still benched 225 pounds a whopping 32 times on Wednesday. Cody remains squarely in the first-round mix for a league placing more emphasis on nose tackles than ever.

Sniper
03-10-2010, 01:03 PM
Do you feel like linking or are you just going to plagiarize the whole article?

RWills
03-10-2010, 01:05 PM
I don't really feel like linking, I'll plagiarize the whole article, this isn't a college paper.

It was his agents (Alvin Keels) Twitter account

GoRavens
03-10-2010, 01:07 PM
Rolando ran a 4.75

Sniper
03-10-2010, 01:09 PM
I don't really feel like linking, I'll plagiarize the whole article, this isn't a college paper.

It was his agents (Alvin Keels) Twitter account

It doesn't matter whether or not it's a college paper. Did you write it? No. So give the credit where it belongs. Thanks.

wordofi
03-10-2010, 01:14 PM
Anyone have any info on Rolando?

Alabama NT Terrence Cody reportedly weighed in at 6'4/348 at the Crimson Tide's Wednesday Pro Day.

Since weighing 370 at the Senior Bowl, Cody has dropped an impressive 22 pounds. He's shed six lbs. since the Combine, and still benched 225 pounds a whopping 32 times on Wednesday. Cody remains squarely in the first-round mix for a league placing more emphasis on nose tackles than ever.

I think he'll be okay when he gets into an NFL training program. I think he can get down to 335 lbs.

Splat
03-10-2010, 01:17 PM
http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/10/arenas-pulls-out-of-alabama-pro-day/

TUSCALOOSA, Ala. — Alabama cornerback/punt return specialist Javier Arenas did not take part in the school’s pro day Wednesday because of a pulled hamstring he sustained while running the 40-yard dash at the recent NFL Scouting Combine (http://www.nfl.com/combine).

Arenas said he will hold an on-campus workout for NFL scouts March 30.

All 32 NFL teams are represented at the pro day, including Giants coach Tom Coughlin and Panthers coach John Fox.

Meanwhile, LB Rolando McClain, who did take part in drills at the combine, will participate today. McClain is considered the top linebacker available in the draft.

Lastly, NT Terrence Cody weighed in at 349, five pounds less than what he weighed at the combine and drastically less than the 370 pounds he weighed during the Senior Bowl.

FUNBUNCHER
03-10-2010, 01:27 PM
It's great that Cody is dropping weight, but as a Skins fan who witnessed former first rounder OT Mike Williams go from 410# in June to below 340# by September, Cody is also probably not actually gaining in strength during this weight loss drop, and I doubt he's working on his conditioning either.

Funny how money is the ultimate motivator.

mario
03-10-2010, 01:28 PM
http://all-access.cbssports.com/player.html?code=alab

LB drills right now

descendency
03-10-2010, 01:31 PM
It's great that Cody is dropping weight, but as a Skins fan who witnessed former first rounder OT Mike Williams go from 410# in June to below 340# by September, Cody is also probably not actually gaining in strength during this weight loss drop, and I doubt he's working on his conditioning either.

Funny how money is the ultimate motivator.

Any smart NFL team will contract him with the idea that he keep his weight under 350 lbs. Otherwise, they are stupid.

LizardState
03-10-2010, 01:33 PM
Anything < 355 lbs. for Cody & it's welcome back into the 1st round next month.

Note that 3 NFL teams franchise tagged their huge NTs last month, including Wilfork & Aubrayo Franklin. NTs who play the 2-gap, eat space & disrupt the opponents' pocket protection are going to be golden for 3-4 defenses for quite some time to come.

I can't find any data on Kareem Jackson, what was his 40 time? He was a standout at the Combine last wk. Anyone have anything on DE Brandon Deaderick?

P-L
03-10-2010, 01:37 PM
I don't really feel like linking, I'll plagiarize the whole article, this isn't a college paper.

It was his agents (Alvin Keels) Twitter account
Well, maybe you should bother to read the rules of this forum.

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yourfavestoner
03-10-2010, 01:44 PM
Anything < 355 lbs. for Cody & it's welcome back into the 1st round next month.

Note that 3 NFL teams franchise tagged their huge NTs last month, including Wilfork & Aubrayo Franklin. NTs who play the 2-gap, eat space & disrupt the opponents' pocket protection are going to be golden for 3-4 defenses for quite some time to come.

I can't find any data on Kareem Jackson, what was his 40 time? He was a standout at the Combine last wk. Anyone have anything on DE Brandon Deaderick?

Yup, I completely agree. I thought BB was going to scoop him up and develop him behind Wilfork for a year, but that's out. With that out, and his continual loss of weight, I think Miami is a real possibility for him.

The guy just can't win with some people. He's done everything that's been asked of him. What did you want him to do, not lose weight? Forget that he came to Alabama at over 400 pounds and has been steadily losing weight since he got there.

