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K Train
03-15-2010, 10:30 PM
Take it easy on me

St Louis- Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame

They need a face of the franchise, the Sam Bradford rumors HAVE to be a smokescreen, they wouldnt be that stupid would they?

Detroit- Russel Okung OT Oklahoma State

Teams are waking up that the DTs might not have the value here, they need a LT.....imo okung is not as good as oher was coming out and they passed on oher. Well now they have to pay for it with another 30+ million guaranteed to keep stafford upright.

Tampa- Ndamukong Suh DT Nebraska

Tampa has always been about defense, They are thrilled to get suh at this pick, he is an instant upgrade and will be a difference maker.

Washington- Bryan Bulaga OT Iowa

They need oline and believe it or not this is where bulagas value is going to fall, hes a premier talent no doubt in my mind.

Kansas City- Gerald Mccoy DT Oklahoma

Seems tough to pass on him since he is a prototype 34 end and was often projected to be long gone by now. they can trade dorsey now and have 2 STUD ends with tyson jackson and gerald mccoy

Seattle - Sam Bradford QB Oklahoma

They need a Qb but Bradford has no value here. The seahawks have their answer to alex smith lol

Cleveland- Eric Berry S Tennesse
They need secondary, Haden disappointed them and they are shocked to see berry…slam dunk pick imo

Oakland- Bruce Campbell OT Maryland

Tough pick, i think it comes down to campbell, mays and JPP. Im going with campbell, al davis is thinking about him right now as we speak

Buffalo- Anthony Davis OT Rutgers

they need oline no doubts, anthony davis could have a oher-like fall cause of him being "lazy" but the bills almost need to walk out of the first with a LT


Jacksonville- Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State

I have mixed feeling about Bryant…adarius bowman was a first round prospect too and he cant even land in the CFL. Bryant is not calvin Johnson, hes not andre Johnson, I don’t even think hes a Michael crabtree. Hes a name more than an elite prospect. The jags cant possibly take tebow here at this point

Denver- Rolando Mcclain MLB Bama

He will be a stud in the middle....they signed green and jamaal williams. Hes perfect for the middle as the still make the transition to a 34

Miami- Terrence Cody NT Bama

They have some great young talent on the dline. Langford, merling, cody….awesome line, perfect 34 line. theres rumors that cody wont make it pass the dolphins lately, i think this man has value in the first round.

San Francisco- Joe Haden CB Florida

They love to see him here, someone to team up with Nate Clements and give them 2 great corners to match teams like AZ and their passing attack

Seattle- Taylor Mays SS USC

Carrol gets his boy, thank god i am so glad hes off the board already

New York Giants- Sean Weatherspoon OLB Mizzou

Sintim and Weatherspoon=awesome. spoon has been SKYROCKETING lately

Tennessee- Dan Williams DT Tennessee

As they search for haynesworths replacement they find themselves with dan Williams who can be a disruptor in the middle of a 43 line.

San Francisco – Trent Williams OT Oklahoma

Gaping hole at RT, hes a great RT
.

Pittsburgh- Earl Thomas S Texas

Earl Thomas and Polamalu could be legendary. Not the elite prospect berry is, but as close as you can get.

Atlanta- Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida

Perfect for them to put opposite Abraham. Abraham, jerry, bump Anderson to DT and JPP on the end they have a dline that will be a handful….he could be long gone by now, but him being dumb and a workout warrior made him fall

Houston- CJ Spiller RB clemson

The run game suffered when slaton went down. Hes a part time back anyway and brown, moats and the other guy are nothing more than backups. Spiller will dominate in the zone blocking scheme they run.

Cincinnati- Carlos Dunlap DE FLorida

Dunlap has character concerns, desire concerns….but that’s never been a problem for the Bengals year in and year out. Odoms injury is pretty serious, dunlap gives them depth on a pretty solid defense

New England- Brandon Graham OLB Michigan

This pick pains me, but it’s a slam dunk choice if hes there

Green Bay- Kyle Wilson CB Boise state
They are old at corner, Wilson is the consenus #2 corner and has value right here….all the oline is pretty much depleted in the first round


Philadelphia- Mike Iupati G Idaho

The shawn Andrews era has ended, hes the best guard prospect since….well, shawn andrews

Baltimore- Jermaine Greshem TE Oklahoma

Heap is old, they want to get flacco some more weapons. Greshem is a terrific pass catching TE.

