Aaron Rodgers / Picks Vs Randy Moss / Courtney Anderson

[Ronnie23]

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=188664

Could Be Anounced Soon...

Sorry to Make another Topic for this !

[bsaza2358]

Well, this source is a little odd...

If true, this deal works very nicely for the Raiders. They get a solid QB who has learned for 2 years under Brett Favre. They also lose Moss's poor chemistry. My guess is that the Raiders will take Calvin Johnson #1. He will take Moss's place, and then some.

The Packers are now in the market for a QB of the future and a RB. Their WR and TE problems are kind of fixed, but then what?

[Space Ghost]

Why even bother putting Anderson in the trade, he is terrible. I'd be a happy Raiders fan if that happened though, just getting Moss out would make me happy actually.

[bigbluedefense]

If this is true, that means Oakland will not take a QB with the 1st. That means that either Calvin Johnson or Joe Thomas is the 1st pick in the draft.

I think it would be a mistake for Oakland to do this. Im not a believer in Aaron Rodgers, although I readily admit its far too early to write him off.

[bsaza2358]

Well, with Kiffin there, he knows what Rodgers is all about. He coached against him for several years at USC. I think they're going off that scouting report, plus the benefit in the locker room when Moss is gone...

[NIN1984]

I want Russell, just trade Moss for a 3rd and get it over with

[bearsfan_51]

It makes sense for both sides.

I must say though, as it pertains to Ted Thompson, I would be shocked that he would ship out "his guy" and risk the long term stability of the franchise for a one, maybe two year shot at making some noise in the playoffs. They either really are not sold on Rogers (which is odd since they drafted him) or they are really feeling the pressure to do something for Lord Favre in his last season or two.

Either way, I wouldn't love shipping off your QB of the future, but it does make them a better team in the short run at a time when the Bears could potentially be vulnerable.

[SFbear]

It makes sense for both sides.

I must say though, as it pertains to Ted Thompson, I would be shocked that he would ship out "his guy" and risk the long term stability of the franchise for a one, maybe two year shot at making some noise in the playoffs. They either really are not sold on Rogers (which is odd since they drafted him) or they are really feeling the pressure to do something for Lord Favre in his last season or two.

Either way, I wouldn't love shipping off your QB of the future, but it does make them a better team in the short run at a time when the Bears could potentially be vulnerable.

Well there have been rumors of the organization not being high on Rodgers since before the draft last year, but it was assumed that they were just a smokescreen.

[P-L]

Personally, I think trading for Aaron Rodgers and passing on JaMarcus Russell would be the biggest mistake the Raiders could possibly make. I might be in the minority on that one, but I'd try and trade Moss for a draft pick straight up.

[bsaza2358]

Obviously, Lane Kiffin thinks he knows something about Rodgers, so he's making the move. He can still take Russell or Quinn, but that seems unlikely now. I would obviously prefer it (as an NFL fan) if the Raiders didn't tank this season...

[portermvp84]

I don't like this trade, we should try to get Moss or a 2nd or 3rd. It feels safer taking JR.

[Meta4]

I think the raiders are making a terrible mistake if they get a-rod. Any packer fan knows hes not a starting qb in this league. Just go back and look at what hes done in his short playing time. Granted its not much to judge from but god did he look terrible. Its a proven fact that "tedford system qb's" dont make it in the nfl. What makes a-rod any different? As a packer fan I would love to see the deal done. Why? because we all know a-rod is not the longterm answer for the pack. Yes we wasted a first round pick on him but sometimes you have to take a loss and move on.

[jag]

I think the raiders are making a terrible mistake if they get a-rod. Any packer fan knows hes not a starting qb in this league. Just go back and look at what hes done in his short playing time. Granted its not much to judge from but god did he look terrible. Its a proven fact that "tedford system qb's" dont make it in the nfl. What makes a-rod any different? As a packer fan I would love to see the deal done. Why? because we all know a-rod is not the longterm answer for the pack. Yes we wasted a first round pick on him but sometimes you have to take a loss and move on.

Any Packer fan would know this.

Aaron Rodgers has never started a game. So I'm not quite sure were you get "terribe" from.

[Bradentonian]

Remember that Kiffen has a lot of college experience with Walter. It's possible that he thinks Walter can be the guy with some competition from Rodgers. This would free them to take CJ, who could be a great "security blanket" for Walter's development. The key to all this working is the OL, of course, as Watler's limited mobility is a hindrance if he can't get any time to throw.

[soybean]

Well, this source is a little odd...

If true, this deal works very nicely for the Raiders. They get a solid QB who has learned for 2 years under Brett Favre. They also lose Moss's poor chemistry. My guess is that the Raiders will take Calvin Johnson #1. He will take Moss's place, and then some.

The Packers are now in the market for a QB of the future and a RB. Their WR and TE problems are kind of fixed, but then what?

i don't think you want any qb learning under favre. Sure he is great but it's his own personal style, he's reckless and will take chance most qb's dont want. It works for him but wouldn't work teaching it to an understudy.

[keylime_5]

I'd love this trade, it would bring Russell to Cleveland and fix us. :)

[#1chiefs_fan]

alex smith

[#1chiefs_fan]

I think the raiders are making a terrible mistake if they get a-rod. Any packer fan knows hes not a starting qb in this league. Just go back and look at what hes done in his short playing time. Granted its not much to judge from but god did he look terrible. Its a proven fact that "tedford system qb's" dont make it in the nfl. What makes a-rod any different? As a packer fan I would love to see the deal done. Why? because we all know a-rod is not the longterm answer for the pack. Yes we wasted a first round pick on him but sometimes you have to take a loss and move on.

alex smith was a system qb at utah and look what he did for the 9ers last year.

[soybean]

i hope the packers get rid of rodgers, and then he whoops their ass on another team.

[Vince Lombardi]

Any Packer fan would know this.

Aaron Rodgers has never started a game. So I'm not quite sure were you get "terribe" from.

He had his ups and downs, I certainly wouldn't say everything he did has been terrible. The fact of the matter is that he's hardly had a chance to do anything, so it's too early for anybody to be sure about anything.

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070315/PKR01/70315079/1989

Harlan: Trade for Moss isn't close to happening
By Rob Demovsky (rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com)
rdemovsk@greenbaypressgazette.com


Bob Harlan, the Green Bay Packers’ chairman and CEO, said this morning it seemed unlikely that a trade to acquire receiver Randy Moss from Oakland was imminent.

Reached in his office, Harlan said he had not heard a Boston Herald report that quoted “a Wisconsin source” as saying the Packers and Raiders are on the verge of announcing a trade that would send Moss to the Packers for backup quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

Harlan said he has not spoken with General Manager Ted Thompson since he left for a scouting trip on Tuesday afternoon.

“If (a trade) was that close, (Thompson) would have called us by now,” Harlan said.

Thompson presented his monthly report to the Packers’ board of directors during its regular meeting on Tuesday morning and then left town. He is not scheduled to return until Friday night.

The subject of Moss came up during Tuesday’s meeting, but Thompson didn’t indicate a deal was about to be made.

“No, not at all,” Harlan said. “And he would have told that group if it was that close.”

Thompson was not immediately available for comment.

The trade, according to the Herald’s source, would send Rodgers and a seventh-round draft pick in 2008 to the Raiders for Moss, tight end Courtney Anderson and a conditional 2009 draft pick that would depend on how well Rodgers played for the Raiders in 2007 and 2008.

[bearsfan_51]

The fact that they continually talk about it publically all but assures that it will happen eventually barring any snags.

[Meta4]

alex smith was a system qb at utah and look what he did for the 9ers last year.

He had an average season at best and now his qb coach is gone. Not to mention hes not a product of the tedford system.

Trent Dilfer
David Carr
Joey Harrington
Kyle Boller
Akili Smith

I thinks that pretty much sums it up!

[Meta4]

Outgoing Packers CEO Bob Harlan, who has been more talkative than ever over the past few days, tells the Green Bay Press-Gazette that a deal for Raiders receiver Randy Moss is not close to happening.