FUNBUNCHER
03-10-2010, 01:59 PM
Well, maybe you should bother to read the rules of this forum.

He said the info came from an agent's twitter account.

DiG
03-10-2010, 02:01 PM
Rolando with a 4.74 40 yard dash per PFT.

FUNBUNCHER
03-10-2010, 02:04 PM
Rolando with a 4.74 40 yard dash per PFT.

If that time is confirmed by another source, McClain proved he's fast enough.

Still thought he'd struggle to break 4.75 though.
His physical dimensions put him over Weatherspoon as the top 43 ILB prospect, but his lack of speed will make him a liability in coverage.

DiG
03-10-2010, 02:05 PM
confirmed by rotoworld. a 4.71 and a 4.74.

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=5712&line=169598&spln=1

thetedginnshow
03-10-2010, 02:10 PM
If that time is confirmed by another source, McClain proved he's fast enough.

Still thought he'd struggle to break 4.75 though.
His physical dimensions put him over Weatherspoon as the top 43 ILB prospect, but his lack of speed will make him a liability in coverage.

Is that fast enough? I would think that would drop him out of the first round.

DiG
03-10-2010, 02:11 PM
Is that fast enough? I would think that would drop him out of the first round.

4.71 is plenty fast for a 3-4 MIKE. he should stay in the mid first range. i cant imagine him falling past NE or GB at the absolute latest.

bigbluedefense
03-10-2010, 02:14 PM
4.75 for a pro day 40?

Thats slow. Thats the reason why he ditched the combine. His official 40 at the combine wouldve been a 4.8 something.

Everyone knows your pro day 40s are almost always a good tenth of a second faster than what you run at the combine.

Had he ran at the combine and put up a 4.85, he wouldve tanked in the draft. And he knew it, thats why he waited until his pro day where he can manufacture a better time.

I still think he's slow. I'm rating Spoon ahead of him in a 4-3 scheme.

FUNBUNCHER
03-10-2010, 02:18 PM
Because McClain is so instinctive and plays so smart from the ILB position, a sub 4.75 is more than fast enough; his 'head' allows him to play fast.

But his lack of pure straight line speed will hurt him in a 43 scheme like the one the BEars and Giants run, because he'll be exposed in coverage against faster TEs.

keylime_5
03-10-2010, 02:20 PM
4.71 is slow for a Mike linebacker? since when? Laurinaitis and Maualuga both ran nearly 4.9. Anything in the 4.6 - 4.7 range is good for a middle linebacker, especially a 250+ lb. guy. I was afraid McClain would run a 4.8 or worse and hurt his draft stock to late first round.

DiG
03-10-2010, 02:21 PM
I still think he's slow. I'm rating Spoon ahead of him in a 4-3 scheme.

i didnt know anyone ever had mclain over spoon in a 4-3 scheme. for me, mclains always been a 3-4 ILB prospect.

Addict
03-10-2010, 02:21 PM
a 4.7 isn't bad for a 3-4 mike. He won't fit in a tampa 4-3, but that's not what he was hoping to show.

This time doesn't do much for him. Just kinda meh's him.

wonderbredd24
03-10-2010, 02:23 PM
Even if you figure it's a 4.8-4.9, I personally think he's fine.

His game is all about intangibles, leadership, and his immense physical presence. He plays faster than he times and he is huge for a linebacker. Absolutely perfect fit for a 3-4 team in need of a TED or a 4-3 where the MLB is limited to the A and B gaps

JFLO
03-10-2010, 02:24 PM
McClain is dropping, not heavily but is dropping nonetheless.

I still like him more than Weatherspoon, but I have to say that it's not by much. Weatherspoon is backing up his crazy production with real good workouts and is showing he can control a locker room if needed. A legitimate Top 15-20 player right now.

keylime_5
03-10-2010, 02:27 PM
Brian Cushing ran a 4.79.

Robert Ayers ran 4.89 and his stock soared after the combine/pro day.

RWills
03-10-2010, 02:28 PM
As high as Denver as low as Arizona

Addict
03-10-2010, 02:28 PM
Brian Cushing ran a 4.79.

outside linebacker.

wonderbredd24
03-10-2010, 02:28 PM
McClain is dropping, not heavily but is dropping nonetheless.

I still like him more than Weatherspoon, but I have to say that it's not by much. Weatherspoon is backing up his crazy production with real good workouts and is showing he can control a locker room if needed. A legitimate Top 15-20 player right now.

Other than the fact they both play a form of linebacker, I don't see why people keep comparing these two players.

Weatherspoon is a pure 4-3 LB and a prototypical WILL while McClain is a prototype TED in the 3-4.

It is unlikely any of the teams interested in one will have any interest in the other

wonderbredd24
03-10-2010, 02:30 PM
Brian Cushing ran a 4.79.

Robert Ayers ran 4.89 and his stock soared after the combine/pro day.

