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kwilk103
03-23-2010, 11:27 PM
can be playing ability/intangibles

like limited upside, questionable character, etc.

just wondering what you guys think

always think about it myself

imo, bad workout is the worst

phlysac
03-23-2010, 11:33 PM
"Uncoachable"

akvikefan89
03-23-2010, 11:33 PM
"Poor work ethic"

TACKLE
03-23-2010, 11:43 PM
Although high motor/great intangibles is obviously a positive, for whatever reason, it often has a negative connotation. Not in all cases, but when I hear those together it often means productive college player but not athletic enough for the next level.

CC.SD
03-24-2010, 12:35 AM
***** his sister

SKim172
03-24-2010, 12:44 AM
George police withdraw DNA request.

akvikefan89
03-24-2010, 12:50 AM
George police

http://family.beloblog.com/archives/NG_09CuriousGeorge.JPG

vidae
03-24-2010, 12:53 AM
***** his sister

You are a funny ************ man.

villagewarrior
03-24-2010, 02:15 AM
I think non-stop motor is probably the best label for any prospect, while lazy or takes plays off is the worst.

wogitalia
03-24-2010, 03:42 AM
***** his sister

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to CC.SD again.

Yep... nods head.

Elite athlete, great timed/game speed, smart, excellent intangibles, immediate impact and college performance are all pretty much positives.

CashmoneyDrew
03-24-2010, 03:48 AM
Lunch pale/blue-collar worker

descendency
03-24-2010, 03:48 AM
Undersized. That one kills great players.

If Brandon Graham was 6'5", 280 lbs, with 38 inch arms, he'd be the #1 pick. Guaranteed.

Conversely, lots of teams will take chances on players who have "prototypical" size (or better than that). Jason Pierre-Paul, for example. (I'm not listing Bruce Campbell, because Al Davis is insane)

edit: Racial stereotypes too, as much as we hate to admit it.

niel89
03-24-2010, 05:07 AM
Some that I like:

Good
-Very tough, aggressive and competitive
-Leader
-Instinctive

Bad
-Durability is a major concern
-Just an average burst and isn't particularly explosive
-Questionable desire
-Uncoachable (the worst)

MikeTheDudeV2
03-24-2010, 05:35 AM
Positive:
Natural ballhawk
Fluid Hips

Negative:
Stiff

FUNBUNCHER
03-24-2010, 05:43 AM
"Recovering crack addict."

Best: high motor guy, instinctive, violent playing style.

GoRavens
03-24-2010, 05:51 AM
Nobody wants to be called a sissyboy

Addict
03-24-2010, 06:26 AM
system QB is a pretty bad one.

Sister Nailer is pretty much a death sentence for your draft stock.

jnew76
03-24-2010, 06:45 AM
Heavy Legged Waist Bender is an obvious one not yet mentioned.

I also cringe when I hear "not instinctive" or "does not diagnose defenses/offenses well"

OaklandRaider56
03-24-2010, 08:17 AM
When a quarterback's called a "game manager."

the dude
03-24-2010, 08:19 AM
"doesn't like contact" or "soft" is the worst for me. If you dont like contact, football is the wrong sport for you

zachsaints52
03-24-2010, 08:50 AM
Straight as a rainbow.

JFLO
03-24-2010, 08:58 AM
Missing a Leg

TheMorningZoo
03-24-2010, 10:37 AM
By no means is it worse than a lot of things mentioned earlier, but being a "tweener" doesn't really help your cause. Tweener is essentially the opposite of versatility, meaning someone may be too small to be a 4-3 DE, and not athletic/fit the mold of a 3-4 olb, so they yet to figure where to place them. Mitch King from last year reminds me of a tweener-too small to play DT, not fast/explosive enough for DE. I still liked him as a prospect though.

bitonti
03-24-2010, 11:27 AM
yep bad workout or

"questionable athleticism" is a killer

a guy can be an axe murderer, if he runs a good 40 he has a chance

a good guy with no skills wont even get a chance.

descendency
03-24-2010, 12:00 PM
By no means is it worse than a lot of things mentioned earlier, but being a "tweener" doesn't really help your cause. Tweener is essentially the opposite of versatility, meaning someone may be too small to be a 4-3 DE, and not athletic/fit the mold of a 3-4 olb, so they yet to figure where to place them. Mitch King from last year reminds me of a tweener-too small to play DT, not fast/explosive enough for DE. I still liked him as a prospect though.