Harlan bases his assessment on the fact that G.M. Ted Thompson left on Tuesday for a scouting trip, and has not phoned in to tell Harlan that a deal was close.

“If [a trade] was that close, [Thompson] would have called us by now,” Harlan said.

Of course, given that Harlan has been flapping his lips about the Moss situation for most of the past week, maybe the close-vested Thompson realized that giving Harlan a head's up was the equivalent of shouting the news from the middle of Times Square with a megaphone.

And the fact that Harlan didn't say something like, "I have no idea what you're talking about" or "We have no interest in Randy Moss" or "Randy Moss will be doing the Lambeau Leap over my dead body" tells us that something is going on -- and that at this point it's more likely a matter not of "if" but "when."

[lod01]

It makes sense for both sides.

I must say though, as it pertains to Ted Thompson, I would be shocked that he would ship out "his guy" and risk the long term stability of the franchise for a one, maybe two year shot at making some noise in the playoffs. They either really are not sold on Rogers (which is odd since they drafted him) or they are really feeling the pressure to do something for Lord Favre in his last season or two.

Either way, I wouldn't love shipping off your QB of the future, but it does make them a better team in the short run at a time when the Bears could potentially be vulnerable.


Only someone with Grossman would consider Rodgers 'a QB of the future'. I'll be watching for when you remove my post from your signature. That's gonna happen. With or without Moss.

Got some news for you. Rodgers isn't the 1st backup QB shipped out for picks/players.

Brunell - was better than Rodgers
Hasslebeck - is better than Rodgers ever could imagine to be.
Brooks
Nall

When you can ship out a mediocre QB for something and replace him in the draft, it's a good idea. Now I can understand why the Bears fans wouldn't understand becasue they've had about 50 different sucky QB's since Favre took snap #1 in Green Bay.

Agree totally on your last line. You are starting to see the cracks in that fragile Bears team. At the same time the Pack grows stronger. I called it and you posted it in your signature. Classic.

[PACKmanN]

I hate to say it but I told you so :)

[bearsfan_51]

You're a dumbass. Nothing you said was either relavent to my post or informed in any manner.

They shipped those QB's out because Favre was still playing at a high level and had his career ahead of him. Favre is an average QB at best anymore, and has this year and maybe one more and that's it.

They drafted him with their 1st round pick, that would indicate that they at some point considered him to be their QB of the future. If they trade him, they're going to have to draft another one in the high rounds and hope to groom him extrememly fast because when Favre leaves you're going to have nooooooobody.

Nothing I said was a shot at the Packers at all. ******* grow up. Obviously you're having some issues with the fact that the Bears are so far ahead of the Packers right now. Otherwise you wouldn't make such outlandish and uncalled for comments. I said the Bears could be vulnerable. They are still leaps and bounds above the Packers right now. And any objective person could recognize that.

[Meta4]

Only someone with Grossman would consider Rodgers 'a QB of the future'. I'll be watching for when you remove my post from your signature. That's gonna happen. With or without Moss.

Got some news for you. Rodgers isn't the 1st backup QB shipped out for picks/players.

Brunell - was better than Rodgers
Hasslebeck - is better than Rodgers ever could imagine to be.
Brooks
Nall

When you can ship out a mediocre QB for something and replace him in the draft, it's a good idea. Now I can understand why the Bears fans wouldn't understand becasue they've had about 50 different sucky QB's since Favre took snap #1 in Green Bay.

Agree totally on your last line. You are starting to see the cracks in that fragile Bears team. At the same time the Pack grows stronger. I called it and you posted it in your signature. Classic.

Good Point!

[Meta4]

You're a dumbass. Nothing you said was either relavent to my post or informed in any manner.

They shipped those QB's out because Favre was still playing at a high level and had his career ahead of him. Favre is an average QB at best anymore, and has this year and maybe one more and that's it.

They drafted him with their 1st round pick, that would indicate that they at some point considered him to be their QB of the future. If they trade him, they're going to have to draft another one in the high rounds and hope to groom him extrememly fast because when Favre leaves you're going to have nooooooobody.

Nothing I said was a shot at the Packers at all. ******* grow up. Obviously you're having some issues with the fact that the Bears are so far ahead of the Packers right now. Otherwise you wouldn't make such outlandish and uncalled for comments. I said the Bears could be vulnerable. They are still leaps and bounds above the Packers right now. And any objective person could recognize that.

Actually they drafted himbecause he was the best value on the board and thats how ted drafts. I dont think anyone in the organization thought he was the qb of the future.

[drowe]

i love this trade because I HATE Aaron Rodgers. i'm just really happy he isn't the Packer's "QB of the Future" anymore.

[bearsfan_51]

Actually they drafted himbecause he was the best value on the board and thats how ted drafts. I dont think anyone in the organization thought he was the qb of the future.

What value does he have if they never planned on him playing. Do you realize what little sense that makes? Best player available is only relavent if you actually plan on playing that guy.

I also love how so many Packers fans were saying that he was the QB of the future, but now that there is talk of him being traded everyone throws him under the bus. What a bunch of baseless homers you are.

I realize that some (drowe for example) never liked Rogers, but that was the minority. Most felt that "they would be fine" and "Rogers will carry the program after Favre leaves".

[Man_Of_Steel]

How much better can it get for the Raiders right now. They have the first overall pick of the draft and now they are making one of tghe best trades ive seen. Theyre getting rid of Moss which they are thrilled about and bringing in a young qb who was drafted first round, almost first overall. Now the Raiders willhave their qb and can take Calvin. The Packers are screwing their franchise giving away farves succedor and bringing in a guy who give 75% at best. The Raiders must be commended and the packers fans must be sick.

[Meta4]

What value does he have if they never planned on him playing. Do you realize what little sense that makes? Best player available is only relavent if you actually plan on playing that guy.

I also love how so many Packers fans were saying that he was the QB of the future, but now that there is talk of him being traded everyone throws him under the bus. What a bunch of baseless homers you are.

I realize that some (drowe for example) never liked Rogers, but that was the minority. Most felt that "they would be fine" and "Rogers will carry the program after Favre leaves".

You obviously know noyhing about ted thompson because hes gone on record numerous times saying he drafts the best player on the board even if its not a player of need which a-rod was. We didnt need him then and we dont need him now. I also think its funny how you bash people for making "uncalled for comments" and your probably the king of uncalled for comments on this board. Ive been reading these forums for quite some time and I must say I actually enjoy reading your posts but please practice what you preach!

[PACKmanN]

What value does he have if they never planned on him playing. Do you realize what little sense that makes? Best player available is only relavent if you actually plan on playing that guy.

I also love how so many Packers fans were saying that he was the QB of the future, but now that there is talk of him being traded everyone throws him under the bus. What a bunch of baseless homers you are.

I realize that some (drowe for example) never liked Rogers, but that was the minority. Most felt that "they would be fine" and "Rogers will carry the program after Favre leaves".

i defended Rodgers with a passion but it comes to a point were he will be traded and theres nothing you can do about it.

[cheesehead10790]

How much better can it get for the Raiders right now. They have the first overall pick of the draft and now they are making one of tghe best trades ive seen. Theyre getting rid of Moss which they are thrilled about and bringing in a young qb who was drafted first round, almost first overall. Now the Raiders willhave their qb and can take Calvin. The Packers are screwing their franchise giving away farves succedor and bringing in a guy who give 75% at best. The Raiders must be commended and the packers fans must be sick.


Actually as a Packer fan Id be thrilled with this trade. I would rather trade a player other than Rodgers (such as a third and KGB) but this would be a huge upgrade for the team. Rodgers hasnt proved anything yet and Moss still has the size and speed to be top 5 WR in the league. I think it would be a great trade for both sides.

[Meta4]

How much better can it get for the Raiders right now. They have the first overall pick of the draft and now they are making one of tghe best trades ive seen. Theyre getting rid of Moss which they are thrilled about and bringing in a young qb who was drafted first round, almost first overall. Now the Raiders willhave their qb and can take Calvin. The Packers are screwing their franchise giving away farves succedor and bringing in a guy who give 75% at best. The Raiders must be commended and the packers fans must be sick.