And didn't Robert Ayers weigh close to 280? Plus, I never understood why Ayers was so highly ranked. The guy barely did anything in college.

McClain's stock is based on tape, which is how it should be.

keylime_5
03-10-2010, 02:31 PM
outside linebacker.

in a lot of systems you need to be faster to play OLB than MLB.

keylime_5
03-10-2010, 02:32 PM
Other than the fact they both play a form of linebacker, I don't see why people keep comparing these two players.

Weatherspoon is a pure 4-3 LB and a prototypical WILL while McClain is a prototype TED in the 3-4.

It is unlikely any of the teams interested in one will have any interest in the other

yes, Weatherspoon is a WLB in a 4-3 and McClain a MLB or an ILB in a 3-4. apples and oranges.

wonderbredd24
03-10-2010, 02:33 PM
in a lot of systems you need to be faster to play OLB than MLB.

They're linebackers. Who really cares about the 40? I'd be far more interested in their 10, 20, and 3 cone. If memory serves, despite an underwhelming 40, Laurinaitis had the fastest 3 cone in his draft for inside linebackers

FUNBUNCHER
03-10-2010, 02:46 PM
Brian Cushing ran a 4.79.

Robert Ayers ran 4.89 and his stock soared after the combine/pro day.

That 4.79 was an 'official' combine #, many teams had him running in the 4.6s. Didn't he run even faster at his pro day??

EDIT:

Keylime, Weatherspoon is projected at MLB in a 43 by many teams. Urlacher was scouted as an OLB. Nice how that worked out for him, huh??

RealityCheck
03-10-2010, 02:48 PM
I think it's safe to say Cody is a 1st round pick now.

FUNBUNCHER
03-10-2010, 02:50 PM
I think it's safe to say Cody is a 1st round pick now.

To which team(s)??

keylime_5
03-10-2010, 02:51 PM
i haven't heard any teams looking for 'Spoon to fill their MIKE, he's an ideal WILL......not saying he can't/won't play MLB, but I think he's a much better fit outside.

mario
03-10-2010, 02:52 PM
To which team(s)??
Maybe Saints?

keylime_5
03-10-2010, 02:53 PM
I think it's safe to say Cody is a 1st round pick now.

He's a one dimensional player who is only a nose in a 3-4 and has guys like Suh, McCoy, Williams, and Odrick who are going to get drafted before he does. Not many Dts who can't pass rush at all go in the first, especially when there is such a deep DT class.

FUNBUNCHER
03-10-2010, 02:56 PM
i haven't heard any teams looking for 'Spoon to fill their MIKE, he's an ideal WILL......not saying he can't/won't play MLB, but I think he's a much better fit outside.

I think Spoon would be awesome in the middle for the Giants, and believe he's being given serious consideration as their first pick.

RealityCheck
03-10-2010, 02:58 PM
To which team(s)??
San Diego, San Diego, San Diego, San Diego.

Did I say San Diego?

Maybe Dallas... and San Diego.

keylime_5
03-10-2010, 03:06 PM
he'd be a good pick for the chargers.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-10-2010, 03:08 PM
Brian Cushing ran a 4.79.

Robert Ayers ran 4.89 and his stock soared after the combine/pro day.

Cushing ran a 4.64 and Ayers ran a 4.77.

Finnegans Wake
03-10-2010, 03:11 PM
If McClain falls to 1.18, no way he gets past the Steelers.

Thank you.

wonderbredd24
03-10-2010, 03:22 PM
I think it's safe to say Cody is a 1st round pick now.

Is this based on anything but the fact he's lost weight?

I imagine there'd be a line of people on this board who would lose 22lbs with the help of a personal trainer and dietician for the sake of millions of dollars.

I'm not saying he won't go in round 1, but is this response purely based on weight loss?

yourfavestoner
03-10-2010, 03:34 PM
Is this based on anything but the fact he's lost weight?

I imagine there'd be a line of people on this board who would lose 22lbs with the help of a personal trainer and dietician for the sake of millions of dollars.

I'm not saying he won't go in round 1, but is this response purely based on weight loss?

It has much more to do with position value. He plays the most important position in a defensive scheme that half the league now employs.

A few years ago, when the league was almost exclusively 4-3 teams, 'tweener DE/OLBs weren't even selected in the first round. Now, they're some of the most coveted players in the entire draft.