Tweener also implies play-maker though, so someone will take a chance on you.

Because a tweener who doesn't make plays is "undraftable".

SKim172
03-24-2010, 12:52 PM
http://family.beloblog.com/archives/NG_09CuriousGeorge.JPG
Yeah, the monkey police. You don't hear much about them, but they're out there. :)

I'd say "overachiever" and "underachiever" both suck to have on your draft report. But underachievers get drafted higher, because it implies they've got some amazing untapped potential that teams will bite on. Overachievers go to free agency and get cut in training camp, because no one believes in them.

There's a life lesson for you. Don't try hard and exceed your abilities, kids. Instead, act like you could do more, but just don't wanna.

mrh61988
03-24-2010, 01:22 PM
Best: Game Changer
Worst: Uncoachable

prock
03-24-2010, 02:05 PM
Worst: Lazy, poor work ethic, uncoachable, convicted felon, system quarterback
Best: high motor, hard worker, blue-collar, tough

LookItsAlDavis
03-24-2010, 02:44 PM
I think the worst for QB's actually seems to be "May be able to develop in a West Coast offense" How often do those guys turn into anything?

Scotty D
03-24-2010, 03:20 PM
I think a better question. Are character concerns over analyzed?

diesel
03-24-2010, 07:09 PM
Barbie Carpenter.

Malaka
03-25-2010, 07:52 AM
Barbie Carpenter.

Actually being compared to him is great. See Brian Cushing.

Addict
03-25-2010, 08:21 AM
I think a better question. Are character concerns over analyzed?

http://landoftheleaf.com/files/2009/05/ryanleaf1.jpg
He don't know

LizardState
03-25-2010, 11:15 AM
Heavy Legged Waist Bender is an obvious one not yet mentioned.

Bad work ethic
Not natural athleticism
System QB
Bad intangibles

Not that any of those are measurable or that anyone no matter how experienced a scout or well-versed in the modern NFL they are knows wth those mean. Ask 20 different people & get 20 different definitions.

Addict
03-25-2010, 11:17 AM
motor runs hot and cold is not a good sign to me.

killxswitch
03-25-2010, 11:38 AM
"Better athlete than he is a football player" is a bad one.

Any player with solid college production coupled with an aggressive playing style and leadership qualities makes him seem like a can't miss pick. I actually like reading "Can get overly aggressive at times" because it means the guy has the right mentality and just needs a little more coaching and maturing.

CLong4Heisman
03-25-2010, 04:37 PM
#1 on Oaklands draft board

Addict
03-25-2010, 04:41 PM
may not have a position was bad, but these days it's seen as a plus

Brothgar
03-25-2010, 04:42 PM
Worst is easily "slow even for his position."

Best is strong with long arms.

Addict
03-25-2010, 04:45 PM
student of the game is excellent. Non-stop motor is always good.

Not as good as press clippings --> not good.

Timbathia
03-25-2010, 06:03 PM
***** his sister

It doesnt seem to be that bad a label, I mean, how many SEC players get drafted every year?

tjsunstein
03-25-2010, 06:14 PM
Workout Warrior

Addict
03-25-2010, 06:19 PM
It doesnt seem to be that bad a label, I mean, how many SEC players get drafted every year?

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LickaMahfeetz
03-26-2010, 06:59 AM
A couple off the top of my head not listed:

Good: Film rat. Ice water in veins.

Bad: RT only. Too manufactured.

wicket
03-26-2010, 09:00 AM
A couple off the top of my head not listed:

Good: Film rat. Ice water in veins.

Bad: RT only. Too manufactured.

Good one,

others I can think off,
funky release,
looks like tarzan, plays like jane