Arizona- Sergio Kindle OLB Texas

Clark Haggans is old and they lost dansby…best 34 OLB left on the board

New York Jets - Golden Tate WR Notre Dame

Tate ran well at the combine, he gives them a physical presence out wide, a willing blocker in the run heavy offense and a legit threat to go along with edwards

Dallas- Maurkice Pouncey C/G Florida

Not the biggest need, but tremendous value here imo, pouncey will be an elite center but can kick out to guard at any point. They play in a divison with some elite dlinemen, upgrades along the line are always welcome

Minnesota- Derrick Morgan DE Georgia Tech

Kind of surprising he fell this far, but they need a legit end opposite allen

San Diego- Ryan Matthews RB Fresno state

Pretty common pick, I kind of think it is a lock at this point.

Indianapolis- Charles Brown OT USC

He bulked up to LT standards this offseason. Hes a tremendous pass blocker and exactly what the colts look for in a tackle

New Orleans- Brian Price DT UCLA

Penetrating DT to play with ellis, this defense is building up to an elite status


ROUND TWO

33. St. Louis Rams WR: Arrelious Benn: Illinois:
First Round Talent as an athlete, second round talent as a football player

34. Detroit Lions: Jared Odrick DT Penn State
They get a similar player to Gerald Mccoy at this spot since they passed on mccoy/suh in the first

35. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: WR: DeMaryius Thomas: Georgia Tech:
Top talent, would be gone by now if he didnt break his foot

36. Kansas City Chiefs: OLB: Jerry Hughes
as they continue to build the 34, they get a great rush OLB

37. Washington Redskins: Javid Best RB Cal
Running Game is in shambles with portis slowly losing it. Theres no QB worth taking here, if they drafted Colt Mccoy they would have 2 on that roster named colt with similar skill sets and pike might be a reach here

38. Cleveland Browns: RB: Patrick Robinson CB FSU
They get berry in the first and robinson in the second....good day for that secondary

39. Oakland Raiders: Everson Griffen DE USC
A somewhat forgotten man throughout the draft process, local product and a physical freak

40. Seattle Seahawks: Damien Williams WR USC
Carrol Gets his boy (again) only this time hes actually pretty talented

41. Buffalo Bills: Cam Thomas NT UNC
As they try to build a 34 defense thomas is the best NT on the board still, lets them move stroud to end and hopefully get some production out of maybin

42. Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Brandon Ghee CB Wake Forest
They get a nice CB to take over for barber and a great player opposite talib

43. Miami Dolphins: WR: Brandon Spikes MLB Florida
Parcells loves LBs, spikes shouldnt be here...the gap between him and mcclain is minimal imo

44. New England Patriots: Ricky Sapp OLB/DE Clemson
They are trying to get a pass rush going, they will convert sapp to OLB

45. Denver Broncos: Perrish Cox CB Oklahoma State
Bailey is getting pretty old and this gives them a duo of the future with cox and alphonso smith

46. New York Giants: LaMarr Houston: Texas
They wanted dan williams in the first, but this gives them a great fit for their system

47. New England Patriots: Brandon Lafell WR LSU
Moss wont be back beyond next year, welker has a bad knee now...they need to sure up the position, lafell is great value here

48. Carolina Panthers: DE: Koa Misi: Utah:
Trying to replace peppers, not sure this does it but hes a decent player

49. San Francisco 49ers: S: Nate Allen: USF:
They got Haden in the first and now they sure up the safety spot which is questionable at best right now

50. Kansas City Chiefs: Mardy Gilyard WR Cincy
Great player to play opposite of bowe and can start out in the slot. A santonio holmes clone that will have an impact his rookie year, very pro-ready

51. Houston Texans: Chad Jones S LSU
Good Value here, Jones a potential first round pick will be a stud SS for years, an adrian wilson clone