WOW thats a big statement for a qb who has seen nothing but garbage time in his career. A-rod is simply a product of a system. The tedford system on top of that. There was a reason he wasnt drafted number 1. There is also a reason why he almost slipped out of the first round. What makes anyone think that a-rod is gonna have success on a team that went through three qb's last year and put up some of the worst numbers in NFL HISTORY??

[princefielder28]

I'd love this trade, it would bring Russell to Cleveland and fix us. :)

That it certainly would

[bearsfan_51]

You obviously know noyhing about ted thompson because hes gone on record numerous times saying he drafts the best player on the board even if its not a player of need which a-rod was. We didnt need him then and we dont need him now. I also think its funny how you bash people for making "uncalled for comments" and your probably the king of uncalled for comments on this board. Ive been reading these forums for quite some time and I must say I actually enjoy reading your posts but please practice what you preach!
Every GM says that.

As for "uncalled" comments. I'm not talking about swearing or things of that nature, I'm talking about bringing up completely irrelevant points, such as Rex Grossman or things of that nature. I hate when people try to measure someone's comments dependent upon what team they root for, as if that has anything to do with anything.

Not to mention I didn't even say it was a bad move for the Packers, I was just weighing the pros and cons, as opposed to simply saying "OMGZ WHATS A GREEAAT TRARED THE PACKERS R GOIN TOT HE SUPERBOWL!!!" which is apparently the only commentary whatever his name is finds acceptable.

[Meta4]

But not every gm practices it!

[P-L]

If Ted Thompson honestly drafted Aaron Rodgers with no intention of ever playing him then he is the stupidest GM of all-time.

[lod01]

What value does he have if they never planned on him playing. Do you realize what little sense that makes? Best player available is only relavent if you actually plan on playing that guy.

I also love how so many Packers fans were saying that he was the QB of the future, but now that there is talk of him being traded everyone throws him under the bus. What a bunch of baseless homers you are.

I realize that some (drowe for example) never liked Rogers, but that was the minority. Most felt that "they would be fine" and "Rogers will carry the program after Favre leaves".


the bears short run at the top is almost over and I can sense it in your tone. Hilarious.

Get ready for this: http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/1718/randy27jj5.jpg

[cheesehead10790]

I dont see a problem with drafting a player who has the best value on the board. It leaves you options for scenarios like THE ONE RIGHT NOW.Good trade value. I like Rodgers and wouldnt mind giving him a shot but I would give him up for Moss in a heartbeat.

[Meta4]

If Ted Thompson honestly drafted Aaron Rodgers with no intention of ever playing him then he is the stupidest GM of all-time.

Not if we get randy moss out of it then I have to say it worked out perfect. We would get rid of someone who is getting paid alot of money to carry a clipboard and in return get one of the best wideouts in the league. And yes he is still one of the best. The greenbay organization has done this so many times before, I really dont understand why so many people are shocked that it may happen.

[niel89]

WOW thats a big statement for a qb who has seen nothing but garbage time in his career. A-rod is simply a product of a system. The tedford system on top of that. There was a reason he wasnt drafted number 1. There is also a reason why he almost slipped out of the first round. What makes anyone think that a-rod is gonna have success on a team that went through three qb's last year and put up some of the worst numbers in NFL HISTORY??

that doesnt mean he isnt good. he has been stuck behind Farve and yuo can really judge him at this point. me personally i think the raiders are getting the better deal here. Moss is not what he used to be and CJ would be an improvement and rodgers could be worth it. he could be a solid player or he could be a waste. either way the raiders are getting rid of moss.

[frogstomp]

Every GM says that.

As for "uncalled" comments. I'm not talking about swearing or things of that nature, I'm talking about bringing up completely irrelevant points, such as Rex Grossman or things of that nature. I hate when people try to measure someone's comments dependent upon what team they root for, as if that has anything to do with anything.

Not to mention I didn't even say it was a bad move for the Packers, I was just weighing the pros and cons, as opposed to simply saying "OMGZ WHATS A GREEAAT TRARED THE PACKERS R GOIN TOT HE SUPERBOWL!!!" which is apparently the only commentary whatever his name is finds acceptable.

Exactly. I had an argument about this before. It's so goddamn pathetic when people do that.

[Meta4]

If Ted Thompson honestly drafted Aaron Rodgers with no intention of ever playing him then he is the stupidest GM of all-time.

By the way I think your gm takes the cake for worst gm ever!!

[lod01]

What value does he have if they never planned on him playing. Do you realize what little sense that makes? .

Do you realize how little sense you are making? Do the names Mark Brunell or Matt Hasselbeck ring a bell? Did you even know they were at one time backups behind Favre with about the same chance of playing as hell freezing over?
If you did, you wouldn't have made this ridiculous statement.

[bearsfan_51]

Not if we get randy moss out of it then I have to say it worked out perfect. We would get rid of someone who is getting paid alot of money to carry a clipboard and in return get one of the best wideouts in the league. And yes he is still one of the best. The greenbay organization has done this so many times before, I really dont understand why so many people are shocked that it may happen.

Ok think about this.

You used a 1st round pick on a guy.

You got absolutely nothing out of him for two years.

You are now possibly trading him for a guy that has the value of a mid-to-late 2nd rounder.


How in the world is that working out perfectly?


Hass was drafted in the 6th round. Brunell and Brooks were mid-round picks. All three were traded because Favre wasn't going anywhere for many years.

There is a HUGE difference here.

[bearsfan_51]

I dont see a problem with drafting a player who has the best value on the board. It leaves you options for scenarios like THE ONE RIGHT NOW.Good trade value. I like Rodgers and wouldnt mind giving him a shot but I would give him up for Moss in a heartbeat.

It's not good trade value, it's TERRIBLE trade value.

You could have taken a player in 2005 with the 24th pick, used him for three years, and taken the mid 2nd rounder this year and traded him for Moss.

How can ANYONE not understand how this is not good value?

[Windy]

I had a feeling Courtney Anderson was going to be traded or cut. He hit an escalator in his contract moving his salary for next year to 1.4 Million.

[Meta4]

Every GM says that.

As for "uncalled" comments. I'm not talking about swearing or things of that nature, I'm talking about bringing up completely irrelevant points, such as Rex Grossman or things of that nature. I hate when people try to measure someone's comments dependent upon what team they root for, as if that has anything to do with anything.

Not to mention I didn't even say it was a bad move for the Packers, I was just weighing the pros and cons, as opposed to simply saying "OMGZ WHATS A GREEAAT TRARED THE PACKERS R GOIN TOT HE SUPERBOWL!!!" which is apparently the only commentary whatever his name is finds acceptable.

If you were referring to me as the "whatever his name is" then you should go back and read my posts because i never once said we were going to the super bowl. If it wasnt me then disregard this comment.

[niel89]

i think it was just plain stupid for the packer to get rid of the future multi-MVP CRAIG NALL :D

[P-L]

Not if we get randy moss out of it then I have to say it worked out perfect. We would get rid of someone who is getting paid alot of money to carry a clipboard and in return get one of the best wideouts in the league. And yes he is still one of the best. The greenbay organization has done this so many times before, I really dont understand why so many people are shocked that it may happen.
That isn't the point. When the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers they didn't do it knowing that Moss would be available in a trade a couple years later. They did it for one of two reasons. Either they planned on Aaron Rodgers being the QB of the future or they did it because they are idiots. Tell me, why did the Packers draft Aaron Rodgers if they never had any intention of him seeing the field?

[lod01]

I'll tell you this, the Packers are taking the NFC North in 2007. That dude knows it too.

[Meta4]

Ok think about this.

You used a 1st round pick on a guy.

You got absolutely nothing out of him for two years.

You are now possibly trading him for a guy that has the value of a mid-to-late 2nd rounder.


How in the world is that working out perfectly?