Also, it's not like he's just now losing weight. He came to Alabama at over 400 lbs, so his weight loss total is likely along the lines of 50-75 pounds.

keylime_5
03-10-2010, 03:54 PM
Cushing ran a 4.64 and Ayers ran a 4.77.

unofficially hand timed. Taylor Mays ran a 4.24 too. NFL.com even lists Ayers' forty as 4.9 and Cushing's as 4.74.

kwilk103
03-10-2010, 03:55 PM
http://blog.al.com/tide-source/2010/03/tides_mcclain_discloses_that_h.html


mccalin reveals he has chrons disease and has had it since hs

Stranger
03-10-2010, 03:58 PM
So I generally look at this guy's twitter for information and he seems to think McClain 'dogs' it a lot, can anybody that has watched Alabama regularly or has scouted Rolando give me their view.

http://twitter.com/movethesticks

RT @ATLGreg1: Think Rolando is probably a guy that plays a little faster in pads than his time will suggest.> When he's not dogging it

To reset my issues with McClain--too many loaf plays, not explosive striker, doesn't play to his size, limited range..he is big/instinctive

RT @TheSnideMan: Do u think Saban would have him out there loafing?>> You tell me http://bit.ly/aq72ps

RT @JAguirre2: uhhhh what was he supposed to do on that play? > Hustle?? There were 5 other plays in that game alone where he loafs

He seems to give up in the video once the runner gets to the edge.

Paranoidmoonduck
03-10-2010, 04:00 PM
unofficially hand timed. Taylor Mays ran a 4.24 too. NFL.com even lists Ayers' forty as 4.9 and Cushing's as 4.74.

Fair enough, I was looking at different sources.

Sportycliche
03-10-2010, 04:04 PM
I am not buying the "dogging it" or "loafing" comments, on that run he cuts inside and then when he sees reverse tries to get an angle on him (and ends up running into one of his own players) and then you don't see him back in the picture until Zachary is basically down the field. Perhaps I am buying too much into the comments made by Nick Saban and his teammates, but McClain seems passionate about the game, I just don't see it...


On that article about McClain having Crohn's disease, they mention Rolando running a 4.6 40.

vidae
03-10-2010, 04:08 PM
he'd be a good pick for the chargers.

So would someone to run the football.

BaLLiN
03-10-2010, 04:11 PM
Hes still a lock for the top 15 now imo

villagewarrior
03-10-2010, 04:13 PM
Wouldn't matter to me whether McClain ran a 4.9, the proof is in the pudding, and on the field, McClain is a very good football player and whoever ends up with him is getting a very good player.

wonderbredd24
03-10-2010, 04:14 PM
It has much more to do with position value. He plays the most important position in a defensive scheme that half the league now employs.

A few years ago, when the league was almost exclusively 4-3 teams, 'tweener DE/OLBs weren't even selected in the first round. Now, they're some of the most coveted players in the entire draft.

Also, it's not like he's just now losing weight. He came to Alabama at over 400 lbs, so his weight loss total is likely along the lines of 50-75 pounds.

I'm well aware of the value of a nose tackle, but if he weighed over 400lbs when he got to Alabama, I'm MORE afraid to draft him. Anyone can lose weight for the sake of millions of dollars. Will he stay that way? Hard to say

CC.SD
03-10-2010, 04:20 PM
4.75 at the combine would have raised a few eyebrows, but at a pro day it's not a good sign. McClain could drop further than expected easily now.

and Cody is where he's been at for a while, kind of sitting around borderline first due to various conditioning red flags with the chance that a needy 3-4 team snags him at any point.

thetedginnshow
03-10-2010, 04:35 PM
4.71 is slow for a Mike linebacker? since when? Laurinaitis and Maualuga both ran nearly 4.9. Anything in the 4.6 - 4.7 range is good for a middle linebacker, especially a 250+ lb. guy. I was afraid McClain would run a 4.8 or worse and hurt his draft stock to late first round.

lol

Maualuga ran a 4.81 with a hamstring injury at the combine and Laurinaitis a 4.76. But at their pro days, Rey ran a 4.58 and Laurinaitis a 4.72. Granted these guys went in the second round so I don't know how good of an argument that presents anyway (at least to what I said).

Stranger
03-10-2010, 04:35 PM
I am not buying the "dogging it" or "loafing" comments, on that run he cuts inside and then when he sees reverse tries to get an angle on him (and ends up running into one of his own players) and then you don't see him back in the picture until Zachary is basically down the field. Perhaps I am buying too much into the comments made by Nick Saban and his teammates, but McClain seems passionate about the game, I just don't see it...


On that article about McClain having Crohn's disease, they mention Rolando running a 4.6 40.

Dunno where they got the 4.6, probably from some friendly stop watches.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSE6qgxCqvs&feature=related

You see a bit more at the start of this video. Don't know if I would call that dogging, he is trying to get through traffic but it never looks like he is going full speed. Was just interested if anyone had noticed anything like that before when they watched him, since it's the first report I have that calls into question his motor.

yourfavestoner
03-10-2010, 04:37 PM
Not going full speed isn't necessarily a bad thing from a linebacker.