52. Pittsburgh Steelers: OLB Thaddeus Gibson Ohio State
This is just me living my fantasy of thomas and gibson

53. New England Patriots Ron Gronkowski TE Arizona
the second best TE, which is a major need for them right now

54. Cincinnati Bengals: Major Wright S Florida
Roy Willaims isnt the answer

55. Philadelphia Eagles: LB: Daryl Washington: TCU:
Pure speed at LB to play in their 43 defense....losing witherspoon to the titans and having bradley back this will sure up their LBs

56. Green Bay Packers: Jason Fox OT Miami
They need oline and love the white guys

57. Baltimore Ravens: Corey Wootton DE Northwestern
Awesome value here, he can move around on the line and ngata will really help him out playing in a 34...he will get sacks as a 34 end

58. Arizona Cardinals: TE: Aaron Hernandez: Florida:
pope was a bust a few years ago, they need to get lienart a TE to complete the passing attack

59. Dallas Cowboys: Vladimir Duccasse OT/OG Mass
idk, its tough to peg the cowboys pressing needs. imo duccasse is a 3rd round guard prospect, but he could also one day play LT and flo wont be around forever

60. San Diego Chargers: Devin Mccourty CB Rutgers
Trading away cromartie now they have another corner to groom behind cason and jammer

61. New York Jets: DT/DE: Arthur Jones: Syracuse:
Just building the defense under ryan, jones is a versatile player

62. Minnesota Vikings: Tony Pike QB Cincy
Clearly favre is dying, this is good value for pike who needs to bulk up a little bit

63. Indianapolis Colts: Sean Lee MLB Penn State
Undersized MLB...sounds like what the colts look for

64. New Orleans Saints: Jonathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech
They held a value value for wells last year, dwyer is not that far off, this pick wouldnt surprise me at all


Best of the rest:

Eric Norwood
Navorro Bowman
Jared Valdheer
Selvish Capers
Kareem Jackson
Domonique Franks
Donovan Warren
Jerome Murphy
Colt Mccoy
Tim Tebow
Toby Gerhart
Dexter Mccluster
John Jerry
Alex Carrington
Morgan Burnett
Reshed Jones

zachsaints52
03-15-2010, 10:33 PM
Switch the Saints second to Eric Norwood.... We would be using a 2nd round pick with holes on our Defense for a 3rd RB (Bush and Pierre Thomas and maybe even Mike Bell if he doesnt sign elsewhere_)

GoRavens
03-15-2010, 10:35 PM
Devin McCourty > Wootton
1st- Gresham
2nd- McCourty
That'd be perfect.

holt_bruce81
03-15-2010, 10:36 PM
Why would the Bradford rumors have to be a smokescreen? not like a team can trade ahead of them and snag him.

I hate Clausen.

K Train
03-15-2010, 10:45 PM
Switch the Saints second to Eric Norwood.... We would be using a 2nd round pick with holes on our Defense for a 3rd RB (Bush and Pierre Thomas and maybe even Mike Bell if he doesnt sign elsewhere_)

i actually had norwood there for a bit but didnt like dwyer falling out of the second lol.

K Train
03-15-2010, 10:46 PM
Why would the Bradford rumors have to be a smokescreen? not like a team can trade ahead of them and snag him.

I hate Clausen.

eh idk...throw the seahawks off or something lol

i cant stand bradford, i cant believe a team would consider him at #1

zachsaints52
03-15-2010, 10:46 PM
i actually had norwood there for a bit but didnt like dwyer falling out of the second lol.

If he fell to the Saints, he'd keep falling.

vikes_28
03-15-2010, 10:46 PM
Derrick Morgan to the Vikes? If we lose Edwards I would say that's alright. But chances are slim that we lose him. And Tony Pike is not a Second rounder. I'd roll with Colt McCoy there.

K Train
03-15-2010, 10:48 PM
Derrick Morgan to the Vikes? If we lose Edwards I would say that's alright. But chances are slim that we lose him. And Tony Pike is not a Second rounder. I'd roll with Colt McCoy there.

thats awesome value if morgan was there.

i thought about mccoy there in the second too, but i think pike has the better NFL qb upside. not sure that mccoy will ever be much of anything in the NFL.

vikes_28
03-15-2010, 10:49 PM
thats awesome value if morgan was there.

i thought about mccoy there in the second too, but i think pike has the better NFL qb upside. not sure that mccoy will ever be much of anything in the NFL.