Hass was drafted in the 6th round. Brunell and Brooks were mid-round picks. All three were traded because Favre wasn't going anywhere for many years.

There is a HUGE difference here.

If you go back and read my posts I said sometimes you have to take a loss and move on. How many times a year does that happen in the draft?? you take a player high and he doesnt work out. It happens all the time. OH WELL!

[niel89]

I'll tell you this, the Packers are taking the NFC North in 2007. That dude knows it too.

they're taking the north by trying to pick it up from the bottom

[niel89]

you take a player high and he doesnt work out. It happens all the time. OH WELL!

he hasnt had a chance to not work out. he hasnt played signifigantly

[lod01]

That isn't the point. When the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers they didn't do it knowing that Moss would be available in a trade a couple years later. They did it for one of two reasons. Either they planned on Aaron Rodgers being the QB of the future or they did it because they are idiots. Tell me, why did the Packers draft Aaron Rodgers if they never had any intention of him seeing the field?

It appears that they didn't know what I knew: Favre was sticking around until he threw TD pass #421. I said years ago that he wasn't going away until that record was his. Think what you want about what he said as far as that record is concerned. Fact is he wants it.

[lod01]

they're taking the north by trying to pick it up from the bottom

??????

When did the Lions and Vikings franchises' dissolve?

[niel89]

??????

When did the Lions and Vikings franchises' dissolve?

im just messing with ya, the pack should have a good year but i still feel the bears are entrenched

[Meta4]

he hasnt had a chance to not work out. he hasnt played signifigantly

He didnt play and he may get traded so therefore he didnt work out. It has nothing to do with on field production. Its a business move. I still cant believe people are bashing a a-rod for moss trade it makes no sense at all. A-rod may never see the field under his rookie contract so what should we do? Get a great talent now that plays lights out in lambeau field or let a-rod sit the bench his entire rookie contract and then loose him to free agency. I think this deal makes alot of sense.

[Featherstone]

That isn't the point. When the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers they didn't do it knowing that Moss would be available in a trade a couple years later. They did it for one of two reasons. Either they planned on Aaron Rodgers being the QB of the future or they did it because they are idiots. Tell me, why did the Packers draft Aaron Rodgers if they never had any intention of him seeing the field?

False dichotomy.

Maybe they have watched him for 2 years and realize he isn't going to be the player they thought he was going to be coming out.

[lod01]

im just messing with ya, the pack should have a good year but i still feel the bears are entrenched


No problem. That's why I came back with that reply....although it should be considered by the NFL.

[bearsfan_51]

If you go back and read my posts I said sometimes you have to take a loss and move on. How many times a year does that happen in the draft?? you take a player high and he doesnt work out. It happens all the time. OH WELL!

Right, and that's fine. If they don't like Rogers they should trade him and try to find another young QB to be the replacement, but to say that it is good value, it is not. If they trade Rogers it ends up being a bad pick for the Packers because they lost three years for nothing and a major drop in terms of trade value.

That being said, if they don't think he's worth anything they need to trade him this offseason while he still has some value.

[Meta4]

Its gonna be real funny if a-rod has nothing to do with this trade and we all just wasted our time for nothing. :)

[PACKmanN]

23 teams passed on him and all thoses 23 coachs know something.

[Meta4]

Right, and that's fine. If they don't like Rogers they should trade him and try to find another young QB to be the replacement, but to say that it is good value, it is not. If they trade Rogers it ends up being a bad pick for the Packers because they lost three years for nothing and a major drop in terms of trade value.

That being said, if they don't think he's worth anything they need to trade him this offseason while he still has some value.

I agree and thats exactly what were trying to do. I understand your value point because we did just lose three years for nothing but at the same time we cant change that, we can only mask it by bringing moss in. Either way picking rodgers was a mistake. I personally have always thought that but thats what you have to deal with when TT is your GM. He drafts the best player available regardless of need.

[cheesehead10790]

I dont even understand this argument. This is a trade that would benefit both teams. The Packers need a WR and the Raiders a QB. Both Rodgers and Moss were 1st round picks and both have had their value drop. They have about the same value and would both benefit from the trade. It makes perfect sense to me.

[FLORIDA PACKER]

I have Never been a Rodgers advocate I was a Charlie Frye guy in 04.

But this situation is totally different than the Hasselback, Brunell, and Brooks situations.

I believe all them were later round picks(Brooks 4th, Hasselback 6th i know for sure), Rodgers was drafted with our 1st round pick, as a BPA lets not forget he was mentioned in the same breath as the number 1 overall pick at one time. however the tedford legacy is what caused him to drop IMO. So if Thompson does decide to trade him he's admitting he made a mistake which just doesn't seem very TT to me.

I wouldn't mind getting rid of him for Moss, but we must have a back up plan ready. Were gonna need another Young QB to bring into the fold(Charlie Frye may even be potentially avaiable if Cleavland decides to go the Brady Quinn route but thats just a pipe dream of mine)

[Moses]

23 teams passed on him and all thoses 23 coachs know something.

Every coach passed on Brady, multiple times.

Plus, Rodgers was the 2nd quarterback selected in the draft. The only real knock on him coming into the NFL was that he worked in the Tedford system.

[GB12]

http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=2&date=3/15/2007&id=20647

That says the exact opposite

[Meta4]

http://www.jsonline.com/watch/?watch=2&date=3/15/2007&id=20647

That says the exact opposite

Its all a smokescreen. TT is notorious for things like this. He says one thing and does the exact opposite.

[Meta4]

Every coach passed on Brady, multiple times.

Plus, Rodgers was the 2nd quarterback selected in the draft. The only real knock on him coming into the NFL was that he worked in the Tedford system.

Thats a big knock!

[CC.SD]

Thats a big knock!




Yeah it's basically the equivalent of "Hey guys, I banged this really hot chick...big tits, great hips, and oh yeah I forgot to tell you she was dead at the time."

[TheChampIsHere]

That isn't the point. When the Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers they didn't do it knowing that Moss would be available in a trade a couple years later. They did it for one of two reasons. Either they planned on Aaron Rodgers being the QB of the future or they did it because they are idiots. Tell me, why did the Packers draft Aaron Rodgers if they never had any intention of him seeing the field?

well obviously when they drafted him they must have thought he was their QB of the future. Based on how they handled it on draft day I was led to believe they weren't high on Rodgers as a prospect but thought the value was too to pass up. And I also would have to guess that the coaches are not at all high on him after 2 years of him in practice.

[eaglesalltheway]

ESPN and NFL Network are saying this is false, and I will beleive them, I think someone either got confused, or bored, and wanted to start a good story.

[Meta4]

Here's a report from Madison ESPN radio posted on packerforum.com
http://packerforum.com/index.php?name=Foru...pic&t=10315
This just in....

They interviewed the Boston Herald reporter who broke the story on the Madison's ESPN affiliate. He said his source has never been wrong and he fully expects denials until the deal is officially announced. By rule, they must deny it because of tampering. He also said it could be announced as early as tomorrow or it could be after the draft. He was born and raised in Milwaukee and that is how he has the Wisconsin source who he would not name.

[lod01]

I dont even understand this argument. This is a trade that would benefit both teams. The Packers need a WR and the Raiders a QB. Both Rodgers and Moss were 1st round picks and both have had their value drop. They have about the same value and would both benefit from the trade. It makes perfect sense to me.

It makes TOTAL sense for both sides. If Favre sticks around 2 years, Rodgers is a zero. Get something for him and that something is a deep threat WR. If Rodgers goes to the raiders, they grab Calvin Johnson. There is nothing written in stone that Russell or Quinn is the next Manning. However, there is a much better chance that CJ is the next great WR. He has no flaws. You get a WR that is head and shoulders above ANY Wr that has come out since Moss. Take Russell or Quinn and you don't get that.

[Kurve]

i dont know how i would feel if this trade went down being a raider fan. I would rather have a 2nd round draft pick, straight up track Rogers for Moss i dont know if that would give enough value for the raiders.