Ernie Sims goes full speed on every play. It usually results in him overrunning the play and leaving gaping huge cutback lanes.

wonderbredd24
03-10-2010, 04:38 PM
lol

Maualuga ran a 4.81 with a hamstring injury at the combine and Laurinaitis a 4.76. But at their pro days, Rey ran a 4.58 and Laurinaitis a 4.72. Granted these guys went in the second round so I don't know how good of an argument that presents anyway (at least to what I said).

Maualuga did not have a hamstring injury at the combine. The dude intentionally pulled up lame at the end because he KNEW he was slow.

Again, the 40 is almost meaningless for this position. Laurinaitis killed the 3 cone which is far more important, because linebackers are all about instincts and ability to react and change direction quickly. If a linebacker is running 40 yards, something bad happened

Splat
03-10-2010, 04:42 PM
McClain can just go a head and fall to the Chiefs second round pick...:)

Hines
03-10-2010, 04:42 PM
I wonder how much the Crohn's disease will drop McClain. I'd take him at 18, though.

Stranger
03-10-2010, 04:45 PM
Not going full speed isn't necessarily a bad thing from a linebacker.

Ernie Sims goes full speed on every play. It usually results in him overrunning the play and leaving gaping huge cutback lanes.

But in this case the RB has hit the outside and McClain looks like he is jogging after him. He is so far out of it at the end the guy still has a cutback lane.

Anyway not trying to hate on the guy, I would love him on the Cardinals. Just interested to see if there is any truth to the guys claims.

Splat
03-10-2010, 04:47 PM
I wonder how much the Crohn's disease will drop McClain. I'd take him at 18, though.

Maybe I'm a moron but I don't even know what it is I know David Garrard has it but I don't know how it would affect his play?

LizardState
03-10-2010, 04:49 PM
San Diego, San Diego, San Diego, San Diego.

Did I say San Diego?

Maybe Dallas... and San Diego.

No way he drops past Dallas. And there's the SD Bolts one pick after, hmmmm.

Cowboys fans are hoping for a solid 2-gap NG guy to replace Ratliff so he can move to DE & wreak havoc. Ratliff on the left DE with Ware behind him & a young, no real injury history Terrence Cody in the middle -- that's almost unfair.

Hines
03-10-2010, 04:50 PM
Maybe I'm a moron but I don't even know what it is I know David Garrard has it but I don't know how it would affect his play?

http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/crohns/

LizardState
03-10-2010, 04:56 PM
Hes still a lock for the top 15 now imo

Interesting number for McClain to land, PFW's mock has him exactly there, #15 to the NY Giants, Sensible pick, they released Pierce not too long ago too......that's about right for him all things considered, unless KC is really still coveting him greatly.

That's the p/o of the 1st rd. after the superstar gamechangers have gone in the top 5-8 picks & we're into the team needs trump BFA segment.

Splat
03-10-2010, 04:58 PM
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/crohns/

That sucks.

vidae
03-10-2010, 04:58 PM
I'm not sure if KC ever did covet him period.. it was mostly me and my man crush.

FUNBUNCHER
03-10-2010, 05:16 PM
McClain isn't Urlacher and he's gonna look BUST-y if he plays MLB for the Giants.

yourfavestoner
03-10-2010, 05:30 PM
McClain isn't Urlacher and he's gonna look BUST-y if he plays MLB for the Giants.

If slow ass Antonio Pierce can be an effective MLB for the Giants, then McClain can be.

Not all 4-3 teams run Tampa Two, with the MLB bailing into deep third coverage. There is such a thing as a thumper MLB in a 4-3 scheme.

Stranger
03-10-2010, 05:32 PM
If slow ass Antonio Pierce can be an effective MLB for the Giants, then McClain can be.

Not all 4-3 teams run Tampa Two, with the MLB bailing into deep third coverage. There is such a thing as a thumper MLB in a 4-3 scheme.

Exactly, I think McClain would have been great for the Giants scheme of the last few years. The question is what is Fewell going to run this year though, he seems like a Tampa Two guy.

PossibleCabbage
03-10-2010, 05:42 PM
Note that 3 NFL teams franchise tagged their huge NTs last month, including Wilfork & Aubrayo Franklin. NTs who play the 2-gap, eat space & disrupt the opponents' pocket protection are going to be golden for 3-4 defenses for quite some time to come.

Well, certainly part of this has to be due to the fact that the franchise number for defensive tackles is comparatively low. It's significantly cheaper to franchise a defensive tackle or a safety than it is to franchise a WR or a DE. For the 2010 season the franchise number for DTs was only $7 million, which is cheaper than the franchise number for every other position except Safety ($6.5 million), Tight End ($5.9 million), and Punter/Kicker ($2.8 million). By comparison it costs $16.4 million to franchise a QB, $12.4 million to franchise a DE, $10.7 to franchise an offensive lineman, and $9.7 million to franchise a linebacker.