It's awesome value, but it's not a need if Edwards stays.

K Train
03-15-2010, 10:53 PM
true. cant have too many pass rushers though, especially with the lions up and coming offense, aaron rodgers playing out of his mind and cutler maybe ever getting his head out of his ass lol

jCut
03-16-2010, 12:41 AM
Ducasse over Cox in the 2nd round for Denver.

prock
03-16-2010, 01:04 AM
****** vikes draft.

Abaddon
03-16-2010, 01:11 AM
Teams are waking up that the DTs might not have the value here

lolwat? :confused:

Rosebud
03-16-2010, 01:12 AM
I'd rather have Brian Price and Daryl Washington, but I wouldn't gripe about Spoon and Houston.

thebow305
03-16-2010, 01:19 AM
Not a very good Phins draft. I'm a BIG fan of Cody, so I wouldn't be terribly upset with that pick, save the value. But Spikes is an awful pick in the 2nd. We have no need for an ILB after the signing of Dansby. Ricky Sapp or Chad Jones would be better there IMO.

K Train
03-16-2010, 02:17 AM
Not a very good Phins draft. I'm a BIG fan of Cody, so I wouldn't be terribly upset with that pick, save the value. But Spikes is an awful pick in the 2nd. We have no need for an ILB after the signing of Dansby. Ricky Sapp or Chad Jones would be better there IMO.

i guess i look at dansby as being more of an OLB/porter replacement in a parcels 34. He will be on the field all 3 downs for sure and move around alot but i think he and spikes would be pretty sick, taylor a situational pass rusher, crowder in the mix and cody taking up blockers for them could be really nice. ANd cody would allow langford and merling to flourish as ends. i just think this makes the defense up with the elite ones with a young Dline, young group of very talented LBs (except taylor) and 2 pretty sick young corners.

parcels has run a more by-the-book 34 and cody fits that mold and dansby is more of an outside player in that scheme imo. clearly its all just my opinion but i think these two picks would make the defense incredible, sorry if you think its more along the lines of awful

K Train
03-16-2010, 02:20 AM
lolwat? :confused:

2 weeks ago suh and mccoy were slam dunk 1 and 2 picks...i really dont see that happening, you just dont take DTs that high. I think suh is a cant miss player and i have him as the second best player regardless of position (next to berry, who also wont be picked where his talent level says he should be) unfortuantely S and DTs just arent valued as high as QB, LT, and DE

Stranger
03-16-2010, 05:07 AM
Arizona- Sergio Kindle OLB Texas

Clark Haggans is old and they lost dansby…best 34 OLB left on the board


Dansby was an ILB in our 3-4 and an OLB in a 4-3. Agree with the pick though.

58. Arizona Cardinals: TE: Aaron Hernandez: Florida:
pope was a bust a few years ago, they need to get lienart a TE to complete the passing attack

Decent pick. Would prefer one of the CB or OT prospects since this TE class is so deep.

i guess i look at dansby as being more of an OLB/porter replacement in a parcels 34. He will be on the field all 3 downs for sure and move around alot but i think he and spikes would be pretty sick, taylor a situational pass rusher, crowder in the mix and cody taking up blockers for them could be really nice. ANd cody would allow langford and merling to flourish as ends. i just think this makes the defense up with the elite ones with a young Dline, young group of very talented LBs (except taylor) and 2 pretty sick young corners.

parcels has run a more by-the-book 34 and cody fits that mold and dansby is more of an outside player in that scheme imo. clearly its all just my opinion but i think these two picks would make the defense incredible, sorry if you think its more along the lines of awful

I don't think Dansby is a great fit as a 3-4 OLB. There was an article speculating about him playing there but I think the Dolphins confirmed they thought of him as an ILB.