[Caddy]

ESPN and NFL Network are saying this is false, and I will beleive them, I think someone either got confused, or bored, and wanted to start a good story.

A good story it was, certainly created a lot of publicity for both parties.

[TitleTown088]

I'm going to be ******* furious is The packers trade rodgers for moss. I don't bu it anyways thpough.

[Young Nasty Man]

very ideal trade for both teams....Packers don't have to worry about him rotting on the bench and they get depth at WR. Randy Moss still is a great reciever even though he chooses when to play. That will change with Brett, he can make anyone a team player wtih that charm....

Raiders are making a pretty good trade...Dumping a reciever that hasn't produced for them for a QB that is from the area and has the potential to make it. They are taking the safest pick in the draft (even though thats a bad comment to make) wtih CJ becuase he is going to produce with anyone. Look who his QB was in college.

This now really makes the draft intruiging...

[TitleTown088]

http://www.packersnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070315/PKR01/70315132/1989

"wild speculation"

[Geo]

LOL. Adam Schefter just shot the **** out of this "impending trade" down.

[RaiderNation]

sweet :) (10 characters)

[jackalope]

I sure hope the "Trade for Moss isn't close to happening" thing is true and not the one about the trade being about to be announced. I'm still really hoping this doesn't happen, especially for Rodgers.

And to whoever called Rodgers terrible, based on what?

[Handel]

http://patriots.bostonherald.com/patriots/view.bg?articleid=188664

Could Be Anounced Soon...

Sorry to Make another Topic for this !

Funny that's a guy working for a Boston paper who found the story. I know heé,s member of ESPN Boston.

[Empire]

I'm going to be ******* furious is The packers trade rodgers for moss. I don't bu it anyways thpough.

Why so we can have Rodgers waste his life on the bench for another reason? Rodgers hasn't proven anything to anyone yet. Moss is proven. Hmmm let's think about that for a moment.

[Vince Lombardi]

GB didn't draft Rodgers because they were extremely high on him, but rather because the upside was just too much to pass on. Think about it, a potential franchise QB and possible #1 overall draft pick falls all the way to the bottom of round 1, you have a veteran QB who may retire in a year and no one behind him. Any smart GM would make that call in the same situation. Even if you aren't completely sold on the player a #23 pick is well worth the gamble for a potential franchise signal caller.

People are making it out like GB spent a top 5 pick on Rodgers instead of #23. If these rumors are true then GB took a smart gamble, evaluated Rodgers for a few years and decided he wasn't their guy. If that's the case, then they have to trade him away now to get some return value. Trading for Moss is not that big of a loss in value, he still has the ability to be a big play threat when he's motivated, and knowing how much he respects Favre, he will be. I'm not saying that we haven't lost some value, just not as much as people are trying to make it out to seem. Of course anybody can look back in retrospect and find a better pick we could have made, but I stand by my opinion that it was a worthwhile gamble, and don't see how anybody can question TT for making it.

[TheChampIsHere]

GB didn't draft Rodgers because they were extremely high on him, but rather because the upside was just too much to pass on. Think about it, a potential franchise QB and possible #1 overall draft pick falls all the way to the bottom of round 1, you have a veteran QB who may retire in a year and no one behind him. Any smart GM would make that call in the same situation. Even if you aren't completely sold on the player a #23 pick is well worth the gamble for a potential franchise signal caller.

People are making it out like GB spent a top 5 pick on Rodgers instead of #23. If these rumors are true then GB took a smart gamble, evaluated Rodgers for a few years and decided he wasn't their guy. If that's the case, then they have to trade him away now to get some return value. Trading for Moss is not that big of a loss in value, he still has the ability to be a big play threat when he's motivated, and knowing how much he respects Favre, he will be. I'm not saying that we haven't lost some value, just not as much as people are trying to make it out to seem. Of course anybody can look back in retrospect and find a better pick we could have made, but I stand by my opinion that it was a worthwhile gamble, and don't see how anybody can question TT for making it.

Agree 100% well said

[football guy]

The same agents represents all parties involved

Brett Favre
Randy Moss (participating agent)
Calvin Johnson

Whos' the agent? Bus Cook.

I wonder how much Bus Cook favors to make if Calvin Johnson goes #1 overall to the Raiders? Because CJ will be drafted #1 if Moss gets traded.

Interesting eh?

[eacantdraft]

Why so we can have Rodgers waste his life on the bench for another reason? Rodgers hasn't proven anything to anyone yet. Moss is proven. Hmmm let's think about that for a moment.

Moss is a proven cancer and quiter.

[Empire]

Moss is a proven cancer and quiter.

You are a proven idiot

[frogstomp]

Haha, today is a good day. EA bashing is always fun... and easy.

[marks01234]

I love some of these GB fans.

Moss isn't close to a top 5 WR right now. He wasn't even on top 15 level last year. Maybe he gets motivated and gets back there but I'm not sure. He isn't the youngest guy anymore and he might have a tenth of the work ethic of Torry Holt or Marvin Harrison.

Personally, I think this all a publicly stunt so that GB management can tell the fans "We tried to get Brett some help." while they continue to rebuild there franchise. It's obvious that they aren't anywhere near another Super Bowl berth and Moss isn't going to help that.

If the trade does go down, I have to think Rodgers is either garbage or GB management is just plain terrible.

[eacantdraft]

I love some of these GB fans.

Moss isn't close to a top 5 WR right now. He wasn't even on top 15 level last year. Maybe he gets motivated and gets back there but I'm not sure. He isn't the youngest guy anymore and he might have a tenth of the work ethic of Torry Holt or Marvin Harrison.

Personally, I think this all a publicly stunt so that GB management can tell the fans "We tried to get Brett some help." while they continue to rebuild there franchise. It's obvious that they aren't anywhere near another Super Bowl berth and Moss isn't going to help that.

If the trade does go down, I have to think Rodgers is either garbage or GB management is just plain terrible.

Most Green Bay fans are the most knowledgable around. That is why 65% of Green Bay fans polled don't want him here. Many of these guys here clamoring for the Randy Moss trade aren't even Green Bay fans. They are either Raider fans who hope Green Bay is stupid enough to give up more than a mid round draft pick for Moss or they are Randy Moss fangirls.

[Stash]

As A Raider fan I love the fact that we are getting rid of Moss and Anderson, they both sucked big time. I like the Rodgers acquisition because we need a QB and it lessens the chance that we draft one. I don't know why the hell GB would bother throwing in an almost worthless 7th rounder, especially if its next years. If I were the Raiders I would be trying to get more than a 7th out of this.

[Vince Lombardi]

I love some of these GB fans.

Moss isn't close to a top 5 WR right now. He wasn't even on top 15 level last year. Maybe he gets motivated and gets back there but I'm not sure. He isn't the youngest guy anymore and he might have a tenth of the work ethic of Torry Holt or Marvin Harrison.

Personally, I think this all a publicly stunt so that GB management can tell the fans "We tried to get Brett some help." while they continue to rebuild there franchise. It's obvious that they aren't anywhere near another Super Bowl berth and Moss isn't going to help that.

If the trade does go down, I have to think Rodgers is either garbage or GB management is just plain terrible.

I'm sorry dude but this whole post is garbage.

1. I don't know where any of us has said that Moss is a top 5 WR, and if someone has I can assure you that they're in the minority. That said, he played in the abyss the last few seasons before which he certainly was a top 5 WR.

2. A publicity stunt to save face with the GB fans? Do you realize how stupid that is seeing that the majority of GB fans despise Moss and don't approve of this trade?

3. None of us (except for a couple of our homers, and hey, every team has 'em) has predicted that GB will go to the Super Bowl next year. But regardless of that I'd like to know how you think adding Moss wouldn't improve our offense?

4. GB management has done a great job at rebuilding this team so far as anybody who understands football is well aware. There's still alot of work to be done but we're moving in the right direction.

[Komp]

I thought this might be true until I saw that Courtenay Anderson was involved...no way a team actually wants the "Dropsy Twins of 2006"....