But on the other hand, it's pretty much going to cost you the same to sign any non-QB player that you draft in a given slot in the draft (QBs get paid slightly more). So while the free agent DT you could sign is going to be generally significantly cheaper than the free agent DE you could sign, the DT you draft in the nth slot isn't going to be any cheaper than the DE you draft in the nth slot.

So I would say that thinking that big DTs are going to be so much in demand because of all of the franchise tags placed on them is slightly overstating their value. There's a significant economic reason to tag DTs when you can, but there's not really an economic incentive to draft DTs over any other position at a given slot. In fact, because DTs tend to get paid less than other positions in their second and third contracts, there may actually be an economic disincentive to draft DTs over other positions.

FUNBUNCHER
03-10-2010, 05:50 PM
If slow ass Antonio Pierce can be an effective MLB for the Giants, then McClain can be.

Not all 4-3 teams run Tampa Two, with the MLB bailing into deep third coverage. There is such a thing as a thumper MLB in a 4-3 scheme.

Um, slow ass Antonio Pierce just got cut.

I still believe McClain turns out to be a liability in coverage in a 43.

Splat
03-10-2010, 05:56 PM
Um, slow ass Antonio Pierce just got cut.

Because he is older and banged up.

yourfavestoner
03-10-2010, 06:12 PM
Um, slow ass Antonio Pierce just got cut.

I still believe McClain turns out to be a liability in coverage in a 43.

I'm aware of that. It doesn't change the fact that his slow ass was still very productive for them 4 out of the 5 years he was there.

Stranger
03-10-2010, 06:27 PM
Thought it was worth putting up Jeremiah's follow up tweet.

last thought on McClain, looking at my notes, the games where I questioned effort were all after he says he injured his hammy- makes sense

superman
03-10-2010, 06:39 PM
4.75 does not hurt an inside backer like him at all. especially since he's big with good instincts. that's what he was projected to run.

OneToughGame
03-10-2010, 06:45 PM
No one questions Tatupu's ability to cover and he isn't fast at all.

Iamcanadian
03-10-2010, 06:46 PM
Anything < 355 lbs. for Cody & it's welcome back into the 1st round next month.

Note that 3 NFL teams franchise tagged their huge NTs last month, including Wilfork & Aubrayo Franklin. NTs who play the 2-gap, eat space & disrupt the opponents' pocket protection are going to be golden for 3-4 defenses for quite some time to come.

I can't find any data on Kareem Jackson, what was his 40 time? He was a standout at the Combine last wk. Anyone have anything on DE Brandon Deaderick?

He will never see round 1. As soon as he receives his 1st pay check he'll gain at least 20lbs and no team is going to invest 1st round money in a guy who has never made a serious effort to get into shape. Some team will take a flyer in round 2 depending on who else is available but he could easily slipe to early round 3.

superman
03-10-2010, 06:48 PM
He will never see round 1. As soon as he receives his 1st pay check he'll gain at least 20lbs and no team is going to invest 1st round money in a guy who has never made a serious effort to get into shape. Some team will take a flyer in round 2 depending on who else is available but he could easily slipe to early round 3.

eh same was said about andre smith

Iamcanadian
03-10-2010, 07:51 PM
eh same was said about andre smith

No it wasn't. Smith was probably the top talent in last year's draft but made a few bad errors in judgment at the combine. He is 6'4", 332 lbs. and played in college at that weight. He wasn't a 400lber who got down to playing between 350lbs and 370lbs depending on when you weighed him. Cody could likely be a star at 325-335lbs but it just isn't in his nature to get into playing shape. Pro ball isn't like playing in college, he is going to come up against tough, strong interior linemen who spend their whole year getting into shape and he is going to be dominated by a lot of them especially in the 2nd half of games. By the 2nd half of a pro football game, he will be gasping for breath if a team actually starts him. My guess is that he rides the bench for at least 2 years as the team tries to get him to become a pro similar to Jean-Gillis for the Eagles another fat players who dropped on draft day because he wouldn't get into playing shape. Mockers are completely kidding themselves if they think a pro team will invest 1st round money on a guy who has shown little interest all his life in taking care of himself.

tolnaballa
03-10-2010, 07:52 PM
Rolando McClain posted some pretty good time IMO 4.68 and 4.69.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/10/top-brass-check-out-top-talent-at-alabama-pro-day/

bigfreak314
03-10-2010, 07:58 PM
Rolando McClain posted some pretty good time IMO 4.68 and 4.69.

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/03/10/top-brass-check-out-top-talent-at-alabama-pro-day/


T Cody only benched 225 only 22 times??

Iamcanadian
03-10-2010, 08:07 PM
McClain can only drop if teams look down on him having Crohn's desease otherwise he is a solid 12-18 pick maybe even higher.

bigbluedefense
03-11-2010, 04:58 AM
I'm not questioning whether or not he's going to be a good player, I love the guy and think he's going to be a solid pro, but I think he's starting to become horrible value in the 1st round.

i've been saying it forever, I think he's no different from Brandon Spikes yet he's graded a whole round earlier than Spikes is. A 4.75 at a pro day is very slow. He wouldve pulled up a 4.85 at the combine, maybe even worse with that track.