Pat Sims 90
03-16-2010, 06:48 AM
Horriable Bengals Mock

Dunlap has the same skill set as a player we drafted last year in Michael Johnson plus we already have a lot of money tied up in DE postion

Iupati, Kindle, Price, Tate, or Benn would be much better picks

We dont need anymore in box type S we already have 3 on the roster in Williams Crocker and Ndukwe we need a coverage Type and Roy Williams started 4 games last year and more then likely wont be the starter this year

Reshad Jones or Morgan Burnett in the 2nd

Razor
03-16-2010, 07:11 AM
I'm not sure of Graham is a slam dunk for the Patriots if Kindle is still available, since Kindle fits what BB is looking for in an OLB. Also, Dolphins have Crowder and Dansby at ILB so Spikes will probably slide to #44 where the Patriots will pick him up. :) Other than that, it's a good Patriots draft and you adressed our biggest needs.

Poz51
03-16-2010, 07:18 AM
Take it easy on me

Buffalo- Anthony Davis OT Rutgers
ROUND TWO
41. Buffalo Bills: Cam Thomas NT UNC


Good first round pick, I am not a fan of the second round pick personally and think Thomas is a reach and there are better options, but that is my opinion, he does however fill a big need. Watch out for Tebow in the second for Buffalo, they are having private workouts with him, and there is a lot of chatter in the league that the Bills are high on him... As it is it works though.
Interesting side thoughts; Cody at to the phins in the first is interesting, I could see it, not sure many others will... Speaking of Miami they just signed Dansby, and as I also found out, that probably means no ILB drafted until late, if at all for the Phins. Love the Chad Jones comparison, wish I had thought of it, for me its a perfect comparison... Not sure Morgan drops that far... Anyway, good job with the Bills, Spikes, Sapp, Norwood, Tebow and Carrington are guys I think have better value than Thomas in the second, but Thomas does fill a need at a critical position in the 3-4, Linval Joseph in the third??

DiG
03-16-2010, 07:42 AM
with okung gone id be ok with bulaga but mccoy would be hard to pass on. hopefully we could try to trade down. i think the chances we draft best in rd 2 are very small. sorry but after signing larry johnson in fa i just cant see the skins drafting a rb that high. its more likely that we wait until the later rounds. saffold, griffin, and cox would all be better picks.

scar988
03-16-2010, 08:24 AM
looks like someone thinks Jamaal Anderson would be better than Jon Babineaux for us at UT... ha.

K Train
03-16-2010, 02:13 PM
Dansby was an ILB in our 3-4 and an OLB in a 4-3. Agree with the pick though.



Decent pick. Would prefer one of the CB or OT prospects since this TE class is so deep.



I don't think Dansby is a great fit as a 3-4 OLB. There was an article speculating about him playing there but I think the Dolphins confirmed they thought of him as an ILB.

yeah my bad, i thought in miamis system he would be primarily outside....the cards run a kind of gimmicky 34 so its hard to translate. hes definitely got the build and skill set to do it....but if they want him inside hes used to doing it

K Train
03-16-2010, 02:15 PM
looks like someone thinks Jamaal Anderson would be better than Jon Babineaux for us at UT... ha.

they like anderson when he gets bumped inside....for some reason i though babineaux was older than he was, my bad. even so, its just a good rotation of players

PhysicalwithanF
03-16-2010, 02:22 PM
pretty good for the Niners

rockio42
03-16-2010, 03:05 PM
LOVEEEE the Clausen pick (still would rather have Suh, but whatever) I think is Clausen succeeds he has a higher cieling than Bradford and on the second round Thomas would be a better pick for a WR but Griffen would be a better pick overall, Rams can't afford going QB/WR in 1/2 they need to get defense or at least OL in the second if they take a QB in the first

TonyGfortheTD
03-16-2010, 03:28 PM
Wait? When did McCoy all of a sudden become a top 3-4 end? Good thing the Chiefs are going to take him so they can trade away their best player on the Dline though!

E: I'm about as far away of a fan as I could be for drafting Bulaga at 5, but making that move would make more sense than drafting McCoy.