If it did happen this would be great. I'd rather have a 2nd/3rd rd pick than get Rodgers, but whatever. We end up with CJ and that is all I need to sleep well at night. Taking a QB #1 in the draft scares me.

[neko4]

I love some of these GB fans.

Moss isn't close to a top 5 WR right now. He wasn't even on top 15 level last year. Maybe he gets motivated and gets back there but I'm not sure. He isn't the youngest guy anymore and he might have a tenth of the work ethic of Torry Holt or Marvin Harrison.

Personally, I think this all a publicly stunt so that GB management can tell the fans "We tried to get Brett some help." while they continue to rebuild there franchise. It's obvious that they aren't anywhere near another Super Bowl berth and Moss isn't going to help that.

If the trade does go down, I have to think Rodgers is either garbage or GB management is just plain terrible.

I'll build on what Vince said. We dont think Moss is a top 5, maybe top 15, but the only reason he didnt look the part last was because oh I dont know... Andrew Walter was QB w/ no o-line and no RB!! All we need Moss to do is be a deep threat.

And apparently you are just like everybody else who thinks we played beyond our true potential. How can anybody say that? Sure we have a harder schedule this year but we're a young growing team, give us a TE, HB and S and we havea chance at being dominate

[Iamcanadian]

How much better can it get for the Raiders right now. They have the first overall pick of the draft and now they are making one of tghe best trades ive seen. Theyre getting rid of Moss which they are thrilled about and bringing in a young qb who was drafted first round, almost first overall. Now the Raiders willhave their qb and can take Calvin. The Packers are screwing their franchise giving away farves succedor and bringing in a guy who give 75% at best. The Raiders must be commended and the packers fans must be sick.

The Packers have had 2 years working with Rodgers to see how he is developing. If they are considering trading him, it is very unlikely that they think he will ever amount to anything. Not one Tedford QB has ever had real success in the NFL, that is why so many franchises passed on Rodgers in the 1st place. I think Oakland woud have to be nuts to take Rodgers and pass on Russell, it would doom that franchise for at least a decade. Green Bay is just looking for someone to take Rodgers off their hands while getting Moss for practically nothing.

[PTPaQ]

Any football fan with a clue knows Moss is still one of the most dangerous receivers in the game, and if you put in a competent offense he is a top knotch receiver without a doubt.

No he is not the youngest, but WR's are able to produce into the 30's just fine.

Torry Holt - 30 (Has had only 1 season with less then 1000 yards, his rookie year)
Hines Ward - 31 (975 yards the past 2 seasons)
Driver - 32 (Pro Bowler)
Terrell Owens - 33 (Arguably the most dominate receiver in the game)
Marvin Harrison - 34 ('Nuff said)
Joe Horn - 35 (Had 1400 yards in 05, at age 33)

The list goes on...Laveranues Coles - 29, Plaxico Burress - 29, Terry Glen - 32, Muhsin Muhammad - 33, Isaac Bruce - 34, Joey Galloway - 35, etc.

Moss JUST turned 30 last month.

Age is not an issue.

With that being said, It's starting to look as if this trade will not go down, and was not really as close to going down as it seemed.

IF it does happen however, the Raiders are not in a position to get even value for Moss, no way they come away with a 2nd, I doubt they get a 3rd.

They would be lucky to come away with Rodgers (though I highly doubt that) or the Packers 4th, and a player like KGB, or Ferguson.

[geaux tigers]

i dont think the raiders are that foolish. if aaron rodgers was any good, the packers would keep him for themselves with favre retiring soon.

[Iamcanadian]

i dont think the raiders are that foolish. if aaron rodgers was any good, the packers would keep him for themselves with favre retiring soon.

Exactly!! I'd do it if I'm GB, I don't like it if I'm Oakland.

[eacantdraft]

i dont think the raiders are that foolish. if aaron rodgers was any good, the packers would keep him for themselves with favre retiring soon.

Raidah's foolishness is what got them where they are today with a 2-14 record and the first pick in the draft.

[eacantdraft]

Any football fan with a clue knows Moss is still one of the most dangerous receivers in the game, and if you put in a competent offense he is a top knotch receiver without a doubt.

No he is not the youngest, but WR's are able to produce into the 30's just fine.

Torry Holt - 30 (Has had only 1 season with less then 1000 yards, his rookie year)
Hines Ward - 31 (975 yards the past 2 seasons)
Driver - 32 (Pro Bowler)
Terrell Owens - 33 (Arguably the most dominate receiver in the game)
Marvin Harrison - 34 ('Nuff said)
Joe Horn - 35 (Had 1400 yards in 05, at age 33)

The list goes on...Laveranues Coles - 29, Plaxico Burress - 29, Terry Glen - 32, Muhsin Muhammad - 33, Isaac Bruce - 34, Joey Galloway - 35, etc.

Moss JUST turned 30 last month.

Age is not an issue.

With that being said, It's starting to look as if this trade will not go down, and was not really as close to going down as it seemed.

IF it does happen however, the Raiders are not in a position to get even value for Moss, no way they come away with a 2nd, I doubt they get a 3rd.

They would be lucky to come away with Rodgers (though I highly doubt that) or the Packers 4th, and a player like KGB, or Ferguson.

One key difference, those guys have produced. Moss hasn't produced for 3 consecutive seasons now.

[Packman1957]

I think all of this arguing about the value of the trade is just dumb, instead of sitting here and trying to figure out who got the better of the trade, I think the best thing to do is to wait till 07 (that is if this deal officially gets done). I know speculation might be the only things football fans really have to do at this point, but I think the best thing to do is just wait it out. Time will tell who got the better of the trade. Do I think that Rodgers is a bust? Certainly Not! Do I think Randy Moss can be good again? Certainly! Do I think the Packers are getting better value on this trade? I don't know! But what I do know is that if TT trades Rodgers for Moss than obviously he must think that Rodgers wasn't the guy he expected him to be. I really doubt we make the trade unless TT truly feels that Rodgers is not our future. Maybe he will succeed and maybe he just needs more time to develop, but who knows, I have barely seen him on the field so its hard to judge who is getting the better value of this trade. I also am sick of hearing things like Rodgers was taken in the 1st round and was almost the 1st pick of the draft so the Packers must be getting bad value. I definitely don't think that is the case. I think TT knows the value of Moss and how much he has to give up to get him, and if he trades Rodgers he obviously feels that Rodgers is not of the same value he was a couple of years ago, TT will not make this trade unless he absolutely 100% feels like he is getting good value here. That I do know, he is that type of guy, where he tries to get good value. Now with that said my honest opinion is that I think this trade could work out good for both teams.

[P-L]

One key difference, those guys have produced. Moss hasn't produced for 3 consecutive seasons now.
He had almost 800 yards and 13 TD in 2004 and had 1000 yards and 8 TD in 2005. While those aren't elite numbers, they qualify as producing.

[Vince Lombardi]

One key difference, those guys have produced. Moss hasn't produced for 3 consecutive seasons now.

These are his averages over those 3 years where "he hasn't produced":

50-REC/775-YDS/15.2-AVG/8-TD per year

Obviously these numbers don't live up to his lofty ones earlier in his career, but to say that he hasn't produced is just uninformed. Anyone can figure out that averaging only 50 catches a year is the big problem and that that stems from injuries and awful QB play over 2 of those years. Obviously Moss isn't helping matters by sitting around pouting and giving up on plays, but that doesn't mean he doesn't still have a ton of talent.

[PTPaQ]

One key difference, those guys have produced. Moss hasn't produced for 3 consecutive seasons now.

Since two people have already shot down your statement with numbers, I'll just go ahead and add what has already been "added" twenty million times, which is the fact that Moss played in what was/is one of the most inept offenses the league has seen the past couple of years, a horrible O-line, a horrible QB situation, and no run game.

[eacantdraft]

Since two people have already shot down your statement with numbers, I'll just go ahead and add what has already been "added" twenty million times, which is the fact that Moss played in what was/is one of the most inept offenses the league has seen the past couple of years, a horrible O-line, a horrible QB situation, and no run game.