He knew it, that's why he didn't run there. His stock would plummet. Add in Crohn's disease, and this is a risky investment. Yes, Garrard has it, but he's a qb. Qb's don't have to be athletic to succeed. Linebacker is a completely different beast.

If Spikes runs the same time at his Pro day, they should be graded equally. I see nothing in McClain that makes me believe he's that much better than Spikes.

Put on Spikes junior year tape, and you see a better player than McClain.

I won't mind McClain on the Giants, but I prefer Spoon. McClain would be nice on the Giants if we run the same scheme we ran under Spags, but under Fewell in what probably will be a Tampa 2 variation...no thank you. I want Spoon.

I think Spoon would be great inside in a 4-3 regardless of scheme anyway. He'd have a Jon Beason like career inside.

Also the Rey Maluaga comparison is unfair. Yes, Rey ran a 4.8 at the combine, but ran a much faster time at his pro day. And if you put on tape of Rey, you can see that he's definitely a much faster player than McClain. Rey plays faster, just put on the tape and compare their game speed.

Spikes and McClain have the same game speed, but Spikes played faster his junior year. An injury really hurt Spikes this year. But put on Spikes junior year tape and tell me he's slower than McClain. No way.

Laurenitis plays faster too.

superman
03-11-2010, 09:31 AM
No it wasn't. Smith was probably the top talent in last year's draft but made a few bad errors in judgment at the combine. He is 6'4", 332 lbs. and played in college at that weight. He wasn't a 400lber who got down to playing between 350lbs and 370lbs depending on when you weighed him. Cody could likely be a star at 325-335lbs but it just isn't in his nature to get into playing shape. Pro ball isn't like playing in college, he is going to come up against tough, strong interior linemen who spend their whole year getting into shape and he is going to be dominated by a lot of them especially in the 2nd half of games. By the 2nd half of a pro football game, he will be gasping for breath if a team actually starts him. My guess is that he rides the bench for at least 2 years as the team tries to get him to become a pro similar to Jean-Gillis for the Eagles another fat players who dropped on draft day because he wouldn't get into playing shape. Mockers are completely kidding themselves if they think a pro team will invest 1st round money on a guy who has shown little interest all his life in taking care of himself.

there were rumors at one point that smith's weight had ballooned to 380. he also has a weight clause in his contract. he's in the same boat people view cody. i wouldn't take cody early in the first. but if i'm a 3-4 team picking late, it's not much of a reach. i pray he falls to fins in 2nd though.

Supporting Caste
03-11-2010, 09:47 AM
So McClain has 4.8 combine speed.

Nothing unexpected there.

yourfavestoner
03-11-2010, 10:02 AM
I'm not questioning whether or not he's going to be a good player, I love the guy and think he's going to be a solid pro, but I think he's starting to become horrible value in the 1st round.

i've been saying it forever, I think he's no different from Brandon Spikes yet he's graded a whole round earlier than Spikes is. A 4.75 at a pro day is very slow. He wouldve pulled up a 4.85 at the combine, maybe even worse with that track.

He knew it, that's why he didn't run there. His stock would plummet. Add in Crohn's disease, and this is a risky investment. Yes, Garrard has it, but he's a qb. Qb's don't have to be athletic to succeed. Linebacker is a completely different beast.

If Spikes runs the same time at his Pro day, they should be graded equally. I see nothing in McClain that makes me believe he's that much better than Spikes.

Put on Spikes junior year tape, and you see a better player than McClain.

I won't mind McClain on the Giants, but I prefer Spoon. McClain would be nice on the Giants if we run the same scheme we ran under Spags, but under Fewell in what probably will be a Tampa 2 variation...no thank you. I want Spoon.

I think Spoon would be great inside in a 4-3 regardless of scheme anyway. He'd have a Jon Beason like career inside.

Also the Rey Maluaga comparison is unfair. Yes, Rey ran a 4.8 at the combine, but ran a much faster time at his pro day. And if you put on tape of Rey, you can see that he's definitely a much faster player than McClain. Rey plays faster, just put on the tape and compare their game speed.

Spikes and McClain have the same game speed, but Spikes played faster his junior year. An injury really hurt Spikes this year. But put on Spikes junior year tape and tell me he's slower than McClain. No way.

Laurenitis plays faster too.

I love you.

Supporting Caste
03-11-2010, 10:45 AM
I think that the idea of McClain being in the same tier as guys like Rey and Laurinaitis is laughable. And it is.

bigbluedefense
03-11-2010, 12:35 PM
I love you.