Grizzlegom
03-16-2010, 03:54 PM
Not a very good Phins draft. I'm a BIG fan of Cody, so I wouldn't be terribly upset with that pick, save the value. But Spikes is an awful pick in the 2nd. We have no need for an ILB after the signing of Dansby. Ricky Sapp or Chad Jones would be better there IMO.

what he said. I actually would embrace Cody at 12 and if you changed Spikes to Sapp i'd be psyched.

K Train
03-16-2010, 03:54 PM
Wait? When did McCoy all of a sudden become a top 3-4 end? Good thing the Chiefs are going to take him so they can trade away their best player on the Dline though!

E: I'm about as far away of a fan as I could be for drafting Bulaga at 5, but making that move would make more sense than drafting McCoy.

i think both suh and mccoy would dominate as a 34 ends but suh has eventual NT potential on a 34 line while mccoy would be an explosive presence on the end and be a guy that gets sacks from the 34 end spot (ala bruce smith who played in a 34 most of the time). i dont think its all of a sudden that these guys became pretty versatile, theyve been looked at pretty highly in both schemes throughout imo

K Train
03-16-2010, 03:56 PM
what he said. I actually would embrace Cody at 12 and if you changed Spikes to Sapp i'd be psyched.

i could see that, like i said i had the idea implanted in my head that the phins had OLB intentions for dansby

TonyGfortheTD
03-16-2010, 04:40 PM
i think both suh and mccoy would dominate as a 34 ends but suh has eventual NT potential on a 34 line while mccoy would be an explosive presence on the end and be a guy that gets sacks from the 34 end spot (ala bruce smith who played in a 34 most of the time). i dont think its all of a sudden that these guys became pretty versatile, theyve been looked at pretty highly in both schemes throughout imo

Suh could do well as a 3-4 end, but I'm not so favorable on McCoy considering he lacks the upper body strength you'd like from an end.

Still doesn't change the fact it's not a good pick and the reasoning for it is also not good.

K Train
03-16-2010, 04:50 PM
dorsey played decent as the year went on, he has alot (imo) of trade value for a team that he would excel on in a 43....in a 34 he will never reach his full potential

TonyGfortheTD
03-16-2010, 05:37 PM
Again, McCoy is still an awful pick. They aren't going to move Dorsey, the most productive player on the line, anytime soon. Pioli wouldn't of drafted Tyson Jackson at 3rd overall a year ago if he wasn't high on him. Spending a top 5 pick on a reserve player is not going to happen and there isn't any logic to it.

They already have a developmental player in depth with McGee and another player that has done well in limited time in Gilberry.

Keeping Dorsey, the best player on the line so far and letting him continue to recover value if they decide to trade him later on and getting a player that can make an impact right away will always trump drafting and starting a rookie defensive linemen for the 3rd straight year, trying to get good value in a trade for your top productive lineman and hoping you can replace his production with said rookie that also isn't that good of a fit as a 3-4 DE.

The Chiefs aren't going to trade away Dorsey because he might have more value for another team as a 3 technique. That's great, but that logic doesn't help the Chiefs get better.

Should the Cowboys trade Ratliff because he's not a prototypical 3-4 NT and may have more value to another team as an end?

hagy34
03-17-2010, 01:21 AM
Not a fan. I hate Pike. I mean I actually hate him. I don't even think I'd touch him before 6 or 7. And Morgan would be nice value but we'd need to lose Edwards in order for us to turn our attention there.

EdReedUnstoppable
03-17-2010, 09:53 AM
Not a fan of Gresham to us in rd 1, but Wooten is one of if not my favorite DL prospect for the Ravens so excellent rd 2 selection for us.

K Train
03-17-2010, 04:14 PM
thanks for the feedback guys

proshoota25
03-18-2010, 02:58 PM
i like the patriots draft. i like graham, but i honestly think the patriots would choose kindle over him.

coordinator0
03-18-2010, 04:17 PM
Decent Ravens picks, but I doubt we will be targeting Wooten. It looks like we're moving to more of a 4-3, and he doesn't seem like a great fit there. He might make a good tandem at LDE with Kruger though, so IDK. McCourty would probably be a far better (and more likely ) pick in the second.

T-RICH49
03-23-2010, 09:43 PM
if McCoy fell to 5 Pioli would more then likely trade down cause I bet he'd get plenty of calls