And for the 20,000,001st time, I asked how Andre Johnson was able to be so productive with a similar team?
And how many catches did Randy Moss give up on himself? And why should a QB throw Randy Moss's way if he keeps giving up routes? Especially with Porter on the other side.

I can't believe so many people defending a player who has quit not just on one team, but two.

[bernbabybern820]

And for the 20,000,001st time, I asked how Andre Johnson was able to be so productive with a similar team?
And how many catches did Randy Moss give up on himself? And why should a QB throw Randy Moss's way if he keeps giving up routes? Especially with Porter on the other side.

I can't believe so many people defending a player who has quit not just on one team, but two.

this past year:

Carr>Brooks and Walter at this point of his career
Houston's running game>Raiders running game
Houston's oline>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Raiders o-line

[neko4]

And for the 20,000,001st time, I asked how Andre Johnson was able to be so productive with a similar team?
And how many catches did Randy Moss give up on himself? And why should a QB throw Randy Moss's way if he keeps giving up routes? Especially with Porter on the other side.

I can't believe so many people defending a player who has quit not just on one team, but two.
As bernbb820 said.
Carr>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Collins+Walter+Brooks
Easy to understand as that. Plus Carr did have a better running game.

GB is only looking for a deep threat. Jennings and Driver arent great deep threats, but as you may recall in 04 GB had Javon Walker and Favre threw for 4000 and 30 tds

[Vince Lombardi]

And for the 20,000,001st time, I asked how Andre Johnson was able to be so productive with a similar team?
And how many catches did Randy Moss give up on himself? And why should a QB throw Randy Moss's way if he keeps giving up routes? Especially with Porter on the other side.

The same Jerry Porter who spent all of last season on the sideline because he was in Al Davis' doghouse? :rolleyes:

[slightlyaraiderfan]

The same Jerry Porter who spent all of last season on the sideline because he was in Al Davis' doghouse? :rolleyes:
Actually, it was Art Shell's doghouse ;)...either way, Porter only played a few snaps.

[Vince Lombardi]

Actually, it was Art Shell's doghouse ;)...either way, Porter only played a few snaps.

my bad, I knew he pissed someone off. lol

[someone447]

As a Packer fan, I WOULD LOVE THIS TRADE!!! Will they win the Super Bowl this year? No, but with Moss they are a definite playoff team. Maybe Favre told the front office he is staying for 2 more years. If that is the case, Rodgers won't see playing time on his rookie contract, and it doesn't matter his potential. He would bolt as soon as he becomes a free agent.

In an interview last year, he was asked what would happen if Favre returned another year. He said that he can play in this league and would want a chance to prove it. Maybe Rodgers asked for a trade. From everything I have heard, they like Rodgers as a person, I don't know how they like him as a player. If they can trade him and improve their team drastically for 2 years and keep everyone happy, wouldn't that be a good trade?

Raiders:Get rid of a malcontent and get a QB.
Packers: Get a deep threat for Favre's last 2 years, something that he desperately wants.
Rodgers: Gets a chance to play before his rookie contract.
Moss: Get out of the abyss known as Oakland.

Everyone wins.

[Xonraider]

If Ted Thompson honestly drafted Aaron Rodgers with no intention of ever playing him then he is the stupidest GM of all-time.


What about Matt Millen?

Anyways.. I´m not a fan of this trade.. but I´m not big on Russell either. I want Oakland to take Calvin, so if this trade will mean Calvin Johnson in silver and black, then I´d be OK with it.

[LonghornsLegend]

It makes sense for both sides.

I must say though, as it pertains to Ted Thompson, I would be shocked that he would ship out "his guy" and risk the long term stability of the franchise for a one, maybe two year shot at making some noise in the playoffs. They either really are not sold on Rogers (which is odd since they drafted him) or they are really feeling the pressure to do something for Lord Favre in his last season or two.

Either way, I wouldn't love shipping off your QB of the future, but it does make them a better team in the short run at a time when the Bears could potentially be vulnerable.

these were my thoughts, it makes all the sense in the world for oakland, none for green bay...if they want to make a serious run just throw out a 2nd or 3rd and call it a day, but what if moss doesnt help favre make a super bowl run, and rogers ends up being really great, then your back at square one with no qb, and this time will have to draft one alot later, vs going with the one projected top 10 first rd

[GB12]

He had almost 800 yards and 13 TD in 2004 and had 1000 yards and 8 TD in 2005. While those aren't elite numbers, they qualify as producing.

And he'd come to a team that already has a #1 in Driver. I'd take those numbes from a "#2 WR". Also with Driver to take pressure and defenders off his production should go up. Also we have a QB that can get him the ball. Favre to Moss down field is a great combo.

[marks01234]

You can knock 5 years off Torry Holt and Marvin Harrison's age because those guys take amazing care of their bodies. Pretty much the same with Hines Ward.

Moss is lazy. He's never in shape, he has almost no off season workout program. Lets not even bring up his "rumored" drug use.

[someone447]

doesnt he work out with cris carter every offseason? because cris carter was always one of the most in shape people while he was playing. I am sure that if he still works out with him, he would be the same way. Plus, I have never heard of him not coming to camp in shape. So he enjoys toking up every once in a while, I would bet that 50% of NFL players do.

[DHVF]

doesnt he work out with cris carter every offseason? because cris carter was always one of the most in shape people while he was playing. I am sure that if he still works out with him, he would be the same way. Plus, I have never heard of him not coming to camp in shape. So he enjoys toking up every once in a while, I would bet that 50% of NFL players do.

Yeah, I have never really heard anything about Moss coming in out of shape. Don't know what marks was talking about.

[P-L]

What about Matt Millen?

Anyways.. I´m not a fan of this trade.. but I´m not big on Russell either. I want Oakland to take Calvin, so if this trade will mean Calvin Johnson in silver and black, then I´d be OK with it.
Matt Millen at least drafts players with the intention of playing them...

[princefielder28]

Matt Millen at least drafts players with the intention of playing them...

Yeah, but he can only start so many wide receivers :)

[TitleTown088]

Can everyone stop talking about this now.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2803272

[Empire]

Can everyone stop talking about this now.. http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2803272

Why? That doesn't prove anything.

[eacantdraft]

Why? That doesn't prove anything.

The real world is not like Madden football. This trade is not going to happen. Rogers is not going anywhere and because senile Al, overestimates the worth of his players, Randy Moss is probably not be going anywhere unless he is cut.

Is that too hard to understand.

[Empire]

The real world is not like Madden football. This trade is not going to happen. Rogers is not going anywhere and because senile Al, overestimates the worth of his players, Randy Moss is probably not be going anywhere unless he is cut.

Is that too hard to understand.

Why isn't the trade not going to happen, because you don't like his character? Big deal. The whole world does not like think like you thankfully. It would be a sad place if the whole world did think like you filled with homosexual and immature insults every other word.

[eacantdraft]

Why isn't the trade not going to happen, because you don't like his character? Big deal. The whole world does not like think like you thankfully. It would be a sad place if the whole world did think like you filled with homosexual and immature insults every other word.


We told you why this trade isn't going to happen. We can't get it through your thick head. Lots of people don't like Moss's character, especially people of Green Bay.

But then again you know nothing about character since you were the one that defended Marcus Vick and his choice for "girlfriends".

[Empire]

We told you why this trade isn't going to happen. We can't get it through your thick head. Lots of people don't like Moss's character, especially people of Green Bay.

But then again you know nothing about character since you were the one that defended Marcus Vick and his choice for "girlfriends".

Number 1- No one has defended you period, so don't say we

Number 2- I said you're a freaking moron that doesn't know what the word pedophile means. I can bring up the thread again but I won't because it shows how freaking idiotic you are.

[frogstomp]

We told you why this trade isn't going to happen. We can't get it through your thick head. Lots of people don't like Moss's character, especially people of Green Bay.

But then again you know nothing about character since you were the one that defended Marcus Vick and his choice for "girlfriends".

You're resorting to past arguments to win current ones?