Awww papito <3 :p

You know what this double standard reminds me of? The double standard between Harvin and Maclin last year. Both players needed to learn the route tree, yet only Harvin was being knocked for it because for some illogical reason, everyone concluded that Maclin could learn it but it would be harder for Harvin to learn it, even though they both had no experience with it.

I'm just sitting back thinking Huh? How does that make sense, and why is 1 guy getting knocked for something but the other guy is not? This is the exact same scenario. Spikes is getting punished for the same thing that McClain is getting a pass for.

Sniper
03-11-2010, 03:24 PM
I think that the idea of McClain being in the same tier as guys like Rey and Laurinaitis is laughable. And it is.

You're right. No one, and I mean, no one, can make tackles 10+ yards downfield like Laurinaitis can.

KaneMarko
03-11-2010, 03:51 PM
Wouldn't matter to me whether McClain ran a 4.9, the proof is in the pudding, and on the field, McClain is a very good football player and whoever ends up with him is getting a very good player.


The film basically states that McClain is a hellified football player and barring injuries has a great chance of being a great LB in the NFL. My thinking is that if you had McClain as a top 10 prospect, his numbers at the workout should not have changed that any.

Babylon
03-11-2010, 04:25 PM
Rolando with a 4.74 40 yard dash per PFT.

That knocks him down a bit i think, espcially in the context of being a top 10 pick. That sort of puts him in the Rey Mauuluga, James Laurinaitis category as far as athletes goes.

I still think he's a first round pick just not as early as first thought.

Didnt see the other posts that mention the same thing, that's my bad. I'll stick to my statement.

Saints-Tigers
03-11-2010, 04:34 PM
Thing is, even if McClain is "only" the athletes they are, he's great at shedding blocks(unlike Maualuga and especially Laurenitis) and he isn't a headcase like Rey.

I don't think McClain is overrated, I think Spikes is underrated.... ILBs are underrated every year and after the year ends, teams end up regretting passing on them.

UncleHulka
03-20-2010, 07:34 PM
So would someone to run the football.

True enough.

But I don't know if any RB will excell in that offense, anyway. Incidently... taking their already prolific offense into consideration, it could be considered more prudent to prioritize their draft strategery in, perhaps, greatly lowering their 10 ypc given up (I keed, I keed) over taking Mathews in an effort to gain one third ypc over whatever other RB they might find in the second or third. The trade up into the second makes it interesting, however. Would you take the chance of drafting Mathews hoping that Cody is still there at 40?

Of course, this is all moot, as A.J. Smith having two years prior acquiring the dreaded Schramm/Beathard Disease will once again overthink (that is to say, underthink) the situation and overdraft a player at a position of lesser need, probably cornerback. Welcome to San Diego, Mr. McCourtey. You may not have the physical skills, but we love your character. :rolleyes:

UncleHulka
03-20-2010, 07:47 PM
T Cody only benched 225 only 22 times??
Well, to be fair, he was probably hungry. And teh Baconator's arms are about 12 feet long.

Splat
03-21-2010, 10:01 AM
Cody making the rounds with 3-4 teams (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/03/21/cody-making-the-rounds-with-3-4-teams/)

Brown Leader
03-21-2010, 12:37 PM
No it wasn't. Smith was probably the top talent in last year's draft but made a few bad errors in judgment at the combine. He is 6'4", 332 lbs. and played in college at that weight. He wasn't a 400lber who got down to playing between 350lbs and 370lbs depending on when you weighed him. Cody could likely be a star at 325-335lbs but it just isn't in his nature to get into playing shape. Pro ball isn't like playing in college, he is going to come up against tough, strong interior linemen who spend their whole year getting into shape and he is going to be dominated by a lot of them especially in the 2nd half of games. By the 2nd half of a pro football game, he will be gasping for breath if a team actually starts him. My guess is that he rides the bench for at least 2 years as the team tries to get him to become a pro similar to Jean-Gillis for the Eagles another fat players who dropped on draft day because he wouldn't get into playing shape. Mockers are completely kidding themselves if they think a pro team will invest 1st round money on a guy who has shown little interest all his life in taking care of himself.

Cody was still a dominant player and a strong prospect even with the weight. He always will be a 2 down player regardless of his actual size. Now that this game is going to be his profession he's showing teams that he could be attentive to his weight, which is what is expected at this time. So what if he gains 20lbs after his signing, as long as he's ready to play come Sept. J.Williams, Hampton, Wilfork-long careers not looking pretty. I think he'll fill the role he's asked to by any 34 team.

steelernation77
03-21-2010, 01:29 PM
Well, maybe you should bother to read the rules of this forum.

Posting information from an agent without linking is not really plagiarism. The information is meant to be disseminated, it's like a press release. Newspapers (especially bad ones) will write information from releases all the time without citing that its from a release. Cody's agent doesn't really care, just so long as the information gets spread.

I do understand the need for linking so that people don't just post fabricated information, however.