And the funny part is, you're resorting to past arguments you've *lost* to win current ones. Now THAT is stupidity at its finest.

[BroadwayJoe10]

i think CJ is a great kid and an absolutely unreal talent, however unproven in the NFL..and until he puts up 1300 yards and 17 tds in his rookie season im gonna continue to ignore how people (im not saying people in here) are disregarding randy moss as one of the greatest receiving talents in the last 10 years becuase hes been a pain in the ass the last few years...if i were a raiders fan id be dying to draft Rusell and add some life into the offense which will get moss back in the game

[Severe Punishment]

Maybe it's not the Packer fans who live in the past ...but their management...and from there it trickles down.

Moss isn't the same player he was in 03 or prior.
Plus he's scheduled to make 20 Million over the next 2 years...his prospects of being cut are as good as being traded.

[eacantdraft]

You're resorting to past arguments to win current ones?

And the funny part is, you're resorting to past arguments you've *lost* to win current ones. Now THAT is stupidity at its finest.

Lost what arguement. The facts are on my side. His stats are down and he is a cancer no matter where he goes. Your reasoning is: He's good because I think he is good between the sheets. Now that makes lots of sense.

[frogstomp]

Lost what arguement. The facts are on my side. His stats are down and he is a cancer no matter where he goes. Your reasoning is: He's good because I think he is good between the sheets. Now that makes lots of sense.

His stats are down because:

a) He has had injuries the past couple years.

b) He played on the worst offense in a loooong time last year.

c) Playing for said offense makes him not care.

He is still good because:

a) He still retains the same skill set that made him the most dangerous weapon in the NFL.

b) Aside from last year, he was leading the league in stats until he got injured.

c) You have no proof that he is a cancer. Just because some useless idiot (yourself) sits back and proclaims someone a cancer, does not really make him a cancer. Once again, Doug Gabriel wouldn't ask New England to trade for Moss if Moss was such a "cancer."

[eacantdraft]

His stats are down because:

a) He has had injuries the past couple years.

b) He played on the worst offense in a loooong time last year.

c) Playing for said offense makes him not care.

He is still good because:

a) He still retains the same skill set that made him the most dangerous weapon in the NFL.

b) Aside from last year, he was leading the league in stats until he got injured.

c) You have no proof that he is a cancer. Just because some useless idiot (yourself) sits back and proclaims someone a cancer, does not really make him a cancer. Once again, Doug Gabriel wouldn't ask New England to trade for Moss if Moss was such a "cancer."

A. He is far from the most dangerous "weapon" in the NFL anymore. He is not even the most danderous weapon on his team. Ron Curry had a better year.

B. And when Moss came back he was a shell of his former self.

C. How about asking Tyler Brayton what he thinks of Moss? He certainly has made his feeling known about Moss and Moss costing Oakland games. Doug Gabriel was a 3rd string WR at New England who was cut. What does he know? Bill Bellichuk knows more about team chemistry and that is why he won't have Moss in New England.

[eacantdraft]

Why? That doesn't prove anything.

Why would the GM say it if it's not true? It would only make him out to be a liar if they traded Rogers for Moss.

[someone447]

Why would the GM say it if it's not true? It would only make him out to be a liar if they traded Rogers for Moss.

Ok, I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt. But I can't anymore, you are the dumbest poster on this board. Have you ever heard the term "smokescreen?"

Not to mention, the extent of any of your arguments are, I'm right, your wrong.

[Vince Lombardi]

Why would the GM say it if it's not true? It would only make him out to be a liar if they traded Rogers for Moss.

TT learned from Ron Wolf to always keep his plans close to his vest. It would be pretty idiotic if a GM ran around telling everyone what he plans to do. :rolleyes:

Basically by your logic you are saying that you believe everything that you hear.

[frogstomp]

A. He is far from the most dangerous "weapon" in the NFL anymore. He is not even the most danderous weapon on his team. Ron Curry had a better year.

B. And when Moss came back he was a shell of his former self.

C. How about asking Tyler Brayton what he thinks of Moss? He certainly has made his feeling known about Moss and Moss costing Oakland games. Doug Gabriel was a 3rd string WR at New England who was cut. What does he know? Bill Bellichuk knows more about team chemistry and that is why he won't have Moss in New England.

My god. Seriously? Ron Curry still has something to prove. He wants to play well and get more money. Moss has nothing to prove, he can take a year off, and intelligent football people know he still can put up big numbers. Curry *also* was not injured for a large part of the year. 2+2=....?

Moss was on an offense that a) didn't throw to him deep, and b) didn't really do anything. What the hell did you expect, him to go out there, give 110%, and get 1600 yards on that offense?

What the hell does Tyler Brayton know? I'd take someone that was a WR (like Moss), spent time with Moss, and felt like Moss was a good mentor, over some random guy who has 6 sacks through 4 years at DE.

You are such a ******* idiot. I'm not even wasting my time responding to your posts anymore, because there is *no way* anyone is as stupid as you are making yourself seem. You must be trying to simply waste my time, and I'm not going to let you.

[TitleTown088]

Maybe it's not the Packer fans who live in the past ...but their management...and from there it trickles down.

Moss isn't the same player he was in 03 or prior.
Plus he's scheduled to make 20 Million over the next 2 years...his prospects of being cut are as good as being traded.

The team with the most starting Rookies in the NFL and one of the youngest teams in the NFL is " living in the past"? Good point...

[eacantdraft]

My god. Seriously? Ron Curry still has something to prove. He wants to play well and get more money. Moss has nothing to prove, he can take a year off, and intelligent football people know he still can put up big numbers. Curry *also* was not injured for a large part of the year. 2+2=....?

Moss was on an offense that a) didn't throw to him deep, and b) didn't really do anything. What the hell did you expect, him to go out there, give 110%, and get 1600 yards on that offense?

What the hell does Tyler Brayton know? I'd take someone that was a WR (like Moss), spent time with Moss, and felt like Moss was a good mentor, over some random guy who has 6 sacks through 4 years at DE.

You are such a ******* idiot. I'm not even wasting my time responding to your posts anymore, because there is *no way* anyone is as stupid as you are making yourself seem. You must be trying to simply waste my time, and I'm not going to let you.

Now there is a player I want on my football team. A player that takes the year off. Moss has alot to prove that he is not a has been and is not a cancer in a locker room. That is one of the main reason why the Raiders are having trouble trading him. Plus senile Al's asking price is way too high.

Moss doesn't need to get 1,600 yards, I just would want him to give 100%. I have no use for players who coast.

I take the word over a Raiders teammate of Moss who gives a 100% versus a 4th WR who look like a gangbanger.

Not is more idiotic than a delusional fangirl who can't accept the cold hard truths about their crush.

[eacantdraft]

Another article where some insiders say the Moss/Rogers trade is a joke.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=578111

[Empire]

Now there is a player I want on my football team. A player that takes the year off. Moss has alot to prove that he is not a has been and is not a cancer in a locker room. That is one of the main reason why the Raiders are having trouble trading him. Plus senile Al's asking price is way too high.

Moss doesn't need to get 1,600 yards, I just would want him to give 100%. I have no use for players who coast.

I take the word over a Raiders teammate of Moss who gives a 100% versus a 4th WR who look like a gangbanger.

Not is more idiotic than a delusional fangirl who can't accept the cold hard truths about their crush.

You act as if you'd ever be able to run a football team. Sorry but you have to at least have graduated nursery school before you are allowed to run a football team. So go back to your Gameboy, play Madden on rookie, and go ahead and think you have the brains to run a football team.

[someone447]

Another article where some insiders say the Moss/Rogers trade is a joke.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=578111

Those are the same quotes that have been being used for weeks. Truth is, no one knows what is going to happen. But where there is smoke, there is fire.

[Sveen]

NFL Network's Adam Schefter reports league insiders are convinced that Randy Moss and Oakland are a "divorce waiting to happen."
There's no rush for a deal to get done before the draft. The Raiders may as well shop around to see who'll give them the highest or most picks.

Source: http://www.rotoworld.com